Hillary’s Popular Vote Lead Passes Two Million

The New York Daily News reports:

Hillary Clinton’s lead in the popular vote over President-elect Donald Trump has surpassed 2 million votes. As of Wednesday morning, Clinton had received 64,223,958 votes, while Trump received 62,206,395 votes — a difference of 2,017,563, according to the Cook Political Report.

Despite trailing in the popular vote, Trump won the White House with 290 electoral votes to Clinton’s 232. Clinton is just the fifth presidential nominee in U.S. history to win the popular vote but lose in the Electoral College.

The widening margin of her win in the popular vote has prompted a burgeoning movement around the country to persuade members of the Electoral College to deny the presidency to the clear winner on Election Day. Activists have circulated online petitions urging Republican electors to vote for someone other than Trump, denying him the 270 Electoral College votes he needs to become the next president.

  • Silver Badger

    All good Americans must stand together and DEMAND a recount!

    P.S. Thanks Joe. I know I could count on you!

    • MonochromeMouse

      today is the last day to do it, if you haven’t call the DOJ to leave a message urging them to audit the vote due to vote suppression and the very real possibility of foreign hackers interfering with the election, the number is 202-353-1555 even if it’s busy keep calling you will eventually get through. It probably won’t work, but at least you will be able to look back and know you did everything you legally could to keep fascists from getting power in America.

      • justmeeeee

        The DOJ doesn’t open investigations based on popular demand. This is a myth.

        • MonochromeMouse

          Doesn’t matter, hundreds of thousands of pissed off callers along with protests/riots over the results can’t be ignored, at the very least it will send a message that the people are not in favor of the deplorables and they better tread lightly or face a revolt.

  • Lazycrockett

    Well since I thought I would be using this so much the next 4 years.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d4b9e0f932c12a6c0b6499082f171f46698030e2d27f2b1cc20012fd27453a3f.gif

    • saucetin

      …not to mention taco yesterdays

      • AW

        I miss the countdown to taco tuesday. Now it’s race baiting everyday.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Now it’s Manic Mondays and Freak Out Fridays

          • The Return of Traxley

            And Hide Under The Covers every day in between.

          • vorpal

            OTT = Only Trump Thursdays :(.

          • the mutt

            FUBAR Fridays

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        • BobSF_94117

          I wonder what they did with all the taco fixin’s. (fixins? fixin’seses)

    • ultragreen
  • safari

    I hope this lead by Hillary in the popular vote haunts Donald for the rest of his life.

    • AW

      It won’t.

    • moebym

      I hope it’s written in every damn history book so future Americans will know of the injustice done to her (and us) and never let it happen again.

    • boatboy_srq

      You mean the way Bush v. Gore is stamped all over the Shrubbery? Like that? Because nobody outside the libprogosphere remembers that.

      • safari

        I don’t know. W is now painting his feet in the bathtub.

      • Buford

        I think the point is that Trump is so vain, insecure, narcissistic, and (most importantly) self-obsessive that he will likely develop ulcers knowing that most voters actually preferred Hillary.

        • MonochromeMouse

          He walked into the White House
          Like he was walking onto a yacht
          His wig strategically dipped below one eye
          His skin, it was apricot

    • teeveedub

      Can a person with no conscience, morals, or ethics be haunted?

      • safari

        In an interview Donald’s chief fear is becoming “failed” like Arsenio Hall.

      • ultragreen

        No.

  • canoebum

    Only 38 Electoral College voters need to flip and express the true will of the people. That is not an overwhelming number.

    • safari

      It’s just never been done before.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        Let’s make this a season for miracles.

      • BobSF_94117

        [ignore. I’m getting confused. Be right back]

        • safari

          Not by 38 votes if I recall correctly. There certainly have been a few EC dissenters.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      They would be in for a literal fight for their own lives

  • moebym

    Could grow to as much as 2.5 million.

    Biggest lead by a “loser” of the Electoral College.

    Ain’t that America, home of the cheat, yeah?

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      ” For you and me “

      • moebym

        Not anymore, it isn’t.

        • MonochromeMouse

          that song was meant to be sarcastic, so it still kind of works.
          pretty much any non-country song about America is probably sarcastic.

    • Ray Taylor

      2.5M is what the ‘losers’ predicted Clinton would win by on 11-9.

      • esmensetoo

        It is what she won by — but our national elections are rigged to give the most power to rural people who don’t care about anything except whether their subsidized lifestyle will remain subsided by the rest of us (it will, because the votes of many of the rest of us, ultimately, don’t count — as this election demonstrates).

        I know people on the Big Ag commissions and boards. They voted Trump, and then were a little surprised that the people from Heritage who claim they want to get rid of all regulation and all subsidies were put in charge of Ag. But they need not worry, they will get the deregulation they want but NOBODY will dare touch their subsidies. Or take away their cheap immigrant labor. Or do anything to re-negotiate trade deals that support their, and Big Energy’s and commercial developers low wage policies either.

        That will be true in industry after industry — libertarian for thee but not for me.

        This administration is going to be the biggest giveaway to special economic interests in the history of the country. It doesn’t matter that they are banning office holders from getting rich as lobbyists AFTER they leave — Trump has put the lobbyist in charge so they can make money hand over fist while they are in office — they won’t need to work for anyone else ever again once they cash in after this deal is over and the economy everyone else depends on is dead. And, when it all crashes on our heads again, they’ll get bailed out again, too, while blaming the Democrats. And that “infrastructure spending?” Another giveaway to private developers who will profit from the tolls they charge for the bridges and roads. And then expect and need Uncle Sam — that’s tax payers and small business people like me — to guarantee their profits and bail them out of bankruptcy.

        The only unanswered question is how long it will take them to tank the economy this time. And whether or not the rest of us can recover.

        I’m betting that most of the country won’t be able to — but hey, those “real” Americans showed those “libtards” — exactly how clueless they are.

        I’m also betting there will be no “revolution.” This election WAS the revolution — the fake rebels were rebelling against anyone and anything that might take the Republic back from the people who have been eating it alive for the last 40 years. Because they don’t want freedom — they just want a big daddy to take care of them.

        Give Big Daddy your power and he will use it to feather his own nest. Why do humans never learn?

    • MonochromeMouse

      To quote pre-11/2/16 Donald Trump “RIGGED!!!”

      • JCF

        No Taxation Without Representation!

    • teeveedub

      Not to mention the discrepancies that the DNC is coyly “looking into” in counties with voting machines with no paper trails.

    • Goodboy

      It’s the Republican winning strategy of today.

  • Bared Bear

    Just no words. Except fuck this country sideways.

    • safari

      You don’t stick it in crazy.

      • Cousin Bleh

        My ex found plenty of people willing to do just that.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Crazy can be HOT.
          Until it’s not

    • Gustav2

      Just remember, there are more of us.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Give her and us what is deserved !!

  • Giant Monster Gamera

    Do NOT read the comments on any of these stories, because the Breitbart legions are out in force; “why should California count for more than Mississippi?” or “The Founders were against the coastal elites” will have your blood boiling.

    • Butch

      Has anyone else noticed the mean tone that’s – I was going to say “crept into” but that’s not what’s happened; it came on like a tidal wave – so many comment sections, even on largely gay sites, since Trump’s election? I rarely go into any comments now other than at JMG because so many people there are just looking for a fight.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I’ve noticed. I think they feel Donald gave them license to be bitchy as fuck, especially online. I doubt most (I know many are but I’m saying most) are this bitchy to the POC in their RL because they can still get canned by HR and RL people are liable to punch you in the face.

        • Stephen Elliot Phillips

          I blocked kay couldnt take he/she/it anymore

          • The Return of Traxley

            I don’t know what the deal was there. Incomprehensible garbage with an inconsistent passive-aggressive tone.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Omg smug know-it-all-post-truther

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        Well melania is gonna stop cyber-bullying

        • The Return of Traxley

          Heh.

        • Goodboy

          Well, at least she’s got some experience to add.

      • Randy Ellicott

        Its not just the interwebs either! My husband and i were supposed to go to Stevie Nix this last weekend but i came down with bronchitis so he took our friend. Now my husband is a mexican american and our friend is an african american women, and sitting in their seats getting ready to watch the show an older white women comes up and starts yelling at them for dating each other outside their race! At a freaking Stevie Nix concert in freaking Philly!! (she was removed by security)

    • Ernest Endevor

      Have you ever been to Mississippi? Also, didn’t the ‘Founders’ all live on the East coast? Because there was no where else to live?

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      Then maybe california should take our economy and walk away from this fascist union

    • Bad Tom

      In the Founder’s time the West Coast did not exist.

    • billbear1961

      We want ALL votes to have the SAME weight.

      Why should a Californian’s vote have less weight than someone’s vote in Wyoming?

      It takes FAR more Californians to “make” one electoral vote than it does people in Wyoming. Are the Breitbart people too STUPID to understand that?

      Why should THEIR votes have more weight than the votes of people in California?

      • shivadog

        It’s also not fair for some of the people in Wyoming. Being a liberal here, my vote never counts. There have only been two times in my life that someone I voted for won,(Clinton and Obama) but both times my vote actually counted against them due to the Electoral college.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    In many other countries, there would be way bigger protests even violence over batshit like this.

    • The Return of Traxley

      But it’s impossible to find a place to park once you get there, and the wait for a table afterwards is ridiculous. Plus, the sitters charge triple for that, if you can find one who actually shows up on time.

      I mean, really.

  • BobSF_94117

    The widening margin of her win in the popular vote has prompted a
    burgeoning movement around the country to persuade members of the
    Electoral College to deny the presidency to the clear winner on Election
    Day.

    Clear winner?

    Anyway, what’s prompting calls for the EC to do its duty isn’t the vote margin, it’s the complete incompetence of the “winner”.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Why not both?

      • safari

        Decorum

        • ralphb

          Decorum has no place in the world as we are now experiencing it. The Dems (and Hillary) refused to get down in the mud and fight, which is why they lost. That, and not picking Sanders to run as Veep.

      • BobSF_94117

        Because winning the popular vote, by itself, is no reason for the EC to step in.

        [edit] The competence issue would be the same even if Trump had won by 10% or 20%. He’s a catastrophe. [/edit]

  • saucetin

    I’ll happily call her Two Million Clinton from now on.

    • safari

      Because “Received more votes than any white male nominee” Clinton is too bulky.

      • D. Gray

        Has she not received more votes than any other presidential candidate in U.S. history?

        • safari

          Obama 2008 I think still leads.

    • MonochromeMouse

      Why not “President Clinton” that would piss off Trump and his supporters way more, and you know Trump looks around for people talking about him online, he’s always ranting on twitter.

      • saucetin

        Paired w/ calling him LoserTrump, or ‘2 million Fewer Trump’ — I like it!

    • Clive Johnson

      2-Mill Hill?

    • (((GC)))

      And the presumed winner should be called Popular Vote Loser Trump from now on. Every time.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    The Dems need to contest the results of a few states. If they can show that they either won or there were serious shenanigans then the electors should take that into account. Even flipping one state would cut the margin needed for the number of electors to change their minds.

    • safari

      They won’t. It is not in the party’s nature.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I know that that’s why they get pooped on.

        • The Return of Traxley

          And then go back to their corner and sit quietly with the faces to the wall.

      • The_Wretched

        And they suck for being that way.

    • Goodboy

      Didn’t we already go through that with Al Gore?

  • TimCA

    Trump has no popular mandate to govern!

    • safari

      It’s funny you think he’s going to govern.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        What’s really funny, is that none of this is.

        • safari

          I wouldn’t know, dear. I’ve disconnected from my feelings.

      • The Return of Traxley

        Rule. Or reign. Whatever.

        • Bared Bear

          Toe May Toe… Tuh Mah Toe… Guillotine… Bragging Peen. It’s all the same.

    • AW

      It’s funny that you think those elected will care.

      • The Return of Traxley

        Kellyanne has already said that because the senate, the house, and the majority of state legislatures and governorships are republican, that counts as a mandate. Press her any further on that and she turns into a snarling beast.

        • moebym

          But my dear (gag) KellyAnne, Democrats actually received more HoR votes. It’s thanks to gerrymandering that the Republicans are able to win large House majorities.

          • The Return of Traxley

            That’s not what she thinks is true. It’s obviously because the Democrats are so out out of touch with working class Americans who want an end to the failed policies and divisiveness of the Obama administration. And Donald Trump has proved himself able to to do, as well as be a wildly successful businessman. AND DON’T YOU DARE ASK HERE ANYMORE ABOUT IT AGAIN OR SHE’LL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF.

          • Goodboy

            I agree with Kelly Ann. Donald Trump has shown time and time again that he’s for the working class. Snark.

          • The Return of Traxley

            And is the best friend to blacks and “the gays.”

          • Dwight Williamson

            You do realize Kelly Anne Fitzgerald and her now husband,Lawyer Conway were responsible for harassing the Clintons in the 90s and he is the attorney that made sure the cum stained little blue dress got in the proper hands. Lifetime of hate, if she got hit by a Manhattan taxi I would shed no tears!

        • JB

          Nothing a little Thorazine wouldn’t take care of

          • The Return of Traxley

            She could mainline fentanyl and it would just mellow her out a teensy bit.

        • AW

          She’s not always a snarling beast? Totally thought she was.

          • The Return of Traxley

            She gets worse when real journalists do their jobs. She loathes truthseekers.

  • AW

    This is how democracy finally ended. The actual popular candidate won but our screwed up way of doing things fucked us all over. FUCK YOU ELECTORAL COLLEGE YOU ARE A GARBAGE NIGHTMARE.

    • moebym

      Because fuck California and New York – your votes and your concerns don’t mean shit, and you ain’t true ‘Muricans anyway!

      • AW

        Everyone knows that poorly educated rural farmers are the real Americans.

  • justmeeeee

    In other words, about 10% of the time, the winner of the popular vote doesn’t win the office. Sounds like it might have been part of the plan…

  • GayOldLady

    Heartbreaking!

  • ben

    it doesn’t matter, guys. we aren’t a purely representative democracy and never have been. If you want to focus on this issue, we should all be organizing for a more transparent and reliable system of voting in the states.

  • karen in kalifornia

    Oh well. Thanks for nothing WWC (white working class) in WI, MI, OH, and PA.
    You blew it for everybody because you really don’t want to accept it no longer is the 1950s-70s. Really good read.
    https://hbr.org/ideacast/2016/11/why-the-white-working-class-voted-for-trump

    • safari

      In Moore’s Roger and Me the WWC thought Reagan’s idea of moving to someplace with jobs was great. What’s left didn’t do that.

      • Bared Bear

        I liked Moore’s recent doc of Where to Invade Next… it’s helping me choose which country to flee to when the gay registries and re-education camps start.

    • moebym

      I feel very little sympathy for them. They have known for a long time that old industries were not returning, and they had their chance to adapt. Their refusal to adapt, the economic fallout from that refusal, and their scapegoating of minorities for “stealing their jobs” is no one’s fault but their own.

      • safari

        My major sympathy is that many couldn’t afford to adapt. It takes money that many don’t have. An underwater house is a burden. Some just abandoned their mortgage and moved anyway. (Though the whining from my relatives of “how dare they do this” was amusing considering their situation.)

  • Giant Monster Gamera

    Our system is broken and there is no way to fix it. The only option is amending the constitution, and with conservatives controlling the lower-population states, the outcome would be even worse.

    • Natty Enquirer

      You’re missing the option of revising the way your state chooses its electors. They could be apportioned to the vote instead of awarding ALL of them to one candidate.

      • moebym

        Right. Winning by 50.1% (or 48% to 47% and 5% third party) gives ALL the votes to the majority or plurality winner.

  • Natty Enquirer

    This obsession with the popular vote is unproductive. Either get behind an amendment to abolish the Electoral College, or lobby your state legislature to abolish the winner-takes-all system which favors the two major parties and keeps third parties perpetually out of the running. (Like that will ever happen.)

    • safari

      Instant-runoff for the win

    • Lazycrockett

      The weird thing the states like California and New York haven’t passed the EC must vote with the popular law that other states have in place.

  • Sam_Handwich

    Trump has not won the electoral college vote. They vote on Dec 19.

    • Bared Bear

      I have hope. But not much. It’s down to about 1%. You know… about the same percentage of chance that Trump was projected to win.

    • JuanGalicia

      Oh god… if they hand the election to Hillary it´ll be chaos … him getting into office would also be horrible tho…. to say the least.

      • Bared Bear

        Chaos is what these bastards want. If it has to be chaos at least let it be on our own terms.

      • BudClark

        We laughed at the KKKlown KKKar; but NOW He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named (let us NEVER write or speak his name again!) has appointed the whole goddamn circus to run the government!

    • GayOldLady

      I don’t see it happening. That would cause a crisis in our government like we’ve never seen before. If the shoe was on the foot Trump would totally be trying to undermine the electoral college, but Hillary will not do that. She loves her country too much.

      • Silver Badger

        She should be willing to fight if the actual vote was rigged. Otherwise, I agree with you completely.

      • The_Wretched

        Loving the country is getting a vote we can trust. Screw this ‘peaceful transition of power’ crap. It’s just the same as giving up when they cheated.

        • Bared Bear

          True. Dubya the 1st term just emboldened them to win by any method and scream like a scalded pig if anybody says something.

        • GayOldLady

          The American people can reject the results and take to the streets and demand a recount, but like I told Mr. Tuux, I don’t expect Hillary to challenge.

      • TuuxKabin

        With all due respect, dollingk. We’re in a crisis our government has never seen before, the all out sale of the executive offices, the collusion with Russia, the selection of cabinet members. All the plugs on extremism have been pulled. One Nation One Vote.

        • GayOldLady

          Well, I sure can’t deny that in my lifetime we’re experiencing a crisis in government that I’ve never seen before. Just not sure there’s anything now, short of a total and visible display of rejection of the election results by the American people , that would or could right this ship. I don’t think Hillary will challenge the election.

          • TuuxKabin

            I think you are correct in that. Hillary has the country and citizens more in mind than going with the urges to challenge results, as obvious as they are. She knows and we know, she won. She won. I’ve never gone to bed and waken the next day, with the same nightmare occurring.

  • Chuck in NYC

    Stolen election. I don’t care what the rules are, this was stolen.

    • safari

      The voting irregularities do raise some eyebrows. (Not Melania’s, though. I think she had those muscles surgically removed.)

      • Natty Enquirer

        Naw, they’re just Botoxed to death.

  • DoctorDJ

    RIGGED!

    • safari

      Bigly

    • Bared Bear

      Trump was projecting when he said that it was rigged.

      • The_Wretched

        I wondered at that quite a bit.

        • MonochromeMouse

          So far he’s been guilty of pretty much every scandal he accused Clinton of, He had a private server with links to the Russian government, He has financial ties to the same countries he said prove that Hillary is crooked because the Clinton Foundation got donations from there, He has been accused of sexual harassment and sexual assault multiple times while bringing Bill Clinton’s accusers to the debates in order to show that things he might have done are somehow his wife’s fault. Why wouldn’t he also rig the election while yelling that Crooked Hillary and the DNC are going to steal it from him?

      • Ton Layton

        That’s the tactic of abusers: accuse others of what you’r’e doing. It’s sort of like those super-jealous types who accuse a person constantly …because they’re the one actually doing the things they’re supposedly against.

        “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull$hit.”

      • blackstar

        I thought the same thing all along!

  • justme
    • AW

      OMG! Is this actually the mirror universe in Star Trek?!

      • justme

        🙂

  • Mike__in_Houston

    I really wish that Hillary would ask for recounts in those several states that were close and where there is evidence that the vote has been manipulated. I’m not even asking that she say at this point that she definitely would take the office if it turned out that she was the winner. She has to be exhausted, since I have been more than exhausted since a month or so before the election, and I honestly wouldn’t blame her if she just told the country to go to hell after all that the media put her through. Not to mention that, given all the true crazies out there, there will almost certainly be a major blowup, if not indeed a civil war, if it turns out that she was the actual winner and indicated her intent to take office, and I hate to say that that terrifies me, but it does.

    I just think it would be wonderful if it could be said that she won both the popular and the EC vote, and it would be something great to hold over the heads of Trump, Pence, Ryan, et al. for the next four years as part of our battle against their intent to destroy the country by any means possible. But if she is going to ask for those recounts, she has to do it in the next few days; by next Wednesday, the opportunity will have passed in all of the states in question.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      True. At the very least, it would really piss off Trump and be something we can rub in the Trumpeteers’ faces over and over again. It would destroy the idea that they have any sort of mandate.

      • Mike__in_Houston

        That ship done sailed, even if there are no recounts relating to her electoral college votes. Nope; no mandate at all. The popular vote has already shot that theory all to hell and then some. Sorry, Ryan, not that I think you’ll stop repeating that latest lie of yours…

    • moebym

      Today, for one of the states. Friday for another, and next…Monday?…for the third. Forget the exact ones, though.

      • Mike__in_Houston

        I thought Wednesday was the deadline for one of the states, but that is just my recollection of what I read on here late last night. Or maybe that person meant Wednesday as in today.

        • moebym

          Yes, 11/23.

    • Ross

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7f9197a9315eb65625be53db907e9d1d3be4c2e236e7d31a161898460c3201c4.png

      Occam’s Razor:

      “The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.”

      On November 8, I watched the unfolding results with horror.

      HOW could this be happening?

      HOW could every single credible pollster be so wrong? This had never happened before.

      HOW could every single credible forecaster be so wrong? This had never happened before.

      HOW could Hillary lose when she had so many demographic groups hugely favoring her?

      HOW could Hillary lose when early voting hugely favored her?

      HOW was this all possible? It made no sense.

      The more I thought about it, only one explanation came to mind which explained it.

      Donald was at least right about one thing: The election would be rigged. But in his favor.

      And now this:

      Computer scientists urge Clinton campaign to challenge election results

      http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html?sr=twCNN112316hillary-clinton-challenge-results0241AMVODtopLink&linkId=31471050

  • tcinsf

    Wow. With about 200 million registered voters, that’s 1%, and I don’t think that’s an insignificant number.

    • OdieDenCO

      it’s even larger (1.5%) when you consider the total votes cast are only around 130 million.

  • Luis De California

    Here are California’s remaining votes. LA, San Diego County will send her flying even further ahead while my own Imperial County will vote for her like crazy. Also, last I read, she flipped Orange County.

    http://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/statewide-elections/2016-general/unprocessed-ballots-report.pdf

  • JaniceInToronto

    So will this amount to anything favourable, or is it just vote masturbation?

    • the people don’t really have any other options than voting. petitions mean little, i’m not sure i can even think of the last time a petition drive changed something very important, politically speaking. our problem right now is most the deep fear all politicians from all parties have, at the idea that the EC should always reflect the will of the whole nation’s majority voters. a lot of electors from sparsely populated red states love the fact that they wield so much power, and their loyalty is bought by their respective parties with various methods ranging from the honest and legal to the unethical.

      now that we have so many people asking questions about the voting machines we use, maybe the popular vote will mean something again. i doubt it, cause the murkin people wated too long to listen to the voices in the wilderness telling them, “one day you’re really going to regret letting republican owned companies built your voting machines.” that day is here, my friends. they used a very effective slowly boiling frog trick on the voters and it worked. and now that it has? voters are coming to realize that the idea that the EC is there to protect the true will of the electorate is a sad joke and not at all reflective of reality.

      tldr: no.

    • ultragreen

      It’s the latter.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    I think that this is going to create even more impetus for Coast!Exit or Calexit.

    • Luis De California

      Westxit please, but New Mexico and Colorado can come with us, I feel bad that they are islands. Hopefully Arizona flips next time so they won’t be alone and we’ll have 11 more points under our belt.

      • billbear1961

        Don’t forget Hawaii, NY and New England, NJ, Philly and Pittsburgh, Maryland, Delaware, DC, northern Virginia, southern Florida, Illinois–a “Blue” Confederation loyal to the TRUE spirit of the Constitution and GENUINE democracy, in loose confederation with Canada, perhaps, if Canada can be persuaded, or in a free trade environment with Canada, Mexico and the EU!

        • Luis De California

          Poor Minnesota, Illinois separated from the rest. Maybe they could join a Canadian union? 🙂

    • Bared Bear

      The leaves my red southern state to Corexit. Appropriately. Anybody want some delicious gulf shrimp? Don’t mind that weird smell and aftertaste.

      • The_Wretched

        I have to wonder how many people realize the DeepWaterHorizon spill was ‘fixed’ with literal Olympic sized pools of known carcinogens.

        • Bared Bear

          I avoid all seafood from the gulf. Corexit is some bad shit. BP didn’t care how they got rid of the spill. They just kicked the problem down the road to become exponentially worse by putting carcinogenicity into the environment and food chain.

  • billbear1961

    Take a look at this goddamned article in the NY Times:

    A Change.org petition has garnered more than four million signatures urging Electoral College “electors” in some states to ignore the will of the voters and back Mrs. Clinton, reminding them that they could do so without any legal penalty.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=Trending&version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

    We are asking the electors to respect the Will of the People of this entire NATION, who have chosen Hillary Clinton as their president, by favouring her with two MILLION more votes (and counting) than they gave Trump!

    The U.S. Constitution gives the Electoral College the RIGHT to exercise their considered JUDGMENT when choosing a president, and it is their DUTY–one of the major reasons the EC was established by the Founders–to keep demagogues OUT of the White House!!

    And they KNOW that Trump is dangerously unqualified–manifestly UNFIT–for the presidency!

    ” . . . it is fascism when you target specific minorities. It is fascism when you threaten to throw your opponent in jail. It is fascism when you say you would accept the result of the election only if you won. It is fascism when you say you will ban an entire religion from your country. It is fascism when you threaten to sue newspapers who oppose you. It is fascism when you target a judge based on his ethnicity because he disagrees with you.”

    http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/postscript-trump-s-win-a-victory-for-fascism-1.3153469

    It is FASCISM when you encourage your followers to punch protesters in the face!

    In a TRUE democracy MILLIONS are not terrified by a change in government after a general election!

    That this IS the case–that a wave of hate crimes has swept this country since Election Day–tells you all you need to know about this “President-elect,” this pathological liar, swindler, sexual predator and hatemonger, who thinks himself ABOVE the LAW, and about the political party that made him their leader!!

    • billbear1961

      And–Jesus!–I didn’t even mention that Trump may not have won the EC, EITHER!

      Clear winner on Election Day, my ass!

      You must all know, by now, that experts are imploring Hillary to ask for recounts and investigations into irregularities they’ve noticed in the voting in PA, MI and WI!

  • Michael R

    Still looking for evidence of electronic tampering .
    ( Russia )
    Everything just feels wrong about this .

  • EweTaw

    They just called for boarding at the gate. It only took two hours to check luggage and get through security this morning. Not too bad. In four hours and two flights we will be in a lovely Spanish colonial Mexican pueblo with good food, excellent tequila and a spacious suite that promises a tranquil view. The best way to celebrate an American holiday. Felices fin de semana chicos. 🙂

    • Dazzer

      Enjoy 🙂

  • geoffalnutt

    Unfortunately, many people are stupid. Aggressively, in-your-face, loudly stupid. They will be standing righteously (stupidly) amid the smoking ruins. Trump said it himself: “I love the poorly educated.” Here we go.

  • david

    Hillary Clinton is no doubt crestfallen over this turn of events.

  • Amanda B. Rekendwith

    Hillary should announce she’s changing her name to Clinton2.0, in honour of the 2 million + extra votes.
    That’s gotta stick in The Donald’s craw.

    • billbear1961

      Mr. Two-Million-Short, the Predator-in-Chief!

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Unfortunate, but don’t hold your breath on the EC doing anything. It’s pretty much just a ceremonial rubber stamp.

    • billbear1961

      Her Majesty is a rubber stamp in some regards, but HMQ is not nothing!

      The EC has real POWER–fully legitimate and constitutional–if it isn’t afraid to USE IT, and it should use it for one of the MAIN reasons it was established by the Founders: to keep a demagogue OUT of the White House!

      Leaving every other consideration aside for a moment, the NUCLEAR CODES must not fall into that MANIAC’S hands!!

    • billbear1961

      Her Majesty is a rubber stamp in some regards, but HMQ is not nothing!

      The EC has real POWER–fully legitimate and constitutional–if it isn’t afraid to USE IT, and it should use it for one of the MAIN reasons it was established by the Founders: to keep a demagogue OUT of the White House!

      Leaving every other consideration aside for a moment, the NUCLEAR CODES must not fall into that MANIAC’S hands!!

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        I understand it has power, but realistically, it won’t use it.

        That said, I would be THRILLED to be proven wrong.

        • billbear1961

          I have no idea why my post to you was duplicated, J-M!

          Had a lot of trouble with the net yesterday–all kinds of weird problems.

          Came close to asking others if they were having any problems.

  • billbear1961

    If Hillary wins MI, which hasn’t been called yet, that brings her up to 248 and the fascist disgrace down to 290.

    Then, it would be necessary to flip only 22 electors, not 38!

  • Ross

    To me, one of THE most difficult things about the 11/8 disaster is thinking about the pain and devastation and shock Hillary must be experiencing.

    I can’t get this off my mind.

    How can a person survive such a crushing blow?

    My heart goes out to her. I have a desperate desire to hug her.

    And cry my eyes out with her.

    • I honestly think that what made her ideal to run against Trump, to govern as the first woman president, to govern with a hostile congress and a huge chunk of the population — that kind of mettle also makes her ideal to weather this level of body blow. I’d crumble in seconds. Most people would. She can handle it. The great tragedy of 2016 is that she has to handle it.

      • Ross

        I am not sure she is handling it.

        The few post-disaster images I have seen her? She looks ghastly. I have been truly shocked.

        I agree she is incredibly strong. By even a strong person can only withstand so much.

        • jimbo65

          There’s a bit of a thank you Hillary movement going on. People have been sending her handwritten thank you cards. You can mail them to her at one of the personal P.O. boxes. I intend to write her. But kinda hard to compose myself enough to write a heartfelt thanks. If interested in this. I can see about posting the exact address. Will take me a bit of time since I’m on the go right now

    • ultragreen

      I wouldn’t feel bad about the Clintons. They still have their five mansions, and no one is going to prison.

      • Dwight Williamson

        Better get that one in writing or a pardon, as it were!

  • Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania need to be recounted. If the vote was hacked and they actually went to Hillary, she wins the electoral college and not just the popular vote.

    • billbear1961

      Bingo!

  • April

    Thanks America. My vote really didn’t count.

  • Michael

    Awww poor Hillary and her Clintonites.

    Tough pill to swallow, eh?

    Maybe all of you shouldn’t have discounted the Sanders supporters. Guess you guys needed us afterall.

    Sanders 2020; Clinton 0

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I voted for Sanders in the primary but you really think a Trump presidency is a good thing? Trump is going to create such a fucking hole that it’ll take 8 years to dig out of it again just to get back to where we are now. It only pushes Dems rightward NOT LEFT.

      Let me tell you something. The GOP pinch their noses and keep voting for shit they don’t like because they understand game theory better. They have incrementally taken over much of state legislatures, governors and the two sections of our Congress. It’s because of this that they keep winning.

      • Bared Bear

        Sanders himself begged his supporters to vote for Hillary. He knew the score. Sounds like his “supporters” that didn’t vote or didn’t vote for Hillary were not true supporters.

        Edit: BTW I did vote for Bernie in the primary. It was a tough choice because I like both Hillary and Bernie. But you can bet your ass that I voted for Hillary because I kind of liked the idea of not being in a Nazi regime.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          This shit doesn’t make the Dems go left at all. Instead all we get are articles to pay even more attention to the assholes whose minds can’t be changed instead of the faithful base who keep trying to drag this nation AWAY from the 1950s.

        • Michael

          Keep telling yourself that, Bubba.

          A true Sanders supporter would NEVER vote for a criminal like Hillary.

          • grada3784

            No. True Sanders supporters like you prefer guys who settle fraud cases for millions of dollars.

    • Oikos

      Downvoted for stupidity and poor trolling.

      • Michael

        Are we sure this is a site for gay men because I’ve heard better in wit in comebacks from pavement.

        • Oikos

          No one cares what you’ve heard, assplug. Welcome to disqus blocking.

    • Ross

      You are a sad little thing.

      • Michael

        So said the man who wants to go hug his little criminal.

        Dude, go look in the mirror and realize why the GOP is in power.

        • Ross

          Yep, you are a sad little thing.

          • Michael

            Not sad at all, actually.

            Next time you meet the pot and kettle, be sure to keep them company.

    • Michael is a Trump or Russian troll. I highly doubt he is a Sanders supporter. The vast majority of the Bernie people came on board to Hillary, this is why Jill Stein received 1% of the vote nationwide — polls show millennials were Hillary’s strongest supporters by age group, as were voters in college towns like Washtenaw County Michigan (ann arbor U of M and Dane Conty (U of Wisconsin)). Bernie supported Hillary before the convention, at it, and campaigned for her at the end. They were on the same side. Let’s not let others divide us where we should not be divided.

      • Michael

        Wow, Eddi, that logic must have gone you really well in the 3rd grade.

        Lemme know when past high school and we’ll chat about what it takes to make it in the real world.

    • HZ81

      Thanks for putting two in the country’s head.

      • Michael

        Which part aren’t you getting here??? YOU GUYS are the ones responsible for Trump being in power.

        Sanders had tens of thousands supporters waiting for hours to see him. You supported a candidate, and did NOT care, who stole the primary from him. Guess your queen went down in flames.

        • HZ81

          Aw, look how proud of yourself you are for fucking over your country. So cute. And with sexist drivel pouring from your fingertips. Adorbs, and so “revolutionary.”

          • Michael

            Oh I f*cked over the country?

            Go SHOVE IT YOUR ASS.

            YOU GUYS screwed the Sanders supporters over, didn’t give a rat’s ass when your candidate BLATANTLY stole the primary from him and then gave all of his supporters the middle finger thinking there was no way your queen could lose.

            Eat the dirt b!tch.

          • HZ81

            Aw, I see we’re having very adult feelings today. Wrap those conspiracies around you like Linus’ security blanket. Keep that ego warm. It’s obviously more important to you than your country.

          • Michael

            Like I just posted:

            Go flip a coin ten times. What are the chances, you think, it’ll land on heads every time.

            And that, my dear striving to be so ignorant friend, is how a true neck to neck race would work in reality.

          • HZ81

            Ha, reality isn’t your forte. Stick to your conspiracies. They’re more fun to talk about around the Thanksgiving table.

    • Sam_Handwich

      Sanders = not a democrat.

      it’s why he got his balls kicked in the primary

      • Michael

        Oh he did??? Sorry, Bubba, but the primary was rigged and stolen from him.

        There is NO WAY anyone would win every race that is neck to neck. Numbers don’t work like that in the real world.

        I am SO GLAD you guys are in such disappear. You guys are the biggest bunch of assh*les and you and your candidate so deserved to lose.

        • Sam_Handwich

          your tin foil hat is too tight

          and your understanding of electoral politics is too flimsy to waste my time with.

          buh bye

          • Michael

            OK, then.. Go flip a coin ten times. What are the chances, you think, it’ll land on heads every time.

            And, that my friend, is how a true neck-to-neck race would work in the real world.

            Sorry i know numbers. I aced the math part of my SAT, was in the 98% percentile when I clepped out of college algebra and finished first in my class by far on my final exam for my Algebra 2 college course and was one of only 2 people in all of the professors classes who aced that exam.

            So, yes, I know EXACTLY how numbers actually work and there is no chance in Hell they worked without being rigged in the primary.

        • Neal Broverman

          Sanders didn’t win the minority vote. But I guess those people shouldn’t have a say, huh? #trollharder

  • As much as opening a can of worms is something Hillary does not want to do right now, something seems wrong with the vote totals in Wisconsin and Michigan that have Republican controlled governors and legislatures.. Although these alone will not change the electoral college, Pennsylvania added to the total could– but the Governor is a Democrat and the Democrats have enough control to serve as watchdogs here. Still, Arizona and North Carolina are Republican controlled — something is very suspect about this election. Add sophisticated Russian hacking and the prospect of tampered electronic voting machines to the mix, and Democrats, as usual, just sit back and serve as amiable dunces when the Republicans hold all the strings. Yet, Hillary conceded knowing a recount in Pennsylvania would be brutal. Not sure anything can be done now — but there is a good chance this election could have been stolen as 2000 probably was from the Democrats (I live in Palm Beach County, we are convinced the election was stolen from Al Gore here) and 2004 may have been by tampering in Ohio.

    • Talisman

      Before the election, many people were talking about how difficult it would be to hack the election, considering that the voting machines are often different from district to district.

      Since the election, I was thinking about how easy it would be. If it’s connected to the Internet in any way, it’s hackable. There doesn’t have to be widespread hacking, but only hacking in a few districts. Switch a few votes in Miami-Dade county in FL, or in Cleveland/Cincinatti, Detroit, and Milwaukee, while simultaneously flipping votes in some of the rural districts. And, boom, the election has been stolen.

      Not that I’m wearing a tinfoil hat, but this election reveals a failure of the system all around, from the Republican gerrymandering and voter suppression, to a GOP who refused to stop the dumpster; to the media who aided and abetted the dumpster’s candidacy; to Democrats who were too lazy, too stupid, or too angry to vote; to voting machines with questionable security and no means to verify the votes cast.

  • fuow

    All this electoral college nonsense is a waste of time.
    Too few of us voted – a margin which could have been made up had gay men all voted – and now any ‘win’ in the electoral college would look like sour grapes.
    We didn’t bother to vote, now we have to pay the price.

  • andrew

    Clearly Hillary was the peoples choice, but I think your electoral vote count is wrong. I think it was Trump 306 and Hillary 232.

  • ultragreen

    The popular vote count doesn’t matter. Only electoral votes matter in determining who becomes the next president.

  • MarkBuster

    The question of electoral college Vs. 1 person/1 vote should have been addressed during King Bush II. Doing so now is fruitless (for the moment).. but it should energize people to think about the future. And the DNC needs to SERIOUSLY reconsider the super-delegate system, because the millenials ARE NOT falling for it.

  • JT

    Audit the vote!!!

  • JK3

    I couldn’t think of a more just punishment than Donald Trump when it comes to this archaic, undemocratic system.

  • JCF

    Please sign!

    SIGN THE PETITION: Swing states need to audit the presidential vote

    http://act.democracyforamerica.com/sign/audit_the_vote/

    • billbear1961

      Done!

  • JOHN MAYOR

    See, http://www.globalresearch.ca/jill-stein-just-called-green-party-filing-for-recount-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/5558662… for some added detail! Enjoy!
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    Apparently!… December 19 is a looooong way away!! Oh!… and pass this on!
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    Please!… no emails!

  • JOHN MAYOR

    P.S.: Re the globalresearch story, see, “Jill Stein Just Called…”, in the window on the left! I don’t know why the URL didn’t specifically LINK to the just aforenoted story! Apparently!… and unlike JMG, wherein I can both go back to a specific story through a URL, AND, look at an “Archived List”!… when a blog/ story is Posted by globalresearch, it gets “shuffled” to their “story archives window” for subsequent review! It’s rare!!… but, it sometimes happens!
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    Please!… no emails!