BRITAIN: Tory Candidate For Prime Minister Says Marriage Should Just Be For Christians [VIDEO]

The Independent reports:

Andrea Leadsom has admitted that she “didn’t really like” the gay marriage law passed in 2013 because of the “clear hurt” it caused to Christians.

In an interview after her speech in Westminster, Ms Leadsom, a Conservative leadership contender, said that she did not like the same-sex marriage legislation and would have preferred for it to include civil partnerships for heterosexual people.

She told ITV: “I believe the love of same-sex couples is as every bit as valuable that of opposite sex couples – absolutely committed to that. But nevertheless, my own view actually, is that marriage in the biblical sense is very clearly from the many many Christians who wrote to me on this subject – in their opinion – can only be between a man and a woman.”

Asked whether she agreed with them, Ms Leadsom added: “No I don’t actually agree with them. I don’t agree with them to be specific. But what I do think is that I would have preferred for civil partnerships to be available to heterosexual and gay couples and for marriage to have a remained a Christian service for men and women who wanted to commit in the eyes of God.

As you’ll see in the clip below, Leadsom goes on to say that she “absolutely” supports marriage for gay couples. But just not the same legal marriage that Christians get, apparently. Leadsom was a vocal proponent for Brexit despite having vigorously opposed it just a couple of years ago.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Conservative Leadership.

    Because.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Except marriage, as it is known today, isn’t a Christian construct, it’s the co-opted Roman Pagan ritual of matrimonium, which pre-dates Christianity by over 300 years. So no Miss Fuckadoodle Cunty, marriage is not the purview of Christians and, more importantly, Christians need to shut up about it.

    • David

      And ultimately, in modern society it functions as a business contract, whether its done in a church or a courthouse.

      • cleos_mom

        Not to mention the fact that “marriage” is a legal term here. It’s used in the legal branches of family law, tax law, probate law, criminal law and real estate law.

        If the population had continued to fall for the civil unions scam, we’d be seeing lawsuits over discrimination defended on the grounds that the plaintiff’s weren’t really married according to the law. And the defendants would be legally correct.

    • JaniceInToronto

      Oohhhh! Miss Fuckadoodle Cunty!

      I’m gonna have to rename my goldfish…

      • Joe in PA

        I’m thinking…my new drag name.

    • zhera

      I wonder what she thinks of the marriage of Jesus’ parents. Was it acceptable enough to be called marriage?

    • And the church refused to have anything to do with marriage for about 1000 years. When they finally did they proclaimed it a sacrament and pretended they had invented it and had it all along.

      • David Walker

        Reminds me of what the Soviets used to say about anything they liked, “We invented it.”

        • cleos_mom

          Or the church congregations and clergy who, in the 1950s and 1960s, defended racial segregation on biblical grounds and now claim they were for equality all along.

          • David Walker

            History…it isn’t what it was.

    • BobSF_94117

      It wasn’t a pagan Roman ritual, it was a Roman legal act utterly independent of religion.

      • Ernest Endevor

        I think that’s why the Primitive Church rejected it and refused to conduct marriages.

        • BobSF_94117

          The early church rejected marriage because they rejected sex and family. Jesus’ return was “imminent” and worldly things like horniness and off-spring were to be avoided. A wave of asceticism swept the world in those centuries, starting off as the not-bad idea of eschewing material wealth in India or thereabouts and — as it passed through the Middle East — morphing into something bizarre (and it wasn’t the first or the last good idea that metastasized in that region of the world).

          • Ernest Endevor

            I made that comment because I did a lot of research into the Plymouth colony which modeled itself on the Primitive Church. They didn’t conduct marriages either. They were also communists – which I think is hilarious.

          • BobSF_94117

            The Plymouth colonists got a lot wrong. (As did the early church.)

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Actually, the rite was performed under the auspices of Juno ( other epthets: Pronuba and Cinxia), Goddess of Love and Matrimonium. You can look this shit up you know.

        • BobSF_94117

          Yes, you can. Romans married under the auspices of Juno in religious ceremonies BUT it wasn’t required. Marriages in other faiths and marriages between people of different faiths were also legally recognized and did not necessarily require the Roman religious aspect. At least not until the Christians started taking over the law and insisting everything had to be done their way.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            In other word, we’re both right…..so why did you feel the need to be a dick about it in the first place?

          • BobSF_94117

            Not sure what’s dickish about “It wasn’t a pagan Roman ritual, it was a Roman legal act utterly independent of religion.” But if it appeared dicksih in its directness, I apologize.

    • Falconlights

      Of course it was. Much of their mythos and imagery comes from Paganism.

  • MikeBx2

    Sounds familiar. Separate but equal?

  • Sean

    Except British laws & rights do not apply to “Christian” tax payers & citizens only. That would be illegal.

    • crewman

      Not to mention, there are no doubt Christian branches even in Britain who would want marriage to apply to same-sex couples as well.

      • Dazzer

        The Quakers are actively lobbying to make it easier for them to perform marriages in their meeting houses. The Methodists are now convening a conference (which will take years to report) to look into performing same-sex marriages in their churches.

        • Robert Pierce

          The Unitarians in the UK allow gay couples to marry in their place of worship as does reformed Judaism.

  • bkmn

    I’m not a fan of Theresa May but after seeing what Andrea Leadsom is like I hope May wins.
    BBC bios:
    May http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36660372
    LeadASS http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36676170

    • Circ09

      I kinda don’t. I kinda think the Tory party deserves Leadsom. They put Brexit in motion. They should own it now. Let the other parties deal with what the Tories have become. Too bad the citizenry is so fucked by bad leadership all the way round.

      • Eh

        Except half of the Tories wanted to remain? Including most of the leadership?

        • Circ09

          That leadership didn’t get the job done though, did they? So why should the losers get to call the shots now? The rank-in-file leave voters in England/Wales are idiots. But this is part of the consequences the Tories wrought with this stupid ref. They should never be allowed to forget it. Tie Leadsom around their fucking necks.

  • Todd E.

    Yeah, fuck her.

    • Not if she were the last person left on earth.

      • Todd20036

        And the sheep were all sick with the flu that evening.

  • WebSlinger

    Lady it is 2016 and EVERYONE is tired of hearing this rhetoric…

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mLjdVtEaoXk/U3zZHNUFFMI/AAAAAAAAEwA/4GVBhKZA3RQ/s1600/notthisshitagain.gif

  • JT

    Tories are going full freak. Where are the teabags?

    • Gustav2

      TEABAGS?!!! Are you daft? You can lose you UK citizenship for using a teabag.

      • Loose tea only for a proper cuppa tea!

    • Adam King

      That woman is the teabag.

  • Blake Jordan

    So non-christian, heterosexual couples are not allowed to get married either?

    • No marriage for them, only civil unions. Finally their animus is laid open for all to see, and it’s as ugly as we all feared it was.

      • cleos_mom

        And if it ever became a legal reality, the fan would spray copious amounts of shit on people who thought it would never, ever happen to them.

  • PLAINTOM

    Does she not recognize the marriage of Mary and Joseph because they certainly weren’t Christians ?

  • David L. Caster

    The U.K. Is fucked. Idiot Torys got themselves into this mess and don’t have the intestinal fortitude to get themselves out of it.

    • Circ09

      Agreed. It’s not like the Labour party is a shining example of leadership though either. But I think the UK crack-up is just a preview to what will be happening soon here in America.

      • David L. Caster

        That may very well be so. That a con-man like Trump could be nominated for POTUS by a major party is certainly an ominous sign.

    • Gustav2

      And let us bring us marriage equality to muddy the waters.

      • David L. Caster

        It’s a right-wing talking point to score points with the UK’s equivalent of the US’s teavangelicals. It’s yet another sick gambit on the part of the idiots that can’t stand that the world is leaving them behind.

  • madknits

    I’m sure all the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists in England would love to have a “Christian marriage”/
    Stupid bint. Qus ‘imekh.

    • Hank

      C.I.A. WorldFactBook:
      Christian (includes Anglican, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist) 59.5%, Muslim 4.4%, Hindu 1.3%, other 2%, unspecified 7.2%, none 25.7% (2011 est.)

      • Ken

        Worldwide:

      • StillALiberal

        Those figures are not estimates – CIA Factbook is quoting the actual 2011 UK Census replies.

    • HanyBaal

      Apt, but no need for the terminal H in “your mother”. k-sound, not Kh as in yacht.

      • madknits

        I studied Biblical, not Modern Hebrew. We used Thomas O. Lambdin’s text, and when transliterating from Hebrew to English, he would have underlined the kaf sofit, to show a kh sound. Since I can’t do diacriticals on the keyboard I was using, I opted for the /kh/.

        • HanyBaal

          I’m sure your Hebrew is impeccable. The words and conjugation addressed were appropriated from Arabic (all 3: Bint, Qus & Imek)

          • madknits

            The Brits have appropriated “bint” so I thought I’d throw it in there. I could have called her a slag. Probably should have.
            I have studied Arabic, but not as extensively as Hebrew. Hebrew has no curse words so they’ve borrowed them from Arabic. You know what “qus” means, and “imekh” (with the /h/ at the end) is Hebrew for “your mother’s”. So even though I was using all Arabic words, I was using them in a Hebrew, since I am not yet competent enough in Arabic to use them in that language.

    • cleos_mom

      That was my first reaction.

  • skyweaver

    I prefer my bigotry more naked, I think. The patronizing “you’re just as good as us, but it’s only us that get marriage” is pretty awful.

  • TampaZeke

    Another elected official who has somehow come to the conclusion that the purpose of laws is to protect the fragile feelings of fundamentalist Christians and other bigots.

    Notice, she didn’t say a word about the feelings of the vast majority of Christians in the UK who support marriage equality.

  • Chris

    There’s something about allowing straight people to also have access to civil partnerships, while not allowing Gays to have access to marriage, that rubs me the wrong way.

  • The Sentinel

    Bigotry with a smile.

  • PickyPecker
  • AtticusP

    Maggie Thatcher, but without her famous warmth and charm. /S

    • Or her giant purse.

  • Blake Jordan

    Religion is irrelevant to CIVIL marriage!!!!

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    No, bitch.

  • bsinps

    Selfesh bint!

  • Sam_Handwich
    • PickyPecker

      getting some good use out of that one today, Candidate Handwich!!! 🙂

  • David

    And here we go…

  • WebSlinger
  • clay

    Paging Ms. Panti Bliss, Ms. Panti Bliss to the pink courtesy telephone.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    There you have it folks. The heart of the Global RWNJ Bigot Assholes goals. This world only exists for White, Straight, Christians.

    Fuck you and fuck your mythology.

    • clay

      nationalist breeders.

    • Circ09

      And despite who may win PM she is more representative of rank-and-file Tories than Teresa May. Otherwise, Brexit wouldn’t have happened.

    • JaniceInToronto

      How did the spa turn out?

      • Rebecca Gardner

        You mean my hair appointment last weekend? Awesome!!! Chopped of 8″ of hair, now it is about clavicle length, and I’m getting tons and tons of compliments on it. 🙂

      • Librarykid

        Speaking of “spa,” her face looks like it was boiled with her Christmas pudding. Jews were getting married centuries before there were such things as Chrstians. If she were to try to take marriage away from Jews; she would be dismembered by every Jewish woman in the UK; Jewish men, probably would not care so much.

    • JT

      I want to see “high” and “low” church xtians duke it out. Just like old times. Beheadings can’t be far behind.

      • cleos_mom

        Are there any Thirty Years War re-enactors in the UK? That would be an educational way to relive the goodoledays at any rate.

    • 2karmanot

      Gives the Bronze Age a bad name

      • Geneva Powell

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        • Skokieguy [Larry]

          Honey, maybe your roommate Amber should rethink the car and get her own damn apartment?

    • LarryChemEngr

      She can dress it up all she wants, but she is still just a religious bigot.

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      I don’t know, kind of makes me feel good that other supposedly first world, civilized countries are also filled with bigoted assholes. Lately it seems like the US had cornered the market.

  • barrixines

    You’ve missed out all her work with in Uganda with the usual anti-gay Christers.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/andrea-leadsoms-ugandan-project-has-ties-to-an-anti-gay-chri?utm_term=.tiyRz3jAb#.tfAJD3wEA

  • bryan

    Anti gay christians are not ‘hurt’ by our equal rights. They have no feelings to hurt. They just want control, and to make the rest of the world as neurotic, bitter and miserable as they are.

  • PLAINTOM

    Dear Bigot : We were here long before your cult was formed and we will be here long after it is gone and forgotten.

    • Gindy51

      No it must never be forgotten, it must be remembered so it never happens again!

  • TampaZeke

    As my sainted Scottish grandmother would say, “Silly old faggot!”, which meant, “Cranky old bitch!”

  • SoCalVet

    she puts the nicest face possible on extreme anti-LGBT hatred.

    • Adam King

      A camel wearing a feedbag has a nicer face.

  • Jerry Hinnant

    My God a female Trump. ” I against it …no I’m for it..no I’m against it but they should have the same rights but not marriage, but I’m really ok with gay marriage,but not really…wait what did I say last?”

  • Harvey888

    The Brits have left themselves at the mercy of the Tories, without the guarantees of human/employee rights provided by the EU. Labour appears to be in total disarray, so there’s that. Not a pretty picture moving forward.

  • Octavio

    What a clear thinker. /s

  • Eh

    I think you’re misreading her point. It seems she wanted to separate the legal and religious sides of marriage apart, and leave the state dealing with the legal partnership part and religions dealing with the religious partnership part.
    I don’t share her view but I can respect that at least, especially since under it Christian churches who wished to perform gay marriages would be allowed to do so.

    • Sam_Handwich

      marriage has been a civil institution since in England since the Marriage Act of 1836

    • barrixines

      I am not sure how you got that from it. The state doesn’t deal with the religious side of marriage in the UK beyond forbidding the Church of England to officiate over same sex marriages.

      • George Waite

        You mean that they STILL don’t have separation of church and state? LOL!!!

    • Gustav2

      A religious ceremony is not necessary for a heterosexual marriage.

    • Stev84

      It’s the US that can’t keep legal and religious marriage apart. Most other countries don’t have that problem.

      Britain is a bit in the middle since some clergy can perform legally valid marriages. But there are also state employed secular officiants and they are very popular these days.

  • Rod Steely

    Why do these idiots keep acting like the marriages in the Bible were all Brady Bunch? Read your own fucking book! Or do I need to sick Betty Bowers America’s Best Christian on you?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

  • Biblical marriage? You mean the one where you go to a respectable man in the village and buy as many of his daughters as you can afford?

    Edited to add: Gods, this woman is just plain stupid.

    • Rex

      I’ve been saving goats for that very purpose. I need someone to help clean up after the goats.

      • You’d better hope he doesn’t insist on cattle.

        • Rex

          I don’t need a looker, just good upper body strength.

  • billbear1961

    Civil marriage is none of a bigoted Christer’s interfering business!

    Too goddamned BAD if their feelings of superiority were hurt–too goddamned BAD!!

    There IS no “separate-but-equal” marriage, FASCIST!!

    The next PM of the UK??

    What a DISGRACE!!

    • Gustav2

      They still think they own the word “marriage.”

      • They think they own everything in “Christendom”, and its up to the rest of us to show them just how wrong they are!!!

      • billbear1961

        Well, they don’t–and their record of DIVORCE and multiple remarriages PROVES, even in the eyes of their JESUS, that they wouldn’t be worthy to own it even if they could!!

        • George Waite

          worship the ALMIGHTY CAP and HIS son, the EXCLAMATION !!!!

    • Eh

      It won’t be her, Theresa May is the clear favourite in polling of the Tory membership, and amongst their MPs.

      • barrixines

        I am not so sure about that. She’s got all the right talking points for the Tory blue rinse set.

        • Eh

          twitter.com/britainelects/status/750303575843241984

          • barrixines

            Yes at the moment, There’s two months to go. There is already a great deal of groundswell support for her. The bigots commenting on the British news sites are loving her.

          • Eh

            Most of those comments are not going to be from Conservative party members though, they’re probably kippers

          • barrixines

            Here’s a sample of the kind of Tory she is appealing to (from the Guardian comments)

            Guardian readers,

            The British public have spoken. When we, the Tory grassroots
            Brexiteer members elect Leadsom as PM. Your advertorial will go into
            meltdown.

            People are fed up of your contempt for the working class plebs and
            defence of Islam despite presenting yourselves as Feminists and LGBT
            crusaders. Always caught up in your own contradicting dogmas.

            Your ship is sinking, the liberal ship will Remain, but the
            Guardian/BBC et al progressive sort are done for in politics. No more
            will you be allowed to storm out of debates when you disagree or shout
            racist to defuse an argument.

            A new dawn of politics has awoken as predicted.

        • billbear1961

          It’s what I had read (about May), too, until your news, b!

          • barrixines

            Excuse the analogy but it’s a choice between two turds on which one has the most sweetcorn in it.

          • billbear1961

            *puts coffee down*

          • Circ09

            Perfectly stated.

        • billbear1961

          I also read this about May, thanks to a link provided by Shy!

          The frontrunner, Theresa May, communicates something horrifying, not through her appearance, but rather her unique expression of unwavering, furious disgust.

          It is the expression Lucifer wore when the other angels attempted an intervention.

          Bizarrely, it looks like she’ll be involved in a runoff against Andrea Leadsom, who was created by Nazi scientists as a response to Dame Vera Lynn.

          https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/05/tory-leadership-election-x-factor-choosing-antichrist-brexit-frankie-boyle

      • billbear1961

        How much better is SHE?

        Shy Guy tells me that she is guilty of lies and distortions in her campaign against the Human Rights Act of 1998. Many Tories want it altered, changed, watered down.

        Fortunately, again informed by the intrepid Shy, I’m told THAT Act is probably safe from con interference because it is an essential part of the peace achieved in Northern Ireland.

        • Eh

          May was a big proponent of marriage equality when the law was passing through parliament.
          And whilst she dislikes the HRA (because in her role as home secretary it made it hard for her to deport convicted terrorists) there’s almost certainly not a parliamentary majority in favour. Since the government’s majority is only 12, a tiny backbench rebellion causes their defeat.

          • billbear1961

            Well, she IS better, then, at least in regard to her respect for equality.

            I had forgotten the size of the Tory majority, thanks!

            With a change in PM, won’t there be pressure for a general election? (The Leader is changing, and people voted for the Tories when they knew Cameron would be PM.)

            It could also be the way out of Brexit. If many MPs run on a Remain platform and outnumber Leavers in the next Parliament, they can ignore the nonbinding referendum!

          • Circ09

            I think people are mostly afraid of a snap election being called. It could have even more disastrous and unintended results right now given how much disarray the Labour party is also in.

          • billbear1961

            Yes, I hadn’t thought of that!

            Jesus, what an appalling MESS!

          • ChrisMorley

            There is now a law setting the timing of UK general elections, every five years.
            The Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 provides for general elections to be held on the first Thursday in May every five years. This means the next election is due in early May 2020.
            However, there are two provisions that trigger an election sooner:
            – a motion of no confidence is passed in Her Majesty’s Government by a simple majority and 14 days elapses without the House passing a confidence motion in any new Government formed;
            – a motion for a general election is agreed by two thirds of the total number of seats in the Commons including vacant seats (currently 434 out of 650).
            http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/

          • Robert Pierce

            Everything is up in the air. May said she’d trigger A50 by year’s end, Leadsom would do it immediately if she becomes PM. That’s why the Leavers want her, a Brexit led government. Both delude themselves when they say they want access to the single market. That won’t happen since freedom of movement is non-negotiable, one of the four freedoms to access it. Many of us believed May would go for an EEA, the best solution to salvage the damage already done but would require freedom of movement, just like Norway. To me personally, there are only two other options left for the UK, i.e. a CETA arrangement similar to what Canada has just negotiated after 7 long years with limited access to the single market, but financial services, our biggest export to the EU which would be severely hindered, or it will just have to rely on a a WTO agreement, the most favoured by the diehard Eurosceptics which wouldn’t be beneficial either in terms of unpicking the myriad EU trade arrangements it has with the world and having to renegotiate with the WTO which could take a few years. It’s director general, Roberto Azevêdo signalled this would not be straightforward. He said a British exit from the EU would lead to unprecedented negotiations between the UK and the Geneva-based institution’s 161 other members.

            Britain joined the WTO under the auspices of the EU and its terms of membership have been shaped by two decades of negotiations led by Brussels. If Britain voted to leave the EU it would not be allowed to simply “cut and paste” those terms,

            There is no quick fix or easy solution. Brexit is in a deep hole and its not going to have an easy time digging itself out, if at all.

        • Circ09

          May is terrible on individual privacy and believes in a police state. Shows how fucking nuts things are over there that people are actually happy she will be PM.

          • billbear1961

            Shy doesn’t like her, either!

            The more I learn about her the more I understand why.

        • As I recall, it was Theresa May who steered marriage equality through Parliament. Certainly she was the one being vilified by its opponents.

          • Robert Pierce

            Actually, she didn’t steer it through Parliament. It was first led by our Liberal Democrat heroine Lynne Featherstone. Tory MP Maria Miller took over and carried it through the Commons and did an excellent job, as did her fellow Tory, Muslim Baroness Warsi declined to carry it through the upper chamber and instead, Tory Baroness Tina Stowell replaced her in the Lords where it found huge support. It didn’t even require a vote in third and final reading, but merely by loud acclamation to pass.

          • Thank you. I stand corrected.

          • Robert Pierce

            You’re most welcome.

        • Robert Pierce

          I don’t much care for some of her policies but of the two, she’s far brighter, has more experience as the most senior member of Cameron’s cabinet. I never thought I’d live to see the day when I was ‘supporting’ a Tory for PM, but she’s the lesser of the two evils. Unlike the inept and fraudulent Leadsom, May at least came to supporting same-sex marriage and made a video for the ‘Out for Marriage’ campaign while Leadsom abstained.

          May recently announced that the UK would not be leaving the ECHR after all and has abandoned plans to do it. Leadsom wants the opposite.

    • It’s not only a disgrace, but a filthy lie that perpetuates violence and hatred and misunderstanding between the straights and the rest of us. The time has passed when the xtians ruled the western world, and its time for a more understanding and yes a more moral way of looking at our fellow humans. Humans come in different colors, different sexuality, different genders and different religions, embrace our differences. Celebrate our differences. Rejoice in our vibrant bouquet that humans are.

    • coram nobis

      She also has the impression, and with some reason, that the Church of England is the official Church of England. Of course, the C of E is a bit divided right now on the subject of marriage, and the C of E was founded by that apostle of marriage Henry VIII in order to clarify his marriages. And then they got an official bible courtesy of King James I, the biggest fairy of the Protestant Reformation.

      Isn’t it wonderful to have moral certainty in these uncertain times?

      ANDREA LEADSOME: Nothing that’s grim! Nothing that’s Greek!
      DAVID CAMERON: She plays Medea later this week.

      • billbear1961

        MAN that is born of a woman hath but a short time to live, and is full of misery. He cometh up, and is cut down, like a flower; he fleeth as it were a shadow, and never continueth in one stay. In the midst of life we are in DEATH . . .

        • 2karmanot

          And he’th inheriteth too many cedillas.

        • LackofFaithify

          wait…I thought the defeat of death and path to eternal life was the entire point of god coming and nailing a virgin, giving birth to himself/son, and then being homeless for a few years and offering himself up as a human sacrifice to himself so that his law could be…oh fuck it, how can any buy that shit? lol.

          • cleos_mom

            In Jesus’ time, a lot of that would have sounded familiar to the Gentiles, especially the Yahweh worshippers who frequented the Jerusalem Temple’s ‘Court of the Gentiles’ and were among the earliest converts.

            The idea of a sacrifice to petition the god/desses or atone for wrongdoing was universal in the Roman Empire of the first century C.E. and probably much of the rest of the world as well: it was one of the few things the Jews had in common with pagans. So Jesus’ execution as a de facto sacrifice made sense to people at that time. The necessity today of suspending several tons of disbelief directly over one’s head is an example of the pitfalls of religions that claim to be historical: that was a huge advantage 2,000 years ago but doesn’t exactly age well.

          • Librarykid

            And in how many pagan myths does a god impregnate a virgin? It’s like how similar the creation story in Genesis is to the other creation myths in the same time and region. As for defeating death, what else are you going to do with a dead messiah but make the story into a death cult?

        • George Waite

          and CAPS!!!

      • William
    • Kruhn

      She’s the second highest polled candidate add of right now.

    • Librarykid

      This is the best they can come up with? It’s like the result of cleaning out a grease trap.

  • Stev84

    Britain already tried having a Christian fanatic leader with Tony Blair. That didn’t work out so well.

  • zhera

    What she’s talking about already exists: Holy matrimony. But she wants there to be a legal difference where christians are superior to everyone else.

    Sorry, ain’t gonna happen.

  • Rex

    Because God created marriage when he pronounced Adam and Eve “man and wife”. It was a lovely garden wedding, right under the apple tree. The bride wore, well, actually the bride was naked until they served apples at the reception.

  • Rocco

    Of course you people can have these crumbs, as long as my group stays in the privileged position with all the perks….

  • Statistics Palin

    Many Christian churches perform same-sex marriage.
    Therefore, someone in the government will have to decide who is and who is not Christian. Looks like it’s time for another religious civil war in England.

    • Circ09

      Only this time the Catholics and Anglicans would be on the same side!

      • Gustav2

        The Catholics, the Anglicans and the Puritans…

        • George Waite

          And the Orthodox.

  • David Lightman

    If you can be [butt]hurt but the legal bonds and lifestyle choices of others that doesn’t directly impact you in any way, then you’re both a bigot and insecure about your own beliefs if you require society to validate them.

  • Bad Tom

    So exactly what “hurt” have these anti-gay Christians experienced?
    Butt-hurt?
    We’ve got just the thing.

  • sfbob

    What a clueless pawn this woman is. Not only is marriage NOT the exclusive property of Christians, even RELIGIOUS marriage is not and has never been the exclusive property of Christians. What does she propose for Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and any others who include a religious component in their marriage ceremonies?

    • coram nobis

      It was always a subject for farce in England, starting with Henry VIII and ending up with Gilbert & Sullivan.

      Judge: … that rich attorney my character high,
      Tried vainly to disparage —

      Jury: No!

      Judge: Yes!
      So now if you please I’m ready to try
      This breach of promise of marriage!
      — Gilbert & Sullivan, “Trial by Jury”

  • boatboy_srq

    UK (unlike some countries) still has an official faith (Church of England), which makes this question a bit messier than places that don’t have a declared faith.

    With that said, I do hope she realizes she’s just offended every Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Jewish or other nonXtian UK citizen with her little tirade. One can only imagine how may votes she’s lost the Tories with this.

    ETA: it’s also possible she’s done real damage to the UK’s position in the Commonwealth – which with Brexit is now the UK’s biggest single open market.

    • Reality.Bites

      The Commonwealth is not a free trade agreement. British goods don’t flow more freely to Canada and Australia than to the United States. Canada does not have a free trade agreement with any Commonwealth countries.

      • boatboy_srq

        True. But it is a more integrated entity than anything the UK is part of post-Brexit – and the Conservatives seem bound and determined to poison that as well.

  • barrixines

    Basically we are watched the hard right coup Brexit was really about. I say again – every leftwinger who voted out – and there were many . is a fucking traitor.

    • Dazzer

      I could not agree more.

    • Circ09

      I totally agree. The ‘Average Joe’ leave voter just fucked their own interests. But it is also representative that the major political parties are not taking care of and listening to the needs of everyday working class people. So this reckoning was inevitable. And coming soon to America. Now I’m interested to see if Spain can actually form a government to get things done.

      • barrixines

        It’s interesting – and heartening – that Spain has bucked the European trend and not seen the rise of the far right in response to the economic crisis. The protest has come from the left.

        • Circ09

          Too many in Spain still alive that remember real fascism? That would be my guess.

          • LaChatSayWha

            Bingo. 40+ years of Franco and non-Godwin Fascism would have that effect.

  • Hank

    Britain may have been changing in its views towards other people, since the fall of the British Empire. However, looking at the way, that they treated people in the lands that they conquered…. from India and Pakistan, to the Middle East (Iraq, Palestine, Egypt) to Africa and the Caribbean ….. they were the racists and homophobic. (Most of their former colonies still have the British anti-Gay laws in place!) Britain has always been Xenophobic!!!

  • Claudio Santos

    So, marriage is, in her view, a christian invention and should be granted exclusively to christian couples, is that it?

    • William

      The couple is not truly married until the chicken is waved over the bride’s head.

  • justmeeeee

    The state should be involved in ONLY civil partnerships for EVERYONE and let the wacko religiosos do as they please with no legal benefits whatsoever.

    • Kate

      That would have been a reasonable division from the very start of our country’s legal system, but given how pervasively marriage is written into law and social expectations it’s simply not practical.

      • justmeeeee

        RIght, but in an ideal world it would be written OUT of law. Tell the religious freaks they can have it all for themselves, but it won’t come with any legal rights unless they also have civil partnership. How can they resist the idea of keeping marriage only for the churchies?

  • infmom

    A religious ceremony, no matter how long or how fervent, does not marry people. The religious officiant could carry on for a week, but without the authority vested in the officiant by the secular state… too bad, baby. As the pastor who married us 43+ years ago said, the only thing that makes a legal marriage is the right signatures on the right paperwork. Everything else is optional.

  • Todd Allis

    I would like to introduce her to a Gay Christian married couple, just to see what she’d say about them. She would probably try to claim they weren’t “real” Christians. Or her head might explode.

  • Christians continue to believe that marriage originated with their religion which is just a big fat lie. But it does no good to explain the history of marriage and of the church’s long reluctance to have anything to do with it. They ignore any facts that don’t fit their narrative.

  • Ninja0980

    And a nice fuck you to you as well lady.

  • LovesIrony

    fuck you. and you wonder why we think your religion is shit.

  • bambinoitaliano

    By the same tokens the state could deny the recognition of religion of exclusion. They can deny all the rights they want, as long as they are excluded from the state laws. Under the state all religions are hobbies so long as no one is being force to join their cult. Civil rights should not be define by any religion.

    • William

      Unless the state is supporting a Noah’s Ark theme park with tax dollars. Then the state is endorsing a specific religion and sect.

      • bambinoitaliano

        Absolutely! The state has to cut all ties to religions. They are the biggest welfare deadbeat after the corporations. They offer zero social benefit but abuses. It was a misconception back in the days where they serve as a social order to the states. Look at what happen now after centuries of abuses. They just want to extend their tax cut and expand their power in government to increase their wealth and control. Its another corrupted institution looking for a free ride.

  • Michael Rush

    If you want any kind of religious freedom you have to respect people who don’t belong to your church , otherwise you will be treated like the asshole you are .

  • CottonBlimp

    Why can’t these fucking spunkstains just be satisfied having their “real, special, Christian marriage” in a goddamned Church and leaving that whole “legal rights” part of marriage to the secular government? It’s as if they know themselves that getting married in the eyes of the Lord ain’t worth shit.

  • oikos

    More oppressed, shrieking jesus goblins.

  • 2karmanot

    Is she Carli Fiorina’s evil twin?

    • NO MORE GOP!

      evil more evil

  • OdieDenCo

    “clear hurt” it caused to Christians.” Really! the only hurt cause to christians was self inflicted. Your hate was exposed for what it was.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    Andrea Leadsom, BTW, is who Boris Johnson (aka British Trump) is supporting for PM now that he has dropped out of contention.

    And since this discussion is going on in England, this may be à propos….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4OS17lqHiE

    • Old British boy band videos are such good adverts for the benefits of orthodonture don’t you think?

  • Silly old moo thankfully doesn’t stand a chance. Theresa May got twice as many votes as her in the July 7th vote 199-84. Ms Leadsom can just bugger off.

    • ChrisMorley

      You need to understand that the membership of the Conservative Party now have votes in who becomes leader, hence Prime Minister.
      Brexit voting Tory members may vote quite differently from MPs.

      • Theresa May could be too “establishment” and anti-Brexit for those who voted to leave but I still think she will make it through. I was wrong about the public wanting to remain in the EU so I could also be wrong about this, probably been away from the UK too long.

    • Edmund Allin

      When Theresa May is the candidate we have to support to keep some silly old moo out…. God save us.

  • olandp

    Who is this Andrea Loathsome bitch?

    • Margaret Thatcher reincarnate (she thinks) without the charm and style.

  • Xuuths

    Why are some British citizens going out of their way to make the rest of the world think their country is full of people dumb as rocks?

    • clungeflaps

      Because they are that dumb.

      I lived in England (unfortunately), and for some reason, Americans think that contrived, out of date accent of theirs makes them sound intelligent.

      I’m just happy that the pound is plummeting against the dollar (currently 1 pound is $1.29), so no more obnoxious pommy tourists annoying me.

  • Buford

    I’ll cut her some slack. She’s not malicious… she’s just too stupid to realize that marriage is a civil institution and not a religious one.

    • djcoastermark

      stupidity is no excuse. Well, we do have t rump here so…..

  • Ben in Oakland

    In other words, she knows nothing about the marriage laws in Britain, and thinks that Christians are somehow extra special.

  • Richard B

    After all the debates and conversation, it seems many religious folks are still surprisingly confused about two different and separate kinds of contracts couples solemnize their relationship in.
    * marriage = civil contract filed at the courthouse
    * holy matrimony = religious contract performed by a church and generally include a signed marriage license filed at a courthouse.

  • Wow, this woman is 81 different flavors of bigoted.

  • Bill Harnsberger

    Separate but equal. How quaint.

  • DaveMiller135

    To the extent that you aren’t married until you sign the marriage certificate, no matter what words or gestures the reiigious person of your choice performs, it isn’t a Christian anything. It’s a state function, with civil consequences.

  • That_Looks_Delicious
  • agcons

    Oh. Her again.

  • Keith

    Here we go.

  • Matthew Delemos

    Even if I believed the typical bullshit claim of xians that they invented marriage (an unusual claim to make, when their own holy books were clear ripoffs of older religions), running with “they’re my toys and you can’t play with them”, hardly inspires the goodwill they’re selling.

  • Tor

    Fine. Go to a Christian church and get Christian married. What does that have to do with civil law and the rest of us?

  • Juan Davis

    Who in hell gave you and your “christians” the right to define marriage. Your mythical “Christ” didn’t – you don’t have the right to change what he/she created!

  • David Walker

    For the 7,382,806,973rd time, the marriage we are talking about is CIVIL marriage. A “Christian” marriage doesn’t mean squat in a court of law when one of the “Christians” is filing for divorce. Your fucking religion does’t mean shit when you’re talking about civil law. K? Don’t make me repeat this.

  • KnownDonorDad

    Because to heck with those Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, and atheist marriages, right?

  • TuuxKabin

    Margaret Thatcher rose from the dead? Praise beJeebus.

    • LackofFaithify

      we have the technology. We can make it even stronger with bigotry, but all things come at a price…makes thatcher look like ms right wing universe.

    • Fyva Prold

      Was Thatcher socially conservative?

  • LackofFaithify

    there should be no legal government regulated marriage straight or gay or whatever. If people want to get married, partnered, etc… go down to the local relevant office, get a contract notarized and if your churches, mosques, etc… want to perform another ceremony with the magical man in the sky, have fun stupid, but it has no legal standing, only religious.

    • Fyva Prold

      Marriage is an uniform contract, with clearly understood privileges and obligations. You want to customize it – sign a prenup.

      • LackofFaithify

        Oh? So what if a non-married individual has a child; will that person be denied tax credits because they are married? Obligations huh? Like only sex with the person you are married to? Except for those couples that have an open relationship of some kind. Should there be an investigation that calls into question whether they should be allowed to marry?
        Has nothing to do with customization, it has everything to do with religious groups wielding any civil power, even pronouncements of marriage. Only the authority of the appropriate gov’t entity should be able to proclaim 2 individuals or 3 or whatever have legally entered into a contract with also grants them ridiculous tax benefits because someone got a ring (leave the kid credits alone though). They can, as I said, then go do whatever religious ceremony they want or not, but that proclamation of “marriage” and it’s requirements from a man in a dress that is forbidden to marry, should not mean jack. The Supreme Court has already laughed down some of the proof of marriage such as producing offspring and the like.

        • Fyva Prold

          I don’t think you understand the point. Civil marriage is essentially a kinship contract. It makes two previously unrelated persons legal next of kin, with all mutual privileges of next of kin, and other privileges. For example, the government recognizes that spouses have common income, property, estate, debt, and also afford them spousal privacy privilege. The government also automatically gives common parentage to children born into marriage, even not biologically related to one or both spouses.
          Because these privileges are all serious stuff, the contract is regulated by law, not by some arbitrary lawyer. For example, the government sets the age when the parties have legal capacity to sign marriage contract. This is why marriage is regulated by government – because the government recognizes such contract, as much as other contracts are regulated by government.

          A marriage “not regulated by government” is only what they do in churches. It gives the parties some brownie points before their deities, but doesn’t have any legal standing.

          And about “3 or more” marrying. As a kinship contract with legally equal standing of parties when the contract is entered, and when it’s dissolved (divorced), it will not work for more than two parties.

          • LackofFaithify

            OHH, I’m sorry I didn’t include a fully flushed out template for everyone to use. And judges usually are not arbitrary lawyers. And a power of attorney basically grants those same special “privileges” over another person. And ask Vegas how serious it is. And you have just argued the same thing as I did. Only the government should be allowed to witness and confirm people as wedded partners. I don’t give a damn what catholics or mormons do behind closed doors, but they should be forbidden from actually doing or thinking they are doing something that has any legal standing.

          • Fyva Prold

            In your original message, what this “there should be no legal government regulated marriage straight or gay or whatever” phrase mean, then?

  • Larry in Oklahoma

    WHICH Biblical marriage is she talking about? The kind where the men had 2 or more wives? The kind where King Solomon racked up 600 (and we can’t forget the 300 concubines). The more traditional kind where the divorce rate is around 50%? SHE should indulge herself in a gay marriage and not risk divorce like her straight folks suffer from.

  • Rick

    Her lips say No but her eyebrows say YES YES YES!

  • DaddyRay
  • Randy503

    I’m sure Christians are still “hurting” over the divorces of King Henry VIII. But some how they have been able to bear the burdens.

  • rednekokie

    Hmmmm. And what, pray tell, are Muslims or any other religious order supposed to do? Be married only in Mecca, or wherever –?

    Isn’t it wonderful that the world was made by God only for Christians? Not!

  • On a related note, here is an article on how two anti-Corbyn Labour MP’s are under attack for being gay by the left wing of Labour — including Angela Eagle who could emerge as the first LGBT leader of the opposition and potential Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. She is ready to move with her challenge to Corbyn — whose lukewarm opposition to Brexit is very much resented. http://www.kaleidoscot.com/mps-subjected-to-homophobic-abuse-from-activists-7419

  • Taleisin

    Because marriage didn’t exist before christianity. /s

  • I know i have seen Andrea Leadsom before. She was on Saturday Night Live many years ago and she played the role of Camilla Parker Bowles. Isn’t this her when she was younger?

  • Robert Conner

    The woman’s clearly confused.

  • Gregory In Seattle

    Marriage is a civil institution, bound by civil, secular law. If she and other Talibangelicals do not want civil marriage to be confused with their religion’s hocus pocus, then they can change the name of their mystic hand waving.

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  • Julian (UK)

    Yes – we still have wankers in England – sorry.

    • LackofFaithify

      It is truly a comfort to us across the pond in our hour of Trump, lol

  • hellboundalleee

    No marriage for Jews? Or is it ok for gays to marry under a canopy?

  • yeruncle

    It’s like Thatcher 2, the sequel no one asked for.

  • cleos_mom

    She must have read up on the Other Side of the Pond’s the 2008 election and the stampede of candidates declaring that they wouldn’t support marriage equality for Those People “but I support civil unions!”

    Not a bad tack, strategy-wise. Plenty of people who should have known better fell for it in droves.

  • Chris Baker

    Of course, the real issue is that “marriage” is a legal term too (and “spouse”). So unless you update all the laws with these terms with the addition of “domestic partner” then they are not legally equal. It’s just easier to use the term “marriage” for all these legal relationships.

    And “marriage” is used in other ways too, with the meaning: “cause to meet or fit together; combine”. That’s all the “marriage” means to me, a union of two things.

  • SU – Root

    I hate gay marriage but I absolutely support gay marriage.

  • John Kusters

    Why is it that Christians think they own “marriage”? It’s been around, recognized by government, since long before the tribes we now call Israelis were wandering around in the desert. It does not belong to them.

  • I just joined and I am voting for Teresa May. I live in the USA but vote in Richmond Park (West London). However, if Angela Eagle is elected head of Labour I will quit the Tories and join Labour. I cannot stand Ledsom. (I will never ever vote for a Labour MP if there is any chance of Corbyn becoming Prime Minister. Ever.).