Orlando Killer’s Father Denies Connection To Religion: My Son Was Angry Because He Saw Two Men Kissing

From NBC News:

Law enforcement sources told NBC News that Mateen was born in New York in 1986 and was listed as living at a residence in Port St. Lucie, about 125 miles south of Orlando. The incident is being investigated as an act of terrorism, officials said.

Mir Seddique, Mateen’s father told NBC News, “this has nothing to do with religion.” Seddique said his son got angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami a couple of months ago and thinks that may be related to the shooting.

“We are saying we are apologizing for the whole incident. We weren’t aware of any action he is taking. We are in shock like the whole country,” Seddique said.

Meanwhile, a man who answered the phone at Mateen’s address, Mustafa Abasin, told NBC News: “We are in shock and we are sad.” He would not say how he knew Mateen, but said he was helping investigators.

  • Davester

    I’m never posting to this site again or visiting, because of the PC babies who flagged my comments. But WHY was he offended by two men kissing? That is NOT innate to human nature! It was his religion! And sorry, in a pile of dumb that is organized religion, Islam is clearly the dumbest!

    • Davester

      and if western liberals don’t realize that sooner or later, sooner or later, there will be no western liberals LOL

      • The Professor

        Thought you were never posting again? Go.Away.

      • DumbHairyApe

        Liar. You’re still here.

      • Mark McGovern

        Dude there is no circumstance where “LOL” is appropriate on this site at this time. Grow up.

    • Jim Detwiler

      well…Duh!

    • bkb

      Bye bitch.

    • SoCalVet

      let them flag them. get it out. say what you want.

    • Bill

      Yours are not the thoughts or ideas of a serious man.

      • SoCalVet

        people might respond from a very primitive place at a time like this…it’s okay. I say let people vent.

        • fierce_urgency_of_whenever

          You are so right. The PC bitches need to shut the fuck up and stop trying to control the rage those of us feel towards christers and muslims for the evil, twisted things they do to gay men and women.

    • mjcc1987

      You’re departure will elevate the conversion, please hurry.

    • Taylor

      “I’m never posting to this site again or visiting, because of the PC babies who flagged my comments.”

      No announcement was necessary…you could have departed unannounced. But, instead, you chose to stomp to the door, announce that you’re leaving, and with a swish of your skirts slam the door on the way out!

      Bye!

      • mjcc1987

        Check below, he didn’t leave……….. He’s pouting.

        • Taylor

          His petticoat must have snagged on the door handle.

          • mjcc1987

            Oh my

    • Lakeview Bob

      Two men dissing is not innate to human nature? What the,,,. Oh wait I hear bigots everywhere rejoicing at your comment. Speaking of dumbest?

      • SoCalVet

        no, I think he meant that hating seeing that is not innate to human nature, it was taught by religion. that’s what I read anyway.

        • Lakeview Bob

          You are too much too kind honey.

          • SoCalVet

            I’m just so angry this morning…just hurting…I’ve yelled and cried and lashed out. But there’s not much else I can do. So sad.

          • Adam King

            You’re not alone.

          • agcons

            It’s what I read too, after peeling away the layers of junior high school.

    • Steven Leahy

      I agree, there is often an appalling lack of tolerance for diversity of opinion here.

    • FAEN

      ALL organized religion is BS. Do not for one moment put the onus only on Islam. If the faux Christians here could get away with it they too would be hanging us from trees, gassing us in chambers, having us shot and throwing us off buildings.

      • Hereweare

        It gets tiring hearing that defense of what Christians WOULD do in the wake of what Islam IS doing.

        • FAEN

          Dylan Roof
          Eric Rudolph
          Timothy McVeigh

          Three Christian’s just off the top of my head who killed innocent people in the name of religion.

    • NO MORE GOP!

      You could have started earlier in the never-posting-to-this-site-again and it would have been fine.

    • StSean

      #RAGEQUIT!!

    • Jeffrey

      Islam is fucking nonsense. BUT you can’t call it out without calling out every religion as nonsense, also.

      • Davester

        I do call them all out as nonsense. Islam is just more violent – obvious to anyone with a functioning brain.

    • Joe knows who I am.

      Thank goodness! Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out!

      • Davester

        don’t let the bullet hit you on the way out when you’re in a gay night club upon which another crazed Islamist decides to render Allah’s judgement LOL

    • fierce_urgency_of_whenever

      Oh, I don’t know – I’d say the ameriKKKan christers can match the muslims lick for lick on D-U-M spells dumb.
      As to the PC-Politessa around here, yeah, they’re a pain in the butt. You just learn to use terms which get their panties in a bind (like calling Pam Bundi a fucking c*nt instead of using the proper word for her) and go on with life. On a good day, you can get them so upset they do something stupid like attacking your disqus account and you can get them banned.

  • Cylux

    >this has nothing to do with religion
    >his son got angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami a couple of months ago

    The Taqiyya is strong in this one.

    • Loki

      People don’t seem to get that Muslims are ALLOWED to lie & dissemble with regards to their religion.

      • Just Another Tranny

        Christians can lie, their sky daddy will forgive them, he always does.

        • Loki

          Christians have no need to lie. There are sufficient numbers of them to be brazen about their homophobia.

  • BeaverTales

    The Stanford rapist’s father made stupid excuses for his son too.

    • Gustav2

      And this is an immediate reaction while still in shock.

    • Gerry Fisher

      mmm-hmmm

  • chasmader

    Send dad back to Afghanistan.

    • Statistics Palin

      Don’t bother landing. Forget the parachutes. Let him depend on God.

      • NO MORE GOP!

        Go away, troll.

        • Statistics Palin

          Changed it to fucking “God.”

        • Statistics Palin

          Catamite.

    • NO MORE GOP!

      Thank you for your most useful and helpful post. I’m sure many of us will give it all due consideration (none).

      • chasmader

        Wake up and smell the coffee. Muslims have declared war on us

        • NO MORE GOP!

          Not buying your paranoid hatred, troll. There are over a billion Muslims on this planet, and if they had declared war on us, the world would be glowing in the dark. The real problem is people like you stirring up hatred. Do some Muslims hate us? Of course. But so do some Chrisitians and some fill-in-the-blank-with-every-religion-and philosophy-on-this-planet. Stop with the hysterics already: they’re not useful, and you’re part of the problem. Stir the pot elsewhere… like Antarctica.

        • Adam King

          You’re a bigot.

        • FAEN

          Yeah because Christians haven’t? This sort of hate is NOT religion specific.

          • chasmader

            You’re deflecting. We take you in, we feed, clothe and house you; your children then murder us.

          • FAEN

            Who is ‘we’ who is ‘you’in this conversation?

          • chasmader

            You know exactly what I mean. Don’t let the door slam you on your ass when you go to Meca this summer–and good luck be let back in, if you try to return.

          • FAEN

            I don’t know what you mean which is why I asked. And FYI, I have no need to go to Mecca as I’m not a Muslim or Christian or Jew or anything for that matter.

            You however are a hateful troll.

          • chasmader

            More deflection from the Muslim

        • FAEN

          And Christians haven’t? Truly disgusting how you insist on blaming one particular religion when it’s ALL organized religion and their extremist followers who are out to get us.

    • lattebud

      I thinking Alabama would be another option.

  • TheManicMechanic

    No, this is all religion’s fault. No trying to hide it this time.

    ETA: This is the same sort of backpedaling that tried (and pretty much succeeded) to disconnect white, xtian upbringing from the Oklahoma City bombing. Pretty much impossible to call anything Christian Terrorism in this country.

    • Gest2016

      The father is a liar. This isn’t about two men kissing. This massacre is fueled by a deep religious fueled hatred and I guarantee the father shares if not fostered it in his son.

      • Sashineb

        Right, thanks to stupid statements by that Shoebat fuckwit (and countless others).

      • Giant Monster Gamera

        You appear to have an agenda with your posts. Where are you getting all of this insider information?

        • Todd20036

          There is zero hatred for LBGT that isn’t religion based. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. It’s all God Hates Fags

          You think the terrorist was angry because 2 men cannot make babies?

          • Giant Monster Gamera

            I’d rather wait until we have more information. Others here seem intent in fostering hate based on rumors.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            Fuck you. This is religion based you half-wit, denialist.

          • Giant Monster Gamera

            Your knee is jerking so hard that you’re going to throw it out of joint if you keep it up.

          • Gest2016

            Yes, seriously fuck the dimwit who thinks massacring 50 gays has nothing to do with deeply seated religious hatred, most likely 99% this time from the Islamic fringe. Humans don’t kill other humans who are kissing, let alone 50 random strangers because they witnessed an act of affection. This terrorist was raised to hate, and he accomplished the goal of his particular indoctrination which is to kill the infidels.

          • StSean

            word.

          • vorpal

            Fully agree with GMG: this is not a time to jump to conclusions until we have more information. Then we can properly condemn the guilty ideologies or parties that contributed to this vile, subhuman piece of shit doing what he did.

            We have plenty of time for that. Now is a time for mourning.

          • BeaverTales

            I would assert the contrapositive of your final sentence, my dear sweet black kitty. Now isn’t the time to give the declared LGBT enemies the benefit of the doubt. They lost that privilege for me 2 decades ago The perfect time to call them out for who they are is while people are paying attention. We will be spending the rest of our lives mourning our gay brothers and sisters, but we need to defend ourselves more than we need to mourn more and more of this senseless and utterly needless loss of life. This is not just another tragic mod 24-hr newscycle event for our community. There is no way to dress this up. This is pure 9/11-level hate.: The largest gun massacre in US history was directed against the LGBT community today. If this guy’s ideological allies had airplanes and if we were all shoved into buildings, they would have gladly killed us all.
            Play the video.

          • vorpal

            Ugh… I’m not going to watch that video until morning. (Just woke up for a couple minutes to get a glass of water.)

            You may have a point with hitting while the iron is hot. I’ve just seen too many times where a group reacted and the reaction turned out to be entirely inappropriate, which is worrisome and irresponsible, in my opinion. Now that we know the details, I am all for calling this garbage and what encouraged him out for his horrific, inexcusable, heartbreaking hateful murderous evil.

            Anyways, BeaverTales… wishing you a good night (if it is night there) and =hugs=. We could all use plenty of those at this point, I’m sure. I know I could.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            No kidding. When was the last time we saw an ATHEISTS HATE FAGS sign ?

          • Luddite

            Um, that would be NEVER!

          • Lars De

            I agree that you’d never see it as an organized thing. But I’m as out about being an atheist as I am with being gay and I can assure you that I’ve met a few atheist men who are visibly uncomfortable around at least gay men, and possibly lesbians too. I’m sure it’s to a much, much lower degree but there are prejudiced, bigoted, and phobic atheists too. They base their hatred on stereotypes and preconceived notions, just not religion. That doesn’t really make it any better.

          • Randy Left Brooklyn

            And those guys learned it from exposure to religion . Just because they dumped the religion doesn’t mean they dumped the ingrained fears.

          • Olterigo

            That’s because you don’t read Russian. Very many atheists in Russia hate LGBTs. They don’t carry signs, but it’s often all too clear from their comments on articles. Of course, this is generally not the case in the US, but the friendliness is not a universal rule either.

          • DonnaLee

            I feel it’s due to the general suppression of anything LGBT for quite a long time, which true, was not religious in nature in this case. But when you refuse to let people express themselves, you come to think the lies are true, since nobody wants to come forward and say they are gay and “look, I’m not a pedophile.” I do however see that the resurgence of religion in the Russian people in this century has ramped up the hate significantly. So to say it’s not religiously based? All the higher-ups who we see pushing things are religious.

          • Olterigo

            You are correct about the government pushing religion. But you are wrong thinking that it is mostly religion contributing to acceptance of the LGBTs in Russia.

          • Lars De

            Todd I love ya, but I have to disagree with your statement. While there is a never ending supply of religious based hatred thrown at us it is definitely not the only reason. Some hetero men with self doubt and masculinity issues often hate us based not on religion but on their own fear of self actualization.

          • Steverino

            True, although some of them are quick to cloak their homophobia in religion (regardless of whether or not they are otherwise religious), as culturally it makes it more “respectable,” and thus gets a pass.

          • TheFandomMenace

            Couldn’t agree more. I’ve personally known two men that fit this description over the course of my life. One wasn’t at all religious and came from a non-religious family. The other was a proclaimed agnostic. Both were hostile towards gay males. They had deep internal issues probably linked to latent feelings. Religion is an easy convenient cover for a lot of self hating homosexuals to find refuge, which is why there is so much intolerance associated with religion, but it starts with self hatred.

          • cheakamus

            But where does the self-hatred come from, if not from religion?

          • TheFandomMenace

            Gender bias. Patriarchal culture. Hyper-masculinity restraints. Religion has been a huge propenent and contributor to all three but all three may exist within cultures with no religious pervassiveness. If you want to trace it all back to religion that’s certainly a valid point to make but it suggests that if we do away with all religion, we get rid of hate. And I just don’t believe that. I guess I’m too cynical to buy that argument.

          • DonnaLee

            Actually I want to say ignorance is at the heart of things in that case. If you have been told your whole life something is wrong, and you see no examples which cause you to question that, how can you change your mind?

            I was told my entire life that black people were criminals, degenerates, lazy and cursed. After seeing and getting to know some black individuals, I questioned my mother, and got gobbledygook from her. From the age of 12, I started questioning everything I was ever told.

          • TheFandomMenace

            That’s a very good point.

          • Uncle Mark

            At first thought, I immediately agreed with Todd, but upon further reflection, I have to agree with you. You can look at Russia as a prime example. Some are East Orthodox, but a lot are atheists and have real issues with the LGBT.

          • CKimber, Patheos trans lunatic

            As a trans woman, I’ve encountered many atheists, even L & G atheists, who despise me and mine for existing and lie about us constantly.

        • Gest2016

          An agenda???? Are you gullible enough to believe the man massacred 50 people because he saw two people kissing? The father is lying. This is a plot 2,000 years in the making, and he’s a part of it.

          • Giant Monster Gamera

            I’m rational enough to wait until we have more information.

          • Gest2016

            Information which proves somebody massacred 50 gays because of a kiss? I’m not holding my breath.

      • Gerry Fisher

        The thing that astounds me is how people feel as if they can engage in this “iight hearted” hateful banter, and then act surprised that an unhinged member of their tribe takes it five steps further and shoots up a nightclub. Well…fucking DUH!

        Seriously! How many straights would think nothing of smirking or letting out an “Ewwww! Disgusting!” while seeing two men kissing?

        You want “Ewwww”? Take a look at that nightclub floor this morning.

    • BrandySpears

      Timothy McVeigh was agnostic.

      • Guess
        • BrandySpears

          In his own words, McVeigh identified himself as agnostic to the Buffalo Daily News.
          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jun/11/mcveigh.usa4

          • Guess

            because he knew identifying himself ads an adherent to Christian Identity movement would set off alarm bells he didn’t want ringing.
            (prior link, via TIME magazine in 2001)

            McVeigh: I do believe in a God, yes. But that’s as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that, it gives people an easier way [to] alienate themselves from me and that’s all they are looking for now.

            Agnostics generally don’t carry around The Turner Diaries as their small-b bible.

    • Hal Watts

      Almost every politician is giving a statement saying “our thoughts and prayers” are with the victims. After we have repeatedly seen religion used as a weapon against LGBT people around the world, “thoughts and prayers” is the WORST thing anyone can say in this case. I don’t want your fucking prayers or your religion.

      • TheManicMechanic

        I don’t mind “thoughts,” although actions are far better. But to get people thinking, and hopefully motivated into action is not a bad thing. But prayer? Prayer only exists to make people believe they are doing something useful. to make them feel good about themselves. Hands that pray are useless, it’s no different than sitting on those hands. Do something good with them instead..

      • CM Harris

        Yeah, I thought this too. Turn the “thoughts and prayers” to action, clergy, and start preaching acceptance of all—and maybe ridding households of assault rifles.

  • SoCalVet

    I’d like to get at his father…

  • Leo

    All of the coverage on the cable networks right now of how this shooting should be “classified” is very telling. I’ll just leave it at that.

  • bkmn

    How does one plan a rampage that kills this many people without setting off some alarms in the people around you?

    • chasmader

      Exactly. Just as w/ San B’do, the families were well aware of what was going on. We know this because ISIS-mom (in Cal) had a life insurance policy out on her son. I hate to say it, but Trump might be on to something when he said family’s need to be held accountable.

      • Oh’behr

        Yuck, as if I’m going to trust Trump. No way. I’m going to adopt a wait and see before I’d trust anything Trump.

      • FAEN

        I’m sorry but Trump is not an authority on much except for making people afraid and telling them whose to blame for it.

    • Gest2016

      The father saying it was “about two men kissing” strikes me as a well thought out justification for an act he probably encouraged and fostered. There’s more to this story.

      • Giant Monster Gamera

        Because you’ve already got the inside scoop, right?

        • Todd20036

          Piss off troll

          • Giant Monster Gamera

            You’re really interested in elevating this conversation, aren’t you?

      • Elsewhere1010

        Perhaps he saw two men kissing while looking at a reflection of some sort?

        Because feeling the need to open fire on a group of strangers speaks more to personal rage than anything else.

    • ColdCountry

      Many people, myself all too often included, can go through life blinded by our own little concerns. Don’t the neighbors always say, “but he was such a NICE boy!?”

      So sad.

      • Gerry Fisher

        Always. 🙁 And then we see pics of the guy with those scary, empty, “wild eyes.”

    • zhera

      That what we asked ourselves after the mass killing at Utøya/Oslo. 69 people killed by one person.

    • pipslvr

      Dude was a security guard and had access to guns. It doesn’t take much. He doesn’t have to tell anyone of his intentions

  • StraightGrandmother

    So sad, really, my heart raced so early in the morning when first read Google News and then followed it locally. My first reaction was outrage, but now I am sad just really really sad. My heart is so heavy for you all. All of you.

    • bobbyjoe

      This is exactly how I feel. I can’t feel the politics or the religion angle or anything else right now, except just really, really deep sadness. The other stuff will come later I suppose. But right now I just hope the dead find peace and the living find some shred of comfort somehow. It’s all just too sad.

    • Oh’behr

      Thanks Straight Grandmother. You’re a rock of strength and a gem of great wisdom and light. Hugs, Paul in Minnesota

    • lattebud

      Thank you for your anger, sadness, and compassion…. Many people who call themselves “Christians” could learn so much from you.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Me too. But, I am getting more angry with each passing minute.

    • AJ Drew

      And I am sad too, including for you. You are not “other” nor are “we”. Well… maybe there is us/them and other/we, but I don’t think it’s a gay thing, it’s people who react with empathy to this horror vs people who jump to voicing divisiveness.

    • Gerry Fisher

      I’m bouncing between deep sadness and rage.

      I’m 55. A lot of us who’ve been at this “leading open lives in the hopes of change” thing for a long, long time are simultaneously super grateful for the wonderful changes we’ve seen and wishing that it all was over and done with by now. It’s not rational; it’s more of a feeling built up over years.

      In general, I’m a much mellower, accepting guy at my age. When my rage pops up occasionally lately, it surprises me. At the heart of it is, “WTF…STILL?!!”

      • Craig S

        Well said Gerry. It is hard to believe someone would be so upset at two men kissing that they would weaponize their hate and kill 50 people. The entire story will eventually come out but it will be sad no matter the conclusion. And 50 members of our community will still be dead; 50 families will still be in mourning.

        • Wynter Marie Starr

          That was my thought as well. Can you imagine if a gay man became upset at seeing a straight couple kiss and used that as an excuse to kill so many innocents?

          Kissing is a human expression, not a gay or straight one.

          • fuzzybits

            I’m over people saying hate filled people are gay themselves. Sure it can happen but more often than not they are taught their hate and take it out on the ones they’ve been taught are less than.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            There’s no way this guy was a gay man. However and wherever this man learned his hatred is immaterial at the moment. It’s why we must continue to push for equal rights for all people and keep up the arguments that one’s personal belief system doesn’t give them the right to discriminate, hurt or kill those that do not adhere to their beliefs or who they think are superior to.

            I hope you didn’t misunderstand my comment. I was not saying this man was gay. I was switching around the circumstances.

          • fuzzybits

            No,it’s all cool. 🙂

        • zhera

          That story cannot be anything but bullshit. See two men kiss and then kill 50 people? Where did the rage about homosexuality come from? If not religion, then family. And if from family, then most likely it’s still from religion/culture.

          The killer’s family need to distance themselves from this massacre. They won’t be saying they agree with it, regardless of how they really think/feel.

          • kevway

            I want to know how his father responded to him after he said that.
            “Omar, everyone has a right to love” or
            “Praise Allah”

          • David Walker

            Another religious probability is that Mateen was gay and was taught how disgusting and filthy he is. I hope that his 72 virgins are guys.

          • Silver Badger

            You are too kind. If he was indeed gay, I hope his 72 virgins are all menopausal and angry.

          • David Walker

            Understood.

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          • Henry Horton

            Religion didn’t cause this? Bullshit!

          • pipslvr

            You’ve obviously have not been following ISIS online recruiting much.

            Any emotially unstable retard who starts coming across with ISIS video propaganda, where massive shootings, beheadings, and creative killings are common place could be easily swayed to act like this.

          • The retarded people I know never hurt anyone.

          • Rod Steely

            So this asshole was still angry about 2 guys kissing MONTHS LATER? Fuck him. It’s all i can do to tamp down my rage and wish that someone would go all eye for an eye on 50 members of his family. But then I remind myself that I’m not Donald Trump and I go hug my niece instead. And cry.

          • KSV

            Or he had feelings he couldn’t accept and struck out. How many gay-hating closet cases have we seen in the last two GOP House and Senate terms?

          • Barbieyaw

            Totally agree….lock his father up, he is a terrorist himself yet doesn’t have the balls to live in the conditions in Afghanastan even though he wants to be their president. Meanwhile, he wants Sharia Law to be legal here.

      • Mike_Bernard

        I’m afraid it’s never going to stop. There will be people who hate others not like them and some will carry extreme acts to sate that hate.

        There will be all kinds of excuses rationalized around religion and sex, especially.

        Some thoughts and questions:

        What the hell was this jerk’s parents and other people of influence teaching him through the years? What was their motivation?

        Wouldn’t it be interesting if those people of influence can be charged as accessories to this heinous crime? Is that possible? What punishment would be appropriate and what would that accomplish?

        Can we tie and gag that asshole of a lieutenant governor of Texas who sent that awful tweet this morning? His message from his “little god” implied it’s “our fault” somehow.

        Israel is regularly subjected to terrorism and violence. What can we learn from their citizens about how to cope with such terror without going crazy? Until we can somehow mitigate or stop this horrible violence, we will have to learn good coping and helping strategies.

      • JCF

        “I’m bouncing between deep sadness and rage.”

        Right there with you. Part of the RAGE comes from seeing people like mofo Gov Rick Scott, NO FRIEND OF OURS, cover himself in OUR BLOOD, to posture and preen. Expect Rethuglicans do this, ad nauseaum, in the days ahead. Just because as much as they hate us, they hate Muslims just a little bit more.

    • TK

      I’m sad about the shooting. When they announced the total was being upgraded I balled.

      Now I’m extremely angry how the media was so quick to link the shootings to Muslim (read ISIS) terrorists and are being extremely cautious now to say that this is an act of religious terrorism. Calling it a hate crime WILL NOT DO! Based on what the father has said this IS religious terrorism. The hate has a source!

      Upset by two men kissing?!? All sorts of shit upsets me each day…I don’t go kill people.

      • vorpal

        Fucking agreed. Nothing makes me more furious and there’s nothing I hate more than far-right ideologies. That being said, despite my loathing of them and despite how evil, vile, and disgusting they are, if someone took steps to prohibit far-righters from holding their beliefs, I would still fight for their rights to hold those hideous beliefs.

        That’s the difference between us and them: we are civilized.

      • I just read this in the New Republic from Jeet Heer on why this must be called an act of terrorism, despite FBI Guidelines which lean towards calling it a hate crime. “The way out of this morass is to realize that the FBI’s legal definition of terrorism is not the only one that can be used. In a society where homophobia is still rife and has sanction from many politicians, being openly gay is a political act. This means that targeting gay people for being gay by killing them at a gay bar is an act of political violence, and can be described as terrorism as well as a hate crime. The FBI might disagree on legal grounds but there’s no reason that they should be the final arbiters of how this vile act is discussed” Here is a link to the editorial:https://newrepublic.com/minutes/134203/orlando-massacre-worst-mass-shooting-american-history-seen-terrorism-whatever-fbi-decides

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      Im sick to my stomach. Feel like the world is too full of people who use violence as a way to get what they want.
      I feel like I did when I was in school and had all the bullying. Its that hopeless “why are people so mean” feeling only amplified.
      Its disgusting. This isnt religion. This is simple unadulterated hate

    • CM Harris

      It’s every parent’s nightmare.

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  • Andrea Pizzocaro

    Really?!? He saw a couple kissing and then BOOM! Kill the gays! How is it possible? He has been living in the US since 1986 and suddenly he realizes that the gays live here?

    • FAEN

      Religion. It lobotomizes.

  • leo77

    Not helping.

  • Michael Rush

    Tucker Carlson Blames Obama’s ‘Relentless Lying’ For Orlando Nightclub Shooting

    https://youtu.be/ZkRetQZaFjk

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      I just can’t

      • DaddyRay

        I am so with you on this – there is enough disgust and horror with this situation. I don’t need to get any more inflamed.

        • Johnny Wyeknot

          This really hurts so badly.

    • j.martindale

      I said it elsewhere, but I will say it again. Tucker Carlson is the best argument I can come up with for abortion–you know, the one where they dismember the fetus.

    • NO MORE GOP!

      Tucker Carlson is emminently ignorable on this, as he is on pretty much anything else he says. He was much more entertaining when he was on a show with Rachel Maddow frequently handing him his ass on a plate.

    • WeRTheSquirrels

      Fucker Carlson’s time ended with his bowties.

    • Oh’behr

      Hmm, how much I dislike this man. Him and his preppy bowties.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Tucker the fucker is the biggest puke on cable

      • Michael Rush

        Will a comment like this damage his career ? that was really foul .

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    DC gay pride weekend

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Philly is today, also.

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        This hurts so badly.

    • Cackalaquiano

      Still going. No fear

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Just don’t kiss anybody or we all die!!!

        (There is a world in which this makes sense. That’s all I’m saying.)

        • Cackalaquiano

          In that world, my/our existence is enough to justify murder.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            That’s right, baby. Feelin’ God’s holy love? Let’s get together and have an interfaith orgy! Poppers and Prayers!

      • chasmader

        The Terrorist Muslim Scum win when we stay home

        • Cackalaquiano

          Honestly, I refuse to blame the entire Muslim community for the act of an extremist.

          • chasmader

            Suit Yourself

          • Richard Rush

            Me, too. I only blame the vast majority.

      • Oh’behr

        If I were in DC, I’d still go too.

      • HoneyBoySmith

        Good!

        Fear is the reaction they want.

        They want you to be afraid, to change, to disappear into the background.

        Don’t give them what they want.

  • p179

    Give me an effing break. Of course, the father, a Muslim himself, denies it was all about religion. This was a jihadist attack people. Wake up!

    • Tina CRACKA Vane

      Regressive’s will spin for the group … You are wasting your time , sir

    • NO MORE GOP!

      Oh, stop. Was this nutcase using religion as an excuse? Possibly. Perhaps even likely. But it was one person. You wake up. This could just as easily have been a “Christian”, as certain interpretations and sects are just as violently homophobic as their counterparts in other religions. Spend your energy on figuring out how to get weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of homicidal nutcases… because there will always be homicidal nutcases, regardless of what religion or philosophy they espouse.

      • Hereweare

        Except that it wasn’t a Christian. Coulda Shoulda Woulda…………but wasn’t.

        • NO MORE GOP!

          How convenient for your narrative, dear.

          • Hereweare

            It isn’t my narrative, it’s statistical fact. You’re the one who said it could have just as easily have been a Christian. You know……..like Boston, San Bernardino, Fort Hood, UCLA, Washington Navy Yard, NY Underwear bomber, shoe bomber………….Yeah, it’s MY narrative.

    • Gerry Fisher

      We’re already awake. We know about jihadists. We know attacks can happen here, and we’ve seen them happen in gay venues before.

      I’ve been venting some rage in these comments sections, but a rageful, knee-jerk response is just plain stupid. It’s going to take some strategic smarts to reduce terrorism and increase safety. Matching extremism with extremism is NOT the answer; it just creates more terrorists.

      • p179

        So, you’re expecting Barry and the old witch to protect you. Good luck with that.

  • ben

    But hold on, the hate and fear of gays in is directly a consequence of religious fulminating against gays.

    http://quran.com/7/80-84
    http://quran.com/26/165-166
    http://sunnah.com/abudawud/40 (scroll down to 29)

    • JustSayin’

      So every muslim hates gays? Nope!

      • ben

        straw man. I did not say that. Thankfully there are plenty of theologically dishonest muslims who ignore huge swaths of their holy texts, just like lots of christians do.

        What I said was that he has theological justification for his hatred of gays. Which is factually correct.

      • Richard Rush

        You’re correct, every Muslim does not hate gays, . . . only a huge majority of them do.

        • FAEN

          Just like the Christians and most other organized religions.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    He would not say how he knew Mateen, but said he was helping investigators.

    Translation: “I’m just here to destroy the computers.”

  • Blake Jordan

    But why was he bothered by two men kissing, homophobia is not something you are born with?

    If it was not religion that created his homophobia, what did???

    • Todd20036

      It was. Daddy is lying for Jesus

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Well, for Mohammed this time.

        • zhera

          Jesus, Mohammed. Tomato, Tom-ah-to.

    • lattebud

      Envy??

    • Gest2016

      I guarantee you he didn’t “see two men kissing”. He was raised in a worldview which has promoted death to gays for 2,000 years. This is the end result.

  • DaddyRay

    And what pray-tell do you think evoked his disgust at seeing two men kiss

    • Gerry Fisher

      mmm-hmmm

  • millers3888

    I’ve been called a tool, naive, and worse for pointing out the direct correlation between Islam and homophobia. I will no longer be silent. Our lives depend on it.

    • NO MORE GOP!

      You will no longer be silent? So you’re going to drum up more hate. That’ll solve everything. /s

      • BrandySpears

        Just because you want people to remain silent and not criticize ONE certain religions deadly homophobia doesn’t mean we should.

        • NO MORE GOP!

          I don’t want all people to remain silent: just shit-stirrers like millers3888 and possibly you.

          • Hereweare

            The actual shit-stirrer just killed 50 people in Orlando. And what a shocker……….he was Muslim!

          • JustSayin’

            As of yet No proof exists he was muslim

          • Hereweare

            OK sure. Keep telling yourself that. Omar Saddiqui Mateen sounds Baptist to me, don’t you think?

          • Jeffrey

            I think you’ll find that it has been proven, but religion in genera is the problem.

          • chasmader

            Keep drinking that kool-aid. The Muslim Terrorist yelled allah akbar while he was slaughtering innocent gays. But to you and you’re Ilk, he was just a misunderstood young man.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            And what of the Newtown shooter or Colorado or Virginia Tech or……..oh right, they weren’t brown or Muslim…..so that makes it ok. /s

          • Hereweare

            All of those were done by individuals with mental illness, but NOT fueled by religious ideology. I gave MANY examples of Islamic murders here in the U.S., and the post was taken down. The truth hurts.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            You are a fucking liar. You give examples of people who are Muslim who fit your definitions while excluding those with the Christian religion. Go back to WND. You’re way out of your element here. We actually have intelligence.

          • Hereweare

            What have I lied about?

        • Jean-Marc in Canada

          Who’s remaining silent about the fact that he was a radicalized Muslim? I think you’re confusing people not attacking ALL Muslims for actions of this one which, I suspect, was your intention.

          • BrandySpears

            Millers wasn’t attacking “ALL Muslims”. Re-read and comprehend. Islam (the world’s shittiest religion) isn’t immune from criticism.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Correction: “….direct correlation between religion and homophobia”

      • FAEN

        X 10000

    • lattebud

      It isn’t Islam… It is every belief, faith, or religion where there are extremists. So, if you aren’t going to be silent, speak out against extremism and its contradiction to the basics of their faith

      • Hereweare

        Except for that one thing Islam has that the others don’t…………a massive body count. And don’t come back at me with history. We’re talking about NOW.

        • JustSayin’

          Right so history does not matter when it contradicts your narrative….fucking idiot!

        • CottonBlimp

          Aside from the fact that Christianity is easily the bloodiest, most disgusting religion in human history, Christian churches are still behind massacres across the world. You just don’t ever hear that, for example, Catholicism was behind the Rwandan genocide.

      • ben

        Extremist jains wear cheesecloths over their mouths (to avoid inhaling bugs) and sweep the ground in front of them as they walk (to avoid stepping on bugs). They are vegetarians but they won’t even eat plants where you have to kill the plant. The more extreme you become as a Jain, the LESS your neighbors have to worry about you being violent. The problem isn’t extremism, the problem is what the fundamental principles of a religion are. All the monotheistic faiths share the same problem – they’re reliant upon blood-soaked literature that was written thousands of years ago by people who today wouldn’t be much different in moral terms from your average afghan warlord. The difference is that Christians and Jews the world over have come up with justifications and rationalizations to ignore huge swaths of the bible. Lots of muslims do the same with theirs (or just don’t know what it says because they don’t speak or read/write arabic), but not nearly enough of them.

    • Kate

      The correlation between ignorance and homophobia is incredibly strong. No one religion owns the ability to bypass reason and instill hate. Nor is religion the root cause, it’s just an effective vector.

      • BrandySpears

        Religion is just a set of ideas. Not all ideas are good ideas. Neither are all religions.

        • Kate

          Religions don’t generally come in “good” and “bad” flavors any more than people with guns do. They’re complicated affairs given far too much deference in our society when they should have no more protection or special status than any personal philosophy. Teaching people to question their own beliefs is the step forward we need.

          • ben

            where are the Jain suicide bombers? We would be shocked to find any because the core of Jain doctrine is non-violence. A jain who perpetrates a suicide bombing does so DESPITE his religious doctrines, not because of them.

    • Mark McGovern

      There are now some 120 anti LGBT laws pending in State Houses; all Christian inspired. It is all extreme interpretations of religions causing us harm. Not just one.

      • MickinDetroit

        …but only one is actively murdering gay folks all around the world though.

        • UrsusArctos

          For now. Bombing/burning of gay clubs have been done in my lifetime by “upright” Xian folks. The ones that want to kill gays will find an excuse, either in the “Holy Bible” or “Koran”. Different book – same hate.

        • Eric in Oakland

          Have you heard about the rabbi who killed a girl at a gay pride event last year in Israel? Was he secretly Muslim?

        • leastyebejudged

          Bullshit, we are fucking open season for EVERYBODY.

          Stop fucking deluding yourself.

        • CottonBlimp

          You think it’s somehow better that Christians in Africa and Russia or fundamentalist Jews in Israel are only murdering gays in their own countries?

        • Mark McGovern

          Really? You haven’t been following what’s happened in Russia and Africa vis a vis “Christian” forces, Molotov cocktails at pride events, stabbing in Jerusalem pride by an orthodox Jew, bashings in USA etc? 1700 transgender killed in Central and South America since 2008-I’d be willing to bet all Christian inspired. Don’t mistake me, Radical Islam is a hideous blight on humanity. But so is radical Christianity. There are extreme Christians in the USA who feel we deserved what we got and/or applaud the act, Texas Lt. Governor included.

      • Joe knows who I am.

        Hey stop that! You know Christians get a pass!

      • pipslvr

        Please stop this.

        Today, There’s only one religion worldwide that routinely beheads, stones, and throws out of buildings gay people, openly and following orders of their wholy book.

        It’s islam

        • leastyebejudged

          Yes, Islam tends to kill the body, but what fucking difference does it make when Christianity has been used to murder your spirit ?

          You make me sick. Christians DREAM of being able to do what the Islamist do.

        • Mark McGovern

          1700 transgender killed in Central and South America since 2008. Radical Islam or radical Christianity inspired?

    • FAEN

      And what about the correlation to other organized religions?

    • Gerry Fisher

      I recommend that you borrow Obama’s point of view. He says, 1) It’s unfair and grossly untrue to paint Islam with the broad brush of “terrorists!”, AND 2) To make more progress, we need more cooperation and collaboration from Islamic people of good faith to help root out extremism in their midst.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Okay, here is one time when I’m going to say Obama is wrong. And Bill Maher, Oriana Fallaci, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Arturo Perez-Reverte and many, many other liberal, progressive, but brave and honest, writers and intellectuals are right to point out the brain-dead hypocrisy among many on the left. All religions may have their faults, but these are an order of magnitude worse in islam. And the proof is this: If islam were equally as prone to being anti-LGBT or mysogenist/sexist or violent as other religions (not better or worse, just equally) then where is the islamic country that isn’t atrocious towards gay people or women? There is none. Not one. Never has been. Not even Turkey, which is sometimes held up as an exception. Turkey used to be a strictly secular government, it was even written into their constitution under Atatürk, but they have been creeping more and more towards becoming like the rest. The knee-jerk reaction among some liberals to defend islam just because Bush is truly pretzel logic when all the qualities that they normally find objectionable in other religions is magnified by 100 in islam.

        • pipslvr

          Impressed to see Arturo Pérez reverte mentioned here.

          Absolutely right on comment. Islam gets a free pass from liberals mostly due to ignorance and lazy thinking.

    • Joe knows who I am.

      You are a tool.

  • FAEN

    Don’t kid yourself sir. What made your son so angry is probably connected to religion and his own homophobia. Wonder where he got that from.

    • Gustav2

      You must be carefully taught…

    • DiAnne Barrett

      The pear doesn’t fall far from the parent tree.

  • bryan

    Religion and homophobia are blood brothers.

  • Steven Leahy

    Apple and fucking tree. Way to rationalize and justify, DAD.

  • Tina CRACKA Vane

    The republicans has the crazy christians and the democrats have the crazy fucking muslims … How fucking cute

  • Steven Leahy

    I see lions, dolphins and cows killing each other daily over their innate, unlearned desire to annihilate anyone who displays homosexual behavior.

  • DaddyRay

    So if it wasn’t religion that caused this man to get so upset at seeing two men share an act of love it must have been your terrible parenting skills – because hate like this has to be carefully taught

  • j.martindale

    No more blogging today. I just can’t.

  • JustDucky

    Your son murdered fifty people because you raised him in a religion that tells him two men kissing should make him angry. You poisoned the well.

    • JustSayin’

      You do not know that he was a muslim. No proof has been given besides his name.

      • Joe knows who I am.

        Did he mention Islam somewhere else in the thread? Because, all I see in his statement is “religion”.

      • Gest2016

        Why the reflexive impulse to deny the fact that ALL Abrahamic religions wish death on gays? Islam is a part of the Abrahamic tradition, this mans name is of Islamic origin. We’re not fucking idiots.

        • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

          He’s also wearing the Muslim knit cap in his selfie.

          • Gest2016

            #Pulse is trending amongst ISIS tweeters; I think the link between Islamic extremism and this tragedy is plain for all to see.

      • pipslvr

        Guy had ‘proud muslim’ on his Facebook page

      • chasmader

        he yelled Allah Akbar while he was killing innocent gay men. What more do you need?

  • John Ruff

    Bullshit. It was your religion.

  • Bluto

    Hey dad, FUCK YOU & your shitty religion. & fuck all the other religions spewing nonstop hatred too.

  • Merv99

    Hopefully, this will wake up some of the regressive left to what others of us on the left realized a long time ago. It’s not “gross” or “racist” to recognize that Islam is one dangerous, fucked up religion.

    • Sam_Handwich

      Ok. And what?

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      Will this be remembered by the time of the mid-term elections when the left stays home?

      • leastyebejudged

        If I lived in FL I’d be at the next electron to remove that fucking Lt. governor.

    • Friday

      “Regressive” would be a word that has some meaning, you know, it’s not just a random insult. The fact is everyone knows there’s just as bad homophobia in Islam as Christianity, but frankly for all we know just yet the killer converted or something.

      • Merv99

        Islam is far worse than Christianity in how widespread the homophobia is. Polling shows that in most Muslim countries disapproval of homosexuality is extremely high compared to non-Muslim countries.

        http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/

        Legally, Muslim countries are far more punitive of homosexuality than non-Muslim countries, including the death penalty in around ten countries.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#/media/File:World_laws_pertaining_to_homosexual_relationships_and_expression.svg

        Although, the perp was born in the US, he undoubtedly experienced the overwhelming message of rabid homophobia present in Islam.

        • Friday

          We have quite enough hatred of us here, and it’s not like the Christian Right wouldn’t do the same if they were allowed to. Which they do, in places like Russia and Uganda and the like. Which brand of Abrahamic monotheism people use to kill us is less important that way, CHristianists trying to claim they’re somehow righteous when they try to incite the same cause Muslims are a different brand of their thing is what the Right gets all butthurt about even if it’s what they’re doing in our *own* country.

          • Merv99

            We need to be able to talk about Islam without feeling obligated to mention Christianity. If you feel compelled to do so, you should examine the impulse and realize that it is a ridiculous, knee-jerk response.

          • you were the one to start pointing out that “islam is worse” (than something). and it is! there are lots of bad things in the world and islam is one.

            but srsly? “regressive left?” i’m not sure what shit you’re trying to stir, but it’s off-point. i don’t think we have many fans of islam, or even xtianity, at this blog. take your own personal issues with “regressive” leftists to sites that care about how you order “the left” and who is good enough in it for you.

          • Merv99

            Sorry, CD, but I’m not going anywhere. Regressive left in this context refers to people who brand any criticism of Islam, no matter how measured or accurate, as “Islamophobia.” Please don’t pretend there aren’t people who reflexively do that.

          • leastyebejudged

            It’s a fine line to walk, and it’s a big fucking scam, because the goal of Islam is to dominate the world and destroy everything secular.

            I’m tired of people on the left pretending that Muslims are our friends, they are most certainly NOT. They’ll stab you in the back just as quick as any Christian.

            It’s what religious people DO, stop deluding yourselves.

          • Friday

            Actually, the ‘knee-jerk’ is when Righties claim we *aren’t* outraged just cause we don’t blame Muslims when Christians do and support these very same things.

    • FAEN

      So is every other organized religion!

  • Tina CRACKA Vane

    The gays need a new StoneWall or is this new generation of fags a bunch of fucking weak mf’ers that is okay with being victims in the name of “trying to fit in”

  • Homo Erectus
  • Hal Watts

    Horrific. Fuck all the desert religions–Islam, Christianity, and Judaism–and their bipolar god.

  • Gerry Fisher

    >his son got angry when he saw two men kissing

    Feeling so much rage in response to this statement. And what do you want to bet that this “so sorry!” dad was mouthing off about the queers right along with the son? Grrrr….

    • Richard Rush

      A man murders 50 gay people, and now his father, who obviously passed Islamic beliefs on to his son, is trying to protect himself from any backlash.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Oh please! His religion is EXACTLY why he did this. His religion, like the other monotheistic faiths, preaches that we are vile creatures worthy of death. So don’t fucking try to pull this shit you dishonest fuck…..just don’t!

    • You forgot, access to guns made this possible.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        True, that factor cannot be denied.

  • Sam_Handwich

    Im at work. Earlier they reported two shooters. Is that so or was this guy alone?

  • geoffalnutt

    What else would instill that kind of rage besides religion?

    • FAEN

      Republican faux Christian pols.

    • JustSayin’

      Being raped by daddy might just do it.

  • Tina CRACKA Vane

    In this religion you are either mentally or physically abused or both. The only “choice” is to obey or face the consequences.

    How tolerant!

  • Steven Leahy

    There are only two types of people who have an illogical, viscerally angry reaction to two people of the same sex kissing:

    1. Bigots, raised that way and often reinforced or instilled through religious dogma
    2. Self-hating closet cases

    • Jeffg166

      The self haters are more likely to act out.

    • FAEN

      And sometimes those two types are one person. I’ve seen quite a few of them.

      • Shy Guy

        Being raised that way does tend to induce the self-hating.

    • Both should not be allowed access to guns

  • Louis Navarrete

    This is Republican America, Trump’s America. They hate the Muslims, until the gays are attacked. Then they agree.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    So that somehow explains it? Since he’s dead, we may never know, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he had clandestine gay experiences, hated himself because of it AND BECAUSE OF HIS UPBRINGING and he lashed out at others because of his self hatred.

  • Scared Anon

    Pre-Denial of Church involvement proves Church Involvement! Guilty Churches Should Burn! Any murderer of Gays should have their Church Burned To The Ground! This is now an American HOLY Civil War. Gays NEED to Defend Ourselves!

    • ClarkJoe

      Nope. Fuck your violence and fear.

      Mourn for the victims. Spread love, not hate.

    • Jeffrey

      Do not attempt to fight violence with violence. That does not ever work. I know you’re pissed off, as we all are, but do NOT give those assholes comments to copy/paste for their propaganda.

      • Scared Anon

        They kill us and you would type words in defense. Perhaps your words will defend you when they come for you next?

        • Jeffrey

          How tiresome, trolls are. Im not defending anyone, Im telling you that threatening to burn down churches is not the way to accomplish anything. You’re not any better than they are if you do. Wait, why am I explaining the obvious to complete morons?

      • ClarkJoe

        Most likely an asshole posting stuff for other assholes to use as propaganda.

        Fuck assholes (and not in a good way).

      • Tina CRACKA Vane

        tell that to stonewall you fucking idiot

        • Jeffrey

          Threatening to burn down churches? You think that is an answer to this and you call ME an fucking idiot?

        • Gene

          stonewall was not an attack…it was playing defense and standing up for rights.
          as per burning churches…the only place that would welcome the protesters so they could organize after the attacks WAS an Episcopal Church

          learn your gay history
          learn you history in General…violence is NOT the answer

      • Scared Anon

        If there had been an armed homosexual at the venue then perhaps the shooter would have been put down before so many lost their lives. An armed gay is a long-lived one.

    • MBear

      troll

    • Tina CRACKA Vane

      I agree with you Scared anon … enough of the pussy footing

    • TK

      You’re sounding just like the very Islamic radicals you want to defend against. Just what this situation needs…… a holy war. Beyond stupid….

    • Max_1

      Like I said in the last thread you suggested burning churches…
      GO. JOIN. THE. KKK.

  • lattebud

    My gut feeling is Dad was just a little bit to quick with an explanation. If he thought a prostate exam was invasive, just wait until law enforcement starts to dig into your life.

  • Dolly Palone

    This has absolutely everything to do with religion. This is the direct result of too much tolerance of religion — ANY religion that demands that everyone in the world run their lives according to its book of fairy tales for which there is no evidence. We have got to start telling the truth about religion, that there is no religion on earth with a shred of foundation in demonstrable fact, that every major religion bases its notions of right and wrong conduct on conditions and customs hundreds or thousands of years old, and that any demand by the religious that others adhere to its medieval laws is a crime against others’ right to be LEFT ALONE TO LIVE AS WE CHOOSE.

    I’m sorry to rant, I’m so upset. I love you all.

    Dolly

  • MickinDetroit

    oh yes. I’m sure extremist religiosity had NOTHING to do with this. Totally normal reaction to seeing two guys making out on the street a few months ago…..

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    Why had Mateen been on the police’s “radar”, according to ABC?

    • JustSayin’

      There has been a lot of disinformation put out so far. Starting with an early claim that the FBI said he had terrorist leanings. What the agent said was they were looking into the case to see IF he had terrorist connects based on claims made by unknown people.

  • So Christina Grimmie is shot dead after a performance IN ORLANDO the day before and now this. Could one have inspired the other? It doesn’t matter.. Neither should have happened.

    From USA Today:

    Orlando Police Chief John Mina said earlier that there was no indication that Grimmie knew her assailant before he walked up to her during a meet-and-greet with fans and opened fire.

    Mina said the suspect traveled from another — unidentified — Florida city to kill Grimmie. “He came here to commit this crime and had plans to travel back to where he came from,” he said.

    Mina said detectives hoped to get information from the suspect’s phone to help establish a motive for the killing. Detectives were sent to the suspect’s home city to search his residence and any computers or other evidence.

    Florida Gun Law from Wiki:

    Gun laws in Florida regulate the sale, possession, and use of firearms and ammunition in the state of Florida in the United States.

    Florida is a “shall issue” state, and issues concealed carry licenses to both residents and non-residents. Florida recognizes licenses from any other state which recognizes Florida’s license, provided the non-resident individual is a resident of the other state and is at least 21 years old[1] or may be under 21 if the applicant is a member or veteran of the United States Armed Forces.

    Florida is considered accommodating to guns, by national standards. There are 56 laws relating to owning, transporting, and using guns. Convicted felons have few rights to gun possession.

    The law only applies to hand guns not long guns. Also,open carry is not permitted in places that sell alcohol. (my understanding)

  • MBear

    saw two men kissing and got angry?

    “Hey – HEY you two over there – you’re doing something that doesn’t affect me that I don’t like!!!”

    Yeah – totes murrikkkan.
    And totes religious.
    Fuck ’em.

    Live each day with full awareness that some batshit religious neanderthal might beat or shoot you.

    • Hue-Man

      Too much talk about religion and almost no talk about culture.

  • Tina CRACKA Vane

    Being a post op woman and a muslim is the same as an african american supporting the KKK. #muslim #woman #women #islam #religion

    • NO MORE GOP!

      And thank you for your contribution to the shit-stirring today.

  • FAEN

    At some point we’ll also have to deal with another insulting ‘speech’ from Wayle LaPierre and the NRA. Joy.

  • Guess

    Just parroting my comment from another thread.

    When faced with the son’s wretched reaction to the sight of men kissing and displaying affection in public, particularly dragging the desired “values” of his grandson into it, the catatonic non-reaction of the father to his adult son tells you all you need to know about whether religion has “nothing to do” with the homophobic violence that transpired.

    • NO MORE GOP!

      And what is that I apparenltly need to know, since you seem to be the arbiter of such things? C’mon, dumpling. Spell it out for those of us who don’t like it when you play coy. What is your agenda today?

      • Guess

        Agenda:

        (1) Grieve
        (2) Remind people that homophobia is baked-in the psyches of many people swayed by religion, whether organized or disorganized.
        (3) Grieve a little more
        (4) Donate to groups that understand (2)
        (5) Curb this sudden hunger for dumplings.

        • NO MORE GOP!

          Wow. That was sane. And so much different in tone than your first post. Nice.

          • Guess

            Your tone is so much different as well. Please re-read the upvoted post in case you missed the gist the first time, while I’m enjoying those dumplings!

  • JustSayin’

    I find it interesting and disturbing the number regular posters here with Disqus accounts that are blaming all muslims. Radicalized muslims are as bad as radicalized christians. That leaves the other 95% of those religons to bear the brunt of that hate.

    It is the same behavior used by the religous haters when a gay commits a crime. Labeling everyone based on the actions of one bad actor is vile and childish.

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      what I would iike to add to that is that other 95% shoud get off their asses and actively condemn this sort of madness. But really they dont.

      • Jeffrey

        I have to agree with you there. If 95% of muslims strongly and vocally disagreed with this behavior then I would be hearing a lot more from them.

    • Jeffrey

      Id like to hear that supposed 95% (Christian or Muslim) strongly decrying this and making it clear that they will expose any knowledge of such people. But the billions of super peaceful Muslims or Christians out there don’t seem to have much to say on the subject. Maybe a few tweets, but nothing substantive that I have seen over the years of religious violence.

    • Stev84

      The vast majority of Muslims might not actively kill gay people, but they also support the death penalty for homosexuality. Most Muslims (seen worldwide, not in the US where they are more moderate) won’t shed a tear over this.

  • Scared Anon

    http://www.pinkpistols.org/
    Buy a gun today.

    • Adam King

      No. Never. Fool.

    • NO MORE GOP!

      Because more guns always calm things right down. Fuck off, already.

    • Kate

      This message brought to you by the gun manufacturer’s lobbying arm known as the NRA. Profits first, after all.

    • leastyebejudged

      Already have one, and I didn’t make any scumbags rich by acquiring it.

  • Steven Leahy

    All of the major networks are at Special Report on this incident, and many are reporting the father’s remarks. This horrible incident will hopefully spur action on two fronts:

    1. Gun control
    2. Federal LGBT rights and protections

    • Jeffrey

      As it has been mentioned, if 20 dead white school children in Connecticut didn’t change anything, then don’t bet on 50 dead at a latino gay bar in Miami to make much difference.

      • Steven Leahy

        well, you may be right but I can only hope you’re not.

        • Jeffrey

          Im just pointing out the inertia of the situation thus far.

        • Reality.Bites

          I hope he’s wrong too, but I know he’s not.

    • Reality.Bites

      Not a chance of either.

  • _II_Skeets

    First one who sends “thoughts and prayers” to the victim’s families will earn a swift kick in the pants from me.

    Enough of this BS. Time for ACTION to end this bloody carnage in the US. Looking at you, Hills. Get it DONE.

    • Their prayers are being answered, god would ban guns. They aren’t listening.

      • oikos

        There is no god.

        • I don’t believe there is either, but many americans do.

          • many americans believe Moses wrote the Constitution and that the earth is 6,000 years old and that White Jeebus is coming any day now.

            it’s time to stop pandering to such idiocy.

          • leastyebejudged

            We are going to see more and more incidents like this, as the percentage of Atheists in the USA hits and passes the 50% mark.

            The more unstable religious people will continue to totally loose their shit.

          • abel

            Amen, Sister, amen!

    • That_Looks_Delicious
    • Stev84

      Prayers is what caused this in the first place

  • Mike in Texas

    Religions have been fanning the flames of homophobia for millennia. Do not write them off … any of them.

  • Lazycrockett

    We’re overloading the servers.

  • Silver Badger

    “He saw two men kissing a couple of months ago.” So he waited two months and gunned down 102 people killing 50. This does not compute. error error error reboot from start

    • Steven Leahy

      ….at a bar two hours from where he lived. In the middle of the night.

    • KarenAtFOH

      Cowardice requires extra time.

  • Lazycrockett

    And gun sales are going through the roof at the moment. Our culture is fucked up.

    • I’m betting many of those purchases are by those in our community who feel like they have a target on their back. Because they did.

      I really hate politicizing these things, so I’ll only say this: by all means, make it HARDER to acquire weapons. I’m all for background checks, waiting periods, etc. At the same time, if the criminalization of drugs has done nothing to keep people off of them (heroin use is exploding in this country), how likely is banning the sale of handguns going to prevent the worst criminals from obtaining them?

      This guy was on the FBI watch list. A reasonable gun restriction could have prevented this particular person from getting one easily. An attempt might have tipped someone off. Making it illegal for everyone would have tipped no one off, because he would have been operating through an illegal market.

      • Adam King

        We need to restrict gun manufacturers and heavily tax and regulate the sale of ammunition. Licensing of gun owners and registration of all guns, like we do for fucking cars, is a no-brainer.

        • Yes. While I think there’s a right to own a weapon to protect oneself, I don’t see there being a right for no one to know you have it in the first place.

          And again … someone on the FBI watch list should not be able to legally purchase a firearm, guilty or not. At least not until they’re cleared.

        • leastyebejudged

          And even after doing that there still will be incidents like this because nobody’s addressing the real causes of the problem.

          I can understand the resistance of gun owners being forced into a database, particularly given how little concern our current crop of corrupt politicians have for data security and privacy. Neither of which are priorities right now with the presumptive Presidential candidates.

          So lets imagine the perfect world with the restrictions you describe, would it have made any difference at all in this case ?

          Probably not, and that’s why the inertia to bring about sweeping change hasn’t been overcome.

      • Max_1

        This guy was on the FBI watch list.

        He was?
        All I’ve seen is that the FBI is investigating…

  • John T

    Nothing to do with religion, yeah right. ALL of the loudest homophobic voices in this country are motivated by religion, shouting about God’s vengeance for “unnatural” sins.

  • TK

    Regardless of whatever motivated this crazed murderer, he got access to the same weapon used in nearly every mass shooting across the country – whether legally or not. And sadly, this biggest mass shooting in US history will probably still not be enough to motivate our politicians to entirely ban assault weapons. And the NRA will use this as an excuse to demand more access to assault weapons for “protection” and continue paying politicians for pro-gun laws. I am SO sad for the victims of this senseless violence. The shooter could not have inflicted so much killing and injury without an assault rifle. This is really a terrible sad day.

    • Adam King

      Every NRA asshole needs to be loaded onto a leaky boat and put out to sea. We don’t need their kind in this country.

  • JoeMyGod

    O/T: JMG is struggling to load under this terrible traffic. Please be patient. I’ve asked the tech guys to see what they can do…..

    • Steven Leahy

      The other gay sites are struggling too. I couldn’t get LGBTQ Nation to load, either.

    • Thank you, Joe.

  • Steven Leahy

    The underlying tone in this father’s “message” is that somehow, killing these people because of anti-gay animus is more palatable.

  • SelectFromWhere

    Blaming the victim (community), typical.
    “If those nasty gays hadn’t been kissing in public, then my son would not have felt the need to assassinate 50 of them!”

  • drtrmiller

    These horrific events will become increasingly common and even more catastrophic as long as this country continues to value gun rights over human rights. The right to be safe from terror means that handguns and assault-type weapons should be extremely difficult to obtain and license. It makes no sense that the American government can put a suspected criminal on a no-fly list, but that same person can obtain any legal weapon more easily than they can register to vote.

  • Silver Badger

    So, two men kissing was reason to kill 50 people. What response should be expected from the murder of 50 people?

    • Robert

      Hands down the death penalty. But my understanding is that he is dead already, so……??????

      • Silver Badger

        Just extending the logic. I don’t expect any response because the murdered were gay. It would be nice to have extra security at pride events.

  • Piercedchrlz

    …and where exactly was he taught to hate the idea of two men kissing? Religion, maybe?

    • Reality.Bites

      And maybe not. Just because someone is named O’Malley doesn’t mean they’re a practicing Catholic or that their parents were or grandparents were.

    • Gianni

      Maybe. Actually, I’d put money on it.

  • Max_1

    There are only two types of people that turn to guns to solve their emotionally unstable lives…
    1) Those with access to guns
    2) Those with access to guns

    • leastyebejudged

      And the majority of the dead are people with access to guns that chose to take their own lives.

      Nobody gives a shit about them though.

  • witch

    Two men kissing ? There is more to this story, a small point of light, the hundreds of people lining up to give blood

  • WaffleWolfer

    Islam teaches that homosexuality is evil. Adherent of faith exhibits hatred towards gay people. Yep, total coincidence!

    • Reality.Bites

      All Abrahamic faiths teach that, along with a lot of other rot.

      The overwhelming majority of their adherents ignore the crap.

      • Merv99

        Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of Muslims do not ignore that crap. Just the opposite.

        http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/global-acceptance-of-homosexuality/

      • Stev84

        Christianity went through a centuries long moderation phase and also lost most of the worldly power it used to have. With Islam it’s the opposite. It became far more radical recently.

      • leastyebejudged

        Well, the overwhelming majority of people ignore that crap UNTIL IT’S CONVENIENT FOR THEM TO POINT TO IT.

        A serial killer is still a serial killer even though he’s stopped killing for a while.

      • Gianni

        Unfortunately, it only takes one pathetically driven individual with urging from his misguided faith concepts to kill one or many for their “sin” against “his” faith.

      • Ben in Oakland

        Parts of the aBrahamic Faith’s preach this hatred. Not all. But the parts that don’t fail to speak as loudly or as often as the parts that do.

      • WaffleWolfer

        Your first sentence is correct, but with regard to the second, that’s unfortunately not true for a majority of the global Muslim demographic. See my post here:
        https://www.reddit.com/r/ainbow/comments/4nrykl/i_dont_want_rightwing_bigots_using_us_as/d46jgx9

  • Merv99

    “Congressman: Killer Pledged to ISIS

    Rep. Adam Schiff, the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, told CNN that Omar Mateen pledged allegiance to ISIS before attacking an Orlando, Florida gay nightclub and killing 53 people. ”

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/06/12/dem-rep-orlando-shooter-pledged-to-isis.html

  • Nothing at all from a death cult that focuses on killing and torturing all those who don’t fit within their narrow view of humanity. Nothing at all about that. Stop being so ‘Islamophobic’, you truth telling, truth tellers!

  • motordog

    I’m too apoplectic to comment on this story at this time…I may say something I later regret…

    • leastyebejudged

      The world has changed today.

  • Merv99

    We need to demand right now that every mosque and house of worship in the US and around the world stop preaching hatred against gay people. All anti-gay laws in Muslim countries and every other country must be repealed. Muslims and anybody else who do not speak out against homophobia are part of the problem.

    • leastyebejudged

      LOL, put down the crack pipe, Eunice !

      • Merv99

        Even you have very low expectations of religion and the religious.

        • leastyebejudged

          I admit that is true, absolutely, I expect nothing righteous or moral or fair or good from religious people. That way I am often pleasantly surprised when one of them actually does something positive. Most of the time even that’s bullshit though.

      • Gianni

        🙂 His dream is really big! I mean REALLY big!

  • nipper

    Religion taught him to hate.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    The Muslim and Christian religions are full of fanatics who kill or want to kill LGBT people. They are the real reason LGBT people get murdered.

  • pipslvr

    Islam, the religion of peace

    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com

    • Christianity, the religion of peace

      http://www.joemygod.com/2016/06/12/texas-lt-gov-dan-patricks-apparent-message-to-lgbt-community-you-deserved-this-for-mocking-god/

      It’s the radical fundamentalism, not what flavor of religion it is.

      • leastyebejudged

        Whatever. Get back to me when every islamic nation changes their laws and stops murdering us and just in general behaving like barbarians.

        I’m tired of Muslims acting like their fucked up state religion is anything but a fucking abomination. They’re JUST like fuckin’ Christians, they never own up to their shit and they’re stupid enough to expect you to love them for that..

      • pipslvr

        You didn’t click on the link i posted. I suggest you do and carefully inspect the weekly death toll data due to Islamic attacks on that site.
        Nothing to do number wise with anything else.

  • Robert

    Probably a closet case who secretly watched gay porn…..

  • Addison Albright

    I call BS on that assertion that the massacre has nothing to do with religion. Nobody is going to get so upset by seeing two men kissing that they kill 50 and injure another 53 without the religion-fueled animus and campaign of mis-information.

    “With or without [religion] you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” – Steve Weinberg

    • Gianni

      I’m with you. That much hatred came from somewhere. He learned it along the way of his life. It only comes from one place – religious teachings, from very long ago, passed on to each generation with adjustments to cover whatever the “current” sinful situations are.The overall atmosphere of its influence waxes and wanes through the years. For some decades now, the hatred of so many things that don’t adhere to the “faith” (whichever faith that may be) has been increasing to the point of what we see today around the world. Laws against gay people that impose prison sentences for any public affection, “gay propaganda”, just being gay, not informing authorities that someone is gay, etc. How many state legislatures are in the business right now of passing “Religious Protection” laws? Their sole aim is to curtail the rights of gay people to be publicly respected and treated fairly and equally under the law.

  • fierce_urgency_of_whenever

    fuck the muslims and fuck the christers. There’s a reason the pink pistols exist, and if more of us were armed and ready to fight back maybe we could get the mother fucking christers and muslims to stop attacking us.

    • leastyebejudged

      I doubt it, I mean you can’t conceal carry or even carry at all where alcohol is served in most reasonable places.

      They had a paid, armed local Police officer at the door, and this happened !

      People like you that are holding this up as some sort of definitive proof of anything are missing the whole point.

      • fierce_urgency_of_whenever

        People like you who demand we surrender to the god of PC are the ones missing the point.
        What is this definitive proof of? That christers and muslims are evil murderers? Why yes, yes this is.

        • leastyebejudged

          Explain how anything you suggest would have made this any different ?

          Have a little integrity.

  • Queequeg

    It has everything to do with religion. If his religion hadn’t taught him that homosexuality was evil he would not have done this.

  • thepinkservbot

    The same people who tried to convince me that the “””violence””” against Trump supporters matters are now going to try to convince me that this was a wholly Islam extremist related issue that we can’t turn back onto American Conservatism.

  • Gregory In Seattle

    And WHY was he “angry” after seeing two men kissing? Because he was indoctrinated to a religion that demanded death to gay people?

  • teedofftaxpayer

    The father’s comment makes me wonder if I would be justified in killing straight people when I see them kissing. Disgusting.

  • Ninja0980

    And that justifies him killed 50 people?
    Do us a favor dad and don’t say anything else.

    • leastyebejudged

      Oh, I want him to keep talking, it’s fascinating.

  • greenmanTN

    Who cares WHY he was offended? I’m offended every time I get turn on the TV and see 20 seconds of a “Real Housewives” show, BUT I DONT PICK UP A GODDAMN GUN AND START SHOOTING PEOPLE! There is no excuse for this. NONE!

  • James

    So it’s just a coincidence that Islam is associated with rampant homophobia then, is it?

  • Robert Adams

    Because he saw two men kissing? Yeah, whatever.

    Nothing like grounding your great immoral act in some preconceived “immorality” supposedly “committed” by others.

  • Lord_Gaga

    Yeah, totally not religion. Islam is known worldwide for its acceptance of homosexuality.

    • Wonder where they got that idea, eh?

      “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.”
      — Leviticus 20:13

  • TampaDink

    This makes as much sense as “I was disgusted with the quality of my food at McDonald’s that I went & fire bombed a Burger King in another city.”

    • Because those prone to homicidal rage are always so “sensible”, eh?

      • TampaDink

        Yes….and what better place for people with homicidal rage to live than the U.S., where the NRA has such a stronghold on congress that they won’t even consider tightening loopholes in gun laws to prevent people under investigation by the feds from buying weapons & ammo.

  • Henri205

    I saw two Republicans today and I got angry. But I LET IT GO.

  • Stormfinder

    Religion told him to hate gay people. This is beyond sad. This is a turning point

  • Ben in Oakland

    Your son was angry because he saw two men kissing? Bullshit!

    Your son was angry because he had been taught to hate and fear, whether by his religion, by you, or by political religionists or religious politicians who see gay people as less than human.

    He was angry for the obvious reason. I am increasingly convinced the the worst, the most vicious, and the most virulent of those opposed to our right to live our lives as free men and women and equal participants in society, whether religious or not, are homo-hating Homos who cannot that we do just that, when they have confined themselves to the prisons of their small minds, shriveled hearts, and minuscule souls.

  • fuzzybits

    Bullshit!!!

  • Sporkfighter

    Living your life shouldn’t be a political act, nor an act of bravery.

    I’m so sorry.

  • outraged

    This man was a ticking time bomb. How is it possible no one knew? This killing spree was organized. There is NO WAY he did this alone.

    Someone helped Mateen wipeout 50 innocent lives and seriously injure dozens more. Not only the assault rifle.

    There are no words. My prayers go out to everyone. I am so sorry for your loss.

    • chasmader

      I’m sure his parents know. Hopefully they are in FBI custody, on their way to Gitmo.

    • James

      Your prayers are meaningless. At best they do nothing. At worst, they contribute to precisely this type of atrocity.

      • outraged

        my prayers make it worse? Do you have any idea what my prayers are?

        My heart goes out to these families.
        All you are doing is spewing hate.

        Hate – love – hate -love – ummm……well…..I think LOVE makes a difference.
        HATE KILLS.

        Spread the love. 👭 💛 👬 💜

        • James

          Exhortations to prayer following atrocities committed in the name of religion. You can’t see how that makes things worse?

          • outraged

            I never asked anyone else to pray. I was sending prayers. How is that an “exhortation to pray”. I have friends who pray, friends who don’t, friends who are religious, friends who are atheist, friends of all shapes and sorts and colors.

            Making one segment of any part of society a pariah creates hate. I don’t really care and it is no business of mine what other people believe in. I am very willing to share. But I do NOT push my beliefs on anyone else.

            Because a religious person kills 50 innocent people, that means religion is wrong??? What if a rabid football player kills someone from the other team, does that make football wrong??

            People do the most horrific things imaginable. That does not make all people awful.

          • James

            Your religious belief is part of the problem.

          • outraged

            Who ever said I was religious????

            The word PRAYER has many meanings.

            Your anti-religious hatred is also part of the problem. ANY exclusion is bad. Of anyone. At anytime.

            Don’t you see? Putting out all this negativity in the name of ‘religion is bad’ plays into the religious hatred you dislike so much!

          • James

            People who aren’t religious don’t pray. They also don’t irrationally hate other people because they think some fictional being wants them to.

          • outraged

            hahah. Who is the one irrationally hating here? Me thinks it’s you.

            I don’t think you understand the word pray. I believe in the tao. So when I pray it is to the world, to the water, to the light, to the clouds. There is no old man in a white beard, no jesus, no god.

            Are you saying my blessings that go out to the world, to the trees, to the people, to the flowers, is a problem? If so, than I have nothing more to say to you. good luck. remember, honey not vinegar.

          • James

            Your belief in the supernatural, whatever it is, is part of the problem. So is your pandering to other religious believers, as in the first comment on your profile: “God Bless you and your family Jessica. My prayers are with you all.”

          • outraged

            Who’s Jessica? I have no idea what you are talking about. Most of my comments on my profile are anti Scientology.

            The supernatural?? OMG James, you are really stretching it here.

          • TallBearNC

            The guy is a whack job even if he is part of the LGBT community… You probably can’t even win an argument with them no matter how proper your facts are…

          • outraged

            I thought so. Thank you!👏

          • TallBearNC

            Hello asshole… Gay and lesbian and bisexual and transgender people can be religious… They can be Christian they can be Muslim they can be Hindu and they can be any religion on the face of this planet. Religion is not the problem – it’s the far right ZEALOTS who are the problem and take religion too far ( or someone like you ). There are plenty of peace loving versions of Christianity and other religions out There on the planet..that fully accept LGBT people. Somebody wants to believe in afterlife, the supernatural, or something after death… That’s their business and as long as they are not using that to try to take away your rights, then that should not be a problem for you

            ..for you to come along and get on somebody’s case for saying they’re sending out prayers shows how much of a bigoted asshole you are – you are no better than the far right religions – I don’t care if you’re gay or liberal or whatever – if you’re speaking the same hateful crap they are – you are just as bad as they are

            You have the right to free speech in the right to speak your mind, but there’s always consequences for that and the consequences are people are going to jump on you and tell you that you’re an asshole. Go to any LGBT club in the world or this country and spew the crap you just did in this post and I bet you at least 25 to 33% of the people not nightclub will probably kick your ass out of the door

          • James

            No. Every religious believer is a problem. Everybody who privileges “faith” over reason and science. Everyone who thinks they’re doing something or not doing something because that’s what a supernatural being wants. And as for the far right ZEALOTS, they can only exist because the moderate Christians and Jews and Muslims and others give them legitimacy by practicing a kinder gentler form of their bigotry. Every kindly grandmother who doesn’t believe in same-sex marriage because god says sodomy is a sin is participating in creating the pervasive social attitude that homosexuality is wrong and homosexuals are inferior, and is therefore doing her bit to create the conditions that led to the massacre that happened yesterday. Religion is a cancer.

  • Ben in Oakland

    I had to write something after all. I just posted this over at religion news service.

    ——–

    Regarding the murder of 50 gay people today in Orlando by a young Muslim man:

    This is the result of the toxic religion that falls so easily from the lips of religionists. And please, spare me that this is just another facet of Islam, and has nothing to do with the toxic spew from so many so-called Christians, whether they are calling for our deaths, calling for our imprisonment, or calling us threats to everything good and holy, or claiming we are mocking God, or whatever other nonsense they are vomiting from their dark hearts.

    And especially, when they claim to love me but hate my sin. You CANNOT love me and hate my sin. Because it is not a sin, despite what your holy book allegedly says. It is how I live and love and fulfill my life, the same as any heterosexual. And to hate this not-sin, and to wish it gone from my life and from the world to satisfy YOUR religious impulses, is all about you, and not about me. And it doesn’t say anything nice about you OR your religion.

    Love the sinner and hate the sin? How about this? WE drop every word, every qualification, after the very first word, and leave it at LOVE. Because, personally, I find this so called love that you profess completely indistinguishable from hate.

    The father of this mass murderer said that his son was angry because he saw two men kissing in Miami. Your son was angry because he saw two men kissing? There is more Bullscheiss in that statement than resides in every cow in the state of Texas.

    Your son was angry because he had been taught to hate and fear, whether by his religion, by you, or by political religionists or religious politicians who see gay people as less than human, as disposable, as as fodder for their never ending quests for power, money, and dominion. And will these political maggots do anything about the easy access to weapons of mass destruction in our so-called civilized society? Most assuredly, no. If the murders of several dozen children a few years ago couldn’t do it, the murder of 50 despised adults will not even merit a ho-hum. They might wring their hands once, or even twice, utter a few meaningless platitudes, and perhaps even deplore the tragedy, in a vague, general sort of a way. But do anything? Not a chance.

    The fundelibangelist “leaders” will of course say something about it, for a while. But eventually, their guard will drop, and the truth of what they really feel will come through. Wages of sin, God will not be mocked, god’s wrath at sinful America, and all of that moral rot. And then, they’ll be back to “God says…the bible says…” And business as usual.

    This young vermin was angry for the obvious reason. I am increasingly convinced the the worst, the most vicious, and the most virulent of those opposed to our right to live our lives as free men and women and equal participants in society, whether religious or not, are homo-hating Homosexuals who cannot bear the thought that we are allowed to do just that, when they have confined themselves to the prisons of their small minds, shriveled hearts, minuscule souls, and over-mastering fears that someone will find out about them. Maybe even the God of love that they pretend to worship.

    Look to yourselves, bible-believing, so-called Christians. You’re not much better than these Islamist monsters. It wasn’t so long ago that you were doing the same, under color of law, one gay person at a time, whether by prison, judicial murder, legalized discrimination, or presenting no alternative but suicide. Now, you can only attempt to murder our souls by doing everything you can to force us back into the closet, to enable discrimination under color of law, to tell the slandering, reviling lies you tell with the smug assurance that you, like your Islamist brethren, are simply doing god’s work.

    Be assured. This will galvanize us and our loved ones, friends, families, neighbors and colleagues even more. This Islamist may have murdered 50 of us, but has infuriated and energized millions more.

  • Warren

    His son got angry when he saw 2 men kissing and decided to buy assault weapons and kill 50 people and injure another 50+. This is the problem with our rights they are subjective not accepted. Some are “okay” with it while others are not. When you see people like Trump get the support he is the bottom line is you know that our fight is not over. In many ways it has just begun.

    • grada3784

      In the Middle East, there are plenty of men kissing other men.

      The father’s excuse doesn’t pass the laugh test.

  • grada3784

    Shooter worked as a security guard for juvenile detention facilities. Sexual abuse problems among the inmates.

    Daddy is a supporter of Afghan Taliban.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/omar-mateen-id-d-as-orlando-killer.html

    Afghanistan, the land of dancing boys used as sex toys.

  • grada3784

    Time for me to re-read Bilal’s Bread.

    Story about a gay Iraqi kid being raped by his “straight” older brother.

  • Robert Conner

    Apologizing for the “incident”? What fucking “incident” is that? Of course RELIGION never has anything to do with violence.

    Here’s a speech scheduled for the Hussein Islamic Center in ORLANDO; murdering gays is Muslim “compassion.”

    https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2016/06/12/muslim-cleric-to-talk-in-orlando-asked-muslims-to-have-compassion-for-gays-by-killing-them/

    Get these fucking pieces of shit OUT of the US.

    • NO MORE GOP!

      You do realize there are Christians with that viewpoint, too, don’t you? Will you “get those fucking pieces of shit OUT of the US”, too? Or is it just the Muslims you have in mind?

      • Robert Conner

        President Obama asks, rhetorically of course, what kind of country do we want to live in. I want a country where barbarians are not allowed entry and those who enter and practice what is illegal or advocate murder are promptly deported.

        Sadly, very, very sadly, we do not have that option with Christians who believe the same thing. However, it is way past time to name this kind of Scott Livelyesque crap for what it is: advocacy of terrorism and act accordingly. Same goes for this “imprecatory prayer” crap that’s passed around as a dog whistle call for assassinating public figures.

        http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/david-purdue-obama-pray-224185

        This is basically seditious speech, a call to treason, dressed up in Bible talk. The GOP has fostered this sociopathic bullshit ever since Reagan opened up the White House to turds like Jerry Falwell. I have argued at length that the Romans had it spot on about Christianity: it is totalitarian to the bone.

        https://www.scribd.com/doc/302045278/Christianity-s-Critics-The-Romans-Meet-Jesus

        This also raises the question of how some Iranian Islamic loon gets into the US in the first place.

  • Phil Montgomery

    If it wasn’t based on radical religion then why did two men kissing anger him?

  • John Mayor

    For those who may wonder about Islam… and its place in the world… I offer you the following…

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    JESUS CHRIST, MUHAMMAD, AND THE GOP

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    In an attempt to ascertain the Biblical Truth concerning the veracity of the “claims” attributed to the said prophet Muhammad (by whomever, and whenever), and afterupon my examination of both the Old and New Testaments of the Bible, and the Quran, I happened upon a couple of remarkable verses in the Book of Luke, in the New Testament, of the Bible (although, found elsewhere, within the New Testament!).

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    Under the Book of Luke, Chapter 16, Verse 16, we read, “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed UNTIL (my emphasis) John (i.e., John the Baptist!).”… and, within the Book of Luke, Chapter 7, Verse 28, we read, “I say to you, among those born of women, there is NO ONE GREATER (my emphasis) than John (i.e., John the Baptist!)”! [Gideons Translation]

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    Simply stated, if the claim on page 8 of the book titled, The Quran Translated: Message For Humanity, is correct… and which reads, “… Being the last of these Prophets, Muhammad was to be God’s FINAL (and thus, ULTIMATE!) Messenger!…”… then!… the words attributed to Christ within the Book of Luke, Chapter 7, Verse 28, are UNTRUE! And so!… making Christ “confused”– at best!… or– worse!– A LIAR! But, if the words of Christ within the Book of Luke, Chapter 7, Verse 28, and, in Chapter 16, Verse 16, are TRUE!… then!… not only was Muhammad NOT the greatest of the Prophets, he (Muhammad!)– AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY!– COULD NOT HAVE BEEN A PROPHET, AT ALL (i.e., as such is described, within the pages of the Bible!)! For!… and apart from Christ’s words in Luke 7: 28 (extolling praise, glory, and the Seal of Finality on John the Baptist!)… how could the Law and the Prophets be up UNTIL John, yet– nevertheless!– a subsequent prophet (and yea!… supposedly!… THE GREATEST PROPHET!) is revealed some six hundred years after the fact, of the time of Christ (see, Quran, CH 33: 41… and note: With the exception of Ahmadi Muslims, “Khatamu ’n-Nabiyyīn”– “Seal of the Prophets”!– is regarded by Muslims to mean that Muhammad was the last of the prophets sent by God!)?

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    And thus, the battle… then!… obviously!… is between the claims proffered by the self-styled prophet of God, Muhammad!… and, the claims CLEARLY ATTRIBUTED to Christ! And as for the said appearance of Archangel Gabriel to Muhammad to bestow upon Muhammad a SPECIAL PROPHETIC DISPENSATION (as outlined in the work, The Quran Translated: Message For Humanity!), such an act by Gabriel (something not mentioned in the Bible!) would put Gabriel in conflict with the words– and will!– of Jesus Christ!… and– ultimately!– in conflict with GOD! And so, if the said prophet Muhammad did in fact receive a visit from an Angel, I would strongly assert that that Angel, was someone OTHER, than Gabriel!
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    And so!… there can be only ONE!… CLEAR!… resolve to this epistemologic dilemma!:… either Jesus Christ or Muhammad, was “confused”!… OR!… A LIAR! For!… God is not “confused”!… and God is not a LIAR! And!… as there is OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE for the veracity of the claims put forward by Jesus Christ, the “confusion”!… OR!… DISHONESTY!… IS NOT CHRIST’S! As 1 John 2: 22 states, Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the ANTICHRIST!– denying the Father and the Son. [NIV]

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    But with regard to the “conservative reaction” to Islam… the view of the “self-avowed/ averred” “CHRISTIAN RIGHT (and its supporters… e.g., the Right-wing GOP!)”, that THESE have a “DEVINE/ SACROSANCT DISPENSATION (i.e., one ‘blessed by God’!… AND YEA, ‘A RIGHT, AT THE HEART, OF THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS CHRIST!’)”, and/ or, a “SACROSANCT HUMAN RIGHT (i.e., in deference to the non-Christian, Humanist members of the GOP!)” to bear arms in defence of themselves (e.g., against the likes of ISIS!), and in defence of the “downtrodden” of the world… is… well!… SUSPECT! And!… begs the question: “Is their ‘DEVINE POSTURE’, and ‘DEFENSIVE POSITION’, JUSTIFIED THROUGH JESUS CHRIST?” Well… let us examine (i.e., those who profess Christ!) a few further New Testament passages, to find out!

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    In Matthew Chapter 05, Verse 38, Christ states: “You’ve heard that it has been said: ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, THAT YOU NOT RESIST (PHYSICALLY CONTEND WITH!) EVIL: WHOSOEVER SHALL HIT YOU ON ONE CHEEK, TURN TO THAT ONE, ALSO, THE OTHER.” In Matthew Chapter 10, Verse 16, Christ states, “Be aware!… I send you out AS SHEEP, in the midst of wolves; therefore, be as wise as serpents, BUT HARMLESS, AS DOVES.”

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    Next, the ensuing is a question put to Christ from a Pharisaic lawyer… in an effort to tempt Christ! In Matthew, Chapter 22, Verse 36, the Pharisaic lawyer asks (in an attempt to catch Jesus in some act of pompous pontification, and religious sophistry!): “Master, which is the GREAT COMMANDMENT in the Law?”; V37) Jesus said unto him, “YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND”; V38) “THIS IS THE FIRST AND GREAT COMMANDMENT”; V39) “AND THE SECOND IS LIKE UNTO IT!… ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR, AS YOURSELF'”; V40) “ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS, HANG ALL THE LAW, AND THE PROPHETS!”

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    Next, are the words of Paul to the Ephesians, concerning the Christian’s struggle with evil: In Ephesians Chapter 06, Verse 12, Paul states: “FOR WE (CHRISTIANS!) WRESTLE NOT AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD; BUT, AGAINST PRINCIPALITIES, AGAINST POWERS, AGAINST THE RULERS OF THE DARKNESS OF THIS WORLD, AGAINST SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES.”

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    Next, in advance of His anticipated sojourn to the Garden of Gethsemene, Jesus sought to convey an important message to His entourage– and, to all others who might bear witness (then, and in the future!)!– about the error of physically resisting/ contending with evil (in an effort to vanquish it!)! And!… in preparation!… set in motion, the ensuing means– whereby!– His message to be told, could be told!

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    In Luke, Chapter 22, Verse 36, Christ states to His entourage: “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it!… and likewise, a knapsack! And let the one who has no sword, sell his cloak, and buy one (a sword!)”; V37) “For I tell you, that this Scripture must be fulfilled… in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.'” “For what is written about Me, has its fulfillment”; V38) And they said (those with Christ!): “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And He (Jesus!) said to them: “It is enough”; V39) And when Jesus came out, He went (as was His custom!) to the Mount of Olives; and His disciples followed him.

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    Subsequently, and upon completion of His efforts in the Garden of Gethsemene, Jesus stood ready to confront the evil, advancing upon Him and His followers. In Matthew, Chapter 26, Verse 46, Jesus states: “Rise, let us be going. See… My betrayer is at hand”; V47) While He was still speaking, Judas came (one of the original twelve disciples!)… and, with him, a great crowd… with swords, and clubs… from the Chief Priests… to the elders of the people; V48) Now the betrayer had given them (those with Judas!) a sign; and, saying to them (those with Judas!): “The one I will kiss, is the man… seize Him”; V49) And he came up to Jesus, at once, and said: “Greetings, Rabbi!”… and he (Judas!) kissed Him (Jesus!); V50) Jesus said to him: “Friend, do what you came to do.” Then they (those with Judas!) came up, and laid hands on Jesus… and seized Him; V51) And suddenly, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand, drew his sword (i.e., Simon… Peter… see, John 18: 10)… , and struck the servant of the High Priest… cutting off his ear; V52) Then Jesus said to the one (Peter) who drew the sword: “PUT YOUR SWORD BACK INTO ITS PLACE. FOR ‘ALL’ WHO USE THE SWORD, WILL PERISH BY THE SWORD”; V53) “DO YOU THINK THAT I CAN’T APPEAL TO MY FATHER?… WHO WILL, AT ONCE, SEND ME MORE THAN TWELVE LEGIONS OF ANGELS!”; V54) “BUT HOW, THEN (if God were to do this!… Jesus continued!) SHALL THE SCRIPTURES BE FULFILLED?”… THAT THUS, IT MUST BE SO (i.e., that the prophesied events should happen in the manner, as was prophesied!)?”

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    An interesting response to His disciples– to say the least!… and, after having compelled them to buy, and bring the weapons, in the first place! And!… at a time, of the greatest physical threat to the life of Jesus!… that would lead to His very crucifixion! But!– and as it turned out!– to teach them (and all who would eventually receive these actions, and words!), an important lesson:… VENGENCE IS GOD’S PREROGATIVE!– NOT MAN’S!; VENGENCE IS NOT THE RESERVE OF THOSE CLAIMING CHRIST!; AND, IT IS NOT TO BE METED OUT, IN THIS WORLD! And!… Jesus adds an additional reinforcement, in the Book of John…

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    In John, Chapter 18, Verse 36, Jesus states: “MY KINGDOM ‘IS NOT’ OF THIS WORLD!… IF IT WERE, MY SERVANTS ‘WOULD HAVE FOUGHT (and I’ll add here… when Judas, and his gang, met Christ!)’, THAT I MIGHT NOT BE DELIVERED OVER TO THE JEWS!…”

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    In other words, the servants of Christ DID NOT PHYSICALLY RESIST EVIL!… EITHER TO SAVE CHRIST, OR THEMSELVES!… AND!… MOST IMPORTANTLY!… WERE COMMANDED BY CHRIST, NOT TO DO SO!

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    And so, are we (who profess Christ!) to adopt the view… today!… in 2016!… that THIS WORLD (the world that Christ declared was NOT His Kingdom!), IS TO BE MADE HIS KINGDOM!… IS TO BE MADE “OUR” KINGDOM!… THROUGH BLOODSHED? AND!… AS IF!… THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, HAD ARRIVED!

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    And further… and in a perverse– SATANIC-BACKED!– attempt to subvert the simple story of the AGAPE LOVE of Jesus Christ for God, and for mankind, the following Bible passage is often cited as some kind of “DEVINE SUPPORT” for the position, that “CHRISTIANS” should “BATTLE EVIL THROUGH THE FLESH”!

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    In John, Chapter 15, Verse 13, Christ states: “GREATER LOVE HAS NO ONE, THAN THIS: THAT ONE LAY DOWN ONE’S LIFE, FOR ONE’S FRIENDS!”

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    The questions to be asked here, are these: “Is the ‘laying down’ of one’s life for one’s friends (AS A CHRISTIAN!), the same as TAKING THE LIFE OF ANOTHER, OR THE LIVES OF OTHERS, IN ONE’S DEFENCE OF ONE’S FRIENDS?” And if so, how can/ does such a position remain CONSISTENT, with the totality– AND CLEAR!– teachings, of Jesus Christ?

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    Simply put, given all of the aforenoted Scriptures (and those unstated!), there can be ONLY ONE INTERPRETATION of/ for John, Chapter 15, Verse 13… and that is: “OUR ‘LAYING DOWN’ OF ONE’S LIFE FOR A FRIEND– I.E., AS A TRUE CHRISTIAN, AND IN THE SPIRIT OF GOD!– MUST BE IN THE MANNER, OF JESUS CHRIST (I.E., ‘WITHOUT’ THE SHEDDING OF THE BLOOD, OF ANY OTHER)!”

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    As a footnote– AND PLEA!– to the followers of Islam, and to the Global Muslim Community (leaving aside, for the moment, those who are of other faiths!): remember!… Islam attests to the existence of the person of Jesus Christ; however, the Old Testament (the Testament and Bible, of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob!… and to which, Islam subscribes!) DOES NOT ATTEST TO THE PERSON OF MUHAMMAD! And a Testament, and Bible, that preceded the birth of Jesus Christ!… and!… His New Testament!

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    One can only speculate as to why Muhammad, and Islam emerged! Possibly the encroachment of Judaism!… and possibly the additional encroachment of the Roman Catholic movement (the latter of which, St. Paul… in tears!… warned the 1st century Christians, would arise! And!… which took the lives of many Christians, and non-christians alike!… and!… in the name of God, and Christ!)! But, whatever the reasons!… the words of Christ are clear!… John the Baptist!… was!… THE ONLY FINAL!… AND GREAT, PROPHET OF GOD!

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    Please!!… no emails! …

    • The_Wretched

      Go peddle your all caps religion somewhere else.

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  • Edmund Allin

    Could this be a case of self-loathing gone extreme, compounded by greater exposure to religion after leaving school?

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/12/drag-queen-orlando-gunman-omar-mateen-was-my-friend.html

  • DaveW

    Stop making assault weapons. Make them illegal to own. One month to turn them in. Found with one? 2o years hard labor. Deportation if possible. Stripped of statehood, banished to penal colony.

    Make ammunition for any gun illegal. Same process as above.

    Want to hunt/murder Bambi?: prove sanity. Crazy until proven sane, not the opposite. If you can disprove your insanity, check out two billets from sherif,
    must account for them in 24 hours. Post smug pictures of yourself like this asshole? Never any bullets. Go to any church/cult practice? Never any bullets

    Get caught breaking these rule? Banished to our new penal colony on a cold island nd.

    Seriously our society must get rid of guns and the attitude that goes with them. Maybe castration should be on the mix too

    Also, any religious leaning at all, no visa, no immigration, if you are already here, severely restricted rights of movement, association and expression

    We have to eradicate this cancer and the attitude of these wackos. Look at his photos of himself

    Not free? Anti American? Sure, but we have a choice to build a better society. People could choose peacefulness over guns and religion.

    Back in reality, we could make it harder to buy these weapons and ban the most deadly.

  • Ogre Magi

    Muslims are despicable