NORTH CAROLINA: Right Wing Group Files Lawsuit To Delay Counting Of Ballots As Roy Cooper Holds Lead

The Raleigh News & Observer reports

The Civitas Institute, a conservative organization in Raleigh, has filed a federal lawsuit to delay a final count of ballots in the November election. The suit is over same-day registrants, the more than 90,000 people who registered to vote and voted on the same day during the early voting period prior the Nov. 8 general election.

Civitas says in its lawsuit that there’s not enough time between their registration and the State Board of Elections counting their ballots for the local county boards of election to verify applicants’ addresses. County boards mail new applicants notices to verify their addresses. The process takes up to 30 days if the boards act promptly, the lawsuit says.

The Civitas lawsuit comes as Gov. Pat McCrory’s campaign alleges voter fraud as he trails Democrat Roy Cooper in the vote count. The State Board of Elections is meeting Tuesday to decide what guidance to give local boards of election as they count ballots McCrory is contesting. Democrats are pressing McCrory to concede.

The New York Times and Slate have both floated the possibility that McCrory’s cronies will attempt to have the GOP-dominated state legislature declare him the winner. Yesterday the News & Observer noted that while both outlets are correct in saying that by North Carolina law such a move is “not reviewable” by state courts, it’s very likely that federal courts would “take a hard look” at the decision.

  • PickyPecker
    • William

      From now on, his name is Veruca McCrory.

      • clay

        “Old Salt” to his intimates.

  • Lazycrockett

    Even NC’s Board of Elections is over this horse shit.

    • TrollopeReader

      you can only use so much manure before the fields burn ….

  • Michael R

    … and make the NBA pay for it !

  • Blake Mason

    I know there are good people there…. But fuck NC.

    • vtdave

      “good people”??? Remember that the people of NC voted in a Rethug supermajority knowing well what kinds of legislation they would pass. Those “good people” haven’t pressured the legislature to repeal HB-2 because that’s what they wanted them to pass. Deplorable supermajority of a-holes. Bigoted pricks. Call it what you want. So yeah, fuck NC!

      • Blake Mason

        not all of them… we still have to look out for our brothers and sisters there… and everywhere else.

  • HZ81

    McCory is one thirsty bitch, but even Mimi ImFurst figured out when to let it be.

  • Oh’behr

    In other words, Civitas and McCrook want to cheat to win. No Surprise.

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      Cheating is the republican way!
      God bless amerikkka!

  • Gustav2

    OT a bit:

    “Look, I’m as progressive as anybody, okay? But people in the heartland thought the Democratic Party cared more about where someone else went to the restroom than whether they had a good-paying job. ‘Stronger together’ doesn’t get anyone a job.”

    — Mahoning County, Ohio Democratic Party David Betras, quoted by the Washington Post.

    They still believe it was just a “Bathroom Bill”

    • Lazycrockett

      I was just reading that and the problem with the rural america folk is that they STILL think that manufacturing jobs are coming back, and refuse to be re trained, cause “these people would rather use back hoes and throw concrete blocks instead of being white collar.” Keep sticking your head in the ground idiots. So basically these people would rather be lied to and given false hope instead of growing the fuck up and changing their situation.

      • Gustav2

        And have to live in white rural areas, they can’t move to where a job is.
        (all kinds of icky people are there)

        • thatotherjean

          Also, they don’t have the money to move anywhere, or the skills to get a job if they did move (I am one generation removed from these folks–my mother had the sense to get out when she was young–but I have plenty of cousins in this boat).

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            I’d actually vote to fund a moving fund but if they refuse to move, it won’t work.

          • Gustav2

            We have asked if we could help some of my in-laws relocate. They won’t leave. One niece married and lived in an outer exburb…but that was too close to the evil city. She moved her family so now her husband commutes twice as long everyday. And she has an associates degree he has a bachelor’s.

            BTW they are not religious, but the city is evil.

          • thatotherjean

            Yeah, there is still a huge rural/urban divide in this country. Unfortunately, cities are where the jobs tend to be. Being a city-oriented person, living in a smaller city between two larger ones, I don’t get it, and have no idea how to convince my relatives that it isn’t what they think.

          • Gustav2

            You can see the whites of their shocked eyes when we wave to the nice black family when we are sitting on our front porch.

            The visit is over when we say the family is Muslim and the kids run over to say, “Hi!”

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            I don’t get this non-moving thing since the freaking West was taken over by people moving from the East. I’m all “Pa Ingalls, he moved around A LOT. And he didn’t have a damn car or pick up truck. He didn’t get rich off it at all but he was wiling to move.”

          • Gustav2

            It is about race, religious bias, and homophobia.

            The Teabaggin’ counties in Ohio have been telling the press that in code words since 2010. My in-laws have been telling me since 1985.

          • NancyP

            Some of it also is a genuine attachment to the land. If a farmer has managed to make it through various crises, often with the help of a regular non-farm job, chances are they may not want to leave the land.

          • Gustav2

            If someone is actually farming, I agree with you. The majority of folks in rural Wyandot County do not farm the land, it is leased or sold. They live on a postage stamp sized parcel of the old farm. Even the guy who lives across the road from the in-laws. He and my husband work together on his parents century farm summers. He has sold, too. His son lives in the Old Victorian, he built a new home next door.

            When we drive the few miles off the main highway to the husbands parents house, there is not one farmhouse along the way occupied by anyone who still farms the land around them.

            Chances are the families who have been there for generations do not want to leave the 4 acres they still have and they can’t sell the house…because no one wants it, even their kids.

          • sword

            The West was ‘won’ by people who were adventurous and believed that by leaving they could build a better life for their families, by moving away from their conservative stick-in-the-mud relatives. Those ‘poverty pockets’ are the remnants of those who stayed behind. It doesn’t matter if you believe in Darwinism or not. The Earth circles the Sun, regardless of what you believe.

        • Gene

          in reply to Butch and Gustav2, its, well…a bit more than that. I am from one of those places. one of those towns. Its much more like life in the old country (and Most Spanish unemployed wont move to Germany either..nor slovenes to France, etc). People have lived in that town for 8, 9, 10 generations. Their parents, who are elderly (and its ANATHEMA to ‘put them in a home’) are there. their culture, their whole lives, their…IDENTITY, is tied to that place. People still ask, and I have not lived there since I was 18, almost 30 years, “when are you coming home?”. I am an investment banker. I mention that I could not really do that there, and people, mostly older folks, say “I understand..people have to leave to make a living (I…do a bit better than just that) but, we could find you a job here, when your ready”. that I dont WANT to live there, never occurred to them. That I am happy living elsewhere is as strange to them as being told I breath with gills. Think of Hobbits outside of the Shire. Yeah, there is the whole of middle earth out there, but, its not the hobbit hole you know..love..is a PART of you. My moms boyfrield lived 40 years away, and when he retired, he moved back from Ohio the next DAY. they do not want..will not, move, save to prevent actual starvation. They decorate the graves of dozens of ancestors on memorial day, and, want to do so next year, and the year after.

          Trump lied and said they could.
          Of course they bought it.
          if he offered you, promised you, your fondest dream, and you WANTED to believe it…you would also.

          I dread their reactions if he does not provide them all they want. They are saying (on Politico) that they will give him “a long time..a lot of time, to get things done. 4, 6 months, maybe even 8 months or a whole YEAR”.
          People I know have said the same to me.

          • Gustav2

            Very, very few decorate graves on Memorial Day, only the VERY old do that…like your Mom’s boyfriend if he is still alive. Yes I’ve been in a rural Ohio county for 30 years on every fricking Memorial Day, We did it the first year after his Dad’s death and later the next year after his Mom’s death. Less than 5% of the graves were decorated and the plastic flowers on the next grave site over were from last year.

            Stop the nostalgia with Norman Rockwell pictures in your head. And that Rockwellian Thanksgiving grandmother we all know bringing the turkey to the table? She died in the 1960’s, One of her decedents still lives in the farmhouse, but the land is leased out or sold to Big Ag. They don’t farm anymore. All the farming co-ops have closed, they would have no support if they did.

            And in exurbia, these are the children and grandchildren of 1970’s White Flight. First to the suburbs, then to the exurbs and rural small towns for cheaper homes. They really have no contact with “the land.”

            Until we get rid of this Real American Rural Nostalgia, they will be doomed to more years of no jobs and heroin abuse.

            PS the John Mellencamp Farm Aid stuff in the early 1980’s signaled the end of the people you describe. His music of that era was a Requiem.

          • thatotherjean

            I get that, Gene. My great-great-great grandfather moved from North Carolina to Jackson County, Georgia, in 1790, because he was awarded land in a land lottery open to Revolutionary War veterans. A huge number of his descendants are still there, and have no intention of moving, short of starvation, and maybe not then.

            Place, ancestry, family–they’re all so much more important than people who don’t have those mental ties understand. It’s only when they imprison people and rob them of opportunities to do better for themselves that they’re a problem. This is one of those times.

      • Butch

        I believe that it was in Kentucky, where the federal government offered retraining and relocation assistance to displaced coal miners, and was rewarded with a participation rate of 0.5 percent (not a typo).

      • Oikos

        These same idiots who want the jobs to come back have no problem buying shit at Wal-Mart made by slave labor.

        • Gustav2

          And allowing the mom and pop stores on Main Street die. And they know the mom and pop.

        • Friday

          Not everyone who shops there is an idiot, some just have nowhere else left to go, and it’s not just about the stores. People have to buy crap cause they can’t get what lasts and people can’t buy what lasts cause they can’t afford it unless enough of us are *making what lasts.*

          • Oikos

            If you complain about big govt and lack of jobs yet still shop at Wal-Mart you are an idiot.

            ” a single Walmart Supercenter cost taxpayers between $904,542 and $1.75 million per year, or between $3,015 and $5,815 on average for each of 300 workers.”

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/04/15/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-in-public-assistance/#123d54207cd8

          • Friday

            Well, *that’s* definitely idiotic, the complaining that way, …just ‘other places you can afford to shop’ are pretty damn thin on the ground. Most of the local stores to support are long-gone, in favor of some high-end boutiques and a couple of thrift stores that tend to be pretty much the same crap *used,* …it’s not exactly a world replete with consumer choice, and the ‘mom and pop’ operations are long gone already. Even most of the smaller chains.

          • Oikos

            Most of these complainers are trump voters who think gubmint is evil but don’t have a clue that not only are they buying from Wal-Mart but also paying for its employees to eat and have a place to live.

          • sword

            But when Trump, et al, are finished, WalMart workers won’t have anything to eat and no place to stay. Unless they are management.

      • Friday

        Frankly, the idea there’s a ‘white collar’ job for everyone was always a Republican mirage anyway.

        Not that the Republicans will do anything but the opposite, but we *do* need more than a real estate and financial sector with a ‘service economy’ below it. We just can’t have it with corporate feudalism trying to take more and give less eternally until they outsource everything to sweatshops and use *that* as an excuse to cut education more.

      • NancyP

        I don’t blame anyone for wanting to stay in a small town, and I think that traditional small farmers were screwed royally in the farm crisis 2 decades ago. Lots of farmers lost their farms. There have been some successful specialty farmers, though. It takes a little time to develop skills, but there are people growing organic vegetables for regional restaurants, a few guys growing nothing but mushrooms, a goat farm with award winning cheeses.

        Nothing wrong with being in the construction trades – the Dems kept trying to get highways repaired, but the Republicans did their best to stop infrastructure repair.

        • Gustav2

          The beginning of Farm Aid was in 1985. 3 decades ago and that was after many, many had already lost or sold their farms.

    • Blake Jordan

      That is why Bernie had so much appeal in those types of states…

      Like Donnie, Bernie made it mostly about straight, white people and expected the minorities to just fall in line behind the democratic candidate.

      Sec. Clinton had too much faith in straight, white people and expected them to do the right thing, even if they weren’t the ones being near exclusively targeted by the campaigning!!!

      • Gustav2

        In his latest statements, Bernie still is about straight white people.

        • Treant

          If you haven’t watched them re-fighting the primary wars on DailyKos, do so. It’s kind of entertaining.

          However, don’t expect Bernie to carry the flag for the Democratic party regardless (as neither will Hillary). Both came out of the primaries damaged, and Bernie never recovered from that with his waffling will he or won’t he actions before the Convention.

          Besides, he’s ancient. There’s no way he’s running in 2020.

          • Lazycrockett

            I was half listening to NPR yesterday and someone had interviewed Obama and was asking bout who is the future candidates of the party and granted he couldn’t remember the guys name but he did mention the gay mayor of South Bend IN. His name btw is Pete Buttigieg.

          • Butch

            Some of the discussions on Kos have been pointless lately, to put it mildly. The election forecast there is already busy babbling away about 2018. I had to leave that site for a while.

    • TrollopeReader

      Gee, I kinda thought that “stronger together” went pretty well in WWII, the Union side of the War of Southern Aggression, and the like.

      Stronger together got us to the moon …

      • Oikos

        You thought. That is the difference.

        • TrollopeReader

          it’s a bad habit …i’m trying to stop doing it. really.

          /s

      • PickyPecker
      • Gustav2

        If anyone has forgotten, Ohio here.

        They don’t want to be ‘together’ with us in anyway. We in the metro areas are The Other. LGBT, Blacks, Hispanics, Immigrants, Muslims, etc. are The Other. They stay in their all white areas because they don’t want to associate with us.

        But WE have to get them jobs.

        • Ray Butlers

          That’s 100% correct. It’s the reason for exurban sprawl.

    • Lazycrockett
      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        Black people moved out of the South to find opportunity elsewhere after the Civil War. Tech people move to Silicon Valley because that’s where it is right now. Roman soldiers moved across the damn European continent. Moving to the job is what people have done throughout history.

        I would move if jobs shifted elsewhere. I KNOW what it’s like when a company shuts down an entire department and you have to hop around for a job. So this bullshit about refusing to move one’s ass to be employed is enraging. Who the fuck do they think they are?

        Immigrants move to a different COUNTRIES and learn new languages to get jobs. Then the Trumpteers wonder why people hire immigrants over people who can’t be fucking bothered. Employers know immigrants are freaking motivated.

        They want all the money and self-respect working give one but refuse to do any of the prep. Maybe companies refuse to move near them because they know they’re going to get people who’ll do a shit job and then blame everybody including their manager and they’ll REALLY blame the boss if the boss is darker. What Fortune 500 company in their right mind wants to deal with that?

      • Friday

        That’s got a lot to do with economic warfare against the Blue states and the housing/real estate bubble, honestly. The cost of living’s still just too damn high back home in a lot of cases and as much as the companies have had real problems in Red states trying to get people to want to move with them to shittier labor states, that’s still a factor. Wouldn’t be down here myself if my sweetie’s department hadn’t moved to a university that offered incentives, then suddenly cut the budget. But there’s still a lot of companies pushing entry-level jobs down here.

      • NancyP

        Working age people actually moving TO Arkansas?

        • TrollopeReader

          most of the Arkansans i know moved to TX ….

    • Circ09

      And that perception is largely ‘our’ and the Democrats fault. We have to stop letting the GOP and Xtians frame the debates. We have to set the soundbites and narratives for the mainstream media to pick up.

    • Friday

      They still believe it wasn’t the Right making a snit about bathroom non-issues as an excuse for broad-based oppressions such as the voters had already rejected in the first place.

    • Librarykid

      Yeah, well they choose what they want to believe, cafeteria style, just like with the Bible.

    • SoCalGal20

      This is bullshit. Vox has a very interesting article about who tipped the balance for Trump. It was white people with lower education, and points to it being more culture-based than economic-based. Basically, lower-educated whites (and whites in general, lbr) are more bigoted and xenophobic and and want an authoritarian type like Trump to keep the brown and black and gays away from them.

      http://www.vox.com/world/2016/11/22/13702842/donald-trump-working-class-whites

      • Gustav2

        I have been saying that since the election, but what do I know about rural counties in Ohio?

        Hubby dragged me to the in-laws every other weekend for 30 years.

      • jsmukg

        THIS, a trillion times. You can’t fix stupid.

  • Tom in Lazybrook

    My understanding is that Civitas is basically the hip pocket think tank of McCrory’s former Finance Chief, Art Pope.

    • JoeMyGod

      According to Wiki, Civitas is “primarily funded” by Pope’s family.

    • Friday

      I’d give a lot if someone would pass my “Stop Calling Things the Opposite Of What They Are Or Get Smacked Really Hard In the Head Act.” Civitas. Really, now.

  • Butch

    They really hate democracy, don’t they?

    • Xuuths

      And minorities. Don’t forget the racism with their lack of patriotism.

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    • Nasty Girl Brianna

      Lie, cheat, steal. That’s the party of “morals” for you.

      • TrollopeReader

        you betcha!

  • thatotherjean

    “This is the song that never ends
    Yes it goes on and on my friend
    Some people started singing it
    Not knowing what it was
    But people kept singing it just because

    This is the song that never ends. . .”

  • Blake Jordan

    He is so pissed that the voter suppression managed to give the state to Donnie, but not to him!!!

    Ha fucking ha!!!

    • William

      Trump voters went out of their way to vote against McCrory.

      • Blake Jordan

        That’s what is surprising me…

        Donnie’s “social plans” are like Pat’s on steroids… so why did enough of those who votes for Donnie, reject Pat…

        • Circ09

          If the Trump voters like Donnie’s social plans then why did so many around the country also vote in large numbers to increase the minimum wage, legalize marijuana and pass better gun control?

          • Blake Jordan

            In which states did those “positive” votes take place, i.e. any of the non-blue states?

        • William

          Money. They can see firsthand the damage MrCrory has done to the state’s economy. Too bad they can’t extrapolate what Trump will do.

        • Because Trump lied to them and they believed him. Nobody believes McCrory.

        • bobbyjoe

          Yes, curious question. Let’s see… Hillary wins the popular vote by what’s looking to be a rather astounding 2 million or more votes. Pretty much 90% of the polls, prognosticators, bookies, etc. were predicting a Hillary win. Russia continually inserted itself throughout the election, with hackers getting into all sorts of systems that were thought to be safe. Rightwing media, back when they believed the election was rigged against Trump, went out of their way to make a case that while it would be incredibly difficult to hack election results nationally, doing so in certain states was much more conceivable. There are very odd results in some states, like the one you mention, where one would presume more of those voting for Trump would also have voted McCrory.

          And, yes, I know this is craaaazy conspiracy theory. But nobody– and I mean nobody– not the media or seemingly anyone else, is even asking a pretty obvious question.

          To believe in conspiracy theories, one must believe in wild, unrealistic ideas. But, are they any wilder than what it takes to suppose that: 1) Hillary got significantly big numbers, but virtually only in non-swing states 2) Pretty much everybody except a few outliers was completely wrong in predicting the election 3) Russia did a lot of verified tampering during the election, but respectfully stopped when it came time for the actual election 4) rightwing media was wrong (okay, that one’s a given) 5) Trump voters were like “hey, but when it comes to the NC governor, I’m not voting for the angry white guy; I’m voting for the Democrat who defends transgender rights”

          It’d just be nice if somebody stood back and said: “y’know what? This all looks a wee bit strange.”

          • Y’know, there is increasing evidence that the election results in several states may have been hacked by the Russians to deliver narrow Trump victories. This is serious and merits immediate investigation.

          • Well, that and the states where Clinton unexpectedly underperformed by a substantial margin were the ones where the governor or other politicians were boasting about how well their multiple voter suppression efforts were working.

  • Paula

    I kinda’ hope he keeps up his spiteful, bitter behavior for a while….Oh, shit, never mind. The voters would not see how stupid his actions are.. They are too stupid.

    • TrollopeReader

      that’s “stoopid” ….. !!

  • William

    Crybaby bastard.

  • Bared Bear

    My husband had said to me after Trump had somehow won that we all just thought that the Civil War had ended. But it had never ended. It just went secret, hushed, and underground. This is not just an election for them. This is a war.

    • Friday

      I kept saying that about Teabagers in the Rust Belt, they aren’t playing to win over America, but to *destroy most of it as enemy territory.*

  • Dirk Prophet

    Votes interfere with the GOP plans for our democracy.

  • Clive Johnson

    Conservatives want a constitutional convention to rewrite our founding document. They realize that this is their last chance politically to install a right-wing, Christianist, racialized, anti-LGBT hierarchical order on the country, before demographic changes shut them out of power in the coming years.

    In order to do so they need one more state, if I understand this correctly, for this to be possible. Losing North Carolina will put this out of reach a little bit more.

    This might explain in part their desperation to steal this election from Cooper.

    • Bared Bear

      I hope this is truly their last chance. I had thought that the failures of the Dubya years had killed off these nuclear hungry cockroaches. Obama was such an awesome respite even with that dire midterm-election turnover that turned congress over to the teabaggers. I’ve lost count of the times I thought would certainly be their last chance. I had too much faith in Americans.

      Whenever the light would shine, they used to hide so we never really knew their true number. Now they’re no longer afraid of the light. I just hope this isn’t OUR last chance.

      • Clive Johnson

        I really think that permanent changes in attitudes and values have taken place on some things, in particular on LGBT issues.

        I’ve come across sociological research stating the indicators of prejudice show an ongoing decline over the years. Then there’s the fact that most young people are being exposed to black, brown, female, trans, and gay faces in media like never before. This is normal for them and they shake their heads at older people who are threatened by this. One statistic I saw showed majority support for SSM among Republicans under 30. Then there’s the huge shift away from Christianity toward various forms of non-religious beliefs.

        It seems to me, and hopefully I’m not being Pollyannish, that there’s little the right-wing thugs can do about these cultural shifts, even though they might do plenty of damage legislatively. They’re a cornered animal that still has plenty of fight in it. But we have more.

        I don’t mean for any of this to be an implicit call for complacency. On the contrary I think every person who believes in equality and social progress and ethical advance and human rights needs to go all fucking out in the next few years, doing everything possible to resist and replace this right-wing horror show with a higher vision of the kind of world we want to live in.

        • Friday

          The out-and-out racist Christofascism glass was one they could only break once. There’s going to be damage, but don’t let em forget it.

  • Megrim Twist

    Dirty McCrory get the fuck OUT!

  • Gene Perry

    Sorry, McC, but you lost. Time to concede. Hillary lost (& I’m sure that she’s completely pissed off losing to tRump), but she was gracious and conceded. McC … grow a pair, and concede.

  • jimbo65

    Gee, too bad he doesn’t have the benefit of an electoral college to save his ass.

  • itsjoe618

    Gotta love the smell of desperation in the morning!

    • Desperation is ok, as long as it doesn’t devolve into them perverting the system so they win.

  • And the funny part is, the more they recount, the bigger Cooper’s lead.

  • EweTaw

    Isn’t deer huntin’ season in North Carolina? Elk? Moose? Something?

    • TrollopeReader

      ‘possum and skunk …..

      • EweTaw

        Even better. Sure hope Mcrory don’t have nohuntin’ accident. He’s taken a gun safety class hasn’t he?

    • NancyP

      Should be whitetail deer season, though I don’t know the NC rut pattern. It’s deer season here in MO, similar climate

  • TexasBoy

    Odd that McCrory didn’t try to change the law allowing same day voter registration in the previous years, if he truly thought it was a serious problem. Or maybe it is just sour grapes.

  • Ninja0980

    Get the fuck out of office Pat.

  • Richard B

    The republicans are positioning to steal the election away from Roy Cooper.
    If they make the case that Roy Cooper won with invalid votes, why would any of the results from the 11/08/16 general election be valid ?
    Everyone needs to make as much noise as possible.

  • JOHN MAYOR

    LITIGATIONALLY VS PETITIONALLY REMOVING THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
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    In even a cursory examination of this outrageous nigh past– though, tentative!– U.S. Election, at the root of the abysmal failure of the U.S. “Electoral System” to achieve a D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C Plurality, is its failure to facilitate the E-S-S-E-N-T-I-A-L D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C R-E-Q-U-I-R-E-M-E-N-T of a “D-I-R-E-C-T E-L-E-C-T-I-O-N”, through a “O-N-E V-O-T-E-R, O-N-E V-O-T-E” Elections System! And due– PRIMARILY!– to the institution of a Republican preferred U-N-D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C “Electoral College”!… with “Electors”, and INDIRECT “Electoral Votes”!
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    Consequently!… given the astounding and P-E-R-V-E-R-S-E Trump “win”, numerous Petitions have now emerged online– at least!– to challenge, and to eliminate the Electoral College! To many Americans– and I suggest, to MOST Americans!– Trump becoming the “President-elect”… and despite losing the “popular vote”!… was– and still is!– A S-H-O-C-K T-O T-H-E C-O-R-E O-F D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y, A-N-D, T-O R-A-T-I-O-N-A-L P-O-L-I-T-I-C-A-L D-I-S-C-O-U-R-S-E! And the situation is reminiscent of the controversial 2000 Presidential race between George W. Bush and Al Gore!… in which Gore won the “popular vote”, but, Bush was elected President!
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    Under the U.S Constitution, until the designated Electors of the Electoral College assemble in their state capitals to place in their votes (and in this present process, on December 19th!)… followed, by a meeting of Congress to affirm the result (and in this present process, on January 6th)!… things are still not fully settled! In most of the country, it’s a “winner-takes-all” system: whoever wins a state’s “popular vote” is awarded all the Electoral votes for that state! The catch is, that these votes are based on a state’s number of Senators and House Representatives!… so, they vary from state to state! It’s more important to win states with a high proportion of Electoral Votes– like Trump taking Wisconsin, and Florida!– than to receive the most votes overall! November 8th’s U.S. vote, was– technically!– not to make Trump the next President, but, to determine who the 538 Electors in the various states across the country will be! It is those Electors who will bear the responsibility of casting the votes that will “legally elect” the next U.S. President (i.e…. and presently!… on December 19th!)! And it is for this reason, why millions of Hillary Clinton supporters… and supporters of “democracy”!… are anxious to lobby Electors, in an effort to trump Trump!
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    And so… this “mysterious victory” has reawakened… of course!… interest in, and has revived tactical approaches to, the elimination of the much criticized Electoral College! And, VEHEMENT criticisms!… and which are not only rife today, but, which have flurished for decades!
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    And, for example, David Boise… a lawyer who represented Gore, in Bush v. Gore, in 2000!… told the New York Times, that he considers the Electoral College a “historical anomaly”! A view, that has been echoed by millions online– at least!– since 2000!… and, by millions more, since November the 8th!
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    However!… the S-O-L-U-T-I-O-N to the evils inhere within this nearly completed U.S. Election, is not to place emphasis on merely changing the minds, and votes, of Electors!… as is currently the case with the Lady Gaga supported Change.org Petition (among other “Elector Lobby” Petitions!)… but, on challenging CONSTITUTIONALLY (and through TORT!… AND, NOW!), the inherent violation of the “Principles of Democracy (i.e., those respective of one’s Democratic Right to a ‘DIRECT ELECTION’, and, to ‘ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE’!)” through the present UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AND TORTIOUS DEFERENCE to the Electoral College in the first place!… and, to the “Colleg(e)al Conventions” that will finally determine who becomes President!
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    Challenging the Electoral College based on a “C-O-N-S-T-I-T-U-T-I-O-N-A-L I-M-P-E-R-A-T-I-V-E” to peg the Electoral College to the “Principles of Democracy”, is as an important consideration for those desiring an end to the Electoral College, as it is for those desiring the beginning of D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C PLURALITIES! If the T-R-U-E “Principles of Democracy” are said (IN A SOUND COURT OF LAW!) to necessitate the B-I-N-D-I-N-G A-D-H-E-R-E-N-C-E of governments to the “popular decisions” of an electorate (R-E A-N-Y E-L-E-M-E-N-T T-H-A-T W-O-U-L-D P-O-R-T-E-N-D A-N E-L-E-C-T-O-R-A-T-E-‘-S G-O-V-E-R-N-A-N-C-E!… and e.g., the Electoral College!)”, then, a CONSTITUTIONAL CHALLENGE (and TORT CHALLENGE!) against an ENTRENCHED MARGINALIZATION of an electorate’s “popular vote” through a “S-L-I-G-H-T O-F H-A-N-D” and “E-N-D R-U-N” around the “Principles of Democracy (e.g., through the Electoral College!)”, would go a long way toward “EXPOSING” what these Electoral mechanisms have been– and are!– all about! And!… MOST IMPORTANTLY!… such a challenge would reveal the veracity (or lack, thereof!) of the claims in support of the Electoral College!
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    The bottom line, is:… ANY ATTEMPT TO UNDERMINE THE B-I-N-D-I-N-G OF THE “POPULAR EXPRESSION” TO A “POPULAR ELECTION” BY WAY OF SOME “POLITICAL CIRCUMLOCUTORY OBFUSCATION (E.G., THE CLAIMS IN SUPPORT OF AN ELECTORAL COLLEGE!)”, SHOULD BE MADE SUBJECT TO “JUDICIOUS” CONSTITUTIONAL (AND TORT!) ADJUDICATION! AND SUCH “COLLEG(E)AL CIRCUMLOCUTORY OBFUSCATION”, SHOULD NOT BE MADE SYNONYMOUS WITH A “REASONED DEFINITION” OF, AND “REASONED APPROACH” TO, WHAT CONSTITUTES THE T-R-U-E “PRINCIPLES OF DEMOCRACY”!
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    In the face of the EVIDENCE that the U.S. Electoral System is a breach of the “Principles of Democracy”!… and, that the process Americans have been about (i.e., involving the Electoral College– at least!) has been a SHAM!… a competent court of jurisdiction could just as easily turn around, and say:… “You know… you guys (Senators and Congresspersons!) have been made WELL AWARE of the CLEAR CONSTITUTIONAL BREACHES inhere within the Electoral College! And so!… YOU ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE!… A-N-D Y-O-U A-R-E N-O-W O-B-L-I-G-E-D T-O A-M-E-N-D T-H-E P-R-O-C-E-S-S, F-O-R-T-H-W-I-T-H (and the stated Conventions of the Amending Formula, N-O-T-W-I-T-H-S-T-A-N-D-I-N-G!… and, the present Conventions and obligations of the Electoral College’s Electoral voting process, N-O-T-W-I-T-H-S-T-A-N-D-I-N-G!)!!… AND TO INSTITUTE WHAT HAS BEEN CALLED FOR BY COUNTLESS JUDICIAL ADVOCATES AND ADVOCACIES, AND, BY SOUND JURIPRUDENCE!!”
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    Of course, the legal machinations to be pursued, depend on what’s being argued before the court, and on how well this is presented!… and– ultimately!– before the US Supreme Court! But!… and for God’s sake– if for no one else’s sake!… Senators and Congresspersons (and America’s top legal minds!– at least!) have been made FULLY AWARE of the “Principles of Democracy”!… and have been made FULLY AWARE of the need to UPHOLD THE “DEMOCRATIC WILL” of the Electorate! And so… it’s not as if these learned political souls would be “blindsided” by a Court’s decision, that these act… AND ACT NOW!… to remedy a centuries-old injustice! Adherence to a Constitutional Amending Formula is of less importance… as is adhering to the present legislated Electoral College’s Electoral Conventions!… than adherence to the CORNERSTONE OF DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS!… THE CORNERSTONE OF DEMOCRACY! All a judge need say, is:… “Cut the cr*p!… and get on with it!”
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    And thus!… concerned Americans– I believe!– must refocus their efforts… FULL EFFORTS!– AND FOREMOST!… ON SEEKING (N-O-W!) TO CONSTITUTIONALLY (AND THROUGH TORT!) TO UPHOLD THE “PRINCIPLES OF DEMOCRACY”! And although Americans are free… of course!… to join in on the lesser “Electoral Lobby” Petitions, the “B-E-T-T-E-R R-E-T-U-R-N” will be from the suggested LEGAL ACTIONS (and through– e.g.– “Crowd Funding”!), and the “Abolitionist Petitions (such as those of MoveOn.org!… and, the like!)”! And!… inasmuch!… as the present ILLEGAL DENIAL of “DIRECT ELECTIONS”, and of “ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE (by way of the very existence of the Electoral College!)”, I-S T-H-E C-E-N-T-R-A-L P-R-O-B-L-E-M!
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    To sum up… the “Equal Protection Clause” is part of the FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT to the United States Constitution! The clause… which took effect in 1868!… provides, that no state shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction, “the equal protection of the laws (and, I’ll add here, Equal Constitutional Protection re the application of the Constitution with respect to the state application of Electoral College Voting, and a state’s elections law that applies to a given Federal Election!)”!
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    A primary motivation for this clause was to validate the “equality provisions” contained in the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which guaranteed that A-L-L P-E-O-P-L-E (and, I’ll add here, ALL AMERICAN VOTERS!… AND REGARDLESS OF THE STATE IN WHICH A VOTER RESIDES!) would have Rights EQUAL to those of A-L-L C-I-T-I-Z-E-N-S (e.g., whatever is afforded in one state pertaining to Electoral College voting, and a state’s elections law that applies to any given Federal Election, SHOULD BE AFFORDED TO A-L-L A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N-S!)! As a whole, the FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT marked a large shift in “American Constitutionalism”, BY APPLYING– SUBSTANTIALLY!– MORE CONSTITUTIONAL RESTRICTIONS AGAINST THE STATES THAN HAD APPLIED BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR!
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    The meaning of the Equal Protection Clause has been the subject of much debate!… and inspired the well-known phrase, “Equal Justice Under Law”! This clause was the basis for Brown v. Board of Education (1954)… the Supreme Court decision that helped to dismantle racial segregation! And!… which also formed the basis for many other Human Rights decisions which/ that REJECTED DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PEOPLE BELONGING TO VARIOUS GROUPS (and I’ll add here, a “hoped-for” future decision:… a state’s discrimination in its application of Electoral College voting, and in its creation and application of its elections law that applies to any given Federal Election, when compared to the creation and the application of such, state-to-state!… AND, DISCRIMINATION WITH RESPECT TO “DIRECT ELECTIONS”, AND “ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE”!)!
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    And despite the said “fact” that the Equal Protection Clause itself applies only to state and local governments, the Supreme Court held in Bolling v. Sharpe (1954) that Equal Protection requirements within the FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT apply to the Federal Government through the “DUE PROCESS CLAUSE” of the FIFTH AMENDMENT! IN OTHER WORDS, EQUAL PROTECTION AND BENEFIT REQUIREMENTS MUST APPLY STATE-TO-STATE, RE ANY ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING, THE CREATION AND APPLICATION OF ANY STATE ELECTION LAW THAT WOULD APPLY TO A GIVEN FEDERAL ELECTION, AND, TO “DIRECT ELECTIONS”, AND “ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE”!
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    Well, folks!… and to cut to the chase!… even in adopting the Conventions of the Electoral College (leaving aside– for the moment!– the issue of “DIRECT ELECTIONS”, and “ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE”!), STATE-RUN ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING, AND STATE-RUN ELECTION LAWS GOVERNING ANY GIVEN FEDERAL ELECTION BY WAY OF THE POWERS GRANTED STATES THROUGH ARTICLE II, SECTION 1 OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION (WHICH GIVES THE STATES EXCLUSIVE CONTROL OVER AWARDING THEIR RESPECTIVE ELECTORAL VOTES!), ARE PRESENTLY IN BREACH OF THE FEDERAL “DUE PROCESS CLAUSE” OF THE FIFTH AMENDMENT OF THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION (AND THEREBY, FEDERAL “EQUAL PROTECTION AND BENEFIT”, STATE-TO-STATE!), IN THAT, THE INDIVIDUAL STATES (BY MERE VIRTUE OF THEIR INDIVIDUAL APPROACH TO ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING, AND THEIR RESPECTIVE CREATION AND APPLICATION OF STATE ELECTION LAWS THAT WOULD APPLY TO ANY GIVEN FEDERAL ELECTION!) S-Y-S-T-E-M-I-C-A-L-L-Y D-E-N-Y C-O-L-L-E-C-T-I-V-E/ U-N-I-L-A-T-E-R-A-L F-E-D-E-R-A-L D-U-E P-R-O-C-E-S-S A-N-D E-Q-U-A-L P-R-O-T-E-C-T-I-O-N A-N-D B-E-N-E-F-I-T T-O A-L-L A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N C-I-T-I-Z-E-N-S, WHEN THE RESPECTIVE STATES’ ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING AND ELECTIONS LAWS ARE COMPARED SIDE-BY-SIDE/ STATE-TO-STATE! BUT, MOREOVER, THIS STATE-TO-STATE BREACH OF FEDERAL “DUE PROCESS”… AND THUS, FEDERAL “EQUAL PROTECTION AND BENEFIT”!… WITH RESPECT TO THE STATE-TO-STATE APPARATUS FOR ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING, AND THE CREATION AND APPLICATION OF STATE-TO-STATE ELECTIONS LAWS, DOESN’T EVEN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE MORE SERIOUS BREACH OF FEDERAL “DUE PROCESS (AND THUS, FEDERAL ‘EQUAL PROTECTION AND BENEFIT’!)”, IN THE DISCRIMINATORY STATE-TO-STATE FAILURE TO FACILITATE “DIRECT ELECTIONS”, AND “ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE”!
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    THEREFORE!… THE O-N-L-Y S-O-L-U-T-I-O-N THAT WILL END THIS STATE-TO-STATE DISCRIMINATION IN THE APPLICATION OF ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING, THE CREATION AND APPLICATION OF RESPECTIVE STATE ELECTION LAWS TO ANY GIVEN FEDERAL ELECTION, AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF “DIRECT ELECTIONS” AND “ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE”, IS THE ABANDONMENT OF BOTH ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING AND STATE ELECTIONS LAWS, IN FAVOR OF THE CREATION OF ONE FEDERAL “DIRECT ELECTIONS, ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE” LAW!… AND, ELECTIONS PROCESS! BUT!… IN LIEU OF, AND IN ADVANCE OF THE LEGISLATIVE DRAFTING OF ANY SUCH LAW, ADVOCATES AND ADVOCACIES WHO/ WHICH CONTEST THE INEQUALITY OF ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING, STATE ELECTIONS LAWS, AND, THE ABSENCE OF “DIRECT ELECTIONS” AND “ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE”, WOULD DO WELL TO E-X-P-E-D-I-T-E T-H-E L-E-G-I-S-L-A-T-I-V-E P-R-O-C-E-S-S THROUGH THE I-M-M-E-D-I-A-T-E I-N-V-O-C-A-T-I-O-N OF THE NECESSARY CONSTITUTIONAL AND TORT MEASURES, T-H-A-T W-O-U-L-D S-E-E T-H-E “J-U-D-I-C-I-O-U-S E-F-F-E-C-T-A-T-I-O-N” O-F S-U-C-H A L-A-W, B-Y W-A-Y O-F A C-O-U-R-T-‘-S R-U-L-I-N-G, T-H-A-T S-U-C-H A L-A-W, I-S “P-A-S-T D-U-E”!!
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    Your courts!… and your communities’ learned legal minds (and Crowd Funding resources!)!… await your calls! And the sooner, the better!
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  • JOHN MAYOR

    Dear FRIENDS of Joe.My.God!… and, those concerned about the potential impact of Trump possessing the White House afterupon the meeting of the Electors on December 19, and the subsequent meeting of Congress on January 6!… I am requesting your IMMEDIATE HELP in communicating the ensuing URL to as many as you can (by way of Tweets, and etc.!), in order to “spread the word” re a new solution that’s being offered up, that could see a different outcome than the one being proffered, and, which/ that could see Hillary Clinton TAKING THE WHITEHOUSE FROM TRUMP!
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    The solution– in part!– is one I’ve communicated below (although!… it does not squarely address the problem of the Electoral College!)! And so… without further (ado)!… the URL, and solution, is as follows… http://www.foxla.com/good-day/good-day-la-experts-and-other-guests/218882862-story
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  • JOHN MAYOR

    Well… ladies and gents (and I assume the gals are reading JMG blogs as well!)!… THE HEAT IS ON! It would appear that the PRESUMED “winner” of the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election is in for a R-O-U-G-H R-I-D-E from here on out to the December 19 meeting of the Electors!… and, towards the meeting of the Congress on January 6! SERIOUSLY! Take a look at this… http://www.blueoregon.com/2016/11/oregon-can-help-abolish-electoral-college-right-now-no-really/ And the JUST AFORENOTED, is in addition to everything I’ve been communicating in the past few days, that would point to clear remedies to defeat this Presidential wanna-be! As it’s said:… “Truth, is stranger than fiction!” And:… “It ain’t over until Adele sings!”
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  • JOHN MAYOR

    Posted: Nov 22, 2016 08:40 PM MST at URL, http://www.kvia.com/news/politics/computer-scientists-urge-clinton-campaign-to-challenge-election-results/180227438
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    Computer experts urge Clinton to challenge election results
    by Justin Sullivan — http://www.kvia.com
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    (CNN) – Hillary Clinton’s campaign is being urged by a number of top computer scientists to call for a recount of vote totals in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, according to a source with knowledge of the request.
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    The computer scientists believe they have found evidence that vote totals in the three states could have been manipulated or hacked and presented their findings to top Clinton aides on a call last Thursday.
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    The scientists, among them J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, told the Clinton campaign they believe there is a questionable trend of Clinton performing worse in counties that relied on electronic voting machines compared to paper ballots and optical scanners, according to the source.
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    The group informed John Podesta, Clinton’s campaign chairman, and Marc Elias, the campaign’s general counsel, that Clinton received 7% fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic voting machines, which the group said could have been hacked.
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    Their group told Podesta and Elias that while they had not found any evidence of hacking, the pattern needs to be looked at by an independent review.
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    Neither Halderman nor John Bonifaz, an attorney also pressing the case, responded to requests for comment on Tuesday evening. Their urging was first reported by New York magazine.
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    There were widespread concerns about hacking ahead of this month’s election, including the Obama administration accusing Russia of attempting to breach voter registration data. But election officials and cybersecurity experts said earlier this month that it is virtually impossible for Russia to influence the election outcome.
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    A former Clinton aide declined to respond to questions about whether they will request an audit based on the findings.
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    Additionally, at least three electors have pledged to not vote for Donald Trump and to seek a “reasonable Republican alternative for president through Electoral College,” according to a statement Wednesday from a group called the Hamilton Electors, which represents them.
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    “The Founding Fathers created the Electoral College as the last line of defense,” one elector, Michael Baca, said in a statement, “and I think we must do all that we can to ensure that we have a reasonable Republican candidate who shares our American values.”
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  • JOHN MAYOR

    See, http://www.globalresearch.ca/jill-stein-just-called-green-party-filing-for-recount-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/5558662… for some added detail! Enjoy!
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    Apparently!… December 19 is a looooong way away! Oopsy doopsy! Oh!… and pass this on!
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  • JOHN MAYOR

    P.S.: Re the globalresearch story, see, “Jill Stein Just Called…”, in the window on the left! I don’t know why the URL didn’t specifically LINK to the just aforenoted story! Apparently!… and unlike JMG, wherein I can both go back to a specific story through a URL, AND, look at an “Archived List”!… when a blog/ story is Posted by globalresearch, it gets “shuffled” to their “story archives window” for subsequent review! It’s rare!… but, it sometimes happens!
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