MASSACHUSETTS: State Certifies Christian Group’s 2018 Ballot Measure To Repeal Transgender Rights

Chris Johnson reports at the Washington Blade:

Opponents of a newly enacted Massachusetts law that prohibits anti-trans discrimination in public accommodations have obtained enough signatures to place the measure on the ballot in 2018, Secretary of the Commonwealth William Francis Galvin certified Tuesday.

Brian McNaff, a Galvin spokesperson, affirmed for the Washington Blade Wednesday opponents of the law submitted 34,231 qualified signatures to reverse the measure, which is slightly more than the 32,375 names needed.

“They filed a sufficient number of signatures last week, which puts the referendum on the ballot in November of 2018,” McNaff said.

The title of the ballot asks voters whether they approve of the transgender non-discrimination law and then provides a summary of the measure as reflected in the statute. For the referendum to succeed in reversing the law, a majority of voters have to vote “no” at the ballot.

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker, a Republican, signed the law in July after it was approved by the Democratic-controlled legislature. Although Baker initially hesitated to support the law, he came around and later signed the measure, which went into effect Oct. 1. The Washington Blade has placed a call to Baker’s office seeking comment on the referendum.

The referendum only applies to anti-trans discrimination in public accommodations. In 2011, former Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, a Democrat, signed into law a separate measure barring anti-trans discrimination in the state in housing, employment, credit and post-secondary education. The referendum won’t affect that law.

  • crewman

    How about we vote on whether to tax churches.

    • 2patricius2

      I would vote yes for that.

    • tominsf

      Except it would doubtless lose. Too many people think that religion is somehow a force for good. Lots of cognitive dissonance going on.

      • NZArtist

        It would still be fun to have the adverts run about how much damage churches are doing, and how unfair it is, blah, blah.
        Subject them to the same public scrutiny and trashing they put us through. Sure, it’d fail, but they’d look like complete tossers in the adverts and perhaps that would serve to weaken their recruitment somewhat.

        • RaygunsGoZap

          Yes. Ads about how much it would help with debt, how welfare states would become more independent, about megachurches and greed and lot of “what has the church done for YOU?” and “How much money are they taking in and where is it going?”

          • NZArtist

            And how they’re actively dabbling in politics, how they’re using your civil utilities and services without paying. It’s about showing suicide bombers using religion as justification to blow up people. It’s about showing the history of religion to kill people it disagrees with. It’s about priests raping boys.
            The adverts could show the lavish wastes of money churches spend on themselves and the pittance which goes toward anyone else.

        • Hank

          The Boston Globe would LOVE it!!!

        • OldBaldGuy

          I still remember the heaviest Globe I ever took out to the trash was the one before civil marriage was legalized (I swear it weighed me down like a boulder) – in which Dobson’s nightmare show hired out a full two-page spread church-splaining how evil, sick, unable to love or commit, unstable, unsafe around children, physically unhealthy my husband and I were and therefore underserving of any civil protections. It made me sick to my stomach. It was truly vile. What made me even sicker was that at the time the Globe was actually okay with taking money to run that shit – which I’m sure they never would have done if any other minority group were being targeted the way we were.

          So, yeah, let the shoe get shoved onto the other foot. It would be highly educational, to say the very least.

      • another_steve

        Some religion is a force for good. There are many LGBT-affirmative religious institutions and religious people.

        Be discriminate.

        Don’t broad-brush stereotype, as our enemies do to us.

        • T-Batwoman

          All religion is rooted in control and money, not one thing more.

        • NZArtist

          No, no religion is a force for good.
          Even ‘benign’ religions empower the idea imaginary friends should have sway over your life. They enable and empower the people who commit attrocities in the name of their imaginary friends.
          No, there’s no such thing as a ‘good’ religion. It’s all just bollocks, and it is all insanity.

          • Nowhereman

            They should also pay taxes. Most of them seem to want to mess with our politics, which is against the rules. They can file a tax return like every other business.

        • NZArtist

          You seem to be confused about religion. It’s not the religion that is affirming. It’s some people being affirming despite religion.
          Religion is the curse holding them back, against which some people have resisted.
          It’d be even better if they ditched the delusions of imaginary friends – they could still be good people.
          That way they’d stop giving legitimacy to the hateful people who use their delusions to oppress gay people.

          • Religion was a basis for the arguments made by MLK, wasn’t it?

            Religion is like a mirror …. or really, a magnifying glass. It simply enhances the personality one already has by providing a transcendent motivating factor for the values one already holds.

            I suppose it can possibly make some bad people worse than they might be … but it also gives decent people the courage they might not have. So net-net … it probably balances out.

          • It was also the basis for every “defense of marriage” law and is the basis for a lot of discrimination against LGBT persons.

            We’ve got a lot of that undone through courts, which are notably forbidden from considering religious arguments.

          • True, and religion provided justifications for human slavery in early American history.

            I’m just saying that eradicating religion isn’t going to make people behave better.

            Anti-religious regimes throughout history have been responsible for gulags and the torture of innocent people. Look at North Korea or life in Russia under Stalin. Or Pol Pot.

          • Asking for a secular government is not the same as asking for an authoritarian regime that persecutes people on the basis of religion.

            I’ll leave it at that; I’m not interested in entertaining the tired right-wing Pot-Stalin-Zedong argument that secularism is just as bad as theism.

        • “Don’t broad-brush stereotype, as [religious zealots] do to us.” Fixed that for you.

          Certainly, there are benign religious people, but that’s less because religion is a force for good than because those people are relatively good people despite the role religion plays in their lives.

          • Nowhereman

            Exactly. They would be good people without religion, too.

          • another_steve

            Reasonable, Patrick. I agree that in this context, “religious zealots” = “enemies.” Which is not to say that the only enemies of LGBT equality are religious zealots, but the zealots certainly constitute a large chunk of them.

            I always like to add this point to these discussions:

            Anyone who has ever been to a Gay Pride parade has seen that many of the contingents are people and institutions of faith. LGBT Christians. LGBT Jews. LGBT Muslims. LGBT Buddhists. And the list goes on and on.

            So always, I try to be careful with my rhetoric and careful not to broad-brush condemn.

    • another_steve

      The tax-exemption status for religious institutions — Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, whatever — is the absolute abomination of our day.

      That citizens are forced, through their tax dollars, to subsidize religious practice is an absolute and unequivocal abomination.

    • T-Batwoman

      We should vote to enslave African-Americans again, that would be just as stupid and perhaps prove a point. Civil rights are rights, they cannot be left up to mob rule to decide.

      • marshlc

        Paying taxes IS a civil right, and a responsibility.

        • Todd20036

          And a privilege, when you think about it.

          Somalians don’t pay much in taxes. Bet they wish they could

      • Todd20036

        Says you. I’ve had several black slaves.

      • True … but who defines what these rights are?

        Even in America, the notion of what constitutes a natural right has varied throughout the centuries.

        Ask Saudi Arabia whether women should have the same “rights” as men. They’d probably just look at you as if you were crazy.

        I’m not being argumentative … just pointing out that Constitutional law is a bit complicated. These things aren’t really settled once and for all.

      • Nowhereman

        Not the same. Tax exempt groups are not allowed to participate in politics. Sadly the rules are worded in such a way that gives them a lot of wiggle room. Making them pay income tax and then having to file a return to claim all their good works does not interfere with their ability to follow their religion.

    • glass

      I vote yes, tax them heavily. And shockingly, I have the proxies of 20 million other Americans (just my close friends), that let me vote yes for them as well.

    • loosevowels
      • Ray Taylor

        In public no less.

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      • Nowhereman

        They can’t even spell hypocrisy.

        • Rambie

          Well, to be fair, it’s a four syllable word.

    • pj

      vote yes vote often

  • NancyP

    Huh? No discrimination in state employment, but not allowed to use appropriate restroom?
    If this passes, it will be cruising for a judicial slap-down.

    • stevenj

      “In US law, public accommodations are generally defined as facilities, both public and private, used by the public. Examples include retail stores, rental establishments and service establishments as well as educational institutions, recreational facilities, and service centers”. – from Wikipedia

      This is certainly a heinous Mass. proposal. And sounds unconstitutional.

      • Jack M.

        Wrong. The issue of discrimination in public accommodations (other than on government property) is a question of statute, not constitutional law. If this referendum passes, the only thing that will happen is that MA law will go back to what it was a few months ago. It wasn’t “unconstitutional” to allow private businesses to segregate their bathrooms by sex in April and it won’t be unconstitutional if that becomes the law again in 2018.

        • stevenj

          You are a known transphobic troll. A single group of Americans is being voted on to allow discrimination based on sex.

          • Jack M.

            The Constitution doesn’t speak to discrimination based on sex in private venues. That’s why this isn’t a constitutional issue, as you wrongly asserted.

  • AJ Drew

    and… by 2018 we’ll be in a different political climate, yes? Yeah, we will. (in a good way.)

  • lymis

    This is why it’s insanely overdue for the Courts to declare LGBT people a suspect class requiring heightened scrutiny.

    Just the concept that people can put a “do you want to repeal this anti-discrimination law” on a ballot is unconscionable.

    The next President will nominate the Supreme Court justices for the next decades.

    • another_steve

      It’s all about the Supreme Court.

      President Hillary Clinton will get little through Congress if one or both houses remain under Republican control. That’s a foregone conclusion. Forget about meaningful legislation on any front.

      It’s all about the Supreme Court.

      • Ninja0980

        Indeed, which is why we need to flip the Senate and House as well.

        • another_steve

          The Senate is looking promising.

          The House is more of a long shot, but possible.

          • Todd20036

            And that’s saying something. The House is a long shot, but not too long ago it was merely a theoretical exercise at best.

        • Nowhereman

          It’s looking more and more possible, especially it Trump’s followers refuse to vote for any GOPTPer who is not on the Trump train.

    • Paula

      And hopefully end this Religious Freedom crap once and for all. Its just an excuse to discriminate. Practice your silly religion, just don’t try to practice it on me.

      • Christian1234567

        Religious freedom ends when it requires a victim

    • Jack M.

      There are no “LGBT people” and sexual orientation and gender identity are 2 different classifications.

      • Todd20036

        I think Lymis means anyone who falls under L, B, G, or T.

        And as far as the goobers are concerned, there is no difference.

        • Nowhereman

          I couldn’t figure out what Lymis meant–I figured it must be typos.

  • m_lp_ql_m

    The pendulum is swinging the other way…

  • safari

    The Trump campaign reality dampening field sent out this image showing his momentum:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7e9f98e4d502747e6f23088a484bbe5bfe84b2bc10c10ee1e50edd947ae6682.gif

    • EweTaw

      That IS NOT happening. The Trumpanistas lie.

    • Bruno

      Pretty much guaranteeing riots and looting and poop flinging.

      • safari

        The militias of the ’90s will seem quaint.

      • KCMC

        hasn’t the poop flinging already been happening?

    • Merv99

      So, they’re counting on Minnesota, which hasn’t voted Republican since 1972. Not very likely.

    • Todd20036

      I think they’re using the 538.com map that shows who would win if only men could vote.

    • Ray Taylor

      Sad. The Trumpazies have their own world view from their trees.

  • bkmn

    The good people of Mass. will not vote for this. Its nothing more than a fundraiser for the haterz.

    • AJ Drew

      remember Romney was Gov of MA? But… he did do the groundwork via the Heritage Foundation to ultimately create “ObamaCare” so… hmm.

      • bkmn

        So was Bill Weld. But the majority of people in Mass. are very fair, they are well educated and other than the yahoos in the western part of the state are not gullible or filled with hate.

  • TexasBoy

    Let me see if I understand…a religious group, with specially protected first amendment rights and against whom is it illegal to discriminate, feels they are being discriminated against because they, as a specially protected group, do not have the ability to discriminate against another group at will.

    • Snarkaholic

      “Stewardship” = Control Freaks

    • Nowhereman

      That’s it in a nutshell–emphasis on the nut.

  • greenmanTN

    Could we set up an exchange program with Russia? If these people admire totalitarianism so much, fucking MOVE there!

    They get Brian Brown and we get Pussy Riot. Seems fair to me.

  • MBear

    assholes for jeebus

  • LovesIrony

    you fuckers don’t define my family

    • Todd20036

      They used to define my fucks until 2000

  • Paula

    These people aren’t happy unless they are hating on somebody. Why can’t they just leave people alone?

    • safari

      The need to feel superior to others to make up for their own shortcomings because of how their true selves deviate from what they believe is the ideal that won’t send them to damnation forever because the sky wizard loves them and wants to see them happy unless he sent them to damnation before they were even born but he won’t tell them because of the lulz?

    • RobynWatts

      It’s obvious……they always have to have a scapegoat in order to hold power over others.

    • NZArtist

      Because we’re a useful tool for them to rally their hordes to vote in mid-terms.
      We’re a useful collection of ‘others’ who are easily exploited with fear and hatred to get stupid people to the polls.
      It’s not actually about us as people – we’re just a useful resource to fuel the motivators of hate and fear.

      • safari

        I remember when “we” were part of the 2004 “moral election”, because of how much LGBT people were immoral and the ballot initiatives to suppress same sex marriage and civil unions (the latter many on the right refuse to believe were prohibited by them)… and how much that burned.

        • fuzzybits

          I remember finishing voting that year and I saw this little old lady asking how she could vote no on the marriage amendment. I wanted to scream at her that she was voting on my life and then kick her in the ass. But I just left seething.

      • Herald

        Notice one important fact – this is to go on the 2018 ballot, that is a midterm year. Likely one motivation for this is to push the conservative religious voter to vote.Remember what the Repubs did with all those state constitutional amendments when Bush ran for President, this is the same kind of thing. Hate and tilt an election conservative in a liberal state.

      • fuzzybits

        And to keep people in their pews and their coffers full.

        • Friday

          They obviously ain’t been to Massachusetts in a while, by the sound of things.

    • PLAINTOM

      Their lives suck .

  • AJ Drew

    New England is such an odd place, politically… supposedly a bastion of liberals yet not so much… Mass. had Romney as Gov and he truly was the fount of “Obamacare” via the very right-wing think-tank Heritage Foundation (own THAT, REPs,) and Maine has LePage (batshit crazy) and NH is oddly GOP-leaning yet keen on environmental issues.

    Transgender rights? Deval is on point, though wonky about it, but he’s facing a political storm, and yet he’s on board. This “MFI” org will turn out to be like that one “Million Moms” and be just yet another annoyance.

    • BearEyes

      as a New Englander (CT), we’re pretty much (traditional) middle of the road despite the liberal reputation. We’re not that liberal overall – it just appears that way compared to the ultra-right-wing in other parts of the country by comparison.

      • AJ Drew

        Yes, it’s the imagined confluence of wealth and the imagined liberal-bias of the SO many colleges and universities within such a small area. In reality, I think, it exacerbates the old “has vs has-not” mentality.

    • BlueberriesForMe

      Are you referring to Deval Patrick?

    • Friday

      (On trans rights in particular, it’s got a lot to do with the fact that *gay* rights came so early on a state level that like trans people weren’t even in the picture. In some ways enough time has passed in MA that it’s like the difference between 1957 and 1977 in sheer timespan terms while all this has been going on. Funny, eh?

  • Ninja0980

    The group backing this is the Massachusetts Family Institute, the same group that fought like hell to get marriage equality overturn in MA (and almost succeeded.)
    No surprise that they are linked to Focus On The Family as their state hate group.
    Here’s hoping that as it was with marriage equality, these bigots hate will be rejected once again.

    • RobynWatts

      I hope our side does a great job exposing that fact. Klanner Tony Duggar Perkins needs to be reminded that his BS doesn’t wash out north of NYC too well.

    • Jack M.

      Hmm. Marriage equality? Oh, you mean the basic human right and constitutional right that trans activists wanted to abandon? You mean our epic fight for equality which the trans activists tried to undermine at every opportunity, including denouncing the New York state legislature for passing it and calling for people to vote “no” on marriage equality in Maryland? Yah, screw them. If I were in MA, i would either actively support the repeal campaign or would just sit back and enjoy the show.

      • Friday

        What the fuck are you even talking about? Trans people couldn’t be secure in marriage to *anyone* precisely because whoever they were with they could be claimed to be “in a gay marriage.”

        Besides which, “Screw who” “Over *what?*”

        You’re accusing trans people of orchestrating some Christian right attack against *only themselves?” Why? Them being able to go to a store without getting Jim Crow never had anything to do with anyone’s marriage in Massachusetts.

  • AtticusP

    In Massachusetts?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    That question has about the same odds as would “Do you think that Roe v.Wade should be upheld, and abortion kept legal in the United States?” in Alabama.

    • AJ Drew

      umm… Charlie Baker, Romney…

      • AtticusP

        Very different. Massachusetts has always had a penchant for electing Republican governors, knowing full well that the Democratic Senate and General Court will keep them in check. Not to mention that the Democratic Party in Massachusetts has fielded some particularly unelectable candidates in some of those contests.

        But on a social issue like this, taking away rights from a class of people? This will get a few votes, no doubt. We have our share of ignorant people in the Commonwealth.

        But, just like Hillary voters vs. dRUMPf supporters, I’m confident that the good people outnumber the deplorable ones.

        • AJ Drew

          I’m with you, overall… however, the fact that MA elects REP gov’s is odd, yes? I just don’t believe the voters (and that’s amongst those who bother to vote) have some gov vs legislature balance in mind. In some ways I can view it as egalitarian, beyond political allegiance, but… yeah, I don’t know, I just think it’s odd.

          • AtticusP

            I agree: it is a bit odd.

            I have been a staunch Democrat for years, although I am unenrolled because, with that status, I can vote in either primary in this state.

            I have voted for a couple of Republican governors, only because the Democratic alternative was either unfit or unacceptable to me in some way.

            Never Romney, however. I had his number a long time ago.

          • Friday

            As detailed above, the Mass Democratic party has always had a really stupid way of “Let’s get outflanked on the *left* on social issues by the freaking *Mormon corporate raider who says Closing your factory will be good for you and looks like Guy Smiley while the Herald goes, ‘Look at all these people on a boat, it’s just like the fricking Kennedys somehow..* That sounds like a good plan.”

        • Friday

          The thing about MA’s ‘penchant for electing Republican governors’ is cause the state Democratic Party has a really stupid way of putting up right wing ‘Democrats’ for the office, that mean like a Weld and Romney, can outflank a Silber etc on the *left* that way.

  • PLAINTOM

    Okay boys and girls what did we learn in right wing Bible School this week ? 1) Adultery is no big deal. 2) lying is a virtue. 3) if you sexually assault someone your parents will reward you. finally 4) Even though “Christians ” have proven to the country that we have no deeply held religious beliefs, we continue to hide behind religion as camouflage for our personal bigotry.

    • AJ Drew

      you forgot one thing: despite your wealth, your son Eric should buy that 49 cent tube of Chap Stick. No, really, he should.

    • Friday

      “But you better be sure you can abuse trannies in retail, it embiggens your arse. Or else you’re being ‘persecuted for being Christian. Ask Trump.”

  • RobynWatts

    I really hope the people of Massachusetts will tell this group where they can shove this proposed law. I and so many others are so tired of having to defend ourselves from bigoted Jesus freaks, just so that I can live.

    • Friday

      Specifying would be indelicate. “You know where you can stick it” is something we can ellide down to a few syllables. 🙂

  • EweTaw

    OFF TOPIC: I’m laying here in bed watching With All Due Respect and Mark Halperin asks a guest pundit, “Is it all over? Is the election in the bank for Hillary?” And the pundit answers, “Yes. It’s over. There is no way Trump will be president.” Another pundit then asks, “Then why are we here? Can we go home?”

    It just gave big warm internal hugs. Or maybe that’s the fever I’m currently running.
    Sorry. I just had to share. 🙂

    • AJ Drew

      Isn’t it 3pm in EweTaw and you’re in bed? Hmm. Well, fever or not, blanket hug back at ya.

      • EweTaw

        Thanks. If I can work up enough strength to masturbate this evening I’ll keep you in my fantasies. 🙂

        • AJ Drew

          that’s kinda creepy and yet I thank you… I think. Ahem. Hope you feel better soon.

    • Chucktech

      All over. Well. Guess I don’t have to bother voting…

      • BearEyes

        It’s ok not to vote if you’re a rethuglikkkan.

  • Michael Smith

    O/T So much for “just locker room talk”
    https://twitter.com/nickconfessore/status/786336178719055872

    • Chucktech

      You just KNEW they were out there.

      • pj

        there will be a lot more. just wait.

      • Friday

        Cause they ain’t the first and it’s also not the first time Trump’s been ‘braggadocious’ about it? They still ain’t even dipped into back issues of People magazine.

  • BearEyes

    ugh – civil rights on the ballot again.
    would love to see maybe a court case declaring that civil rights should not be at the whim of a popularity contest like this so we could somehow shut these down. Not sure if that’s the right vehicle, but I’m just thinking out loud.

    • Friday

      I’m not as afraid for my home state there. the Christianists might well stir up a few bashings in the process but I don’t think they’ll get the votes. (Frankly they’re trying to leverage some attention for just that and I’ve lived in ‘neighborhoods’ with more than 33K people there. )

      • BearEyes

        I understand that living next door in CT, but it still bristles me whenever I see civil rights on the ballot. It’s also a mid-year when dems don’t always show up,

        • Friday

          I’ve been saying ‘Don’t make me come back up there’ about shit like this for years. I’ll fucking go back up there if I have to ….or can for that matter. I have other things to be homesick for, but kicking Fundie arse is also nostalgic.

  • SoCalGal20
    • safari

      Tic-tacs are going to have to do damage control a la French’s mustard during the eve of the Iraq war.

    • Herald

      Groping a stranger during a plane flight and another in an Trump Tower elevator no less! trump is a serial sexual predator – period!

    • Friday

      Therefore they must defend women against innocent trans people while insisting it’s OK for Trump cause ‘all men are like that.’ (In Republican world.)

    • Ray Taylor

      dtrumpf never remembers rejection. To him it means it never happened.

  • safari

    O/T: Texas judge officiates same-sex marriage and leaves GOP citing its chosen dark path.
    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/10/texas-judge-officiates-sex-marriage-quits-republican-party

  • acde

    Note how much money this initiative to tax religions would add to the public coffers

  • Ben in Oakland

    Well, now that you’re making it into a ballot issue, as opposed to a back room deal in a bigoted legislature, we can expect to have a full-on public debate on the merits. You may not like the results.

  • Jack M.

    Yaasss! So glad to see a trans-only issue get on the ballot. Finally, trans activists will have to defend and explain their position on trans issues without hiding behind gay rights or using LGB people as their human shields. These people have used us and exploited us and have shaken us down. And on their own blogs and websites they talk about us with utmost contempt. So let the anti-gay Christians duke it out with anti-gay trans activists. Pass the fracking popcorn!!

    • NZArtist

      Fuck off, troll.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Although he’s a troll, there’s sadly a whiff of truth in what he writes. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t support his vapid views at all, but there is a strain of the separatism within the LGB community that seems to see the T as separate because of the sexualtiy vs. gender dynamic. It’s BS of course, but again, there’s a enough of a constituency within our community that buys into this. It will one to watch on Nov. 8th.

        • Friday

          There’s no ‘truth’ to his claims to separatism, though: in fact ‘LGB’ rights have been secure long enough in Massachusetts that adding tans inclusion lately was simply overdue. The Christian Right is just trying to chip at it all by *attacking* already-extant trans protections in public accommodations. “Trans activists” have nothing to do with it, never mind for “Anti-LGB” reasons.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            Re-read my comment, I said there is a strain within the LGB community and there is, I’ve encountered more than a few times. LGB’ who say Trans issues aren’t the same because on deals with sexuality and the other deals with gender. I also noted that I find such nonsense just that, nonsense. Whether you like it or not, there is a minority of LGB’s who do subscribe to the separatist construct. I think you may have misconstrued my comment.

          • Friday

            I’m well aware of that transphobic strain, actually; I used to help run a shelter for battered trans people. From those days, it’s no wonder there’s some transwomen who think gay men are just lecherous abusers, but they sure as shit ain’t behind this Internet anti-LGBT bullshit. If anything *they’re* the ones who pay first for men in the closet.

          • Friday

            Well, of course everything’s not “the same.” But who among us was ever even asked the difference, never mind if we actually did any of their “sins” before a bashing?

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            WHAT?!? You need to formulate a more cogent response, because what you just wrote makes no sense.

          • Friday

            What’s ‘not cogent’ about pointing out that bashers really don’t care or even ask if we’re throwing anyone under the bus? They don’t even check on their *own* justifications.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            You know what, I’m done. All I did was address the idiocy of the stupid troll and you chose slam me. Fine. Whatever. I won’t comment anymore where you’re concerned, that way I won’t somehow offend you. Satisfied?

        • BobSF_94117

          There’s no “whiff of truth” in what he said. What you’re recognizing is that he’s one of those LGB (supposedly) people who don’t like the T community. That doesn’t make what he says true. It just makes him one of those types.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            That was my point, there is within the gay community a strain of separation, so yes, there’s a “whiff of truth” to what he’s saying. Why are people purposefully misreading my comment? Is there a desire to create offense where none was given? If so, please stop. I’m not the enemy here but I do tire of this nonsense.

    • Paula

      Aren’t you just a ray of fucking sunshine.

      • Jack M.

        I try!

        • Paula

          Not succeeding, though.

          • Jack M.

            I know better than to get into a fight with Sarah Connor.

          • Paula

            Touche!

          • Friday

            Well, you surely ain’t looked at your own issues. Do you even know Massachusetts?

    • Ben in Oakland

      Thanks, Mr. Trump. Now will you deal with your issues?

    • Todd20036

      As much as I’d love to read your anti trans tirades, I’m going to report you, then block you.

      Fuck off.

    • Friday

      Needless to say, you’re *so* full of shit. All other LGBT people *but* those treated as trans have had full civil rights in Massachusetts for a *long* time now. How exactly do you figure some bigots barely squeaking by a *very-specifically-anti-trans* petition count has anything to do with “Anti-gay trans people?”

      Specify what kind of moron you think you are *right* now.

      • Jack M.

        First, there are no “LGBT people.” There are LGB people and there are T people. “LGBT” was invented in the 1990s in order to redirect the money and labor of the LGB civil rights movement to trans activism. It’s not a legitimate construct, but a tool of exploitation.

        Second, I said “anti-gay trans activists” not “anti-gay trans people.” There is a difference.

        Third, the Christians didn’t “squeak by” on their petitions. They turned in their signatures when they were confident that they had more than enough. Since this is for the 2018 ballot, they had plenty more time to gather had they wanted to. There just wasn’t any point in doing that since they already had enough. It looks like they estimated correctly. Now go and fight your wars with them. May both sides lose. We won’t be your mercenary army any longer.

        • Friday

          Again, exactly what kind of moron do you think you are to think ‘trans activists’ paid Christian Right radicals to what, attack *only* themselves, to …what, get at all other LGBT people who’ve had these same rights for years now, unassailably, I might add?

          You said you would support the Christian RIght against *all* trans people over this paranoia about what you say about ‘trans activists’ who have *nothing to do with this measure by the anti-trans Christian Right.*

          And seriously, you’re ostensibly a gay *man.* Theoretically I have less in common with *you* than trans people cause I get a hard time for wearing a fucking *work shirt cause it doesn’t fit my supposed gender when all I was fucking doing is turning wrenches and need to run an errand once in a while.*

          All LBT people have had to bear the ‘burden’ of that ‘G’ hookup culture all along, if you want to break it down that way, and there are *damn good reasons we chose not to do that.* Yah, gals get treated as ‘diseased’ when it’s *you* who can’t keep it in your fucking pants. And yes, trans people getting murdered for trying to live because *you* like your ‘sassy drag sex-fun freaking the straights out.’ No one deserves how any of us are treated but *you* need to wake up and look at what the fuck is even happening in the world now.

          Or at least what a bill you’re stumping for even *says,* asshole.

          Same reasons that what you are doing now is exactly what our oppressors want, and they really don’t give a shit where *you* split hairs.

        • Friday

          (Btw, tell the Vatican that, why don’t you. They insist your biological deterministic birth-genitals mean you must marry a woman and pretend to be straight ‘to obey their God.’ You wanna split hairs, start kissing rings and see how that goes this time. Maybe try it in Eastern Europe, see how they like you there. Blame all the trans people you want. Or look at Mexico.)

          • Jack M.

            The beliefs of the Vatican or the Eastern Orthodox Church or hillbillies in Kentucky don’t create “LGBT people.” If people hold wrong ideas, we educate them. We don’t organize our identities around the wrong ideas. The fact that LGBT justifies its existence by reference to homophobia is evidence that LGBT is itself objectively homophobic.

          • Friday

            Uh, what kind of stupid is *that* supposed to be? LGBT people exist regardless of what your religion or your separatism say. Each type would exist independently, but splitting up the LGBT community wouldn’t make the *bigots* start giving a crap about the differences all of a sudden, or mean they can’t and don’t use homophobia against trans people and transphobia against lesbians and gays. It’s not rocket science.

          • Jack M.

            They do exist independently and cannot be “split up” because they are not together.

    • Michael R

      Log Cabin Republican ?

      • Jack M.

        Proud LGB Democrat, thank you kindly for asking.

        • Friday

          You didn’t pass the test for brains on either. Retry?

          • djcoastermark

            did he “pass” his brains ? sure sounds like it.

          • Friday

            He’s proud of it like his potty’s an achievement.

    • djcoastermark

      say nighty night troll.

  • Dirk Prophet

    Damn theocrats.

    • Friday

      These are the assholes that whine about ‘State’s Rights’ then do all they can to prevent the Bay State just living in peace.

  • Stev84

    Democracy. You’re doing it wrong.

  • Michael R

    Bring God to court with you or shut the fuck up .

    • djcoastermark

      Spot on. If these wing nuts claim it is god’s word, he told them so, make him show up in court and f***n prove it already. Subpoena him, see if he shows up to testify. Otherwise, case dismissed.Enough of this gawd crap already.

    • Friday

      She’d be like, “Get the fuck out of this state *and* shaddup.” 🙂

  • Dagoril

    “Be salt and light…” What a coincidence, Toni PerKKKins uses the same language in this other post right here on JMG…

    http://www.joemygod.com/2016/10/12/tony-perkins-on-pussygate/

    I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that the Dominionists are behind this one.

    • Friday

      Yeah, in Massachusetts, don’t salt no earth, and the light’s just fine. More than enough to see these bastiches for what they wanna come in with.

      • BobSF_94117

        I assume an exception is made for salting sidewalks and roadways.

    • KnownDonorDad

      All the flavors to choose from, and they chose to be salty.

  • RichW

    These hate-filled anti-LBGT wingnuts are so worried about the potential, albeit highly unlikely, that women and girls would be molested by a trans-person in a public bathroom, but seem to have little or no problem with their Charlatan Donny presidential candidate actually groping and bragging about his sexual assaults on women. What hateful hypocrites!

    • Friday

      Actually Massachusetts has had trans rights at least to the point of bathrooms for years and no one even noticed, never mind found a ‘trans Willie Horton.’ This is for funds and to stir hate on the Christian RIght’s part. They got international crimes against humanity to answer for soon in Masachusetts.

  • BlueberriesForMe

    Our MA governor, Charlie Baker, is a Republican and signed the bill into law. This should prove interesting in 2018 when he is running for re-election. From what I’ve read, this ballot initiative has little support except from the “group” that put it together. However, we’ll (the MA voters) still be subject to the same old shit we’ve heard before.

    • djcoastermark

      2 years of carp it will be too.

    • Friday

      Really it’s probably an excuse for that Focus on the Family hydra’s head to try and stir up some trans-bashings. They probably hope it’ll be just messy enough to defame someone to hate enough via free media coverage and like preachers in Pelham or something. .

    • Tor

      It’s a pretty low bar. Only 32, 375 names needed?

    • KnownDonorDad

      Hopefully it will be a dull roar. How much media have you seen about the four ballot questions this year? I see some yard signs and a few internet ads about Question 2, which is probably the most contentious.

  • djcoastermark

    I know others have said, but I must add my 2 cents, How can anyone be allowed to vote to take away someone else’s rights?

    • MBear

      murrikkka!

    • Friday

      People forget that even a referendum is still the government. The government is not allowed this power without passing judicial scrutiny at all levels.

    • Theoretically they can’t. It’s an established principle of American law that fundamental rights are not subject to popular vote — that’s why we have the Bill of Rights.

      It would be interesting to see the outcome if this referendum were challenged on that ground.

  • Hank

    Somehow, I cannot believe, that the State of Mass, either the State Houses nor its Supreme Court, would go for RESTRICTING Civil Rights!!!

    • Friday

      They won’t. This is just hoping to stir some hate, cause, inconveniently for the Fundies in Massachusetts and national GOP, trans people just won’t get down to raping people in bathrooms after all this time, dammit.

  • BudClark

    KKKonservative KKKristianist KKKultists can kiss my gay ass!

    • Friday

      They gotta get through Massachusetts first. Wait your turn. 🙂

  • KnownDonorDad

    This is going to go down in flames, especially after two years of the parade of horribles they crow about still not coming true…looking forward to voting against it.

  • KnownDonorDad

    It’s amazing to me that in such a progressive state, we harbor folks like the Massachusetts Family Institute, Mass Resistance, Scott Lively….

  • Falconlights

    Oh, FFS. These people just CANNOT do anything but hate and seek to limit the rights of anyone who isn’t EXACTLY like them.

  • Barry William Teske

    Like I keep saying.
    These kinds of Christians ARE the problem.
    And as long as they continue to enjoy the free ride at everyone elses expense, expect more problems.

  • Max_1

    Tax the church…

  • BobSF_94117

    I wonder why MA has such a remarkably low threshold for initiating a referendum. 1.5% of the vote in the previous gubernatorial (snicker, snicker, I can’t help it) election. WTF?

    https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_the_initiative_process_in_Massachusetts#Number_required

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  • Cosmo Tupper

    “Engaging the World Biblically Through Christian Civic IMPOSITION” Be Christian or leave the planet, perhaps?

  • JellyDonut

    SMH

  • cpinva

    since when are a citizen’s civil rights up to a vote? this is violative, on its face, of 14A, and should never have been allowed to be put on a ballot. what the hell is wrong with those people?