BREAKING: Sen. Tim Kaine Named As Hillary’s VP

Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine has just been revealed to be Hillary Clinton’s running mate, per the New York Times. According to MSNBC, the Clinton campaign reached out to Sen. Cory Booker and Agriculture Sec. Tom Vilsack to break the news shortly before tonight’s announcement. More to come here shortly….tkk kainevotingrecord

  • Lazycrockett

    You were the first to show up in my twitter feed Joe.

    • JoeMyGod

      Maaaybe I had three different posts ready to go and just had to hit publish on the right on. Shhh!

      • Lazycrockett

        Well when you beat the NY Times, MSNBC, NBC, CNN and numerous others you’re doing something right.

      • PiperPine

        pulling back the curtain too much!

        • JoeMyGod

          Pretty much every news site does this when something is down to just a few people.

          • PiperPine

            All true and it makes sense I just like joking about it.

      • Adam King

        I knew it, I knew it… Media Manipulator!!

      • MB

        Is pushing the publish link a job you have delegated to Shelley?
        Smart cat.

  • DaddyRay

    I am good with this

  • Dave B

    I googled Tim Kaine, this was at the top of the list.

    “Tim Kaine Wouldn’t Do Much To Help Clinton Win The Election”

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tim-kaine-probably-wouldnt-win-clinton-the-election/

    • Ninja0980

      No VP really does most of the time, they can only help you lose it.

      • Treant

        I wonder if this will be the exception. Up against the horror that is Pence, Kaine looks like he sports a halo. And that’s going to show in the debates.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Interesting article. That 1.8 points in Florida would have been the most worth going after, and Virginia seems to already be in the bag for her, but I really can’t imagine who in Florida would have been a good VP pick.

  • Yup, just got the text from Hillary.

  • Michael Smith

    After last night’s nightmare of a speech from Trump, I would vote for Hillary almost no matter who she picked.

  • Lazycrockett

    Well having been the Chair of the DNC he does know a lot of the activist and workers in the party so that’s a plus.

  • Lakeview Bob

    She didn’t pick my future ex-husband Cory Booker as I hoped but I did predict she had to pick a white man. I don’t agree with that but I think it was necessary.

    • LydiRae

      I was hoping for Booker, too. He’s still young. Lots of time for more races and getting hitched.

    • Daveed_WOW

      He’s still young and gorgeous. He’ll keep for a while. Maybe there’s a cabinet post in his future.

  • Get Real

    Good choice. Virginia is a swing state and he is a fluent Spanish speaker. He has been governor of Virginia and he has roots in the redder part of the state. He might take Virginia out of the swing state category. The replacement senator will be another Dem.

    • Adam King

      All good points. Also, he’s Clinton’s choice. She needs to be comfortable and confident, and if he helps, I’m happy.

  • PiperPine

    I can live with this its better then some choices and he’s competent.

  • Lazycrockett

    I’m really impressed that the campaign was able to hold this together without it leaking. Shows how well the campaign is being run.

  • Ninja0980

    VA is a swing state and he can speak fluent Spanish.
    Solid pick in my calculations.

    • Treant

      +1. He’s boring, but can help deliver VA and FL. Plus there’s probably more to him than it might seem; he just hasn’t spoken out that much before.

      And VA and FL is the election if the other states go as expected.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        How does Kaine help with Florida?

        • Treant

          Spanish speaker. Florida has a much heavier percent of Spanish voters than some others, and is also a swing state.

          This *might* help in Arizona as well, on the off chance that AZ is swing this cycle. And it might be.

          • GayOldLady

            He’s not just Spanish speaking, he speaks Spanish like it is his first language. This will help among Latinos where English isn’t their first language.

          • Adam King

            He’s going to rock the Spanish-speaking media–big plus.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Spanish speaker AND an opponent who hates those who speak it.

            And Kaine’s speeches in fluent Spanish are a sign of what he can do.

        • GayOldLady

          One thing we know for sure, Trump will have a difficult time with the Latino population in Florida. Trump doesn’t speak Spanish, he barely speaks English and Pence doesn’t speak Spanishg either. Kaine will be a great help in States with a sizable Latino population.

          • Bruno

            I’m assuming Rick Scott & the Florida legislature will somehow try and see to that with some great new “voter protection” laws.

          • Hank

            The only thing, that they can do at the point, is to “limit” the number of voting places, as they did in the primary in AZ. That happened in Miami, the last go round. There were lines of African-Americans in the Miami area, way after voting was supposed to be closed.

          • Bruno

            We can be sure they’ll try that and any other little thing they can think of. Florida prez elections are always close.

          • IamM

            Maybe the GOP will have to fight for Texas?

          • Todd20036

            I say we given them Texas. In exchange, Texit

          • That_Looks_Delicious

            There’s always going to be a certain percentage who vote Republican no matter what, but Trump is on track to get an all-time low of the Hispanic vote (14% in a recent poll). Surprisingly, the record low was not Romney’s 27%. It was the 21% that Bob Dole got in ’96.

          • Bryan

            But that part might have also had something to do with the fact that Bob Dole couldn’t stop talking about Bob Dole Bob Dolling long enough to get Bob Dole elected to the office.

      • DH Esq

        Florida is everything for Trump. If Trump loses Florida, he has to win ALL REMAINING NINE SWING STATES in order to win, a practically impossible feat.

        If Kaine helps in Florida then we’re set.

      • Miji

        Does he help in NC as well or is there any VA/NC rivalry to hamper that that I’m unaware of? Plus, seems that NC should be getting sick of Rebublican leadership with the trans bathroom ridiculousness taking a hit on their economy.

    • DutchBoy74

      just because you can speak Spanish doesn’t mean your values are any good.

      • UiscePreston

        Yeah, ask Francisco Franco – who’s still dead.

      • MattM

        Are you still around?

        • sherman

          He isn’t on my feed anymore.

          • DutchB0y74

            Enjoy your safe space echo chamber.

        • DutchBoy74

          Don’t worry – I wouldn’t fuck you anyways. Go ask the Log Cabin bitch in the corner.

          • MattM

            Just as personable as ever.

          • Bryan

            The username is….quite apt innit.

    • kirtanloorii

      This is good indeed.

    • Cackalaquiano

      I think he’s also well respected among both African Americans and even among a lot of moderate Republicans in the state. But how much does that really matter when folks are casting their vote for or against Hillary? I dunno.
      For sure he’s not a bad pick – he won’t do the damage Palin did.

  • j.martindale

    Not thrilled. Not disgusted. I think he is experienced enough not to lose it for her. That helps.

  • DaddyRay

    At least I feel like this is a candidate that Hillary picked and wasn’t forced to take

  • Michael Rush

    Didn’t change my vote !

    • Bill_Perdue

      Of course not. “… Kaine also comes with his own baggage, including his anti-abortion stance which earned him the ire of many pro-choice activists in Virginia when he was Governor. Considering the shameless droning from Clinton and her backers about being “the first woman president,” it would certainly raise serious questions – and open up an obvious angle of attack for Trump – were she to sport her feminism and focus on women’s reproductive rights by selecting a man with an anti-abortion record.” http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/22/clintons-vice-president-a-match-made-on-wall-street/

      • Michael Rush

        has everyone found the new Disqus feature BLOCK USER ?

        ( they don’t have one called block troll asshole yet )

        Bill Perdue is here to tell you not to vote for
        anyone if you’re not familiar with his work

        https://s32.postimg.org/62vk2ku6d/bill_perdue_you_asshole.jpg

        • kevway

          THAT is so funny. I was just thinking a little while ago. “I wonder what happened to that idiot that would post all that crap”…oh yeah, I blocked him.

      • Six Pins Delores

        snort/. That will not be heard here. Your know that right. Hope all is going well for you

        • Bill_Perdue

          I’m doing well and looking forward to a period when Ds and Rs become inflamed by thier delusions of importance and pretend that what they think or how they vote is relevant to anything.
          Their fulminations are entertaining but silly as the the real work will be done by those who build unions and fight for $15 and they refuse to do that.
          How are you?

          • Six Pins Delores

            Things are pretty darned good Bill. Thanks

  • bob

    I’m looking forward to a vp debate ! Will pence have a headset with trump telling him what to say ? I think Kaine will crush him !

    • Adam King

      I think Kaine will force Pence to reveal himself, and Pence will crush himself. “Please proceed.” Or, Pence will follow Trump’s lead, and whine his way out of debating at all.

  • JNK

    2 corporatists….this woman really doesn’t give a sh*#t about progressive values. Her Wall Street bosses laid down the law and she followed. She will lose and lose big!

    • j.martindale
      • Jay George

        Pretty sure heshe arrived here with judgement intact.

        • Treant

          And will meander out with judgement unchanged. Why they bother is beyond me…what, I’m going to vote for Trump? I’d crawl over broken glass soaked in vinegar to vote for Hillary.

          • Jay George

            I’ll be sure to keep some moist towelettes handy in case you do. 😉 As far as the hissy fit throwers are concerned, I’m just hiding their comments for now. After a week of the RNC, I’m going to revel in being a democrat for a little while.

          • Treant

            That’s a sound idea. And I’ll call if I need the towelettes, although even the Republican-dominated local government hasn’t made voting that hard.

            Yet.

      • David Milley

        Good read. Thanks!

    • JT

      Uhuh. Troll alert.

      • Adam King

        Dumbass alert. One more such post and I’m blocking his ass.

      • Bill_Perdue

        Another personal attack from someone who has no answer but personal attacks. JT is the perfect hilbot.

        • JT

          That’s hilarious coming from you.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Little troll is upset. Good.

          • JT

            Puddinhead trolling for Drumpf after sobering up from his Nazi convention.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Never exchange personal insults with right wing swine like JT. You just get dirty and JTpiglet likes it.

          • JT

            Drumpf troll, Nazi enabler Puddinhead.

    • Bill_Perdue

      Lose or not, she’s rapidly moving right and may soon surpass Trump.

      • agcons

        She’s not even close to “surpassing Trump”. What a stupid remark, even for you.

        • Bill_Perdue

          Trump supports reinstating Glass-Stegal and the Mother of NAFTA doesn’t. Kaine supports TPP and she changes her position depending on who she’s talking to. She’s to the right of Trump.
          They agree on wars, not passing ENDA, racist support for cops who murder people of color, busting unions and etc. She’s as right wing as Trump.

  • Lazycrockett

    He may not have the flash, but he has the experience, the knowledge and seems to have a good relationship with Hillary all things a President needs.

    • Adam King

      He’s into banking deregulation and similar sleazy shit–but Secretary Clinton is going to be President, and she’ll be making policy.

      • SoCalGal20

        Hopefully Elizabeth Warren will be around to put a stop to any banking nonsense.

        • Lazycrockett

          If we take the senate you can bet that Sherrod and Elizabeth are going to get some prime chair heads.

      • pablo

        “She’ll be making policy.” So banking deregulation and similar sleazy shit it is.

        • Adam King

          Oh, grow up.

  • JoeMyGod

    Aaand here’s your homocon reaction to Kaine’s fluency in Spanish, which will greatly help Hillary.

    • Sam_Handwich

      oh jayzus!

    • JoeMyGod

      You might recall that this is the raving loon who started Teabagistan’s favorite lie that Obama goes to Chicago bathhouses. Right after that he blogged that Chicago’s gay bartenders were poisoning his drinks.

      • JT

        He always has a semen flavored latte afterwards.

        • Lazycrockett

          It’s always his own though.

          • glass

            Oh the visual I suddenly had of him stroking and screaming…”More creamer… MORE creamer… MORE CREAMER! Uuunnngh!”

      • Adam King

        OMG, somebody put alcohol in my drink!

      • SoCalGal20

        OMG I remember that lol

      • Bruno

        I guess he came to that conclusion after waking up in an alley off Halsted with a stained mini-skirt?

      • GayOldLady

        I remember him well! I believe his name is Kevin Dujon. He pretended to be a Democrat and a Hillary supporter, but even before the Democratic Convention in 2007 he was supporting McCain. When McCain selected Palin he wet his pants in joy. He was a ratfucker then, he’s a ratfucker now.

        • Todd20036

          He bitched and moaned that he couldn’t get a date

          • GayOldLady

            Yep, that’s the guy.

          • fuzzybits

            Geez,I wonder why?

        • Joseph Miceli

          Haven’t heard THAT name in awhile! I had hoped he’d fallen off the face of the earth after all the stupidity with “Obama and Rahm secret visits to bathhouses” stuff.

      • Piercedchrlz

        The bartenders failed us……..

      • OMG! It’s Kevin DoucheAnne.

    • Michael Smith

      When was Spain ever important in world history? /s

      • Ben in Oakland

        Lucky for that /s.😈

        • Michael Smith

          Poe’s law and all

      • JohnnyToro

        Sitting here in my apartment in Madrid, laughing – my husband would pin you down for 3 hours and tell you why. I’ve been splitting my time between living here and the US for close to 10 years, and every year spend more and more time here, less in the US. The people, food, culture, weather, lack of weapons, low crime, diversity, welcoming of refugees, I could go on and on. For years, I’ve had more legal rights here as a gay man than in my own country. Yeah, sure there’s problems here as well, pero yo prefiero espana que estados unidos. Will be watching the Dem convention from the poverty-stricken Balearic islands 😉

        • JCF

          Um, did you miss the “/s” at the end of MSmith’s post? That stands for sarcasm.

    • MB

      Snivelling little homocon bitch.
      How do folks in Chicago stomach this idiot ???

      • Miji

        They don’t apparently, hence the paranoia and bitterness.

    • Adam King

      HillButtz: Spanish was spoken in this country before English was. It’s the language of the USA also. Ignorant bigot.

      • Steve Stallone

        You are aware that Spanish is not the language of this land before the Spaniards, right?

        • MB

          How many native American languages were there ? Hundreds and hundreds, nearing almost one thousand Native -American languages with 300 of them being unique and distinct. For example there were 12 distinct tribes in NY, 29 in SC, and 90 in California. The Cherokee Nation was the only Native nation to also have a written language.

          • Misutaa Roboto

            This was true in the US (sort of, if you don’t count Mi’kmaq glyphs, which were only standardized by an outsider).

            Cherokee didn’t have a written language before the Europeans came. Sequoyah made up the syllabary for his language when he learned of the concept of writing (which is why so many of the characters vaguely resemble Latin letters).

            The only true pre-Columbian American writing systems were from Central America.

        • Adam King

          If only he spoke Algonquin, we might have a fighting chance.

    • WebSlinger

      I refuse to be distracted by this rant on a Twitter feed which is becoming the homing pigeon (of some not all) of the feeble minded with no impulse control

    • Baby Dave

      Nominating someone who actually is Hispanic rather than a whiter than white guy who just speaks Spanish would’ve shown some spine.

      This is…. kinda lame.

      • Adam King

        If that was his only qualification. He’s also the popular ex-governor of a swing state, ex-Democratic Party chairman, and a long-term friend of Clinton and somebody in whom she has confidence. Not too lame, actually.

        • Baby Dave

          Cronyism isn’t lame?

          What?

          • Adam King

            No, everybody should only ever associate with people they don’t know, obviously.

          • Baby Dave

            Well, it would be a tad less corrupt than only advancing the careers of your friends, rather than the most qualified candidate for the job

          • JohnnyToro

            That you believe the innumerable variables that come into play in selecting a VP choice make any person either the “most qualified” or “obvious” choice, is uh, revealing . . .

          • Baby Dave

            You have no Disqus acct, Toro

          • cleos_mom

            By that standard she could have chosen her running mate via a national lottery.

    • MB

      Yeah, only 418 MILLION people speak Spanish in the Western Hemisphere.
      The Spanish colonized North, Central, and South America.
      SLACKERS.
      /s

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Current Ethnologue count has total worldwide Spanish first language speakers at 427 million, so speakers in the western hemisphere would be probably somewhere around 380 million. But that of course doesn’t take into account the millions of people who speak Spanish as a second language. Your number may not be far off.

    • Sandra Oh

      The more these racists speak, the better for us in November. #ImwithHerandTim

    • AJ Drew

      ah, Kevin “permanently raised eyebrow” Dujan. Yes, he’s always the pinnacle of political discourse. /s

    • Paula

      He needs to come to El Paso. I will take him down to Segundo Barrio and let him say that to people.

      • agcons

        Please post a video.

    • Cuberly

      How does that tweet even make sense. Sorry, had a bout of searching for relevancy out of something completely worthless.

    • JCF

      Who’s that in the Tweet avatar picture? There’s NO WAY that’s Kevin Dujon (who looked like he’d been hit upside the head w/ the fugly stick).

  • DutchBoy74

    Another display of shitty judgment.

    At least it doesn’t take out a progressive from their voting position. ugh

  • JNK

    The Obama coalition will not show up for this woman. She really does not care.

    • Lazycrockett

      Yeah since she did so bad with the black community during the primary. SMGDHO

      • Treant

        O noes! Her votes in Washington, DC could be in real danger, then!

        🙂

      • SoCalGal20

        Only 90% of black voters are supporting her.

        Edit: In some swing state polls Drumpf is polling at 0% among blacks…

    • Chris

      OH please, we get it, you have a bizarre unfounded Hillary hatred. Repeating yourself doesn’t make you look any more reasonable.

    • Adam King

      Damn, what a stupid comment. Have you been living in a cellar with no wifi? Do you get that she’s forming a coalition, not pandering to a little extremist base like your buddy?

  • Cara Rosenberg

    He’s so boring. But I’ll still take him.

  • Treant

    As expected. Nobody votes for VP, so some of you who are whining piteously should probably just admit you’re voting for Trump. Or Stein. Same thing.

    • bob

      In trumps case , the vp will be VERY important ! We’ll be stuck with pence when he gets bored and walks away !

      • SoCalGal20

        We already know that ALL policy will be turned over to Pence, while Drumpf is busy making America great again! 🙄

      • Treant

        Yep, but I now calculate a less than 20% chance that Trump is President; Kaine should help a bit (eh, call it a point or so) in Florida and in this cycle, that’s probably enough for 270 EVs before 10 PM*.

        Basically, if Hillary wins VA and FL, go to bed. It’s over.

        * Not really, as the west coast has to weigh in, but no estimate puts WA, OR, or CA on the table for Trump.

        • Bruno

          FL alone will get her the election, even if she lost VA. But VA alone wouldn’t quite do it.

          • Treant

            I want both. In fact, I also want NC. And I wouldn’t mind a dessert of AZ, either.

          • Bruno

            I would howl with laughter if tRump lost Arizona. Racist state is racist.

  • Sam_Handwich

    i guess the inner game here is that Kaine’s replacement will be picked by Gov McAuliffe …and he could pick himself

  • WebSlinger

    If Hillary Clinton chooses Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia as her running mate, as betting markets and journalists suspect, then in some ways, it’s a dull story. Kaine has traditional credentials, having served as Virginia’s governor before joining the U.S. Senate. He’s young enough, at 58, that he could run for president himself in 2020 or 2024. He’s not especially liberal, but he’s no Blue Dog Democrat, either. He’s a white guy, although he speaks good Spanish. If Mike Pence is a “generic Republican,” then Kaine is a “generic Democrat.”

    The difference is that Kaine comes from a swing state, whereas Donald Trump would likely lose Pence’s home state, Indiana, only in a national landslide. If you’re going to pick someone from a swing state, is Virginia among the better options? And how much difference does the vice presidential nominee really make in his or her home state?

    READ MORE:

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tim-kaine-probably-wouldnt-win-clinton-the-election/

    • PiperPine

      I think its the thrust of her campaign at this point “I am the candidate who will continue the things you like in the Obama administration and I am the calm steady predictable hand on the keel in a scary world.”

    • David L. Caster

      Even if you did fold the two ends of the political spectrum onto each other about the middle, there is no way that Pence and Kaine would correspond. Pence is approximately a christofascist, not even a generic Republican, even as bad as Republicans have become in the last 3 decades.

  • AtticusP

    I’m not thrilled, but she could have selected a mop for Veep, and I would still vote that ticket over Trump/Pence.

    • SoCalGal20

      My feelings exactly.

    • Treant

      I am kind of thrilled. I don’t want loud. I don’t want flashy. I don’t want maverick. That’s not the VP’s (very limited) job and those people are better ensconced elsewhere, like the Senate.

      I want quiet, thoughtful, sober, and steady. Kaine fits that bill.

      • WebSlinger

        VERY WELL STATED…no rebel with a cause for me either…

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      • Carl

        Give me a wonk. I’ll get my entertainment elsewhere. Now let’s win this thing.

      • Bruno

        Personally I’d prefer Booker or Warren, but I’m so glad that we won’t be seeing “Pocahontas this” “shrill Warren” that for 3 months.

        • Treant

          Or the underhanded commentary from the RWNJ crew about another black man.

          • Bruno

            Booker is easily one of the most likable guys she could have chosen. But after 8 years of Obama, that would’ve been pretty ugly from that gang of cretins.

          • Treant

            On the up side, they wouldn’t’ve dared impeach her. Look what gets to step into her spot, serve out the rest of her term, and then run for office!

          • Bruno

            Right. Dog forbid we let an actual person untouched by greed and petty partisanship ascend the throne.

          • DaveW

            Clearly you don know his corrupt history

          • Bruno

            Booker’s corrupt history?

          • Exatron

            [Citation needed]

          • cleos_mom

            I’ve been convinced for awhile that Joe Biden is one of the reasons the wingnuts haven’t tried assassination. Yet.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Booker gives me pause. I like the guy. He seems like a dream of a public servant, living his life to serve others in ways that are personal and at personal expense. Then I read on the lib sites that he’s tainted by Koch money and he’s a friend of the banks.
            I don’t know what to believe about him, so I tend to support him while keeping a very close eye on him. Kind of like I do with Hillary.

          • Bruno

            I’m very cautious about “lib sites.” It would depend which ones you’re referring to. Some links would be helpful. But, in a nutshell, US Uncut and sites like that I don’t believe. I’d believe Daily Kos and Slate.

          • Joseph Miceli

            I ran across some of the rumors in diaries on Daily Kos, which have their own perils. I am like you, I take it with a grain of salt…but I don’t forget and I look for patterns. We’ll see.

          • Bruno

            True, some of the diaries are not as grounded as others.

        • Whatever happened to Julian Castro?

        • UrsusArctos

          Oh yes we will. She (Warren) is needs to stay under Herr Drumpf’s thin skin. The more insane his Twittersorrms get, the better for Democrats in general.
          I’m relieved she’s staying in the senate. She’s probably one of the best persons suited for that job I have seen in a long time. She uses the (somewhat broken) process to either get shit done OR make GOPers pay for not getting shit done.

    • 5moreminutes*imtired

      Hillary/Mop 2016 “Lets clean up America”

      • Misutaa Roboto

        Haha! Win.

      • zhera

        Still a better love story than Twilight Trumppence.

        • Trumppence is worthless, for the birds! but not for *feeding* them, just to line their cages . . .

        • JT
          • Mister Don

            What do you think sent all those closeted conventioneers onto Craigslist in Cleveland?

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      • YES. Because Trump is washed up!

      • Robincho

        Now there’s a ticket I could get a handle on!…

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      • Cyril

        Yep Mop has way more personality than kaine

      • karmanot

        Hillary/Mop 2016 “let’s keep Whole Foods in Business.”

    • Reality.Bites

      Crap. I spent a good five seconds trying to figure out what MOP was an acronym for and if I’d have to shun you for saying it.

      • How About:
        Moldy Old Politician? (Nope, that would be any number of older Republican white males)
        Mavericky Odorous Puttana? (Nope, that would be Caribou Barbie, or Carly Fiorina)
        Man of People? (okay. He may not be perfect but he’s her choice.)

        • Igby

          In my old business it was “Method of Payment”. But that seems more like a GOP thing.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      A mop, a mop handle, dirty mop water– it’s all the same. Better than Trump.

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        But i like clinton. Ive got no problenm voting for her.
        My only wish is that we were finishing up 8 years of a hillary presidency and barack obama was our nominee right now.
        Somehow in my brain its how it shouldve worked out.
        And obama would flip the house too in this election

      • cleos_mom

        I see it as voting for Clinton.

        People who have a problem with that are welcome to stick their problem somewhere very dark and smelly.

    • Hillary had better stay healthy and not get killed. I would hate to have Kaine appointing any SCOTUS judges.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Based on his ratings while in Congress he might not do too badly with that.

        Also, any appointment is a gamble because you’re never 100% sure how a justice will decide. Kennedy was a Reagan nominee and Souter was a Bush nominee.

        • And Earl Warren was appointed by Eisenhower. Point taken. (Anyway, I am sort of starting to warm up to Citizen Kaine).

          • Robert Readytorumble Petersen

            And Earl Warren wasn’t a conservative. He was a Republican and was loved by Reps and Dems alike. That’s why Nixon had Eisenhower appoint him. Nixon knew if Warren ran for president, there was no way he could beat Warren.

        • guest

          And both have said that they have not moved left, but the Court has moved right.

          And especially with Kennedy, he has gone right far, far more than he has voted left.

      • sword

        Then most if not all the Justices would be Catholic. (Kaine was taught by Jesuits).

        • LackofFaithify

          Yeah. We all know how much Joe Biden has worked to undo gay marriage and rights.

        • agcons

          Pierre Trudeau was educated by the Jesuits; he did nothing that could be construed as moving religion into public policy. Quite the opposite, in fact. By itself, being educated by the Jesuits is not a danger signal.

        • Joseph Miceli

          The Jebbies are actually not bad. They teach you HOW to think and their standards are high.
          People need to remember that not everything about the church was bad (says the atheist!) …just MOST of it.

        • That was a part of my concern – we have It was bad enough with Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito, Kennedy, and even Sotomayor (but thankfully the last one and a half are not bad). It seems, though that he has successfully resolved the conflicts between his personal faith (opposed to women’s reproductive rights) and the duty to support and defend the Constitution. I am still somewhat concerned as to how much restriction he would be willing to put up with on women’s reproductive rights if he were the occupant of the Oval office – how much “compromise” would he be willing to make with Republicans?

      • FAEN

        Why?

        • I have to walk that back. The more I read about him, the less uncomfortable I get. It’s kind of like getting a funny-looking new car when you thought you were buying the previous year’s model (I did that once – it was funny-looking taillights, but within a week I was okay with them.)

          • ZRAinSWVA

            Kaine’s a very reasonable and reasoned person, and he was a good Governor for Virginia.

          • FAEN

            Understood.

    • Just A Tranny

      Heyseus, she could choose satan and it would be better than drumpf….

    • William

      I am fond of my Libman mop.

    • The_Wretched

      I’m so tired of the comparing down.

      • cleos_mom

        At least some of it is rationalizing for giving the nod to a sanspenis candidate.

    • Six Pins Delores

      “que sera sera”

    • Robincho

      We’ve got Kaine, they’ve got Kain’t. Sounds good to me…

  • WebSlinger

    Doubling down on experience: Like his would-be boss, Kaine has both executive and legislative experience. Elected to the Senate in 2012, the 58-year-old had been governor of Virginia from 2006 to 2010. At the helm of the Old Dominion, he oversaw a state whose unemployment rate didn’t spike as much the country’s did overall during the Great Recession. It’s a fair question whether that performance can be credited to Kaine’s stewardship or the fact that the federal government kept employment levels high in the region. Consider: Neighboring Maryland’s unemployment rate also was better than the national rate (though worse than Virginia’s) while Kaine was governor.

    Él habla español: Kaine is fluent in Spanish, having served with the Jesuit Volunteer Corps in Honduras. In fact, he discussed an immigration bill on the floor of the U.S. Senate entirely in Spanish, making him the first senator ever to do so. To be fair, Clinton already is handily leading Trump among Hispanic voters — with an incredible 69-point margin, per one poll — but a key will be getting Latinos to the polls on Election Day.

    Free trader: Kaine’s no Trump — or Bernie Sanders, for that matter — on trade. He’s been a proponent of the North American Free Trade Agreement and voted in support of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the Asian trade pact that Clinton helped negotiate as secretary of state but has repudiated as a presidential candidate.

    Fans on Wall Street: By industry, Kaine has received the third highest proportion of his political donations from the “securities and investment” sector, per data from OpenSecrets, running behind only lawyers and the retired. Kaine has taken some heat from liberal groups for supporting looser rules on regional and community banks. One such regional bank, Capital One COF, -1.41% , is based in McLean, Va.

    Gift recipient: Kaine accepted about $160,000 in gifts while governor, and lieutenant governor, of Virginia. That’s legal under Virginia laws, and Kaine’s campaign has emphasized that he’s gone beyond disclosure requirements. One gift came from generic-drug maker Teva Pharmaceuticals TEVA, +0.18% , which gave him $12,000 to cover expenses at the Democratic Governors Association meeting in 2006.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/5-things-to-know-about-tim-kaine-2016-07-22

  • DaddyRay

    But I thought it was going to be Bill – the RWNJ said so

    • TrollopeReader

      he’s spending the summer learning how to bake cookies ….

      • Tor

        I think he’s selecting drapes for the White House.

        • MB

          He’s designing The First Man cave.

          • TrollopeReader

            So the bunker will be a little less staid ….

        • UrsusArctos

          Interviewing interns? *fleeing before beatings commence*

      • Adam King

        He’s hunting desperately for some fucks to give.

      • Stubenville

        He’s picking the new china.

  • Chris

    It’s a safe choice, and considering the options, safe may be good. A ticket with two women, or a ticket with Hillary and Booker both present challenges. Rarely does a VP create a win, but they can lose it for you (Palin), and this choice doesn’t create a loss. He is competent, articulate, and will do his job. Warren gets to keep her seat and keep attacking, And the others can look for cabinet posts later on.

    • Oh’behr

      That’s an excellent way of looking at it. Many others will get cabinet posts. Yay !

  • Stages of Grief

    All you who so disappointed: Tim Kaine will be just like Joe Biden except he speaks Spanish fluently and he will help carry a swing state. Clinton shows that she knows how to play politics…

    • WebSlinger

      Hillary continually shows that she has the ability to think…

      • and even her wrong choices aren’t really that bad.

        • JCF

          Except the decision in ’09 to have a private email server. I get why she did it (how could she NOT want some privacy after the fustercluckery of Bill—and Ken Starr—combined to make her the object of pity and scorn?). But I still want to go back in time 7 years to shake some sense into her…

          • The_Wretched

            Think back, the Republicans were hacking official governmental servers non-stop and had parallel servers run out of the RNC in almost certain violation of law. That Hillary thought it prudent to have some protection against that is not a bad idea at the time. The email ‘scandal’ is as thin as Benghazi.

            We still don’t have open records act emails from Bush the Lesser’s time.

          • JCF

            Again, very understandable. But still a mistake.

          • William

            Powell and Rice did it as well, probably other government officials too. It never became an issue until Hillary got caught.

    • CPT_Doom

      I was uninspired by the Biden pick in ’08 too, but it worked out brilliantly. Although we progressives would have liked to see someone more groundbreaking – another woman, the first Hispanic – a lot of the country is not ready for that ticket, so pick a safe white guy who happens to have a lot of government and legislative experience, and you very well could pick up quite a few traditionalists who are appalled by Herr Trumpenfurher.

      • matthewrettenmund

        This is my experience, too. I found Biden to be appallingly boring, hated his Anita Hill days. But he has been amazing.

        • Second.

        • Cboulder

          That, and his loose lips helped move the S.S. Obama out of Port on the issue of same-sex marriage

          • Sporkfighter

            I suspect that was choreographed. Biden could “push” Obama to “reassess” his earlier stand on gay marriage.

            Nothing wrong with a good public relations play.

      • theo775

        Progressives/liberals need to funnel the energy they have for a progressive/liberal vision and use that in local/Congressional races, not the presidency. Clinton will sign liberal policies into law, but the Congressional control has to be there to get it passed in the first place.

    • David From Canada

      Joe Biden was okay, but not great, as a Vice President. He could be a bit of a loose cannon, a wild card, and gave the Republicans too much ammunition to fire back at the Democrats. Tim Kaine is a safer choice: moderate, laid back and speaks fluent Spanish. The more I think about it, the more I like him.

      • Adam King

        Actually Joe Biden was pretty great, IMO.

      • Lazycrockett

        Uncle Joe always there with a smile a and a “big fuckin deal” to brighten the day.

        • Tipsy

          I never tire of The Onion’s version of Biden.

          • Traxley Launderette

            Diamond Joe is legendary.

        • fiizok

          Oh, that smile of his…

        • He was fun in the debate: “That’s a buncha BLARNEY”

      • Do Something Nice

        Biden is an excellent VP and Kaine will never be revered as Joe is.

        • JCF

          Never? That’s a mighty long time. Where do you get your info?

          http://knotsosubtle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/magic8ball.png

          [Seriously, I love Joe (whom, FWIW, I’ve met). But I don’t think it’s wise to make predictions on things as nebulous as feelings (“revered”).]

          • cleos_mom

            And the convention doesn’t even start until Monday! The fainting couch was installed well ahead of time.

      • Craig S

        I have to disagree. Biden has been an outstanding Veep and outspoken advocate for our people. I think he has been a superstar and hope he is remembered well by history.

      • Joseph Miceli

        You do realize that Joe Biden is the exact opposite of Ted Cruz, right? EVERYONE loves him and respects him as much as they despise Ted Cruz. When no one can get a meeting with Mitch McConnell, Joe just has to pick up the phone. Lindsey Graham practically swooned over him. Both sides of the aisle talk about his kindness and integrity. I don’t think you realize just how much the man greased the wheels of the government the last eight years. He was exceptional at what he did. He is going to be a tough act to follow.

      • CottonBlimp

        It just shows how fucked our political discourse is that someone with the absurd agenda to deregulate after Enron, the 2008 crash, and every other bank deregulation debacle, is considered a “moderate” for unswayingly holding to this insane agenda by the media and by the unthinking hordes that just repeat the media’s narratives.

    • Todd

      I am sure they’ve done the Senate math and believe that the Dems can still get a majority back with the November 2016. Well, I hope anyway.

      • unsavedheathen

        Between the ratio of Republican vs Democratically held seats up for election this year(24/10) and the fact the standard bearer of the other party is insane, control of the Senate should be a given for Democrats. In reality the heavily gerrymandered House should be in play given the circumstances.

        The only way this goes south for the Democrats is if an uninspiring candidate runs a truly uninspired general election campaign and turnout is low. I hope this is not the case.

    • guest

      Biden was far better, and was picked, by Obama’s own words, because of the blue collar background (even with Biden not being blue collar for years) and his foreign policy experience.

      Hillary wanted foreign policy, and where is Kaine on that?

      A poster here about a month ago, when it was clear Bernie would not win, said after a bruizing primary with Bernie, Hillary needed to shore up her base. He expected her to pick a Wall Street CEO, like Jamie Diamond.

      Well, we see he was close with Kaine.

      This is a perfect example of Rahm Emanuel saying to Obama, “where is the base going to go.”

      This is a perfect example of Hillary’s constant caution and Bill’s triangulation of always, 100% always trying to move more to the right thinking it will bring in more voters when it does not. This is a perfect example of why we heard nothing, zip, nothing from HRC or Bill on ARK.’s anti gay bill earlier this year…fear of ever actually leading on an issue. (And yes THE HRC never said a word there either.)

      I know it is a myth that young people will vote in large numbers. 2008 is an example of an exception, but they were sold hope and change. But, the Bernie supporters needed to be excited somewhat.

      This is just another example of how the left hates their base, while the right fears their base.

      I guess the left just needs to continue to find candidates who really will push for change and support them.

      Who actually believed Hillary when she said in the debates she was a liberal…but wanted to win? (As if it cannot be both.)

      And for the record, Obama has governed far more left in a more hateful Republican environment than Bill was left in a less hateful Republican environment.

      To me, it is just more of the constant Hillary caution that we will see for 4 years, hopefully she wins.

      Too bad that it has to be the shiniest of 2 turds, as the Obama vs. Romney “Rap Battles of History” did a few years ago. (Check all of them out, as they are really good.)

      I fail to see how Kaine excites anyone and it does make it harder for us to keep the Senate seat, and thus take over the Senate.

      I wish she had gone for a minority, and young person, but with some foreign policy chops. I wish it had been Warren, but I can see that white older, blue collar, no college education males are going for Trump and she needed help there. Then she should have done a big push, and excited the news cycle for weeks and weeks, and gone with Biden again. That would have pulled in more Obama coalition supporters.

      Lastly, and sorry for the length, but anyone who does not fear Trump is an idiot and a fool. Anyone who does not think Trump has a real chance to win is f*cked in the head. Trump starts out with a majority of righty base voters. He may have a loss of some, but gained many blue collar, white, older, no college educated, mostly men, because they think he “tells it like it is,” their words…believe them or not at your own risk of having that person become President.

      Then Trump is solidly winning on state to state polls for change, and probably will win from the Nixon playbook of “law and order” lies. He will further push fear to win.

      People must understand that Trump can steal the “change” excitement from the left and will do so unless Every Caution Hillary frames Trump and fast.

      We need to get money into PAC’s that fight for progress, and ones that will fight against Trump to help Hillary.

      We need to talk to everyone, like Sarah Silverman and her video in 2008, and push to engage with everyone on the dangers of Trump and the benefits of even Cautious and experienced Hilary.

      We need to make sure we help people get registered and then help them get to the polls in November. We need to help plan this now. Volunteer at Get Out the Vote campaigns everywhere. Work the phones with these people and with your friends on down times.

      If Ever cautious Hillary, and Banster supporting Hillary will not get people excited, then we must get people excited.

      And we must never think for a moment that Trump will not win because of the hate and stupidity we see…many will not see it because they do not follow the news that closely.

      For some who are constantly histrionic about every article in the news and cry about the end of the Republic and capitalize words in every post just to make themselves seem important and their words more important, well, this is something, a possible Trump win, that could deal a lot of damage with Supreme Court picks alone and could harm the Republic for years and years. And the right has no problem overturning settled laws. EX: Voting rights, Citizen’s United, etc.

      This is why the “Boy who cried wolf” and with marriage equality, every (S/b EVERY) post being “over the top”,approach of posting belittles things when this type of event occurs. With everything as is “the sky is falling” fails, it makes it so it is harder to show people the seriousness that must be there when something this big comes along.

      We must now fight and motivate people when we have a snoozer, banster VP candidate.

      We must vote for Hillary, like it or not. And we must continue to find and support the Elizabeth Warrens in the world.

      A Trump Presidency will make the George W. Bush Presidency actually look like one of the top Presidencies in USA history.

      3 reasons liberals will be frustrated if Clinton’s pick for vice president is Tim Kaine
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/22/3-reasons-liberals-will-be-frustrated-if-clintons-pick-for-vice-president-is-tim-kaine/

      Liberals lash out at Tim Kaine over banking letter

      Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/tim-kaine-banking-letter-225953#ixzz4FC8VpH00

      http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/tim-kaine-banking-letter-225953

      Tim Kaine Calls To Deregulate Banks As He Campaigns To Be Clinton’s VP
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tim-kaine-clinton-vp_us_578fc8e3e4b0bdddc4d2c86c

      • sword

        When young people vote into office a majority of Progressives…they will get Progressive laws passed. They tend to stay home on election days and then cry when their favorite candidates loose.
        Unfortunately, I am expecting a similar outcome from the Bernie People, who will be staying home and then blaming HRC when Herr Trump is made President-For-Life.

        • guest

          That is why I stated the myth part of the young vote. As to Bernie, supporters, my comment is a beg and plea to fight for even ever cautious Hillary and her corporatist loving self. She is what we have, and we must fight for more.

          At least Obama caved in early 2009, when the gay money stopped coming in, or was threatened and it was known that it was being phased in. That is what pushed Obama for that 1st White House conference in about April, 2009.

          As to blaming Hillary, I have not done that, other than to point out that she did make a choice that does not excite her own base of the Democratic Party. She did pick someone for Wall Street, but for the most part, republican light candidates do that a lot.

          Lose, not loose. FYI.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Ur stuck on the spelling of lose. Not loose arent you

        • unsavedheathen

          Nominating a pro-banking lobby, pro-TPP, pro-offshore drilling running mate tells me that the far more likely scenario is that Clinton will blow this on her own, running back to the center-right and alienating the left. Then the “blame-Sanders” crowd, that started making noise here and elsewhere before the nomination was even hers, will go into overdrive pushing the theory you just stated.

      • marshlc

        If the US was not such a powerful force in the world, and couldn’t take us all down with it if things go wrong, I’d say that an electorate that needs to have “excitement” to behave sanely deserves the government they get. As it is, we’ll just have to hope that all sane but non voting Americans don’t suffer the natural consequence of their inaction.

        • guest

          True, but we are where we are and those here need to fight.

          In my opinion, this is all about Wall Street money. If it were Warren, or a progressive, even Franklin of MN, then Wall street would have split more money between Hillary and Trump.

          With this choice and Kaine’s stance on deregulating the banks, Wall Street will give far more to Hillary.

          Donald Trump’s nomination is the first time American politics has left me truly afraid
          Updated by Ezra Klein
          on July 22, 2016, 12:03 a.m. ET
          @ezraklein

          http://www.vox.com/2016/7/21/12218136/donald-trump-nomination-afraid

          • The_Wretched

            bingo

        • cleos_mom

          No shit Sherlock. I’m starting to mentally spit on the ground every time I hear/read any variation of the word “excite” in connection with this election. We may have a portion of the electorate very disillusioned this November when they show up at the polls and there are no dildos, blow-up dolls or uppers offered.

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        Ur not convinceable. This is why hillary choose who she picked. She would never be able to get u to support her. So she picked a person she thought was capable.
        U cant please all the people all the time.

        • guest

          I am voting for her, and stated that clearly.

          “This is why Hillary choose (sic) who she picked (Past tense)”

          Um, why? You never stated that. What does “this refer to, as you never stated that.

          Capable of what? Making the base sad and making Wall Street happy?

          And yes, you cannot please all of the people all of the time. I stated my opinion, clearly labeled as such.

          And it is chose, not choose. FYI.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Ha so u correct my grammer and spelling. Thats supposed to make me feel what?
            Donald u dont argue with someone by insulting them

          • guest

            Did not do anything to make you feel anything.

            And in no part of my reply was there anything attacked you like saying you wrote like you were in the 3rd grade. Actually, I never even thought that, and only used an example of what trying to make you feel (assume you mean bad).

            You conveniently ignored both my point about voting for her, and more importantly, ignored my question about what you were even writing.

            Also, your premise is wrong, in that I would never have supported her. Had she gone with Warren, Biden, or Tom Vilsack (swing state, former governor, and a progressive), or even Castro (Though there seems to be something in has past that concerns some), then I would have commented that she was more focused on pumping up the base than in pumping up Wall Street money.

            And there is no way a reasonable person could assume I support Donald from my original post, but that would probably not matter to you..do not be bothered with facts.

            And maybe, just maybe, asking where I stood if you did not understand would be better than complaining or attacking.

            Again, you made a statement with “This” and never defined what “this” was. so either engage honestly, or STFU.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            End of discussion as far as im concerned. Didnt read ur reply

          • unsavedheathen

            That’s the spirit!

          • guest

            Do not really care.

            You seem to have the ability to communicate, like that of a 3rd grader.

          • unsavedheathen

            You can’t rely on logic with some here. When your points start making too much sense, you are accused of being a Republican or a woman-hater or a fool. If you persist in making your case calmly with facts, you are blocked. They love their “kill files”.

          • guest

            Yes, the JMG hive mind, where he has been know to actually protect some who have done far worse, even threats of another.

          • marshlc

            Well, I’d like to correct your grammar and spelling too, and not in order to make you feel anything, just to make your posts more comprehensible. I often find it difficult to figure out what you are trying to say.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Maybe u should read other peoples posts then and skip mine

          • marshlc

            That’s what I usually do. It’s a shame, though, if you have useful or insightful comments that don’t get read because of the immature communication style.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Its alright. I understand i have an immature communication style.
            I’m so glad ur here to correct me when i need it such that i may be read by more people.
            passive aggressive effete SOB

          • marshlc

            Kiss kiss.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            Kiss my butt.
            I was having a conversation with another person. I made a legitimate response to that person. Instead of following up with an answer/retort, this individual decides the best approach would be to attack me on misspelled words and incorrect tense usage.
            Somehow you insinuated yourself into a discussion that did not involve you.
            Simply to show me that you are somehow superior, i suppose.
            Ive read thru ur posts and u like correcting people’s writing.
            Funny i dont remember JMG being a place for pulitzer prize winning writers to discuss the english language.
            And as i said before, if my errors in writing bother you, skip my comments.

          • guest

            You are a liar!!!!!

            I answered every point you made, if you were able to read and comprehend, or if you can, if you had not decided to ignore reality.

            Not only did I answer every point, I asked several times a simple question, that you ignored at least 2 times. You referred to something you never defined.

            And I mentioned a “(sic)” part of your comment, a rather large issue in trying to determine what the hell you were referring to.

            And you twist it to play the victim. Grow the f*ck up.

            And yes, if you spent any time here, you would see gentle comments correcting things all of the time…not even as gentle as I did to you.

            But I am sure you will go play the victim some more; they lying victim, but still the victim.

          • guest

            Immature? Wow, stunningly stupid comment, from the guy who writes like a 3rd grader. Now go study past tense and present tense.

          • guest

            Someone tell you incorrectly that you do not set the rules?

          • guest

            Ever consider that after reading your crap, it is a far better choice for you to run, not walk, but run to a community college for a reading comprehension course? And my correction, was an FYI, only….what, you want a BJ when noting what regulars do here all of the time? I guess you have to be only a certain few who can do whatever they wish.

            No be gone idiot.

      • CharlestonDave

        Yours is a thoughtful post, Guest (although I wish you’d use a Disqus name to attach an identity to your words, as I’d like to read more of what you write). I particularly like your point that progressives need to vote for Hillary while continuing to work for more progressive candidates.

        I think Hillary’s pick shows she plays to win, not to make symbolic gestures. The strategy feels data-driven to me. Kaine makes it harder for Trump to win in Florida, which is almost essential to his electoral math. Kaine helps protect Virginia, which was historically red until Obama. Catholic Kaine can debate the faith-on-his-sleeve evangelical Catholic Pence toe-to-toe and not get the religion card played on him. Kaine makes Hillary seem more acceptable to white men, a demographic where she’s weak. Kaine is also upbeat and likable (harmonica player!) and seems far more cheery and Reaganesque than Trump or Pence given their Nixonian fear speeches at the convention. And Kaine helps divert Wall Street and banking money away from Trump and the Republicans.

        Hillary made a safe, smart choice that will help her to win.

        • JohnnyToro

          Nor am I thrilled, but agree 100% a data driven, smart choice, albeit boring. Not sure HRC needs to excite the base — if they’re not already excited to vote against the vulgar talking yam that is Herr Trump, really, a pick of Warren, Brown, et al would’ve got them to the polls? Don’t believe it statistically significant. Warren is a wonderful surrogate, better placed in the Senate, and Booker, et al are the Dems progressive bench, develop them. I think the primaries did already move HRC to the left, and the growing support for more progressive positions, supported exponentially more as voters skew younger, has not gone unnoticed. More than anything, the Clintons are aware of that, and it will drive policy making. What we do need however, is a def. flip of Senate and substantial House gains. Lets get on with it.

        • guest

          Says the non registered poster, trying to tell others what to do. Well, you have the right to your opinion.

          Hillary always is cautious, and that is the problem. She is never a bold leader.

      • cleos_mom

        Bill isn’t running.

        • guest

          Correct, but he influences his wife in style, and that has been proven in her career,

          Watch and you will see caution and triangulation at every step, really protecting their belief that they have to be in bed with Wall Street.

          • cleos_mom

            Yes, I do need to correct that:

            Bill isn’t running troll.

    • J Ascher

      Julio Castro, or someone like him, would have turned out the youth vote – something the Democrats need. With a Hispanic VP candidate, the Republicans would be hard-pressed not to engage in anti-immigrant, anti-brown skin rhetoric.

      As is, we get a boring, middle of the road, candidate.

      • Maybe Castro wasnt into it?

        • J Ascher

          Even if he weren’t, another qualified Hispanic candidate would have been more energizing than Kaine is.

        • LackofFaithify

          Neither of the clones could ever get past the background digging. From super shady political backgrounds in San Antonio. Started with their parents and pretty much rolls on along.

          • MaryOGrady

            Shady? I don’t think so. Could you please elaborate?

          • LackofFaithify

            Everything from backroom deals for school board elections to city council. I fully grant that there is nothing I can reference as proof other than a San Antonio state rep was my first employer (he is a hispanic democrat as well) and the stories were sorted and we never had anything to do with Castro’s office. Also no one was amused when they “switched places” for a day and the non-state rep castro played speaker of the house. No one laughed.

      • FAEN

        Castro was accused of violating The Hatch Act and even though it was much ado about nothing picking him could have been an issue and it showed a lack of experience.

        • cleos_mom

          And she probably knows better than to count on the “youth vote”, considering how unreliable it is in terms of actually showing up on election day.

  • JoeMyGod

    • Sam_Handwich

      OMG! where do we donate?

    • DH Esq

      Sign me up!

    • WebSlinger

      This is AWESOME information…

    • KnownDonorDad

      NRA 7%? I’m voting for Jill Stein! /sarcasm

      • JoeMyGod

        I’m just trying to figure out how he got THAT much.

        • KnownDonorDad

          And I’ll take this opportunity to thank you, Joe, for all the work you do providing us with news and a forum to discuss it.

          • Adam King

            I can’t imagine why Joe isn’t the VP nominee, but I’ll adjust.

          • Todd20036

            He’s too sexy to be taken seriously

    • Greymaklin

      I like those statistics… I have to say the only way I’d vote for someone with high marks from AFP, the Eagle Forum, the FRC or NRA is if we had been shipped-wrecked on some forgotten island and we needed decide how to eat first.

    • I am sure he is better than I think he is. I know he is better than Pence. In this case that is all I need to know, If Trump had picked Michael Steele, Hillary would have had to do better . . .

    • The_Wretched

      Then why the hell is he so in love with banking deregulation?

  • WebSlinger

    GET SOME INFORMATION ON THE ISSUES here…a little dated but it is a start to build up one’s knowledge of this man…

    http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Tim_Kaine.htm

  • Sam_Handwich

    As for all the Warren speculation – i’m glad that she will remain one of my senators and also Hillary’s front line on twitter against the Tangerine Menace

    • Bruno

      She’ll be so much more valuable to this country in the Senate, although hopefully she’ll do a lot more campaigning to have Hillary’s back.

    • MikeInLas

      Tangerine Menace = #BigOrangeTurd

    • The_Wretched

      Here’s hoping Warren’s tireless efforts on Hillary’s part will keep Kaine’s love for wallstreet unrequited.

  • Yawn. She went safe. Going for Ohio. Smart move. But, still. I was hoping for a WOW moment.

    I was hoping to hear just in advance by email or text, that were reported as ways she might announce to her donors before this campaign stop. No big deal. I still think she is the best person to lead this nation for the next 4-8 years.

    • GayOldLady

      The WOW moment comes next Thursday night when the first woman in the 240 year history of this country becomes the Official Nominee of a Major Political Party.

      • It’s going to be awesome.

      • Adam King

        And then the Super WOW moment when she’s elected President. And then the Super-Duper WOWZA moment when she’s inaugurated. I’m stocking up on smelling salts.

        • GayOldLady

          I know!!! I’m sure I will be in a puddle of tears on Thursday Night, the night she wins the Presidency and on Inauguration day. Like Marriage Equality, I never thought I’d live to see this. When I was a young girl, I never knew a woman doctor, lawyer, judge, police officer, dentist, engineer, Governor. There were few women in the U.S. Congress. The only thing a woman could be when I graduated HS was a nurse, a school teacher, a secretary, a clerk, a waitress or a worker in a textile factory. Only 2 of those jobs paid a living wage, nurse and teacher. This means something to a lot of women, not only because we’re looking at the possibility of the first woman POTUS, but because we’re looking at the most qualified POTUS candidate in my lifetime and that candidate is also a woman.

          • Homo Erectus

            You don’t need a penis to be president.

    • Adam King

      Ohio?

  • Tracertong332

    And thus weak pick coupled with the wikileaks info that will keep away Bernie supporters, Trump has just just won the election. This pick would have been a good pick back in the last century, but that logic won’t cut it anymore.

    • DH Esq

      Yawn.

      • Treant

        Snore. Eh? Uh? Were you saying something? Oh, you yawned. ‘K.

        Snore.

    • TampaDink

      Your opposition is duly noted….and it can be referenced in your long history of commenting here.

      • Homo Erectus

        Can you say “troll”? Sure you can.

        • TampaDink

          Thank you, Mr. Rogers! ;-p

    • KnownDonorDad

      I suspect a certain percentage of Bernie or Busters wouldn’t have voted for her if she had named Bernie as her VP.

      • Adam King

        If she had personally crowned him Emperor of the Solar System, they’d whine until somebody cleaned her fingerprints off the crown.

      • Reality.Bites

        They wouldn’t have voted for Bernie if he had named Jill Stein as his VP!

    • Adam King

      Ohs nose! We’s doomed, I tells ya, dooooomed!!

    • MB

      It’s a CONSPIRACY !!11!#!!#!1!!#!!1!
      Tim Kaine is a plant for the Illuminati. I read it on the internet so it must be true. Butthurt Bernie Bros need to grow the fuck up and vote for a candidate that they may not like but who will nominate the next several Supreme Court Justices.
      Trump winning ? What tha’ hell are YOU smoking ??

      • Tracertong332

        Admittedly my post was over the top, but my overall point still stands. This pick won’t bring disaffected Bernie voters back into the fold, and doesn’t generate the necessary excitement to allow Clinton to get enough media attention to counter Trump’s media advantage.

        Trump is the second ” first presidential candidate of the 21st century”. After Obama. He can always be certain that the media and public is primarily paying attention to him rather than anyone else. In order to overcome that Clinton shouldn’t be playing this safe, but all her moves thus far have been traditional ones, and my concern is that her campaign won’t be able to handle Trump given how unorthodox his campaign is.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Has the RWNJ-O-Sphere started yelling yet about Hillary being a heartless bitch for announcing on the same day as the Munich shooting and not waiting to announce like the psychopath Trump did.

    • Elsewhere1010

      If they do it only needs to be pointed out that the real reason Trump delayed the decision is that he was trying to change his choice of VP.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        The RWNJ hive mind does not absorb facts.

        • TampaDink

          True. It would never occur to those people that our news cycle might go months before there is a day without a tragic story in the headlines.

        • Elsewhere1010

          Oh, the hive mind loves facts. But the hive mind has its own set of incontrovertible facts (gathered in toto from Cloud Cuckoo Land) that correspond with no known events on Earth. Someday we hope they will rejoin the reality-based community, but it’s not likely.

    • Adam King

      I’m trying to imagine how they could get more negative and nasty.

    • Grimes

      Unfortunately in today’s world, there may never been a perfect time to announce – perfect being when there is no mass shooting in the US for that matter.

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    Good guy. I approve this message. 🙂

  • TK

    He was almost Obama’s pick. I’m okay with this…another thing off the list. Now on to Philly.

    • JCF

      …and on to the White House! (and Naval Observatory, respectively)

  • DaddyRay

    With all of the drama and craziness on the GOP side it actually is comforting to be non-contraversal

  • Baby Dave

    Well.. that was uninspiring.

  • TuuxKabin
    • JCF

      Aw, sleepy head!

      • TuuxKabin

        uh huh. thanks. that was funny, yesterday, somebody replied JFC and you (and I) mis-read it as JCF. I’ve seen minor errors like that escalate and enjoyed your reply. After reading the many comments and citations for our future (please all powers that be, ie., us voters) VP, I’m revved up for the campaign to start in earnest. See you at Joe’s Place, later.

  • Bryan

    “Eagle Forum: 0%”
    Jeez, I’d hope so.

  • TampaDink

    Kinda funny, the “Citizen Kane” of the 21st century at the top of one slate & Tim Kaine as Hillary’s #2. The Bernie or bust folks are bound to be pissed off but I think that there are more actual voters to be gained by Hillary choosing a centrist.

    • DaddyRay

      Hillary should appoint Bernie Secretary of Education

      • Steverino

        Or Labor.

      • Adam King

        Leave him in the Senate where he can do some good.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      I am hoping that the country has not gone collectively insane and that most Independents and even a good number of Republicans will realize that voting for Trump, by commission or omission, is national suicide.

      • TampaDink

        I’m counting on that same outcome.
        I’d say that I’m also preparing for the worst but I don’t think that there is much one can do to prepare for nuclear winter due to someone feeling disrespected on social media.

  • metta8

    Hours Before Hillary Clinton’s VP Decision, Likely Pick Tim Kaine Praises the TPP
    https://theintercept.com/2016/07/21/hours-before-hillary-clintons-vp-decision-likely-pick-tim-kaine-praises-the-tpp/

    Tim Kaine Calls To Deregulate Banks As He Campaigns To Be Clinton’s VP
    Who needs consumer protections when we have all these job creators?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tim-kaine-clinton-vp_us_578fc8e3e4b0bdddc4d2c86c

    • TK

      “Kaine, who spoke to The Intercept after an event at a Northern Virginia mosque, praised the agreement as an improvement of the status quo, but maintained that he had not yet decided how to vote on final approval of the agreement.”

      Praised? LOL

  • DaddyRay

    So when is Hillary planning to hold a press conference, not say a word about his qualifications and then walk off the stage after finally getting around to the introduction?

  • Guest

    Tim Kaine? Oh how exciting!

    Said nobody……….

    • Get Real

      If you need to be excited and entertained all of the time, then you have issues…

    • WebSlinger

      Elections are NOT a social experiment (see Britain) to be entertained by and distracted by and ultimately to clog up one’s social media accounts….educate yourself, spread the word and encourage others…it is a time for ACTION to propel a “blue” candidate forward…

    • KnownDonorDad

      As opposed to Mike Pence, who is terrifying.

    • Adam King

      Who needs exciting? We need competent. This isn’t entertainment.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Well, it is on the Republican side. For the GOP it’s like “The Real Duck Dynasty Housewives of the Jersey Shore Apprentice Survivor Boo Boo.”

        • Adam King

          Best summary of the Trump campaign ever. You should be a pundit.

  • j.martindale

    He may not be in the forefront on gay issues. Didn’t come onboard to gay marriage until late in the game–not unlike a bunch of other Dems. We will need to prod him into being as good for gays as Hillary.

    In 2006, Kaine campaigned against an amendment to the Virginia State Constitution to bar same-sex marriage,[141] and in March 2013, Kaine announced his support of same-sex marriage,[142]
    saying “I believe all people, regardless of sexual orientation, should
    be guaranteed the full rights to the legal benefits and responsibilities
    of marriage under the Constitution.”[143]

    In the Senate, Kaine has co-sponsored the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which would bar employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.[144]

    Kaine’s position on LGBT adoption
    has changed over time. In 2005, Kaine said that “No couples in Virginia
    can adopt other than a married couple — that’s the right policy.”[145]
    In 2011, however, Kaine shifted his position, saying “if a judge thinks
    adoption by an unmarried couple—gay or straight—meets that standard,
    then the couple should be allowed to complete the adoption.”[146]
    In 2012, he stated that “There should be a license that would entitle a
    committed couple to the same rights as a married couple.”[147]

    • KnownDonorDad

      I suspect the presence of Pence, with his highly unpopular anti-LGBT views, as his opponent on the other ticket will solidify Kaine’s pro-LGBT stances.

      • Adam King

        Kaine can rub Pence’s face in the dirt with it, then let him up for air, then push his head back down and rub his face in the dirt some more.

  • kmcdevitt

    Well, that’s disappointing. But maybe the country could use a little dull, after all the “excitement” from the other side.

  • Michael Abbett

    Tim Kaine might be boring but he’s smart. He will make Pence look like a toddler when they debate.

    • PLAINTOM

      Harvard Law

    • Carl

      If there is a debate. Buy I’d love to see Pence take that beating.

    • JCF

      A TODDLER could make Pence look like toddler!

  • TKW

    Damn, I wanted Vin Diesel. 🙁

  • Daniel Leyva

    Clinton – Kaine! I like that.

  • MikeBx2

    Sounds like a winner to me! Clinton/Kaine 2016

    • Rebecca Gardner

      The RWNJs will hate him because he doesn’t hate blacks, women, gays, Muslims, immigrants, and the planet.

      • MikeBx2

        Which makes me like him even more.

        • Rebecca Gardner

          Me too!!! 😀

      • Homo Erectus

        The RWNJs will hate him because jeebus.

      • UrsusArctos

        Duh. That’s a given. Dontcha know he has become a possessed Golem and serves only the Clintons now? He probably procures the fetuses/infants for the Democratic human sacrifice rituals. That’s what I heard. /snark

        • Bryan

          Shhh, we Swiftians don’t discuss the dark rituals we learned from the gospel according to John amongst people not in Fight Club.

    • Lazycrockett

      Oh Friday evening on the south lawn hearing Bill on the Sax and Tim on the Harmonica. Can’t wait.

      • Adam King

        Invest in earplugs, now!

    • Four out of five good things ain’t bad. 😉

      • Homo Erectus

        But it beats the accordion.

      • Cackalaquiano

        If he pulls out that damn harmonica on stage, they might lose my vote altogether!

  • I was wrong. I thought she would wait until tomorrow because of the Munich shootings and I thought she would go with Tom Perez. Kaine is a bad choice IMO because he is partial to Big Banks and feel they have been treated badly by this administration. I’m perplexed as to why she would pick him other than he is a white male and she is seeking the white male vote.

    • Lazycrockett

      VP doesn’t set the agenda.

  • Sam_Handwich

    Hillary/Handwich sounds a lot better, but i guess not to our dear reptilian overlords.

    • DaddyRay

      Handwich/Jalapeño or bust

      • Treant

        “The Candidates You Can Get Between!”

    • coram nobis

      Serve it with wry and Swiss and it’ll hit the spot.

    • sherman

      I think that mustard incident ruined any chance you had. She had to discard that pantsuit.

      • Daveed_WOW

        Are you talking about the time that Obama asked for Grey Poupon on his hamburger and the Righties called him unAmerican for using a foreign mustard? Grey Poupon is made by French Communists, apparently.

    • 2amor

      Agreed… However, candidate Handwich, what did you do with candidate Jalapeño?

    • Michael Rush

      I saw this leaving candidate Handwich’s apartment at 5:45 this morning

      https://s32.postimg.org/mesj3kip1/hand.png

      • UrsusArctos

        It’s ok. They used protection (a glove)

        • Bryan

          I’m reminded of that Robot Chicken SpongeBob clip “You’re PREGNANT?! But you said you had a sponge in…..OH, you meant me =D”

  • JCF

    Love those ratings!

    Well, as I said on the previous Hillary thread, I totally GET why she needed to go this direction.

    In short: BEAT DRUMPF!!! Beat him and the Rethugs like a friggin’ DRUM!!!

    http://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/drum.JPG

    • TKW

      Beat him like a limp wiener.

      • JCF

        Think of how much better “Clinton/Kaine” sounds than “Trump/Pence”. ;-/

      • Homo Erectus

        To paraphrase: Beat him like an orange-headed stepchild.

  • DutchBoy74

    Corrupt neoliberal war hawk that supports the TPP and voted for fast track of it.
    So there’s a blow to the “Hillary also is against the TPP” line.
    WIKI
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Kaine

    OPEN SECRETS
    http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cycle=2016&cid=N00033177&type=C

    BALLOTOPEDIA
    https://ballotpedia.org/Tim_Kaine

    Budget – Foreign Relations – Armed Services

    MONEY FOR WAR

    Pro TPP – kiss your jobs goodbye.

    Here is your New American Century candidate.

  • Steven Leahy

    Seems like a very drab, uninspiring choice, but it’s not like it changes the options. I am disappointed but oh well, guess we’ll see.

  • ECarpenter

    She keeps making decisions that position her to lose more easily to Trump. We needed some charisma and simplicity in the VP, since she is low charisma and gets overly complex in her political speeches.

    This is beginning to look a lot like the Gore and Kerry campaigns. I’ll send money and do what I can, but we’re doomed.

  • Marti386

    Sure. Because Tim Kaine is really gonna bring in the disenfranchised Bernie supporters huh, Hillary? 0_o

    • ECarpenter

      We’re doomed.

    • Bruno

      She’d rather have centrists. Disenfranchised Bernie voters are a dwindling number.

      • Treant

        And those who are still disenfranchised would have rejected any VP pick (probably even Bernie himself). They wafted in for Bernie, they’ll waft right back to Stein.

        • Adam King

          Or back to sucking their thumbs in mommy’s basement.

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          And yet Stein is not doing well in the polls. Not at all.

          • Treant

            That’s because their numbers are negligible, as are the rest of Stein’s voters.

          • Adam King

            Loony-tunes lady impresses no one.

          • Bruno

            That’s because she’s a mean-spirited piece of work. https://bitchmedia.org/article/its-not-okay-green-party-call-hillary-bad-mom

          • Reality.Bites

            The Bernie Bros were always a tiny, if extremely vocal, portion of Bernie’s support. The overwhelming majority of his supporters were long-time Democrats who both wish for a more liberal country, recognize they must live within the limitations of the political system and realities of the one they’re in – as do all citizens of all democratic countries.

        • Adam King

          They’ll be too busy playing Pokémon to bother getting to the polls anyway.

          • Treant

            Giggle. I did see that a very enterprising young lady set up her lemonade stand at a Poke-stop, or whatever they call the spawn points.

            So, it’s an ill wind and all that.

        • sherman

          People who are disenfranchised can’t vote, so really are irrelevant.

      • Marti386

        I would have preferred someone more liberal to balance the ticket out.

        • Bruno

          That’s understandable, in many ways I would too. But I’d rather she try to win the election than please me.

          • DrRobY

            WE HAVE A WINNER HERE!!!!!!

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          He’s boring, but I’m okay with it because I think the Party as a whole is more progressive than it used to be. I’m happier now with the Democratic party than at any other time since I’ve been voting and I have no qualms at all about voting a straight Democratic ticket. Such was not always the case.

    • Adam King

      If they don’t have enough sense by now to vote for her anyway, they’re a lost cause. Also, fuck ’em.

      • Marti386

        Yeah, I just hope that come election day they don’t fuck US.

        • Adam King

          They’re as unimportant as the PUMAs. Remember them? How they had no effect on the race whatsoever?

          • Treant

            Who?

            In 2008, I was a Clinton leaner, but fine with Obama. When the time came, I was thrilled with Obama’s candidacy and happily voted for him–and had no time or patience with those who held out for Hillary. Same here.

          • Marti386

            Yeah, but I don’t think it was this close when Obama was running at this time. Nate Silver has Hillary’s chance of wining at only 58.7% (versus Trump’s 41.3%) Just a day ago she was 61% and she’s been dropping steadily. She can’t afford to lose anyone.

            God, the words “President Trump” sends shivers down my spine.

          • Bruno

            McCain/Palin was actually leading just about every national poll after the GOP convention in 2008.

          • Marti386

            Not Nate Silver’s, who is the only one I take seriously.

          • Bruno

            Nate Silver wasn’t a poll, he was a poll interpreter. He can be wrong, too. Like Maine’s marriage equality measure in 2009.

          • Marti386

            Yeah, but he was spot on last election, and the one before.

          • Gene

            read Sabatos Crystal ball marti…he is GOOD! And his record, outstanding (and he is, I am told, a professional friend of Silvers). he is at the U of VA and I think you will like what you read there…and his predictive map, and comments today about the VP pic, and how it makes VA MORE safely blue, freeing her to defend other places

          • Marti386

            I’ve never heard of Sabato. I’ll check him out.

          • Adam King

            Nate Silver doesn’t have a poll, he averages them. And yes, McCain was briefly leading Obama after the Republican convention in Silver’s average of polls.

          • Marti386

            I’m not saying Trump is beating Hillary. Just that he’s closer than he ought to be.

            Seriously, this guy is such a clusterfvck, she should be leading by 100%.

          • 2amor

            Oh my, just the words “President Trump” makes me throw up, and not just in the back of my throat…. full on toilet hugging.

          • SoCalGal20

            Have more polls come out today? I don’t get why she keeps dropping at fivethirtyeight every damn day.

          • Bruno

            I think Silver is panicking, like just about everyone else sane in this country, that tRump is even competitive at all.

          • Adam King

            The Democratic convention hasn’t happened yet, you know.

          • TJay229

            Nate has also said something to the effect of “Polls go up and down, nothing is to really be taken seriously till the debates start..” (paraphrased)

          • S. Parilla

            As we get closer to election day those numbers will inevitably narrow further, thanks to our two-party system and a highly polarized society.

          • Homo Erectus

            Wait til next week.

    • Steven Leahy

      Unfortunately, his stance on the TPP is a BIG deal to lots Bernie supporters. I know people here won’t like me saying that, but its true. Unfortunately, Trump’s stance on trade does appeal to manyBernie supporters. I agree, was a mistake. Hope this doesn’t come back to bite her.

      • SoCalGal20

        If Bernie supporters vote for Drumpf because he’s against the TPP than they’re not really Bernie supporters and never were.

        • We’ll be needing your council on these so-called Scotsmen.

          • MB

            “counsel”

          • Council of learned elders.

          • Adam King

            Learned Scottish elders.

          • AYYYEEEE!

    • danolgb

      If Bernie couldn’t seem to be able to bring in the “disenfranchised Bernie supporters”, maybe they’re not going to come over no matter what.

      • Bruno

        In most cases, absolutely “no matter what.” I know a lot of these types of people and they’re the same ones who voted for Nader in 2000 and 2004, McKinney in 2008, and Stein in 2012. They’re just too far to the left to ever consider anyone even remotely centrist.

      • SoCalGal20

        All you have to do is go into Bernie’s twitter mentions to see them. They claim to be Bernie supporters and Bernie says we need to do everything we can to not elect Trump and they’re all like, “LOL nah. I can’t vote for her.”

        • In other words, they probably wouldn’t have even gotten up off their asses to vote for Sanders come Election Day.

          • SoCalGal20

            Probably not.

    • She blew a perfectly good chance to keep a minority bloc in the public eye with her VP. The VP wouldn’t have had much power, but everyone knows who they are.

    • Carl

      Not really a thing. You’ll notice most of them seem to have moved on or chilled out latey. Silly season has come to an end.

      • JCF

        Thank FSM!

    • sherman

      disenfranchise
      : to prevent (a person or group of people) from having the right to vote

      This is a binary election – Clinton vs Trump

      Unless a Bernie supporter is an ex-felon in Virginia or any of the other hundreds of thousands of people who Republicons are preventing from voting, they are not disenfranchised. If they choose not to vote, that’s entirely their decision. No one is preventing them. They are not victims.

    • Cuberly

      Rewatch Trump’s speech from last night and get back to me about your disappointment.

  • Lazycrockett

    Kaine has already changed his position on TPP and will no longer support it.

    • DaddyRay

      Good!

    • Steven Leahy

      when did he do that?

      • Lazycrockett

        bout 4 minutes ago according to MSNBC.

        • Steven Leahy

          LOL

        • Bruno

          See? She’s got him whipped into shape off the bat.

    • Oh’behr

      Umm, hate to ask, yet Hillary is against it too? Correct?

      • JCF

        Yes, she announced against (in its final form) many months ago.

  • Lazycrockett

    Kaine’ Mom and Obama’s mom both were raised in the small town of El Dorado Kansas.

    • Reality.Bites

      She’s probably the one who placed the fake birth notice in the Honolulu Advertiser. /s

      • Adam King

        She’s the one who operated the time machine that let them plant the birth certificate and plagiarize Melanoma’s speech.

        • Oh’behr

          Yay! Someone else calls her Melanoma. Lol.

          • Adam King

            I’m sure that was just an inadvertent slip of the keyboard.

    • SoCalGal20

      Wow! Did they know each other? Sometimes it’s a very small world.

    • Adam King

      But were they both named Martha?

  • WebSlinger

    Elections are NOT a social experiment (see Britain and the Brexit vote) to be entertained by and distracted by and ultimately to clog up one’s social media accounts.

    Educate yourself on the issues that affect your life as well as others that you care about i.e. “the human race not just in America”, your income and social well being; spread the word to friends and family in a manner that is enlightening and eye-opening.

    Lastly encourage others to register to vote as early as possible (before October) because many states have confusing and oppressive laws on the books…make a pact to take someone with you when you vote.

    • SoCalGal20

      You can do phonebanking from your house these days or host little fundraising events. And if you live in or near a swing state look out for GOTV events in those states. Many states like CA have bus groups that visit neighboring swing states to help get people registered. And on the day of the election, you can help people get to the polls to vote.

      • WebSlinger

        AWESOME POST!!!

        Share it again and again!!!

  • Ernest Endevor

    Oh look, professionals. And also grown ups and such as.

  • Lazycrockett

    Before all the progressives start having heat strokes, remember the VP does as little or as much as the President wants. His views has no bearing on Hillary’s agenda.

    • Treant

      I very much doubt that Hills delegates much authority to her VP. It’s just not her style. She’ll give the marching orders, Kaine will follow them.

    • Oh’behr

      +1. I’m not having a heat stroke other than it’s frigging hot in the Midwest because of the heat dome and the corn sweat. Darn hybrid corn raising the dew points.

  • DrRobY

    With Virginia slightly tipping in her favor, this may make it more solid.

  • DaddyRay

    Tim Kaine swift boating by the GOP in 5, 4, 3…

    • Treant

      That is the advantage of boring, there’s not very much to swift boat.

      • DaddyRay

        Never stopped the GOP from just making shit up

        • Treant

          On the up side, as Hillary’s running-mate, he now benefits from her Cloak of Invulnerability to this kind of shit. Nobody expect anything else but that the RWNJs will lie about Hillary and anybody connected with her.

    • coram nobis

      The Evangelicals will probably turn to Genesis say that it’s proof the Dem ticket is satanic: “Kaine” slew Abel in the Garden of Eden. After the theory about somebody dedicating a book to Lucifer and going to school with Hillary, it’s going to be out there.

      • JCF

        “Kaine” slew Abel in the Garden of Eden.

        Not quite. Their ‘rents, Adam & Eve, got driven out of the Garden, remember? In the Garden, you could just pluck your food. Outside, you had to work for it (hence, Cain the farmer and Abel the shepherd). Yahweh, definitely NOT a vegan, preferred Abel’s offered lamb for dinner (to Cain’s offered grain). Cain, jealous, murders Abel, badabing, badaboom…

        • Octavio

          Well, lamb is delicious.

          • cleos_mom

            As is bacon but it took the biblical god awhile to warm up to that.

          • Octavio

            More rumaki please.

        • cleos_mom

          To ancient people Abel, who had flocks but did not practice agriculture, might have been a symbol of the ever-beloved “good old days” that, conveniently, no one could remember. Sort of like people love to look back on “a more innocent time” that always ended about 5 years before they were old enough to notice much.

          Cain was the bad guy who ushered in the drudgery of farming with Bronze Age technology — a horrible thought, to be sure.

  • Greymaklin

    The Huff Post has a piece on the Progressive Case for Tim Kaine, it’s a good read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/krystal-ball/the-progressive-case-for-_2_b_10773840.html

    • Oh’behr

      Gosh, some of comments really hate Krystal. Sad that people think that Kaine is almost Trump-lite. He’s pro-business. Whine !

      The far left eats itself again.

      I’m glad I can be on the progressive left and yet see a greater reality; preventing Trump from being POTUS. Or worse, preventing Pence from being one step away from being POTUS (like Palin was in 2008). Same with some other years since I started voting in 1976. Sometimes one has to vote Democrat to stop a greater evil. Especially when the alternatives (Greens, others) aren’t so great at a national level. Why didn’t Bernie form his own party, then?

      Some people have too high of principles and won’t vote even for US Congress people in mid-term elections in off year, non-Presidential elections which goads me. Or vote for judges, mayor, city, county, school board people, or soil/water conservation board positions in other elections. Yet in my suburban area several years ago, I found tea party people even running for soil/water conservation district positions. Same with park board positions as they wanted to eliminate parks. Sigh.

      You have to read the materials picked up from the library and shift through the mailers or the local press. It’s work when there isn’t national attention on candidates. Yet shudder that some people would do all that work. Yet conservative Christians, odd zany crazy people and tea party people run for many elected positions.

      Yet some progressives will whine about all Democrats being DINOs and yet won’t get out to get even bother to get out to vote for a Green or other progressive candidate for a local seat or bother to run themselves. Such Hypocrites!

      I’m pissed about some of these people who have a purity test that is so unrealistic that no one could pass it. I think if they had held him up to the light before he ran; even Bernie wouldn’t have passed their purity test. Yet now some of them have the sadz and they’re not going to vote.
      Such superficial fools. Yet every four years, another new generation of them whine about DINOs. Sad. Very Sad.
      That’s my 2 cent rant from a 59 year old.

      • Treant

        Reprobate! Corporatist! Right Winger!

        There you go. 🙂

  • Lawerence Collins

    Tim Kain. Totally an Establishment pick. She’s just lost all the true liberal progressive voters.

    • DaddyRay

      As if Liberal Progressives can afford to sit this election out

      • Lawerence Collins

        He’s for the TPP. As is Hillary. She’s been lying and saying she’s against it. She’s gone as far as saying she helped draft it.

        • DaddyRay

          So sitting this election out to teach her a lesson is going to make any progress towards liberal progressive causes?

          • Gene

            yesss…because Trump will make all the progressive dreams come true. (snark)

            most progressives are not stupid..ergo, most will vote for Clinton.

            PS Lawrence…I will be in a meeting monday with a man who says he wants to open a factory in GA and wants my firm to help finance it…can you come and use your amazing skill of knowing when people are lying to see if he is on the up and up? THANKS!
            /s

          • Lawerence Collins

            No can do. I’ve got another round of chemotherapy then. I get why you’re all angry. I’m furious at this whole election cycle. I’d given up and was going to refuse further treatment. This country’s Fcuked. I’m fighting because my husband wants me to.

          • Gene

            first and foremost, be well. I had wondered how you are doing. I would say, “dont give up”, but…you know, and you alone, whether its the time for that. my husband faced it about two years ago….only you can walk in those shoes. you husband is lucky to be loved so much that you would fight for a life you were ready to let go of, for him
            be well…you will be in my thoughts.

            all that said, you CANNOT read other peoples minds, and you dont know she is lying about her stance. people change. she read the tea leaves, she changed. its what good politicians do. this is a good VP pick. go read Sabato;s Crystal ball…you will enjoy it

            good luck monday.
            peace

          • Lawerence Collins

            Thank you for very much. My voice is the last thing I feel I have left. We’re living on my disability and it sucks. Many here don’t believe me. I was S huge supporter of hers till just this time last year. She claims she’ll be Obama 2.0. Obama’s let the GOP cut food stamps twice. He was ready to cut Social Security. That terrifies me. We’re drowning as it is. Now Obama has changed his tune. But it’s all talk. I’m tired.

          • Gene

            and…I remember that. and, no, I dont think anyone here who knows your whole story does not believe you.

            And…you’re scared..shitless. one of my roles at MY job is to be the canary in the coal mine, and the bullshit detector. a consumate bullshitter myself (I am not deluded) I can smell it at 3 parts per billion. you are not lying. you are in pain, frightened, and at wits end..exasperated that better things have not happened, and frustrated with the rest of us for not seeing it. I may be wrong, but…I dont think so…well?

            I can offer you this. Clinton is not Sanders. or Stein, or anyone but her. she is a politician and a survivor. no “rigged” system put her where she is..her canny mind and skills did. is she an Angel? hell no. But, I once, with no cameras present, spent three hours on a roof in E KY working on a habitat project. the cameras were gone. the photo op, done. in the can. she stayed. she worked. she talked, and she listened. She GIVES a shit. she has dedicated her life to service. She is the BEST option you realistically have, and…….if your time on this world is short, would you rather go out voting for someone who has a real, REAL shot at making things at least somewhat better…and allievating pain for millions down the road as we work for a more perfect union…..OR….vote for a far more ideal candidate, who cannot win, and whose votes, had they gone to Clinton, would have prevented a freak or nature with a spray tan from fucking us for generations after you are…not here? (SCOTUS, among other things).

            even in your weakened state, you have the power to do the MOST good..and know you did so. the decision is yours. whatever you decide…no…I dont think you are not telling the truth, and, I have…as I hope my words show, thought often of your illness, and what you are enduring. just remember…please, dont let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

            Peace

          • Lawerence Collins

            Thank you very much. I’m not without a descent chance. I’m just tired. I have Evans Syndrome. I was also just diagnosed with a lymphoma in my left armpit. I also suffer from depression. It’s not made any of this easy at all.
            I’m done after this trying to educate people who don’t want to listen. I don’t include you in this totally.
            I’m more afraid of living in with the way the worlds headed.
            Be well.

          • Lazycrockett

            Seeing how quickly you always devolve on any issue you were never going to vote for the Dems anyway.

          • Lawerence Collins

            Not true at all. Until now I’ve always vote straight democratic ticket. Always voting for the most progressive.

          • Lawerence Collins

            I was giving her till November to change my mind. Now this. Wake up!

          • Bruno

            How about giving up on the November thing and just go fuck off now? 🙂

          • Lawerence Collins

            I’m sort you don’t care enough about this country to really fight for it. Go ahead live on your knees. Grovel for crumbs.

          • DaddyRay

            Sorry for your butthurt

          • Lawerence Collins

            More like your kind are butt hurt that people aren’t just being good little sheeple. Off to the slaughterhouse

          • MB

            I can appreciate your disappointment/frustration. But being ANGRY about a Presidential/VP nomination ? Is the Clinton/Kaine ticket going to severely harm or ruin your life ?
            Lawerence, life is much too short to invest this much negative energy into. Those of us who have survived with HIV/AIDS diagnoses, and who have lost our beloved can attest to that.
            Perhaps you might devote more of your energies to healing. Good luck with your treatment, BTW.

          • DutchBoy74

            There are other options besides sitting out.

            It is shameful and despicable that the Democratic party has used the cover of Trump to push forth such a conservative and corrupt pair.

          • Gene

            a vote for anyone but clinton is a vote for trump.
            plain and simple…a painful reality perhaps…but, reality it is, none the less

          • Bill_Perdue

            Democrats are right centrists, there’s nothing liberal or progressive left in them.

        • Adam King

          You should form a party and run for president yourself, since you’re so smart!

        • SoCalGal20

          Hillary changed her stance on TPP. And according to what I read elsewhere on this thread MSNBC is saying that Kaine no longer supports it either. I’m sure in your worldview that just makes them flipfloppers and doesn’t count but for the rest of us, candidates are allowed to change their positions on things.

      • Treant

        Sure they will, then, if Trump wins, they’ll tell you that you can’t blame their votes (or lack of) on them.

        If they lose, it proves once again that they aren’t necessary and the centrist-left continues to dominate.

        Really, either way, if they’re playing chess, they just fucked up the game.

        • Lawerence Collins

          Sorry facts aren’t on your side. If you’ve ever wondered how republicans vote against their own best interests. Now you know. Your kind are doing the exact same thing

          • Treant

            Citation required. Also, citation that Clinton’s Presidency will be identical to Trump’s.

          • danolgb

            Actually, you are the one willing to vote against your best interest out of a temper tantrum and refusal to see that Hillary really is progressive.

          • Lawerence Collins

            Please educate me. Tell me her progressive policies.
            I’ve no energy for tantrums. Have you heard about the lawsuit against the DNC and that crook Debbie Wasserman Schultz?! This whole primary seasons been a repulsive, establishment scam!
            I’m 53. I remember what being a true Democrat was about. Not the fraud it’s become.

          • danolgb

            Yes, I’ve heard about the lawsuit. The existence of a lawsuit doesn’t mean it has any merit. Much like the other time the Berned Out Busters tried to sue, this will also be thrown out of court. The courts are loathe to get involved in primary politics because the parties are private organizations and get to set their own rules.
            538, who deals in data makes as good as a case as any on Hillary’s liberal record.
            http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/

          • Treant

            Actually, forget it. You’ve lied in this thread and I’ve read smarter commentary from Charlie Sheen. You are now the third person I’ve blocked because I’ve never seen you add anything to a conversation, putting you on roughly the same rhetorical level as Bill Purdue. Enjoy your tantrum, I don’t have to watch you spit and pound floors any longer.

          • sherman

            Yes, he’s now on the blocked list. The election is between Clinton and Trump. If you advocate for someone else, you’re really irrelevant to the conversation.

          • TJay229

            (these Bitter Bernie Bitches, STILL crying he didn’t get chosen…..)

          • Lawerence Collins

            No tears here. Just the cold hard truth and facts. The ones you’re just ignoring

          • Adam King

            If you hold your breath till you turn blue, I bet that’d show them!

          • TJay229

            .

          • Lawerence Collins

            I fight for every single breath I’m taking now. It’s one of the reasons I’m using this avenue for my voice. I hope you never face any serious life altering illnesses.
            That or try to live on disability and Medicare. Establishment leaders like Obama and Clinton care first about their donors.

          • TJay229

            Go sit your disability riddled ass back in the corner and continue to pout. You don’t vote for Hillary, fine. I’d definitely laugh at you when Trump cuts your Food Stamps even more. You bitter miserable bitch.

          • Lawerence Collins

            I don’t get food stamps honey. My my… And you’re calling me bitter?!
            Lemons and alum have nothing on you.
            I’m not pouting!! I’m fucking fighting for my life. You’re clearly unaware what Obama was willing to do to the poor. Hillary claims she’ll be him 2.0. For your sake I hope you’re never diagnosed with a life changing illness.

          • TJay229
          • SoCalGal20

            Let me call the waaaaaaambulance for you.

        • doug van boven

          actually no they didn’t fuck up here and Nader didn’t bring us Bush. Buck up here and recognize who it is that didn’t do the math, unless you choose the role of victim.

        • sherman

          It’s a binary election – Clinton/Kaine vs Trump/Pence. You vote for one of those choices, or you’re simply irrelevant. He’s just on the irrelevant list.

          If they are too stupid to realize that the Democratic ticket is light years better than the Republicons, there is nothing we can say to educate them. They can be whiny little bitches, in a privileged position where the result of the election won’t harm them nearly as much as it will some in society.

          There are narcissists like this in every election. They can bitch about everything they don’t like about Obama, but if we had not elected him in 2008 there would not be gays openly in the military now, there would be no marriage equality, 20 million people would not have health insurance, and on and on.

          • Treant

            This. I voted for Kerry. I didn’t particularly care for him…but neutral was far better than GW Bush, who I detested (and still do).

          • Bruno

            And I actually voted for Jill Stein in 2012 (before I knew the real her). I wouldn’t have if I lived in Florida. People need to vote with their heads and not with their hearts.

          • Treant

            I forgive you since you clearly evolved over the last four years. Unlike many, I don’t expect you to be ideologically identical to me since birth.

            (Cough) I kind of voted for George Bush, Senior. Sorry about that, it just sort of slipped out, but it was my very last Republican vote ever.

          • Bruno

            Well that drags my Jill Stein admission through the dust, don’t it? 🙂

          • Treant

            Yep. My mom voted for Reagan. She’s voting for Clinton. 🙂

          • Bruno

            My parents loved Reagan and any Bush and just about any Republican. Dad not voting for tRump, mom probably voting for Hillz.

          • Homo Erectus

            I voted for Nixon because he promised to bring my friends and classmates home from Viet Nam. Whatever else you can say about him, he significantly reduced the troop numbers in his first 100 days. Jimmy Carter was my first Democrat. We all live and learn.

          • Ditto. My mother, too.

          • JCF

            I voted for Nader in 1996 (in then safely blue Pennsylvania) similarly.

          • Adam King

            When I was a lad, we had a mandatory high school course called “Civics,” where we learned how government was structured. We were also taught, at home and in school, that there was this thing called “civic duty”–the responsibilities associated with self-government that are the flip side of civil rights. Now they don’t teach Civics, and young people seem to have never heard of civic duty. Also, they should get off my lawn. We wore onions on our belts, too.

    • Ross

      I am a true liberal progressive voter.

      I am not lost.

      • Lawerence Collins

        And your definition of progressive is?

        • Adam King

          A liberal who is considerably smarter than you.

      • SoCalGal20

        Thank you, Ross.

      • billbear1961

        Same here.

        I understand the reasons for this choice: where he’s from (his history as a governor and senator from VA), his fluency in Spanish, his military and foreign policy experience.

        I don’t like his calls for deregulating the banks (although I read they aren’t sweeping) or his hesitations about abortion rights (which he nevertheless supports); but he’ll be VP, not POTUS.

        Trump MUST be DEFEATED.

      • billbear1961

        Has this boosted your confidence, Ross?

        I know, and FULLY understand why, you were shaken by those three people who thought Hillary was SATAN until you showed them otherwise.

        • Ross

          1) My confidence that Hillary will win has not been shaken. I state this based on demographics, and the Electoral College.

          2) The three people? They rather unsettled my sense of wellbeing more than anything. And, I am rather impressed that you remembered the story. Of course, I am often impressed by you…

    • Do Something Nice

      Yes, because voting for Trump is an option.

    • stevenj

      And you were expecting Clinton to pick who?

    • Do Something Nice

      OK, Clinton is not a progressive. But she is 1,000 times better than Trump. Vote for Clinton to prevent Trump from taking office.

      • Lawerence Collins

        Good luck with that.

      • Bruno

        I absolutely think of Hillary Clinton as a progressive. She’s just not a pie-in-the-sky empty promises kind of progressive. She’s a tried-to-get-healthcare-through-a-nasty-gauntlet-in-1994-and-failed kind of progressive. An imperfect one, no doubt, and not as far to the left on the scale. But certainly a progressive.

        • Do Something Nice

          Well, I disagree and progressiveness is a subjective call. But what troubles me is that the intent of my post should have been clear: To persuade someone who is dragging their feet on Clinton to vote for her. Your argumentative post undermines that effort.

          Oh, and fuck you for the ‘pie in the sky’ comment. You should change your name to Yes We Can’t.

          • Bruno

            I’m entitled to my opinion about progressive politics as you’re entitled to yours. My post was not “argumentative,” though it was judgmental. Which I have a right to be, as do you. But if you’re going to curse at me, I’ll curse right back at you. Fuck you. Fuck you hard with a 10 foot pole, asshole.

          • Do Something Nice

            Then we agree – you are a judgemental prick!

          • JCF

            People, you BOTH agree on voting for Clinton: focus, FOCUS! [In-fighting is NOT funny!]

    • Adam King

      I am a liberal progressive voter, and she hasn’t lost me, you jackass.

    • Greymaklin

      As a progressive, I can speak and vote for myself thank you.

    • Homo Erectus

      This is why we can’t have nice things….

    • I am a liberal progressive voter who gladly will wear the additional labels of democratic socialist and hippie. Clinton has not lost my vote, nor have the rest of the Democrats up and down the ticket.

      I refuse to sit out any election or do anything which makes Trump’s fascist takeover of my country’s government more likely, just because the Democratic nominees aren’t as purely progressive as I’d like.

      Eight years of Bush — caused in part by “true liberal progressives” throwing their votes away on a pointless protest — and what did we get? A nation-changing terrorist attack, two wars engineered to be open-ended, a drowned city, a government I became ashamed of due to their deliberate war crimes, trillion dollar deficits, three recessions including the biggest one since the Great Depression, and a massive regression on civil and human rights.

      Eight years of Obama and what did we get? An economic recovery, health insurance which cut the uninsured rate in half, both of the major wars mostly wound down, an end to torture, the deficit cut massively, significant advances in LGBT rights (including my marriage), two really great progressive SCOTUS justices, and a Democratic president who has advanced civil rights in general to a degree we hadn’t seen since Johnson.

      Progressive ‘purity tests’ are how we ended up with Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes. I’m done with that shit.

      • rextrek1

        You HIT that Nail on the Head…….I said the same thing – you just said it Much Better…..

      • Adam King

        So well put.

    • RainbowPhoenix

      You don’t speak for me.

  • DaddyRay

    So when is the House going to call him to speak before Congress for some fake scandal?

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      Promptly, of course.

    • Oh’behr

      Kainegazi. Will only cost the taxpayers a few hundred million before November. If they keep calling him in, again, ‘n again, ‘n again, etc.

  • TrollopeReader

    At this moment, Trump is probably thinking “Who the F is Tim Kaine?” Is he someone I should know about? What? He’s an elected person, from Where? HowmI s’possed to know who is who??”

    • coram nobis

      Fair enough. He probably asked the very same questions about Mike Pence a week ago.

      • Lazycrockett

        Followed by “But I dont want to.”

    • Lazycrockett

      Naw hes probably thinking bout Ivanka’s ass.

      • Homo Erectus

        and how he’d like to get his tiny hands all over it.

        • Adam King

          Or up in it.

          • JCF

            Enough w/ this vomit-inducing tangent!

    • Adam King

      I doubt that his thoughts are that coherent.

  • doug van boven

    Not too astute…deregulate Wall Street further…get used to the rump!

    • Bruno

      If we end up having to get used to the rump, it’ll be because of idiots like you spreading lies about Clinton & Kaine all over the place losing them the election.

      • doug van boven

        say what you will but, in the final analyses it is all about your candidate’s strategy, isn’t it?

        • Bruno

          Nope. The candidate’s strategy is only part of the equation. What everyone says and does in a society is also part of the equation. Hillary Clinton is a perfectly qualified candidate who is basically trustworthy, if a little overly pragmatic and willing to “play the game.” If that translates into “Wall Street Shillary” to someone like you, and you trumpet those skewed views in the streets (or internet “streets”), you are most definitely a huge part of the problem in the end if she loses.

          • doug van boven

            Keep preaching that blame and shame game, but in the end you know it’s true. Now go out and convince folk of Hillary’s innocence and how she’s been a constant victim and take a poll on how many care. I’ll still vote for Hillary but I’m saying, this is not a swift move on her part if she’s in for the win.

          • Bruno

            She’ll do what she does, and if it fails it fails. But she is not responsible for your lies about her. You are. And I don’t give a shit who knows what I think and I’m not responsible for convincing anyone of their stupidity.

  • bdsmjack

    Ugh.

  • PLAINTOM

    Ex Governor and current Senator of Virginia, Southern swing state. Raised Catholic just like Biden, Catholic Dems uncomfortable with the extreme evangelicals. Son in the military, Trump with suspect military deferment during Vietnam. Harvard Law graduate, Pence will choke in debate. I am quite comfortable with this choice.

    • Ish

      He opposes abortion

      • Bruno

        He has 100% on Planned Parenthood’s scorecard. I suppose the fact that he *personally* opposes abortion while politically favoring is too nuanced for you.

        • Lazycrockett

          Are their people out there that are “Pro Abortion” well besides me and my hatred of children?

          • Bruno

            Probably. But none of them are southern politicians who announce it publicly.

          • cleos_mom

            In a sense, “pro abortion” people are rare because abortion is something done after the fact. Those of us in favor of legal abortion would generally prefer that an unwanted or dangerous pregnancy just not occur in the first place — which would be a reality in a perfect world; good luck w/that. 😉

            At any rate, that caveat is light-years distant from the compulsory pregnancy set’s common belief that “everyone knows abortion is murder — they just won’t admit it.”

      • RyanInIllinois

        From what I’ve read, he personally opposes abortion. Politically, he has a pro-choice record. 100% ratings from Planned Parenthood and NARAL.

      • sherman

        Your opinion is irrelevant (and your statement is wrong as Bruno pointed out).

        The election is between Clinton and Trump, and you’re sitting it out.

        Mosquitoes are less annoying.

      • Stubenville

        Yes he does. And he doesn’t force his opinion on others, so what;s your point?

        In fact what the hell IS your point? On your blog you claim to be a Socialist who thinks voting is useless “In my old age I have become convinced that voting is generally a meaningless enterprise” so why are you here trolling us?

        http://thecahokian.blogspot.com/

        • Ish

          I have as much right to bring my point of view to this blog as you do.

          • LaTisha

            We all have rights to bring our point of view to this blog and my point of view is you’re a morbidly obese, fat pig.

      • LaTisha

        You should start opposing Mrs. Fields and Baskin-Robbins.

        btw – do you still weigh 400 pounds?

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    The election safely now is in our favor. Thank goodness.

    • JCF

      Ahem!

    • cleos_mom

      We’d do better to think of it as being safely in our favor but vote as if Trump were slightly ahead and every vote counts. No matter what the numbers are this fall.

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        Yes, I factored that into my equation. Trump will bring out record numbers–who will vote against him.

  • Blake J Butler
  • Lazycrockett

    Wow the campaign already has Merch up on their website. That is awesome.

  • MikeBx2

    The Clintons are very politically savvy, not to mention get advice from others who are pretty good at winning elections also. The name Obama comes to mind. I trust this choice.

    • Adam King

      “The Clintons” aren’t running for anything. Hillary Clinton is running for President.

      • MikeBx2

        It would be silly, not to mention unreasonable, to think they aren’t discussing these things. Why wouldn’t they?

        • Adam King

          Fine. But they aren’t a unit, and it isn’t the 90s.

          • MikeBx2

            Ok, fair enough. I had a lot of fun in the 90s though. 🙂

          • Adam King

            If only time didn’t pass. I fondly remember the long-gone carefree joys of middle age…

      • Daveed_WOW

        Oh come on. They’ve always operated as a team.

  • Ninja0980

    If progressives don’t like Kaine, then perhaps they should turn out in midterm elections and focus on state races such as governor..
    MA,OH,NJ are just a few places where taking a Democrat out would result in a Republican replacing them in the Senate.
    Kaine is a solid pick and unlike other states, we have a Democratic governor will be picking his replacement in the Senate.
    On to the general election!

    • DaddyRay

      Exactly – elect a strong House & Senate and force Hillary to sign progressive bills that land on her desk.

      • Treant

        I don’t think it’d be much of a “force.”

        • DaddyRay

          Me either – just trying to refocus their anger to something productive

          • Treant

            Good luck with that.

    • Treant

      Y’know, I fail to understand this top-level criticism when she can, realistically, only pick people who are to her advantage, from a swing state or with qualifications that help her win a swing state, and that don’t make the Senate balance worse.

      If people would show up every single fucking election–as I do–these things wouldn’t be a problem.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        It’s a valid concern on her part. If she wins but doesn’t flip the Senate, there’s not a whole lot she can do. Flipping the House is an extreme longshot, although if anybody could make that happen, Trump can. I hope.

        • Treant

          Exactly. Although not having all three branches means nothing will get done, at least it won’t be worse than right now. Gaining the Senate gains us Supreme Court justice votes, and the bastards can’t block those forever.

          The House…we’ll see. I think the election has to be Hillary +9 for that to flip, given gerrymandering. I don’t really see much D advantage there until 2020.

      • IamM

        Also worry about how awful the Democrats supposedly are when the alternative isn’t letting the Republicans potentially set civil rights back a few decades.

      • Circ09

        But you are a Democrat through and through, Treant. Most of the electorate want a reason to go to the polls other than ‘the other team sucks worse’. Democrats need to start articulating why voting FOR Democrats matter. The GOP know how to get out their vote. We need to start listening to voices that can grow our party and get them to the polls.

        • shawnthesheep

          The vast overwhelming majority of voters belong to one of the two major parties and vote accordingly. Elections are one on the margins. Trump is defeating himself with his dangerous delusions. The only thing Clinton needs to do is not fuck this up. Kaine is intelligent, solidly left of center and a popular, seasoned politician from a swing state. He ticks all the boxes.

        • Cackalaquiano

          I agree with this. Hillary needs to spend time talking about what she’s going to do, and frame it in a vision of moving the country forward. Somehow craft a message that can’t be dismissed as “more of the same,” and leave the fear mongering of “your alternative is an unstable maniac” to her surrogates like Warren and others who do a fantastic job of getting that message out.

    • Elsewhere1010

      I would love to see progressives filling seats on city councils, state assemblies, mayors, governors… starting by going for the top job first can be problematic when you need to educate a huge swath of voters in a very short period of time, and not just those who are already supportive.

      It was Ben Franklin who called politics “the art of the possible”.

      • marshlc

        Yes, I think this focus we see on the presidency is seriously misguided.

    • Circ09

      Dang! if only someone hadn’t dismantled that 50 State Strategy. Imagine!

      I’ve said for a long time that after this national election state and local elections will be my singular priority. Hopefully, Hillary will get to make at least 2 Supreme Court picks before the mid-term elections.

  • Akrontru

    Good luck. I hope you guys defeat Trump. Top of my ballot is blank.

    • Adam King

      So you’re a Trump supporter then. Perhaps you should go fuck yourself.

      • TJay229

        ^This +500000^

    • Bruno

      Good luck. You live in this country, too. Hoping without action will get you what you deserve.

    • If you’re not helping, you’re hurting the cause. The only difference is the degree.

    • KnownDonorDad

      A hacked-off nose is just not a good look.

    • billbear1961

      You know the mad DARKNESS that is Trump–he’s a bloody NIGHTMARE!

      Please help to DEFEAT him!!

    • RainbowPhoenix

      So you’re voting for Trump, then.

    • Akrontru

      Y’all are very good at persuasion. See if you can lose us down-ballot too.

  • Ish

    Congratulations, Hillary voters, you’ve just been dragged to the right.

    • Bruno

      It’s a VP candidate, not a right-wing gestapo knocking at my door. Don’t exaggerate.

      • Treant

        I love my people. We can even throw shade when discussing politics.

      • billbear1961

        Has it increased your confidence about the election, Bruno?

        On a scale of 1 to 10, where was your confidence before the pick, and where is it now?

        Hope I’m not putting you on the spot, but yours is an opinion I’m always interested in.

        • Bruno

          Thanks for saying that Bill. I think it’s more like I’m glad she didn’t pick someone that could create more havoc in an already crazy election cycle. I’d say before the pick my confidence was at a 6, though waiting for “the other shoe” to drop. And it’s still at a 6. But if I see some improved poll numbers out of Virginia and/or maybe Florida, it will go up.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Did you really think she was going to pick Noam Chomsky as her running mate?

      • Ish

        No but now i am definitely waiting for her to put on a stupid hat and drive a tank.

      • MB

        Oh God …..not Angry Amy and her BFF ?
        Democracy Now and Amy’s 5th grade graphics, terrible music and her guest list from anarchy international makes me nuts.

      • KnownDonorDad

        Now listen up, be well clever like ‘im!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOIM1_xOSro

    • IamM

      Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of not-burning-the-country-down.

    • Stubenville

      Why do people labor with the misconception that the center is unnecessary to win a national election? It’s crucial.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I think that most of the electorate has bifurcated into two rather large lumps on either side of a “center.” A lot of moderate GOP senators have left because they can’t please a nutty base and they’re disgusted by their own party.

      • Octavio

        The children are always petulant. It takes about 30 more years for them to see the bigger picture.

      • DutchBoy74

        Probably because they don’t want to see the labor in this country sold out to the lowest bidder and are sick of the Third Way getting in the way of progress.

    • Daveed_WOW

      She’s a moderate.

    • Adam King

      Ms. Clinton don’t get “dragged”.

    • LaTisha

      You’ll find the buffet table on your way out the door.

  • DaddyRay

    Clinton/Kaine 2016 – they have my vote!

  • Not the exciting VP choice I was hoping for, but I understand the reasoning behind not picking Warren, Booker, or Brown, or either of the Castro fellows. Bacera would’ve been an interesting choice, but again, not really a strategic choice in terms of bringing a potential swing-state.

    There’s an old saying about how the VP pick — aside from bringing in a swing state — overall can at best just not hurt the ticket. Kaine doesn’t hurt the ticket and might bring in some more centrists and perhaps even some center-leaning Republican voters who just can’t stand Trump.

    Trump, on the other hand, had only a small fraction of willing VP nominees — and personally, I think he blundered by not going with Christie over the other two likely frontrunners (Gingrich and Pence). Pence is about as unpopular as Christie in his own home state, he has all the charisma of a bowl of tepid oatmeal, his record is hard-hard radical conservative, plus Indiana was never a swing-state to begin with, whereas potentially NJ could’ve been. Plus on top of everything else, it’s evident Trump doesn’t really like him at all.

    • rextrek1

      I was hoping she’d pick Kamala Harris, the African American Woman AG in Cal.

      • Treant

        No experience at the Federal level and doesn’t help anywhere but CA–which is safe. Harris might have her own future (possibly in the Clinton Administration), though.

        • Bruno

          Think she’ll be a Senator first.

          • Treant

            I’d vote for her for Senator if I lived in CA. Or wherever she puts down roots. Her choice. 🙂

      • But California is really safely Blue, so there’s no help there. Plus as Treant noted, Harris has no national exposure or experience. Yet. She is, however, likely a rising star.

        • As little as 30 years ago Texas was also “safely blue” and had been since the Civil War. Let’s not allow Republicans to get even a toehold in places that still are safely blue or we could end up with another enormous electoral college state turned over to the Republi party.

          • Octavio

            Texas has stock piles of Reagan Kool Aid. They flood the drinking water with it every election.

      • danolgb

        You mean our leading Senatorial candidate? Let’s let her run the campaign she wants to first.

      • Adam King

        No! Harris –> Senate. Win the Senate!

      • stevenj

        Kamala Harris is way ahead in the polls here against Loretta Sanchez for Boxer’s Senate seat.

    • Adam King

      But I like bowls of tepid oatmeal. Don’t be hatin on bowls of tepid oatmeal.

      • Yes, but when is the last time you hung out with a bowl of tepid oatmeal and said, “Wow, that oatmeal is really fascinating and interesting! I really want to party with that oatmeal.”?

        • Adam King

          If it weren’t for tepid oatmeal, people my age would be dropping like flies.

  • DaddyRay

    And just like that the GOP Convention 15 minutes of fame are up

    • Michael Rush

      Pence who ?

      • Adam King

        What’s a gop?

  • rextrek1

    Looks good on Paper – I’m not excited – but – what am I gonna do..I AINT KRAZY enuff to vote TRUMP…………in the famous words of Susan Hayward – I WANNA LIVE!

  • margaretpoa

    Not my first choice but more than a match for Pence. Their debates should be yawn fests though.

    • DaddyRay

      Good – the less attention Pence gets the better

      • zeddicuskotor

        Wrong, the more attention he gets the better. People need to know how much of a religious freak nut he is.

  • houstonray

    Merchandise up in their store.

    • doug van boven

      it sounds like a medical center.

      • Adam King

        With the appropriate logo, too.

  • Damn That B¡tch

    Yawn. Damn, that bitch is gonna fuck this up.

    • Bruno

      Thank you for your insight, Damn That B¡tch. As with all your other insights in the past, it was obviously well thought-out, articulated, and communicated in a kindly fashion. I hope the account-less Disqus gods shine their heavenly light on you for a long time.

      • TJay229

        I give you greater points… I don’t even respond to the “Ghost”.

      • Damn That B¡tch

        Yeah, your perspective really adds some trenchant insight too. But I’m atheist, so I don’t need any motherfuckin’ light from any non-existent ‘gods’.
        Believe what you want though.

        She is as bad a Al Gore as a campaigner, maybe worse. She has less charisma than H. Ross Perot. I have so little confidence in her as a campaigner..

        And this move shows ZERO creative thinking. It’s the safe white-woman move, and I fear it will not be enough. Think outside the box, bitch!

        • Bruno

          Apparently, sexism isn’t playing a part in your attitude towards Mrs. Clinton whatsoever. Cooler heads like yours always prevail.

      • Adam King

        Damn that Damn That B¡tch.

  • Stubenville

    So the Hispanic outreach is going to be more than a leering selfie over a taco salad?

    • Ninja0980

      He can speak fluent Spanish and he held up better in interviews then Perez did.

      • Reality.Bites

        Sorry, such a common name it’s hard to search on – which Perez are you referring to?

        • Ninja0980

          Tom Perez, the sectary of labor.

    • Daveed_WOW

      Am I the only who suspects that the taco salad was invented by Denny’s?

    • Adam King

      There’s more to the ancient and honorable cultures of Latinxs than taco salad? Who knew?

  • Homo Erectus

    He sure beats the snot out of Gingrich 😉

  • RainbowPhoenix

    He may be a bit boring, but his record looks good and he won’t be replaced by a republican. She could have done a lot worse.

    • matt227

      That was my first fear. Summoning senators from red or purple states is lunacy.

  • matt227

    I don’t see the calculus. Southern background doesn’t help Democrats win the White House anymore like it did for Bill or Jimmy Carter.

    • Bruno

      How about Kaine is a popular figure in one of the most important swing states?

      • matt227

        Alrighty, but is his influence on the state that pronounced?

        • Ninja0980

          As a Governor and Senator yes.

          • matt227

            Alrighty.

          • Adam King

            Well then.

        • TrollopeReader

          he was also short-listed for Obama …

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      The South is not one homogeneous block anymore. Right now Alabama, Louisiana and Tennessee are impossible, but Virginia and Florida are leaning toward Clinton, and North Carolina is up for grabs. Some polls show Georgia might even be within reach.

      • matt227

        Obama lost GA MT and MO by a hair.

    • zeddicuskotor

      Hillary needs to show that she is serious about fighting the gun lobby, and Kaine has a long and accomplished career of pissing on the NRA and in their home state. He is a very smart pick.

    • stevenj

      Perhaps Clinton was looking to attract moderate (Southern and elsewhere) Republicans?

      • matt227

        She needs to attract more white male blue collar workers, that’s true, but she also needs more of the Democratic Party base.

        • Lazycrockett

          Umm she has the base.

        • stevenj

          And the Latino voters? Tend to be Catholic and moderate.

        • Circ09

          That’s the calculus I don’t understand. White males haven’t been an important part of the Democratic strategy in a while. Obama never came close to winning that demo and still handily won both races. And demographics are even more in our favor now than 4 years ago.

  • Webster

    I am so completely and thoroughly … underwhelmed.

  • WIGuy

    This announcement seems very beige…

  • fuzzybits

    Well I don’t think he was supposed to audition for the next Magic Mike movie. I’m sure Hills knows what she’s doing.

  • BearEyes

    Ugh. This progressive will apply 2 clothespins to my nose and vote hillary – just not to get hair furor.

    • Hair Furor. LOL.

    • Good enough. Please also vote for all the down-ticket Democrats, too. And if you have some free time, consider running for local office because that’s where we get the state legislators and governors who eventually become our federal elected officials. Even the school board makes a difference, and they typically don’t meet all that often.

      • BearEyes

        I will vote for down ticket dems as well as the Chatham party (local progressive independents).
        I just needed to vent.

    • Daveed_WOW

      We have to make the most of what we’ve got, friend. Remember the prize: Supreme Court and Presidential vetoes. The war machine is here to stay as is Wall Street. The Clinton’s are famous for their miraculous ability to compromise….or to force Republicans to compromise. We’ll be OK.

    • zeddicuskotor

      Kaine’s ratings from key progressive groups:
      Brady Campaign 100%
      Human Rights Campaign 100%
      Planned Parenthood 100%
      AFL CIO 96%
      NAACP 96%

    • Tigernan Quinn

      Grow up. There is no “holding your nose” to vote. Vote or don’t vote on the basis of your needs and conscience. Quit expecting people to care about your brave moment.

    • Adam King

      A reluctant vote and an enthusiastic vote count the same. Thank you.

  • Ninja0980

    I look at what Brown, Warren, Merkley etc. did in the Senate in regards to Judicial Nominees and how far behind the eight ball we would still be without them.
    We need them in the Senate for SCOTUS and other court battles.
    Kaine is the right pick.

    • Warren will run in 8 years and I will vote for her.

      • Reality.Bites

        I hope she doesn’t, because the chances of a fifth consecutive Democratic term are very, very low. If the Republican Party manages to find its sanity again they’re a good bet to win the Presidency in 2020 or 2024.

        • Lazycrockett

          That doesn’t seem to be happening anytime soon.

        • zeddicuskotor

          Trump losing will finally destroy the GOP, as they threw away all of their legitimacy and principals to try to get a fat orange into power. Every election after that will be a reminder that these fools tried to elect that.

          • Treant

            I don’t think they’ve quite hit the bottom of the barrel yet. If they can hold the House, they can avoid any introspection on why they lost. Even if it’s a complete rout, if they regain the House in 2018 they’ll paper over any problems.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          It depends on whether or not the GOP runs David Duke. My opinion of the base is pretty bad.

        • Adam King

          Wow, the word “if” is collapsing from all the weight it carried in that comment.

        • Dramphooey

          I’ve got my fingers crossed for Trump causing War Between the States level damage to the GOP–by which I mean a string of Republicans from the end of the war until the 20th Century, with only Grover Cleveland an exception because he was completely incorruptible.

      • Circ09

        She’ll be 75 by then. Sorry but I don’t want a crypt keeper as president ushering us through the beginning of a new digital age and all the upheaval that is coming with it.

        • Lazycrockett

          True we and the government really really really need to get with the digital age and all its luggage.

      • Adam King

        She’s no spring chicken.

        • Truth.

        • cleos_mom

          You don’t need to be to sit on the Supreme Court.

      • Stubenville

        Not if Hillary appoints her to the Supreme court. Think of the anguish of the Tea Things!

  • Lazycrockett
  • Tigernan Quinn

    Not for nothing, but Clinton Kaine sounds like a Gotham socialite.

    • Bruno

      It’s a little porny, too.

    • fuzzybits

      Sounds like a Dynasty character.

      • Circ09

        That could be a great funny or die skit given who’s running.

    • Adam King

      And most likely a super-villain.

  • TJay229
    • Bruno

      I’d love to, if tweets worked on this damned thing.

      • Lazycrockett

        Yep.

      • Same. They just don’t show up.

      • TJay229

        Its a interactive map of the states and how Hill is gonna crush Trump… He must win FL, which he wont, with that HUGELY latin populated state. It went Blue 2x for PBO

        I will say it again and again ” Winning 1600 Pennsylvania Ave is not possible with just the Angry White man vote..” Trump has hardly ZERO 0% of the AA and less than 8% of the Latin vote…. How can he win?

        • Bruno

          Hope so. Florida was VERY close in 2008 and VERY VERY VERY close in 2012. There are a lot of old golfers there still, too.

          • TJay229

            Doesn’t matter how close it was in a race.. Its the one that has the ribbon on his chest; the horse whose nose crosses the line; the driver who has the fastest time… Wins.

          • Bruno

            Of course, but I’m just trying to be circumspect about Hillary’s chances in Florida. I would hope that the Latino vote pushes her over the top in that state, which would rather seal the election, but we’ll have to see if it plays out that way.

          • Adam King

            One foot on the fairway, one foot in the grave.

        • Treant

          Even some of the angry old white guys aren’t voting for Tramp.

          • TJay229

            Exactly

          • Adam King

            I’m an angry old white guy, and I despise every Republican breathing. Also, I’m really angry. At them. And really old.

          • Treant

            I’m slightly annoyed and middle-aged, so I have time to steep in my own juices for many decades yet.

          • Adam King

            I highly recommend bile, and frequent basting.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Nothing wrong with being really old. I enjoy it everyday. Even when it’s a pain in the ass, growing old is better than the alternative.

        • Circ09

          He can’t under current demographics if Hillary gets out the vote in the right states. Obama spanked Romney’s ass while only getting 39% of the total white vote. Hillary is unlikely to improve on that number.

          • TJay229

            And guess who’s campaign for her…? Ok then

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          Hence, enter Kaine. Trump’s alienation of the Hispanic and Latinix vote could have been remedied by A) a gross amount of amnesia or B) someone who stands for the opposite. Pence is not in any way that person.

          He lost VA. He has to win FL. He won’t get FL. Trump is betting on Rust States. He can’t get there without PA– and he won’t get PA. He won’t get MI. WI: Sorry, Walker, not going to happen. Even if he gets OH, possible or PA, possible but unlikely, he can’t get the other ones.

      • johncAtl

        They work for me if I right-click the link and open it in a new tab.

        • Adam King

          Link? I get no link. Just a blank space.

          • Bruno

            Same here, I don’t have that option on Chrome.

          • johncAtl

            Go to your profile settings and choose hide media. Then you get a link to click.

          • Bruno

            Nice workaround. Thx.

          • No joy. There isn’t a ‘hide media’ setting in Chrome, not in my version anyway.

          • Circ09

            just google maddowblog twitter and go straight to it. Disqus/twitter has been weird now for a few days.

          • I’m gonna have to; I follow her anyway. Frustrating not to be able to see what people are posting.

          • johncAtl

            Click your user name at the upper right of the comments.

          • Ah, Disqus profile, not Chrome settings. Thanks John.

          • Lazycrockett

            ditto, so does it seem to be a chrome/disquu compatibility issue?

          • johncAtl

            The setting is shown when you click your user name at the top of the comments. And the not showing up problem isn’t just with Chrome. They don’t show in Safari or Firefox either.

          • No, in reality, I think it’s something at a different level because I see the exact same behavior on IE, Edge, and Firefox — including all three with NO blocking or script prevention whatsoever. For whatever reason, we’re just not being served up the embedded tweets.

          • Hue-Man

            I’m copying and pasting what I just commented to BeccaM.

            Here’s the non-tech instructions.
            Go up the comments to your Disqus name.
            Click on it. Your options are Profile, Hide/Display Media, Edit Settings, Logout.
            If you click on Hide/Display Media, it tells Disqus not to try to display Tweets (and presumably other media). Instead, you get a link to the media that you can click on if you want to view it.

            Once Disqus fixes the problem, follow the same instructions but click DISPLAY MEDIA.

          • Hue-Man

            B. Here’s the non-tech instructions.
            Go up the comments to your Disqus name.
            Click on it. Your options are Profile, Hide/Display Media, Edit Settings, Logout.
            If you click on Hide/Display Media, it tells Disqus not to try to display Tweets (and presumably other media). Instead, you get a link to the media that you can click on if you want to view it.

            Once Disqus fixes the problem, follow the same instructions but click DISPLAY MEDIA.

          • Adam King

            I’m too tech-ignorant to try to correct Disqus’s constant issues anyway.

  • Lazycrockett

    1987

  • djcoastermark

    Just got back from the rally in Tampa. ( well after a stop at for cocktails). Hillary was quite inspiring. Her speech was mostly on diversity. She spent a nice portion of time talking about Pulse too. It was mostly an uplifting rally as opposed to the doom and gloom of the repubbles speeches. Also in attendence and speaking were my local Rep Kathy Castor (very pro LGBT), Sen Bill Nelson, Tampa mayor Buckhorn, Charlie Christ and even Debbie Wasserman Schultz to name a few. We wore our “we are Orlando” t-shirts and upon walking in were congratulated by some of the staff and led to a prime seating area in direct view of tv camera shooting angles. The seating was right at the point where Hillary walked out from backstage. It was really just too cool.

    • houstonray

      Yay for you!!! Color me jealous! 🙂

    • billbear1961

      Lovely!

      🙂

    • Adam King

      Envy.

  • 41PC

    During the debates it would be swell for Kaine to address each point in both English and Spanish. While Pence goes for idiocy.

    • Circ09

      That would be cool. But they would never do it out of fear it would alienate the blue-collar white male vote he’s meant to pander to. But hopefully they won’t be so safely old-fashioned and calculating to only have him speak Spanish on Spanish tv networks and a few rallies with lots of Hispanics present.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      When Kaine speaks even to majority English speaking audiences, he throws in Spanish. I think he will say at least something to that avail at the DNC. I look forward to what I hope will be the first of many times in which a VP or Presidential candidate delivers part of his or her address at the DNC in Spanish. I heavily doubt that Kaine has not written something already and I am excited to hear it (and to admit that I really must learn Spanish.)

  • Jim

    Today Mike Pence stood silently behind Donald Trump as he raved on and on about Ted Cruz, the National Enquirer, how Rafael Cruz had lunch with Lee Harvey Oswald, and how Donald didn’t have a thing to do with this story, and how the National Enquirer deserved the Pulitzer Prize, and oh did I mention that Rafael Cruz assassinated John Kennedy, and all Donald knows is what he reads in the tabloids published by his good friends. Mike Pence stood there, listened to every word of this lunacy from a man who thinks he should have his finger on the nuclear button, and said not a word. That’s the Republican VP nominee for you–ass kisser, flunky, and coward. Hillary’s chosen a man of proven substance, ability, experience, intelligence, and integrity. Good for her. Good for America. At least the Democratic Party is still sane.

    • Adam King

      Hear, hear!

    • cleos_mom

      Pence is Trump’s other trophy wife.

  • Do Something Nice
  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Is Kaine really into talking about Jesus all the time? He sounds pretty religious.

    According to http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tim-kaine/story?id=40280767 , it says he was a missionary in 1980. He also is a continuous church goer.

    • Do Something Nice

      Social justice Catholics have always been supporters of the LGBT community.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I’m mostly burned out on hearing “God bless America” and “God wants us to do X or Y” as part of political speech.

        • Do Something Nice

          Nobody hates religion more than me. But sometimes God bless you is. . . well, read for yourself. This happened to me yesterday and I copied it from my FB:

          “Yesterday afternoon when I was exiting the courthouse, I saw a distressed looking street person at the bottom of the steps standing next a lamppost. There was an empty wheelchair next to him. While walking past him, I saw a man in the fetal position on the sidewalk behind the wheelchair. I’m pretty sure he was dead and beyond needing help.

          The distressed man begged that I call 911, which, of course, I did. After hanging up, we introduced ourselves and “Steve” kept thanking and ‘God blessing’ me over and over. He was a sweet and gentle soul and very kind. We chatted a bit and thoughtfully, he told me that I didn’t have to wait for the EMTs to arrive.

          We said our goodbyes and when walking away, I got quite sad, thinking that because of the way he begged me to call 911, I probably wasn’t the first person he asked. I managed to get about 20 feet down the road when I turned around. He saw me and walked toward me, asking if I was OK. I took out my wallet and handed him some money. While he was thanking and God blessing me a bunch more times we could hear the sirens getting closer and he looked at me and then darted back over to the wheelchair. When he was engaged with the EMTs I continued with my walk home.”

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            It’s one thing in RL but I’m very wary of its use in pushing the American exceptionalism narrative and that’s besides the rampant use of it by the GOP.

          • Octavio

            May the universe smile down upon you.

    • houstonray

      Just posted on ThinkProgress.org, called “what you need to know about Tim Kaine”. here is the link:

      http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/07/22/3801047/tim-kaine-hillary-vp/

    • Adam King

      So he can shove his crucifix up the collective ass of the Republicans.

  • billbear1961
    • houstonray

      Yay billbear!!!!

  • bambinoitaliano

    VP is like bridesmaid, He is not suppose to upstage the POTUS. As long it’s not a Quayle, a Palin or a Pence that will cause embarrassment to the campaign, boring is prefer in the sense of zero skeletons in the closet. At this rate. Kaine is more qualify than the combination of Trumpence.

  • That_Looks_Delicious
  • TJay229

    Tim Kaine throws the First punch…. LMBAO

    He’s at that Latin Vote.

    • Paula

      Muy bien hecho, Senor!

  • fuzzybits
  • Count me as less-than-thrilled with Hillary’s VP choice. Kaine is NOT someone I would want a heartbeat away from the Presidency. This is as bad a choice as Lieberman, or Gore – just a tad too “blue dog” for me (and I know, Gore was not a blue dog, but Tipper had this thing that reminds me of One Million Moms . . . )

    That being said, Kaine is a helluva lot better than Pence.

  • djcoastermark

    Did anyone see that Hillary stopped at Pulse in Orlando today, and left flowers. Can you even imagine t rump doing such a thing ?

    • fuzzybits

      Kind of. And then he would tweet about it for days saying how special it was of him.

  • Michael Smith

    I have found a tweet that sums up my feelings:

    http://twitter.com/louisvirtel/status/756669066065039360

    • Bruno

      Yep. That is so nail on the head for me.

      • Quick & Painless

        Try nail IN the head next time. It would be the most penetrating brain activity you’ve demonstrated in awhile.

        • Bruno

          Wow, another Disqus all-star post. Why don’t you grow a pair and register an account so I can just block you, loser?

          • JCF

            Killfile still works on the unregistered cowards.

        • Treant

          We call that “sounding,” love. And it’s best done with a blunt-tipped and bulb-ended device that won’t break.

  • Bill_Perdue

    ”The split in the Democratic Party will become an unbridgeable chasm “when Sanders supporters are forced to recognize that the 40-plus percent of the Democratic base they represent cannot coexist with Hillary’s ‘truer and more fully explicit ruling class party,’ and needs its own electoral political formation.” The Republican side of the corporate duopoly has already been destabilized. Clinton’s hard right turn will fracture the Democrats.http://www.blackagendareport.com/the_end_of_duopoly

    • Bruno

      Blocked.

      • Bill_Perdue

        Ahh, you’re pissed off because some people don’t follow you and Hillary off the cliff.

        • I see you are using false tropes to support your false Hobson’s Choice.

    • Michael Rush

      …… has everyone found the new Disqus feature BLOCK USER ?

      ( they don’t have one called block troll asshole yet )

      Bill Perdue is here to tell you not to vote for

      anyone if you’re not familiar with his work

      https://s32.postimg.org/62vk2ku6d/bill_perdue_you_asshole.jpg

      • Bill_Perdue
      • Bill_Perdue

        A victory by HRH Trump or HRH HRC won’t help working women, many of them single heads of households, who don’t get a decent minimum wage. They’re the enemies of working women. HRH HRC and HRH Trump don’t care, they’re both filthy rich and I do mean filthy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lYgmen7f5c

        A victory by HRH Trump or HRH HRC won’t help the mothers of people of color murdered by cops. Their racist remarks encourage cops to kill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALXulk0T8cg

        A victory by HRH Trump or HRH HRC won’t help the tens of thousands of civilians in Palestine, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan murdered by Democrat and Republican regimes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y

      • djcoastermark

        Blocked also. Or should I have said Blocked As..hole?

  • Steven Alan Taylor

    The Hillary/Kaine ticket effectively cements the reality that the Tea Party has won by shifting the discourse so far right that a platform that wouldn’t look out of place in a 70’s or 80’s GOP platform is now the ticket of the Democrats. Hillary, the corrupt and moderate, has appointed a fellow moderate whose 2005 and 2012 postiions usually directly contradict each other, except where exercising the will of the moneychangers is concerned.

    America has no left wing coalition in either party of the duopoly, it seems.

    • Bruno

      Oh, blow it out your ass. More fucking stupidity from the left-wing Taliban cotillion.

      • Treant

        Crude, but to the point without wasting words. Frankly, Bill Clinton wouldn’t say half the things that are coming out of Hillary’s mouth (and that she supported as Senator and happily pursued in the Obama administration). Nor would Carter have said or done half this stuff.

        I’m not sure in what Universe she’s a right winger, but I probably wouldn’t want to live there. Hemp fabrics make me itch and I loathe tofu.

        • Bruno

          Can you tell I’ve just about had it with these people?

          • Treant

            Yes, and ditto. Take heart, a lot of the no-account (literally!) people are clearly the same person using multiple puppets.

          • Bruno

            Most likely they don’t care about politics much, just trolling.

          • I like that you can trace the puppets by who up-votes them – sometimes they up-vote each other then you know how deep they have their hands in each other.

          • Adam King

            Very bad imagery.

          • Did I go too far?

          • Treant

            Never.

          • Treant

            It’s like a great, sticky, infectious web of trolldom.

            🙂

          • Jay George

            They crawl out of the woodwork and scream THEIR VERY IMPORTANT OPINIONS that aren’t necessarily based in fact and expect everybody else to give a damn. Then they slide off the board never to be seen again.

          • Bruno

            Yup. Say something incendiary, then run. That’s called trolling.

          • Jay George

            I never thought I’d use the block option as much as I do, but this election has changed all that. 😀

          • Bruno

            I was just thinking I can’t believe how long it took me to block Perdouche.

          • Jay George

            😀 😀 😀 So you could be really happy when you saw “Comment by Bill_Perdue blocked” flash across your screen.

          • Bruno

            Right? This feature is like a dream come true.

          • Adam King

            Mine just says “This user is blocked” and doesn’t identify them. In this case, ignorance is bliss.

          • Jay George

            I get to see exactly who I’m ignoring. It’s really satisfying. 😀

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            Best part is, you just know it’s killing him that he’s being ignored. AAAHHH, Bliss.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Never wrestle with pigs like Bruno. You just get dirty and Bruno, the pig likes it.

          • Michael Rush

            has everyone found the new Disqus feature BLOCK USER ?

            ( they don’t have one called block troll asshole yet )

            Bill Perdue is here to tell you not to vote for

            anyone if you’re not familiar with his work

            https://s32.postimg.org/62vk2ku6d/bill_perdue_you_asshole.jpg

          • Bill_Perdue

            “Hillary Clinton has vowed to be tougher on Wall Street than any other presidential candidate, but that hasn’t stopped the financial industry from sending a flood of cash to help elect her,” Bloomberg reports.

            “That includes segments of finance she has singled out for greater oversight in her plan to rein in ‘shadow banking,’ where financial companies act like banks without being regulated like them. Hedge funds, private equity and insurance executives, who could face greater oversight under the plan, have given a combined $24.9 million to Clinton and the super-PACs supporting her, a Bloomberg review of campaign finance records shows.” http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-19/shadow-banks-clinton-flags-as-risky-put-millions-into-her-run via Political Wire

          • Bill_Perdue

            “Very competent, very professional, very intelligently moving towards the center, very shrewdly and effectively serving on the Armed Services Committee.” — Rep. Newt Gingrich, referring to fellow committee member Hillary Clinton, April 2005

            “She ran the State Department in the most effective way that I have ever seen.” — Henry Kissinger, referring to Hillary Clinton, Sept. 9, 2014

            “I liked Senator Goldwater,” she explained in her book Living History (2003), “because he was a rugged individualist who swam against the political tide.”

            “Her so-called foreign policy ‘experience’ has been to support every war demanded by the US deep security state run by the military and the CIA.” — Jeffrey Sachs, referring to Hillary Clinton, Feb. 5, 2016

            http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/03/hillary-clintons-foreign-policy-resume-what-the-record-shows/

          • Adam King

            So that was Bill Perdoodoo? I wasn’t aware.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            I blocked it awhile back and I don’t regret the decision. It’s an irrelevant thing, worthy of being ignored….which the “Block User” makes rather easy work of it.

          • sherman

            When the block feature was first made available, I imagine he was Patient Zero for many of us. Seems he’s posting less since he can’t annoy a lot of people anymore.

          • Treant

            He was Patient Zero for me! The second that was released, I was inoculating myself.

          • Bruno

            Right. I generally would avoid his posts by sight…my eye would just move elsewhere. Happened to not do that last night…

          • sherman

            Life is short. Comment threads are long. Twitter is endless.

            I’m becoming very liberal with blocking. Some people really have nothing to say worth my time. Today I’ve decided the delicate flowers who would allow Trump to become president because their “principles” prevent them from voting for Hillary can whine without me..

          • Jay George

            Right? Just cuz they type it doesn’t mean I’m obligated to read it. There are smart, fun folks on this forum and that’s where I’m gonna spend my time.

        • Jay George

          How do you feel about neck beards?

          • Treant

            I’m fairly neutral. They can be very sexy. I dated a guy whose fur started at the top of his beard line and ended around his knees. He tried for clean-shaven, but that usually lasted until 11 AM.

          • Jay George

            😀 Werewolf!

          • Treant

            Otter. 🙂

          • Jay George
          • Adam King

            I dated a guy whose beard continued under his ears and met up with the hair on the back of his neck, which continued down to meet up with his back hair. And don’t get me started on his shoulders. He could talk and everything, and didn’t live in a tree, too.

          • Some people just stare at me blankly when I use that phrase

          • Adam King

            And scratch at their necks.

          • and their neck beards.

    • Bruno

      Really loving the irony, considering this quote of yours from last month, Mr. Taylor: “Not our enemy. I see no reason for gun opposition to be a gay rights issue. Lots of us gays like our guns just fine.”

    • Lazycrockett

      Who’s fault is that? The left who refuses to be active in changing the party and just bitches bout it and stays home.

    • sherman

      Hillary is not corrupt. Maybe if the “left wing coalition” traded in reality, they might become relevant.

  • Tweet that sums up my feelings:

    Rusty Foster ‏@rustyk5 56m56 minutes ago
    EVERYONE: listen Hillary seriously don’t fuck this up
    HILLARY: *runs very safe campaign*
    EVERYONE: ugh so boring

    https://twitter.com/rustyk5/status/756663065710473218

    • Circ09

      That tweet misses the point many have been making for years. The argument is that Hillary always fucks things up with her safe, over-thinking calculus. For example, many believe Hillary primarily had her own server set-up because she planned to run for President. Calculation and personal safety ruled her day. Many think Kaine was chosen because he is an old trusted friend and a white guy was needed to balance her out. So, same kind of thinking.

      It is the same old, same old from the Clinton camp. And lots of people grew tired of the same old Clinton crap a long time ago. The Democratic Party should ignore that sentiment at their own peril.

      • Bruno

        Since when does “many think” translate into true facts?

        • Dramphooey

          That would get a “who?” on Wikipedia.

        • Circ09

          Have you not been listening to the progressive left? And I’m not talking about Bernie or Bust weirdos.

          • Bruno

            The monolithic “progressive left” of which you speak says what? That Hillary plays it too safe? Fair enough. It’s still just an opinion, not a fact, even if it’s shared by many and they’re sane. Many people think Obama played things too safe too. Personally, I think a pragmatic leader is a good leader, but other views will differ.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            Correction: Bernie or Buster’s are NOT the progressive left, they’re the REGRESSIVE left….and yes, there’s a difference.

        • cleos_mom

          Millions of FOX viewers who take “some say” for gospel can’t be wrong!

      • HomerTh

        “many believe” SO WHAT. Lot’s of people believe that there were dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark and of course that is bullshit too.

        • Circ09

          But they VOTE, don’t they? A large number of people believe Hillary is calculating, un-personable, power hungry, establishment, conventional, and on and on….That is the perception of a large number of voters. That is not a feeling. That is a fact based on many polls over the years. And her choice here doesn’t change that perception. It is totally in line with the Hillary that is known. So don’t act surprised now that people are un-enthused. That’s where the tweet totally misses the point.

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          No, no, no, no. The dinosaurs were not on the ark!

          They were in the lifeboat that got towed alongside the ark. They were there with the unicorns, until they ate them.

          • TuuxKabin

            Sounds gay. Love it.

      • lymis

        Why, exactly, is caution and long-term planning a BAD thing in a president?

  • geoffalnutt

    How the fuck are Trump/Pence ever going to get through the first debate?! It’s gonna be ‘all bullshit, all the time’…sort of the way it’s been all along. They don’t know anything about the world at all. What a show!!

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Maybe Pence will be the only one who shows up. I hear Trump wants his VP to do all the work any way. I actually wouldn’t put it past Trump to not show up at the debates. Maybe then the media will kick his ass for robbing them of ratings and money.

      • Bruno

        Frankly I think for tRump, not showing up is the better option.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          Trump might talk like this all through the debate.

          https://youtu.be/z8rVfTAwi_M?t=7m32s

          • Bruno

            No wonder Palin loved him before he spurned her for VP.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            A few posters have previously speculated Alzheimer’s or some sort of dementia.

          • Bruno

            I wasn’t going as drastic thinking something like ADHD.

  • Ninja0980

    I see some Bernie folks are going to protest this and the DNC leaks.
    I had no idea they supported Russia and Putin so much, I thought that was Trump and the Republicans job.

    • Jay George

      I never did hear much about protests outside the RNC convention, but supposedly they happened every day. I wonder why they weren’t covered?

      • Ninja0980

        No one was arrested.

        • Jay George

          It will be interesting, sort of, to compare the coverage of the two.

          • Ninja0980

            The Bernie folks are promising protests and riots at the DNC over the WikiLeaks so who knows.

          • That_Looks_Delicious

            Are they still doing the “Fart In”?

          • Bruno

            Oh FFS.

          • Adam King

            They’re practicing, obviously.

          • TuuxKabin

            Wasn’t that the cause of the ‘odor’ reported in the Quicken Arena?

  • Stubenville

    Any word from the Shrieking Cheeto (or his minions) about this?

    • houstonray

      He called him “Corrupt Kaine” earlier today. Crooked Hillary/Corrupt Kaine

    • Not much. Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) actually said something rather nice.

      Jeff FlakeVerified account
      ‏@JeffFlake
      Trying to count the ways I hate @timkaine. Drawing a blank. Congrats to a good man and a good friend.
      6:59 PM – 22 Jul 2016

      There’s this tweet here from Maggie Haberman (NYTimes) where she says the Trump campaign is trying to label them as ‘Crooked Hillary’ and ‘Corrupt Kaine’ — but it’s lame.

      https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/756668991788158976

      • Cuberly

        Flake going for the 2-3 times he’s sane out of 100 opportunities.

      • Bruno

        Curious as to what corruption they’d be referring to. I don’t know any major dirt on Kaine, always assumed he’s just boring and uncontroversial.

        • houstonray

          There’s something about some gifts he took as Gov? Or Lt. Gov? He didn’t report them or the full value? I’m not sure it’s all kinda fuzzy like maybe there is nothing there but the right is trying to make it into something??

          • Bruno

            What is it with Virginia governors and gifts? Of course, McDonnell looks like he’s in the clear per SCOTUS, so this may be a non-starter.

          • ultragreen

            Virginia has very lax laws about politicians receiving gifts.

          • Circ09

            They tried to make hay not long ago out of campaign donations from a foreign national. But they cleared.

          • ultragreen

            As a governor, Kaine received about $160,000 in gifts (vacations, paid travel expenses, etc.), although they were legal under Virginia’s very lax laws governing gifts to politicians. Still, it doesn’t look good.

        • There isn’t any. The guy is squeaky-clean, and policy disagreements don’t equal corruption. For my own assessment, I’d put Kaine as predominantly center-left. Definitely not progressive left or far left, although I’m sure folks will disagree with me. Some will say he’s more progressive than I’m giving him credit for; some are saying he’s a neo-liberal right-winger (which I’m sorry is just not true).

          More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Kaine

          Thing is, I suspect many ardent progressive-liberals have forgotten they aren’t the only voters nor are they the majority of Americans. The bell-curve is fattest in the middle and if Clinton thinks she can peel off more of the folks in the center (and centrist GOPers like my mom), that’s what makes for a landslide win, not satisfying the ideological purity demands of the far left, which I suspect she could never do anyway because their minds are made up. Even when she’s swung more progressive in her positions, she’s accused of being insincere, so there’s literally no way for her to win that battle.

          As for the name, I think the Trump campaign wanted a pejorative “k” sound and somehow they realize they can’t still can publicly call someone a c*nt — even though Scott Baio did.

          • Bruno

            It probably doesn’t matter a lick to tRump if Kaine is ACTUALLY corrupt though. The moniker will stick amongst his cesspool fanbase. Hopefully no further than that.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        My my my. Jeff Flake must be getting ready to jump from the flaming wreck of the S.S. GOP as it sinks.

      • TuuxKabin

        Every attempt at humor or snark from them is lame. Every single time. How could anything creative or funny come out of a bunch of haters? Rhetorical question, I know.

  • Lazycrockett

    Totally OT but I’m watching last nights Real Time and is Gavin Newsom every going to go national?

    • Bruno

      Isn’t he speaking at the convention? Maybe that’s the springboard.

      • Lazycrockett

        Oh cool, didn’t know.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      I’ve read that he passed on running for Boxer’s senate seat because he really has his eye on being Governor after Brown.

      • Lazycrockett

        Going for 1st president of California, huh?

      • Bruno

        It’s been a really great time to be a high-profile Democrat in California. Just about any of them can be a prohibitive favorite for the office of their choice if they get the party nomination.

      • JCF

        Oh he’s already ANNOUNCED he’s running for Governor. But I think Antonio Villaraigosa wants it too—and California really is overdue for a Latinx Governor.

    • houstonray

      Can you imagine….someday…a Gavin Newsome / Kamala Harris ticket…….? OH MY GOD!

    • SoCalGal20

      He’s speaking at the convention next week.

  • Cuberly

    Mikey M
    ‏@frelling_cute
    21m21 minutes ago
    @TheRickWilson @Reince Trump spent the day mean tweeting and threatening people. Productive.

    —————–

    And Hillz gave a damn good speech today that was perfectly timed and delivered if you ask me. On how the Dems differ from the fascists.

    • djcoastermark

      Yes She did give a damn good speech.

  • saucetin

    As howard dean pronounced: you wanna win the south (which H-> should understand): “…appeal to the guy w/ a [rebel surrender] flag on his p/u.” This won’t do that in the least, but it will afford SOME name recognition there. *Y se habla español: Si se puedes. I caught a campaign rally and dedication for Ceasar E. Chavez
    where Ken Salazar spoke in Spanish, in Delano CA, where Chavez had fasted successfully. Powerful.

  • M Jackson

    I’m reading Kaine’s voting record and people on the bus are wondering why I’m grinning ear-to-ear.

  • Stubenville

    This place is infested with stale, humorless trolls tonight.

    • houstonray

      • DaddyRay

        Maybe Clippy can help

    • Jay George

      Yes, they felt us being happy for a moment and they rushed in to try and put a stop to it. 😉

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Didn’t work.

        • Jay George

          It absolutely didn’t. 🙂

      • TuuxKabin

        that’s not going to happen.

        • Jay George

          Not as long as we have killfile. 🙂

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      [wow, bras sure were pointy in early ’60s. Okay, carry on.]

  • DumbHairyApe

    I have a logo suggestion for them, can someone pass this along?

    • AJ Drew

      wasn’t that the original logo for calvin klein underwear?

      • DumbHairyApe

        haha, maybe. I thought about Calvin Klein when I was making it. It’s much more of a pun on the Trump Pence logo that was removed…guess my humor’s too obvious.

        • AJ Drew

          nah, it was fun and on point. er, literally.

    • Treant

      You wicked, wicked man.

    • Ginger Snap

      This is what I thought of first.
      https://goo.gl/images/5zTQzk

    • TuuxKabin

      consider it passed along, to many.

  • houstonray

    Here is ThinkProgress’ take…

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/07/22/3801047/tim-kaine-hillary-vp/

    I’m ok with it…

    • That’s a good summary. Not perfect, but he’ll do.

      • Ninja0980

        No one really is though, certainly not enough for the Bernie or Bust folks, especially with the DNC leaks coming out.

        • Jean-Marc in Canada

          The Bernie or Bust crowd have, by their own words and actions, chosen to become irrelevant. They chose to petulance and tantrums over pragmatism, the one thing necessary in politics. They eschew reality for fantasy. They’re no longer players, merely benchwarmers. And no, I won’t be apologizing for the characterizations. This is a time for adults to have a discussion, not children’s whining. Period.

          • cleos_mom

            When even Thom Hartmann stops bussing their fundaments, the irrelevancy is beyond a done deal.

        • Antonin Scalia’s Supreme Court seat. Assuming the GOP Senate doesn’t change its mind and confirm Garland (Obama’s pick), this means either Clinton or Trump will pick that next Justice.

          It’s binary. There are no other viable choices. And after him, both Kennedy (swing vote) and Ginsberg (reliably prog.) are really up there in years and probably not far from retiring. The next President will pick them, too.

          Either we end up with a 6-3 progressive majority on the court…or a far, radical-right conservative one with the same numbers. Reproductive rights, LGBT rights, Citizens United, the ACA — it’s all on the line. Clinton or Trump will decide it. Casting a write-in vote for Sanders or a vote for Stein or Johnson won’t change that, and neither will sitting out the election.

          My eye isn’t even on the next four years, because regardless whether it would’ve been Clinton or Sanders, neither of them has the staying power of a Supreme Court Justice nominee.

          Yeah, Bill Clinton was way too centrist for my tastes, but he have us Ginsberg and Breyer. Hillary will do no worse than that, and to my thinking, control over those nominations is even more important than the presidency itself.

          • Ninja0980

            That is my take as well.
            I don’t think some of these folks seem to get justices can’t get voted out so even if we got the largest progressive wave in history, anything they pass will be struck down by a conservative SCOTUS.

          • Yep. And not only that, all these voter suppression laws the GOP keeps passing. We have only about four years to get them overturned by SCOTUS before the 2020 census, which is the only real chance we’ll have to really drive the GOP out of power at the state level and in Congress.

          • lymis

            We have to take the Senate and keep it in 2020 for the Census, or there’s no chance to appoint genuinely progressive justices to SCOTUS.

      • Bruno

        He’s done his share of “evolving” on issues. I think it’s notable that he signed an abortion-restricting law but currently has 100% from PP. It’s good that we can recognize that evolving is possible and one’s past voting record isn’t always the entire story.

    • houstonray

      . . .

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci
    • TuuxKabin

      Love that word ‘indubitably’! uh, thank you.

  • DaddyRay

    It has been hours and Trump hasn’t tweeted anything yet – if Kaine can stump Trump it is a win-win

    • Bruno

      He’s too busy plotting the assassination of Ted Cruz.

      • DaddyRay

        Win-Win-Win

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        ….and celebrating the attack in Germany, don’t think he isn’t.

        • Bruno

          No doubt. A sociopath thru & thru.

      • AJ Drew

        lolz… attempted political assassination, yes probably, and I’m sure DT is hiring the best people, but he’s never met them, well maybe once, he doesn’t know, but they’re the best, good people, you wouldn’t believe it. (and the obligatory: whatever happens, it will be YUGE).

        • DaddyRay

          He will met them when he debates them later this year

  • Paula

    If Eagle Forum and FRC hates him, I like him!! Fuck these holy rollers!

  • sherman

    Love my Rude:

    The Rude Pundit ‏@rudepundit
    Seriously? We’re gonna lose our shit over a banal VP pick? How about acting like our opponent is a madman? Eye on the ball, motherfuckers.

    • cleos_mom

      Rude cuts through the yammering like Dawn on a butter knife.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    The GOP hate him. Donald Trump hates him. The Christian Right him.

    Conclusion: not a bad pick after all.

    • #NeverTrumpers such as Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) and Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA) like him…which means they might be open to voting Dem this time around, even if they won’t admit it publicly.

      Same conclusion.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Pragmatism is NOT a dirty word…sadly, many on the left are as rigid as those on the right.

        • Indeed. And here’s how incredibly stupid Trump is being, in his childish petulance: He obviously needs to win big swing states like Ohio. So what is he doing? Talking about setting up a SuperPAC to defeat Gov. John Kasich and Senator Ted Cruz in revenge for refusing to lick Trump’s orange taint on national TV.

          http://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/trump.jpg

          This Bloomberg story is floating around tonight at a moment when Kasich and Ohio’s state GOP are being urged to put aside their hard feelings towards Trump and get to work for him against Clinton. This guy is threatening the sitting Republican governor of a swing state he desperately needs to win this fall, knowing that he’s depending on the state party to do most of the legwork for his skeletal ground-game operation. Does he have clinical brain damage?

          More:
          http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/22/too-good-to-check-trump-ready-to-invest-20-million-to-end-cruzs-and-kasichs-careers/

        • Oscarlating Wildely

          And the perfect cannot be the enemy of the good.

          This is a pragmatic war at this point. She has to beat Trump. I don’t care if Glenda the Good Witch or Joe Joe the Bat Boy is on the ticket as long as she does that.

          I may or may not like Kaine. I’m not dating him. I just want the person on the top of the ticket to stop Trump.

          • lymis

            I’ll add that sometimes progress is incremental. The Right didn’t take over American politics overnight, and they won’t be weeded out overnight. The rightward shift in American politics won’t be countered overnight, either. Hillary isn’t perfect, but she’s better than the options. Sanders didn’t win, but he changed a lot of the dialogue.

            So we elect Hillary and groom more progressive candidates up and down-ticket, and inspire the next generation to do the same.

      • Circ09

        I bet they just don’t vote top of the ticket.

    • Jean-Marc sweetie, I understand he’s Catholic, personally against abortionbut supports current law. Could you restate how the Christianist Right feels? [There’s a typo like I always make…] Thanks.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Actually, he’s “evolved” on abortion to the point where Planned Parenthood gives him a 100% rating. He’s also socially liberal…yes, he was once more conservative but has not been so for some time. As for how the Christian Right feels about him, just look at the FRC, AFA, GOP, etc. reactions to him. ’nuff said.

      • lymis

        Other than on abortion, an actual Catholic should be pretty consistently socially progressive, and the Catholics I was raised around (who I am increasingly aware aren’t representative of the political face of Catholicism) tended to be of the “Catholics don’t do this or that, but if people aren’t Catholic, those rules don’t apply and shouldn’t be written into law.”

        My extremely devout life-long Catholic mother was, for example, completely opposed to divorce or birth control for people who said they were Catholic, while being fully supportive of it for anyone else (the same approach she took to things like fasting during Lent or going to Confession.) She was adamantly opposed to abortion unless the mother’s life was at risk, but she vocally said that, if someone did personally choose to have premarital sex (which she disapproved of) they were idiots not to use birth control.

        A lot of Catholics, even die-hard doctrinal Catholics, slice things as essentially, “If you are going to be a part of the club, follow the rules of the club, but once you choose another club, those rules don’t apply.”

        And even more Catholics see a big difference between The Church and The Hierarchy, and are perfectly happy to ignore any rules that they personally think are stupid and outdated.

        And she was also extremely vocal about the fact that anyone who wasn’t for comprehensive pre-natal assistance and post-natal adoption – and putting their money and public funds where their mouth was – had no business even expressing an opinion on abortion. If they weren’t prepared with a working option, then they couldn’t judge someone else for making their own choices with the actual circumstances they faced. She completely supported things like Planned Parenthood and she has no patience at all for sanctimonious assholes who weren’t compassionate about real people’s lives.

        She died before all the sex abuse scandals started to break. On the one hand, I’m glad she didn’t have to face that, but I am intrigued by what her response would have been. Likely to be a huge advocate of lawsuits and jail time.

  • Ninja0980

    Joe Biden’s actions in 1991 helped make it so Clarence Thomas could get onto SCOTUS.
    No way anything Kaine could possibly be worse.
    Time for the far left to just go to Jill Stein already or accept this is who the nominee is.

    • Circ09

      Give it until after next week then everything will be settled. The convention has to happen first. It’s always that way. It was the same with the PUMA nutters. Then Bernie, Warren, Obamas etc…will be out stumping for Hillary shortly afterwards. That’s when the rubber hits the road of true campaigning. Right now we are still in the pre-show.

      • lymis

        We’re also in the time between the conventions, where traditionally, the first party gets a big bump, followed by the bump for the other party after their convention.

        It’s really hard to imagine any genuine undecideds or independents who haven’t already gone for Trump by now going for him at this point. (But then, I find it hard to imagine anyone voting for him in the primaries, either.)

    • Adam King

      Are you sincere, or just trying to create a perfect example of dead-stupid trolling?

  • DaddyRay

    OT: For some comic relief – South Park Season 20 trailer

    South Park: We’ve been there
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96Y8f13WBAE&feature=youtu.be

    • Max_1

      Like the Simpsons… but younger.

    • Avenger280

      “Cartman shoved food up his ass and now he’s trying to crap out his mouth.” Comedy gold!

  • abqdan

    Probably a good tactical choice – doesn’t mean I like it. My initial reaction was – meh. But he will probably deliver Virginia for Hilary. He won’t be much of a match on stage for Pence, who is a stronger public speaker; but then who really cares about the VP debate? And he won’t be the attack dog that Warren would have been, nor the progressive… Then again, the Democrat governor of Virginia will get to select his replacement, retaining that senatorial seat for the party; and Warren and Bernie will be back in the Senate butting heads with the Republicans.

    It could have been a worse pick.

    • Exactly my reaction.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      He’s also a good choice vis-a-vis the Hispanic vote. He’s fluent in Spanish and is a big supporter of Hispanic immigration and protections. This could give Hillary a boost for Florida as well.

    • Avenger280

      I just can’t see Trump willingly debating HRC. She’d mop the floor with him and he knows it. Trump is only Trump when he is in control and unchallenged. Put him in a situation where he would actually have to think or use logic and he will be totally lost.

      • AJ Drew

        I want to agree with you, but DT upped his game with that acceptance speech; he barely flinched while spouting so many outrageous (and easily disproved) mis-truths. His ugly boldness, and his ability to deliver it, is sadly growing. (Although… DTs truly thin-skinned narcissism was revealed by this morning’s press conference about Cruz: DT “doesn’t even want” Cruz’s approval. Hrm.)

        • Avenger280

          I understand where you are coming from. My thought is that if Trump finds himself alone on a stage with Hillary he will completely implode because he will have no advisors or toadies to tell him what to say. When the mods lob a hardball question at him during a debate, he’ll be lost because he’ll have no one to tell him how to respond with anything other than a generalization. (FWIW…. it’s been a bitch of a week and I’ve had a couple of rum & cokes. I hope that response makes sense).

          • AJ Drew

            You’re fine, no need to temper your reply.

            My concern is that Hillary might not be able to swat away DT’s theatrics on stage, as he’s getting, frighteningly, better at such antics. A *true* debate based on logic, facts, and hell, even opinion? Yes, Hillary would squash him. But that has never been DT’s modus operandi, and he is, again frighteningly, getting better at being able to deliver such bullshit. But, no doubt her team is considering that, so… we shall see.

        • lymis

          I predict that there will be at least one debate, in which Trump implodes and dodges any serious question with things like “I hire the best people, everybody knows that. I’ll get the best people for that” and then his team will spin it as a win, because he’ll declare that Hillary is calculating and over-rehearsed – phrased however he chooses to phrase that – but that everyone BUT the GOP base will see as a complete disaster.

          Then he’ll claim media bias and refuse any other debate while simply spouting whatever lies he picks for that day.

          I’m hoping that the media actually does report on substance for a change (though I’m not holding my breath).

      • The Professor

        I think she will carefully bait him into saying something really damning. She’s smart enough to let him hang himself.

      • cleos_mom

        That depends on how submissive the “moderator(s)” might be.

    • canoebum

      “He won’t be much of a match on stage for Pence, who is a stronger public speaker”. Pence lies, obfuscates and simply makes shit up all the time. I have to disagree with your point here. I think Kaine will do quite well one-on-one with the bigoted, ultra-conservative, Christainist Pence.

  • AJ Drew

    Eh, doing my due diligence (ok, google) does not reveal much meat at all about Kaine, even from the “uber” sites (oh, the shouting is out there, but it’s relatively tame overall.) He is, perhaps, that rare politician who became a politician to actually represent citizens and try to make society better, and still managed to make a career out of it. He has “evolved” on issues, meaning that despite what seemed to be his “conservative” personal opinions, his actions and speeches have changed in a slow but steady, and consistent way towards a progressive (welll, centrist at least,) stance.

    He’s not “exciting” but… maybe he kinda is. Especially as a pragmatic choice for VP; no flash, no sizzle, but an originally right-leaning Dem who has steadily headed left-leaning, without scandal, and *yet?* he also happens to be fluent in Spanish. Heh.

    • 2patricius2

      The more I have heard about him this evening from people who know him and know what he has done over the years, the more I like him as a choice. He is more progressive than I had realized. And when Clinton wins, (I do think she will) she will need someone with whom she feels comfortable working with while she is president.

      • billbear1961

        Oh, 2p2, I hope so very MUCH you’re right about Hillary winning.

        The polls are getting so close.

        They–the media–give that monster all the airtime he wants, let him get away with so much–lying and outrages to decency–almost unchallenged (taking issue with what he says only quietly, afterwards, after the damage is done). They act like this is all just a GAME, and refuse to warn the country about the DANGER he represents, to democracy, to the national and world economies, to national security, to world stability.

        It’s so OBVIOUS Trump is a SWINDLER, GROSSLY unqualified and UNFIT.

        But his chances of being elected keep growing.

        I am SICK with worry and sometimes on the point of despair.

        Kaine seems like a very decent man.

        I hope Clinton/Kaine will be victorious!

  • bob

    A little OT , I thought the orange monster never settled lawsuits ? Seems a couple of union workers got an $11,200 settlement . My advice , don’t take a check ! http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/jul/21/trumps-las-vegas-hotel-settles-union-busting-alleg/?utm_source=mostpopular&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=mostRead

    • canoebum

      They arrest people in Las Vegas for writing bad checks, regularly. Drop a bad check at the grocery market, you could find yourself in jail very easily. Drop a large bad check…and well, expect a knock on your door. His check will clear.

  • Max_1

    They’ll make a good team.
    My only concern(s) are: Trade and war.

    Still, my dream was Bernie and vp Warren…
    Hey, we CAN dream… NO?

    It should be a good first night Monday, next week…

    I’ll look forward to see where and if Madam President Hillary places Sanders and Warren in her Cabinet, or leave them in the Senate? I guess it depends on which Party is Majority of the Senate come Jan… If Dems are, Cabinet both. If not, leave in the Senate to FIGHT!

    • johncAtl

      I think they would both be more effective staying in the Senate, especially if the Democrats get control. But Sanders over Labor and Warren over Treasury wouldn’t be bad.

  • bob

    She has sunk to a new low … and for Shillary, that’s saying something.

    • Fuck off, Bob.

      • William

        He’s not even trying, with that handle.

    • johncAtl

      No, what really says everything is that you call her “Shillary.”

    • Avenger280

      Go!

    • TuuxKabin

      Same for you, tho I knew you could do it.

  • Old Fart in VA

    I’ve lived in Richmond for 27 years.
    I watched Tim Kaine when he was on the City Council.
    I voted for him because he was in my district and I liked what he said.

    He was smart and respectful to others on the Council, and that’s not always easy in Richmond.

    I went to some City Council meetings out of curiosity.

    At one point I ran into him in a downtown shopping area.
    I said that I admired him and his work.
    He said to me, you’ve been in the City Council meetings a couple times, haven’t you?
    I admitted I had.
    He said “I thought I recognized you. Why didn’t you come up to ask a question? You seemed curious about what was going on and you wanted to ask something at some point, didn’t you?”

    Swear to g-d, the man remembered a guy sitting in the back just listening, watching, and seeming curious about a boring City Council meeting.

    I respect the man a lot for that alone, but seriously, he’s worthy of respect for so many reasons.

    From what I know, he’s been a GOOD person for a long time.

    I’m just proud to say I’ve voted for the man, I’ve met the man, and I have thought highly of him for several decades.

    Clinton/Kaine 2016

    • AJ Drew

      wow. thank you for that, I think. I have no way of knowing if you’re being sincere or truthful, but from other published *ahem, on the Web,* accounts, it seems to be a recurrent theme of Kaine being… nice, and well, *to me* an actual politician in the best sense of that word. Thank you.

    • Pee Wee

      I love that story. Let me let you let me go.

      • TuuxKabin

        Reading your comment, first thing in the morning, is as good as that first cuppa strong black straight up Java. Thank you. You’ve started my day with a good, fresh kick.

    • sherman

      You realize of course that he said that to everybody.

      /snark

  • Max_1

    Sorry if this has been posted already…

    Jon Stewart Takes Over Colbert’s Late Show Desk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNiqpBNE9ik

    • AJ Drew

      Yup, it has, but it’s still awesome!

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        And from the shallow end of the pool:

        Jon’s blue eyes are looking smoldering hot, especially with the grey beard.

        • AJ Drew

          lolz, but yes, he looks good. A bit of rest away from, everything, has done him well.

  • David Kerlick

    Wall Street shill and pro corporate “trade” deals that harm workers. No regulating banks. No change from Obama. I just have to hold my nose tighter to vote against the greater evil of out-and-out fascism.

    • AJ Drew

      well, as long as you don’t pass out before actually voting, I’m with you.

    • bkb

      God you’re fucking boring

      • AJ Drew

        hey, now, let him vent if he’s gonna actually vote and vote against the DTs.

  • William

    OT – In other news, Leslie Van Houten has been denied parole.
    Enjoy your life sentence, bitch.

    • JCF

      Geez, William, vindictive much? I only care whether she’s been rehabilitated or not.

      • William

        Those murders were my introduction into the horrors of humanity.

        • johncAtl

          They probably didn’t prepare you for the mass killings that now happen every 2-3 days.

          • William

            I’d rather be shot in the head than be sliced up by a pack of jackals.

          • johncAtl

            True.

        • Gigi

          I don’t know anything about her and since I want to have a good day, I won’t Google her.

          • William

            Stay in your happy place, the big scary world will still be here later, unfortunately.

      • Ninja0980

        Sad to say but when you play a part in murders like that, you don’t deserve to ever see freedom again.

    • The Professor

      I saw an interview with her a few years back (maybe last time she had applied for parole) and there was still some real cray cray in those eyes.

      • William

        And now there a fucking TV series.

  • I was wrong. I thought she would wait until tomorrow because of the Munich shootings and my choice would have been Tom Perez. Kaine is highly qualified and well respected in the Democratic Party but his selection, to me, means she is giving the nod to the white male vote. I do like the fact that Kaine speaks Spanish. That should be welcoming and a nice advantage.

  • Merv99

    It’s a brilliant choice. She definitely needed a white male on the ticket. Him being a Southerner and fluent in Spanish is a bonus. Plus he seems to have exude warmth and integrity, which Hillary critics have sniped about her supposedly lacking.

    • Arriba Arriba

      Yeah, ’cause us Latinos love us some chicken-fried gringospeak. ¡Ándale! and yee-haw!

      • The Professor

        I bet what you WON’T like is someone from Trump’s INS threatening families and knocking on every door and stopping every brown driver demanding papers Arpaio-style for four years.

      • TuuxKabin

        Si. Sin embargo, aquí estamos. Apoyemos el partido.

  • pepón

    O/T Just couldn’t resit posting this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtnJUS30olE

    • TuuxKabin

      This came up in conversation at lunch the other day. How the three of us would love to be able to do that. This morning I woke up thinking about it, wanting to search for the link, posted here a while ago. Thank you for reading my mind. It’s stunning and gorgeous, shocking gorgeous. Thanks again.

    • SoCalGal20

      Beautiful. I hadn’t had a chance to watch it before. Thank you for posting.

    • sherman

      Thanks

  • Six Pins Delores

    Kaine is not pro choice

    • Octavio

      And how do you know this? The current opinion is that he may not be pro life but he’s not against those who support pro choice and pro choice organizations such as Planned Parenthood. Any evidence to the contrary? Inquiring minds and all that . . . .

      • The Professor

        Go to 5:20 in this interview. As I said, as a matter of policy he is pro choice. That’s all I care about. I do not care what he opposes in his private religious life, he is Constitutionally entitled to those beliefs. I don’t care if his Catholicism makes him personally opposed to same sex marriage either. I think he speaks for many Catholics in this interview. What I care about is how he will vote (100% record with Planned Parenthood and Cecile Richards endorsed him already) and what policies he will pursue. Period.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp7YTsakN4Y

        • Steven Leahy

          Not impressed. He can’t answer any question directly and take a firm position. For all of Hillary’s bitching about Bernie’s gun rights position, not seeing him as being any better. I wonder if he’s “personally” opposed to LGBT rights but “as a matter of policy” he supports them – not the kind of guy I want representing me, that’s for sure. I guess we’re stuck with him, but I also don’t see him swaying large swaths of white males to Hillary.

          • The Professor

            I respectfully disagree for exactly the reasons you cite. Guess we’ll see.

          • Steven Leahy

            True on that!

          • BobSF_94117

            I have rarely heard a more clear, believable statement about protecting abortion rights. Politics IS ABOUT policy, not personal feelings.

          • Steven Leahy

            Sorry, I have a lot more confidence in a candidate who actually believes in the positions he or she holds. A strong conviction also means less likelihood that position will change as popular sentiment does. Guess we’ll have to disagree.

          • sherman

            To me his answer on guns was thoughtful and made sense. I think putting his personal feelings about a subject subordinate to public policy is what we want in politicians. Otherwise a politician is a slave to his personal religion or philosophy.

            http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/06/15/sen-tim-kaine-debunks-media-myth-nras-power-oust-progressive-politicians/210963

            I live in the state where the NRA has its headquarters. And every time I run they give me an F and they spend millions of dollars and they campaign against me. I’ve never lost a race. I could lose the next one. But if they were that strong, I would have lost one already. You’ve got to stand up and say the Second Amendment is like the First Amendment. … Every right in the Constitution is subject to some reasonable rules and regulation.

          • Steven Leahy

            You’re one of my favorite people here Sherman, but I just disagree. I don’t think the second amendment is anything like the first from a moral or logical perspective. Ooh well, he’s her choice and I guess we’re stuck with him. I don’t have to like it or him, at all. At least I am getting it out of my system now.

    • The Professor

      He is absolutely pro choice as a matter of policy.

    • Robincho

      His Planned Parenthood voting scorecard says 100%…

  • SoCalGal20

    Ivanka let Drumpf have his phone back.

    • Treant

      Trump wishes he’d done as much “nothing” as Warren has in her life.

    • Texndoc

      Good God. He’s a Twittering Mean-Girl fool. “Bitchezz!” can’t surely be too far away.

  • cleos_mom

    Prepare the fainting couch and hissie madroom for those distraught & distrait about Kaine not being “exciting” enough.

    • Steven Leahy

      LOL I would have settled for a notch or two above a wet dishrag, at least…

    • Parque_Hundido

      I would have settled for literally anyone who didn’t use state money to fund those awful “crisis pregnancy centers”. He’s awful.

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  • greenmanTN

    Not my first choice,but considering she could appoint Satan to be her running mate and I’d still vote for her….

    • Steven Leahy

      Yeah I’d be OK with that. Better yet, If she’d picked Cory Booker, I’d be sporting Clinton/Booker paraphernalia all over the place. A middle aged right-center jesuit conservative (i.e. bigoted) “personal” opinions on just about everything, who votes as the wind blows? Not so much. I’ll still likely vote for her, but with no enthusiasm whatsoever.

      • sherman

        I don’t agree with your representation of Kaine, especially calling him bigoted.

        I’ve been wary of Booker for a long time. He sounds great on a lot of things, but I remember the TV appearance mentioned in this article. I think Bernie supporters would especially care.

        http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/05/bookers_defense_of_wall_street.html

        Cory Booker may have riled liberal factions with his support of Bain Capital on “Meet The Press” last weekend, but his defense of Wall Street is more than just high-minded discourse.

        The Newark mayor has taken at least $491,000 in political contributions from the financial services industry in the last nine months — more than a third of his total fund-raising this election cycle.

      • greenmanTN

        This isn’t the first time I have voted for the lesser of two evils, nor, i suspect, will it be the last.

  • Parque_Hundido

    Anti-choice, pro-Wall Street and pro-TPP, Hillary is veering to the right just like Gore did in 2000.

    Their only redeeming quality is not being Trump.

    • sherman

      You are lying about his positions, so you’ve just made your opinion irrelevant.

      • Parque_Hundido

        You’re just another right wing Shillary. Yawn.

        • sherman

          Troll. Now blocked.

          • Parque_Hundido

            I hope you’ve blocked everyone who will blame you and the other Shillaries if Trump wins. Cover your ears. That always helps.

  • Gerry Fisher

    Just as long as he’s capable of trashing Pence in a debate, is all.

    • Steven Leahy

      That shouldn’t be hard. Bad as I think Hillary’s choice was, Donald’s was clearly worse.

  • bob

    So the DNC DID derail Bernie with dirty tricks. But, hell, let’s vote for the head crook anyway, right?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html?_r=0

  • Cyril

    Clinton had the opportunity to really light a fire to her campaign with a bold pick like Elizabeth Warren, bernie Sanders or Cory Booker…instead she put a wet blanket on any momentum she could have created with her pick heading into the convention. so disappointing

  • Michael Hampton

    Ugh. It’s like she is doing everything she can to lose. She should be running away with this election and she is barely squeaking by. A racist tangerine and a religious nut job are in a dead heat race with her!

  • Parque_Hundido

    The Shillaries are out in force. Clinton veered to the right, just like Gore in 2000. The VP candidate funded anti choice “crisis pregnancy centers” in VA while governor. ” Devout Catholic”, is there any doubt what that means for LGBTQ Americans?

    The only thing this ticket has going for it is not being Trump.

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