Jill Stein Raises $4.8M Towards Vote Recount

CNN reports:

Jill Stein’s bid to seek a vote recount in three key Rust Belt states is gaining steam as pressure builds among liberals to challenge the presidential election results. The Stein campaign said it needed to raise over $2 million by Friday to pay for recounts — a goal it quickly met. The fundraising goal was then upped to $4.5 million, which it also met. The current goal is $7 million.

Stein, the Green Party nominee, and others are seeking an audit and recount of the November 8 voting results in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, following reports that voting security experts alerted Hillary Clinton’s campaign to the possibility of hacks in key counties in those states. “Over the last 48-72 hours, reports have come in from experts, cyber experts, who are reporting to us some very troubling news about the possibility of security breaches in voting results across this country,” Stein campaign manager David Cobb said in a video posted to Stein’s Facebook page Wednesday afternoon.

It’s an ironic twist from just a month ago, when Trump was cautioning that the election results would be “rigged” and that he may not accept the outcome. Stein, who ran as an independent, third-party candidate in 2012 and 2016, does not stand to benefit personally from the proposed recounts — she received only 1.1% of the vote in Wisconsin and less than 1% in Pennsylvania. She launched her effort after computer scientists reportedly told Clinton campaign officials that the election may have indeed been rigged — in Trump’s favor.

  • Bill Post

    Maybe Jill is trying to atone for helping get Trump elected or just another ruse to stay relevant.

    • S1AMER

      You’re missing the point: This could show Trump didn’t win one or another of these states, or won by smaller margins, thereby increasing Clinton’s lead in the popular vote.

      Stein and the Greens would like to discredit everything about the American electoral system, granted — but it’s America that could gain if Trump’s “victory” is any any further way diminished.

    • CanuckDon

      It could be that she’s just as much terrified of a Trump regime as the rest of us. She appeared to have this major hate-on for Clinton during the election but perhaps it’s because she figured Hillary was the surefire winner….but with this upsetting outcome, she appears to be fighting on the side of justice.

    • GayOldLady

      Don’t give her too much credit! She’s trying to get to the magical 5% in the nationwide vote which would give the Green Party Federal Dollars during the next election cycle. She won’t come anywhere close. And most of those recount dollars likely came from Hillary supporters.

      • David Milley

        Yep, me among them. I figure the odds are about the same as the lottery.

        • Silver Badger

          Except of course, the payoff will be much greater than a simple lottery win.

      • JT

        She wants the money and the contributor information.

        • GayOldLady

          You’re right. She knows that it isn’t Green Party Members sending those dollars, it is Hillary Clinton Dems. I personally don’t think there’s a chance in hell of this making a difference, but either way she has just added a lot of names to the Green Party database and maybe increased her vote percentage by a point.

          • Silver Badger

            Sometimes one does the right thing simply because it’s the right thing to do.

    • David Milley

      (chuckle) Whether we like Stein or not (I don’t), if this works, she _will_ be relevant. It may be a long shot, but it’s zero-risk for Stein herself, and a potentially huge political payoff for her — and, for the country.

      It’s like she’s trying to vaccinate us against Trump. πŸ˜‰

    • Bill_Perdue

      Trump and the Clintons have the same politics, the difference is that the Clintons are accomplished liars and Trump is an accomplished boss/bully.

      They agree on wars of aggression, busting unions and both have long records of racism and homophobia.

      No one should apologize for voting against the Democrats or Republicans.

  • Ross
  • Butch

    Stein raises $4 million. Fool, money, what was that saying?

  • S1AMER

    Beware of discrediting stories already starting to appear in the national press, set up t osabotage this.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I keep wanting to tell the MSM that a peaceful transition to a theocratic fascism isn’t worth the “peace.” Manners don’t mean shit to the GOP and they need to stop meaning anything to the Dems.

  • SoCalGal20

    I’m no fan of Jill Stein but kudos for doing something to get the recounts going. Even if it doesn’t change the outcome it needs to be done, whether the Democratic Party leadership wants it done or not (and they don’t).

    • another_steve

      I’ve been busy with turkey and stuffing and stuff and haven’t been keeping up on this story.

      Just why is Stein doing this?

      What’s in it for her?

      • Silver Badger

        Being a good American? Taking action when no one else could? Don’t get me wrong, I am not particularly a Stein fan, but demanding a recount had to be done and Hillary couldn’t do it.

        • another_steve

          Given the vomit she spewed during the campaign, I don’t consider her a good or honorable person.

          She has some ulterior motive.

          I just don’t know what it is.

          • MonochromeMouse

            She is probably worried about her legacy, I think stein truly believed the democrats would all support her and now that she realizes she inadvertently campaigned for Trump she is worried that she will be remembered as a Nazi sympathizer.

          • She said she was I took her at her word.

          • fuow

            I suspect that’s part of it. The backlash against Nader by those of us Democrats who can read and add past 10 hasn’t helped the greens.

          • Grumpy Old Man

            I still can’t stand to hear his voice; he appears on Pacifica Network and I have to turn him off.

          • dr morbius

            I have news for you: Nader voters would not have voted for Gore, as much as you like to fantasize endlessly about it.

          • Grumpy Old Man

            Where did I suggest that? Does anything come out of your mouth that refers to the real world? Eat shit and die, twit. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/38a75e9ef84a32f114fb25d7bac6a86b23bb71b2a60ec980c025c1b7ccc5e7d7.gif

          • Grumpy Old Man

            I apologize for wishing harm – I edited my previous reply to remove the phrase.

            Twit.

          • Gene

            bingo

          • dr morbius

            Luckily you won’t be remembered, even as a clown.

          • RLK2

            Money grab. She is a grifter.

          • Gerry Fisher

            PR. People hadn’t heard of her much before this. This could raise her profile.

      • Money.

        • Jamie_Johnson

          On her website (where she’s collecting the donations), it plainly states that any excess funds will go towards voting integrity projects.

          • I believe that like i believe cellphones and wifi cause brain tumors.

      • Michael R

        Is it something like Brexit remorse ?

      • MonochromeMouse

        Fascists not being allowed to lead, Neo-Nazi cabinet appointments being revoked.

      • SoCalGal20

        Maybe she’s hoping to grow the Green Party base once it’s all over. I don’t know. All I do know is the recounts should be done so in this one thing I support her efforts.

        • Grumpy Old Man

          And if there is money left over for the Green Party, that is okay too (not).

      • lymis

        I’m prepared to believe that she thinks that a Trump presidency would be a disaster, both for the country and for any shot at future third parties.

        Still, it’s numerically possible that recounting the votes could reduce the Trump votes sufficiently that the Green Party rises to the point where it qualifies for federal money next election.

        And if the recount is valid, and doing so does that, then good for her. I don’t support her or her party, but if she was fraudulently denied a percentage that would earn her those numbers, fine.

    • WebSlinger

      without election integrity, we have no democracy.

      • perversatile

        At what price justice? In the United States justice is only for the wealthy, so here’s to being temporarily and collectively wealthy,

    • Andy McFerrin

      Whatever other problems I have with Stein as a candidate (spoiler: more than a few), she was at Standing Rock with the protestors. That’s more than enough to put her in my ‘decent human being’ column until further notice.

  • Dan

    Recount Florida. You just know it was a fucking mess.

    • Lamb Urgini

      That was the shock the night of the results ,
      and from there everything seemed wrong .

    • Silver Badger

      Fortunately, most of Florida will soon be underwater. (My apologies to the JMG Florida residents.)

      • Meh, let the retiring snow birds drown or get washed back up north.

        • Silver Badger

          Arizona is nice.

          • Nychta

            This time of year is delightful here in Phoenix. Celebrated TG yesterday outdoors on a friend’s patio, overlooking his lush garden of eggplant, radishes, beets and spinach. However, there’s also Jun-Sep hell to contend with if you’re not a snowbird. Table discussion included the dread we all feel when May arrives. It’s no accident we celebrate Pride in April and the State Fair in October.

          • Strepsi
      • cleos_mom

        By that time I assume the delicate phrase “high tides” will be a painful joke.

  • bkmn

    Just guessing that most of that money came from people that identify as Democrats.

    • SoCalGal20

      Since the Democratic Party leadership is sitting on their ass about this, probably so.

      • Silver Badger

        Bill, is that you? It certainly sounds like a Perdue post. Please see my post above, or below depending on how you read these posts. Hillary could not request a recount without major trumpanzie conflict.

        • SoCalGal20

          LMAO that you think I’m He Who Shall Not Be Named.

          • Silver Badger

            My post edited to indicate which part was sarcasm.

          • SoCalGal20

            Ah, I missed your edit. πŸ˜‰

  • Silver Badger

    Thank you Jill Stein. Hillary could not request a recount without a major conflict with the trumpanzies. Ms. Stein could. One wonders if perhaps there were a few late night phone calls. Having Ms. Stein request the recount is a stroke of genius.

    • petewestcentral

      She was quoted as having said that she would call for a recount but lacked money. Zip, there’s the money.

      • Silver Badger

        Zip, there’s Jill Stein to take the heat!

  • Treant

    I doubt it’ll flip the results in the end run (Clinton would need all three states), but even finding problems in one state that can be publicly bandied about will weaken Trump’s already very weak mandate.

    I’ll take it.

    • Ross

      In WI, Trump was ahead by a mere 27,000 votes.

      In MI, just 11,000.

      In PA, 68,000 votes.

      I can easily envision a recount favoring Hillary in WI and MI. I am crossing my fingers (and toes) for PA, too.

      • Treant

        If you can manage to cross legs with another guy… All three are possible, but PA is unlikely.

        • Ross

          The entire election campaign has been one unlikely event after another.

          Why stop now?

          • Librarykid

            “I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”

  • aar9n

    Just some laughter fodder for conservatives. 538 already debunked this.

    • SoCalGal20

      538 debunked a specific claim in WI, not all voting irregularities.

  • Bj Lincoln

    This is a good thing. While I hate to bad mouth my own party, I hope the Dems are donating to the cause at least. We can’t expect Hillary to to push because of the backlash.

    • WebSlinger

      Agreed…Hillary can do and say NOTHING about this…

      • Ross

        I agree as well.

    • Nychta

      I agree, but what a double standard concerning backlash! If tables were turned, Trump would be expected to bluster, protest, hurl lawsuits and thunderbolts. Even with so much that smells about the election (including the Comey letter), Democrats are on the defensive if they question the results.

      • Philly Mike

        But republicans are delicate and so easily offended by coffe cups, seasonal greetings, TV shows, clothes, and basically life itself.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        Exactly. Sadly, the American populace loves red meat. Red, bloody, dripping, oozy meat. And the Republicans are masters for throwing it to them. Get’s them riled up. On this one, the Dems could take a page from Stein. She’s showing guts and telling the Repubs to eat shit– that’s how the populace will read it. And she’s getting headlines for it.

    • Ross

      The Hillary campaign sent out an email in California asking people to donate to the Green Party recount.

      So, they are not wholly just standing by.

    • The_Wretched

      Yes we can expect Clinton and the dems to fight for electoral integrity. What backlash?

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      Is this a good cause? I think its drawing donations away from Foster Campbell’s runoff election. Recount will probably not change the fact that Donald Trump is our next president while Foster Campbells campaign means winning another seat in the Senate.

      http://www.fostercampbell2016.com/donate/

  • Do Something Nice

    It’s also ironic how many people who HATE Jill Stein and wrote some pretty vile things, many untrue, are now supporting her.

    I didn’t vote for her, and yes, she did say some nutty things. But you all acted like she killed Cher or something.

    And yes, I’m glad that somebody is taking on this task. Thank you Jill.

    • fuow

      As one of her harshest critics, I’m more than happy to see her doing something right. Were Trump to do something right, I’d praise that, too.

    • lymis

      I don’t see that as ironic. Unless one is partisan purely for partisanships’s sake, you can loathe someone and what they stand for and still acknowledge that one particular thing they do is a good thing.

      Supporting the recount being called for by Jill Stein is not the same as “supporting Jill Stein.”

      • Do Something Nice

        There was no excuse for the VILE trashing she got here.

        Some were no better than the Tea Party they detest.

        Period.

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      Actually I still think she’s vile. Im sure this is nothing more than Stein famewhoring and cashgrabbing which won’t do a thing to get Trump out of the Whitehouse. I’m donating to Foster Campbell’s runoff election instead. If he wins we get another seat in the Senate.

      http://www.fostercampbell2016.com/donate/

  • Steven B

    Why isn’t Clinton asking for this recount herself?

    • David Milley

      I wish she would.

      • Steven B

        Yeah. You would think she’s all over this. This option seems, at least to me, to have a WAY better chance of results than crossing your fingers for an electoral college turn around.

    • Silver Badger

      She couldn’t without major trumpanzie conflict.

      • Steven B

        Who cares about any Trump objections? A recount, if conducted, would show true factual results. They can cry all they want. Numbers are numbers.

        • Silver Badger

          Take a hard look at the results of civil war.

          • BearEyes

            ugly yes – but in hind sight, a missed opportunity.
            ending slavery was the only good thing from it.

          • Silver Badger

            I was thinking of Syria.

          • BearEyes

            that’s a special kind of ugly to another degree.

          • Silver Badger

            Yes it is. Do you want that for the USA?

          • MonochromeMouse

            No, but it is preferable to rule by fascists.

          • Earl

            There are some who argue that old institution was merely transformed. The slavers lost the war, but won the peace in some ways. πŸ™

        • GayOldLady

          There’s still the long game. Politics, like life, is cyclical. Let Trump destroy Trump.

          • Silver Badger

            pence will do that very soon.

    • The backlash — from all sides — would be tremendous: we’d have Recount!!1! in addition to Benghazi!!1! and E-Mails!!1!.

      Just something else for the “free press” to focus on besides what a f**k-up Trump is.

    • GayOldLady

      I don’t think it will change anything. And Hillary has too much dignity and respect for the process to end her political career on a screaming rant. I think her expectation is the same as mine. Give Trump about 6 months and who he is will be so apparent that even the Trump supporters can’t deny it. The Party, which has always been Hillary’s overwhelming priority, will survive without the scars of a futile battle. My Hope is that the people of the U.S. Unite and force Trump out of office and invalidate not only his presidency, but the GOP Congress, thus making a Mike Pence Presidency toothless.

      • Silver Badger

        We can only hope. pence has all the earmarks of a president for life.

      • SoCalGal20

        I’m a pessimist. I don’t see the people of the U.S. uniting to save the republic. The Trump supporters are too bigoted and some of them, frankly too stupid, to get it or care. The left is so fragmented between people who want to burn the motherfucker down, are so ideologically pure they can’t be bothered, ones who want to fight and do something, and ones who have given up, that I just don’t see them getting it together. I hope America proves me wrong but I’m not confident right now.

        And don’t get me wrong, I’m a pessimist but I WILL fight.

        • Silver Badger

          Me too. And we will be on the same side!

        • fuow

          You pretty much summed it up.

        • Ninja0980

          Hit the nail on the head I’m afraid.

      • fuow

        I think, at this point, it’s time we Democrats try a new tact. It won’t make things any worse and it might just help us to show the non-voters that we do actually have some spine.
        Maybe. I’m pretty unhappy right now.

        • GayOldLady

          Many, if not most, of the non-voters are people who simply have no regard for joining in. I’ve known many of them throughout my life and they couldn’t care less who the POTUS is. They think that both parties are the same. They know nothing about how our government operates. They have no idea about how the legislative branch works. Even many people who vote have no idea about how important the Congress is and how vital it is to have 3 healthy and Sane branches of government. You cannot woo those people off the couch by contesting an election. The only thing that will woo them out of their recliners or off their bar stool is a full on assault of their lifestyle. They will have to feel more pain than they’ve ever felt before to motivate them to join in.

          • fuow

            I fear you are right. Well, Trump is going to make their lives pretty damn miserable. Maybe it’ll shake them awake.

          • Librarykid

            Ryan getting his way on Medicare might get some off of their ugly old asses.

      • Ross

        I have a very tiny ray of hope the a recount will prove that Hillary won the Electoral Vote.

        If so, I cannot imagine that she would not accept the results.

        • GayOldLady

          I think she would accept the results if they were in her favor, but I really don’t expect that to be the case. Since the results in those States haven’t been certified she would be obligated to accept them.

      • CottonBlimp

        Give Trump about 6 months and who he is will be so apparent that even the Trump supporters can’t deny it.

        They had a year and a half to see who he is and they still deny it.

        Most conservatives are fundamentally incapable of learning, because their Christian upbringing taught them not to self-examine their beliefs. They have enormous defense mechanisms against all evidence and experiences that contradict their dogma, like faith and blaming minorities for their problems. You *cannot* depend on their decency or ability to grow as human beings.

    • medaka

      White-trash-lash. And exhaustion, alas.

    • TK

      I’d imagine Hillary and her team are not asking for a recount because internal data/opinion is that there won’t be enough to change the outcome. There may be a little swing in her favor, but not enough to get over the hump.

      • Steven B

        You mean the same polls that had her easily winning the election? All you need is one single state to come out differently. One out of three. That’s enough for that hump.

      • Ross

        I’d imagine Hillary and her team are not asking for a recount because it looks self-serving.

        See also my comment above.

    • WebSlinger

      It isn’t because we naively believe it will suddenly upend the results or to present American democracy as flimsy, it’s rather to resist, publicly and in every way possible, the election of an incompetent con man to our nation’s highest office.

      Hillary is going to win the popular vote by over two million votes and we are going to use our voices at every turn to resist.

      Trump’s conflicts of interest have already made a mockery of our government, so yes, we will protest and crowdsource and make our voices heard.

      • fuow

        Which is good. Better, would have been if we gay men had actually bothered to get out the vote.
        We stand to lose a lot.

        • WebSlinger

          I am sure out of the 43% that did not vote their were some gays..just like there were some out of EVERY demographic….

          Also there were some gays that voted for Trump…

          • fuow

            Gay turnout was depressed according to every gay man I know who was involved in the polling. We had quite a discussion about this in 2012 and 2014. Several months later, we had fairly reliable surveys which showed that our turnout was way low.
            I suspect it’ll turn out that way this time, too.
            As to gays who vote for Trump, fuck them, asswipes.

    • Ross

      It is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better that the Green Party is demanding a recount rather than the Democrats.

      If the Dems do it, it looks self-serving.

      NOTE: The Hillary campaign send out an emails asking people in CA to donate to the effort.

    • CottonBlimp

      It will pay off no matter what they find. The very idea that our voting systems could be hacked is terrifying, and needs to be looked into. If they find no evidence of tampering, well, that at least means one less thing to worry about in subsequent elections. If they find *any* evidence of tampering, even if it wasn’t enough to change the election results, that means that Trump and/or his allies launched an attack against Democracy itself, and then it’ll be time to truly let shit fly.

  • medaka

    How are those tobacco and oil stocks performing for you, Herr Doktor? If you’ve got a minute, you can also tell us what Putin’s asshole tastes like.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      Wouldn’t Jill Stein be Frau Doktor?

      • medaka

        I actually looked it up, but couldn’t finger out the correct title. I trust you are right, and bow down accordingly.

        PS: when I’m in SF and we drive up and over the big hill, my pals — who read here but don’t comment — say “Do you think Rebecca lives in that building, or that one?” You rock.Sistagirlfren!

  • Lamb Urgini
  • Rebecca Gardner

    OT but Ann Coulter is defending the American Nazi Party.

    https://twitter.com/BikerBecca/status/802165152304992260

  • TexasBoy

    Again, I have to ask…what is in it for Jill Stein, who said Trump would be less dangerous in office than Hillary?

    • Silver Badger

      No one. Hillary was the only logical choice.

      • TexasBoy

        But that IS what Jill Stein said. That Trump would be less dangerous than Hillary. So why is Stein trying to fund a recount?

        • Silver Badger

          So, she changed her mind.

        • Mikey

          Simple. She was lying.

    • Friday

      I think what’s in it for her is not-going-out-like Nader after getting a disastrous administration in office.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        Too late.

        • Friday

          Probably. But if it actually works, who knows.

    • DaddyRay

      With every donation she is getting the Democratic Party Donor base contact information

    • Ross

      I have zero evidence to support the following.

      My take is that Stein is jealous of Hillary. So, she talked up Orange Slime.

      But Slime won, and Stein did not expect that. Few did.

      So now Stein is trying to undo a big fuck-up on her part.

      Perhaps, perhaps, she loves her country and realizes the true danger Slime represents.

  • joe ho

    Russia controlled the election. WaPo article on Russian propaganda machine that spread many of the anti-Hillary fake news stories during the final days of the campaign. This in addition to the hacking of the DNC and Wikileaks.

    It’s clear something very dark is going on.

    • Rebecca Gardner
      • Ernest Endevor

        Isn’t this nepotism? Or treason? Or something?

        • Rebecca Gardner

          It’s an absolute violation of the Logan Act.

          • Ernest Endevor

            Rules are for little people.

          • Mikey

            well, they have little hands, does that count?

      • JCF

        TEXTBOOK “October Surprise” (in the 1980 pattern).

    • Nychta

      Hillary’s 1998 phrase “vast right wing conspiracy” keeps popping into my mind.

      • billbear1961

        Probably because THAT is what it IS, N!

      • stevenj

        The words “vast right wing conspiracy” usually brings a lot of skeptical eye rolls from most. However, David Talbot’s excellently researched book “The Devil’s Chessboard”, published in 2015, deals with this subject by revealing the details of a shadow government largely guided along by Allen Dulles (Eisenhower’s CIA head) in the 1950’s. Eisenhower saw the negative results of this new entity by the end of his 2nd term and warned Americans in his final speech to be wary of the military industrial complex and it’s inroads into all aspects of our lives. Big $$$ were at play then … and now.

      • cleos_mom

        And people who really should have known better laughed at her then.

    • Ninja0980

      And yet our media didn’t give a damn and was only too happy to help Russia if it made Hillary look bad.

      • joe ho

        Never again watching CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC fpr news coverage or commentary. Refuse to feed the beast.

  • DaveMiller135

    I bet she wonders why she couldn’t have gotten contributions at that pace for her campaign.

    Also, I guess it’s only rigged if you lose.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Hope?

    BREAKING: Presidential Electors File Stunning Lawsuit To BREAK From Trump & Vote Hillary
    http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/11/25/breaking-presidential-electors-file-stunning-lawsuit-to-break-from-trump-vote-hillary/

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I read the article and it seems the people filing the lawsuit want a GOPer who is not batshit.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        That would mean getting rid of Trump, Pence, and all their Cabinet picks.

        I’m OK with that.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          Who’s a non-batshit GOPer?

          • Rebecca Gardner

            Nobody. Good point.

          • fuow

            Now, wait a minute there. Eisenhower was definitely non-batshit.
            Nixon was apeshit, but not batshit.
            So – that makes two. I’ll get back to you if I find any others. Not having much luck with any who are living….

          • Rebecca Gardner

            Please find those that are still living.

          • fuow

            Please restate your request. The system has been unable to find any co-relation among these three variable:
            1)Living
            2)Republican
            3)Non-batshit

          • Beagle

            Jon Huntsman.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            Another question is would he accept the position if offered. I know he’d love the position but he’d also be facing a huge wave of crazy Trumpeteers hating on him, have no legitimacy from having won the popular vote unlike Hillary and his church would probably get a lot of crap from Trumpeteers as well.

          • agcons

            . . . never mind. I need to read ahead.

      • lymis

        Unless enough of them switched to Hillary to give her 270, dropping Trump below 270 shifts the choice of the President to the House of Representatives.

        At this point, someone they’d pick would be better than Trump/Pence, but no way we’d get Hillary that way – unless Stein’s recounts boost her numbers above 270.

  • boatboy_srq

    On the one hand, if this is to inhibit a tRump pResidency, it seems inadequate and tardy.

    On the other, Stein challenging the count prevents Clinton from taking on that baggage should the recounts flip the electors.

  • Yixing’s Fluffer

    LOL She’s raised the goal twice already and will continue to do so as long as people throw money away into that abyss. If you want to help, donate to the Dem in the Senate race in Louisiana. He’s campaigning on protecting Medicare – an issue Schumer and Pelosi will make hay of in the months ahead.

    • SoCalGal20

      The initial goal was the money needed for WI, the second goal was the money needed for PA, the third goal is the money needed for MI.

      I do agree that people should also be donating to Foster Campbell’s Senate campaign in LA. If he wins it will be 49 Dems in the Senate which will make it MUCH easier for Dems to have some influence. The DNC should be blasting that race far and wide but…crickets.

      • Yixing’s Fluffer

        It’s the same problem the DSCC with Patrick Murphy in FL. They put money in then pulled the plug then dithered about restarting the flow then tossed him some meaningless amount. I wonder if the polling errors in the general aren’t making them even more hesitant about spending now.

        • billbear1961

          They should pull their finger out!

          CHRIST!!

        • SoCalGal20

          I think they just kind of suck? They don’t fight like the GOP. The GOP is like a goddamn dog with a bone. They will. not. let. go. Dems OTOH are just like “Oh. Ok.” Fuck that! They should be throwing everything they have at that LA Senate race.

      • billbear1961
        • SoCalGal20

          Thank you!!!!

        • Ray Taylor

          Encouraging, for a welcome change.

          • billbear1961

            Hello, Ray!

          • Ray Taylor

            Hello, BB. Glad you are doing better. I’ve been kinda depressed and cold because my BigE pellet stove wasn’t working. I had to order a new exhaust fan, arrived this AM and just installed it. The house is warming up nicely.

    • fuow

      Idiot.
      The two are not mutually exclusive.
      rethuglican troll.

      • Yixing’s Fluffer

        LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL K, sweetie.

    • Ross

      You wrote: “throw money away into that abyss.”

      Really? I would say money well spent.

      There is strong evidence that Orange Slime did not win. An election recount can prove it either way.

      Here are two good articles on the subject and its merits:

      http://www.alternet.org/its-starting-green-party-launches-fundraising-drive-presidential-recounts-wi-pa-and-mi

      Computer scientists urge Clinton campaign to challenge election results:

      http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html?sr=twCNN112316hillary-clinton-challenge-results0241AMVODtopLink&linkId=31471050

      • Yixing’s Fluffer

        Nate Cohn at the NYTimes already disproved this; 99% of discrepancies are explained by urban precincts using paper while rural ones use electronic systems. Furthermore, it’s not clear a recount would cost anywhere near what the Greens are claiming it would; if you read the disclaimer they say they will not refund any excess funds.

        Plus, by contributing you’ve added your information to the Green Party’s email list, which they can then sell to raise further money for themselves.

        • Ross

          Nate Cohn has proved nothing.

          Explaining what has proved normal is past elections is NOT proof that the same is true for THIS election.

          In addition, each state in question requires MILLIONS up front to proceed with a recount.

    • The Return of Traxley

      If you read the her explanation for the recount effort, she lists the amount needed for filing fees for WI, PA, and MI. The total just to cover the fees alone is 2.2 million. Should further legal action be needed, she estimates the cost of attorney fees as being another 4 million. She’s planning ahead. And it looks like she may be on track to collect that stretch goal.

      I honestly don’t think she thought she’d get this kind of response and started with a modest goal.

      I may buy another ten pounds of popcorn…

      • Ross

        The total recount costs for WI, PA, and MI is like $6M.

      • Bryan

        Good on you guys taking time to get these idjits to see sense. I’ve just been blocking them outright. No patience for people trying to stop this. Get on board or get the fuck out of the way Yixing.

        • Bryan

          Didn’t like Stein, still don’t agree with her, but brava this is actually looking like something strangely hopeful. I’m still not willing to think it’ll REALLY get Hillary elected, there’s a chance where there really wasn’t before.

  • Blackfork

    Go for it. I’d rather see Clinton installed as President under a suspicion of illegitimacy than see a wholesale rollback of every good thing Obama made happen.

  • WebSlinger

    For now, I simply want to protest the obnoxious posture that many so-called journalists take toward the integrity, intelligence, depth and judgement of those of us who have worked so hard for Clinton and others in this election.

    Our judgment that the recounts are needed seem to be more well-thought out than all the criticisms I’ve read

    • billbear1961

      Their lie-down-and-roll-over-for-fascism is DISGUSTING!

      Why aren’t they looking into Trump’s Russian connections?!

      If Hillary were suspected of such TREACHERY, both the corporate media and the GOP Congress would be out for her BLOOD!!

    • Bryan

      Journalists and others who’ve already given up or want to sow the discord of giving up. There’s CLEARLY been election fraud, and as long as they’re not tied up somehow there WILL be a recount/audit and it WILL show that fraud. But somehow they’re like “yeah no it’s stupid we lost assume the position” – fuck that. I don’t know if it’ll succeed over everything and I’m only a bit hopeful but to just make blanket statements…um “the time for stupid statements/sayings is over”

  • talldoggy

    I can already hear the republican shills now – same arguments as in Florida – better to go with a stolen election than tie it up in uncertainty.

    • BobSF_94117

      At least they can’t use the argument that the alleged president-elect needs all the time he can get to prepare. Trump’s squandering the prep time he has.

  • fuow

    So, the Greens have the courage to challenge it but my own party hasn’t. Hmm, I wonder if that might have to do with why we lost those who KNOW they’ll be most hurt by Trump?

    • Mikey

      Depends, was Johnson the leader of “your” party?

      It is far better for a 3rd party to contest the election results than for the Democrats to do so.

      Imagine if the recount overthrows the election result?

      Imagine Hillary Clinton is declared the winner?

      Now imagine the Republican and trumpnation reaction to that?
      If the election result is overthrown because the Democrats asked for a recount, it will be spun as “interference” and “rigging” and “cheating”.

      At least, if it’s a third party, they can’t directly accuse the Democrats of anything (well, we KNOW they would try, but still).

      • fuow

        I sometimes forget there are new people here, too.
        I’m one of the oldest, loudest yellow-dogs here.

        • Mikey

          I didn’t actually think you were a Johnson supporter.
          However, I find it unproductive to blame the Democratic party for not contesting the election result when the blowback from such a contestation would throw the country into further turmoil.

          let a third party candidate contest the results. it puts a buffer between Clinton and the Rethuglikkkans.

          • fuow

            I must disagree. My party’s lack of a spine has caused a lot of our losses.
            It would be highly productive, in my opinion, to finally get up on our hind legs and fight. It would show the desperate people in the rust belt that we are actually real people who care about things and not faceless politicos.

          • Mikey

            the country doesn’t need “fight”.
            it needs careful guidance, it needs planning for the future.
            but the “desperate people” prefer to believe the transparent lies of a huckster than to actually listen to the platform and projects and solutions offered by the Democrats.

            it’s easy to go ahead and blame “elitists” and “politicos” and lobbyists and whomever you want, but the real problem is people who willingly fell for abject lies in complete defiance of their own interests.

            Coal country people believing Trump’s wild claims that he can bring back an industry that has been dying for decades, and at the same time, they vote for him knowing full well that he will rescind the very medical care and education that the “liberal elites” were able to achieve for them.

            Them damned Democrat Liberals, they don’t care for us, all they do is give us health coverage so we don’t lose our houses if we get sick, and make sure that our school curriculums can actually lead to productive adulthood for our children. but dammit, they ain’t promising us no gold toilets like that Trump fellow. I want my gold toilet!

  • Whatever happens this time around, it seems pretty clear we’ve reached a point where publicly reported post-election audits should become a standard thing that all taxpayers should welcome.

    Maybe we should let Canadians do it. Everybody trusts Canada.

    • Mikey

      We are not touching your disaster of a country with a 3987 mile pole.

  • Ernest Endevor

    Fraud. Why does the amount needed keep rising?

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-word-of-caution

    • Ross

      The amount keeps rising because the Green Party initially intended to ask for a recount in one state. They were not sure if they could raise enough money.

      And then they were stunned by the results. Money POURED in.

      So they upped the recount to two states, and upped the amount needed.

      And money POURED in.

      So they upped the recount to two states, and upped the amount needed.

      And money POURED in.

      • billbear1961

        Change your second “two” to “three” states, Ross!

        • Ross

          Oops. Thanks, Oh Great Furry One!

          • billbear1961

            πŸ™‚

      • Ernest Endevor

        I don’t think that’s actually what happened. Read Josh Marshall. She’s building a war-chest for 2020.

        • billbear1961

          It’s estimated that around 6 million is needed to pay for recounts in all three states, EE.

          • Ernest Endevor

            Isn’t it already too late?

          • billbear1961

            No, the deadlines are today, next Monday and Wednesday.

  • lymis

    “The Stein campaign said it needed to raise over $2 million by Friday to pay for recounts β€” a goal it quickly met. The fundraising goal was then upped to $4.5 million, which it also met. The current goal is $7 million.”

    While I don’t think there’s anything actually inaccurate, that’s certainly poorly phrased. It sounds like she moved the goalposts, and my initial reaction was that the implication was she’s just trying to scam extra money.

    What’s true, though, is that she raised the money for the Wisconsin recount so easily that she extended the request to fund the Michigan and Pennsylvania recounts.

    Not sure how all this works, but it would seem that as a presidential candidate herself, she has standing to ask for the recount, even though she knows it won’t benefit her own chances of having won.

    • billbear1961

      If we can get hold of even MI, where true democracy’s chances are best, it brings Hillary up to 248 EVs and the fascist disgrace–the Predator-in-Chief, Mr. Two-Million-Short, the LOSER–down to 290.

      That would mean we’d have to flip 22 electors instead of 38!

  • RLK2

    She better hurry as today is the last day in WI to challenge the results. Plus, does she have any standing to do so?

    • Ross

      Yes, she has standing.

    • billbear1961

      Yes, she was/is a candidate for the presidency. She was on the ballot.

      That gives her standing.

    • The Return of Traxley

      She’s posted on her site that she’s ready to file.

      And Wisconsin election officials went in record yesterday sayong they’re preparing for a statewide recount.

    • Gianni

      I should think she has standing. She was a candidate in that very election.

  • JWC

    Has anyone else noticed that whatever Trump accused Hillary of doing he ultimately was the one doing

    • Mikey

      Trump?
      my god, did you watch the elections at all? Every Single GOP politician and pundit whined and moaned and tossed accusations at the Democrats, while doing either the exact same thing they were accusing, or FAR worse.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      The master projectionist was projecting, yet the masses and the media chose to ignore him and gleefully watched the lies & obfuscations he put on the screen.

      • Librarykid

        It’s a shame it’s not projectile vomiting.

  • So Trump’s constant Trumpeting of “rigged election” has inspired a recount that could just possibly Thump him in the Rump. Nice! Of course in the unlikely event that Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania all go to Hillary, then she has reached the magic number. But even if only one of those close states actually flips, then the number of “faithless electors” needed to hand victory to the winner of the popular vote (by over 2.1 million votes) shrinks, and the calls for them to do so will surely only increase.

    • MBear

      If a recount indicates tampering, theres going to be more than vote counting happening. At least I’d like to think so

  • Mikey

    Well, as the saying goes: a defective digital clock is right at least once a day.

  • witch

    I don’t know if a recount will change anything, but if it’s true we need to fix any hacking before the next elections

    • canoebum

      What elections? It’s over. The American experiment in self-governance has failed after 240 years. What type of government we’ll have after the GOP finishes killing the last of the Federal government, who knows? But representative democracy is dead.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        If not dead, at the very least on life-support and the GOP is getting ready to pull the plug…thanks Paul Ryan.

      • witch

        Sorry but I sure as hell am not going to lay back and think of England, I will fight no matter if Rump is president, that is what he and his rich minions want people to do, give up. Not going to happen

      • Andy McFerrin

        ’twas capitalism that killed the beast. :/

        • canoebum

          (unfettered)Capitalism. We used to have some reasonable controls in this country, and it worked better for everyone. Since the “Reagan Revolution” it’s been all out war on the ordinary citizen. The ordinary citizens lost.

  • Kelly Lape

    Seems to me she’s raising a lot of money… wonder where it will go when she doesn’t fund the recounts.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Though I am gratified to see this happening, I still can’t help but also feel a tad annoyed. Jill Stein and others, did their damnedest to hurt Hillary at every turn while barely paying lip service to Trump and now, we have this. I would love to see the EC actually fulfill one of its functions as “sober, second thought” and do the right thing; but this money grab seems more a convenience to Stein, than an actual pushback against Trump.

    • JWC

      Jean marc How come us North of the 49th saw what they didn’t

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Honestly, I haven’t a clue, I just know we did.

      • Parque_Hundido

        I’m curious to know what you saw that others didn’t. Many of us saw in Clinton a deeply flawed candidate whose baggage would lead to a low turnout.

        Four million fewer Democrats voted in this election than in 2012. Trump received fewer votes than Romney. The two nominees with the lowest approval ratings in their parties’ respective histories led precisely to the low turnout many of us predicted and to the electoral college victory without the popular vote win that Nate Silver assigned a probability of about 35%.

        Stein and Johnson are convenient scapegoats but had nothing to do with the outcome of this election.

    • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

      Tad annoyed? Just TAD annoyed??!! How about royally pissed and screwed by these Stein and Bernie holdouts. You wanted to support Sanders in the primaries. Fine. I did. But the minute Hillary got the nod we should have ALL been onboard. I knew Hillary was screwed when the Bernie bots were referring to her as “Killery” just weeks before the election. It was, and they are deplorable..

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        First off, I’m not a Bernie bot. Secondly, my use of the phrase “a tad annoyed” is merely a figure of speech. Third, you’re quite right, the moment Hillary was chosen, everyone should have supported her; fake god knows the republicans fell in line moments after Trump was chosen. The greatest failure of the left in America is their infighting and puerile insistence on ideological purity, to the detriment of the nation.

      • Parque_Hundido

        Sorry Stu, you shillaries lost this. Your corporate stooge of a nominee inspires four million Democrats to stay home and not vote. Congrats.

  • Andy McFerrin

    Nate Silver doesn’t think a prospective recount will change the results. I’m not sure I do either. Let’s do it anyway. Trump claimed the voting was rigged, so let’s take him at his word. At the very least we restore some confidence in the system the Shithead-in-Chief damaged on his way in.

    • Stefan Heikel

      He also predicted Democrats would win the Presidency and the Senate so…

      • Andy McFerrin

        I’ll be ecstatic if I’m proven wrong, I assure you.

  • andrew

    Looks like Stein who got about 1% of the popular vote, desperately wants to stay in the news.

  • The_Wretched

    That the DEMS aren’t fighting this issue and Jill Stein is (for whatever reason) is part of why Trump is now the president-elect. DEMS need to be seeing as even trying.

    • Ross

      As I wrote previously, it would appear self-serving for the Dems to demand a recount.

      MUCH better for the Greens to do so.

      • The_Wretched

        yeah no
        of course recounts are self-serving, that doesn’t mean they aren’t a good idea or that the DEMS couldn’t gain political points for arguing “electoral integrity”. Out rhetoric the republicans on their “voter fraud” non-sense. To not fight is to lose this point. DEMS hardly wimper on point. It’s risible.

  • Parque_Hundido

    I’m proud to have voted for Stein, the only candidate worth supporting.

    • Ross

      And I am damn proud to have voted for Hillary, the only candidate worth supporting.

      • Parque_Hundido

        You and the rest of the Shillaries can also be proud of electing Trump. Congrats.

        • The Return of Traxley

          Please save your sanctimony for those who actually care. And good luck finding them.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Go join the GOP. Get out of the Democratic party and never again show your sorry Dave.

          • The Return of Traxley

            My sorry Dave?

            Go choke on an organic kale muffin.

          • Parque_Hundido

            It’s so easy to feel smug next to Shillaries like you who thought Clinton, a corporate stooge and Wall Street shill, could win.

            You elected Trump. Now go fuck yourself and stay the hell away from MY Democratic Party. Go join the GOP. It’s where you and your ilk belong.

          • The Return of Traxley

            Nope.

            The party isn’t “yours,” sunshine. I don’t see you name anywhere on the title. I’ve been happily registered with it for forty years and I’m not going anywhere, not sorry. Perhaps you should find another organization (with lower standards for membership) if you can’t stand to be around folks like me who’ve been volunteering to help top to bottom ballot Democratic candidates since the Carter administration.

            Again with the “Shillary” business. Dear, you need new material. How about “cuck?” I hear that the cool kids seem to like throwing that one around like a spitball. It might even work for you, too.

            Smug is attractive on no one, especially someone as combative and rude as you are. Your sweeping self entitlement is nearly Sarandon-esque in its dreadful seriousness and hilarity.

            But hey, I’ll let you get back to work. You’ve done your spittle-flecked scolding here. You only have another 35 million people to pester. Good luck with that.

            And since I know you’ll fire back again with another round of self-righteous and impotent rage, I’ll say goodnight and block you.

          • Parque_Hundido

            You’re out. We’ve already fixed your wagon. You can take your bad pantsuit to the GOP where you belong.

        • Ross

          Yes, dear.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Sorry about your innumeracy. But your support for a corporate stooge who inspired 4 million Democrats to sit out the election helped elect Trump. Congrats!

          • Ross

            Yes, dear.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Here’s a top tip to solve your problem: take a hot poker, shove it in your mouth and do the right thing. Just shut the fuck up you worthless Shillary.

          • Ross

            Yes, dear.

          • Parque_Hundido

            Good bitch.

    • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

      Sorry, but after looking at Trump’s cabinet post nominations and the fact that he’ll be packing the Supreme Court with like minded crazies, I think you should take your “pride” and shove it DEEP up your ass.

      • Parque_Hundido

        I think you and the other Shillaries should take credit for Trump. You crowned the worst possible candidate nominee. You thought a corporate stooge and Wall Street shill could actually win.

        Get the fuck out of MY Democratic Party.

        • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

          It’s OUR party….at least it USED to be!!! We won victories with this coalition….don’t forget that. And had we all been on board we’d be looking at a slew of great cabinet picks instead of the nightmare we’re witnessing now!!

          • Parque_Hundido

            Pity you shillaries divided the party and elected Trump. Get out of my party. Good riddance.

  • Gianni

    Am I the only one who gets the sense that, even though the Dem Party is publicly keeping hands off this move on the part of Stein, they are diligently working quietly in the background to move it along? I hope that, under the table, they are throwing all the support they can to this. Who knows? This may reach much deeper than just those states.

    • Bryan

      That seems to be the “smart” money.

    • Ross

      The Hillary campaign sent an email to California supporters asking them to donate to the recount.

      And I don’t doubt they are, like you stated, also diligently working quietly in the background to move it along.

  • PiperPine

    My trust in Dr. Stein is minimal to nonexistent. I am deeply concerned with the lack of oversight and the opacity in how this money will be spent. Goody if she actually does anything about the recount but considering her track record of delivery and incompetence consider this an arched eyebrow of distrust.

    I want to stress I want a recount in WI, MI, PA, and Minnesota. I just doubt Stein will deliver.

  • Next week, Pennsylvania recount on Monday, then Michigan!

    These three states gave the Electoral College victory to Trump, although Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote by 2,000,000+ votes.

    https://www.facebook.com/drjillstein/photos/a.267467419960122.70392.240944029279128/1376327742407412/?type=3&source=48

  • JCF

    Color me highly ambivalent. On the one hand: “recount, by any means necessary”. On the other: NPR poo-poo’d this (and I generally trust them). Is it just a grift for Stein? Putin-allied STEIN???

    Inasmuch as I’d give my right arm—well, my right pinky anyway!—to overturn the election, and make the popular vote winner President, I’m just not sure a Stein-back effort is the way to go…

    • Ross

      Stein has the standing.

      She raised the funds.

      What is the problem?

    • JOHN MAYOR

      Hang in!… Stein will get it done!… Trump’s on the way out!
      .
      Please!… no emails!

  • Parque_Hundido

    Yet another reason to be proud of my vote for the only candidate worth supporting: Jill Stein.

    • Ross

      Your candidate received…1% of the vote.

      One percent.

      Yep, ya’ picked a worthy candidate!

      • Parque_Hundido

        You’re welcome. Clearly, you were in need of some instruction.

  • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

    Someone must have informed Stein that not filing and keeping the cash was fraud because she got in under the wire in Wisconsin.

    http://jezebel.com/just-under-the-wire-jill-stein-submits-recount-petitio-1789370316

  • JOHN MAYOR

    Joe!… could you!… and, your’s!… join in the campaign cited at, http://meetup.blackmattersus.com/meetup/one-person-one-vote-march/… as I believe this can only help in the recent TIDE of contestation that Trump, and Republicans, have been receiving! Thanks!
    .
    Please!… no emails!