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Anti-Trump Protesters Plan “Tea Party Of The Left” To Primary “DINO” Moderate Democrats Out Of Office

Politico reports:

The protests that have roiled American cities since Election Day aren’t going anywhere. But rather than Donald Trump, the first political casualties they claim may be establishment Democrats. Leaders of the groups organizing some of the first outbursts of direct action in response to Trump’s surprise election are making plans to take to the streets through January’s inauguration and beyond.

In frantic behind-the-scenes phone calls, text messages and Slack chats, they’re also planning to channel the energy unleashed last week into electoral politics, starting with Democratic primaries, to build what one organizer called a “tea party of the left.”

“Our big goal is to support primary challenges against those Democrats who negotiate with Donald Trump,” said the organizer, Waleed Shahid, a veteran of Bernie Sanders’ campaign who is working for a group called AllofUs, launched in September. The approach mimics that of the tea party, which has used insurgent primary bids to unsettle establishment Republicans and drive the Republican Party rightward. “It gave people in the Republican Party who are upset with the establishment an identity,” Shaid said. “You could be a tea party Republican. We think there’s a lot of power in that.”

Progressive groups are planning to combine that tactic with direct actions like marches and sit-ins to more seamlessly merge an anti-Trump protest movement with electoral politicking. Already, AllofUs — which draws organizers from the environmental group 350.org and the Occupy movement — has organized a candlelight vigil at the White House on Saturday and a Monday sit-in at Sen. Chuck Schumer’s office that resulted in 17 arrests.

Another organizer for the group, Max Berger, said it was in the process of planning additional mobilizations over the next several months. And in recent days, the group’s leaders have participated in informal talks with unions and other standard-bearers of the progressive left about orienting their efforts toward Democratic primary challenges while maintaining protests.



  • Sounds like a great plan, guys.

  • Blake Jordan

    Are they trying to get rethuglicans the power to amend the constitution!?!?!?

  • Elagabalus

    As a lefty, I suppose I should be happy about this, but the truth is, I’m not. When both sides stop trying to reach for the middle and opt for extremism instead the obvious end result is civil war. That’s where we’re heading. Hell, maybe we’re already there.

    • Butch

      The other side stopped trying to reach the middle long ago. The Ds are the ones who have been giving ground. This move is long overdue. I’m in.

      • Elagabalus

        I hear you. When there’s only one adult in a room full of spoiled adolescent brats, it’s tempting to become a brat yourself. I’m just not ready to give in just yet.

      • DaveW

        Not getting it-“the other side” is the same as this group-extremists. If they don’t want to collaborate, you say stop trying. Nonsensical

        • Butch

          Give me any evidence that the GOP is interested in finding any middle ground or compromising. You can only compromise so much before there’s no longer any point in holding a position.

    • Bill_Perdue

      It’s an absurd idea.

      Democrats are not part of the left. The left is anti-capitalist, Democrats and Republicans are pro capitalist and all that entails- attacks on unions and workers, rabid racism, McCarthyism attacks on the Bill or rights and unending wars of aggression to steal oil and land.

      Democrats are all supporters of a right centrist party and the DP is a wholly owned subsidiary of the rich and they’re not going to let a bunch of impotent right centrist reformists take if from them. It’s as silly as Roman ‘liberals’ promoting the ‘reform’ of their Senate.

      There are only two items on the political agenda – how to hasten the demise of the DP and its cousin, the RP and how to build unions and left and a workers state.

      • DaveW

        Yes! Center right. For once you get it!!!! Winning strategy.

  • Treant

    What a terrible idea. While it might work in Vermont (shade, I’m throwing YOU), NH, CA, and WA, it’s a great way of relegating Dems to a permanent Senate and House minority in most Southern and Central states.

    Honestly. You gotta take what you can get and forge the best coalition you can. So don’t count on me to join, it’d be an abject failure in Pennsylvania.

    • PickyPecker

      IL as well.

      • AJ

        I’m not even sure if it would work in Illinois. Mark Kirk was elected the first time around, after all. We’ve also bled some House seats to Republicans. The 12th district down in southern IL was Democratic for decades, but Mike Bost has won it twice now.

        On a state level Madigan couldn’t even use his supermajority when he had it due to blue dog Dems from other parts of the state. Going full left with no room for anything else will probably alienate Chicago even further from the rest of the state.

    • Todd20036

      Actually, it could work in DC, but only because we are cobalt here.

      • Treant

        Sure, and like PP noted, Illinois. New York. New Jersey…on a warm day.

        But not a majority of states.

      • GayOldLady

        And that’s exactly the point! It would work in places that are bright blue, but in places that are more conservative, it would backfire. What the TP did was go into States or districts where they knew their candidates could win. If they go at it with a blanket strategy we will end up with less Dems, not more.

        • Xiao Ai

          It all depends on job access and relocations. What do you think will happen to the Conservative population of places where jobs are unavailable?

          • GayOldLady

            I’m not the person who suggested relocation and I wasn’t addressing relocation. My comment was about challenging democrats who are in very conservative districts.

          • Xiao Ai

            For every action, there’s an equal, and opposite, reaction.

          • danolgb

            Do you only talk in platitudes?

          • GayOldLady

            He has like 20 comments on his Disqus account. There are a lot of people here today who came to stir the pot. We don’t need to be stirred, we’re already hopping mad. Now we have to figure out how to fight back without becoming as hideous as they are.

          • Xiao Ai

            It’s better than to live in them because you choose to live with your head in the sand.

          • Grumpy Old Man

            danolgb – he appears to speak only in platitudes, someone might be trying for a Joe-bot.

          • Xiao Ai

            I prefer canary in the coal mines but, hey whatever floats your boat.

            But, have I harmed anyone? Am I being malicious?

          • Grumpy Old Man

            “No” to both but still I wonder – what love of Austria?

          • Grumpy Old Man

            he appears to speak only in platitudes, someone might be trying for a Joe-bot or maybe a troll who is just phoning it in.

      • Yixing’s Fluffer

        DC needs a functional Green Party to keep Democrats in check more than it needs this.

        (And I actually mean that. One of the tragedies of the Greens is that they throw national elections but don’t bother in cities with corrupt, entrenched Democratic machines which never face any real opposition. The same could be said of Libertarians/Constitution Party in ruby red municipalities/counties.)

      • Circle Thomas

        It would also work in surprising places like Houston. Harris County, Texas, no longer has any Republican elected officials after this past election.

        • McSwagg

          Don’t be so quick to jump to conclusions. Houston/Harris County is more centrist/purple than liberal/left. The GOP lost the races for Sheriff and District Attorney because the GOP incumbents had “performance issues” that made them unpalatable to voters. It is far more likely that voters voted against these incumbents rather than strictly for the Democratic challengers. Yes, Harris County voted “blue” this election cycle, but the county is far from being “solid blue” for the next few election cycles. Any leftist/liberal challenger would likely lose by a wide margin.

    • On the other hand, if a few hundred thousand people from NYC relocated to strategic places in Pennsylvania, it might not have gone Red in 2016.

      • Treant

        True, but good luck with that. People live in the city because they like the city (although politically true-blue, I don’t like cities in the slightest). Most New Yorkers would absolutely hate my area. We roll up the sidewalks at 11 PM.

      • danolgb

        If people hadn’t sat out of the election because they believed Bernie bullshit then it might not have gone red in 2016.

        • Falconlights

          Thank you! My wife and I vote, every election.

          • Xiao Ai

            Perhaps the choices need to be better then.

        • Joseph Miceli

          Yeah I’m sure Bernie is at fault . It couldn’t of been the Republican smear machine that work on Hillary for 30 fucking years and that she never got out from under . There’s just no way it could’ve been that could it? Hillary is a great public servant but it made a wonderful president , it’s too bad her party is full of jackasses you don’t know how to run a goddamn election campaign .

          • danolgb

            Did you miss where Bernie never actually conceded? Or when he started claiming that the primaries were rigged against him? Or that he and his surrogates started using the Republican smear machine talking points? Probably not. Go back and read the Eichenwald piece. How many times did we hear those myths from Bernie supporters, and in fact, Bernie himself?

          • Joseph Miceli

            Wah….Hillary didn’t win so I’m going to blame the nasty socialist and those young whippersnappers and not the Cheeto-Nazi and his racists…because gnawing over the primaries and all the other stupid bullshit typical of every other political fight is more productive than FIGHTING THE FUCKING FASCISTS THAT JUST TOOK OVER OUR COUNTRY.
            I’m done with this stupid shit.

          • danolgb

            This wouldn’t be such a sticking point if every time I turned to a news source, Bernie’s mug wasn’t there seemingly relishing the loss. I used to respect him, but the more I got to know him, the more I realized he was a pied piper only out for himself.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Sounds like selection bias to me. I can’t blame you, though. The same smears machine that ruined John Kerry, Howard Dean and Hillary is the one used on Bernie… only you just can’t seem to see it. It is pretty effective. Too bad Dems can’t use that on anyone not their own while Republicans have mastered it.

          • Xiao Ai

            Bullshit. You never respected him. Stop lying.

          • Xiao Ai

            Now Joseph. They need their boogeyman. Let them have it. We know better, don’t we. It’s not the Boomer’s world any longer anyway.

      • boatboy_srq

        Just a reminder that even in 2016 “relocating to strategic places” also translates as “moving to somewhere hazardous to your career and health”.

      • Octoberfurst

        I live in Pa and that is the only way to save it. We need liberals to move into central Pennsylvania where I live. That joke about Pa–“Philadelphia in the east, Pittsburgh in the west and Alabama in the middle”–is quite true. I live in redneck country. We have far too many Fox News viewing, Rush Limbaugh listening, Breitbart readin’ hicks in this area. We need outsiders to come in to raise the IQ of the area and promote progressive values.

      • Grumpy Old Man

        The libertarians tried it in a small state and failed miserably – I do not foresee liberals faring any better.

      • B Snow

        I was thinking about that a few days ago. Encouraging progressives to move into redder areas. The only problem is, progressives don’t want to live in regressive areas. And it would have be people who would be relatively safe in their new locations, i.e. straight white people, at least to start with.

        • Perhaps it’ll work like a gentrification process – first, select a town that is a bit down on its luck – there are places all over small town America that are still littered with the detritus of the 2008 housing bubble (REP – Real Estate Owned, by the foreclosing lenders . . . perhaps one of the reasons we end up with Trump is that GM got bailed out, the banks got bailed out, but no one adopted my suggestion of creating a Chapter 13A for the bankruptcy Code with a modified cramdown, to keep people in their homes – long story, but definitely fodder for Trumpery).

          The first into the neighborhood are the artists and the gay folks, and they get in on the ground floor, before the real estate values rise. Once the foothold is obtained, the next step is to get a progressive business rooted, and start hiring folks from CA and NY and other places with extra progressive Democrats (as well as some locals – always good to make sure it’s not only carpetbaggers getting the jobs).

          • B Snow

            I haven’t read your whole comment yet, but yes! Gentrification! Send in the gays to awesomize down-and-out cities. 😀

            They should have done anything to keep people in their homes. I thought the government liked to promote stability, hence all the benefits for getting married.

            That’s a great idea. Could you please run for some kind of office? Preferably in my state? :)

    • Ninja0980

      Indeed, and if they need proof of that, they tried running Bernie dems in a couple of races here in NY.
      They lost by bigger margins then the DINOS did, in swing districts no less.

      • pch1013

        A Bernie Dem ran for State Senate here in San Francisco. She lost. Bernie supported a state proposition (put forth by the loathsome Michael Weinstein of “PreP is a party drug” fame) that would allegedly have limited prescription drug prices. It failed.

        • Charlie In SF

          Dont forget the soda tax

        • Xiao Ai

          Yep, San Francisco is still very much a money center. Even with the dissolution of Bank Of America, and Wells. You’re the money. You hold the stocks, and anything that inhibits collection of that money for you means,… What?

          It’s really an amazingly perfect system. More often than not, you don’t even grasp it until it’s too late.

          Bernie was not flawless, but he wasn’t working for that system. And one election wouldn’t change a thing that has been centuries in the making.

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    • JIM W

      There are pockets in the south and central area that can elect a dam to the house. I doubt you will ever see a D for senate from those places. Whether or not the blue pockets that elect D’s to the house of reps are willing to go left is probably an unknown at this time. I really want the democratic party to become just as obstructionist as the R’s were for the past 8 years. Chuck Schemer should stand up and tell Trump that none of his Supreme Court nominees will be approved. We have the votes to filibuster and they need 60 votes to overturn. Lets see how the shoe fits………

      • Chuck in NYC

        I think there COULD be senators from those places. But the Democrats have to be able to boil down into catchy, truthful phrases why Republican policies and practices have made life WORSE for red state constituents. The Democratic party platform was progressive this time and became more so under Bernie’s influence. Absent messages that show how GOP economic policies have made their lives difficult, red staters have nothing to grab onto except god, country and apple pie. Oh, and racism.

    • TheJudgement

      Maybe we could try better effects at education to remedy this obvious problem

      • Treant

        Sure, that’s a wonderful long term plan and should bear fruit around 2035.

        • TheJudgement

          Or do absolutely nothing or something in between. Sound OK with you?

          • Treant

            Who can tell? That plan is as specific as one of Trump’s.

          • TheJudgement

            What other parameter is there?

    • Uncle Mark

      Excuse my cynicism, but how many of these folks voted in the Presidential election to start with? (Incidentally, I think the Democratic party had drifted too far to the right to start with, but burning it all to the ground, instead of voting and expressing your concerns to your reps, ain’t gonna get it done.)

    • Gerry Fisher

      It don’t think that the basic idea is bad. That being said, it should probably follow a strategy meeting RE Democratic messaging as a whole. For example, Democratic policies clearly–in my opinion–favor the people in rural Pennsylvania (and elsewhere, including the Rust Belt). What is it about our messaging, candidates, and the way that our candidates position themselves that fails to communicate this effectively?

      I hear you about “don’t try to import northeast approaches into other areas of the country.” AND…we have to get out of this “kinder, gentler Republican” crap. We need to figure out how to offer a clear and compelling alternative.

      • DaveW

        Well call it “kinder gentler republican” but obama was and Hilary would have been just that sort of (no crazy trickle down either). I call it center right since vs Europe everything here is almost rightward!

        I wouldn’t vote for any left of that and no succesful people would if the religion and bigotry are removed as side dishes

        The center is where success lies. If you guys want the penn and mich traitors going way left won’t do it. They have work ethic, ic not much else, going for them

    • Joseph Miceli

      You work with trump you go down ! If people don’t have The balls to stand on their principles and totally obstruct that son of a bitch Trump Then they pay the price . No elected official calling himself a Democrat should work with the Trump White House on anything !

      • DaveW

        Really? Infrastructure? Luckily folks are saner than that.

        • Joseph Miceli

          They’ll have some lovely roads and brand new trains to take you and your friends on a one way ticket to camp. Enjoy the view!

      • Treant

        So no funding agreements so Social Security checks go out and no Medicare payments allotted and no educational funding…

        • Joseph Miceli

          Yep, because that’s what happened during the last eight years of Republican obstruction. Nice fail there on the “reduction ad absurdum.” I see you on here and I know you have been paying attention for the last eight years. Do you truly think that compromising on Democratic principles “for the good of the country” is going to win us any votes? How has that worked so far for us? How many times are we going to let the Republican smear machine destroy the names and candidacies of good people like John Kerry and Hillary Clinton? How many times do they have to gin up the racists and the xenophobes before Dems start playing hard ball with them? “No…no! We can’t become them. Let’s reach out. This time they’ll let us kick the football.”
          Please.

          • David Walker

            Sounds a bit like Log Cabin Republicans.

            As for me, I smell a purity test coming on and it’s one that I would fail bigly.

          • Joseph Miceli

            It is not in the least like the log cabin nitwits. Their primary excuse for existing is that they hate the same people as Republicans but they feel that just because they take it up the butt they shouldn’t be excluded from the Old Boy’s Club. As for purity…if you are a big supporter of tax breaks for Wall Street, tax breaks for the rich and corporations and support shipping our jobs overseas, then yes… you do belong in the Republican party, not the Dems.
            I know that ain’t you. :)

          • David Walker

            Whew. Thanks for the last sentence. And for the record I’m registered “No Party Affiliation,” the closest you can get to “Independent” here in PA.

            The thing is I am so fucking sick of absolutes. Compromise is somehow evil or sissy stuff or giving up rather than trying to work through something. I’m tired of people screaming rather than talking. I’m fucking scared to death of the future, which I try not to be, but I’m among friends and I know many of us feel the same. We certainly do not live in a perfect country and probably never will get back to debating issues, voting on bills by their merit, voting for Supreme Court justices on nothing but party lines rather than her/his understanding of the Constitution, of law, of humanity.

            I think we’re all at our own personal breaking point. Soon actions will need to be taken, but our heads have to be clearer than they are now. If WE go for the torches and pitch forks, how are we different humans than they? By the same token, the monster has proved itself as hateful, mean, destructive. What to do?

          • Joseph Miceli

            What is it that keeps being said, that “the perfect is the enemy of good?” Well, it isn’t morally pure to adopt their tactics but their tactics WORK!
            Can we use them all the time? No, but we could use them some of the time rather than being the utter spineless pussies and appeasnicks the Dems have become.

          • David Walker

            I agree, especially with your last sentence. A good case of spine growth would definitely help things along.

          • Xiao Ai

            The answer is we’re not different from them. We’re also just humans so shouldn’t we try to be more like them until we get this all figured out? Michelle Obama, whom I also admire said, “take the high road”. That’s fine. But when the people below you are looking up at you, do you know what they’re perceiving? Elitists and intellectuals. Regardless of what you’re telling them, the tribal mentality kicks in regardless of who you are or where you’re standing. The reality is that there is no road at all. There’s just all of us fighting for what we believe in, hurtling through space and time and unfortunately.

          • David Walker

            I forget the name of it, but there is/was a domestic equivalent to the Peace Corps. They would go into hard-hit, ignored areas and get their hands dirty while helping the people in the area get back up on their feet. The residents were confused but took the help gladly. Did it change hearts and minds? Probably not. Was it noticed that these white 20-somethings from outside came in and worked side by side? Absolutely.

            You, Joseph Miceli, and I are pretty much in agreement. I’m from the ’60s, so I see things a little differently, but it’s obvious that progressive, liberal people will not last much longer without getting a backbone and fighting back, challenging them…and using their tactics if necessary.

          • Xiao Ai

            At 52 years of age, I’m sort of from the 60’s too. 😉

            What we need, to start, is a manifesto of our beliefs. Groups back in those days like SNCC and SDS did it, with the Port Huron Statement. The Democratic Party has really lost its way. You really can’t even determine what their ideals or beliefs are these days because they’re all over the map.

          • David Walker

            I thoroughly agree. I’ve heard someone say that the Democratic platform should be followed. No. It’s too old, too political, and too toothless. Opposition must be thought through. I don’t remember a lot about what led up to New York passing marriage equality. What I DO remember is that whoever was governor said the biggest progress was made when the different LGBT groups decided to work together. The Democrats need direction, need a backbone, and it can’t be flying off into 27 different directions.

          • McSwagg

            I believe you are referring to the AmeriCorps …
            http://www.nationalservice.gov/programs/americorps

          • Xiao Ai

            Actually Joe, I believe for the LCR nitwits it really is all about power and money. They don’t hate so much as they’re greedy. If they could find as easy an avenue to their greed, through the Democratic Party they’d be over there. Republicans I will say are much more easily fleeced though.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Point taken.

          • Xiao Ai

            There’s strength in numbers. 😉

          • Treant

            So let’s prove that *neither* branch of government works and the “scrap it all” folks are right.

            Except, of course, they aren’t because they won’t work either. They’re too busy throwing things away.

            No, I’d rather have one functional party…because I wouldn’t be a member of a party that wasn’t.

          • Joseph Miceli

            So, let’s prove that we have no spine and are willing to compromise with the same people who want us dead and our vision of America torn apart. Your party isn’t functional. It is DYING! The Dems are in eclipse and you want to continue doing the same thing that brought us to this pass. That isn’t just stupid, it is insane.
            Every year, the Great Society gets chipped away at. Ryan is already rubbing his hands together like Snidely Whiplash at the thought of what he’s going to do to Medicare and Mike Pense is approaching orgasm as he pushes “Religious Freedom” laws…but you want to work with these people where you can find “common ground.” That just tells me you are in denial. There IS no common ground. Giving them any victory at all in the form of shared legislation is collaboration.

          • Treant

            You’re cheerful (and, fortunately, wrong on several points). Go away.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Oh Treant, thank you for the blanket statement that I’m wrong without listing a single shred of proof. I will gladly go away, because in the last eight years it seems that…although you and I are technically on the same side… we haven’t agreed on one single thing. Thanks for the bitchy dismissal. It is what I’ve come to expect from you. If you don’t want to engage me then maybe you shouldn’t be the one to reply to my comments in the first place.

          • Grumpy Old Man

            You do not get to determine which are Democratic principles and which aren’t – not for me, not for anyone but yourself.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Actually, I do. We still have freedom of speech in this country, so I WILL determine what those ideals are. If you want to believe that the Dems are the party of the banks and corporations then I think you might be in for an argument from more than just me.

          • Grumpy Old Man

            So you each have a hand up the other’s butt – quelle surprise. But your attempt to tell me what my ideals are is just plain stupid. You are now arguing against yourself or, if you prefer, against Xiao. (and what is this love of Austria?). Why ජෝශප් mycelia? You are beginning to entertain me. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9af747f726f95072093b753aa8a66eeb680d00fe39c097a7ff40b951b74ba335.gif

          • Joseph Miceli

            Just what the fuck is wrong with you? Did you wake up after the Trumpenfuehrer took over and decided ” Hey, I’ll be a dick today to someone on the left today.”
            Believe what you want. All I see is you being a miserable asshole for no reason and telling ME what I can and can not do. In the end we are beholden to our own consciences. We project our values onto the party we belong to and hope they align. As for fisting, you and Treant really should get a dual manicure before buying stock in Crisco.
            I also have no idea what the fuck you are talking about in that last sentence, but I think your drugs might have kicked in.

          • Xiao Ai

            Sounds like you have your own purity test. Maybe that’s why the Democratic Party is continually behind the 8 ball and failing miserably.

          • Grumpy Old Man

            Is that you Joseph? See, still trying to tell everyone what to think and who is wrong – get that hand out of your butt and say something with meaning, FFS.

    • Carl

      I’ll be watching to see how many of the protesters are here for the long haul willing to work and actually vote vs. how many are just more anarchists here for the adrenaline rush.

      I don’t think people are dealing with reality yet. I think too many on the left are still deluding themselves into thinking some socialist messiah will fall out of the sky and make everything perfect with the wave of a magic wand. It will take another economic collapse like 2008 for people to grow up and take elections serious again.

    • Octoberfurst

      Actually I think it is about time. Granted this probably wouldn’t work in Southern Red States but ya never know.
      The Tea Party was brilliant in organizing to take over the GOP. They quickly organized to get Tea Party Republicans elected and they did it! About 50 TP Republicans made it into Congress. That’s impressive. What was the Left doing during this time? Protesting on the streets. Did they organize to try to get progressive minded politicians into office? Hell no! They seemed to think that just protesting was enough. Why weren’t there any “Occupy Democrats”? There should have been. But it is much easier to whine than to do something that might actually make a difference. (And I say this as a Lefty.)
      My question for you is how was the Tea Party able to get their people elected in even Blue States? Face it, the Tea Party has taken over the GOP lock, stock and barrel. Why can’t progressives take over the Democratic Party? Why must we always elect “moderates”? The GOP can have rabid right-wingers run but we must run “sensible centrists” in order to win? Why? Maybe America is just too dumb to know what is good for us. If so, God help us. That means we are doomed to having a fascist party (R) and a party of pro-corporate hacks (D) who might throw the general populace a bone once in awhile. “Ok we will raise the minimum wage—but not too much. We don’t want to offend our corporate sponsors.” Is this what it has come to?
      We should start this tactic in the Blue States and then carry on from there. I will grant you that if we can’t get a progressive Democrat elected in, say Alabama, we should go for the “moderate” one. I guess a Blue Dog Democrat is better than none at all. But we have to try!

      • Treant

        Actually, it has been tried via Sanders’ endorsements. Almost all failed. Those that made it were in (drumroll, please) extremely liberal districts.

        If you want to keep trying, by all means, go ahead. Just don’t expect me to support that or be all that sympathetic when it keeps failing.

        • Octoberfurst

          So what is your answer? Elect “moderate” to conservative Democrats? How will that change anything?

          • Treant

            By all means, try…but it would be smarter to start at dog catcher and work your way up. And keep in mind, you’re going to fail in conservative areas and be relegated to a permanent minority if you restrict yourself to the far left only. Enjoy.

            So if the solution isn’t changing the candidates–who, as noted, lost when they’re too far left–the solution is therefore to alter something else.

    • PRW

      “Take what you can get and forge the best coalition you can” has given us Republican Lite when it has worked and ridiculous defeats when it hasn’t (you’d think losing to the Shrub *twice* would be rock-bottom, but you’d be mistaken). Maybe this won’t sell in the flyover, but More Of The Same sure didn’t either. http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/02/political-failure-modes-and-th.html

    • CA2016

      The target must be Trump and the Republicans, not other Democrats.

      FWIW, I just went to “Roosevelt’s Army” twitter homepage. It has 109 followers.

      • Treant

        I completely agree. The far left always seems to advocate risking (and achieving) greater losses after a recent loss. It doesn’t make sense.

  • danolgb

    Didn’t Bernie say he would negotiate with Trump? I agree. We should replace him.

    I suspect these people who are stirring this up are the people who voted third party or didn’t vote at all and hold culpability for Trump being elected.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/09/bernie-sanders-prepared-work-donald-trump/93570734/

  • AW

    Oh these fucking people… they will never learn and I’m starting to believe in the horseshoe theory of political leanings.

  • Jacob

    Been saying it since the primaries but it bears repeating; Bonjour.

    • Todd20036

      Bonjour… you cheese-eating-surrender monkeys!

  • bkmn

    Just saw that Schumer is already saying he is willing to work with a Trump administration. WTF is wrong with him and the DNC?

    • Elagabalus

      What choice does he have? If you don’t have a winning hand and your opponent holds the “Trump card” (pun intended) then you pretty much have to fold. And in this election we didn’t have a winning hand.

      • Todd20036

        We did, actually. The other side cheated.

        • Elagabalus

          Well there is that.

    • Gustav2

      He wants an infrastructure bill.

    • Cipher

      I am not a fan of Schumer (owned by Wall Street) but I suspect this is a move to distinguish his minority leadership from the behavior exhibited by McConnell when Obama was sworn in (“make him a one term President”).

      • boatboy_srq

        Schumer can SAY anything he likes. What’s he going to DO?

        Slightly OT: Otto Kerrekt turns “Schumer” to “Schemer.” Coincidence?

        • Cipher

          I suspect very little. The energy is to his left and many have been tuning him out for years.

          The Republicans now have a purported billionaire who speaks Stupidese. The Dems would be wise to try and fight fire with fire. Find us someone who has succeeded without daddy’s money who has actually gotten dirt under the fingernails.

    • jimbo65

      Not a fan of his as well. He and the rest of the Dems better fight like hell when Ryan starts his plans of gutting Medicare and social security.

    • CPT_Doom

      Perhaps they realize we need a functioning government, and until Donald actually does something that is not Constitutional, it does not help to antagonize him further. We have Warren and other more radical politicians for that role.

    • FAEN

      I hope he means the DNC will work with the new administration on issues they agree on(however small they might be)and do their best to block everything else.

    • Yixing’s Fluffer

      The plan is to drive a wedge between Trump and Ryan. You do that through flattery.

  • DaveW

    Well, this is dumb. Reasonable people on all sides are appalled at trumps win, not just the far left. This will only alienate many in a potential future moderate coalition

    Including people like me and probably the white working class that caused this loss

    Rally the millenials, but alienate the rest. But the milkenials will grow up leaving a fringe. Just like on the right except teanaggers will die of old age

    Dumb, dumb, dumb!

  • bob

    OT, I almost feel sorry for the way they treat tiffany ! Last night at 21. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/06e667f64c338ef9862f1e1da9086c8bf9d037c30ad3a740ab7899ec9f65e427.jpg

    • Tiger Quinn

      Good lord, look at Melania’s face. She literally cannot smile.

      • Elagabalus

        Massive doses of Botox will do that to you.

      • Todd20036

        I’ve never seen anyone age badly, naturally.

        When they botox, or use meth (or other hard drugs) or cigarettes, or roast in the sun, then they age terribly.

        • Treant

          Tell me about it. I get far too much sun, being outside all the time, but it’s not like I fry myself. And I wear a hat.

          As I age, I’m getting that “Earth Father Of The Fields” look. I kind of like it.

          • Todd20036

            That’s not what I mean. I mean the sun worshippers who lay out for 5 hours and/or do weekly visits at the tanning booths.

          • Treant

            I know! I’m within the normal band of solar exposure, to the point that my doctor hasn’t bothered to say a word about it (it’s not like I’d change my habits, as he full well knows). So I’m aging rather well, actually…

      • bob

        I really don’t see her lasting much longer, she’ll crack under the strain.

        • Todd20036

          We will never notice it.

        • Steverino

          Or strain under the crack.

      • coram nobis

        That’s fine; most people won’t be smiling much either.

    • Treant

      Which one is Tiffany? Is she in the kitchen fetching a drink for The Donald?

      • bob

        Sad but true, I hope her mother makes up for the rest of them being such assholes. I’d say there’s a tell all book in her future right after his death and she gets nothing.

      • Elagabalus

        She’s probably in the kitchen washing dishes.

    • Yixing’s Fluffer

      Tiffany is far, far away from this shitshow. That’s worth more than any goddamn overcooked steak.

    • Pollos Hermanos

      Don’t feel too bad for Tiffany. She’s got a Rebecca Black level song out that doesn’t make me feel sorry for her in the slightest.

      https://youtu.be/LVpu6MnXBhQ

    • Steverino

      Is that free-range tiger Uday and Qusay are dining on?

    • Mike C

      Eric hasn’t touched his dinner. He’s not allowed to eat mortal food anymore. And please keep the garlic at a safe distance.

      • He really does look like a vampire doesn’t he? its not an insult!

        • Mike C

          I’m not even sure he casts a shadow. I wouldn’t know, as we’ve never seen him in direct sunlight anyway.

  • FAEN

    This is an interesting idea but I’m not sure it will work. Baggers based their party on blinding hate despite the facts presented. I don’t think we have that kind of mentality.

    I hope there is a movement because if we ever needed one it’s now.

    • Steverino

      Unfortunately, the politics of anger, resentment and post-truth are for now sexier and more lucrative (for the media, especially) than the politics of fairness, opportunity, and facts.

  • Tiger Quinn

    Being perceived as even MORE extreme isn’t going to help us. Like it or not, the country isn’t ready for most of these ideas – do we let that slide? Fuck no, but we’ve been going at this all wrong. Our messaging completely sucks, and it usually centers around “This is the right thing to do and you have to do it whether you like it or not.” There are some issues where that can never bend – human rights abuses. And there are some where you have to start picking your battles and folding in concerns on THEIR side, too.

  • They would be better off organizing mass “carpetbagger” migrations into red states, of enough people to make a difference in state legislative, gubernatorial and congressional elections. Perhaps telecommuting. Perhaps partly organized by their employers (if the employers are progressive). Since everything is so geographical, there are millions of people who can safely relocate out of places like California and make a serious difference elsewhere.

    • Gustav2

      Some are moving to Ohio, between moving to already D metro areas and our gerrymandering, it will be a long haul.

  • Kelly Lape

    Against any other political group I’d be against resorting to their bad tactics. Against this particular group of Nazi’s in the GOP, it is an appropriate strategy. One never negotiates with Nazi’s. Never.

  • thom

    NO NO NO NO!!!!
    Jesus Fucking Christ. NO!

    • Todd20036

      You saw a naked picture of me, didn’t you?

      • thom

        lol

      • Treant

        If you in that photo is any indication, that would be, “YES, YES, YES, YES!!! Jesus Fucking Christ, thank you, YES!”

        • Todd20036

          I’m the dork in the middle, yes. 2014 Pride photo

          • doninkansas

            Don’t you mean the hunk in the middle?

          • Todd20036

            Tomato, Tomahto

    • David L. Caster

      Well, really, when have you ever seen Democrats actually get organized?

      I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.
      —Will Rogers

  • Brad Thomson

    Wonder what’s happened recently to get all the faggots and dykes riled up?

    • Todd20036

      Hello mister troll. You’ve been reported.
      How great for you.
      And no, we still won’t suck your dick, no matter how desperate you are.

      • Treant

        Block and move on, love. These people are common, and getting more common by the day. In both senses of the word.

        • danolgb

          Don’t forget to flag.

        • Todd20036

          Yeah, but report him so JMG sees him and deletes him

    • Elagabalus

      That would be Mr. Faggot and Ms. Dyke to you.

      • GayOldLady

        Exactly…..I want to be addressed with the proper title.

    • David L. Caster

      Maybe it was full on fuckwittery and idiots flinging shit that did it.

    • JoeMyGod
      • Brad Thomson

        Well, guess faggots dont do geography either!

        • JoeMyGod

          Oh, there’s a way to get the street address too. I don’t usually post that.

          • Mike C

            Please do. Brad seems to have lost his egg. We should help get it back to him.

          • Texndoc

            This is like the last episode of South Park!

            “Is he burnin’ daddy?”
            “Yeah he’s burnin’ real good!”

            :)

          • Yep :)

        • ChrisInKansas

          Please go be a douche somewhere else, which would be anywhere you are, I’m sure. Blocked.

  • AJ

    Expect to lose Senator McCaskill (D-MO). She’s currently holding on by her finger nails, and she’ll be out the door and replaced with another Republican senator in 2018 if they have their way.

    • Ninja0980

      Yup, she’s not going to get another Todd Akin this time.

  • lymis

    The problem is far less about moderate Democrats than about the lack of viable Democrats in areas under Republican control. Sure, turf out anyone who’s worthless, but it would do us far more good to get the numbers up – with the beneficial side effect of encouraging any actual DINO to step up or lose their job.

    A completely motivated Democratic base – especially one that will turn out during mid-term elections AND create the local and state Democratic presence we’re missing would be fantastic. For them to aim at currently sitting Democrats first is just counterproductive.

    There have been times when inactive or spineless Democrats were the problem. That was not the case this time.

    • David L. Caster

      There have been times when inactive or spineless Democrats were the problem. That was not the case this time.

      Yeah, the problem this time was inactive or spineless Democrats not voting!

    • This time it was the voters’ fault. They stayed at home while the Republicans voted like they always did.

      • Blake Jordan

        Donnie was always going to get >95% of the rethug vote, a chunk of them were just hiding as “undecideds” so not to be judged as racists, sexists,… if he did not win…

        Sec. Clinton had too much faith in white people…

      • Falconlights

        When the hell are these idiots who stay home and not vote going to “get” that when you do that, you get people like the Orange-utan.

      • Bill_Perdue

        Democrats blame everything but their own partys rabid racism, Islamophobia. union busting and wars of aggression, which makes them indistinguishable from their Republican brothers and sisters.

  • Michael R

    Citizens For Trump’s Second Term

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Sign me up!

  • Yixing’s Fluffer

    This is a disaster. Remember 2010, when Republicans lost races that should have been easy because an incumbent was tossed by an unelectable idiot…or witch?

  • Natty Enquirer

    Looks like “my party right or wrong” isn’t cutting it for everyone.

  • another_steve

    Not sure I understand the purpose of all the demonstrations now.

    If they’re meant to allow people to vent, then I guess that’s reason enough for them.

  • thom

    Yes, let’s get rid of moderate pragmatic leaders. (you know, like Obama) and only let people like alan grayson run. that’ll insure we have a functioning government. ..
    let’s insult anyone who doesn’t worship at the altar of liberalism as a DINO. that’ll speak to all the suburban white women who will (once again) determine the outcome of the next elections.
    question… what is the liberal version of “cuck”?

    • unsavedheathen

      Had the Democratic Party not put all of its resources behind yet another Republican-in-a-blue-suit and had not done its everything short of murder to torpedo Alan Grayson, Marco Rubio would not be returning to the Senate. Rubio had a stake through his heart put there by Trump in a series of debates seen by millions of Floridians. He had his ass handed to him on national television. His atrocious Senate record received national attention. He lost the Florida Republican primary. They had a liberal firebrand with a quick mind and a sharp tongue who could have taken him apart in a debate. The seat was theirs for the taking.

      And they totally cocked it up by doing exactly what you propose they continue to do going forward.

  • T-Batwoman

    Republicans see in black and white, Democratics have empathy and see lots of shades of grey. This is a horrifying idea as it betrays what is best about us. We are better as the party of many shades. Just my opinion.

    • Elagabalus

      Very true. I’ll continue it further by saying that Republicans see politics as a zero-sum game in which winner takes all, whereas Democrats try to reach consensus for the sake of the common good. Democrats are from Venus, Republicans are from Mars. I could go on and on.

    • coram nobis

      I’m an optimist: I see the GOP as a glass that is half full. A dash of polonium in it, maybe, but …

  • safari

    How about a get out the vote effort for off years?

    • Treant

      But that’s work and it’s hard!

    • Yixing’s Fluffer

      And not just midterms. There are governor’s races and the like every year.

    • coram nobis

      And an effort to get new talent into local planning commissions, town councils and such, so people can build resumes and a new base. Maybe if they’re working on potholes and permit appeals they’ll also get a few clues about what people want. These kinds of elections tend to be in off years.

      And they’d better be working on statehouse elections for 2018. They don’t have much time to get it together.

      • doninkansas

        I have been saying this for years. We need to take notes from the immoral minority folks back in the Raygun years: Start small and start local. School boards, town councils, sheriff races, county offices, built a real base and then move your way up the food chain. It worked for them and it can be made to work for us.

        • Ninja0980

          Some Democrats have been trying to do that for years and have been ignored.
          Maybe now they’ll be listened to.

      • pch1013

        Unfortunately for local pols who want to build their résumés, the fascist assault on every aspect of government means that they will have to spend all their time on desperate rear-guard actions aimed at preserving what’s left of the social contract. This means they won’t be able to use their mandates to help people improve their lives; instead, things will continue getting worse, reasonable people will be driven out of politics, and the downward spiral will continue.

        Which is doubtless the fascists’ intent.

    • Larry Gist

      THIS!!! THIS!!! A MILLION TIMES THIS!!!!

    • Ninja0980

      Indeed, if Democrats had bothered to show up the past few years, we’d be in control of the Senate again.

      • JCF

        If they’d shown up in 2014, we would have retained the Senate, and thereby CONFIRMED Merrick Garland!!! >:-(

        • Ninja0980

          Our chances of keeping the Senate were nil.
          But I think we would have taken back the Senate this year if our base in NC and CO had shown up.

    • FAEN

      Most Dems seem to lobotomize themselves before off year elections. I will never understand why. The reality is if we show up and vote we win. That doesn’t mean a half assed effort though. It has to be full throttle but good luck getting our party to do that.

      • David Walker

        The Dems didn’t even bother to run a candidate for my district’s state rep. Either no one wanted it or the Dems felt there were better places to look at, but it’s hell not to have at least an in-name-only candidate. It’s a conservative area, but come one. Let’s show a little effort.

  • TimCA

    What is the point here? I’m all for primarying any Dems that go along with Trump compromising civil liberties and the foundations of our democracy (and we know this will eventually be coming with this new administration) but it would be incredibly short sided to now start eating our own in a war over political purity. Hey Democrats in case you haven’t noticed, our elected numbers in the House and Senate are abysmal already. We really need to pick and choose our battles very carefully in this upcoming war. And that war is about the preserving of the pluralistic, democratic underpinnings of the country vs a future that might very well look like Putin’s Russia. I think our attention should remain focused on that fundamental issue

    • boatboy_srq

      Wasn’t it just a couple weeks ago we were all chortling over the Teahadi disarray and laughing because they “eat their own”? This idea will no doubt look (and function) in very similar ways.

      Hold elected officials accountable? Sure. Primary them.just because they bow to the inevitable? Hmmmmm….yeah, not so much.

      The US is looking less like 1920s Italy and more like 1930s Spain.

  • Harvey888

    You know, before I would be upset or fearful of this news. Now, with the republic on the brink of extinction and the very possible idea of a permanent one party fascist state taking hold, it really doesn’t matter anymore. I’m sure many of these people didn’t even vote or lacked the basic pragmatism to ward off the coming holocaust by holding their collective noses on election day, but that is all water under the bridge now. We are on the sure path now, and these souls will ensure that any vestige of checks and balances will be washed away in the tide of intolerance. God bless them and god bless all of us. Maybe they will be proven right in the long run – but not in my lifetime, I’m afraid.

  • Brad Thomson

    Patriotic, sensible, rational Americans, vote Republican.

    It’s just the right thing to do.

    • JoeMyGod
    • Gene

      I am a former Republican.

      Then, I learned not to have science, not to expect special rights due to being white and male and Christian. Not to look down on minorities. to actually READ and learn from ACTUAL history. I learned empathy and I learned how a system that is fair, allows profit, but does not let the weak and old become the economic cannon fodder of the very rich is good (vs the Republican one). I learned not to listen to conspiracy theories. I learned the more Mexicans have moved SOUTH over where that “wall” is supposed to be than NORTH for YEARS. I noticed that 1/3 of the physicians in my community hospital were Muslims, and two of them saved my husbands life, and are now friends, and ask “and how is your dear husband?” when we speak. I learned that a campaign that gives a wink and a nod to white nationalists is a thing of filth. I learned that a candidate whose election is celebrated by the KKK, the American Nazi party and our enemies (who NSA has acknowledged had a role in corrupting the election) is one no REAL, Patriotic, Rational American would do..

      It’s just the sane, decent, educated, moral, ethical thing…to vote for the Democrat.

      Learn manners.
      And Get an education.

      you need both. Bigly

      • Gene

        error in my typing…I learned not to IGNORE science (a STRONG republican trait, doing that)

    • Mike C

      Did you leave your egg at home, Brad?

    • Falconlights

      Not my kind of sensible or patriotic American!!

  • TexasBoy

    The party they want, all full blown alt-left wing nuts with no compromises or acceptance, will be as deplorable as the Trumpettes.

  • band

    Oh, look: The Occupiers have FINALLY figured out that if you wanna change the direction of the country, you have to dirty your hands with politics, and start at the local level. Drum circles and camping out in random parks isn’t gonna cut it.

    Too bad it took 5 years and the election of a racist, incompetent demagogue. The Tea Partiers immediately knew what they had to do. And by seizing control of the GOP at the grassroots level, they captured the party in less than 2 years and elected their own president in 7.

    • Ninja0980

      They’ve known this for a long time.
      One only has to look at how many Republicans got their start on school boards or city councils before moving on up for proof of that.

    • Bill_Perdue

      “Too bad it took 5 years and the election of a racist, incompetent demagogue.”

      Both major party candidates on the ballot are racists and both are incompetent, union busters, McCarthyites and rabid warmongers. Seeing no real differences people stayed home in record numbers. The election was a bust, a farce, an exercise in utter futility.

      Washington (CNN)Voter turnout this year dipped to nearly its lowest point in two decades. While election officials are still tabulating ballots, the 126 million votes already counted means about 55% of voting age citizens cast ballots this year.

      Sayonara. Democrats and Republicans.

      • band

        You still here? How quaint. Tiresome, but quaint.

        • Bill_Perdue

          Is that a proven loser talking. Why yes, it is.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    And to think, if everyone who’s bitching, moaning, complaining and “resisting” had simply been pragmatic about this election instead of rigidly and ideologically pure, you wouldn’t be in this mess right now. But hey, I’m using rational thought and perspective, two things that seem to be in short supply among the left.

    • Bill_Perdue

      You’re a proud advocate of realpolitik.

      Realpolitik (from German: real “realistic”, “practical”, or “actual”; and Politik “politics”, German pronunciation: [ʁeˈaːlpoliˌtɪk]) is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or moral and ethical premises.(Wiki)

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Get rid of the DINOs!! Get rid of the DINOs!!!
    Oh, …. wait

  • Bad Tom

    Yes, more division is the answer,

  • coram nobis

    A long but insightful article in today’s Guardian, Gary Younge spent a month in Muncie and this installment seems to sum it up, where things stand in “Middletown”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2016/nov/16/how-trump-took-middletown-muncie-election

    He wasn’t kind to the national Democrats — ” milquetoast, market-led managerialism” — but look for the muddle and possible crookedness of the local Democratic party. On point here as it shows just how much of a cleanup the Dem reformers need to do.

  • aar9n

    maybe they can start a movement to get people to vote more. Just sayin

  • Halloween_Jack

    Can we get an “infighting isn’t funny” tag?

    • coram nobis

      Plenty of infighting going around. Donald’s transition team so far only managed to purge the Mensheviks from their midst.

    • Bill_Perdue

      No. Infighting is funny, from the feeding frenzy of the Republicans wanting appointments to the losers introspection.

  • Lazycrockett

    The problem with this is that its going to have very little effect in the midwest and most likely do more harm than good to strong liberal area’s.

  • coram nobis

    Next up, the Civil War on Christmas … and Thanksgiving.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/us/political-divide-splits-relationships-and-thanksgiving-too.html

    Sharpen your carving knives, everybody, if you’re going home for the holidays.

    • Treant

      I’ve already canceled Thanksgiving for this year as I already warned my mother that I Would Not Be Silent when the right wing branch starts praising Resident Trump.

      Christmas Eve isn’t looking good, either.

      • danolgb

        I have my annual Christmas lighting party next Saturday. Usually I’ve got the show all planned out. (I do one of those synchronized to music light shows.) This year, I have no idea what I’m doing. I’m just not feeling it.

        • Treant

          Me neither.

          Normally, I do five trees (two significant, three not). This year, I’m thinking the big, time-consuming main tree can just go hang. I’ll light the (living) hibiscus and call it a day, and take care of the three tiny trees when I feel like it. If I do.

        • Lazycrockett

          Once I reached adulthood Christmas just became a reminder of the joy of getting gifts and Santa, call me shallow but the excitement is gone and leaves me with a feeling of nostalgia that borders on depressing.

          • Elsewhere1010

            My favorite Christmas movie is The Lion in Winter. It reminds me so much of home and all those early Christmases, the gifts, the food, the blood on the floor…

          • JIM W

            I’ve quit celebrating Xmas since I got a brain and realized that it was all a bunch of religious nonsense. I celebrate the season and enjoy giving presents to the 12 and under nieces and nephews. My hubby and I always travel from before Dec. 25 until after Jan. 1. We don’t decorate our home, but do send out Season’s Greeting”s to our logical family.

      • Ninja0980

        Same here.
        Not going to listen to my Trump voting Aunt and Uncle tell me they love me even though they voted Trump and my BOB cousin.
        They want to talk politics, they’ll do it without me.

    • safari

      If it weren’t for my grandparents and the fact that they won’t be around forever, I’d rather skip this year and hang out with my people in town.

      • Lazycrockett

        I haven’t spent any holiday with family in years. I just pop in here and there for a day or 2 and then leave. I haven’t been to a huge family get together in decades. Then again I like solitude.

    • PickyPecker

      Having all holidays at home this year. We rather enjoy the peace and quiet.

      • Steverino

        We have been doing the same thing for the past several years. It is wonderful. Of course it is easy for us, with hubby being partially, and myself totally estranged from our biological families.

  • GayOldLady

    And who are they planning on going after in 2018? Bill Nelson – Florida, Joe Donnelly – Indiana, Debbie Stabenow – Michigan, Claire McCaskill – Missouri, Jon Tester – Montana, Heidi Heitkamp – North Dakota, Sherrod Brown – Ohio, Bob Casey – Pennsylvania, Joe Manchin – West Virginia? Do they really believe they can go into States that are moderate, with a lot of Blue Collar white people, and throw bleeding hearts into the race and get them elected? I’d vote for a bleeding heart, but they still wouldn’t get elected where I live. They need to leave those candidates in place who can win in those states, if they don’t we will lose everyone of those seats.

    The strategy should be to go after Trump’s policies. Put out big marches and massive acts of civil disobedience every time one of the Social Programs are attacked by the Congress. If they reduce our Senate seats we’re screwed when it comes to using Cloture/Filibuster to stop them. We just picked up 2 seats. We’re currently at 46 Dems / 52 Repubs / 2 Independents (both voting with us). We’re sitting at 48-52 which is enough to turn back anything they throw at us. If that gets upended in 2018 when we’ll have 23 Dems and 2 Independents facing reelection, we’re finished. And it won’t be a Roosevelt Army Revolution, it will be a Fascist thrashing.

    • Jerry Kott

      I am getting the feeling that there will be some unlikely alliances based on “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. We need a Common man with an uncommon vision.

      • GayOldLady

        I’m unsure what you’re saying. Are you saying you believe that Republicans will make an exodus to our side of the aisle when things like Obamacare come up for a vote?

        • Jerry Kott

          I am saying that Outside the Castle Walls there is rumbling and alliances can be forming that meet at unlikely crossroads. It is mentioned that Medicare in on the chopping block, that will create unlikely allies to save it.

          • GayOldLady

            That could be true. There are a lot of people on Medicare/Medicaid and if medicare is privatized, medicaid will become extinct unless the States decide to use the grants to continue the coverage as it now exists. That would impact a lot of people and legislators react to their constituency.

      • Ben in Oakland

        All it means is that you have two sets of enemies.

        • Jerry Kott

          “Politics makes strange bedfellows” and allegiances are not always carved in Stone..

    • Friday

      Their strategy ought to be running real progressives where there *aren’t* often very dynamic challengers *against* republicans. The DNC didn’t really even bother where I live to great degrees due to gerrymandering, and the *House,* well. That’s where *our* sudden upsets could happen. Costing us the White House race that was ours to lose means these kids and other provocateurs only have *more* working hard and growing informed and growing *up* about to make anything count. It was always foolish to think we were electing a monarch as though a Bernie with no other backing could make everything OK, now we don’t even have the White House or a veto to hold the bad guys back while they stack the deck *more.*

    • Xiao Ai

      So you’re saying it’s not possible to fight two battles at the same time in order to win the war.

      No one is free, when others are oppressed.

      • GayOldLady

        No, that’s not what I said. And I’ve spent most of my life oppressed, so what does that have to do with strategy to get a more liberal Congress? If you have a congress person in a red state who is moderate democrat and you primary that person with a very liberal alternative (and I’m a very liberal person) while they may win the primary where only Democrats and Indies are voting, they will likely lose the General election where there are more Republicans and right leaning indies voting than Democrats. There’s plenty of historical precedent to prove that’s the case in Conservative red States.

        • Xiao Ai

          Liberalism with no bite gains nothing.

          Listen, I understand being afraid. But, the “liberals”, as you call them, are moderates. They’ll capitulate every time in an effort to fake out their electorate to make them think something positive has been done when the reality is they lose more and more ground. They must from here on out take a stand for all people, not just some. You may not like it but, you must take a stand. Otherwise you have nothing to look forward to.

          Whether the Tea Party was wrong or right does not matter because they’re utterly full of dominionists, corporations full of their stockholders, and warmongers, and they have the all of the power now. All of it. The Millennials that most of you continue to deride here on JMG get that. And they know they cannot wait any longer. You can either sit here online, all day long and post about how Trump’s a meany, or Hillary should have won but, for the sleazy tactics by everyone, or you can take responsibility for how we go forward from here.

          You can bet the Right will.

  • Jerry Kott

    Many see the Democratic party as a Corporate puppet who occasionally gives the soiled masses a wink and a nod. Many see the Democrats as having no claws and no balls. More interested in going along to get along.

    • Friday

      Many need to realize that ‘how they see’ things doesn’t change the reality or make the situation what we’d all wish it was. (Before this farce or after) Strategy means using what you got where you can put it, not pretending you hold what you don’t and throwing Hail Marys.

      (Remember Auntie Friday’s football metaphors all year? “The other team’s in disarray all over the field trying to make a turnover happen, so it’s time to have a disciplined line, hold what we got, and keep making first downs. We’ll get there. The *last* thing to do is start throwing Hail Marys.”)

      • Jerry Kott

        this could have all been avoided.

    • pch1013

      Many are able to see through the multiple screen names used by fascist sock puppets.

      • Jerry Kott

        care to translate?

      • Bill_Perdue

        Many more can see through the bankrupt politics of a party of trust fund babies closet reactionaries. They didn’t vote in droves.

  • coram nobis

    These tea partiers may need to reach out to some business sectors, at least the ones that get damaged. Two stories from today’s business news:

    1. Possible West Coast job losses starting at 640,000 due to changes in import-export.

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-noland-trade-war-results-20161019-snap-story.html

    2. “For Silicon Valley, Trump’s Election Is Only the Beginning of the Backlash
    If you think voters are angry about globalization, just wait until they see what robots will do to employment.”

    http://www.inc.com/jeff-bercovici/trump-backlash-silicon-valley.html

    Absolutely, Mr. Hawley!
    Positively, Mr. Smoot!

    • pch1013

      Yep. Orange Putin and his merry gang of pranksters are all about revenge against any person, entity, or state that dares to oppose him. California is the biggest target of all.

      • coram nobis

        Yes, and the Inc. article’s point is that robotics is going to wipe out a lot of service jobs. Just wait till self-driving trucks hits the trucking industry. And the manufacturing, of course, will be robotic and centered in Silicon Valley.

        • pch1013

          But there are a lot of trucking jobs here in the Bay Area too. Along with government jobs, which we can expect to be slashed – especially after Orange Putin’s promised cutoff of federal support to sanctuary cities.

          On the plus side, maybe rents in SF will finally go down!

        • Jerry Kott

          I recall reading that the biggest cause of job loss in the United States was robotics and not the moving of manufacturing from the US Soil.

    • Bill_Perdue

      A bigger threat is the looming banking crisis in Europe. It will affect us just as badly as Bill Clintons crash of 2007-98 affected them.

      http://links.org.au/european-financial-system-banks-crash

      • coram nobis

        Read Yannis Varoufakis’ And the Weak Suffer What They Must? Europe’s crisis, America’s economic future. Greek former finance minister on the EU mess and the roughshod ways of the bankers there.

        • Dazzer

          Varoufakis is a superb, brilliant mind. I don’t agree with everything he says, but I’ve never left his writing or his interviews without having to spend hours thinking through what he says.

          I can’t recommend him highly enough.

  • STH

    Did they not notice that most of the Tea Partiers have been voted out of office?

  • HZ81

    It’s all yours, Bro-gressives. Good luck—and go fuck yourselves. :)

    • Bill_Perdue

      The bitter voice of the loser is heard in our land.

      • HZ81

        Here’s the biggest bro-gressive of them all. Thanks for selling us out, Bill. Your own kind. Your own country. Now, kindly go fuck yourself and stop stalking me. Thanks, buddy.

        • Bill_Perdue

          Democrats are quislings who gave us DADT and DOMA and won’t enact ENDA.

          And you wonder why you’re such losers. Piglet is an overwrought, proven loser – she and her fellow Clinton worshipers couldn’t even defeat the orange buffoon.

          Worthless.

          HZ81 is loser personified.

  • Phillip in L.A.

    Good morning, Joe & Co!

    “Small Axe”–The Wailers, from their 1973 Island Records, Ltd., album, Burnin’

    Why boasteth thyself, oh evil men/
    playing smart and not being clever/
    I say you’re working inequity/
    to achieve vanity yeah/
    but the goodness of Jah, Jah/
    I’doreth for Iver/

    (Chorus)

    If you are the big tree,/
    we are the small axe/
    sharpened to cut you down/
    ready to cut you down, oh yeah/

    These are the words of my Master/
    telling me that no weak heart shall prosper/
    oh no they can’t/

    And whosoever diggeth a pit/
    shall fall in it (fall in it)/
    Whosoever diggeth a pit/
    shall bury in it (bury in it)/

    (Repeat Chorus)

    Whosoever diggeth the pit/
    Shall fall in it (fall in it)/
    Whosoever diggeth the pit/
    Shall bury in it (bury in it)/

    (Repeat Chorus)

    © 1973 Tuff Gong Music, Ltd./All Rights Reserved.

    https://youtu.be/FNtwVtl5VEw

  • pch1013

    The only consolation is that the GOP is forming a circular firing squad too.

  • Friday

    Oh, I know… How bout not starting off by looking for counterproductive things to do: maybe instead, oh, I dunno, *add* some progressives to the not-enough-Democrats-of-any-kind-we-still-got?

    Also, know the damn score. There’s only so many of the seats we *do* have in play for the midterms. The House? work on picking up a bunch rather than going out of your way to jeopardize chances we don’t have to jeopardize. Obviously conditional on the Dems’ actual behavior, but ‘ideological purity’ doesn’t count, or for that matter work the same way for us. Especially at that non-minority working class vote everyone’s wringing their hands about.

  • Elsewhere1010

    We hold these mutually exclusives truths to be self evident, that anyone who cannot pass an ideological purity test is therefore the enemy and the earth where they stand must be scorched. If we believed in God we would know that God is on our side, and that all other truths are false.

    There’s a reason the word of the year for 2016 is post-truth.

  • The centrist Democrats that will be challenged are either going to have to spend hard resources in beating off a challenge from the left — or will be replaced by far left candidates in states that are likely not to elect them. 2018 is going to be a very tough year for Democrats in the Senate – the Hill today has run an article on 10 Democratic Senate Seats (including Tammy Baldwins) that are not safe. The Republicans, and for that matter Vladimir Putin, are going to greet this tea party from the left with open arms and under the table cash and other assistance- a given you can count on. http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/306210-10-senate-seats-that-could-flip-in-2018

    • Ninja0980

      The far left doesn’t want to hear that.
      They are still convinced if we run people like Bernie in every state a magical progressive wave will emerge in all of these states and elect their guys/gals by double digits.
      Doesn’t work that way.

      • Richard, another Canuck

        Maybe the trumpanzees will wake up once their Medicare is cut as Ryan plans to do in 2017 and a shift will occur. Here’s hoping at least.

        • pch1013

          Maybe, but from what I’ve read, only people who are currently under 55 will be affected by the GOP’s plans. So Grandma’s Medicare will be fine, but her children and grandchildren are fucked. Yet another example of “divide and conquer” in action.

      • Uch. I want to throw up now. They don’t know who their enemy is then. And I can lose affordable health insurance and we can lose the right to marry as equal human beings among other things.

        • pch1013

          And by the time they figure it out, it will be impossible to get rid of the fascists by political means.

          • In Florida, in 2018, Senator Bill Nelson, a moderate Democrat (and former Astronaut) is up for reelection. He will be 74. He is very popular – he beat Connie Mack last time (the son of the former Senator) by 52-42. Rick Scott, our Governor is running against him — Democrats cannot stand Rick Scott. Although a challenge from the left will never unseat Bill Nelson, it just might weaken him enough to lose, and Florida should be an easy retention. Not good news at all.

      • leastyebejudged

        Keep dividing us, that’s working great so far huh.

  • Bj Lincoln

    How about targeting GOPhers who are bad instead of Dems? I think being up the ass of GOPhers and exposing them for taking bribes from lobbyists and making deals that hurt people would do more good. Not that pointing out the Dems that do the same thing is wrong, but Repugs are working against everything we hold dear.

    • Falconlights

      I think we should rally together against the common enemy.

  • Cackalaquiano

    Whatever. They might develop a base of supporters, but $20 says they won’t actually vote.

  • Acronym Jim

    Instead of the “Tea Party of the Left,” I suggest they call themselves the “Sativa Party.”

  • JK3

    The tea party, to it’s credit, riled up and incorporated and consisted of mostly the republican base. The tea party of the left just pisses off the democratic base. Didn’t they learn from the defeats of Lucy Flores and Tim Canova that they don’t hold the amount of sway over Democrats that the tea party did for republicans?

  • BobSF_94117

    So I assume the group’s name, AllofUs, is meant sarcastically…

  • NancyP

    Protesters, film any vandals,upload to cloud, and notify police immediately. Opportunist thieves are out there, as well as opportunistic crazies (violent anarchists and folks off their meds), and pro-Trump provocateurs (perhaps including plainclothes police).

    Protect our reputation.

    As for the “get rid of DINOs” idea, pure foolishness. DINOs know their districts, and they can’t go any further left and still win.

    • MaryOGrady

      I have run into anarchists at demos since I did abortion clinic defense while the Republicans were having their national convention in Houston in 1992. Time after time I have observed that anarchists specialize in getting *other people* arrested.

  • Guest

    God this is so stupid. There is NO Democrat on an equivalent plane with ANY Republican. Don’t these dimwits know who their most dangerous enemies are?

    • Ninja0980

      No they don’t.
      In their minds, anyone who isn’t pure enough is a traitor.

      • HZ81

        Exactly, and these are the people who sold us out and the country.

        They can all go fuck themselves.

  • TheJudgement

    Good.
    They wouldnt screw it up like repubs always do.

    Trump….. 😳🙄😩😄

  • Etranger

    How embarrassing. They don’t get it. The tea party fanatics are the reason we are in most of the mess we are in govt. The unwillingness to accept politicians who negotiate for the common good just reveals immature, uneducated, reactionary thinking. Idiots.

    • Xiao Ai

      Sorry, you can’t get there from here. What most of you won’t accept is that the time of the moderate is over. We draw a line in the sand here. Now. No more bargaining. You may accept it, or you may not. But, we Boomers have destroyed enough.

      • Etranger

        Fine. Don’t expect anything to get done. That is not how a good representative democracy makes progress and runs more smoothly. You can’t get anywhere with extremism but backwards.

        • Xiao Ai

          You think this is a representative democracy? For whom?

          • Etranger

            Did you vote for a congressman/woman? Did you vote for a Senator? Did you vote for state reps and senators? Did you vote for local city councilmembers? Those are your representatives. You might need a civics refresher I think…

          • Xiao Ai

            I did vote. In fact, I worked the polls this year to ensure the Right wouldn’t have an opportunity to intimidate people from voting. What have you done? Civics was never my strong point anyway. I was given a “C” grade because I talked back to my teacher. 😉

          • Etranger

            I voted as well. I did not work the polls this year (my state has mostly mail-in and early voting so election day is not as crowded as it used to be). I have actually been an election judge, running the precinct for 6 years straight. I have been an election official off and on since I was 18 (43 now). But you know what? That is irrelevant. You said you didn’t think we lived in a representative democracy. Clearly you were wrong. Our volunteer bona fides is irrelevant.

          • Xiao Ai

            So, if I you understand correctly, we’re a representative Democracy of the worst in us. Greed is at our core, and lust for power. That’s not representative of me.

          • Etranger

            Just because some representatives got elected that we do not like and we don’t like the type of people who turned out to vote for our president and his party, does not negate that we live in a representative democracy. We can vote and change the representation to align with our political views. We can let our reps know what we want. They do listen. Throwing our hands up and saying we have no power doesn’t help.

          • Etranger

            ” I was given a “C” grade because I talked back to my teacher. ;)”

            Ah, that explains it. I loved history and government so I learned what representative democracy was with no problem. Got my BA in political science even, so really understand politics and political systems!

          • Xiao Ai

            I love history as well but, I lost my fondness of government when I realized they cared nothing for it’s people and cared a lot about its money. It represents its own interests, not its people’s. The examples of this that I’d give as a start are the Cold War, The Tobacco industry (which still is allowed to peddle its poison), The AIDS crisis, homelessness, poverty, Citizen’s United,… I could go on and on. To me, and countless others, that’s not representative of its people.

            You know, I honestly don’t believe you and I are necessarily that different overall. I just kept my idealism and believe it’s time for real change. We Boomers consciously, and subconsciously, chose to become a part of it. It’s our sin and now it’s time for the kids to make it right.

          • Etranger

            Work for change; that is what our system allows for.

      • MaryOGrady

        Politics is the art of compromise.

        • Xiao Ai

          I never claimed to be a politician and I won’t compromise. Neither will the New Democratic Party until there’s been a correction. You people need to start going after Politics as usual instead of clinging to what got us into all of this in the first place since you created this World mess.

          • mizzourah

            You sound absolutely unhinged.

          • Xiao Ai

            Not biting. Move along.

          • leastyebejudged

            it sounds like fascism.

  • Xiao Ai

    The days of Moderates are over. Choose a side.

  • Lamarr_Jackson
  • EdA

    Yes. I am so thrilled that Jill Stein supporters and the supporters of a couple of Gary Johnson’s views (presumably not the “law of the jungle” ones) diverted more than enough votes from Hillary Clinton to ensure that for the foreseeable future the leader of the so-called free world is a moral degenerate tax cheat and swindler who brags about financial and physical rape, and if something happens to the piece of trump he would be succeeded by a homophobic religious nutjob who thinks that frothy is too liberal.

    With friends like these …….

  • Hasn’t there been enough Teabagging in America?

  • Nychta

    “The enemy has ripped out the heart of our nation and we will recover it no matter the cost.”

    That does not reassure me.

  • Gil

    Fight fire with fire, so the saying goes.

  • TheSeer

    Ah totalitarian way of thinking is knocking on the doors of the Democratic Party too.

    • David L. Caster

      It’s a disease that seems to be going around.

    • leastyebejudged

      Knocking ? Are you kidding me, it’s been sitting at the table for years.

  • PinotYouDidnt

    Why not? The Bernie or Bust people are just as racist & sexist as the other Tea Party. Let ’em whine about the establishment while the real Dems organize, focus, welcome people of color & women, and actually get shit done.

    • Mr. M

      Are whites allowed too? Or do they first have to be “woke”?

      • PinotYouDidnt

        Took 3 minutes for someone to prove my point.

        • Mr. M

          Lemme guess? I’m a racist.

          • PinotYouDidnt

            “Are whites allowed? Or do they first have to be ‘woke’?”
            “Lemme guess? I’m a racist.”
            Does that kind of language look familiar? That’s exactly what GOP white nationalists are saying right now & have said for years.
            So yeah. You just said some casually racist stuff. Bernie & his staff didn’t even try to win over the black (or latino. Or LGBT. Or etc.) vote. And almost immediately after the election, what did Bernie say? Democratic party needs to support “white working class.” He knows his base. And when I see black people on Twitter/Facebook actually being called the n-word *by Bernie or Bust people,* yeah. That shit is racist. There’s virtually no difference between you and the GOP white nationalists now; they are WAY more reflective of your ideology and beliefs than the Democratic party. Just join them.

          • Mr. M

            Lol – you’re nuts. And people who think like you will NEVER win elections.

          • PinotYouDidnt

            People who think like me nominated Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. And people like me, not you, elected women of color — all dems — to the senate this year, including the USA’s first Latina senator, first Indian American senator, first Vietnamese American congresswoman, and more.

            But white working class, right? That’s all that matters right now.

  • Max_1
  • karen in kalifornia

    I’m in. I have lived forever in blue blue California and have felt frustrated not to be able to support liberal Democrats over repugs. In fact, my district had a demo vs. demo against each other for state Assembly (allowable in CA, top two in primary regardless of party run against each other, not my favorite set up but how it is for now). My congressman is progressive. Would love to get rid of some not so, plus I think this will allow Democrats in California to better defeat even more local Republicans. Can hardly wait.

    • JustSayin’

      You are a fool

  • Stubenville
  • Tempus Fuggit

    So, um, I find this which makes me wonder what’s new about this apparently-almost-seven-year-old idea. Except the part where the people who think it’s new haven’t yet remembered it has a name, so FTTB they’re going with “kinda like the tea party of the left”.

  • Dazzer

    In the UK, the Labour Party is the main party of opposition in Parliament.

    Over the last three years, it has drifted further and further to the left. Membership of the party has massively increased, but a substantial number of those new members come from a variety of far left political parties.

    The current leader of the Labour Party is Jeremy Corbyn, a former backbench MP whose win in the leadership election surprised everyone – not least himself.

    Corbyn is on the harder left of the LabourParty – and through most of his career he has been a contrarian. He regularly refused to vote the way of the rest of the party – sometimes correctly and sometimes stupidly. Since his election he has surrounded himself with a bubble of like minded individuals and has refused to deal with or negotiate with MPs who don’t agree with him 100 per cent.

    He’s also refused to reach out to long-term ‘traditional’ Labour Party members.

    Although I like Corbyn and agree with some of his policies (I’m not a member of the Labour Party or any oher political party, but I regularly vote Labour – not always, but regularly), he and his supporters have been an absolute disaster not only for support of the Labour Party, but also for politics generally in the UK.

    After Brexit, the ruling Conservative Gvernment should have been an open goal for the Labour Party. This is one of the most right wing governments in recent history and the Labour Party should have been opposing government policies and exploiting the absolute post-Brexit chaos that has subsumed the Parliamentary Conservative Party.

    Instead, Corbyn and his hard left supporters have spent their time attacking any other Labour Party MP or member who doesn’t agree with them. They are threatending to deselect any Labour MP who doesn’t agree with them in their entirety and bow down to Dear Leader Jeremy.

    As a result, the Labour Party is riding lower in the opinion polls than it ever has done in its 130-year history. If the Prime Minister managed to call a snap General Election any time now, the Labour Party would be more than decimated.

    The pursuit of ideological purity is a one-way street to electoral disaster – and a strategy designed to ensure that the party will be in constant opposition and incapable of seeing any left-wing policies are enacted.

    The AllofUs grouping needs to ask itself if they want to repeat this in the US.

    • Yann

      Just to say, when you look at the past year before the Brexit vote, the “New” Labour have made it their goal to stop Corbyn on nearly all his point, going against the vote of the party member. Yes it is a problem that Corbyn hasn’t listen that much to the others MPs, but you must recognize that the ‘traditionnal’ (Or Blair follower if you prefer) haven’t let him present his case as opposition leader. Often choosing to vote against everything their base asked, and making it more difficult for the public to really see a difference between them and the conservative.

      And Theresa May will not call for a snap Election soon, her party is in trouble too between the two front (pro-brexit and pro-EU) and the last decision of the supreme court just gave her more of an headache.

      That is the analysis that, as a foreigner, I made by studying the recent history of the party and reading a lot about the political trouble that the Brexit campaign has bring. (From left and right British news sources) But I may be wrong. It’s just that you see a lot of the same reaction in the US and UK when you look at the image that people have of the ‘working class’ party. They see it as an elitist class that only answer to the neo-liberal doctrine without thinking about the worker that are left behind.

  • mizzourah

    Fringe losers doing everything they can to make sure the GOP controls the presidency and congress for decades.

  • JCF

    “support primary challenges against those Democrats… said the organizer…working for a group called AllofUs”

    Irony is Dead.

    http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/3757/174/original.gif

  • andrew

    Only fools believe that the way to combat the right wing extremist is to defeat moderate or centrist Democrats.

  • e jerry powell

    What does a guy have to do to rid the world of all this blind tribalism?

  • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

    Contact the Electors in your state and complain Trump is unfit for office. Politico has a list of them.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/list-who-will-cast-a-formal-vote-for-president-2016-231235

    Call your Congresspersons and complain too.

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members

  • kareemachan

    [sigh]

    Just don’t make me wear American flags made into jackets or staple Tazo teabags to my hat.