Kasich: People Are Probably Born Gay [VIDEO]

John Kasich yesterday shrugged and said “probably” when a gay San Francisco man asked if he believes that people are born gay. CNN reports:

Kelly Bryan, 62, asked Kasich the question at a forum hosted by the Commonwealth of California Club, telling the Ohio governor, “Gay people are human beings and not a lifestyle choice. Please respond without prayer being an answer.”

“In terms of me, I don’t believe in discrimination,” Kasich said. “I think there is a balance, however, between discrimination and people’s religious liberties. But I think we should just try to, like, take a chill pill, relax, and try to get along with one another a little bit better instead of trying to write some law to solve a problem that doesn’t frankly exist in big enough numbers to justify more lawmaking.”

Bryan responded by saying Republicans “don’t believe in marriage equality.”

“Well, no, they don’t tell me what to do about the platform. The Republican Party is my vehicle, not my master,” Kasich replied. “I have a right to define the Republican Party, too.”

Kasich added: “I believe in traditional marriage, (but) I just went to a gay wedding,” Kasich responded. “My wife and I went to the wedding. It was great, it was fine.”

The moderator twice attempted to move to the next question but Kasich continued to engage the man, who later told CNN that he intends to vote for Hillary Clinton.

  • Probably, John?

    Christ. What an asshole.

    Bless his little heart.

  • Tigernan Quinn

    Oh you went to a gay wedding. How nice. I’m sure they loved having guests who thought that their own marriage was superior to the dog and pony show they were attending. What an asshole.

    • Circ09

      The gay guys that had the wedding are likely assholes too. What to bet they are big Republican donors?

      • j.martindale

        Or family. They just had no choice but to go.

        • no, that’s wrong. if it’s your wedding, you make the guest list. i don’t care what the excuse is. i know there were no people like Kasich at my wedding, and that was on purpose. the grooms/brides have absolute power over a wedding, and if they don’t, they still can get married without a bunch of asshole family.

          the only reason to invite people like him to a wedding is money/wedding gifts. that tells me all i need to know about the gay couple who put him on the guest list.

          • NancyP

            Well, if the asshole is a brother or a father or some other close relative and can be trusted to Shut Up and behave in a polite manner for a few hours, it might not be too bad to invite them, to keep the lines open if you feel they have a chance of learning not to be an asshole.

  • WebSlinger
    • Sporkfighter

      I don’t care if you’re born gay or chose gay, it’s not my place to judge or interfere with the private lives of consenting adults. Not mine, not Kasich’s, Cruz’s, Fiorina’s, Dead Oral Robert’s, the Pope’s, nobody but yours.

      Be as gay as you want to be or as gay as you’re born to be. The difference should make no difference.

  • bkmn

    A reminder – John Kasich is not a moderate, he is just moderate compared to Rump and Cruz.

    • TimCA

      Just packaged a little differently with a big pretty bow but essentially no real difference

      • glass

        Agreed. Just because some gift wraps dog poop, does not make it an amazing gift.

    • Reality.Bites

      Reminder – Kasich is still in fourth place in a three person race. (Rubio has more delegates).

      Really what he has to say now on any subject is irrelevant.

      • bkmn

        Though he might be a good VP pick for Rump, so for now I will keep track of what he says.

        • we live in OH. trust me, he’s just as bad.

          • NancyP

            Yep, he’s a fully paid-up member of the Womb Police (those who want to force women to bear unwanted children). In my sci-fi fantasies there is a procedure to transfer a pregnancy to a man. My bet is that the Womb Police would not volunteer.

      • Balderdashing

        What does that say about Fiorina?

    • Joseph Miceli

      Not even that. The more Kasich speaks the more stupid crap falls out of his mouth. Trump and Cruz have been taking up all the air, that’s all.

    • fuzzybits

      We in Ohio have known this for a long time.

    • teeveedub

      Funny – he’s always manages to play the “just-chill-out” card or the “get-over-it” card only when it has to do with people who aren’t just like him and he’s not the one who has to chill out or get over it.

      • Bryan

        The chill-pill-relax response is pretty damned condescending.

  • Matt

    That’s a “better” response that you’d get from most on his side of politics. It’s not a good answer, either. But all things being equal, it isn’t the most asshole-ish thing he could have said. But he’s still GOP and that’s good enough reason for me to never ever consider voting for him to be anywhere near the WH in any capacity, except on a public tour.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    “I think there is a balance, however, between discrimination and people’s religious liberties.”

    Nope, sorry. That didn’t work when assholes refused to serve blacks or Jews and it doesn’t work now. People of faith are not barred from worship in their homes or temples. In the public square, your faith is immaterial.

    • Schlukitz


    • Gerry Fisher

      We already have that “balance.” Religions are not required to marry anyone they don’t want to marry, no one is required to attend a same-sex wedding, and no one is being forced to gay marry. Oh…and no one’s even required to send a wedding gift, either.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        The fact that he said we have to “balance” anything and discrimination makes his statement a bigoted one. People used religion to discriminate against blacks, Jews, and others. That can’t ever be allowed to happen again. If you can’t sell gay people your products because of your faith, you must get into another line of work as businesses are not churches. Although, churches are often businesses.

        • Nic Peterson

          Churches are businesses, period. Didn’t Kasich say bake the g-d cake already?

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Well, I do have personal experience with one church in my area that does quite a bit for the community. Given that they are a Lutheran church in the midst of a heavily Catholic area, they aren’t rich by any means. They do a lot more for the community than any of the other churches.

            I agree that the majority of churches are businesses, but there are some that do good in their communities, which includes supporting the LGBT community.

            Despite what Kasich may have said about baking the cake, I don’t see him as being an ally. Although, they certainly should bake the damned cake.

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        • Mike in Texas

          If they’re not willing to make a sacrifice for their claimed “strongly held religious beliefs,” just how “strongly held” are they? They lose all credibility when they expect the burdens of their chosen religion to fall upon others.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Absolutely. Funny how their deeply held beliefs don’t extend to divorce and other things their bible tells them are sinful.

    • JT
      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Some of the many, many reasons I’m an atheist.

    • Especially when their new definition of “religious liberty” is complete BS to begin with.

  • I guess this is progress over W saying he didn’t know. It still leaves them decades behind the public at large (and even a lot of Republicans) but it is progress of a sort. Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not going to be throwing him a parade for being decades late on this, but it would be nice one day to have an election that’s not full of religious regressive nonsense like bathroom bills.

    • Strepsi

      Well, he doesn’t say he’s DO anything about it! Having a “personally I feel that…” moment doesn’t change the fact that the Republican platform and ALL their candidates are in favour of massive government intervention into what gay people can and can’t do.

      • I am NOT a Kasich supporter. I would never vote for him or support him. I am just pointing out that this is a tiny step in the right direction. This isn’t even in the plus column, but it’s somewhat less negative than what is the official Republican position. My point is that after going off the deep end pandering to anti-gay bigots, a few Republicans are feeling the need to at least tone down the rhetoric. Again, I’m not throwing them a parade or giving them a pass. But I am noticing a shift and that is at least not as horrifying as Republicans usually are, even if it’s not good.

    • SoCalGal20

      I heard that part of his answer on the radio last night (KNX in Los Angeles, the local CBS Radio news station) and he said something like, “Probably, but I haven’t studied it”. So not much better but a tiny step I suppose.

  • another_steve

    Oh girl, I was definitely born that way.

    I bounced out of my mama’s womb doing a line dance and wearing a sequined ballgown and feather boa!


    • Kent Calhoun

      I fell out of my moma’s womb right into a pair of her high heal shoes.~~~Leslie Jordan in My Life on the Pink Carpet.

      • Leo Tallant

        I was JUST going to write this …. he beat me to it! But I guess I should let him have this one since he IS my husband after all.

    • vorpal

      I came rushing out of my mom’s vagina and sucked the doctor’s dick.
      Nine months without penis was way the fuck too long to go.

      • another_steve

        ^^ Now THAT’S being born gay!

    • Sporkfighter

      I don’t care. It’s your life, your choice if it is a choice. It’s nobody’s business but yours. Framing it as if it’s “not your fault, you can’t help it, you were just born this way” makes it sound like you were born with a genetic disease, and a piss-poor argument for your full and equal rights. I reject that entirely. You’re just part of the wide range of human inclination, behavior, and innate characteristics, no better or worse than everyone else on that continuum, no matter your mix of innate, inclination and choice.

      Continue to go forth, and continue to be excellent! (And vote blue.)

      • another_steve

        Great comment, Sporkfighter. I also have issues with the idea that discrimination against queer people is wrong because they were “born that way.”

        Let’s say, for the sake of discussion, that someday scientists conclude beyond a shadow of a doubt that being gay is 100 percent personal choice.

        Would that in the eensy-weensy slightest bit justify or condone anti-gay discrimination?

        Of course not.

        • Sporkfighter

          Worse, what if some day they discover it is genetically caused and how to “cure” it? Two big questions: Would it be moral to preemptively prevent any children from growing up gay, and would it justify discrimination against happy gay people who chose not to be “cured”?

          I read a sci-fi detective story about this, but I don’t remember who wrote it or the title. Can anyone point me in to it?

          • another_steve

            For the sake of discussion…if a “cure” were someday discovered (say, through genetic modification), society would have to make it illegal for any medical professional to in any way participate in it.

            Not every medical procedure that is possible is ethical. Or supportable in civilized society. Society has to say “no” to them.

          • Sporkfighter

            You mean like we’ve made the current ineffective “cures” for teh gay illegal? Because we know that every unethical counselling therapy is illegal?

          • another_steve

            The legal complication with “Reparative Therapy” and its kin is that taking one of those quack cures is usually (not always, but usually) voluntary. It may be false science and destructive, but it’s voluntary.

            In my mind it’s a bit analogous to acupuncture.

            If you read up on the premise behind acupuncture, you’ll find that it’s based on completely unscientific mythology concerning magical energies and magical energy centers in the human body. But it’s voluntary and some people believe wholeheartedly in its efficacy in relieving pain and the like.

            Certainly the Placebo Effect at work — but remarkably, some health insurance plans actually cover it.

          • Wallace Muenzenberger

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    • Todd20036

      I was drug side effect

  • geoffalnutt

    Even this smarmy, bullshit answer is “thoughtful” enough to get him kicked out of The Repiglicon Party…forever. They want ‘all hate, all the time’. Sorry, John – this won’t do.

    • Chucktech

      Actually, though, they don’t get homo hate really at all from Trump. Another reason he confounds the establishment Republicans.

  • Reasonoverhate

    So how the fuck do you square that? You believe in “traditional” marriage but you went to the wedding of a gay couple. Why?

    • BobSF_94117

      The couple had “hypocrisy” on their gift registry, apparently.

    • Eric in Oakland

      The same reason they would visit a zoo, probably. It might pose a dilemma if he had officiated a gay wedding, but simply being in attendance is not an endorsement.

      • As opposed to selling em a flower. XD

        • Eric in Oakland

          Well, it’s religious belief. They’re not supposed to be reasonable or consistent. 😉

    • We don’t know that he went. We know he decided to say he went.

  • james_from_cambridge
  • Annapolitan

    “I went to a gay wedding” is the new “I have black friends.”

    • another_steve

      I bet the food at the gay wedding was the best meal he’s had in some time.

      • ceeenbee

        But, according to drumpf, the way he eats is disgusting so, I’m not sure I’d want him at a wedding.

        • another_steve

          I’m betting Kasich is a sloppy drunk at the open bars.

          At hubby’s and my wedding reception, one male friend who shall remain nameless made inappropriate overtures to the very gorgeous but very straight male bartender.

          We apologized to the bartender later.

          He confessed that he was very flattered, though.

          • Bartenders know how to deal with drunk people hitting on them. It’s an occupational hazard. It was good of you to apologize but I’m sure he’s dealt with a lot worse.

          • the bartender’s income _depends_ on people falling for him.
            He seems so sane being nice about it.
            Pictures or it didn’t happen 😀

          • another_steve

            We hired an event planner for the occasion. Hubby and I are too old and tired to personally fuss with the myriad details of a big gala. The girl’s name was Gloria. So we said to Gloria, “Hon, we want you to find us the best. The vendors don’t have to be queer themselves but they have to be 100 percent queer-friendly.”

            You see, fem that I am, I have friends that make me look like Sylvester Stallone in comparison, so I wanted hired help that would be 100 percent okay with it.

            Gloria found us this caterer that provided the most gorgeous and together guy help. (The female help was great too btw.)

            I still fantasize about running away with that bartender.

    • Jerry

      Or my version: “Some of my best bed partners were black men”. /s

      • Todd20036

        So were some of my best slaves….

  • BobSF_94117

    “It was great. It was fine. I think it should be illegal, but since it isn’t, I’ll have the rubber chicken.”

    • Chucktech

      Rubber chicken?? No, no, GAY wedding, not straight wedding…

      • David in Palm Springs

        The lubed chicken?

    • …will you have the chicken or the beef, sir?

  • Stev84

    >”I think there is a balance, however, between discrimination and people’s religious liberties”

    Fuck you, asshole

  • Human Right

    One doesn’t have to be BORN gay in order to have the right to choose a partner of the same sex. It’s a RIGHT! Just like the right to choose your religion, or your political party.

    One also has the RIGHT to change one’s mind–about whom one loves, about what one believes, and about which political party one supports. The RIGHT to love and the right to MARRY is even more fundamental than the right to support a political party like the Nazi Party, the Communist Party, and whatever it is the Republican Party is morphing into.

    I was born. I fell in love with women and men. I chose to partner with a man, and haven’t looked back. My right. Other people may have been born gay. But we do not have to buy the red herring argument that people aren’t also born with the right to choose. It’s a human right, and should never be subject to the whims of manipulative and coercive politicians, looking for a cause and for scapegoats.

    • Circ09

      What you described is the intersection between “gay” rights and “women’s” rights issues. I believe the Democrats made a huge mistake long ago separating various concerns into “special interest groups” instead of acknowledging and then defining human rights. And the root of it all is male misogyny.

      • Scratch any anti-gay bigot and you’ll find an misogynist underneath.

        • Quite true. To maintain that men are intrinsically superior there must be an assumption of a pure, perfect sex & gender binary. Anyone LGBT shows by their very existence that it is not true and therefore is a threat.

      • abel

        And there’s no getting around the fact that there has been some misogyny in gay liberation, too. The task is to understand ourselves and where our own biases are, and where they come from.

      • Matt M

        I firmly believe that hate and fear of the feminine (women, gay, femme, earth…) and the urge to control it is the root of most of the world’s suffering.

    • ceeenbee

      You are absolutely correct but, it makes his response even more pathetic knowing he thinks homosexuality is innate.

      • Jay George

        It’s just Kasich’s shallow way of pretending to be moderate. He probably had a staffer google prevailing opinions on homosexuality and is parroting that without any real understanding or concern.

    • Agreed. I’ve been saying this for years. I didn’t choose to be gay but what if I did? it’s my business and I shouldn’t be discriminated against because of it.

      • vorpal

        Similar to what I say: I never chose to be gay, but I knew that I was from an extremely young age (at four I started to become aware of it, and by seven, I was 100% sure), so I suspect that I probably was born that way, although we just aren’t certain yet of the causes of homosexuality so I can’t state it as a conclusion.

        Being gay is not a choice, but if it was, I would highly recommend it.

        • Agreed. But because sexuality is fluid in some people, we shouldn’t default to a straight/gay binary. Having done that (you probably didn’t but popular culture has) we opened ourselves up to a new line of attack from social conservatives. if sexuality is fluid, why can’t people stay on the straight side of their fluidity. It doesn’t work that way, of course. it’s far more complicated than that and since we’ve only been seriously studying sexuality for a few decades, there’s too much we don’t know to make any assumptions.

          And all that to say, all people have rights. it’s not that it doesn’t matter. Sexuality is an interesting topic. But a woman who is in a relationship with another woman even thought she is usually more attracted to men, shouldn’t lose rights as a result of that relationship. Nor should she gain or lose any if her next relationship is with a man.

          • Sporkfighter

            “if sexuality is fluid, why can’t people stay on the straight side of their fluidity.”

            Why should they have to? Why should anyone else care? Why should it be a licence to discriminate?

          • Understand these aren’t MY arguments.

            They need sexuality to be a choice because if it is then you can choose to be straight and that solves their problem. Not any of ours of course, but theirs. They view gay sex as a sin and one you choose to do. I know I know…total bullshit, but they are heavily invested in their bullshit. Just today someone online told me that every time I have gay sex I’m crucifying Jesus all over again. Since I’m not sure there ever was a historical Jesus that was crucified that made me laugh rather than upset me, but that’s how at least some of such people think. (But it’s totes okay that Kim Davis is on husband #4 because Jesus.)

          • Sporkfighter

            “Just today someone online told me that every time I have gay sex I’m crucifying Jesus all over again.”

            Damn, you are powerful! You need a spandex suit and cape!

          • Thank you for assuming I don’t already own those things.

          • Chicago joe

            If someone told me ‘every time I was having gay sex I was crucifying Jesus’, I think I would reply: ‘no, Jesus is the guy nailing me, and he’s fantastic. He also yells in Spanish when he cums.’

      • Kay

        Thank you.

        I did choose to be gay, and my legal rights shouldn’t be at risk simply because of that choice.

        Why people love each other is no concern of the law.

  • BobSF_94117

    “Take a child pill, relax. You go ahead with your cute little pretend marriage and those of us who know the Truth will just ignore it and treat you as singles. How’s that for a compromise?”

    • Gustav2

      And we will all get along just fine if you remember your place.

    • April

      He needs to take that chill pill and put it where the sun doesn’t shine.

  • MBear

    Hey Dickwipe – leave sciencing to scientists. You’re a fucking politician.

  • FAEN

    I love how he tries to sound magnanimous. He went to a gay wedding(while letting his hosts know he didn’t agree with what they were doing), doesn’t believe in discrimination but prevented a dying man from marrying his long time partner because Jeebus and in addition believes we should capitulate to religious ‘freedom’ aka BIGOTRY because hey if one bakery, or even the only bakery in town doesn’t want to bake you a cake just move on to the next one. To hell with public accommodations laws when it comes to those pesky gays.

    Gov Kasich in my opinion you are the worst of the three GOP nominees. Stop pretending you ‘tolerate’ us when you have the same desire to roll back the equality the LGBT community currently enjoys.

  • Sam_Handwich

    the “religious liberty” bullshit is a losing issue, most especially in states where the GOP needs to win.

    and i am really curious what the RNC platform will have to say about the marriage issue ….. considering the 2012 platform language:

    We reaffirm our support for a Constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. We applaud the citizens of the majority of States which have enshrined in their constitutions the traditional concept of marriage, and we support the campaigns underway in several other States to do so.

    Will it quietly disappear?

    • Reality.Bites


    • Gustav2

      It will be prefaced by a public restroom demand so the press won’t notice the rest.

  • b

    They bake cakes and takes pictures, for everyone else they call full of sin. Discrimination in your public services is and should , a non-issue. You don’t want to judge a divorcee! Jesus condemned divorcees, and said zero about gays. Public accommodations means just that: you judge ZERO. You want to be in public? Be in public.

  • Sam_Handwich

    Kasich tasted the forbidden gay cake……. BUT DID HE SWALLOW?

    • rusty57

      Look at that waistline, what do you think?

  • TimCA

    Posting here verbatim what I posted on Towleroad earlier this morning.

    John Kasich: “I’m not denying you your rights” “I’m not in favor of discrimination against anybody”

    John Kasich is just a liar. He says he isn’t in favor of discrimination but till this day he maintains that he is against “gay marriage” ie that he still supports the government actively discriminating against gay people by withholding a civil license from them .

    Repeat: John Kasich is a liar.

    • Gustav2

      Now, now, he is consistent. His father was a mail carrier, but is against any government sector unions. He loved his daddy even though he belonged to an union!

      • TimCA


    • BuckyB12

      One of the most telling things about Kasich’s attitude on this subject doesn’t get any press. He’s a member of an Anglican church in Ohio — these “Anglicans” in the US left the Episcopal Church specifically because Gene Robinson, a gay man, was made a bishop (though some of them aren’t exactly crazy about women being ordained either). It’s THE reason they left! So don’t give us this focus-group tested crap about how no one should be discriminated against when you couldn’t stand to belong to a church that allowed the full participation of gays and lesbians.

  • delk

    I just went to a gay wedding so who cares that I refused to recognize James Obergefell and John Arthur’s marriage.

    • Gerry Fisher


    • Jay George

      THANK YOU!

  • Sporkfighter

    “He has gay friends.” Yeah.

  • Scared Anon


    “The federally funded study, conducted by faith scientists at Brother Lonnie’s University of Faithfacts (B.L.U.F.F.), took 16 months and $645,000 of your tax dollars in order to conclusively link the act of masturbation with making the choice to become a homosexual.”

    • Rick

      “Faith scientists.”

      • Reality.Bites

        The site is a parody. The fact that the study was conducted by Brother Lonnie’s University of Faithfacts (B.L.U.F.F.) gives it away.

        • Scared Anon


          “Wil Wheaton, the controversial actor who was universally disliked in his role as Anakin Skywalker in the Star Wars prequels has given up masturbation. After only three months free of self rape, Wil began looking more healthy and found new roles acting in dramas Like NBC’s Chicago Fire.

          • That_Looks_Delicious


          • jimbo65

            ‘His roe as Anakin Skywalker ‘ Lol. Poor guy got hate as Ensign Crusher. Which in retrospect wasn’t well deserved.

          • Scared Anon

            Implied is that he is now EX-Gay … so … when he WAS a Gay Masturbator – why did I never have the chance to get with him?

    • Sporkfighter

      You have to read this! It’s like a middle school science fair project.

      The proof is in the science.

      It turns out that masturbators become desensitized to their own sin zones over time and an ever-increasing amount of masturbation sessions. This phenomenon, masturbation plus time equals homosexuality, can be measured with the equation:


      After making the conscious decision to turn into a homosexual, masturbators are suddenly thrust into an erotic lifestyle where they have gained access to to a seemingly limitless number of exciting new same-sex genitals.

      In conclusion, the link between masturbation and hardcore homosexuality is common sense. After all, a man getting sexually aroused by touching an erect penis sounds pretty gay to me.

      It’s so sciencey!

      • Octavio

        Mr. Wizard turned me gay. I would masturbate watching him on TV in the 50s, so it must be true. Very scientific. 🙂

        • Scared Anon

          So … are right-handed masturbators run-of-the-mill femms, and left-handed masturbators into hard-core S&M? The left hand being evil and all …

          • Octavio

            As one who is left-handed I can vouch that BDSM isn’t what it’s touted to be.

        • vorpal

          That’s kinda hot :-).

          At age 10, I would hide behind the living room couch and masturbate to Mark-Paul Gosselaar on Saved by the Bell.

      • Jay George

        Mmm hmm

    • another_steve

      If I gave up masturbation, I’d have way too much free time on my hands.

      (bad choice of words, perhaps…)

  • Yixing’s Fluffer

    Christ, this guy can’t be definitive about anything, can he? No wonder Boehner called him high maintenance.

  • Marc

    Okay, great. We’ve been telling you this for years now. But guess what? Even if it weren’t, your religion doesn’t get to restrict us that choice.

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    Kasich: “The Republican Party is my vehicle, not my master”.

    Yeah, well, his chosen vehicle is anti-gay and pro-discrimination.

    • Octavio

      Plus, it has four bad tires and gets terrible mileage.

      • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

        The vehicle is about to be recalled.

        • recalls would imply regulations. No regulations, no recalls!

      • Marides48

        It’s heading down hill with no brakes!

        • See what happens when you let the Palin Clan near things?

        • Todd20036

          but its trunk is yugeee!!!

      • coram nobis

        It emits toxic exhaust and it keeps veering to the right.

      • Robincho

        … and the engine knocks like a motherfucker…

    • Jerry

      Sometimes you need to trade in for a better vehicle.

    • D. J.

      Nobody will take a Trabant in on trade. He’s stuck with it…/s

  • ceeenbee

    So then, let me get this “straight”. Kasich doesn’t believe in something he believes is inborn and thinks that we should just accept discrimination because we should.


  • j.martindale

    The natural followup to his claim that we should have a “balance” between discrimination and religious libertis is, “Who do you believe we should discriminate against using our religious rights besides LGBT people? Or are they the only ones that should be the object of discrimination?” And the answer is, “Religious people claim the right to discriminate against anyone they believe are sinners. And they also get to decide what is sin.”

  • Hank

    Hmmm. He did not say ” He was not a Scientist/Geneticist” so he is NOT capable of giving such a response.” We just we a “Probably” Isn’t HE “Special”!!! Makes me wonder what his response to Climate Change might be! /s

  • Mark McGovern

    I know there are many short comings in his policies, but he is Republican. Nonetheless, he seems decent overall as compared to the rest of the bunch, and the least likely to actively pursue anti-gay legislation.

    • I wouldn’t count on that. Sometimes a Republican without strong ties to the religious right winds up having to cave to them more to placate an important party wing that doesn’t like them to begin with. I don’t think W cared that much about gay rights either but he happily ran on a very anti-gay platform. Not that it matters. Kasich has no chance at getting the nomination, even in a contested convention.

      • Mark McGovern

        Agreed. He just seems somewhat decent. Haven’t really looked into his record.

      • Many good points. We can’t be sure, though, that the GOP won’t change its rules before summer.

        • True. They can change their rules although some of those are state party rules (like delegates being bound for a certain number of rounds of voting…varies by state) but yes they could change certain rules to make things possible. In 2012 they added a rule that the nominee had to have won a certain number of primaries, but they could drop that would if they want to. We won’t know until the rules committee meets this summer.

          • Wait, that’s by design: people vote, and they decide the rules AFTERward. Grrr let’s hope they make all the rethuglicans too mad to vote.

          • It’s ALWAYS been that way. In both parties. There is nothing in the Constitution about political parties or primaries or delegates or any of that. The parties could just meet and select the nominee. They did it that way for well over 100 years. And then in the 20th century a few states decided to hold primaries and the idea caught on but only after going round after round at the conventions made for bad tv at the conventions. The last time we went into a convention without knowing for sure who the nominee was going to be was 1976, but that used to be how it always worked.

    • Stev84

      That says less about him, but more about how absolutely insane the rest are. Kasich is pretty right-wing, but because he isn’t a foam-at-the-mouth-lunatic he seems downright moderate.

    • NedFlaherty

      In its latest platform, the GOP vows to oppress LGBT people in 12 specific ways.

      GOP candidates Ted Cruz and Carly Fiorina insist that they know exactly what is and isn’t moral, and that others do not. They are vowing that they will regulate the private morality of every citizen, via state and federal laws, and even via the U.S. Constitution, if they have to. They are never embarrassed or ashamed to admit this ; in fact, they relish every moment.

      But when asked to consider the unfairness of his own bigotry, Kasich is willing to temporarily think about it a little bit. That’s why he “seems somewhat decent” to you.

      Ultimately, though, Kasich remains beholden to his party’s platform (which he hasn’t read), he represents his party’s leaders, and he is controlled by his party’s power structure, office-holders, and voters. The suggestion that he might not be violently anti-LGBT himself is irrelevant, because whenever push comes to shove, Kasich does exactly whatever his party demands of him.

    • NedFlaherty

      Mark McGovern writes that Kasich’s policies have “many shortcomings, but he is a Republican.”

      That is untrue.

      Yes, Kasich’s policies have many shortcomings, but no, those shortcomings don’t automatically decrease just because he’s a Republican.

      They’re shortcomings!

      That means they are failures of one sort or another, based on their own deficiencies. Kasich himself chose these policies — including their deficiencies.

      His being a Republican doesn’t reduce the number of his harmful policies.
      His being a Republican doesn’t reduce the shortcomings in his policies.
      His being a Republican doesn’t reduce the harm he does to real people.

      Yes, he acts as if he’s innocent, harmless, reasonable, and “in the middle.” But no, he’s not any of those things. He still wants LGBT citizens to be oppressed by any other citizens who claim religious superstition as the excuse.

      The U.S. Constitution denies any such religious power to all citizens. And even if religions could excuse bigotry and waive compliance with laws, there is no way to decide which religions would rule over which other religions.

      Kasich says that anyone opposing same-gender civil marriage should be allowed to discriminate just because of their religion, but he won’t allow the religions of same-gender couples to outrank the religions of anti-LGBT bigots.

      In Kasich’s world, anti-LGBT people always get to claim religion as an excuse, but LGBT people never get to claim religion as a defense.
      For him, the issue isn’t religion at all. He wants special, religious privileges reserved for anti-LGBT people only.

    • IamM

      Seems is the key word. His actual record tells a different story.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    “probably”?? You mean the way blacks are “probably” born black?? What a dumbass.

  • teedofftaxpayer

    At least he’s closer to this century than the others.

    • IamM

      Only in rhetoric.

  • Ninja0980

    Read between the lines on his statements.
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, this guy is a rightwing asshole and no ally of ours.

    • Lakeview Bob

      I completely agree.

  • sherman

    Well Kasich, there are a lot of people in central Ohio who claim that YOU were born gay.

  • 3-Star

    “I went to a gay wedding.” Reminds me when a white person says they know someone who is black.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    People are “probably” born gay. He would “probably” not sign a bathroom bill. He’s definitely not going to be President.

    • Gianni

      😀 Finally, a definitive statement.

  • Carl

    He tries to be vague so people can hear what they want to hear. He thinks we’re stupid.

    • customartist

      Republicans are always nice BEFORE the election.

    • IamM

      Most of the people who might vote for him are stupid enough to fall for it and he knows that.

  • Gigi

    What was it, great or fine?

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      Actually it was fabulous but he can’t say that word because he’s a Republican.

  • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

    Where is this tool getting his money at this point? 1/41 and he continues on…even Don Quioxte eventually gave up.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Don Quixote only gave up at the very end shortly before he died.

  • customartist

    Oh there are not “big enough numbers” for laws of equality to be created, according to Kasich.
    And people are probably born gay but “My State of Ohio should refuse to acknowledge the marriage of a terminally ill man” – [re: Obergefell]
    Kasich is no moderate!
    Like Bush, he will simply SAY what he needs to say to get elected, and then Govern to the Right.

  • Steven B

    “I went to a gay wedding.” is the 2016 version of “Some of my best friends are black.”

    • Joseph Miceli

      Can you imagine: “This is John, my “Republican” friend.” Suddenly, everyone in the room takes a step back and the smiles become strained.

      • Balderdashing

        Yes, yes I can, in just about any gathering of sensible people.

  • Kasich replied. “I have a right to define the Republican Party, too.”

    no, no you don’t.

  • fiizok

    Born gay? Not me! I freely chose to become gay after witnessing the abject horrors of the heterosexual lifestyle.

  • sherman
    • coram nobis

      Mark Twain wrote a one-page essay about an answered prayer, titled “Letter to the Earth.” It’s a howl.


      … As regards your prayers, for the week ending the 19th, I have the honor to report as follows:

      1. For weather to advance hard coal 15 cents a ton. Granted.

      2. For influx of laborers to reduce wages 10 percent. Granted.

      3. For a break in rival soft-coal prices. Granted.

      4. For a visitation upon the man, or upon the family of the man, who has set up a competing retail coal-yard in Rochester. Granted, as follows: diphtheria, 2, 1 fatal; scarlet fever, 1, to result in deafness and imbecility, Note. This prayer should have been directed against this subordinate’s principals, the N. Y. Central R. R. Co. …

      • another_steve

        Lol. Great one.

        How can anyone disprove the power of prayer? It can’t be done. If your prayer didn’t work, you didn’t pray “hard enough.” Or “genuinely” enough.

        How can anyone disprove the existence of deities? Can’t be done. They keep themselves hidden to test your unending faith and confidence in them.

        This is why — with some notable exceptions — institutional religion (not spirituality or the human religious impulse, but institutional religion) is the greatest and most successful scam in the history of humankind.

  • sword

    Kasich: ” If you are Black and a restaurant won’t serve you…just leave and find one that will”. Shades of the 1960’s.

  • “I don’t believe in discrimination … I think there is a
    balance, however, between discrimination and people’s religious

    Doesn’t the second half of that sorta negate the first half…completely?

    • coram nobis

      Why? Because the GOP in particular is peddling a civics falsehood, and that the right of free exercise of religion somehow is paramount over the rest of the Constitution, and its users can assert it to the detriment of nonbelievers. Checks and balances don’t seem to come into it, and a lot of the politicians peddling this lie probably know better from taking Con. Law in law school.

      There’s a balance between liberties, period, including equal protection under the law, and Kasich knows better. He’s lying and he’s perpetuating a big lie.

      • Stev84

        I don’t know. A lot of people genuinely seem to believe that crap. Even many moderates pay lip service to it. You hardly ever see anyone saying that rights have limits and need to be balanced.

        • coram nobis

          RBG did say something to that effect in Hobby Lobby — but it was a dissent. Big diff, she said in effect, between a church or faith community of the same believers, and a nonprofit or business that has employees, clients or tenants that might not share that faith.

  • Balderdashing

    There is a balance, and it ends when you deny services selectively based on your religious beliefs or try to claim special privileges to be a jerk because of your chosen system of mass delusion.

    I also believe some people are born intentionally obtuse, like when they continue to deny evolution or genetic science in the face of overwhelming, consistently reproducible evidence. Now, in contrast, let’s talk about the proven ineffectiveness of prayer, and what that would tell a half-way rational person.

  • Gerry Fisher

    I really hate how this guy uses this veneer of seeming reasonable while continuing to enable the haters. If the same-sex wedding was “just fine,” then why did he actively oppose them up until a year ago?

    • coram nobis

      Maybe he reads polls.

      Or, maybe he had a talk with Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH). Nothing like having a gay son come out to you to suddenly make you turn 180.

      • Reality.Bites

        Tell that to the governor of Alabama.

        • coram nobis

          Let Kasich tell him. Would be an interesting conversation.

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    Kasich, you are a horrible ‘man.’

  • coram nobis

    So, he went to a gay wedding, and it was just fine. It’s as lame as “some of my best friends have gay weddings”. And he wants to balance it against people’s religious liberties.

    Tell it to Janice Langbehn, Governor.


    I’m sure the hospital front desk person could claim religious liberty.

    It’s interesting that the President started singing a different tune after he had met Ms. Langbehn. You see, Governor, being married is something more than white lace and promises.

  • anne marie in philly

    NO FUCKING SHIT! people are born gay or str8, period.

    in other news, kasich:
    water is wet
    the sky is blue
    and the GOP
    is full of asses like you

  • coram nobis

    Just for the record: he voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, and supported an Ohio ballot initiative that banned not just same-sex marriage but “legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance or effect of marriage”.

    So it’s nice that he’s vaguely pleasant about it now but I’m not hearing a come-to-Cheeses repentance, not yet.

    • KnownDonorDad

      And the SCOTUS case was originally Obergefell v. Kasich. It’s nice to see him ease up rather than double down on the issue like Cruz, at least.

      • EXCELLENT point.
        Why couldn’t Katich have come out back then to say, “This is wrong.”
        Because he’s a weasel?

        • KnownDonorDad

          No guts to stand up to the religious right.

          • Um, true but also: Katich _talks_ a moderate game, but in deeds he IS the religious right.

          • Gianni

            He can’t show that kind of guts and still believe that he would stand any sort of a chance of being the party’s nominee. 🙂 Of course, he doesn’t stand a chance anyway, but he’s a Republican and wouldn’t burn those bridges even if he possessed that kind of courage.

  • freedom_72

    “I don’t see any reason to hurt you or discriminate you or make you feel bad or make you feel like a second class citizen” (…)
    I just don’t think that you should have the same rights as heterosexuals, why can’t you be a little more tolerant?

  • jomicur

    Gee, I wonder if Kasich is opposed to nondiscrimination protections for Christians, too. Shouldn’t we all take a chill pill and then go ahead and discriminate against them?

  • KnownDonorDad

    “instead of trying to write some law to solve a problem that doesn’t frankly exist in big enough numbers to justify more lawmaking.


  • freedom_72

    Kelly Bryan: “Republicans don’t believe in marriage equality, it’s your platform.
    Kasich: “Well, is it??”

    that’s the biggest line of BS of the whole clip, I just can’t stand these faux moderates playing dumb and lying through their teeth, it makes my blood boil arrgghhh

  • fuzzybits

    What will I do about this 48 year old phase?

  • Tempus Fuggit

    shrugged and said “probably” people are born gay.

    Water is probably wet. »shrug« It’s probably cold atop Mt. Everest. »shrug« A healthy lawn is probably green. »shrug« A red traffic light probably means stop. »shrug«

    I don’t believe in discrimination, I think there is a balance, however, between discrimination and people’s religious liberties

    Oh! So, like, we want to avoid too much discrimination, but we want to find that balance of just enough discrimination.

    I think we should just try to, like, take a chill pill, relax, and

    …and just, like, understand that civil liberties are for every American who’s white, straight, and adheres to one of the approved kinds of Christianity. Or Judaism is mostly OK, too. And the great thing about this country—God’s country—is that once all the straight white Christians have their fill of civil liberties and privileges, there’s sometimes enough left over—oops, and the Jews—there’s sometimes enough left over for women and gays and even atheists to have a taste from time to time.

    • Gianni

      Yeah, “take a chill pill, relax…… and stop asking me those goddamned questions trying to back me into a corner. I’m a Republican politician and, like any slimy worm, I can squirm and slither out of any situation in a way that makes my voting base happy.

    • David Milley

      This is why Kasich gives me the creeping horrors.

  • Mike C

    Republicans are probably born assholes.

  • aar9n

    I have black friends

  • billbear1961

    We are the left hand to your right hand, and will not tolerate what YOU would not tolerate if you were subjected to the discrimination that we are.

    It is THAT simple–there will be NO concessions.



  • oikos

    People are definitely born gay, dipshit. They are not born christianist bigots.

  • For a Republican he sounsd like an ultra liberal commie. I am surprised they will let him speak at their convention.

    • Stev84

      And given that he is an ardent right-winger, that tells you just how insane the party is.

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      He is actually an arch-conservative condescending prick, as illustrated to the way he spoke to a young woman about rape… she just had to avoid parties with alcohol being served.

      • another_steve

        Thank you. He also has a bad history on LGBT issues. Actions and statements. It’s documented and available to anyone who cares to google for it.

        He’s somewhat more savvy and restrained in the hateful rhetoric department, though — so compared to the other Republican monsters he comes off as a moderate.

  • Ross


    People are probably born gay?

    If this is true, does this mean that sexual orientation might be…inborn?

    If so, GASP! Because, this means that some people might also be born…heterosexual.

    Wow. I just cannot get my head around this. For, I always thought being heterosexual was a lifestyle choice.

    • another_steve

      Lol. Love that.

      My prediction (someone please diary this so my prediction can be established as right or wrong) is that 500 years from now, science will conclude that biological assignment of sexual orientation is a natural and completely neutral selection process designed to help ensure that a certain percentage of the population propagates and a certain percentage does not.

  • JamesStone

    It’s 1966. We are an interracial couple that is getting married. We go to a bakery and they say “because of my religious beliefs I don’t believe in interracial marriage.” My governor just said “find another bakery that will.” What if you lived in a small town in the South that only had one or two bakeries?
    If he didn’t believe in same sex weddings..why did he go to one? Hypocrisy..thy name is our “soon to be gone ” John Kasich.

  • ‘Til Tuesday

    I’d have a more favorable view of Kasich if he didn’t join a breakaway Episcopal church that was started specifically to be anti-gay. Besides, one has to look at the actions a person takes. Kasish had the state of Ohio file a brief opposing marriage equality, and he has done nothing toward adding LGBT people to Ohio’s anti-discrimination law. He’s no friend of gay people.

  • Smokey

    And John Kasich was “probably” born human.

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme


      • Homo Erectus

        Being Republican is a choice.

  • Bj Lincoln

    If you believe that we should have the same rights and freedoms as everyone else, why doesn’t Ohio have state wide protections? Why have we not heard anything about Ohio except it was an Ohioan who ‘forced’ gay marriage on the nation because the state refused to add his name to his husbands death certificate? Just because you don’t appear pressured by the party platform doesn’t mean it’s not there or pushed on the nominee or President. You can’t half ass this issue.

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  • Glen

    Ha! That was fucking awesome.

    Please respond without prayer being an answer.

    That should be amended to every question asked of a Republican.

  • edrex

    Yes I was born gay, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have to practice.