Dems Celebrate 5th Anniversary Of DADT Repeal

Via press release from the Democratic National Committee:

“In the five years since Congress repealed the discriminatory Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, we’ve made great strides in expanding and protecting the rights of the LGBT community in the United States, but we still have further to go. More than 13,000 service members were discharged under DADT, denying those men and women the opportunity to serve our nation, and diminishing the strength of our armed forces in the process. By repealing the policy, we no longer treat members of the LGBT community as second-class citizens in our armed forces, and we are a stronger nation for it – both militarily and morally.

“Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine want to build on that progress. They believe in standing up for the LGBT community, ending discrimination, and fighting for our full rights. Donald Trump and his running mate, Mike Pence, would only drag us backwards on LGBT rights. They both support North Carolina’s discriminatory HB2 ‘bathroom bill,’ and as governor, Pence signed a so-called ‘religious freedom’ bill into law, which threatened to allow businesses to discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation and gender identity. We need to elect a president and vice president who will treat members of the LGBT community as full citizens, and who will fight to protect the civil rights of all Americans.”

  • Gustav2

    SCOTUS.

    Vote!

    • tristram

      Amen! And POTUS – that man did a masterful job of getting this done. I think repeal of DADT was the key that opened all the doors afterwards, including to door to marriage equality (which, by the way, is still a bit ajar pending the results of the upcoming election which could give us a very different, hostile POTUS/SCOTUS that might work together to undermine much of our recent progress.)

      • jayjonson

        Yes, the repeal of DADT opened all the other doors afterward. But President Obama did not do a masterful job of getting it done. In fact, it almost got done despite him. But once it was done, and he received such gratitude for having done it, he became the great president we were hoping for. He was a much more decisive and effect president after he no longer had large majorities in both houses of Congress.

        • Friday

          People got justifiably impatient but you can’t fault the strategy.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Always justifying Democrat/Republican backwardness.

          • Friday

            Or, there’s a difference between picking your time, and pushing for ‘backwards’ like you and the Right always do.

          • Bill_Perdue

            You Democrats imposed DADT and DOMA on the LGBTQ communities. You refuse to acknowledge that or apologize for it You and your Tea Party brothers and sisters are the right wing.

          • Friday

            Or, I was alive in those times and was neither a ‘Democrat’ nor ignorant of what was really going on? (Actually I was homeless at the time you bourgeoise poser of a Commie. )

          • Bill_Perdue

            You Democrats imposed DADT and DOMA on the LGBTQ communities.

            You refuse to acknowledge that or apologize for it.

            You and your Tea Party brothers and sisters are the right wing.

          • Friday

            You’re the one trying to support Herr Drumph and Putin. No matter who it hurts or how much of an ass you want to make of yourself in front of LGBT people who bloody well know better.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Trump = Clinton.

          • JT

            Perdue = Stalin.

          • greenmanTN

            So who do YOU support?

          • Bill_Perdue

            You’re too stupid to read.

          • greenmanTN

            And you’re too odious to read. I skip right past your posts because it’s the usual bullshit. I haven’t blocked anyone yet but you’re #1 on my list when I get around to it.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Decent people are not offended when Dixiecrat slime block us.

          • greenmanTN

            Decent people don’t post complete horseshit and think they’re being either wise or erudite.

          • JT

            The technical term is Stalinist asswipe.

          • Friday

            He doesn’t even have the bottle for *that.* Just wants bad things to happen to others in hopes somehow his ego is vindicated by the mess.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Psychobabble is all you have to offer. Don’t blame me if you’re stupid.

          • Friday

            That’s…probably not a contingency to worry about. 🙂

          • Bill_Perdue

            Now you’re pretending that you’re not stupid? Get a grip.

          • JT

            We blame you for being stupid.

          • Bill_Perdue

            I’m an anti-Stalinist, you’re a racist pig who supports the Clintons racism.

          • JT

            Stalinist asswipe.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Quisling piglet.

          • JT

            Poor Puddinhead. If he only had a brain.

          • greenmanTN

            So who DO you support? Hmmm.

          • greenmanTN

            So who DO you support?

          • jayjonson

            The strategy would have completely backfired had Pelosi and Levin not warned the President that they were going to proceed with repeal in 2010 because after 2010, it would have been impossible with the Republicans controlling the House of Representatives.

        • tristram

          There’s some truth in that, but it’s 90% self-serving nonsense.

          The study was a stroke of brilliance which made it possible to give the military a claim to ownership of the policy and get significant Republican support for the bill. The pre-passage buy-in from the military – brass and ranks – and from those Republicans converted the whole thing from another Lib/Dem shovedown to a bipartisan endorsement of a popular change. It not only assured passage, it greatly facilitated implementation of the policy.

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  • Todd

    My friend spoke at the military DC Pride event ……. and he was proud to be there with his husband. Positive changes.

    • PickyPecker

      Things have changed SO quickly for us. Just never thought I’d live long enough to see such things. I’d sure like to see MORE progress!!

      • BearEyes

        all the more reason to vote Hillary and keep moving forward.
        And we still need to remain vigilant against so call religious freedumb laws and their various flavours.

      • DonnaLee

        And it still brings tears to my eyes how quickly the states went blue! And to think we’ll have to explain to younger people why we never thought we’d see it so quickly. And why we reference blue!

  • bkmn

    The country is so screwed if Trump wins.

    • Todd20036

      And not in the good way

  • Rex

    Dear DNC:
    Thanks for reminding the Republicans to hate the LGBT community as much as they do Hillary. After 5 years of DADT repeal and a year after marriage equality they forgot since the sky did not fall.

    • Todd20036

      They never forgot. If President Trump opens up camps for Muslims, you can be sure they’ll haul LBGT into them right behind the Muslims.

      • Ninja0980

        Yup, all the while telling us that we aren’t being thrown off rooftops so we need to shut up.

    • Friday

      I’m not seeing the logic there, Rex.

  • PickyPecker
    • Robincho

      Nice trajectory! Hope it lands in the drumpfster…

      • On the

        • Robincho

          Or that. Yes…

  • AtticusP

    Hug a Democrat today!

    And many thanks, President Barack H. Obama!

    You will be a hard act for Hillary to follow…

    • Todd20036

      I hope she gets the chance.

      • AtticusP

        The alternative is unthinkable. This is still America, after all.

        I refuse to believe that Trump will win.

        We are better than that, and we deserve better than him.

        • Ben in Oakland

          no we don’t.
          no we don’t.

  • Todd20036

    5 years, and people are still joining the military, no country suddenly sees us as weakening, gay sex isn’t mandatory, there has been no mass exodus and gays aren’t parading around in showers looking at everyone’s crotches.

    Guess all the haters can breathe a sigh of relief.

    • PickyPecker

      Unfortunately, there will always be a segment of the haters that will continue to try to take away our rights and shove us back into the closet. We can NEVER let our guard down.

      • Todd20036

        We will always be alien to them. But only because we don’t pretend sex is only for making babies.

        We have sex for fun, unashamedly, unabashedly.

        Straight people do too, but haters hate sex used for pleasure. They despise the idea.

        They can pretend that straight sex is always potentially for babies, but not gay sex. Most gays and straights just don’t care, but the haters do.

        And they envy us for being able to let go and be primal because we are basically hairless apes.

        And fuck their stupid justifications for being miserable.

        I won’t worship any deity who demands misery.

        • Ninja0980

          They do indeed hate that and they hate it even more for women.

        • Friday

          Actually, I totally don’t believe LGBT people will ‘always be alien.’ …Actually, as much as some think ‘projecting into our shoes’ means they ‘get it,’ …the haters just wouldn’t have to keep redoubling their efforts at defamation and ignocation if some ‘alienness’ on our part were somehow inevitable. That’s why their hate-agenda falls apart when people actually know us, and why ‘stuffing us back in the closet’ is absolutely what they see as the first stage in a ‘glorious counterattack’ in a ‘war’ on us they’ve already actually lost.

          (And, actually, I just don’t see my own sex life as ‘for fun’ *or* about ‘Some submission to rules.’ That’s just not a dichotomy that’s operative for me. )

      • jsmukg

        From your lips, PP. Not for decades to come, sadly.
        We will try not even to think of a Hair Furor ascendancy…

    • greenmanTN

      Oh all that is still happening, but as before, only in their imagination.

  • Steven B

    Not only were they denied the opportunity to serve, they are also denied the many federal advantages available to honorably discharged veterans.

    • Bj Lincoln

      My best friend met and is 3 years in a relationship with a woman who was discharged for being a lesbian. This women is still very much in the closet. She is angry about being discharge but has not acted on changing her record or trying for the benefits due her as she was in for quite a while. Funny thing is my friend is out and proud butch with a very outgoing personality while her partner is the extreme opposite. I once was in a long term relationship with a real closeted woman. It was back in the day so I couldn’t blame her but she has never come out and still takes no interest in anything LGBT.

      • Steven B

        I’m not sure how old you are but I turned 64 last week so I grew up in the 50s and 60s where being gay was simply not a choice. I desperately wanted a family with kids and that wasn’t a possibility in my eyes so I pretended to myself that I was “normal.” I got married and had 4 kids. Got divorced after 18 years and only then, after I fell in love with a man who I am now married to, did I finally admit to MYSELF that I am gay and came out of the closet to myself. So I understand what it’s like to deny yourself because of social pressure and upbringing.

  • Hank
    • Treant

      Thonk You?

      🙂

      • Rex

        Better than Fonk You.

        • Treant

          In your case, baby, it might not be. 🙂

          • Rex

            I appreciate a Thonk you after a good fonk.

      • BobSF_94117

        I’m a bit pressed for time, but sure!

  • Rex

    Our fight is far from over.
    The RNC adopted the most anti-LBGT platform ever.
    You know that means they intend to reverse any progress we’ve made.
    Vote Blue!

    • Friday

      They also were about to tank and could have chosen to do other than double down. They chose poorly.

  • Mike__in_Houston

    My god. Has it been five years already? If somebody had asked me, I would have guessed three. No, Joe’s got to be lying. If it had really been five years, the whole country whould have fallen into a black hole and gone straight to hell long ago. The RWNJs even said so, or something.

    • StraightGrandmother

      Lt Dan Choi. He was brave. He did a LOT to raise public awareness. I understand he had some mental health issues afterwards, after DADT was lifted, but we should not ignore what he did.

  • Barry William Teske

    The USA, as a nation could avoid that whole life destroying ” fighting ” thing by upholding the equality components of its cherished constitution. It would be hard working tax payer money well spent. Actually it would be more like reinvesting the money in the interest of all the public good and not just private interests as King Priebus stated earlier this week.
    I got my work cut out for me here in Canada, trying to get that understanding and message passed along to our various “party” leaders.
    The inner woman in me has been scorned. There’s going to be hell to pay if our “leaders” don’t pull their collective heads out of their butts.

    • another_steve

      You’re not comparing your relatively sane political system to the absolute freak show we got goin’ here in the States, are you? Please.

      In contemporary history has Canada ever had a bonafide Nazi the likes of Donald Trump in real striking distance of being leader of the nation?

      • Barry William Teske

        Well, let’s see, sane, being a relative term….
        Yes.
        Just last year one of our army bases had an open invitation to a ‘nationalist’ cause on a community board that allegedly was there in open view for months.
        Canadians have still have not heard back from authorities on that.
        What’s up with that?

  • Hank
    • Friday

      These *are* my own civil rights, actually. Just cause it mostly targets people of color doesn’t mean I actually go to a different voting booth than they, or have particularly less vulnerability to bureaucratic hoops.

  • jayjonson

    None of the parade of horrors predicted by McCain has occurred. More on DADT repeal: http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/claude_summers/the_long_role_to_repeal_don_t_ask_don_t_tell

  • itsjoe618

    This day has some meaning for me. I viewed the “Are You Surprised” guy’s Youtube video in the air force when he came out to his father and then his mother in separate phone conversations from his base in Germany, soon after the repeal went into effect. It was after viewing that video I decided it was time to come out. I was already psychologically to that point, but his coming out video was a tipping point for me. He’s now married to his spouse, although not in the military anymore. When one thinks of the cesspool of hate (HB2, other anti-LGBT laws, lack of protections, etc.) we are besieged by, its nice to reflect on days like today. The haters were wrong, as usual, and DADT is still where it belongs, in the dustbin of history.

  • SoCalGal20

    Yay!!!

  • another_steve

    Not all Democrats were heroes in this saga. As chairman of the Armed Forces Committee, then-Sen. Sam Nunn led hearings that helped undermine President Clinton’s attempt to lift the ban on open service.

    Nunn later moderated his position somewhat, but his legacy on the issue is nevertheless shameful.

    • Ben in Oakland

      yet, he was never ashamed of it.

    • Friday

      Of course LGBT issues were still the ‘third rail of politics’ and the Democratic party wasn’t yet shed of all the bigots.

      • another_steve

        Still not shed of all its bigots, actually.

        Sane queer people have no where to go in the U.S. other than to the Democratic Party, but I don’t think the historical record is served by forgetting or by white-washing the party’s ongoing “evolution.”

        Let’s remember that not so long ago, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were opposed to marriage equality.

        • Friday

          Eh, not really. There’s a difference between not saying they were going to press *for* full equality there, and ever having been in *active opposition.*

          • another_steve

            Semantics. When a sitting President of the United States refuses to endorse something like marriage equality, he’s sending out a message that the United States should not “go there.” We can quibble re whether that constitutes “opposition” or not.

            Water under the bridge now.

            I’m only arguing that we not forget history or attempt to white-wash the historical record.

          • Friday

            It’s not bloody semantics when there is a world of difference in *actions,* never mind just the actual meanings of words.

          • another_steve

            Please. You’re parsing, girl.

            Before President Obama’s “evolution” on point, when he refused to endorse marriage equality he was most definitely opposing the right of same-sex couples to marry.

            True, he never held a press conference to “announce” that he formally was opposing the right of same-sex couples to marry.

            He didn’t have to.

            Everyone understood where he stood at the time.

          • Friday

            There is also a difference between ‘not pushing for’ something and ‘opposing’ it, either by words or deeds. Never mind both, as the Right has constantly done.

            I “don’t support” Puerto Rican statehood at this time, for instance. That doesn’t mean saying so means I’ve been speaking against or trying to prevent it.

        • greenmanTN

          I’m not convinced there ever was an “evolution” in Barack Obama’s thinking. He believed in gay rights at the beginning, but waited until he had the power to do something about it.

          That clip where Joe Biden comes out as a supporter of same-sex is a thing of beauty.

          • another_steve

            Love me my Barack Obama, but I think boyfriend — the consummate politician — did the usual politician thing, which was to hold his finger up high and see which way the wind was blowing.

            Regardless of what he deep-down believed from the get-go, he sensed the prevailing wind, and ultimately went with it.

          • greenmanTN

            I think there was a lot of political calculation involved. Gay rights was and is so “controversial” he was waiting for his second term to do anything about it because it might hurt his chances for re-election. But then Biden gave that interview about supporting same-sex marriage and that forced him to “come out” as a supporter too.

            I like 2nd term no-more-fucks-to-give Obama more than I did 1st term Obama.

            I could be wrong, but I find it hard to believe that a man of Obama’s intelligence and humanity wasn’t on board from the beginning, but he was “against” marriage equality for political reasons, which I don’t hold against him given the situation. You have to be IN office before you can get things done and that might require some subterfuge.

            But look how far the gay community has come in such few years. DADT is gone and the military is fully integrated. Marriage is available to all, instead of having our rights change just by crossing a state line.

            Thanks, Obama! (And I mean that sincerely.)

          • another_steve

            Well said, greenman.

            And yes, the progress the community has made in a relatively short time is amazing.

    • IamM

      Never forget, never forgive.

      • Friday

        Never blow the game cause you lost perspective, either, dammit.

  • Tigernan Quinn

    I’ve told my story a few times: I was at Fort Knox in 1990 when my roommate and I got caught fooling around by CQ – our fundamentalist commander decided the best thing to do would be to make an example of us, have us stand on stage at a BATALLION meeting, and “put to bed any rumors.” Then he took us back to his office and read us leviticus while he peppered us with objects from around the office. My chin got the stapler. Finally, we were sent to detention/holding company, where we did hard labor for three months, which included literally breaking rocks and mowing football fields with our fingers – the other inmates were being outprocessed for violent crimes, and for fun, had been made aware of why Parker and I were being kicked out. That was easily the most terrifying time of my life, and I’ve been shot at by the enemy. When DADT passed, I wept, and when it was repealed, I cried even harder. No one will ever be sent to Holding again.

    • zhera

      Holy fuck! You were sent to jail? (Or the military word for it.) I thought it was a case of being kicked out of the military and stripped of honors/benefits.

      • Friday

        Before DADT gay people could be sent to the stockade and/or experimented on. (This is why even DADT was considered an improvement) I know a trans lady who confessed being trans to a company shrink cause she was having problems, ..so they (as was a common ignorance at the time,) decided she needed *more* testosterone than unwanted organs were already flooding her brain with. (The exact wrong thing to do of course.) There was certain off-mission structural damage, as well as, well, certain military material sent back to the taxpayers. She probably only got off with a dishonorable discharge (life-ruining enough) cause they were covering up the medical malpractice.

      • Tigernan Quinn

        Yeah, it was straight up jail, shaved heads and brown uniform with HOLDING on the back, locked cells, the whole nine. You see, you have to be observed during your outprocessing because who knows what you might do. That observation might go on for some time because your paperwork might just keep getting lost.

        • zhera

          Straight up EVIL!

          I’m so sorry you were put through that. ♥

    • Bj Lincoln

      Keep telling it. Tell our youth. Write it down and make sure it gets saved. What happen to you and your friend IS the story of our fight for equality.
      I am so glad you survived to tell us and others of your suffering. I am sorry you had to suffer and grateful for your service to us and the US.

      • Tigernan Quinn

        My book on it is actually coming out in the fall. 😉 “All That You Can Be.” Graphic novel I drew.

        • greenmanTN

          I’m sorry that happened to you, and let us know when your graphic novel is released. I’d like to read it.

          • Tigernan Quinn

            Oh, um – cool. Thanks! I hadn’t really thought about that, lol.

          • greenmanTN

            Market it however you can, baby.

  • Richard B

    It is noteworthy that absolutely none of bigoted Tony Perkins’ or the shrew Linda Harvey, or the hateful AFA predictions of a ruined military came to pass and instead we have strong robust military plus a gay Army chief of staff, Eric Fanning ….

    • Randy503

      Remember the Center for Military Readiness? It was one woman with a fax machine, and she testified numerous times in congress that our armed forces would collapse.

      • And there was the famous time her testimony was so off the wall that she got laughs from the audience.

    • jayjonson

      I remember the hysterical temper tantrum thrown by McCain when cloture finally ended his filibuster. He ran around the Senate floor like a chicken with his head cut off. He predicted that people would die because of repeal.

  • JellyDonut

    I remember we had to attend a briefing of about 15 minutes….nobody cared. The GOP made it out like the entire armed forces were going to revolt, but truth was it was a nonissue

    • yup same here. the repeal came and went and the military was fine. a bunch of right wing old vets claimed it would destroy the military but they had no idea how people in the military today felt about it.

  • The official GOP platform is to reinstate DADT — as usual, claiming with no supporting evidence whatsoever, that the repeal has been “a disaster.” And to make at-will discrimination against LGBT Americans 100% legal. And to repeal the (sadly underutilized) hate crimes law. And to ban same-sex marriage.

    Protections for workplace discrimination? Forget about it. I’d say they want businesses to be able to put “NO GAYS” signs in their windows — but we already know the reason they don’t want to do that is because it’d deny them the chance to shame and publicly humiliate a possibly gay would-be customer. And then turn around and claim they’re good Christian folks who love everybody.

    Any LGBT American who votes Republican is voting against their own interests and foolishly failing to realize their rights to be an openly gay or trans person exist only because DEMOCRATS passed those laws, nominated those judges, and promoted policies of equality and respect.

    If, knowing and having been informed of these facts, this person still wants to vote Republican, then they are parasites on the rest of us and should be Lysistrata’d completely.

    • Ninja0980

      Indeed, between DOMA and the marriage bans, there were only 2 judges appointed by Democrats who ruled against us, versus 16 for SCOTUS.
      If you are an LGBT person who wants to protect the rights we’ve gained, vote Democrat.

      • Bill_Perdue

        Democrats voted for DOMA and you don’t even have the guts to admit and apologize for it. In 1996 the bigot Clinton signed and championed DOMA, which like DADT, is bigotry pure and simple. DOMA passed overwhelmingly with the support of both parties, 85-14 in the Senate and 342-67 in the House. It was signed immediately by Bill Clinton, who then rushed to air a series of campaign ads on redneck radio boasting about his signature on DOMA, pro-redneck religious laws and against reproductive choice.

        Here are those ads:
        “Protecting religious freedom. It’s the foundation of our nation.
        When the Justice Department went after a church to gather the parishioners’ tithing money, the government was stopped cold because President Clinton overturned the government’s policy and protected us. It’s not the only time he’s defended our values…
        President Clinton wants a complete ban on late term abortions except when the mother’s life is in danger or faces severe health risks, such as the inability to have another child.
        The President signed the Defense of Marriage Act, supports curfews and school uniforms to teach our children discipline. President Clinton has fought for our values and America is better for it.”
        Paid for by Clinton/Gore 96″

  • Morey Soffo

    Hubby & I are both USN (Ret.). We met in service in 1981. I (CWO2) served from 1974-1995 and he (SHC) from 1980-2000. Still kind of amazed that despite buying property and vehicles together and maintaining banking and credit accounts together that NIS never quite glommed, grokked or sussed. I guess that unless were were stereotypically and cartoonishly gay, like showing up for muster in red pumps and rouge, they couldn’t reckon it out. Probably the way they look for terrorists: BOLO for a guy in a burnoose with a bowling-ball bomb with a lit fuse sparkling at the end. Sleep well, citizens, eh?

    • My (now-ex) brother-in-law served in the USN in the late 1970s as a quartermaster. He said everyone he served with knew he was gay, including his CO, but didn’t care because he was very good at his job.

      For most of the last few generations, the anti-homosexuality rules in the military were used and applied punitively — and during the DADT era, that actually didn’t change at all.

      • Friday

        If anything DADT was used to threaten rape victims, particularly female troops, on being called ‘gay’ if they reported it/didn’t play along. (also undermined any recourse to the chain of command.) The Right of course ‘blames the gays’ that there was a pent-up spike in reporting them waiting to happen once that threat wasn’t there anymore.

        • I know what you mean — the blackmail stories were endemic. Which is doubly sad and ironic because blackmail potential was originally one of the reasons cited for not letting gay people serve.

          As ever, it was blaming the victims, not the perps of these crimes.

          • Friday

            Dumbest thing in the world was the ‘Lavender Scare.’ “We need to make sure you’re extra-blackmailable because someone might blackmail you.”

            Even as of the 80’s, a kid like me, nowhere else to turn, pretty ridiculous test scores and that, all the intelligence agencies made recruiting pitches, would have paid for college or military academies of choice, Still were saying that shit about LGBT people, though, wanted you to lie and say you were straight.

            If instead someone had said, “Here’s an Uncle Sam that’s got yer back no matter what,” forget about it, I was already packed.

            Republicans and them would think somehow their own anti-LGBT pogrom would somehow prevent queers from selling out to the *Soviet Union?* That was just dumb, when they could instead have had a lot more fucking loyalty than that sort of profession normally even calls for.

  • Ninja0980

    Both parties are the same though right?

  • Friday

    Wait, wasn’t the entire military supposed to have collapsed by now in a horror story of pink camouflage, deserting units and helpless Marines getting raped in showers by effeminate drag queens?

    • yup…according to the FRC, WND, and the rest that was exactly what was going to happen. WND said that letting gays service was the same as detonating a weapon of mass destruction on the military so they were not at all short on the hyperbole or predictions of woe. But of course none of that has come about becasue they were dead wrong and their arguments were always baseless.

      • Friday

        As always, of course. Their initial arguments were still being trotted out even after other nations had open service for over a decade.

  • Henry Auvil

    That was just one of the many days I was so proud of our President. DAMN! I’m going to miss him.

  • Bill_Perdue

    These are the people who defeated DADT

    • And a big thanks to them. Also a big thanks to everyone who voted to repeal the law and approve open service.

  • Randy503

    I’m voting solid Democrat. But just remember this: Polls showed that 90% of the public was in favor of repealing DADT, and Democratic consultants were telling Obama that repealing DADT would be too controversial and it would hurt him politically.

    How wrong they were. Most political consultants are.

  • 5 years and where are all those negative consequences the anti-gays claimed would happen? Oh right….they are no where to be found. FRC and the rest claimed that the sky would fall but it has not becasue of course it would not. each passing year is just more evidence that they were 100% wrong.

  • rednekokie

    One of the best things which Obama did – whether he wanted to at the time, or not.
    It turned out to be the gateway to all our freedoms — whether straight, gay, black, white (or any other ) — it allowed all Americans to just be Americans, without fear of recrimination by some bigot.

  • greenmanTN

    But both parties are the same.

  • LesbianTippingHabits

    The real question is, How does Hillary tip?

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