NORTH CAROLINA: Pro-LGBT Groups Urge AG Loretta Lynch To Threaten School Funding Over Hate Law

Dominic Holden reports at Buzzfeed:

The country’s top LGBT legal organizations urged federal officials on Thursday to make it clear that passing anti-LGBT laws like one in North Carolina will jeopardize their federal education funding.

In their letter to White House counsel Neil Eggleston and U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch, the five groups write, “This administration must make definitively clear that wholesale requirements of sex discrimination like [North Carolina’s] HB 2 will put federal funding at risk.”

North Carolina — which is slated to receive $4.5 billion in federal education funds next year — passed a law in March that, among other measures, bans transgender students from using school facilities that correspond with their gender identity.

The letter was sent by the ACLU, Lambda Legal, the National Center for Lesbian Rights, and the Transgender Law Center.

  • Baby Dave

    Pull their highway funding, too

    • billbear1961

      Send the hateful bastards back to the goddamned STONE AGE!

  • bkmn

    The threat of loss of $4.5B in federal funds might have a very large impact on the haterz.

    • fuow

      I doubt it, that’s more than they can count of both hands and toes.

  • TMA

    The response when she ultimately does pull funding: “Loretta WHO?!”

    • lymis

      The sort of people who rant about “unelected black-robed lawyers” aren’t going to be overly respectful of unelected actually-black lawyers, especially one who works for a Democrat, much less one who is himself not white.

    • greenmanTN

      Yeah, poor Loretta Lynn’s gonna be looking at her royalty statements wondering, “What the Hell happened to my sales?”

  • greenmanTN

    And that tactic might work if the people who support these laws actually gave a shit about education. They didn’t learn anything so why should anyone else?

    • John L

      They don’t. Via the FB page of one of our few rational Senators:

      • Sporkfighter

        But Jesus!

      • Blake Jordan

        Is education*, at least to the high school level, not a right in the USA?

        *well at least a decent one

        • CB

          I don’t think it’s a right per se. It is, however, a responsibility of government, and one that is abandoned to the peril of the future.

        • metrored

          HAHAHA That’s adorable!
          It’s compulsory to a certain degree depending on the state but there is no federal right to a decent education. Most of the individual states guarantee a quality education but they get to decide for themselves what counts as quality so it’s all over the map.
          The rule of thumb though is that the expensive areas have the spectacular schools and the poorest areas are lucky to have a building that hasn’t caved in.

      • Reality.Bites

        And while we’re in a period of low inflation, it’s not non-existent. So you can reduce those 2015-16 numbers by a good 10%.

      • customartist

        This should be publicized more widely.

    • MarkOH

      That’s my concern. What these people NEED is education.

      • fuow

        What they need is a dose of history 1865, oh about April 26 or round-abouts might be a place to start.

  • shellback

    We don’t need no stinkin’ ejukashun.

  • Traxley Launderette

    You know that there are some in NC who’ll claim that they don’t need that big government handout anyway for fancy book learnin’ when they got Jesus on their side.

    • ceeenbee

      Keep the males stupid and the females barefoot and pregnant. That sums up the platform of the republican party.

      • MBear

        it’s been working for awhile now

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      • greenmanTN

        Can’t we at least take turns? I know men can’t get pregnant but we can try! 😉

        • David Walker

          You mean you don’t have fetuses in your testicles, ready to be shot out your ass? Does the right reverend manning know this?

          • greenmanTN

            I haven’t given in yet. I’m gonna keep trying!

          • greenmanTN

            Hmmm. You know, it might be worth trying to convince some of the men around here that it’s true though! I mean you’d think that if that 250 lb girl across the street can get knocked 3 times, by 3 men, in 3 years, they’ll pretty much fall for anything!

          • David Walker

            Sounds reasonable to me. Go for it! Go with gusto.

          • greenmanTN

            LOL! Sorry, it’s been a strange two days and I’m being even more goofy than usual. I usually try to be funny, but not strange!

          • David Walker

            Not to worry. It’s Friday. Onward!

    • The bilebull is the only book need for edumication in the south!!

    • Nic Peterson

      Y’uns don’t need no book readin’.

      — Liberal Redneck

    • Gerry Fisher

      Let ’em try to take that road…

  • geoffalnutt

    What?! The last thing we need is for these folks to be dumber!! They need more education, not less! Highway, military, etc – not education!! (snark)

  • Blake Jordan

    My question is why they have not done it already…

    • customartist

      Good question.
      Keep up the pressure.
      Contact the whitehouse.

    • David Walker

      I wonder, though, if fed ed funding can be diverted like the tobacco ed money was. Depending on the state, money was either dedicated to health issues or none of it was, but nary a question was raised. Are state education departments held accountable for the spending? Or can the money allocations be fudged?

  • Prion

  • Sam_Handwich

    Is NC appealing the recent ruling by a 4th circuit panel? Are they seeking an en banc review, or making noises about the Supreme Court?

    • Reality.Bites

      The ruling about the school in Virginia? They have no standing to appeal, but I believe the school board in question is seeking en banc.

      • Sam_Handwich

        ohhh thanks. i was thinking that suit was filed in NC. oops

  • MikeinATL

    HRC nowhere to be found…

    • Reality.Bites

      Quick everyone! Let’s check all the cocktail bars!

    • Corsair Tact

      As much as I dislike them, this is being framed as a matter of law, so those are the groups who sent the letter. I’m sure they weren’t even invited to participate. I imagine all the other LGBT rights orgs, particularly the ACLU, probably feel the same way we do about them.

      • fuow

        Nope. I’ve been told by the HRC-Bots here many times over the last few years that this sort of federal/state clash is precisely the domain of HRC.
        They’re just not interested because it’s those “T” people – you know, the ones, they threw off the bus, backed up and ran over again. Don’t ‘they know their place?
        This was THE opportunity for HRC to prove people like me wrong. To show that they really do support the rights of transgender people, especially when it costs money to do so.

        • Corsair Tact

          You’re giving them way more credit than I ever would.

  • MikeinATL

    Perhaps it would be better to threaten them with MORE education funds… You know how some in the south hate education.

    • TJay229


      I’m from the South and I found your comment cruel but funny as hell!

  • TexasBoy

    But, wouldn’t such a threat be EXACTLY what the right wingers want before the election? It would bring together their conservative base on the premise that the Supreme Court vacancy HAS to be filled by a conservative, else their “religious rights” will be gone for sure. It could also breathe new life into the Governor’s bid for re-election, which at this time, seems dead.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      The problem is that they pull nasty shit even if you don’t push back. I’m a little tired of the whole “we have to step gingerly so they don’t attack.” I’ve seen pro-choice side just lose and lose and lose because the anti-choice people kept attacking at all angles all the time and got to frame the issues. Nobody should make that kind of mistake here. They have attacked first and will continue to attack until they actually start to bleed.

      This law has to be stopped at its source because there are whole bunch of state legislatures who are only hesitating because the business bleed has been so bad for NC. Add school funding cut and maybe they’ll shelve it permanently.

      • fuow

        Yes! This! Exactly this.

    • customartist

      Surely the Obama administration is trying to figure out just how the handling of this issue will affect the upcoming election, and on balance with the concerns of LGBT people, and the law.

      I firmly believe that President Obama is in our corner if anyone is.

  • Sam_Handwich

    Megyn Kelly went at it with McCrory

    • bryan

      Women use stalls. And he can’t answer. It’s like McCrory never knew.

      • Reality.Bites

        But wait. Horses use stalls. How dare you call the women of the great state of North Carolina horses. I’m walking off the set!

        • fuow

          Horses sweat, men perspire, women glow.
          If you get that, you understand why this asswipe is so incapable of grasping the harm he’s done to NC.

          • billbear1961

            Republicans don’t CARE about the country.

            They care about absolutely NOTHING but THEMSELVES.

            They seek solely to enrich themselves by plundering the state and ingratiating themselves with the 1%.

            They care only about the accumulation of personal wealth and power.

            Fuow, they are TRAITORS, truly the enemy within, the bosom serpent.

            And if they aren’t stopped and sent packing, they will totally undermine democracy and DESTROY this republic.

    • greenmanTN

      I never know quite what to think Megan Kelly. In clips like this, and others, you think, “She seems to get it!” Then in others she can be kinda awful about gay issues.

      McCrory is so full of shit!

      • billbear1961

        Yes, she said last year that the answer to the “religious freedom” law controversy was for each state to extend full LGBT protections.

        If these laws aren’t about discrimination, why is extending full protections a problem??

        Well, because these laws ARE about discrimination, OF COURSE!!

      • LovesIrony

        “Thanks tony, it’s good to have you back” she always says to the spokesman for a klan packed hate goup. When they start going after him instead of wiping his ass…then i will be conflicted…until then, she’s a lap dog giving a platform to those that hate us.

        • customartist


      • customartist

        Megyn varies her positions based upon the particular viewing demographics on different days and times, and be certain that FOX News knows these demographics.

        McCrory is not empathetic to LBBT issues. And he does not dislike the incorrect assumptions about trans people – he has USED these perceptions to his favor. He has done Nothing to correct his supporters’ beliefs that trans people are molesters.

        A liar, is a liar, is a liar.


    Hey. The kids already have enough hurdles to jump. Don’t make it harder on them. This is a GOP kind of move. Don’t do it.

    • Todd20036

      Except that federal money always came with strings attached. No discrimination or no money. Pick one.

      You take away that requirement, and plenty of other states will enact anti-LBGT policies because there won’t be any consequences

      • William


  • bkmn

    O/T – MS having record rains/flooding…almost like Dog is mad at them for something…

    • MBear

      let them bail themselves out

      • William

        “Thank you for calling FEMA. Please continue to hold, your call is very important to us….”

    • Hank

      Lets send them “pinheads” (Bush) FEMA Chief, Michael “Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job.” Brown. and see how that “floats”! /s

  • goofy_joe

    Cutting education from their children will just create our own little North Korea enclave of stupidity in America. The dangers of having an entire state run by the theocracy is beyond consideration…let’s not jump cut off our nose to spite our face.

    • Xuuths

      Only if they continue to choose to have this heinous law in place. They started the problem, made it worse, and should have to accept responsibility for the repercussions. We expect all teenagers to learn this.

      If the good parents of the state don’t want to lose the funding, they can pressure their politicians. If not, then really it’s what the parents of the state want.

      • goofy_joe

        When it comes to education, if you’re uneducated, you’re not going to care what kind of education your children get. When that happens, we have this cycle of ignorance that has to be stemmed somewhere. That’s where things like state education standards and schools come in. These people are too ignorant to make a rational decision about their children’s education.

        Plus, the people we would be hurting here are the kids who have no say in these laws, and they don’t even know they’d be hurt yet. All they know is that the big bad government punished them for something they didn’t do, and then again we have an entire generation who grows up distrusting and hating the government.

        No matter how you try and justify it, taking education away isn’t a good option.

        • Xuuths

          I’d have to disagree. Often uneducated parents are extremely motivated to have their children get an education, because they know firsthand how ignorance has held them back. Most parents want their children to have a better life.

          Again, if the people of the state don’t care, then they are making a conscious choice — and ignorant poor decision-making voters are exactly equal to well informed voters under the law, and in terms of the repercussions of their votes.

          And like a teenager, sometimes you have to let them make bad decisions and suffer the consequences of them, in order for them to learn and make better choices in the future.

          • customartist

            These “uneducated” parents however don’t want their children to be taught “liberal” values, and they don’t want “men in womens’ restrooms”. It’s a tossup.

          • billbear1961

            But they will NOT learn.

            Everything is somehow the fault of godless LIBERALS.

            This is drummed into them by the ONLY people they will listen to, the very people who are RUINING their lives and their democracy.

            Without the Fairness Doctrine, destroyed under Reagan, they often don’t even HEAR contrary arguments. Most “journalists” in this benighted country have ABDICATED their responsibility–their DUTY–to expose LIES and unearth and disseminate the TRUTH!!

            In any case, right-wing voters aren’t interested in TRUTH and the FACTS–OR in fairness for “The Other”! They are “poor, persecuted victims,” and THEIR country is being STOLEN from them!

          • goofy_joe

            We will have to agree to disagree. 🙂

        • fuow

          I must disagree with you. The exact same arguments were (and still are!) put forward regarding black and brown children and their education.
          Our transgender brothers and sisters must not be abandoned.

        • customartist

          I don’t think it would get to that point. The Fed would first notify the State that they have been found to be in violation of HB2. Then the State would likely file suit in either Federal court, or with SCOTUS, being the defiant Conservativesthat they are. They have sworn to not repeal HB2. It would be fast tracked, and the State would lose.

          In the meantime though, I believe that the Obama Administration is concerned how this issue would affect the general election. There are a lot of idiots on the other side who would make an even more explosive issue of this whole thing. Hillary would be asked if she shuupts “men in womens’ restrooms”, and this might likely play poorly for her.

          That is one possible scenario.

  • billbear1961

    Yes, ACT in the name of the Constitution, Attorney General Lynch–in the name of JUSTICE!!

  • infmom

    Bad idea. Those guys place zero value on education. If there are economic threats to be made, they’d better be against cigarettes and NASCAR.

  • Dan Robinson

    Republicans love the uneducated. just ask Drumpf.

  • The_Wretched

    The hate bill HB2 is bad enough but let’s not forget that NC is pushing voter suppression to the limit as well.

  • customartist

    Title IX does not put educational funding “at risk”.

    Title IX clearly PROHIBITS the Federal funding of educational facilities throughout the entire United States, including North Carolina, based upon sex discrimination.

    HB2 codifies sex discrimination into State law.


  • fuow

    I agree – it’s time to make clear that the US Constitution trumps the CSA’ laws.

  • metrored

    Going after education funding seems like a bit too much. The only people that could possibly be hurt by this are children and teachers. I’m not down with that kind of collateral damage. What about going after highway funds or law enforcement grants?

    • Hank

      Not sure that either of those two would be related to Hate Bill 2. A removal of Title IX funding IS related and would be restored, when the GLBT Civil Rights are restored!! Carrot and Stick…

      • metrored

        I understand the concept of carrot and stick. That doesn’t make me any more comfortable with this particular stick.

      • William

        It should be ‘Carrot and Sledgehammer’.

    • William

      Like Todd says farther down the thread, if the feds don’t cut funding now, other states will pass anti-LGBT laws.

    • Reality.Bites

      Going after trans kids seems a bit much and they’re already being hurt.

      • metrored

        I’m not sure if you’re taking the side that it’s more important to stick up for trans kids or that trans kids are also vulnerable to education cuts in addition to everything else they have to go through.

  • Frank Elliott

    The federal government has the power to regulate interstate commerce. Cut-off North Carolina’s Mountain Dew supply. It will help the dental health of the state’s children and force the snake-jugglers to demand the repeal of HB2.

  • JCF

    Time for hard ball!

  • Maggie 4NoH8


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