CANADA: Anglican Church Vote Against Allowing Same-Sex Marriage Reversed Due To Voting Error

The CBC reports:

Questions about the integrity of the voting process in which Anglicans narrowly rejected a resolution to allow same-sex marriage emerged Tuesday, leading to a stunning reversal of the result.

Some members stood up to say their votes had not been recorded during voting late Monday — when passage of the resolution failed by a single vote.

“That is an issue of concern,” said Archbishop Fred Hiltz, primate of the church. “We cannot leave this synod with this kind of confusion.”

To pass, the resolution required two-thirds of each of three orders — lay, clergy and bishops. The clergy failed to reach that threshold by one vote that was apparently not counted because it was counted in the lay order.

The error was discovered after delegates requested a detailed hard copy of the electronic voting records. Hiltz then declared the resolution in favour of same-sex marriage passed.

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  • Bryan Del Rizzo


  • Ernest Endevor


  • bkmn

    Good for them. I don’t care if a religion does not want to be LGBT friendly (unless they are taking tax dollars) but I will welcome any that are friends and allies.

  • William

    Was Karl Rove in charge of the ballots? Was Diebold tabulating them?

    • Hank

      If it was not an electronic vote, I would say that the error was due to some “hanging chads”!!! /s

      • m_lp_ql_m

        And believe me, Chad is well hung.

        • Hank

          Send him to me, as I could use a “Royal F___”

          • Balderdashing

            Wait till November, we may all get one.

          • William

            Just say no!

          • Mary Burnham

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        • Finally, the count is IN

      • Gregory In Seattle

        If it was an electronic vote, I bet they used a Diebold machine.

    • Mark

      those pesky dangling participles!

    • fuzzybits

      Being from Ohio I would say Ken Blackwell might be involved.

    • nocadrummer

      Maybe Steve Harvey?

  • Gustav2

    Wait, are they Republicans?

  • Alan43

    I did find it hard to believe Canadians would be that anti-gay

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      One religious denomination, does not a nation make. They may be anti-gay, but Canada most certainly is not.

      • Reality.Bites

        The Anglicans aren’t remotely anti-gay.

        • NZArtist

          … except for that whole not wanting gay people to participate in society thing.
          Which now, apparently, their imaginary friend has changed his unchanging opinion on.

        • m_lp_ql_m

          Not remotely, just closely.

        • Jonty Coppersmith

          The Canadian Anglicans and the American Anglicans ie Episcopalians are not anti-gay, but the worldwide Anglican Communion overall is anti-gay due largely to the African churches which is also the case with the Methodists.

          • m_lp_ql_m

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          • Phillip in L.A.

            I’ll take Products Made with High-Fructose Corn Syrup(*) for $200, Alex!

            (*) Except Coca-Cola from Mexico.

          • NZArtist

            They must be worshipping different imaginary friends, right?

        • Jean-Marc in Canada

          Hence the words “may be.” As an atheist, I pay no attention to the religious beyond ensuring they never gain power.

    • JaniceInToronto


      • rickhfx

        The death of critical thinking.

    • Gustav2

      As fewer and fewer people go to church, you are often left with just the conservatives.

      • PickyPecker

        Sortof a distilled hate effect.

    • kaydenpat

      Me too. Was a bit puzzled about the first post.

  • hiker_sf

    He works in mysterious ways. When he closes the door, a window magically opens. It’s all part of his plan.

    And he gives us these wonderful words to live by: There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. –Ezekiel 23:20

    • lymis

      Don’t forget “Nothing that enters a man by his mouth makes him unclean…”

      • JR


      • edrex

        how many morning have i spent trying to remind myself of that?

        • William

          How many stars are in the sky?

    • m_lp_ql_m

      Gee, I wonder when they voted on that.

      • Balderdashing

        Maybe they meant a revolving door.

      • Chucktech

        Hmm, I thought it was “When god closes a door, Satan opens a window.”

        • perversatile

          When God closes a door,
          he nails the windows shut
          and sets the house on fire

    • Rebecca Gardner

      “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” ~ Psalm 137:9

      • m_lp_ql_m

        So true. Nothing like a quick infant-dashing to pick up a slow day.

        • ..

          • Rebecca Gardner

            I love babies. I just can’t eat a whole one.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            They are easy to store

          • vorpal

            They are also just so versatile! (Ummm)

            The Christian ones in particular, I find, have an exquisite flavour. If you take a fresh baby cadaver, twist the head off, and scoop out the contents – which a priest recommended to me should be saved (but not born again) as they make for a nice treat when spread on warm buns – the skull cap makes for a stylish, modern serving vessel.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            I am getting so tired of having to search these threads when I need a quick and simple recipe for fresh vs frozen baby.
            Would someone please publish a comprehensive recipe book already ??

          • vorpal

            Oh… now you have given me an idea.
            Stay tuned.

          • (((GC)))

            That’s why we have snack crackers.

      • edrex

        especially if they’re on the same southwest flight.

      • David in Tucson

        For with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down.

        Why do I remember these words so well? When I was in college, the university choruses learned William Walton’s “Belshazzar’s Feast” and sang it with the local symphony orchestra. Fortunately, I haven’t swallowed the Bible hook, line, and sinker….

      • JCF

        Haven’t you ever been stuck by a crying baby on a flight? Be honest: who among us hasn’t had a similar thought?

    • motordog

      As true today as in the time when it was first written…

    • Ben in Oakland

      Sounds like my ex boyfriend.

  • Guess

    Nobody apologizes better than Canadians.

    • Karl Dubhe

      Sorry, but I don’t agree with you on that.

      • Ben in Oakland

        Pardon me, but You beat me to it.

    • FancyThat


    • Michael Bannon

      Sorry to post this.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    Kudos to them for acknowledging the error and then fixing it.

    • Love the double entendre that is that entire sentence.

  • SNORK!

  • MB

    Praise be !!!
    Secrecy in electronic voting., baloney.Own your vote.
    Intimidation and bullying – the tactics of bigots.
    Finally, can we move onward and start serving instead of fighting ????

    • DaveW

      Religion serves all right. Just not who the duped sheeple think

      • MB

        So I should stop feeding the hungry, helping and feeding the homeless, educating the illiterate and undereducated, buying clothes and gifts for poor children in my neighborhood ???

        Your pessimism, anger and puerile, childish remarks and insults should be directed at someone else.

        Have a nice day.

  • Robert Conner

    LOL. A 2/3rd’s vote by a church not to follow the Bible, the only reason there’s a church to begin with. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

    • Refugay

      Like they made the bible up?!

      • lymis

        Nah, the Catholics did that. The Anglicans invented divorce.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          If by “Anglicans” you mean Henry VIII….

          • William

            It caught on.

      • BobSF_94117

        In their defense, they stole most of it from other people.

    • lymis

      Yeah, all that pesky “Love your neighbor as yourself” and “In Christ there is neither male nor female” stuff that isn’t anywhere in the Bible.

      • Librarykid

        Sorry, but Leviticus 19:18, “Vay a-hav-ta l’ray-ekha ka mokha, ani Adonai. You shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.” By word count, this is the exact center of the Torah.

        • JCF

          I believe lymis is being sarcastic.

    • nycmcmike

      Or you could just figure out the Bible has been translated throughout the ages and the text has been altered to justify the bias of the day.

      • William

        The Bible only had the word “homosexual” put in around 1948. And, that’s only in some versions.

  • NZArtist

    Yay! Cult of crazy people vote to support the law of the land!
    Suddenly their imaginary friend wants to let gay people marry!
    It must have been what their imaginary friend wanted all the time….

  • shellback

    I still don’t care if voodoo practitioners approve of anything I do.

    • Mikey

      and it’s not meant to indicate approval of anything you do either.
      it’s approval and support for people who are members of this particular church.
      if you don’t like religion that’s perfectly fine.
      but some people apparently still feel a need for it.
      at least have a modicum of respect for them.

      • DaveW

        No. Respect for supporting what religion does? No, that’s stupid

        • Gene

          hospitals…schools…soup kitchens…opening their doors (the only place that would do so) so the men and women fighting back at Stonewall had a place to meet and plan (an Episcopal church did that)….no..not stupid. Religious people do bad things. Secular people do bad things. religion can and does lead to good (and bad) and secularism has done the same (good and bad).
          just celebrate that another church is doing the right thing
          1) we need all the allies we can get
          2) at least half of American GLBTs are religious, and no, we are not stupid

        • Mikey

          I didn’t ask you to have respect for the church.
          I suggested showing at least a modicum of respect for those who still felt the need to believe.

  • another_steve

    Look, whatever works.

    I suspect that many of the advances in the history of humankind have come about as the result of small fuck-ups corrected just in time.

    The night I met my husband I had misplaced my house keys and came this close to not going out that evening due to my inability to lock the apartment door on the way out. But then — after one final search — the keys appeared and I went to the dance.

    The dance where I met my man, 42 years ago. 😉

    • Sporkfighter

      No way that could have been a coincidence. God must have made you look one more time.

      • Ray Taylor

        Dog hid the key from you long enough for your man to be to dump that crazy one following him around. Perspective.

  • sequel

    cheers canada! several more denominations and religions need to join in, but each one means more gay kids growing up in a supportive environment

  • kaydenpat

    Well that’s good, I guess. At least they’re moving in the right direction.

  • Bill

    Please do hurry it along.

    My man and I have put our impending nuptials on hold pending the voting results of fucking idiots.

    • Mikey

      so go to the United Church of Canada instead. they’ve been open to LGBT people for years, and have been pretty much the only religion fighting tooth and nail for LGBT inclusion and equality.

      • DaveW

        But it’s still
        Bat shit razy. Why go to either, unless you are crazy?

        • Gene

          why so rude on purpose Dave? I hate it when bigots say “being gay is a sign of mental ill health! you are crazy if your gay”….with no basis but their hatred.

          I am getting sick of YOUR saying “being religious is a sign of crazyiness!” …with no basis but your hatred of religion.

          not interested in religion? fine. But attacking those who are gay and are, and the churches that are GLBT friendly, and ones like the United Church in Canada, and United Church of Christ here, or the Disciples of Christ, who sued NC for the right to marry same sex couples, etc etc, is not help, its kind of rude, and really unhelpful.

          got a deep seated problem with something that leads to this level of animosity? see a therapist, please!

          • JCF

            Because it’s DaveW. Like a few others here (looking at you NZA and JoeHo), he seems to think that what HARMLESS thoughts going on in other people’s heads—thoughts that they cannot persuade people away from—are his business. Feh. My private thoughts affect others no more than my private sex life: NEITHER are anyone else’s business, thankyouveryfuckingmuch!

      • Edmund Allin

        But… but… they’re basically methodists and presbyterians. :p

    • Ben in Oakland

      It doesn’t get finally approved until 2019. I’d go elsewhere, if you are in any kind of leisurely stroll,

  • rickhfx

    This changes nothing, It does not delete our history of abuse by those bigots yesterday today or tommorow, or the cult and the fictional book where they get all their hate from.

  • Karl Dubhe

    Sigh. I’m still not going back to church.

    • Steve Teeter

      Someone said that one of the great pleasures of being an adult is NOT going to church on Sunday morning.

    • JCF

      We’ll leave a candle burnin’ for ya. ;-p

  • Sam_Handwich

    i hate it when that happens

  • lymis

    Go Canada!

  • JT
    • motordog

      There’s a handful of ‘religious’ people I respect…Desmond is on that list…

      • jacklk

        Desmond Tutu is in line for sainthood, IMHO.
        One of his key accomplishments was preventing South Africa from spiraling into violent retribution during the transition to majority rule through the idea of trying the “Truth and Reconciliation” commissions. Who would have thought this could work?

    • Gene

      no…sounds like the modern, mature Christianity that he and millions of others practice,

    • JCF

      To Desmond (and Yours Truly), it “Sounds Like the Gospel” [GOOD news]

  • 2karmanot

    Jesus approves!

  • BobSF_94117

    OMG! I hope we can call back the attack helicopters!!!

  • Statistics Palin

    Cue a shit fit from the African episcopate.

    • Mikey

      this only affects the Anglican church in Canada. The church in England is forbidden by law (not church law, actual governmental law) from performing same-sex marriages.
      so there’s no reason for any sort of fit, shit or otherwise, from Africa.

      • DaveW

        You said reason. Ha ha ha ha

      • Ben in Oakland

        That was one of the glorious moments in the battle for marriage equality in England. The church said, “we don’t want to be forced to perform these marriages”, and Cameron said, “you’re gonna get your wish, and be excluded from the process entirely. You will have no cause for complaint.

        And that was their biggest complaint, that they were taken out of the question: “But THAT isn’t what we meant!”

      • ChrisMorley

        African Anglicans still have a serious shit fit about US Episcopal Anglicans approving marriage equality, so they will certainly have a shit fit about Canadian Anglicans doing the same.

        Despite the legal barrier in England, the Church of England is slowly working towards accepting marriage equality
        The legal barriers can and will all be removed, at the church’s request, by Parliament.
        Meanwhile the United Reformed Church in the UK has just approved marriage equality
        and the UK Methodists are edging slowly towards the possibility of marriage equality

        • JCF

          And the Scottish Episcopal Church will soon have marriage equality also.

      • JCF

        AS IF that would stop them! [Anglican shit fits will occur in parts of Africa, Asia, the Americas, and of course, Blimey. Homophobic shit fitters are everywhere…as are also LGBT Anglicans!]

  • Sporkfighter

    Anglicans and Catholics both have their clerical errors. The Anglicans fix theirs. If the Catholics would fix theirs, they’d have fewer repeat offenders.

  • BearEyes

    So the bigots tried pull a fast one and it got exposed?

    • William

      You make it sound so dirty.

      • BearEyes

        I try 😉

  • nycmcmike

    Odd how “Thou Shall Not Lie” and “Thou Shall Not Bare False Witness Against Thy Neighbor” goes out the window with these religious people when their hatred needs to be justified.

  • LovesIrony

    ah the church that was established because a girl child was born.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Oh My God what a glorious day! NOT!!!

  • Elsewhere1010

    Hey! There is a God!! (Well, probably not, but it’s good news nonetheless.)

  • edrex


  • Thank goodness for, at least, a little bit of good news this week. I was starting to think all was lost.

  • TrollopeReader

    Every vote matters.

  • David in Tucson

    Good. They had the integrity to double-check.

  • BeaverTales

    Somebody lied for Jesus? Color me surprised………………………………..

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    If I ever chose to marry, I wouldn’t dream of doing it with this religious organization.

    • JCF

      Um, why? Because they have the occasional computer glitch? [Good thing no other institutions ever experience THAT! /s]

  • Phillip in L.A.

    Surprising news, everyone!

  • MBear

    “hey, gays: fuck you…just kidding”

  • DaveW

    The leader is a primate? That’s funny, given the level of simpleton required

    • Natty Enquirer

      The ecclesiastical use is far older, dating from the 13th century. The biological sense was devised by Linnaeus in 1876. And you will know who he was if you’re not a simpleton.

      • I may indeed be a simpleton, but I always thought Linnaeus died in 1778. And that the Systema Naturae was published in 1735.

        • Edmund Allin

          You may both be right. Linnaeus wrote in Latin; the usage in English may date to a later time.

  • cokey

    Now, about Brexit.

  • Falconlights

    Wonderful. Just great for those Anglicans who wish to marry in the church in Canada.

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  • JCF


    [And what have we learned, everyone, about how EVERY VOTE COUNTS??? See re November!]

    The Anglican Church of Canada can now look forward to being sent (by the dismal Archbishop of Canterbury) to the Time-Out Corner, where my church, the Episcopal Church, resides (Hey, it’s were All the Kool Kids wanna be!).

    In time, however, the Time-Out Corner will grow and grow, leaving only remnant, bitter phobes alone w/ their bile (too bad, so sad). Whereas in Wedding Central, it will be only pure JOY! Again I say: Hallelujah! 😀

    • joe ho

      Sorry to break it to you but Christers aren’t the Kool Kids.

      • JCF

        Good thing we’re not “Christers”, but Episcopalians (your “imaginary enemies”).

        • joe ho

          lol. trouble is you’re christers.

  • Cool beans! Congratulations to the Anglican Church in Canada for becoming a smidgen more civilized!

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