New ABC/WaPo Poll: Hillary +5 Nationwide

The Washington Post reports:

Hillary Clinton maintains a lead over Donald Trump, but lagging interest among some of her supporters poses a potential turnout challenge for Democrats with less than nine weeks before Election Day, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Clinton holds a 46 percent to 41 percent edge over Trump among likely voters, followed by Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson at 9 percent and the Green Party’s Jill Stein at 2 percent. Clinton’s lead swells to 10 percentage points among the wider swath of registered voters, 45 percent to 35 percent, similar to her 45 percent to 37 percent edge last month.

The findings come at a time when the margins between Clinton and Trump have narrowed in some battleground states and when some national polls also have shown a tightening in the competition. Heading toward the first presidential debate on Sept. 26, though, Trump still appears to have the more challenging route to victory.

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  • Get Real

    Not voting means that you are voting for Donald Trump. Voting for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson means that you are voting for Donald Trump since we all know that neither will win.

    • Lawerence Collins

      Not voting, is just not voting, period! I don’t see Hillary making any effort to sway true progressives to vote for her.

      • Friday

        True progressives shouldn’t need to be ‘swayed’ in this situation. Progress doesn’t come from tantrums, it comes from starting where we are and getting progressive things done. You can stomp up and down about ‘incrementalism’ but wishing the situation were otherwise does not make it so. If you don’t think Hillary is progressive enough for you, well, it’s not like anyone can get more done unless and until we get the legislative ability to *get anything done.*

        • Lawerence Collins

          The power of the electorate can be very convincing as well. Obama squandered that power when he took office. He could’ve at least tried to do more. All the while making the GOP thugs look even more un-American.

          • Friday

            Or, more people could have actually voted in the next midterms instead of patting themselves on the back and saying ‘job done,’

          • Lawerence Collins

            Both are true..

      • Carl

        At the end of the day, what’s the difference between “true progressives” who can’t be swayed and lazy asses who can’t be bothered?

        • Lawerence Collins

          The fact that the DNC allowed such an untrustworthy, unlikable candidate to run. Wake up! I used to be just like you till July of last year. Blue no matter who till late April of this year. The facts are Hillary doesn’t want or care about voters like me. I hold out hope that she actually shows true concern. Clocks ticking.

      • For fucks sakes be an adult. You need to be “swayed” into not letting Trump win?

        • Lawerence Collins

          🍊 Scourge wins its not my fault. The DNC with Hillary fan girl DWS is the responsible faction in this case.

          • So much for being an adult.

          • Lawerence Collins

            I’m always an adult.

        • Lawerence Collins

          Someone to blame. Go look in the mirror.

          • Except she’s not polling worst. She’s ahead. And Bernie would never have stood a chance.

          • Lawerence Collins

            All the polls showed Bernie being at least 15 points ahead of the 🍊Scourge!
            Bernie never stood a chance against that fraud DWS!

          • “All the polls” from four months ago. Ok. Anyway, Hillary will win, Bernie would have lost, badly.

          • Lawerence Collins

            I see you’re suffering from a delusional psychological break. From a former Clinton supporter. I feel sorry for your kind. I ignored the facts for years until faced with the cold hard truth about her.
            I hope you have someone to comfort you when you actually see her for who she really is.

    • ‘Genryu’

      Stop with this dim witted and long debunked utter bullshit. No, a vote for someone else is not a vote for Trump. By your own logic, voting for the weakest possible candidate – Hillary Clinton, you too are voting for Trump.

      • Bruno

        If you think Clinton is “the weakest possible candidate,” then you are definitely a tRump supporter.

        • Lawerence Collins

          Not hardly true. They’re both dangerous. But just for different issues.

      • Even is she was the “weakest possible candidate” — she’s not — the only two people who can win are Clinton and Trump. Nothing was “debunked”: unless you’re in a firmly blue state, voting for anyone else is a vote for Trump. Period.

        • Todd20036

          I live in the bluest area possible – DC.

          I’m STILL voting, and I’m voting for Clinton.

          Because I want to be able to face my reflection the next day and not cringe.

    • The only message not voting sends to politicians is that you don’t care. And since you don’t care why should they bother talking to your or campaigning for your vote. You don’t care. If you really truly don’t see the difference or can’t stand either one, then yes voting for a “third-party” candidate is better than not voting at all. At least that sends a message. But not voting says “I was too lazy to bother” regardless of what your actual reason may be.

  • PickyPecker
    • PeterC

      Is this implying Hillary is a bobble-head or she just is not worried?

      • Todd20036

        Or she’s getting lucky out of frame.

  • popebuck1

    And that was BEFORE she made the unpardonably impolite remark pointing out that some of Trump’s supporters are racists! Her supporters will never forgive her for that one. I was going to vote for her, but now I’m voting a straight Deez Nuts ticket.

    • Daveed_WOW

      She was wrong. Too nice. ALL of Trump’s supporters are racists.

    • Librarykid

      I hope you forgot to include the “s” at the end of your ticket.

      When is it a social disaster to call a bigot a bigot?

      • popebuck1

        I figured the Deez Nuts reference would be enough to make it clear. I guess not.

    • Yixing’s Fluffer

      White supremacists? Holocaust deniers? Violent homophobes? They’ve earned the right to their beliefs.

      Saying ‘deplorables’? Unconscionable.

    • ericxdc

      Same here. I was a strong Clinton supporter. But, my gosh… there’s just no place in politics for that type of name calling. I’m now voting Trump. And, anyone who still supports the kind of filthy mouth vulgarity that Clinton promotes is just a β€œvery insecure” β€œclown;” an β€œoff the wall” β€œneurotic” whose a β€œnot very bright” β€œmess!” and I’d like to “punch ’em in the face.”

    • Traxley Launderette

      I’m just glad she didn’t call them poopy meany-heads.

      It would have brought the Apocalypse.

      • ericxdc

        Poopy meany-heads?! Now, I don’t think that’s appropriate language for a Sunday morning, even in jest.

        I mean, whatever happened to class?

      • popebuck1

        The impertinence! The disrespect!

  • bkmn

    It will be interesting to see how long the NYT and WaPo and other outlets overlook Trump’s multiple real scandals to focus on Hillary’s might be, may be, there is a pinch of doubt scandals.

    Though it really seemed as if NBC woke up a bit after Matt Lauer’s pathetic Presidential Forum performance. I saw several pieces on Trump that were far away from the fawning treatment Lauer gave him, the day after the Forum.

    • SoCalGal20

      WaPo isn’t overlooking Trump’s real scandals. Good luck getting the idiots on CNN or other news programs to talk about them, though. Just yesterday from WaPo, for example. This story should be all over the place.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-donald-trump-retooled-his-charity-to-spend-other-peoples-money/2016/09/10/da8cce64-75df-11e6-8149-b8d05321db62_story.html?postshare=7771473599985723&tid=ss_tw

      • Herald

        And the media / Repubs bitch about the Clinton Foundation!

        This story should definitely be all over the place. Those of you on Twitter and FB could spread it too.

      • Todd20036

        That’s why I read WaPo (and subscribe to it)

        It’s about as close to centrist as you can get among the MSM.

        Fox is so far right, it’s pathetic. When a few emails were discovered, they were all over it with insinuations about how it could reopen the investigations and whatnot.

        Not much coverage about most of them being duplicates or innocuous.

    • ericxdc

      The US media suffers from an acute case of Journalistic Narcolepsy Disorder. They’re jolted awake for a few news cycles but rest assured (pun intended), they will collapse into spasms of fitful sleep again long before the debates happen.

      • bkmn

        The US media needs to realize that Trump hates anyone who actually reports on him. If they give him blowjob pieces he loves them. I don’t doubt for a minute that if he were to win that he would not hesitate to treat them the way Putin treats his enemies in the press.

        • ericxdc

          The US media needs to realize they are supposed to be the Fourth Estate, “a term that positions the press as a fourth branch of government and one that is important to a functioning democracy. The First Amendment to the Constitution “frees” the press but carries with it a responsibility to be the people’s watchdog.” (Kathy Gill, US Political Analyst).

          Right now, they are more like parrots… repeating what they hear but adding little value when it counts. I am NOT talking about the occasional long-form article or commentary. I am talking about confronting lies when those lies are spoken; focusing on issues that actually matter to Americans, not tabloid – or twitter – headlines; standing up for freedom and democracy, not ratings and money.

          Just look at this morning’s Sunday morning show line-up. One democratic House Representative. The rest have booked Gingrich and, god forbid, Giuliani. And, this is not an anomaly. I mean… Gingrich????? Giuliani???? How the F*** does that advance the conversation our nation should be having?

          It’s sad – in the truest sense of the word. Sad for America, sad for the truth, and sad for our future. And, the worst thing is that I don’t think there’s anything we can do about it.

          I’ve depressed myself again. Maybe it’s time for another Mimosa!

          • That_Looks_Delicious

            They remind us every time a Kardashian “breaks the internet” with a new photo. What more can you expect from them?

    • safari

      Remember when he didn’t pay 7 year olds or campaign staffers and hired a guy who organized people to throw rocks at our marines? Good times. But Hillary had emails and has a foundation.

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    • Gustav2

      One of the problems is ‘Clinton Time.’ They keep everyone, including the press waiting, they are never on time. It pisses the press off and makes the Clinton’s snobbish.

  • Traxley Launderette

    IF YOU KNOW AN UNREGISTERED POTENTIAL VOTER, DRAG THEM, SIT THEM DOWN, AND GET THEM ON BOARD ASAP!

  • Treant

    Good for her. As for the Donald…

  • Lazycrockett

    Well this is the next story for the beginning of the week.

    https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/774987084268466179

    • Daveed_WOW

      Perfect example of media bias. “Just” an hour and half? That sounds unbearable to me. In the heat.

      • SoCalGal20

        That “just” is from a statement from Nick Merrill, Clinton’s press secretary.

      • Beagle

        It was less than an hour and a half from when the first plane hit to when the towers fell.

        • Daveed_WOW

          Obtuse trope of the day!

    • OdieDenCO

      NBC just interrupted Meet the press to report “Clinton’s health has been in question for awhile now”

      my throat still hurts from screaming at the TV about the bull of a made up issue

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      Yesterday’s heat up and down the East Coast was vile. The night before was the hottest September night ever recorded in the history of the world in DC. I was out in it for all of 20 minutes and just about passed out.

      • Beagle

        It’s been brutal for several weeks.

  • Daveed_WOW

    Stein weak. Johnson strongish. This is good.

  • Librarykid

    Are young black voters saying that they will only turn our for Obama; that they cannot get motivated to vote for democrats who want to preserve/restore everyone’s right to vote and work for fairness in our nation? Maybe it’s time they learned that previous generations died for the right to vote that they seem not to value. This democrat has not missed an election since I was able to vote. If nothing else, it is my ticket to complain.

    • JustSayin’

      Where do you see race in that story? Am i missing it?

      • Librarykid

        Papers have been running articles this past week (like on the front page of the NYT) that young black voters don’t feel motivated to vote for Hillary. The statement about lagging interest among traditional supporters seemed to allude to that.

        • Bruno

          Young voters of all races tend to vote Democratic. This year, they were attracted more to Bernie than Hillary. He’s going to need to get on the campaign trail for her sooner than later, as planned.

          • Lazycrockett

            I think once Obama and Michelle start hitting the trail those numbers will rise.

          • Bruno

            Maybe, but they need Bernie too for maximum effect. The 2008 young’uns aren’t so young anymore.

          • Ninja0980

            Bernie (and WikiLeaks) have made it so they think the system is rigged.
            I do believe many of them won’t turn out just for that reason, no matter what he does now.

        • Friday

          Part of the point of all this garbage and nonsense from the Right is *actually* to turn thinking people off.

  • JustSayin’

    Everyone please read and re-read the first paragraph. Dems as usual start out strong and then stop for a latte fifteen feet from finish line! Do not let that happen!

  • Traxley Launderette

    O/T:

    So this happened, just down the street from me…

    http://woodtv.com/2016/09/10/debate-sparks-over-student-display-at-high-school-football-game/

    Forest Hills is the bastion of gracious, affluent, and lily-white republican living around here. Amway is a neighbor.

    Ottawa Hills is mostly black, a mix of middle to lower-middle class families on Grand Rapids’ southeast side.

    Houseman Field is named for Grand Rapids’ first and most successful Jewish merchant. He set up shop before the Civil War and ran a fine clothing store for over 100 years.

    FHC cheerleaders were disciplined for directing racial epithets at Ottawa players just four years ago.

    • JustSayin’

      Some of the replies to the linked facebook open letter are disturbing to say the least

      • Traxley Launderette

        Same with the local news reports on FB.

        Michigan bears some striking similarities to the south when you leave the city limits of Grand Rapids, Lansing, Flint, and Detroit.

        (I moved my post to Joe’s more recent post about Alabama’s redneck firing squad above. A bit less irrelevance, maybe)

  • SoCalGal20

    Something interesting from this poll is that only like 50% of the Stein and Johnson voters said thry would definitely vote for them so expect their actual election percentages to be substantially lower than how they’re polling.

  • Archipelagos

    Not good enough folks. Not nearly.

    • douglas

      I had that argument with a couple of young voters at a Gore rally in Miami Beach the night before the election in 2000. “My vote won’t mean anything so why bother.” Then look how close Florida was and Miami was the centre of that storm.

  • SoCalGal20
    • Todd20036

      Cool, but I’m just pissed that it isn’t +50 Clinton.

      Romney was no prize, but I’d vote for him in a heartbeat if he were the choice against Trump

  • Yixing’s Fluffer

    How much of that 9% will abandon Gary “What Is Aleppo?” Johnson? I don’t see them moving to Trump, either.

    • Bruno

      Hard to say. I’m fairly sure Johnson’s support is stagnating. But it may not drop off…there’s a group of people that are attracted to Libertarianism, and they tend to not like both Clinton and tRump. The concept of the “gun to the head” election in November is real though. Some may panic and move towards Hillary, but it’s tough to say for certain what will happen with them.

    • KarenAtFOH

      Oh, that’s the insurance mascot, right?

      • Todd20036

        That was the horse and buggy that ran across the kitchen floor into the cupboard.

    • This year is so full of wild cards that it’s hard to predict that. Usually third party support collapses on election day. Will that happen this time? I don’t know. The people I know who are supporting Johnson hate Clinton and Trump so I don’t see them switching to either one, but then my sample may not be representative. What we do see in polling is that Clinton’s numbers go up and down while Trump’s stay pretty much the same so it does seem that Stein and Johnson voters, at least some of them, sometimes support Clinton but rarely Trump.

  • Gustav2

    On MTP today, it was funny how Brokaw and Brooks were on Clinton’s case about dividing the US. Lot’s of talk about silo-ing, etc.according to education. Republicans are now the party of high school educated with the wind in their faces, Democrats are the party of the college educated with the wind at their backs.

    Funny, the only folks that are divided by education are the str8 white folk. The pundits were stuck on how the white vote was divided.

    • Gustav2

      BTW growing up in the late 1950’s and 1960’s, we were also “silo-ed” Roman Catholics did not talk to Lutherans, who didn’t talk to Baptists who didn’t talk to Methodist. Italians mostly stuck together, etc.etc.etc.

      This is nothing new.

    • Yixing’s Fluffer

      Meanwhile Giuliani said, “Until the war is over, anything’s legal.” Not kidding.

    • joe ho

      Brokaw has a weird bromance with Trump. He loves the story that he’s breaking all the rules. Brooks says whatever superficial thought pops into his head.

  • Marides48

    “Its rigged!”

  • Meanwhile the Washington Post reports on MORE of Trump’s fraudulent activities

    How Donald Trump retooled his charity to spend other people’s money

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/09/11/National-Politics/Images/trumpfoundationchart.gif

  • thom

    new NBC/WSJ state polls
    Georgia: Trump +2
    Nevada: Trump +1
    Arizona: Trump +1
    New Hampshire: Clinton +2

    new CBS poll
    Florida: Clinton +2
    Ohio: Clinton +7

    • Bruno

      More all-over-the-place polling. New Hampshire is a concern here. Poll last week had the state at +11 Clinton while this one has +2. I guess I’m not surprised at Nevada, since it’s at best polled about +2 Clinton even at peak times. Arizona & Georgia seem like close but no cigar for Clinton at this point.

      • Luis De California

        Nevada’s hard to poll, period.

        I have faith given the demographics and the fact that most GOP state leaders haven’t thrown full support behind Trump since they know the Latinos in the state will fume πŸ™‚ In fact, Dems are already perched to take the Senate seat with ads denouncing the GOP candidate’s support of Trump: http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/08/politics/joe-heck-nevada-senate-race/

        • Bruno

          Is there a reason or reasons it’s hard to poll? I know that recent polling has underestimate the Hispanic electorate for some reason, and many think it’s continuing to do so. I have a very hard time believing that if Arizona is only slightly leaning tRump that Nevada is only slightly leaning Clinton. I have a feeling Election Day will turn out to be somewhere between +6 to +10 for Clinton in Nevada, despite most polls showing +2. New Hampshire has always been a tough state to poll too. Mercurial electorate I think in that case.

          • Luis De California

            Housing crisis was a major player. Many people left.

            Even if Hillary doesn’t flip Arizona, which is likely, the margins will be closer than past years and that should be too close for comfort with the GOP πŸ™‚ The Texan margins will be up as well and should serve as a warning. GOP’s vote % numbers will be down in the entire Southwest regardless if they win a few states there.

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          That is an interesting development over the last 6 months or so. Cortez Masto and Hassan appears to be clearly leading their Republican opponent in all the polls, whereas Portman still looks very strong in Ohio and North Carolina still seems iffy. At the beginning of the year, looking at all the senate races, NV and NH seemed to be going R while OH and NC looked more like they were going D.

    • StillALiberal

      Lets remember that Arizona & Georgia were Romney states in 2012 – the fact that they are still tossups is good news for Clinton. She can also take losing Nevada (6 ECV) and New Hampshire (4 ECV) and still win. Ohio being +7 is massively good news – the best she has done since March – hope its not an outlier and can be backed up with other pollsters.

      • Bruno

        Most polls I’ve seen of Ohio have shown her with a small but solid +4 or +5. There was one a few days ago from Quinnipiac that had tRump ahead. She seems to be doing better in Ohio than in Iowa or Nevada.

  • thom

    for some perspective. ..

    Looking back vs. same poll in 2012:
    9/9/12: Obama +6 RV; +1 LV
    9/8/16: Clinton +10 RV; +5 LV

  • Max_1
  • Johnny Wyeknot

    I’m sure this has been said many times, but it’s worth repeating. Trump lies every time he says anything and never apologizes. Clinton tells the truth and is immediately called upon to apologize for it. Sometimes I feel I have fallen down the proverbial rabbit hole.

    • Bruno

      It’s a double standard due to pure misogyny. And in this country, misogyny cannot be discussed at the national level, because people pretend it doesn’t exist.

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        Political correctness gone amuck they say, if it’s brought up.

        • Bruno

          At least the Matt Lauer thing made news. Even if it wasn’t framed correctly for the misogynistic event it was, he still got majorly called out. It’s something.

    • joe ho

      The false equivalence is overwhelming. Clinton offending racists is equivalent to Trump offending Hispanics, blacks, Muslims and women.

  • Ross

    From 538, Now-cast:

  • Lazycrockett
  • bob

    I get over heated and weak in this heat ! My biggest question is if you were sick ,why would you even run ?

  • ‘Genryu’

    Hillary being only five points ahead is not a cause for celebration. It means, given the margin of error, that she is not in fact beating Trump by any significant amount.That she cannot lead against Trump, at this stage, by double digits, is horrifying.

    • Bruno

      Margin of error can go both ways. Given that she’s +10 with RV, that would indicate she has a solid lead in this poll.

    • Ross

      In 2008 and 2012, Obama was up, mostly, by 1 to 2 points.

      So, having a 5 point lead is actually huge.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Actually, the gap between the 10 point lead among registered voters and the 5 point lead among likely voters is quite large. That may be the biggest story there.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    This actually hurts my brain. How? How is this election this close? Ok, I know the answer, but that makes it all the more troubling. Trump continues to encourage the most vile among the citizenry and is still seen as presidential…..WTF?!? Hillary, on the other hand, has been found to be far more truthful than people believe, from Benghazi to the emails to the Clinton Foundation, all the untruths have been revealed and laid bare and still, she’s tied? What is it with your country?? Non-existent Christ, what is it we on the outside aren’t seeing? I mean CBC, BBC, ABC (Aus) and other outlets are reporting but it’s vastly different than what…….oh wait……right, I forgot……it’s not the people necessarily, it’s the media. Nevermind.

    • Bruno

      This poll isn’t showing a tie, it’s showing a solid Clinton lead (which would lead to a strong electoral college win) but with a perceived lack of enthusiasm. But to answer your question as to why it’s close, the real answer is polarization. Unfortunately, diehard Rethuglicans would vote for actual Hitler over any Democrat.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        True. There is also an article in today’s NYT on Appalachia. Voters believe that he will return a life that they loved that has disappeared (jobs, coal, access, certainty.) They know he’s dangerous, they see her as continuing the same trajectory. Read as: a downward spiral in their lives happened under Obama, she is him part two. I was screaming “he won’t solve a damned thing!” but oddly, he is running on hope. It’s a sick, twisted lie of a hope, but it’s “What the matter with Kansas?” all over again.

        • Bruno

          To be fair, if we’re talking coal country, I can see why they might distrust Hillary after her gaffe in WV a few months ago. People there have very uncertain futures, and it’s scaring them into one camp. Also, it has to be said, Appalachia is one of the most racist and xenophobic areas of the country, esp. WV & KY. No Democrat can win those states these days in a presidential election like they used to. That started way before 2016.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Agreed, and the author noted that gaffe in particular. No way is a Democrat going to win KY or WV now, certainly. Having noted, I wanted to really hate the Trump voters in this article, and although I found their thinking totally illogical, there was a clear desperation there that although illogical did not appear to be hate driven.

          • Ninja0980

            Desperate people do desperate things.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        ^^This.^^

        I’ve found that this book by Bishop & Cushing explains what has been happening in America better than anything else written in the last 20 years: http://www.thebigsort.com/home.php. It is a tough slog in parts where they go in detail through all the mathematical analysis that proves the authors’ point, but it is fascinating and pertinent.

    • Because there are that many people who are that racist, that sexist, that antisemitic and that stupid (much overlap among those groups, obviously).

    • Mikey

      get your act together…
      I have all my family and friends working night and day at Lacolle, building that wall.

  • Get it together, Americans.

  • Sam_Handwich
  • James

    Terrifying.

  • Clinton is 7 points up in Ohio. Today’s CBS has Clinton at 319 electoral votes without Florida (where she’s up by 2).

  • Rocco

    Smh….shocked but not surprised. How can it be that close?!? I guess I am in denial that there are that many stupid people in the US. I guess he was eerily correct when he said he could go shoot someone on Fith Avenue, in broad daylight, and still get elected. I guess I’m the dumb one, because I really don’t understand .

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