Chicago Tribune Endorses Gary Johnson

Yesterday Gary Johnson was unable to name a single foreign leader that he admires. And today, this from the editorial board of the Chicago Tribune:

As Nov. 8 looms, a dismayed, disconsolate America waits and wonders: What is it about 2016? How has our country fallen so inescapably into political and policy gridlock? How did pandering to aggrieved niche groups and seducing blocs of angry voters replace working toward solutions as the coin of our governing class? How could the Democratic and Republican parties stagger so far from this nation’s political mainstream? And the most pressing question: What should tens of millions of voters who yearn for answers do with two major-party candidates they disdain? Polls show an unprecedented number of people saying they wish they had another choice.

With that demand for a principled president paramount, we turn to the candidate we can recommend. One party has two moderate Republicans — veteran governors who successfully led Democratic states — atop its ticket. Libertarians Gary Johnson of New Mexico and running mate William Weld of Massachusetts are agile, practical and, unlike the major-party candidates, experienced at managing governments. They offer an agenda that appeals not only to the Tribune’s principles but to those of the many Americans who say they are socially tolerant but fiscally responsible. “Most people are Libertarian,” Johnson told the Tribune Editorial Board when he and Weld met with us in July. “It’s just that they don’t know it.”

We reject the cliche that a citizen who chooses a principled third-party candidate is squandering his or her vote. Look at the number of fed-up Americans telling pollsters they clamor for alternatives to Trump and Clinton. What we’re recommending will appeal less to people who think tactically than to conscientious Americans so infuriated that they want to send a message about the failings of the major parties and their candidates. Put short: We offer this endorsement to encourage voters who want to feel comfortable with their choice. Who want to vote for someone they can admire.

  • Treant

    Where’s Chicago?

    • Cipher

      Oh, Illinois? Well, on Illinois…

  • skyweaver

    “We are so principled that we endorse a candidate who might draw enough votes from one able candidate to a train-wreck of a human.”

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

    Vote Gary Johnson: He Has A Penis!

  • Sam_Handwich

    How could the Democratic and Republican parties stagger so far from this nation’s political mainstream?

    thanks for that false equivalencypalooza, assholes!

    • skyweaver

      Gonna use equivalencypalooza all the time now

    • The fact is he’s right. The Democrats are beholden to Wall Street and are doing nothing on climate change. Sure they are a better option, but they are still a crappy one. I am not a fan of libertarianism so I will not vote Johnson but I totally get where the paper is coming from.

      • BobSF_94117

        Yeah, not doing anything… like signing treaties, etc., etc., etc.

        • It’s easy to say the Republicans are blocking everything but climate change should be talked about constantly and should be a number one priority. We just passed the carbon tipping point this month and Obama said nothing. Also, last I checked he and Hillary are pro-fracking. Just because they are the better choice does not mean they are perfect and we should not push them more.

          • Dramphooey

            You’re defending a newspaper endorsing a completely unfit and unqualified Libertarian while talking about how important climate change is.

          • I would disagree that he’s unqualified and unfit and I’m not defending anyone. I’m simply saying how I understand *why* they are endorsing him. I am not down with libertarianism personally. There is this idea out there, that is too pervasive, that if you are not 100% rah rah Clinton and question her and accept her as the only option then you are anti-Clinton and a Trump supporter or whatever else. This has to stop.

          • tomfromthenews

            We’re just looking at the practical effect of voting 3rd party. It ain’t pretty.

          • That’s fine – I understand that. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t hold Clinton’s feet to the fire and it doesn’t mean that the reality is she was the wrong candidate to run – anyone else would be crushing Trump, so the Dems have themselves to blame.

          • tomfromthenews

            Absolutely we should hold her feet to the fire. But, please, one potential catastrophe at a time!

          • Well I can understand that I guess, but we can’t ignore the problems she faces running and the bad choice the dems made.

          • Dramphooey

            I’m not so sure that’s true. I speculated last year as Trump swamped Republicans that if the GOP establishment didn’t know how to stop this how could we be so sure the Democrats would? A ten month old poll with Sanders beating Trump is meaningless now.

          • Denial.

          • Dramphooey

            Denial of what? Any person can say “see, I told you so.” One year ago people here were saying “oh boy, I hope it’s Trump! Any Democrat will crush him!” One month ago after the convention Clinton had a huge lead and it dripped away. Your idea that Sanders would be winning handily is mere speculation.

          • I never mentioned Sanders – you did. Literally everyone else did better than Clinton in the polls against him – didn’t have to be Sanders. She was always a risky bet.

          • Dramphooey

            Where are these polls? What poll asked about anyone else except for the two people running in the Democratic primary? Was there a poll about Martin O’Malley’s chances?

          • I am all for pressuring Clinton to follow through. We always have to do that with elected officials. She is in no way different in that regard. But before we can do that, we have to get her elected.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Anything that leads to defeats for the three right wing parties – Democrats, Libertarians and Republicans – is a step in the correct direction.

          • Dramphooey

            The idea that is out there is that there is a candidate who says horrible things and who is completely unfit and unqualified for office and that there is a very real and present danger he can be elected. I don’t know how anyone can gloss this over.

          • OK but the dems chose to run her when they knew all along it was risky. Every poll had her performing badly against him – so this is a gamble and has been from the beginning. So not sure why everyone is so surprised why he’s doing so well and why they are annoyed when literally she’s never polled great against him.

          • LookielouE1707

            “I would disagree that he’s unqualified and unfit”

            You would? Oh, please enlighten us, then. Or you could be real for a sec and acknowledge you’re only suggesting he’s qualified as a means of expressing your displeasure with Clinton.

            Oh, the irony: the Tribune disparages tactical voting but support for Johnson is entirely tactical – nobody actually believes in him, hardly anybody even knows anything about him – he’s just a placeholder for “not A or B”.

          • Tell me why he’s unfit? He’s been a governor before. Sure, we don’t agree with his policies, etc. but he’s not unfit and unqualified. Certainly he’s better than Trump.

          • LookielouE1707

            That’s it? So he’s as qualified as Sarah Palin and Rod Blagoyevich. Why bother if you’re not even going to try?

          • How is he like Sarah Palin? He saw his terms through. He’s had one big gaffe. I’m not a fan I just don’t see the connection there.

          • Dramphooey

            “He’s had one big gaffe:” his candidacy!

          • I mean Clinton’s had gaffes and Trump has had endless ones, but Johnson’s is somehow worse? NOt sure why.

          • LookielouE1707

            He’s a governor and Sarah Palin was a governor, and per your previous post being a governor qualifies one for presidential candidacy, so if one is qualified that way then the other is as well. Do I really need to talk you through the logic? If you’ve got some other argument for him than “he’s been a governor before” then why do I have to suss it out of you? Because you don’t really believe in him, and only care about this argument tangentially, tactically.

          • I think it’s unfair to compare him to Sarah Palin. HE completed his terms and he is not as dumb – he’s just not that stupid. I disagree with most of his stances but I just wouldn’t say unqualified.

          • LookielouE1707

            You think it’s unfair to compare him to Sarah Palin, even though it was your comment that implicitly introduced the comparison? By all means enlighten us! Explain how his nuttery is less egregious than Palin’s nuttery. Take note of the stuff others have posted on him in this very comment page, if you don’t want to dig further. Oh, wait, he’s qualified and she isn’t because he completed his term? That’s the deficiency that disqualifies her, not her nuttery? Again, why even bother to try if you’re not going to take this seriously? Grinding out a win by attrition’s such a big attraction for you?

          • How did I compare him to SP other than they were both governors? That’s your one example? Because there were about 20 presidents who were governors first – including Hillary’s husband.

          • Cipher

            I am no angelic tee-totaler but when a candidate has to pledge to refrain from smoking weed during a campaign, I start to look a little closer at these slip ups. He says a lot of nice things that contradict libertarian orthodoxy, but I fail to see the depth. When ‘I’ know what Aleppo is and can name several world leaders that I admire (while tipsy), I cannot take someone seriously who cannot.

          • GFU.

          • Dramphooey

            Aleppo and the world leaders: if your knowledge of foreign affairs is “here there be dragons” please stick to things like city council and the zoning board.

          • He slipped up on Aleppo. People are harping on it. If you listen to other interviews he’s well versed in ME politics.

          • jsmukg

            “Slipped up?” “well versed?” Is that why he failed to name even ONE world leader he admired–even when prompted by the interviewer with NAMES OF VARIOUS COUNTRIES?
            Palin all over. “Which magazines or periodicals do you read?”
            *dead air, stammering, deer in headlights look* “All of them.”

          • Acronym Jim

            Then he should run for governor of ME. I’m sure the locals would welcome a respite from the antics of Paul LePage.

          • Ernest Endevor

            Slipped up? He was ignorant of one of the world’s oldest and most vibrant centers of culture and trade? Is unaware of what’s been done to it?https://youtu.be/rIfscgdRhbk

          • Yeah the war that Clinton voted for and that both parties have continued. We keep bombing them – why do they hate us?

          • Ernest Endevor

            You cannot conflate Iraq with Lybia with Syria.

          • Clinton is hawkish – especially more so than Obama – there will be more of this if she’s in office. She’s old school foreign policy.

          • Ernest Endevor

            That’s why I voted for Obama. But give me an accomplished, experienced, knowledgeable woman over some hick any day.

          • unsavedheathen

            The situation in Syria and the existence of DASH is a direct result of our destruction of Iraq as a functioning state.

          • Ernest Endevor

            Of course but the situations are different. Of course the invasion of Iraq devastated the entire region. But still, what’s taking place in Syria is not what took place in Iraq. (My husband’s father was from Syria) Which is why I find it so appalling that someone who puts himself forth as a presidential candidate is so ignorant about Syria.

          • NMNative

            As someone who has not only met Governor Johnson, but, who lived through his two terms as Governor, I like him. He was nowhere near as bad as our current republican governor. I did not vote for him then and will not vote for him in this election either. He’s now a libertarian whose views on a number of things are way out of line with mine.
            Still, he’s not a bad guy, for a has been republican and is head, shoulders and a bad haircut above tRump.

          • cleos_mom

            “Nowhere near as bad as our current republican governor”?

            Now there’s an endorsement.

          • Ernest Endevor

            He’s an ignoramus. I would argue that he’s dumber than Perry.

          • That’s just mean.

        • GayOldLady

          Yeah, the Paris Agreement wouldn’t have been signed by a GOP POTUS or Gary Johnson. When asked about Climate change Gary Johnson’s solution was (paraphrasing) “we’re going to have to colonize other planets”. Like most everything else that comes out of Gary Johnson’s mouth that is total nonsense. He has no damn idea what the hell he’s talking about. The closest habitable planet is 4 light years from Earth and, if you take the time to see how many miles make up a light year, you quickly find out it is an impossible solution. Just like his solution for helping students with college tuition is for students to (paraphrasing) “boycott colleges for a year. That will bring the cost down.”

        • Bill_Perdue

          The tipping points leading to a climate catastrophe are all in the recent past.

          Speed of Arctic changes defies scientists – The Arctic climate is changing so quickly that science can barely keep track of what is happening and predict the global consequences, the UN says. LONDON, 29 September, 2016 – In an unusually stark warning a leading international scientific body says the Arctic climate is changing so fast that researchers are struggling to keep up. The changes happening there, it says, are affecting the weather worldwide. … “The changes in the Arctic are serving as a global indicator – like ‘a canary in the coal mine’ – and are happening at a much faster rate than we would have expected.”…

          Climate change is causing global average temperatures to rise: 2014, 2015 and the first eight months of 2016 have all been record-breakers. The Arctic is warming at least twice as fast as the global average, in places even faster: the Canadian town of Inuvik has warmed by almost 4°C since 1948, about four times more than the global figure. “Lack of data and forecasts in the Arctic does impact on the quality of weather forecasts in other parts of the world.” … It was only when regular satellite observations began in 1979 that measurement of surface climate over the Antarctic and the Southern Ocean became possible, says the study, published in the journal Nature Climate Change. …

          They confirmed that human-induced changes have caused the belt of prevailing westerly winds over the Southern Ocean to shift towards Antarctica. ….” – Climate News Network http://us6.campaign-archive1.com/?u=6e13c74c17ec527c4be72d64f&id=196b8196a7&e=2388bb59a8

          The Obama regime is contributing mightily to pollution.

          Fracking “After years of talking about it, we are finally poised to control our own energy future. We produce more oil at home than we have in 15 years. We have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas, and the amount of renewable energy we generate from sources like wind and solar – with tens of thousands of good, American jobs to show for it. We produce more natural gas than ever before – and nearly everyone’s energy bill is lower because of it.” Obama State of the Union 2013 http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/02/12/president-obama-gets-it-fracking-is-awesome/

          Offshore Drilling ” Not Just the Atlantic: Obama Leasing Millions of Gulf Acres for Offshore Drilling – Deploying the age-old “Friday news dump,” President Barack Obama’s Interior Department gave the green light on Friday, July 18 to companies to deploy seismic air guns to examine the scope of Atlantic Coast offshore oil-and-gas reserves. It is the first time in over 30 years that the oil and gas industry is permitted to do geophysical data collection along the Atlantic coast. Though decried by environmentalists, another offshore oil and gas announcement made the same week has flown under the radar: over 21 million acres of Gulf of Mexico offshore oil and gas reserves will be up for lease on August 20 in New Orleans, Louisiana at the Superdome.http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/07/23/not-just-atlantic-obama-leasing-millions-gulf-acres-offshore-drilling

          • Clive Johnson

            Our current system is one of denial about this looming catastrophe, and as such is a devastating indictment of its legitimacy.

          • Bill_Perdue

            The system produces catastrophe and the petro industry, fed by fracking, drilling and offshore drilling is in the drivers seat.

          • Clive Johnson

            True, and I hate it!

        • cleos_mom

          But you’re saying that like it’s a bad thing. If a President (Gary) Johnson signed a treaty, he might not even know what country he’s treaty-ing with.

      • Rambie

        Wasn’t there a court case against President Obama’s clean power plan just yesterday the Republicans —err— I mean the power industry was whining about?

      • Raising_Rlyeh

        Because Johnson and his fellow libertarians are totally going to address climate change. /s

        • Again, I’m not supporting his policies I’m just saying he’s not unfit. But apparently there are lots of straw men to build when you simply say someone is qualified.

          • Raising_Rlyeh

            I would argue that anyone that wants to become president just so they can gut vital programs, like federal funding for college, is unfit to be president.

          • I would argue that anyone who disagrees with you is not necessarily unfit to be president. Even though I am staunchly against his policies, that does not make him unfit, it just the polar opposite of my position. Not sure when the criteria for president was must agree with me.

    • BobSF_94117

      Plus the uber-polite alphabetical order conservatives always use when they’re saying something nasty “about both parties”.

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      Hold on, I thought Hillery was the establishment candidate, as mainstream as you can get? I’m so confused. Is it Margarita Monday yet?

      • Uncle Mark

        Nope, but it’s fermented fruit, Friday. I’m going with that stereotyped gay classic…Appletini !! (It’s forbidden fruit for the forbidden fruit)

      • She’s mainstream, politics-as-usual. She also staggered far from the mainstream, which is Clinton. So, they want Clinton?

    • Uncle Mark

      The Chicago Tribune has long been a rather conservative rag, especially when compared to their very left-leaning Chicago Sun Times competitor. The Tribune (nor any reputable paper) cannot bring themselves to endorse Trump, but surprisingly, instead of supporting the other established political institution, they have opted for the ‘pox on both your houses’ option. No matter, here. Illinois is firmly in Hillary’s camp. It only confirms why I happily dumped the Chicago Tribune in favor of the New York Times. I imagine their endorsement will only serve to hurt their future sales.

      • Dubito et cogitare

        I ditched the Trib as well, and subscribed to the NY TImes.

        • Chicago joe

          Didn’t Detroit paper endorse Gary J as well? As for me and my house, we dumped the tribune years ago….economist and NYT in print. Lotsa online. Also cut the cable cord ages ago.

      • Joe knows who I am.

        Is it that they endorse Johnson? Or are they actually working on behalf of Drumpf?

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    • Man, false equivalencypalooza ’91 was the best. Got so wrecked.

    • Gustav2

      Damn those centrist Democrats for not being in the mainstream!

    • Bill_Perdue

      Democrats and Republicans are dinosaurs. They’re dying but they’re not bright enough to have figured that out.

      Democrats and Republicans are the same.

      Americans’ Desire for Third Party Persists This Election Year

      The majority of Americans, 57%, say a third major U.S. political party is needed. This is similar to the last three years but a departure from the prior two presidential election years, 2008 and 2012, when Americans were evenly divided. http://www.gallup.com/poll/195920/americans-desire-third-party-persists-election-year.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3cc0d40fd2a355a3c48d70e9b6ed3d76f8af6a233e63bf43e45e6bd95e1af1e2.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4cec27d3d040ed7db58f5ffe2bb8b55f01b29ab3015c47dc42ed2a002cbf11e3.png ”WASHINGTON, D.C. — The campaigning over the past four months has done little to improve Americans’ confidence in the potential presidencies of either major-party candidate. Americans are about as likely to say Hillary Clinton (33%) and Donald Trump (25%) would be a “great” or “good” president as they were in May. More Americans still think each candidate would make a “poor” or “terrible” president than a “good” or “great” one.” http://www.gallup.com/poll/195794/few-high-hopes-clinton-trump-presidency.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

  • bkmn

    Who? Is he Beppo from Aleppo?

    • teeveedub

      In Gary Johnson’s defense, maybe he thought he was on Jeopardy.

      “What is Aleppo?”

      • Robincho

        I’ll take retards for $1000, Alex…

    • Dramphooey

      “Governor Johnson, what do you know about Aleppo?”

      “…………. I know it can’t change it spots……..?”

  • PickyPecker

    Canceling my subscription this morning.

    • Elagabalus

      I did that when my local paper endorsed George W. Bush for the second time in 2004 and I let them know exactly why. Be sure you mention why when you cancel. Money talks when money walks.

      • Cackalaquiano

        Ugh. I still can’t forgive anyone who voted Bush in 2004. 2000? Fine. Who knew how bad he’d be. But 2004 was inexcusable.

        • bzrd

          let us not forget who put the baby bush in office in 2000 ! and how the rove cheated in Ohio in 2004; his “wait a minute, wait a minute” in 2012, when Ohio went to Obama, is definitely the cat out of the bag story

        • Rambie

          Look at it this way, Bush 2004 gave us Obama 2008. W wasn’t able to squirm his way out of owning Iraq by dumping it on Kerry.

        • cleos_mom

          I feel the same about people who voted for Reagan twice.

        • Jerry

          2000? Though he pretended to be the “compassionate conservative”, he did warn us enough with his trickle-down economic platform, which would take the country back into deficit spending for decades. First part of 2000, he was “The economy’s so good, we need tax cuts.” Second half of year, “The economy’s so bad, we need tax cuts.”

    • delk

      alt/option–right click–open in private window

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Dramphooey

      Oh, he’s trying to spin it as some isolationist crap. You’re not fooling anyone, dear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hNIX7V21pU

      • Latebrosus

        Well, he’s trying to spin his ignorance into something of substance, but it’s still cotton candy.

    • Jerry

      Being Libertarian, maybe one of the warlords in the Libertarian paradise of Somalia.

      • jsmukg

        You mean thugs with guns.

  • shellback
  • Elagabalus

    Hey, I’m a stoner too, but I reserve my vaping sessions for after work. Gary Johnson it seems does his during normal business hours. There’s a time and a place for everything, especially if you want to become the leader of the free world. When you can’t come up with the name of a single world leader you admire it’s time to put the vape down during the day or else figure out something else to do.

  • kmcdevitt

    What a joke!!

  • DH Esq

    Both Johnson and Stein are totally unqualified for the Presidency. Voting for an unqualified candidate is not an effective protest.

  • ceeenbee

    I think they endorsed him after seeing this hard-hitting interview.

    https://youtu.be/tMR2B5GsaNY

    • BobSF_94117

      On some level, I think I’d enjoy an odd president. Not gonna vote for him, though.

      • The_Wretched

        He’s not just odd, there’s a vacuum between his ears. He does seem to be a genial guy though.

        • BobSF_94117

          Oh, I didn’t mean to suggest that what we see is just odd. It’s dumb as a post, too.

          I’d gladly vote for a smart and odd president.

  • bambinoitaliano

    So a protest endorsement that goes no where? The paper actually see no difference between the two main candidates and it’s ready to accept either outcome? One wonder why the press is dying.

    • Blake Jordan

      They are trying to attrack disaffected (quasi-delusional) millennials by jumping on the fictional “both candidates are equally flawed” train…

  • PeterC

    OT: Anyone know why Pat Robertson was NOT on his 700 Club Show today???
    There were substitutes. Can we celebrate?

  • Mike in Texas

    Seems like the Chicago Tribune has become the cliché …

  • j.martindale

    I do believe all these Rethug papers that refuse to endorse tRump will have the ultimate effect of depressing Rethug turnout…which is the best thing we can hope for in both Presidential and down-ballot contests.

  • Blackfork

    Chicago Tribune endorses a vacuous pothead who represents the empty ideology of libertarianism. Go read the libertarian platform. Cringeworthy.

    • TuuxKabin

      Just heard it over WNYC/NPR affiliate. I’d have to smoke a lot of pot too to go with those ideas, and prolly have a gun held to my head.

      • Blake Jordan

        I would just ask them to pull the trigger…

        • TuuxKabin

          Well, thanks. /s

          • Blake Jordan

            If I was under those conditions you suggested, then I would choose the billet to the brain…

            I was not suggesting I wanted the gun holder to shoot you.

          • TuuxKabin

            I realize that, hence the /s. You made me laugh!

    • joeyj1220

      The libertarians are such a strange lot… free market capitalists and “me first” Randian trolls who seem to just want to make money to smoke their pot

      • I consider Libertarians to be paranoid White Supremacists, who would put price controls on stuff that they want, like precious metals, porn and guns..

  • Christ on a crack binge. What the hell is wrong with those people.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    “Clinton’s vision of ever-expanding government is in such denial of our national debt crisis as to be fanciful,” they write. “Rather than run as a practical-minded Democrat as in 2008, this year she lurched left, pandering to match the Free Stuff agenda of then-rival Bernie Sanders.She has positioned herself so far to the left on spending that her presidency would extend the political schism that has divided America for some 24 years.” Also troubling, they write, is Clinton’s history of
    dishonesty, both about her emails and the 2012 Benghazi attack.

    Dishonesty about Benghazi? Really? Perhaps we need another investigation. Did the RNC write the editorial? Why not include that Hillary will eliminate the 2nd amendment and kills kittens for sport? The Trib was always a Republican paper, but this is shameful. What is also shameful is that Chicago has only one daily newspaper.

    They are endorsing a candidate who has publicly demonstrated no knowledge of foreign affairs. His interview with Samantha Bee, all by its self, it completely disqualifying.

  • BobSF_94117

    They offer an agenda that appeals not only to the Tribune’s principles
    but to those of the many Americans who say they are socially tolerant
    but fiscally responsible.

    Excuse me, but that’s Hillary Clinton.

  • Captain Obvious

    Failure to do the right thing is the same as doing the wrong thing.

  • Boy Elvis

    “How has our country fallen so inescapably into political and policy
    gridlock? How did pandering to aggrieved niche groups and seducing blocs
    of angry voters replace working toward solutions as the coin of our
    governing class?”

    Ronald motherfucking Reagan. Next question!

  • John Calendo

    Yes…Gary … Jill … Ralph. I must take the high road. Hillary is so…well, Clintonian. I’m sure it will all work out. I mean, Trump could just never… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b8c8437c9c65be804b999f14490e8b81744368d1a3cfea2ac25921e8256f8046.jpg

  • pj

    the chicago tribune is a joke in chicago too. second city will have a field day with this.

    • Robincho

      Second City = Number Two

      And we all know what “number two” means…

      • pj

        when you go low i go high

        • Robincho

          Then how the fuck are we ever even gonna meet up?…

          • pj

            you need to come up here

  • David Walker

    If I may be so gross as to remind the “Trib” of another of their smart decisions: It was they who, in 1948, printed the banner headline “DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN.” Just a little reminder.

  • Jeffrey

    One of the things that pisses me off the most these days is that people say HOW HAVE WE COME TO THIS WITH TWO TERRIBLE CANDIDATES when in fact, there is only one terrible candidate. But rather than concede that republicans have destroyed their own party we are all supposed to act like we are choosing the lesser of two evils. There is only one fucking evil and I don’t plan on seeing him become president because of a wishy washy media and big fucking baby progressives who would rather vote for know-nothing candidates so they can feel morally superior. Well moral superiority doesnt appoint supreme court justices. Im mad as hell about this.

  • Bill Post

    Chicago Tribune Endorses Gary Johnson… because vaginas are icky.

  • SFHarry

    What the Tribune fails to recognize is the value to timing a principled vote. Presently their are two viable candidates, one of which is going to win. The time to choose a different candidate is during the primary season. If for example you wanted Bernie or Jeb Bush you should have worked harder to get them to this position and continue to work right after this election for a win in four years but continuing to hold out for your candidate at this point is useless. I wanted Bernie and hopefully both he and I will work harder at the next election to get him in office. Maybe start earlier working for that goal. Now I will happily vote for Hillary, my second choice, and hope she beats the Orange thing.

  • Chuck in NYC

    I can’t decide whether the editorial board is high from snorting powdered Wrigley’s Juicy Fruit or they have Cubs Fever. Whatever, last night they went cuhraaazzzzy.

  • Rex

    I will happily consider a third party candidate.
    Once the Republican party is officially dead and buried.
    Until then I’ll vote Democratic to defeat the Republicans.

    • Vista-Cruiser

      You read my mind.

    • BobSF_94117

      America doesn’t have a third party, let alone two (one of which would be the fourth party, I guess). What we have are gadfly spoilers who poke out of the woodwork, encouraged and funded by folks with money who want to damage one major party or the other.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    Yes, I subscribe, as I think local journalism should be supported (as unfortunate as the Trip’s editorial positions are).

    I am on the phone now to finally cancel my subscription. They are experiencing heavy call volume and wait times may be significant. Gee, can ya’ guess why?

  • teeveedub

    It’s official. Print journalism is dead.

    • johncAtl

      Most sincerely dead.

  • Lazycrockett
    • I’ve had those moments and I don’t smoke. Or look that elegant.

  • Mark

    William J. Lepetomane for president…..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm1Jyusyoqk

    • Robincho

      Work work work work, WORK work WORK work work…

  • Rebecca Gardner

    OT but NYC is officially dead. I truly can’t go home again. Too much has changed. It’s become so sterile and boring and now this…

    Pastrami Bombshell: Carnegie Deli Is Closing For Good at the End of the Year
    http://ny.eater.com/2016/9/30/13120024/carnegie-deli-closing

    • Ross

      DAMN Obama!

    • Sam_Handwich

      the sandwich community is preparing a statement to be released around lunchtime.

    • Corsair Tact

      Ya know… Other places have opened since 1985.

      • jsmukg

        And other places, like Zabar’s, have always been better than Carnegie.

        • Corsair Tact

          My favorite is Junior’s. Hand’s down. I used to live down the street from the original in Brooklyn and was surprised to find that the one in Times Square is just the same.

    • TuuxKabin

      Maybe $30 sandwiches have something to do with it.

      http://carnegiedeli.com/menus/sandwiches-deli-classics/

      • Corsair Tact

        But they are gigantic! And tasty.

        • Rebecca Gardner

          They are!!! When I worked at DLJ a bunch of us would order a Woody Allen and a loaf of Rye Bread and make tons of sandwiches.

          • Corsair Tact

            I can’t remember the name of the one I like but it was pastrami heaven.

      • BobSF_94117

        Nah, it sounds like they’re still doing great business. She just wants out of the restaurant business and, since she owns the building, the real estate sale is probably WAY more than she’d get for selling the business.

        • BobSF_94117

          Greedy real estate owners are destroying the retail industry in America’s cities.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        Have you seen their $30 sandwiches? One can feed the entire Duggar family.

        • Corsair Tact

          I’ve eaten many of them.

        • TuuxKabin

          Yeah, seen ’em. The duggar family can feed, fend for itself.

    • tcinsf

      You still have Katz’s….

      • Rebecca Gardner

        So true. I was at Katz’s Deli last October. Well, actually, that week I was at Katz, Russ & Daughters, and Yonah Schimmel. I was in heaven.

        • tcinsf

          Not sure how you managed to move after a week of eating like that … but I can understand the joy. Wise and Sons is real good, but not quite the same.

  • Rex

    Give ’em the old Razzle Dazzle, Razzle Dazzle ’em….

  • Ross

    A friend of mine is a Libertarian.

    He DEEPLY believes that government should not have the right to tell him what to do with his private property.

    One day I commented: “OK. I get it. I mean, who doesn’t think government should fuck off regarding their own house and property?”

    He: “That’s right!”

    Me: “But, you know your house, which you have beautifully restored these past ten years?”

    He: “I love my house.”

    Me: “In a Libertarian reality, your neighbor, and HIS beautifully restored house, could be replaced by a pig farm because there would be no zoning laws preventing people from doing whatever the hell they wanted with their own private property.”

    He: “What???? That would be horrible! That would totally destroy the value of my house! All my work would have been wasted!”

    To me, this pretty much sums up my main issue with the Libertarian platform. Its adherents want the right to do what THEY want, but they really really really don’t actually want OTHER people to have the same rights.

    The selfish party.

    • johncAtl

      Selfish is the perfect word to describe them.

    • joeyj1220

      its a pretty scary moral philosophy… “fuck you, I have mine”

    • m_lp_ql_m

      Actually, their followup (so I’ve been told) would be that they have the right to sue the pig farm for the loss in value of their property. Which still doesn’t get rid of the pig farm.

      • LookielouE1707

        So their theory is that if they sell their property for less than they thought they could sell it for, or if they think they’re going to sell their property for less than they thought they’d sell it for, they have the right to use government coercion, via the court system, to extract money from their neighbors? That is so far from libertarianism as to be completely unrecognizable, and would have the lifespan of a mayfly in practice, because libertarianism isn’t just anti-regulation, it is also pro-tort reform.

        • MichaelJ

          In other words they are all in favor of big government supporting private property rights. They have no concept of the public good.

    • BobSF_94117

      Libertarians are just Republicans with onerous alimony judgments against them.

      • cleos_mom

        And some of them own bongs.

        That’s about it.

      • Cipher

        (Who overtly support the repeal of the Civil Rights Act)

    • ZRAinSWVA

      And those damned codes: building, fire, electrical, plumbing; telling ME how I should build my house. I tell the contractor how it should be built because I know best.

      Uhm. Not so much. Oversight is needed, otherwise you get crap that burns or falls down. And you would. And you need the authorities to be able to TELL you you must comply.

      I am SO over libertarians.

  • jimbo65

    The former Bernie supporters need to educate themselves about Johnson. He’s a typical Libertarian, all for privatizing Social security, peel back regulations, among other things. He’s antithetical to Bernie. I wish Bernie would explicitly address his supporters and lay out the case why they shouldn’t vote for Johnson. He’s definitely not for free education. Which seems to be a rally point for some millenials. Oh but he’s for legalizing pot so that makes him ok

    • bambinoitaliano

      I think it’s the tribalistic mentality that stems from the sport culture. One has to belong or a die hard supporter of a team. Same thing with fans of celebrities. You have the team Gaga versus team Madonna and so on. It makes people lazy. Voting for Hillary does not mean one is a Democrat nor does it mean one agree with all her policies or one give up scrutinizing of her past error judgment. It does not have to be all or nothing attitude. This election is not even a choice. You only got one qualify candidate. That sucks but it’s not all Democrat’s doing. Citizens are held accountable for such predicament. Democracy is not just showing up every four years. The voters getting indifferent to the community they live in resulted the ripple effect that offer incompetent politicians and con men to take advantage of our political system.

  • Dramphooey

    “Most people are libertarian” … until they figure out what it actually means.

    • The_Wretched

      I’d be libertarian but all of their solutions for every issue are total fail and make things worse.

    • Rex

      I’m not libertarian. I don’t dress in flashy costumes, play the piano, or live in the closet. Kinda surprised a dead entertainer has his own political party.

      • Corsair Tact

        I think you mean “Liberacherian.”

    • cleos_mom

      For me, all it took was a look at the masthead of their newsletter — 25 years ago.

  • Such bullshit. Clinton is NOT a bad candidate. In fact, she is an excellent candidate. Johnson is a loon, he’s uninformed, and he has zero chance of winning. Protest votes are votes for Trump, so the Chicago Tribune is endorsing Trump but doesn’t have the balls to say it. Reminds me of the Globe and Mail in Toronto endorsing the Conservative Party but not Harper in the last election. Just endorse the fucker and forget the semantics and nonsense.

    • bambinoitaliano

      Voters who are too lazy to do their own research. They prefer knowledge to be package like an electronic device, plug and play. The media already manufactured Hillary image before she enter the race. And they just buy it.

    • Friday

      Frankly, it seems this paper’s endorsement is directed to Republicans, so it may even be helpful here. There sure isn’t any merit to the argument for anyone else.

  • TuuxKabin
  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    Cancel of my subscription completed, took 9-1/2 minutes. They did ask “why are you cancelling”. I know I will be one of thousands, so glad they solicit the feedback.

  • Corsair Tact

    “Who want to vote for someone they can admire.” That is faulty logic and faulty grammar! Go back Tribune and try again.

    • Friday

      That’s a faulty choice of who to admire: the guy who’s run for President twice without apparently bothering to *pick up* a newspaper or even read the websites, plus… *Bill Weld?* He’s the guy that fucked up Massachusetts, particularly in the University system and manufacturing economy, (He was all for the ‘service economy’ model of somehow there’s unlimited burgers to flip, if we cut the rug out from under college students, just cause once again the state Dems of the time put up a for-the-time-rabid social conservative anti-choicer and forced all the liberals to cross the ticket. “Libertarian.” Nope, just a corporatist. Like the paper said, they’re both Republicans.

  • JT

    The Tribune goes off the rails after years of Rethug pandering.

  • JellyDonut

    HUH?

  • Robincho

    Anyone remember the jubilant Harry Truman holding “DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN” headline? Note masthead. Tribune still rockin’ it, 64 years later. And we still neither need them or feed them…

  • TimJ

    Hahahaha. (I was going to write something else but that will suffice).

  • Dubito et cogitare

    Gary Johnson is an affable idiot.

  • penpal

    This is ridiculous. Hillary Clinton is unbelievably qualified for the job. The media has failed the American public, once again. They are directly responsible for the rise of Trump.

  • TK
  • BobSF_94117

    For those cancelling their subscriptions, consider that the staff IS NOT responsible for the editorials.

    A sane example from the Trib:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-hillary-clinton-good-president-zorn-perspec-20160930-column.html

  • NancyP

    rolls eyes…
    If the Cincinnati Enquirer can bring itself to endorse HRC, so can other Republican papers. Better centrist and competent than risk economic implosion and possibly nuclear war.
    I admit that the first name that came to mind, Angela Merkel, would be poison to most conservatives, but she has had the ‘nads to help the refugees. Of course there’s always Trudeau! But I have to say that it is harder to think of current leaders I admire than current leaders I think are bad.

    • How has that worked out for German citizens or refugees? Have you read much about it?

  • TK
  • EweTaw

    I’m a conscientious American who wants to send a message. That’s why I’m voting for Hillary. If the Chicago Tribune has a problem with that may their daily subscriptions continue to shrink.

  • TK
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  • another_steve

    “Most people are Libertarian,” Johnson told the Tribune Editorial Board when he and Weld met with us in July. “It’s just that they don’t know it.”

    “Libertarian” is one of the most ambiguous, amorphous political terms that exists. There are scores of different types of Libertarians. It can mean whatever one wants it to mean. People like Johnson who want to restrict personal freedoms are not what I consider “Libertarian.”

    Any gay person who applauded the Supreme Court’s striking down of state sodomy laws is applauding a Libertarian principle: minimal involvement of government in the private affairs of people. When you celebrated the New York court’s striking down of the NYC Mayor’s ban on the selling of large sugary sodas, you’re celebrating the same Libertarian principle.

    No Nanny Government.

    Limited government involvement in the private lives of the citizenry and their economic lives and institutions.

    • Yes, I suspect most here are libertarian on social issues. But do you want to get rid of banking regulations to protect customers or do you feel, as many libertarians have told me, that without regulations banks would do the right thing and if not they’d go out of business because the market would fix things. (Never mind that if they were all doing the same crooked practices, consumers would have no options.)

      It’s a childish philosophy. It might work on the small scale but as state or national policy it’s ridiculous.

      • another_steve

        I’m all for anti-monopoly intervention in certain sectors. Banking. Power suppliers. Sectors where monopolies otherwise prevent competition and where consumers are unable to compete on their own.

        I can’t operate my own bank. I can’t supply my own electricity.

        I’m not in favor of municipalities passing “No Walmarts” rules and regulations, however. Provided the “Moms and Pops” aren’t forbidden to operate and compete in the same neighborhood, I want the free marketplace to adjudicate where people shop and how they spend their money.

  • Paula

    WTF?

    • Phil

      Remember: this is the same newspaper that printed the headline “Dewey defeats Truman.” In my 56 years, they’ve never endorsed a Democrat and it’s possible they never have in their history. I do know that Lincoln came to their offices in 1860 and made a helluva good impression, but this is ridiculous!

  • swimboy

    The Detroit News did the same thing yesterday. Bragged about how they’d endorsed the republican nominee for the last 143 years, but couldn’t bring themselves to do it this year. And then went and endorsed this clown, instead of HRC or nobody.

  • jsmukg

    Most people are ‘libertarians’ and just don’t know it, hmmm?
    Most people, including the Chicago Tribune editorial board, don’t know or care what Aleppo is–or any of those other furrin parts that are always screwin’ up amurrikkka.
    For a ‘major newspaper,’ this is mortifying.

    • GayOldLady

      Most people are not Libertarians if they take the time to find out what Libertarian policy is about. Gary Johnson is a total whack job. His solution to the cost of college is for all of the college students in America to boycott their respective colleges for a year to bring down the cost. He’s wants to do away with the FDA the EPA and that’s just the short list. He wants a 20% budget cut spread equally across all programs. You wouldn’t even do that in your personal budget, so why the Federal Budget? If I cut costs in my budget I cut the things that I need the least. Not a 20% cut across the board. I don’t cut food or medicine. I cut travel, clothing or unnecessary like cable, internet, etc. The man is fucking quack!!

      • jsmukg

        Exactly….and an abysmally ignorant quack at that. Johnson couldn’t even think of BIBI when asked for a foreign leader he admires, could he?

        • bzrd

          or our handsome, wonderful, brilliant next door neighbor, Justin

  • DanimalChgo

    This is why the Tribune is so broke they’re selling their namesake building. Sad!

    • Snarky

      They don’t own their building. Tribune Co. spun off its newspapers, keeping its TV stations and real estate and saddling the papers with their debt. The newspapers have been paying rent in the buildings they used to own, and now the real estate is being sold.

      Endorsing Johnson is still a dick move. Especially in Clinton’s home state.

  • Lakeview Bob

    Nobody cares what the Trib has to say. Least of all the people who live in Chicago.

  • Lakeview Bob

    The Tribune is highly influenced by their head (lead?) columnist John Kass. John Kass is about the biggest ass I’ve ever seen write for a paper. He is just nasty and petty. I am sure he is for Trump. So the Tribune endorsement is puzzling.

    • delk

      He’s a massive asshole.

  • SoCalGal20

    That’s the most ridiculous endorsement I’ve seen yet. “Hey, America, cut off your nose to spite your face!”

  • DaddyRay

    So glad I canceled my subscription years ago when the endorsed Rouner

    • Dramphooey

      Quick, take out another subscription and cancel it again!

  • Guest

    Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME!?

  • Frostbite

    Well that’s a vote wasted. Thanks CT!

    • Yeah but Illinois right now is as much a blue state as New York or Massachusetts is. It is solidly Democratic in Presidential elections. So its not like the CT is important.

  • I don’t admire Johnson. He’s a pothead who could name even one foreign leader. He’s not even remotely qualified to be president. And that’s aside from the nutty platform that shouldn’t appeal to any adult.

  • stuckinthewoods

    The Richmond Times Dispatch did the same thing earlier this month. About Trump they said, “there is no evidence of an intellect” but said “Clinton’s ethical lapses are disabling. Johnson enjoys a decisive edge.” On what planet?

  • DoctorDJ

    WTF is wrong with the Tribune?

    • They are a bastion of traditional Republicanism. In other words, they are telling people its OK to vote for Clinton but they can’t come out and say it. Like Jeb Bush.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    Most people are Libertarian,” Johnson told the Tribune Editorial Board when he and Weld met with us in July. “It’s just that they don’t know it.”

    Bull-fucking-shit. You basically want to destroy everything required to run a modern country.

    • Bruno

      Being fiscally conservative and socially liberal is not the same thing as being capital-L Libertarian.

    • Friday

      When it comes down to it, most people want to keep their personal responsibilities and decisions personal, and their social responsibilities social. The Liberpublicans both want the opposite. Libertarians just have claimed ideals that say “Everyone should be free to gang up on whoever they want and corporations should be free to gang up on whoever they want: This will result in paradise somehow.”

      (And of course they keep putting up candidates like Bob Barr who actually wanted to *outlaw* Pagan religion. But still keep the complete deregulation of greed, I guess.)

  • Bill_Perdue

    Make no mistake about it, the libertarian view of a perfect society is best encapsulated in the film “Triumph of the Will.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl2iIHRE1ng

    Theirs is a dog eat dog nightmare without law and regulation, where life for anyone but the rich and powerful would be complete victimization, where nations would prey on each other and genocide would be common. Ultimately, there is little political distance between the Libertarianism of Anus Rand and the fascism of Mussolini and Hitler.

    Libertarianism used to the be the third leg of US politics, dredging up rightwingers dissatisfied with the Democrats and Republicans but they’ve been eclipsed by the Tea Party. Libertarians, Democrats, Republicans are all linked by their united and unflinching support, in the real world, and nothing else counts, for endemic economic chaos, low wages and unions busting.

    • I will completely agree with you Bill. Libertarianism is all about glorification of the individual at the expense of society — it is the essence of fascism, and anti civilized values. Pure Libertarianism leads to euthanizing handicapped people since helping them may lead to taxation.

  • Ross
  • Clive Johnson

    What could be a better example of the philosophical and intellectual shallowness of our public discourse such that someone like Johnson could be taken seriously at all?

  • mizzourah

    Desperate cry for attention by the Tribune.

  • Just now on MSNBC, they just said that Trump was twittering “in the middle of the night” some incoherent stuff about Alicia Machado, calling her “disgusting” and talking about her weight. He simply cannot get off the subject. Her apologist is saying that Trump simply has “lots of energy”. What explains this folks? What’s your guess? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4231504f05b65525c3093de559051cd5d7c8f627a311b929af49fdd5b0b8e66c.jpg

  • Tom Ato

    The guy knows nothing and is totally unprepared for the job. Every interview, Bill Weld props him up and tries to feed him answers.

    No way, no how!

  • Tom Ato

    What is….Chicago?

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    The Chicago Tribune…..hmmmmm…..oh right, the paper they put in birdcages.

  • Clive Johnson

    The best resource I’ve come across on the net for arguments against libertarianism:
    http://critiquesoflibertarianism.blogspot.com/

    A supposedly updated version of the above site:
    http://critiques.us/index.php?title=Critiques_Of_Libertarianism

  • pkb10r

    This is a tactic by the oh-so-republican Tribune to draw away Democratic voters, in the hopes that it will affect down-ballot voting in favor of GOP candidates in Illinois, especially Mark Kirk.

    • Circ09

      Bingo!

  • Ernest Endevor

    Preposterous. Also, access to its f’book page is blocked. And I’ll just leave this here to remind us that this block head hadn’t heard of Aleppo. A city that was once famously beautiful:https://youtu.be/rIfscgdRhbk

  • Richard

    Johnson didn’t know where Aleppo was, or what was going on there and just the other day he couldn’t name one foreign leader…… not too bright, I’m thinking. But what the hell is the Tribune thinking? Democrats voting for Johnson are actually voting for Trump. For true Democrats, voting for Johnson is a stupid move, just that
    simple. Republicans voting for Johnson are voting for one dummy (Johnson)
    over the other dummy (Trump). Hillary wasn’t going to get those
    Republican votes anyway.

  • Will Parkinson

    The problem here is that these other candidates are trying to start a movement at the top. Why not try getting people elected locally, then statewide, then nationally? You have an agenda you want passed, you need the help of both sides of the aisle to do so.

    The Tribune saying that a viable third party candidate is what’s needed is wrong. The Libertarian and Green parties need roots to grow, and right now all they have are a few twigs.

  • Cylux

    “who chooses a principled third-party candidate”
    Johnson? Principled?
    For the leader of the Libertarian Party his stances on a number of issues are far from Libertarian, indeed they appear to be unprincipled compromises to beg for Sanders voters.

  • TheManicMechanic

    The Chicago Herpy Derp Derp Tribune Endorses Gary Johnson.

    FTFY

  • seant426

    Sorry, what did they write? I was busy wiping my äśš with this rag.

  • Rick Hammond

    So they endorse TPP? They endorse fracking? They endorse the Cock Brothers? They endorse no minimum wage? Tribune needs an enema!!!

    • Ore Carmi

      If I’m not mistaken, the tribune is conservative.

  • Matt

    What a joke. Johnson doesn’t understand the first thing about what happens outside the U.S., thereby making him unsuitable to hold the highest office. As a libertarian, he also advocates for dropping government regulations. So say goodbye to clean air and drinking water (Flint, anyone?), worker’s rights, and say hello to more corporations gobbling up competition and skyrocketing prices as profit becomes even MORE of a motivation to exist than ever, leaving the rest of us in the dust. Libertarians are just conservatives with same bad ideas, but without most of the social hang-ups that regular conservatives have. That’s not something to be proud of.

  • Gianni

    Is the Chicago Tribune trying to spite somebody?

  • Gerry Fisher

    They managed to zero in on a few branches of one tree and ignore the forest as a forest fire rages. Good job, Tribune! [cough, cough]

  • JCF

    “Waste your vote on a bong-headed know-nothing!”

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