Jake Tapper Roasts Giuliani On Trump’s Taxes [VIDEO]

Via Mediaite:

Sunday morning’s political chat circuit saw the beginning of fallout from the New York Times‘ bombshell report on a leaked tax document that shows Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump may not have paid any federal income tax over a period of as much as 18 years. On CNN’s State of the Union, Trump campaign surrogate Rudy Giuliani took a most unpleasant turn on the roasting spit, as anchor Jake Tapper pressed him on his every talking point, and eventually just openly mocked him.

Giuliani began by contending that Trump is a “genius” for paying no federal income tax for at least two years that we know of, which prompted Taper to ask if paying taxes makes the rest of Americans stupid, but things really took a wrong turn when Giuliani refused to tell a visible stunned Tapper whether or not he, personally, pays any income tax, then repeatedly asserted that Trump could be sued by his business partners if he failed to take advantage of personal income tax provisions.

  • bkmn

    Hey Jake, next time you have this hack on ask him what real experience he has with national security. Being mayor of a city that was attacked gives him experience dealing with the aftermath but not how to prevent another.

    • Bob Conti

      Maybe a good start is to NOT put the office of emergency services in a high-rise potential target but rather a non-descript bunker like place that could withstand an attack or natural disaster.

      • Bad Tom

        …a high-rise potential target which had been attacked before.

        I mean, who could possibly think it might be attacked again?
        Except non-morons.

        • Bob Conti

          Indeed. Thank you for that.

    • Chucktech

      Actually, Jake, the next time you’re on teevee, try not to say stooopid shit like “good American citizens wouldn’t try to use EVERY legal loophole to avoid paying taxes.”

      Yes, we fucking would.

  • Michael R
    • DaddyRay

      Make America where only the little people pay taxes

    • olandp

      Shouldn’t it read “Make America the place where I screw everyone else over”?

      • Michael R

        He just has a really good head start , give him the presidency and watch him go !

  • EweTaw

    Little Napolean stamps his feet and tries to make others pay attention. He needs a diaper change and a nap.

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    Wasn’t Tapper asking about Trump’s personal income taxes? Giuliani kept deflecting to corporate income taxes.

    • Acronym Jim

      Exactly, and then he suggested that Warren Buffet pay the tax rate that Buffet thinks is fair. The federal tax code doesn’t work that way.

      Maybe it’s Giuliani who needs better accountants and lawyers.

    • 2patricius2

      That’s what I thought. But then maybe Trump and his businesses are so entwined – like Trump and his foundation – that Giuliani and Trump do not see any difference.

      • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

        I wish Tapper had pointed out the difference. In the panel discussion later, Neera Tanden made this same point.

        • 2patricius2

          I didn’t hear the following discussion. I’m glad Neera Tanden did make the point.

  • Phil

    Is it just me or isn’t it eerily similar in so many ways to the Leona Helmsley scandal: wealthy NY property developer paying no taxes and stiffing people, abusive behavior, etc. I am beginning to believe in reincarnation.

    • Randy Left Brooklyn

      The difference between Leona and Donald is that Leona was engaging in tax EVASION (illegally writing off personal expenses as business expenses ) which is different from tax AVOIDANCE (utilizing the tax code legally to reduce the taxes owed).

      • EweTaw

        At this point we do not know if Trump is guilty of illegally writing off personal expenses as business expenses. His dipping into his foundation to pay for portraits and paying judgements doesn’t look good. And when/if he discloses his taxes we will know more.

        • Randy Left Brooklyn

          I agree that if he was using foundation money to pay of business or personal expenses that is tax evasion and not avoidance, but at this point we only have allegations. That would be similar to Leona remodeling her house and charging the costs to her real estate business

          If he had a tax loss carryforward that was a legal way to avoid paying taxes.

        • Randy Left Brooklyn

          BTW, his tax returns would not reveal things like moving the portrait from the foundation offices to his home. That is the kind of thing you would have to have insider information to catch. The IRS is going to look at the receipt and isn’t very likely to ask where the painting is.

          They may catch things like using the foundation money to pay off lawsuits, but they may not, depending upon whether they check to see the invoice, or lack thereof.

          • Joe in PA

            Exactly, which is why the WaPo reporter was successful in uncovering a lot of this crap. He used social networking et. al. and got tips that way.

            (I’m not saying every journalist should employ this method, but it seems to have worked in this case.)

          • Randy Left Brooklyn

            I wondered how they found that out.

      • Mister Don

        Did he pay his tax accountants?

      • gaymex1

        …and you don’t think Donald is doing the same?

        • j.martindale

          Exactly. His “Foundation” is a tax avoidance scheme that takes personal income from his debtors as charitable contributions when it should be identified as income.

          • Chucktech

            His “Foundation” is a tax avoidance scheme…

            No, it’s a tax evasion scheme. Avoiding taxes is legal. Evading them is not. And while it causes me some gastronomic distress to say it, Rudy was right. If these outrageous losses were legit losses, Trump, like anyone else, including you and I, would take advantage of every legal loop hole the IRS allows.

          • gaymex1

            Don’t be silly…taxes are for the little people.

        • Randy Left Brooklyn

          It sounds like that is the case. My point was about the tax loss carryforward.

        • Randy Left Brooklyn

          I don’t know. Moving the portrait is something I can see some underling doing without thinking about the fact that it involves taking foundation money and transferring it to personal use without paying for it. They would just jump for the boss’s wishes.

          As for the business lawsuits being paid by the foundation, if it were 1 or 2 I could see that as an honest mistake. If it were 20 or 30 it is tax evasion.

          • gaymex1

            I would also cut him some slack for a couple of mistakes, but I doubt that’s the case.
            Seeing his tax filings could totally clear this up and exhonerate him.
            Or not.

          • Randy Left Brooklyn

            This stuff isn’t going to show up on his personal tax return. For example, if the IRS determined that he had the painting, he would be required to pay the foundation for the painting, and it would likely be the foundation who paid the IRS penalty.

            But even if the IRS required him to pay penalty, where would that show up on his personal tax returns? IRS penalties are not tax deductible.

          • gaymex1

            The solution would be to show all tax returns, not just personal. Also, the results of all IRS hearings and all penalties should be disclosed.
            Why not? It’s not too much to require for anyone who wants to be President.
            Why not for all elected offices? What’s wrong with full disclosure?

  • ByronK

    Oh god, grandpa got drunk at Thanksgiving again.

  • JellyDonut

    Giuliani is a freaking NUT!!

  • Lakeview Bob

    Couldn’t watch it all. I am not very impressed with Tapper and can only tolerate seconds of this stupid old cross dresser.

    • SunsetGay

      Actually, Tapper did really well in this segment! I too have had doubts about Tapper in the past but lately he has really been lacerating these Trump fuckers.

      He refused to let Rudy Garland have it.

      • Lakeview Bob

        You are right. My comment was based on past feelings.

  • Blake Jordan

    So the rich not contributing to the welfare of the country is a good thing?

    Then they have the audacity to complain about infrastructure, etcetera…

  • bambinoitaliano

    There lies the financial problem with USA. Not big government. Rather it’s the dead beat businessmen and the dead beat corporations that evade responsibility of paying taxes. All these angry Bernie bros and trumpetters should direct their anger at these deadbeats. Trump’s was loud and clear he intended to cut more taxes for the businessmen and corporations yet it just flew over the angry supporters.

    • SunsetGay

      Uuuuummmm actually, this is exactly what the Bernie people were outraged about. This was the entire underlying premise of Sanders’ campaign. That the system is rigged against the working/middle classes.

      While I have been a Clinton supporter since the beginning, I do think we need to be careful not to lump the millions of good Sanders supporters in with the Basket of Deplorables. It is because of Sanders that tax evasion and corporate deadbeats became a political issue.

      • bambinoitaliano

        At some point it does comes down to the voters themselves. Apple corp an American company, the wealthiest in the world set its corporation in Ireland to evade tax. Shouldn’t these Bernie bros look at what company they are supporting before get all huff and puff about crooked politicians?

      • Bruno

        Still, it seems to me in the last few months that many of the Sanders supporters fell into the trap of laser focus on Clinton herself, rather than the real enemies.

    • CottonBlimp

      Before you turn this into an anti Bernie-screed, remind me, who was President in 1995 while Trump was taking extreme advantage of the tax code? And has Obama done or will Hillary do anything about massive companies evading tax?

      • bambinoitaliano

        My bigger point is about this election. There are no choices out there. It’s either a sociopath/con man or Hillary. Many are squabbling over specific issues which would make sense on any other elections in the past. Even the conservative press one by one sounding like a broken record reminding people this is not a normal election cycle. A president has to have the ability to handle complicated multitude of issues. We are not talking about some third world country or even Canada who have little influence at the world stage. Trumpettes, Bernie bros, Alt Right, undecided ,whatever the group who are zero in on everything else but the megalomaniac of a Trump are not looking at the big picture.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    Gee, I wonder how much body armor and armored vehicles our government could have bought with the estimated billion dollars in tax that Trump didn’t pay?

    • Chucktech

      Military grade body armor and armored vehicles supplied by defense contractors? Probably a couple or three.

  • Michael R

    Someone on Raw Story pointed this out , which is important :

    ” “He knows how to operate the tax code for the benefit of the people he’s serving.”

    WTF? This is not a publicly-traded corporation! There are no investors! “

    • j.martindale

      Of course, that is true since he serves only himself and his own interests.

  • Do Something Nice

    Sadly, Giuliani is right on this. The majority of Americans worship at the altar of trying to get out of paying taxes, and in this regard, Trump is their hero.

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      It needs to be turned around: If the wealthy pay less taxes, you and I pay more….Corporations used to pay about a third of the cost of running our country. Now its 14%. Who do you think pays the rest?

      • Do Something Nice

        I already know that. I’m actually more strident: I object to it being called ‘charitable giving’ if you get a tax break by doing so.

        • Skokieguy [Larry]

          I’m okay with a tax deduction for charitable giving, but I think it should be means-tested. If you are low income and makes a donation, I think the person should receive the full tax credit according to current IRS rules, but I think the percentage that can be claimed should go down as the individual’s net worth goes up.

      • RoFaWh

        Nobody, which is why infrastructure is crumbling (etc).

    • Lazycrockett

      Drumpf platform on taxes is to reduce even more taxes the Rich pay, these supporters of his are just blindly following the white guy.

    • Mike in Texas

      I wonder how many will follow his example of failing in business in order to do so. 😉

      • Do Something Nice

        There are so many unfair tax breaks that it makes me dizzy.

      • RoFaWh

        Let me rephrase that just a little more clearly:

        Lose money in business? Tough.

    • RoFaWh

      Maybe it’s time to make income tax returns public? That may be the only way to ensure that everyone is paying what they should.

      The IRS report-cheats line would melt down from the number of calls, however.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    I hate these anti-tax people. How the fuck do you live in a society if there are no taxes? Takes pay for military, policy, roads, bridges, research & development, etc, etc. etc. They have no clue where a government gets their money from. I just can’t stomach the plague of stupidity spreading across the country.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/89b2385ae22e5646feed52f6e905e7e72eafb6486ae8a9c60c84655c0ee44460.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/67e7c51a5e527a3886f2c802e3972b87d9e2867b5bd28260e4d593059994be98.jpg

    • Oikos
      • j.martindale

        Unfortunately, we live in a country where an elementary education does not prevent some 40 percent of the voting population from being stupid.

        • Oikos

          Because we teach to pass tests instead of teaching how to think critically.

          • j.martindale

            I blame Texass textbooks, too.

          • Joe in PA

            Just because they copy-n-paste from the bible directly into textbooks doesn’t make them bad. /s

          • Rebecca Gardner
          • “Electricity is a myster. No one has ever observed it or heard it or felt it.”

            Stick a fork in a socket. You’ll feel it.

          • jmax

            Stand in the middle of a fairway holding your 9 iron over your head during a lightning storm. Then report back if you observed anything.

          • Reginaaharper1

            Google is paying 97$ per hour! Work for few hours and have longer with friends & family! !ch289f:
            On tuesday I got a great new Land Rover Range Rover from having earned $8752 this last four weeks.. Its the most-financialy rewarding I’ve had.. It sounds unbelievable but you wont forgive yourself if you don’t check it
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          • RoFaWh

            Go outside in a thunder storm. See the lightning?

          • TrollopeReader

            So Ben Franklin lied??

          • JD

            Tell me this is NOT a textbook… The coverage of the Finnish classroom (and French lunchroom) in Michael Moores “Where to invade next?” is revealing. So is Gopnik’s “The Gardener and the Carpenter” on how children learn.

          • Rebecca Gardner

            Yes, it’s an actual textbook.

            Science 4 for Christian Schools
            https://www.amazon.com/Science-Christian-Schools-Home-Teachers/dp/0890845697

          • Rebecca Gardner
          • Chicago joe

            Please tell me this is a parody. What goobers teach this? If presented with this “understanding” in a job candidate for my software team, my head would explode.

        • Nic Peterson

          They graduate to Fox and the whole thing is lost.

        • RoFaWh

          Part of that problem is the attitude among the earth mothers that it’s cruel to their little snowflakes to require them to bust ass learning stuff.

      • Robert Conner

        But Trump has expressed his love for ignorant people. After all, they’re his base.

      • RoFaWh

        He said “stupid” but it would have been more to the point had he said “badly educated”.

        • Oikos

          or uneducated.

    • tcinsf

      Honestly, when dealing with the alphabet soup of propositions in this State, one of the first things I look for is whether the Howard Jarvis Taxpayer’s Association is supporting it or not, and my default until further research is to vote in opposition to whatever position they take.
      I call it Gilligan logic. If Gilligan says do “X”, then do “Y”

      • Rebecca Gardner

        Please vote NO on Prop 60.

        • tcinsf

          Sure, if you say so. Honestly, that’s one I really don’t give a flying fuck about, and my primary reason to vote against it would be that anything that comes from Micheal Weinstein gets the same treatment as anything coming from Howard Jarvis.

          Now … given that premise, what’s your take on the other Weinstein proposition, 61?

          And what’s your take on SF Proposition V .. the sugary drink tax? Another one I don’t care that much about … but the big soda advertising campaign is so dishonest and so aggravating I feel like a vote for it is almost necessary as a warning not to pull that shit.

          • Bruno

            I didn’t realize SF was voting on the soda tax too, like Oakland. I’m hating that advertising, too, though I’m probably going to vote against it because I don’t really think it’s all that fair to tax one type of beverage over another, regardless of the health issues raised. And these types of taxes hurt the consumer. They should be restricted to addictive items like cigarettes.

          • Rebecca Gardner

            I’m all for Prop V for the same reason I’m for the huge taxes on cigarettes. Soda is horrible for your body. The High Fructose Corn Syrup is bad enough but, thanks to the Sugar industry fighting for decades to hide the fact, it is only now being told to the public now that Sugar is the leading cause of heart disease. So it’s a tax against diabetes. obesity, and heart disease.

            As for Prop 61 I am totally against that one. Who wrote Prop 61 anyway? The Pharma douche bro? Yeah, that is NOT getting my vote.

          • tcinsf

            Weinstein’s people wrote it. I believe Bernie was for it when he was campaigning here … so it was rather odd to see Bernie supporting something Weinstein and his people wrote.

          • I agree we should drink less soda because it’s unhealthy, but I think targeting soda for it when there many other food stuff loaded with unnecessary sugar is kinda arbitrary.

          • Rebecca Gardner

            But soda taxes are working, and I don’t really see it as arbitrary, it’s a very unhealthy food item. I stopped drinking soda in my teens when I started looking at is as poison, but that’s just me.

            Berkeley’s Soda Tax Appears To Cut Consumption Of Sugary Drinks
            http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/08/23/491104093/berkeleys-soda-tax-appears-to-cut-consumption-of-sugary-drinks

            Mexico’s Soda Tax Success
            https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-01-08/mexico-s-soda-tax-success

          • RoFaWh

            The killer will be the cookie, candy, pie, cake, ice cream, and pastry taxes.

          • ShawnSwagger

            Just this past week, a story hit the news revealing how the sugar industry has been gaming research for decades and engaging in other practices very similar to what Big Tobacco did for decades.

            http://www.thedailynewsonline.com/dco/pittsburgh-post-gazette-sweet-and-sordid—how-the-sugar-industry-gamed-vital-research-20160916

      • Whenever I read Howard Jarvis Taxpayer’s Association’s literature (because the send endless mail to my dad’s house), I always feel like “taxpayer” is actually a code word for a very specific group of people.

        • RoFaWh

          Would you care to tell us what characterizes that very specific group of people?

          Or does it change from day to day?

          • suburbanites, of a pale complexion, living in houses un-affordable to most Californians.

    • Steverino

      Exactly. To me, not paying one’s fair share of taxes is unpatriotic.

    • Nic Peterson

      Alexander Hamilton made me look up the word rapine. Happy Sunday morning RG!

  • JT

    Ghouliani: I want brains. I need brains.
    http://www.phawker.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/ghouliani.jpg

  • Texndoc

    Rachel Maddow really did a good job with his “If Hillary didn’t know about Lewinsky, she’s too stupid to be President”. Did you know Giuliani’s first marriage was to his cousin? And after years and years when he wanted a new wife being the good “Roman Catholic” he is, he successfully got the Vatican to annul the marriage on the grounds he didn’t know he had married his cousin. Ah, that’s SMART, not STUPID.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]
  • Bill Post

    Shorter Giuliani: how come chanting 9-11 doesn’t work anymore?

    • Acronym Jim

      Because, magically, it now appears to have happened on Obama’s watch.

      • Bill Post

        Duh

  • Yixing’s Fluffer

    I’ve read people joking about it, but it really does look like he sat on his glasses. This man seems to be losing whatever amount of “it” he ever had.

    • RoFaWh

      If that’s the case, then the question is “what the fuck is wrong with him?”

      I sit on my glasses every once in a long while. When it happens, I simply run them down to the optician I bought them from, give them to her to repair while I pet her little dog, and come away with either no bill at all (she noticed) or a nominal charge of $10 (she didn’t notice doggy’s happiness).

      Takes about an hour including driving time.

      What the fuck is wrong with Giuliani?

  • TuuxKabin

    I wish ghouliani would wear ‘shades’, more appropriate look and we wouldn’t have to see his creepy, demonic eyes.

    • safari
      • TuuxKabin

        So unhinged.

      • OdieDenCO

        the sclera flash is creepy. I’ve been trying to correlate it to his speech but it seems to happen at random times

        • Treant

          It happens when the demons try to dominate the last of his mind.

      • TuuxKabin

        Hillaryous.

    • Bj Lincoln

      His glasses are too small and twisted. Like he sat on them or something. I kept trying not to look at his eyes.

      • TuuxKabin

        Gawd you made me laugh, just the ‘like he sat on them or something’. “MOM! Grandpa sat on his glasses again!” HIs eyes are horrors. Hate the man for so many reasons. One. After being diagnosed with prostate ca he cut the funding for free prostate testing city wide. Just to put that out there.

  • tcinsf

    One of the things that Tapper ALMOST did a good job of pointing out is that there is a difference between Trump’s PERSONAL taxes and his business filings.

    • Mike in Texas

      I should have read down the thread before making a similar comment.

      • tcinsf

        You can’t make the same obvious point too many times. In these times of bullshit layered on bullshit, truth needs to be repeated and lies pointed out, and it can’t be done too often.

  • Lazycrockett

    Christie is lumbering around also.

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/782608590821584896

    • Randy Left Brooklyn

      BTW, it doesn’t take a genius to make use of a tax loss carry forward. It is an ordinary and obvious tax deduction.

      • Bruno

        I think the “genius” they’re intimating is that he purposely made an oopsie with 1 billion of other peoples’ money so that he wouldn’t have to pay taxes for years afterwards.

        • Randy Left Brooklyn

          The other people’s money would not be tax deductible for him.

          • Bruno

            I’m sure if he’s as smart as they think he is, he found a way to quickly turn those other people’s money into his own for tax purposes.

  • Leo

    Tapper’s perpetual “bitch PLEASE” look never ceases to amuse on CNN freeze frames.

  • Mike in Texas

    Tapper could have done better in relieving Giuliani of his confusion about the distinction between corporate taxes and personal income taxes.

    • John30013

      Yes he could have, especially since, unless Trump’s businesses are all sole proprietorships (and I seriously doubt that), then there definitely is a legal distinction between his personal income and the income of his companies. (And if he’s fudging that distinction then he’s breaking the law.)

      • RoFaWh

        Paul Martin, former Finance Minister of Canada, and Prime Minister when marriage equality passed in Parliament, bless his heart, commented that the problem isn’t the number of tax brackets. (Canada only has three.) It’s in the definition of income where all the complications arise. One tax bracket (i.e. flat tax) or a hundred, income still has to be defined, and in Canada, the law is much like that in the US: a tangle of exemptions and special provisions that has gradually accumulated over the years.

        • hudson11

          Our same Paul Martin also found himself in a scandal over avoiding taxes by registering part of his shipping fleet offshore. All legal and if its legal, its going to be exploited.

    • Chucktech

      Tapper should also have not have (essentially) said something so idiotic as “patriots don’t look for every legal tax loophole.” If they don’t, they’re real patsy patriots…

      • grada3784

        Because what we have in this country isn’t worth paying for?

        • Chucktech

          Who said that? I’m saying anyone with half a brain isn’t going to pay any more tax than they are legally required to pay.

          • grada3784

            Yeah, those dollar a year guys in World War 2 only had half a brain. This country prospered when we had real capitalists; it is screwed now by the “capitalist vampires” like Trump and Rmoney.

  • Ninja0980

    Tapper tried to bait Bernie into the basement dwellers crap right after this so CNN is still doing the horserace crap.

  • Jacob

    Manhattan b4 Giuliani: less white, more interesting.

  • DumbHairyApe

    So, let me get their thinking. If EVERYONE was a “successful” as Trump, our country would be bankrupt and have no money from taxes to work with for roads, infrastructure, the military, research, disease control, etc…

    Smart folks!!!

    • DaddyRay

      Republicans don’t support the military and vets – they want our soldiers on the battlefield without armor and weapons

      • John30013

        I agree they want our soldiers on the battlefield; I disagree that they don’t want them armed or supplied. In fact, they do–they love to funnel public money to private corporations to create war machines, and to supply those machines.

        Just like they love to funnel public money to private corporations to run prisons. They’d rather spend billions of dollars on prisons than on schools, communities, and infrastructure. As long as it lines the pockets of their corporate patrons, politicians will always pass the public buck to the private sector.

        • DaddyRay

          They just don’t want to pay taxes that fund that armor and weapons ergo they don’t support our military

        • ECarpenter

          Apparently you don’t remember the Republican congress’s refusal to properly armor and arm our military in Iraq.

          • DaddyRay

            Republicans think of our military as cannon fodder

          • John30013

            I should have been more clear: Republicans love to spend money on Defense. They often don’t spend it on the things the Defense Department actually wants or needs; rather, they spend it on what their Military Industrial Complex patrons tell them to spend it on (e.g., planes and ships the military doesn’t want, but which some military contractor has already invested in).

          • Chucktech

            …and initially equipped troops with jungle camo. In the fucking desert.

    • 2patricius2

      That’s about it. Although what Giuliani didn’t say is that the tax code that allows for behavior such as Trump’s is corrupt at its heart and skewed toward the greedy rich.

      • Chucktech

        Maybe so. In fact, probably so. But if that’s the case, don’t blame The Donald for taking legal advantage of it, if that’s what he did.

        • grada3784

          Oh, for the days of the dollar a year men.

  • MikeBx2

    Trump is going to be really out of control by the next debate. Assuming there is a next debate for him. Can’t wait to watch Pence squirm around Tuesday night.

  • Treant

    An interview with Nose-Feratu? Thanks, I’ll pass.

  • John30013

    Re the discussion at the end, Giulliani deflects the question about Trump’s assertion that Hillary has been unfaithful to Bill, and instead criticizes her for “protecting Bill” and attacking (Bill’s) “victims of sexual predation”. Yet where is his outrage when the entire Duggar clan closed ranks to protect sexual molester Josh?

  • Tempus Fuggit

    Privatize the profit, socialize the debt—it’s the “conservative” way!

  • Robert Conner

    Donna Hanover, Giuliani’s ex-wife, found out he was leaving her when he announced it at a press conference. He tried to move Judith Nathan, his mistress, into the governor’s mansion while Hanover was still living there. During Ghouliani’s stint as mayor, a unarmed black man, Amadou Diallo, was shot 19 times by four police for the crime of walking home. Another black immigrant, Abner Louima, was brutalized and sexually assaulted with a broom handle while “America’s mayor” ran the city.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b8cca579d77136428f88bf5341ccef9c41531b2010f987f592e609f30d6a4530.jpg

  • Tom000

    Statute of limitations has passed in my personal case, but reputations could still be ruined. That said, I used to work for someone very similar to Trump. My partner and I watch Trump explain how it’s “legal”, and I rattle off the ways we got around the law. Many times we ran right on the edge of the law, but many times we were on the wrong side of the edge.

    i.e. What you file on your PERSONAL tax return has NO affect on any partnership you may be in.

    What affects the partnership is how you set it up so you can claim such deductions and it usually involves screwing those partners, most of the time illegally. Remember the failing of Savings & Loans in the 80’s? How I rationalized my behavior is too stupid to even say, but when you might get fired, and no one would believe you anyway, you go with the flow.

  • HomerTh

    I pay my taxes

  • Michael McReavy

    I must admit that I see nothing wrong in Trump taking advantage of all the provisions for deductions in the tax code. Does the tax code need reforming? I’d say ‘yes’ but right now, it is what it is. Robert Reich wrote in his book, Saving Capitalism, about ‘the game’ being rigged but do the American people really care? So many seem so stupid. Or perhaps that’s unfair. Just ignorant as to the real situation the country is in.

    On the matter of Trump losing a billion dollars, it does take a certain ‘genius’ to fuck away that much money.

    • I see two problems with it.

      One is Trump is openly saying it’s fine if he’s a complete parasite on the honest American taxpayers. And the fucker actually had the nerve to bash Obama repeatedly on HIS tax burden for years.

      The other problem is Trump is then saying the rest of us are being suckers for paying taxes, while his tax cut proposal would eliminate even more of the non-income taxes to which he’s subject, including the Estate Tax, taxes on unearned income, and the taxes associated with repatriating profits earned overseas.

      You might want to take a look at this here showing a number of the times when Trump was a goddamned hypocrite on the subject of taxes and paying one’s fair share.

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/02/1576966/-Trump-bashed-Obama-half-of-US-for-not-paying-more-Christie-Giuliani-Genius-for-not-paying-tax

      • Michael McReavy

        I agree that Trump is a hypocrite on the issue. However, as long as he follows the law, he too is an honest American taxpayer. If a law is bad, you need to change the law.

  • dcurlee

    If he lost billions there shouldn’t be a tax law that bails him out

  • Marides48

    As having some Italian ancestry, I apologize that Guilliani may give the Impression that we are all that stupid.

    • Ore Carmi

      Don’t worry–it didn’t even cross my mind, for one.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Comparing Trump to Churchill or Jobs, sweet non-existent Jesus!!!

    Loving the mockery by Tapper. Does Guiliani not know what taxes pay for?…..I ask rhetorically.

  • Stubenville
  • Whoa, holy crap… So, we’re finding out that most of the current GOP’s Parade of Clowns haven’t been paying taxes.

    I’m no tax attorney or accountant, but I cannot imagine any situation in which one’s business partners would sue if an individual didn’t take undue advantage of personal income tax exemptions.

    I’ve been business partners with many folks over the users. Not once did they give a damn what I paid for my own taxes, only that which was applicable to the LLC or partnership we’d formed.

    • Xuuths

      Duh.

  • Who is going to sue Trump for his practises……his family?
    http://stories4hotbloodedlesbians.com

    Trump is goading Hillary with the accusations of “her infidelity.’ She won’t bite.
    Trump is now in the slimy waste of the sewer – where he’s been for a long time, but able to hide it with all his money.

  • Acronym Jim

    Here is the main problem with Giuliani’s argument that Trump doesn’t pay taxes because his fiduciary responsibility to investors could lead to lawsuits: those investors lost $35 a share when Trump Hotels and Casinos went belly up, while Trump was able to recoup almost a billion dollars in losses in the same deal by not paying taxes for 18 years.

    Those investors went on to sue Trump for being, in Giuliani’s words, a “business genius.”

  • rednekokie

    Why anyone would thing that Giulians’s opinion was worth any more than a grain of salt, I don’t know. He has been a liar and a fraud ever since he first ran for office.

  • James

    I think trying to argue that it’s bad to take advantage of tax laws to LEGALLY pay no tax is badis a losing argument. It’s despicable that he probably paid no taxes, but that’s not the most important issue in this scandal.

  • kareemachan

    And the voice of the Coccyzus americanus shrills out across the airwaves.

  • justmeeeee

    That’s hardly a roast. Jeezy peezy.

  • lattebud

    BTW – Anyone seen Kellyanne recently? Did his campaign manager go for a swim in the East River…. You know some are saying that. We should look into it.

    • RoFaWh

      Well, I did see one of Drumpf’s henchmen buying a pair of galoshes and another a bag of ready-mix concrete…

      • lattebud

        That was her make-up artist.

  • TimJ

    Not to be sexist, but am I the only one who thinks Giuliani seems like a nasty old lady?

  • andrew

    While Giuliani was deflecting Tapper’s remarks about Trump not paying taxes on his personal income, to discussing the way big corporation get away with paying low or no taxes, he unintentionally shined a light on the unfairness of the Federal Tax Code, which permits Corporation to avoid paying their fair share of taxes. That unfair convoluted tax code must be changed. We need Hillary and the Democratic Party, pushed to the left by Senator Sanders, to make the system fairer.

  • Bluto

    That was enough spin to make the planet wobbly.

  • Deacon Phreque

    It’s about goddamned time someone put Ghoul-iani’s feet to the fire in the national media. What an asshole Rudy is.

  • 1Truth1

    Un-fûcking-believable. These trump apologists look more and more pathetic every single day. What a spectacular display of idiocy.

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  • NMNative

    So the billionaire has paid fewer taxes in 20 years then I paid last quarter. Something is seriously wrong here.