Feds Release Records On Hundreds Of Religious Schools Allowed To Discriminate Against LGBT Students

Dominic Holden reports at Buzzfeed:

The Department of Education on Friday published thousands of pages of documents on religious schools applying for, and receiving, permission to discriminate against LGBT people and women — even though the schools continue to receive federal education funds.

Dorie Nolt, a spokesperson for the department, told BuzzFeed News, “Due to exceptional public demand for more information on this topic, we are posting documents related to this on our website to provide transparency around this issue.”

The records are available on a department webpage that includes records from 232 religious schools, including their applications to be exempt from civil rights laws banning sex-based discrimination in school, and letters from federal officials granting those requests. It also includes records from another 31 schools with pending requests. It appears no request has ever been denied.

The records were make public after a request from eight Senators who are seeking transparency on school funding. Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) tells Buzzfeed, “The Department of Education is helping students and parents get all the facts before they decide where to invest their higher education dollars.”

Hit the link for much, much more from Dominic Holden.

  • Dot Beech

    Deplorable that discriminating schools are funded with public money. Absolutely deplorable.

    • Bluto

      OUR public money. Isn’t it great that our tax dollars fund discrimination against us.

  • skyweaver

    NO. WRONG. UNACCEPTABLE. STOP THIS RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

  • bkmn

    Stop using public dollars to subsidize schools that don’t serve everyone.

  • Michael Smith

    I’m fine with a truly private school denying admission to anyone for any reason, but why should we fucking pay for it?

    • JD

      Don’t know about everywhere, by in my jurisdiction (BC, Canada), it is the provision of government funding that allow reach to ensure that curriculum meets the standard.

  • oikos

    Cut the purse strings now. Why are we paying to be discriminated against. Fuck hate!

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    Tax. The. Fucking. Church.
    They get money from us and then use it to discriminate against us. They want to get federal dollars, fine. Then pay taxes. And leave us the fuck alone.
    Or better, just close down. Assholes.

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      This! Puerto Rico is looking at starting to tax for profit churches. Their motivation is the economic crisis in the country, not the fairness of it, but it still something.

      • Guest

        Yes, and according to Repugs (despite evidence to the contrary but you know….OBAMA) we are in an economic crisis too! As Trump would say, the economy is a disaster! So yeah let’s start taxing those churches.

      • Nychta

        That would be great. Here’s a link to an article about this.
        http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2016/04/29/3773874/puerto-rico-tax-exempt-churches/

        The IRS needs to wake up. According to the article:

        “Technically, churches are legally prohibited from operating as a for-profit company or taking explicitly political positions, but the International Revenue Service (IRS) rarely enforces such laws. Some have even openly dared the government to crack down on offending houses of worship, with little result: in 2014, more than 1,800 pastors in all 50 states and Puerto Rico participated in “Pulpit Freedom Sunday” by endorsing candidates in front of their congregations. They then mailed their sermons to the IRS, but the officials took virtually no action whatsoever.”

        • marshlc

          And yet there are thousands of Christians who sincerely believe that Christianity is under dire threat in the US, that all hands are raised against them.

          It must be so tiring maintaining that level of cognitive dissonance.

          • The_Wretched

            The christian (esp catholics) are under dire threat in the U.S. The laity are leaving in droves due to the never ending sex abuse scandals, ties to the republicans and the internet providing people ideas and interesting things that make churches all the more boring and irrelevant.

        • Raising_Rlyeh

          The ADF or whatever the fuck the initialism for that organization is is behind pulpit freedom. They want to a church to be charged because they want a precident that would, they think, allow churches to maintain their tax-exempt status and be as political as they want to be.

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            FLAGGED for SPAM

        • Nychta

          About a year and a half ago former Houston Mayor Annise Parker sought to subpoena church sermons by pastors who were using the pulpit to push back against Houston’s equal rights ordinance.

          Ted Cruz reacted, “This week, the government of Houston, Texas, sent a subpoena to silence prayers.”

          • William

            Make Annise Parker the head of the IRS.

        • Delphini

          It’s funny they wanted to use the courts to change a law. When gays do that it’s wrong and courts aren’t supposed to be used that way.

    • Ginger Snap

      Upvote a million bajiion times, and don’t forget to VOTE.

    • Baby Dave

      Unfortunately, the churches will use such commentary as fuel for their paranoid fantasies.

      If it were up to me, I’d bar public expression of religion by elected officials and civil servants while on duty. What they do in their off time is their own business. However, while they are being paid by the taxpayers, they need to comport themselves in a manner which conveys equal acceptance toward every one of their constituents, whether religious or non-religious. The only way to do that, of course, is to express no religion openly.

      And as much sense as that argument makes, saying so openly would be met immediately with howls of condemnation. “They’re censoring religious expression! Better dead than Red!”

      So too with church taxation. It absolutely makes perfect sense, its something we ought to have done since 1776. Now how do we make that argument in a way that will be heard by those who could enact such a measure?

      • I’d just be happy with churches being required to give a full accounting of their finances.

        • Jeffg166

          I’d like to see the spread sheet of all the “good work” they do. How much do they spend on feeding the poor, clothing the naked, comforting the sick, old and lonely?

          • It’s not just Joel Osteen who believes

          • Their shelters and soup kitchens do a fair amount, as they replaced government social services via Bush Jr.’s effort to privatize via churches, his “Faith Based Initiatives”. But it’s tax dollars paying for those so theres no real sacrifice on the churches part, and they do use them to proselytize. Their purchased hospitals on the other hand – which, with only a few exceptions are profitable – are below average in charitable care. They now own 1 in 9 hospital beds in the USA, 1 in 6 critical care beds. And all fall under the Bishops rules for medical care that overtly put church dogma ahead of recognized medical best practices (it would be really nice to see a movement that pushes the AMA to react to that but so far they’ve been silent).

            Mostly they seem to be like Mother Theresa, who horded money, felt suffering was good for sick and dying peoples souls, but when she fell ill sought out the very best Western medical care money could buy.

          • Would you have a link to Mother Theresa and your claims – just interested. Never heard that she felt this way. http://stories4hotbloodedlesbians.com

          • NedFlaherty

            Churches spend nearly zero on charities that feed the poor, clothe the naked, house the homeless, and comfort the sick, old, and lonely. Churches get paid for most of those activities by federal grants. George Bush put this arrangement into overdrive, calling it “faith-based initiatives,” which moved many social services from the federal government into local religious denominations.

            That accomplished 4 right-wing religious nut-job goals:

            1. Ended the secular focus of charity work.
            2. Made most of the nation’s social work appear “religious.”
            3. Made federal agencies dependent upon church groups.
            4. Put federal dollars under clergy control.

      • marshlc

        Honestly? I think the way to make the argument is to just make it – in measured, dispassionate terms, and keep making it despite the howls.

        If the sane calm voice refuses to be shouted down, it is eventually heard.

      • William

        Any government employees feeling impressed by banning religious expression in the workplace are free to get jobs at Hobby Lobby or Chik-fil-a.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          I assume you mean “oppressed,” not “impressed” William–darn auto-correct!

        • Baby Dave

          Unfortunately, the religious long ago cottoned to the idea that they could acquire greater power and wealth by taking over governments. Its not just the GOP. Look at the air force academy in Colorado Springs. The city itself has been taken over by groups such as Focus on the Family, expressly for the purpose of recruiting Airmen. Police officers at every level of government are frequent targets for conversion. So are elementary school teachers. Civil servants of every variety are constantly bombarded with such appeals.

          Uprooting this problem will be difficult.

      • Phillip in L.A.

        Make it to a California or New York legislature. It’s very unlikely the US Congress would pass a law like this, without it first being tried on the State level, imo.

        As Justice Brandeis said in New State Ice Co. v. Liebmann (1932) 285 U.S. 262: a “state may, if its citizens choose, serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country.”

    • JT
      • BudClark

        And the VAST majority of anti GLBTQAI bigots are old, fat, ugly and STUPID. Must run in the bloodlines!

    • Nic Peterson

      Don’t sugarcoat, dear.

    • As a non-profit they aren’t taxed. However, other non profits must provide a full accounting – why are churches exempt? There are entire bodies of investment vehicles designed to take church donations offshore and return them to the pastor at a later time.

      • doninkansas

        If we are going to continue to give them tax free status for being a “charity”then they should have to be made to account for every penny, only allowing them to be non taxed on things that are truly charitable enterprises that are benefiting everything and not being used for proselytization.

        • Yeah, do me a favor and convince everyone you can to vote Democrat in November. ‘Cause this will get a lot worse if they don’t…

          • Falconlights

            No matter which candidate is nominated, I plan to vote straight ticket Democrat.

          • Sadly it’s all we can do.

    • Mark McGovern

      Exactly what’s happening; they use our tax dollars to litigate against us.

  • Judas Peckerwood

    Why the fuck do religious schools get federal funding? What ever happened to the First Fucking Amendment?

    • Well, if you decide to homeschool your child, the state will pay for it. Isn’t that a piece of shit law?

      • oikos

        Deplorable.

      • Falconlights

        Yes, it is.

      • JCF

        Not all home-schoolers are Christianist wackos. One of my closest friends took her son out of public school because it just wasn’t working for him (as a young black man in Oakland, of modest means and father-less, he was the very definition of “at-risk”). She home-schooled him for a couple of years, using the California state curricula. Now, he’s back in public school and ahead of grade-level. Home-schooling worked for them (and just to repeat: she’s not a Christianist wacko).

        • There are the rare few parents who actually work hard at teaching their children at home. But from the home schooled kids I’ve had contact with, your friend is a rare gem.

        • Chucktech

          Indeed. And that’s a great example of home schooling being a wise choice by a caring parent. That’s the exception to the god infused home schooling rule.

    • Haven’t you seen all the school choice crap that’s been pushed by the christian party in state after state. Vote Blue.

      • Judas Peckerwood

        Unfortunately, it’s not just the GOP pushing “school choice” — a.k.a., disemboweling public education. Plenty of corporatist Dems getting in on the action, too.

        • Falconlights

          Oh, for Goddess’s sake! My parents sent me to parochial school and they never expected government money for it. They paid the tuition, but they also paid their school taxes. So tired of hearing the Xian whine. If you don’t want the public schools, then make the sacrifice parents have always made who setd their kids to parochial school.

          • It’s even worse when you consider parochial schools – the RCC is the world’s wealthiest organization, with the greatest real estate holdings. They own 1 in 9 hospital beds in the USA, 1 in 6 critical care beds. And they receive countless contracts yearly to provide social services that were once a local government function thanks to Bush Jr’s “Faith Based Initiatives” to privatize via churches.

        • Strepsi

          Well, and the majority of the entire population in many places! It’s called “the Bible belt” for a reason…

          • Ginger Snap

            It’s time for that bloated Bible belt to snap.

          • barracks9

            Ya ever notice just how quickly the Bible Belt unbuckles?

          • Menergy

            👏😄

      • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

        I’ve seen this here before, Im sure. But I’m putting it up again.

    • coram nobis

      Worthwhile to ask, esp. since the gov’t can’t be seen as actively advancing or inhibiting religion, Lemon test and all that. Exemptions are one thing, but funding is quite another.

    • Jerry

      The same can be said for religious colleges…a number of these scam schools, including Dead-Jerry-Falwell U, were failing and going bankrupt, until they got it passed to be able to accept federal financial aid. Now they’re quite profitable ventures when the fed is ponying up the $35,000/semester tuition.

      • Necessitas

        College should be free but funded by graduates at a 5% share of total earnings for twice the number of years they attended. Get banks out of the education business and compel schools to teach high paying skills.

    • KCMC

      post secondary students’ FAFSA/pell grants is big $

    • SoCalGal20

      Yes! How does this in any way fit in with my freedom from religion OR the government endorsing religion? This is bullshit. The ACLU and Lambda Legal need to get on this. I don’t want my lesbian tax dollars funding one fucking cent of these schools.

  • kcken

    Fuck these schools… Umm I mean God bless their frozen little hearts…

    • barracks9

      Bless their frozen little GREEDY ASS BIGOTED hearts.

      Fixed it for ya.

      • Bluto

        You are far too gentlemanly (& handsome too).

  • barracks9

    Surely, asking for these records to be made public is the harshest form of persecution the Gaystapo has rained down upon the poor, beleaguered minority of tighty-whitey christianists. When will it end? When will it end?!?!?!

  • Duane Dimitrov

    This is a fucking scandal. Wtf?

  • TMA

    The ultimate aim of doing something like this is to allow a movement to build against these schools and then use that movement as justification to revoke federal funding and/or tax-exempt status for those schools. You don’t just release a list like this without there being a Part 2 down the line. This is an important moment, people.

    • kelven

      I’m thinking it is time for a class action suit by all of us who are sick of subsidizing this blatant use of our taxes to fund religious nonsense.

  • AtticusP

    Wonderful news. But why did they wait until the Friday night news dump to announce it?

  • Sam_Handwich

    Ron Wyden is a senator from OREGON

  • Mark

    So what is the path of recourse?? If they want to discriminate – let’em do it. But NOT on MY dime! Not one fucking red cent.

  • Stormfinder

    It’s pretty telling when you have institutions that accept federal education funds, which is in part paid for by LGBT people through their taxes, yet are allowed to discriminate against them is the basest of ways.

  • D. J.

    Another way the middle class and the poor are subsidizing the rich.
    Taxpayer money should only benefit public education.

  • Mark Neé Fuzz

    I understand and support the use of my property taxes to fund public schools. It does annoy me a bit that, without children, I pay just as much as the neighbors with 5 kids. It pisses me off royally if even a nickel of my tax dollars goes to this faith based bullshit.

    • coram nobis

      You pay property taxes; church properties don’t. Not written in the Constitution but via an arcane and relatively recent (1970) Court decision.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walz_v._Tax_Commission_of_the_City_of_New_York

      You may indeed be pissed.

      • Hank

        Time to bring the case back to SCOTUS!!!

        • coram nobis

          Indeed. Even if it isn’t possible, or advisable, to overturn Walz, there’s plenty in its subsequent case law, notably Bob Jones University v. U.S.. The tax break was supposed to be for charitable purposes and also to keep gov’t from involvement with, or impeding or advancing, religious organizations. Religious subsidies are an advancement of religion, and subsidies or tax breaks to religious organizations that flout public policy (see Bob Jones) may be impermissible.

        • billbear1961

          Certainly–the moment we have a LIBERAL majority on SCOTUS.

          One more reason we MUST win the election.

        • Our odds would be much better once another a progressive judge is appointed and approved by the Senate. If the Democrats win the Presidency, and 50 Senators caucus with the Democrats things will move — so we have to wait until January 2017. The odds are 50/50 now that the Senate will change hands to the Democrats.

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      Those five brats will be paying your Social Security and Medicare. The better they’re educated, the more money they’ll make, which means they’ll pay more Social Security and Medicare.

  • coram nobis

    Joe: noted and forwarded.

  • JT

    WTF?

  • Friday

    Ever-lovin’ Gawddess of Mercy, how can these poor Christians bear the pain of carrying all those checks to the bank?

    • Marc

      Duh. It’s a metaphor for when Jesus had to drag his own cross before he got killed on it. In this case, it’s the taxpayers getting nailed.

  • Went through some of it and the data is interesting, although paints a very depressing situation.

    On another note I was just thinking that religious/christian hospitals where health care is dictated by catholic bishops (ie no so thing as abortions or LGBT people etc) used to have tax exempt status too. I understand the Affordable Health Care Act was going to address this but don’t know how things were left. Are christian hospitals still tax exempt? I understand those in charge of these hospital chains make millions probably more so than the CEO’s of Aetna, UnitedHealth etc. i could be wrong though.

    • Friday

      A lot of it’s ‘faith based initiatives,’ courtesy of guess who. Try being the Pagans going, ‘These hill towns coulr really use a food bank’ and having the applications sat on while the Bush appointee says, ‘Obviously they can’t do that cause only Christians are charitable.’ (Thanks for nothing, Christians, who do you think lives there? Hungry fricking Christians, that’s who. Gods.)

    • Hank

      The majority of Catholic Hospitals, that I have worked with, were Money Makers!!! Especially, those run by Nuns!! While other hospitals struggle financially, their hospitals do not!

    • NancyP

      Catholic hospitals still do have tax exempt status. To be fair, some Catholic hospitals do provide charity care – but not all. Also, some urban Catholic hospitals have provided HIV/AIDS care (famously, St. Vincent’s in Manhattan NYC, ground zero of the early AIDS epidemic). The problem lies in the fact that patients often do not have a choice as to what sort of hospital they are taken to, and women trauma victims with obstetrical emergencies are treated “fetus before mother”. Women with tubal pregnancies are not given standard of care methotrexate non-surgical treatment that allows the women to preserve that fallopian tube, but instead have the old-fashioned surgical removal of the affected tube. I think it is because with the surgery they are treating a sick tube close to rupture, with massive bleeding if that happens, and the embryo just comes along for the ride, but with methotrexate, the intention is to kill the embryo before its placenta eats away and ruptures the tube. Women who have been raped are not given “morning after” pills. So there are all sorts of emergent situations where the woman can’t choose to go elsewhere and where her care is therefore sub-standard. Furthermore, staff and physicians are at risk of being fired for telling the patient that better care (involving non-elective abortion) is available elsewhere.

      • Wow NancyP, thanks for the awesome response. Lot of information in there. I used to work with (not for) a company that provided health content to providers and they had a sub-set for faith based hospitals and anything about abortion, LGBT etc was missing. A lot of the other information was different depending on how the religious organisations had trimmed it down for their purposes. As a health care worker I wanted to provide as much information to the patient as possible, as long as it was valid, but this is not the case in a faith based environment.

    • Chucktech

      “Catholic” and “Hospital” should be mutually exclusive terms.

      “Catholic Hospital” should be an oxymoron.

  • billbear1961

    But they are so, so PERSECUTED!!

    They shouldn’t be getting a goddamned CENT of government money!!

    They take taxpayer money–public funds–and then discriminate against a portion of the public–or their children–who are paying their salaries.

    Either they STOP discriminating, or they lose ALL government funding.

    While we’re talking about this, let me add: TAX all religious organisations!!

    • You beat me to it.

      • billbear1961

        You can repeat what I’ve said!

        And I hope you will!

    • david fairfield

      xo!

  • Mr. President, nominate a Liberal then set fire to the senate with threats to reveal information you have on them if they don’t confirm. It’s time we set some records straight. If buying a senator is legal, then so is blackmailing one.

    • billbear1961

      Do let’s call it persuasion.

  • gpmIII

    Just an FYI. Ron Wyden (D-OR) is the senior senator from the state of Oregon. He does not represent the state of Kansas.

    • jmax

      I’m from Kansas and didn’t recognize the name. Thanks for the clarification.

    • Chucktech

      Kansas should wish…

  • teeveedub

    Correction: Senator Ron Wyden D-(OR)

  • JohnMyroro

    Baylor University, my alma mater, is on the list. They don’t seem to mind rapists on the football team so much, though.

    • Octavio

      Women who report being raped at BYU are expelled. 🙂

      • Phillip in L.A.

        That would be hilarious, Octavio, if it weren’t true

        • Octavio

          Well, according to the honor code defenders those who get raped obviously put themselves in that danger for having dressed salaciously or behaved like temptress sluts, ya know /s

  • sandollar_man

    Discrimination is the main focus of religion. Everything they do, revolves around discriminating.
    They segregate into good and evil categories.
    But then – why are there so many religious sects, with each pretending to “know” how to worship their god, so much better than those OTHER sects?
    Better to see it for what it really is, and decide to, not have anything to do with, that “segregationist” mindset.
    They can spend their money on influencing government to discriminate. We can spend our money on the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF).

    • m_lp_ql_m

      But then – why are there so many religious sects, with each pretending to “know” how to worship their god, so much better than those OTHER sects?

      You answered your own question. Religion only exists TO discriminate. That’s the only way it can thrive. If religion truly accepted everyone as they love to so claim, then there’d be only one religion, which then wouldn’t be a religion.

      • Helen Damnation ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Unitarianism?

        • Chucktech

          Unitarianism?? THAT’S not a religion! Hell, they have practically no jesus at all, they don’t discriminate, they are welcoming and non judgemental! Unitarianism a religion, pffft…

          • Helen Damnation ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Well, they do have at least one church, in Memphis. I “been” to it, to celebrate the life of a dear friend who passed from the horrible AIDS disease. (I suspect they have hundreds more churches?)

          • Chucktech

            No, of course they do, I was just being snarky! 😉 Actually, my snarky point was that, as religions go, they’re the least dogmatic, most welcoming to atheists of any “religion” I could imagine.

  • Phil2u

    How and why do “religious” schools receive federal funds?

    • KCMC

      Post secondary student fee stream via pell grants, FAFSA, for one.

  • CPT_Doom

    I haven’t perused the list, but I have a question. How many schools get waivers allowing them to reject Jews or Mormons? Are LGBT people the only ones they’re allowed to condemn, and are LGBT people allowed to refuse these schools services, even if those LGBT people are public servants?

    • BobSF_94117

      I think there’s a special system regarding exemption from bans on sex and orientation discrimination. That’s what this data dump is about. Of course religious schools can discriminate on the basis of religion. It’s just not by this process.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Yes, it seems to be just us they’re concerned with (for the exemption). The one that I looked into, Cairn University, has the following statement on their website:

      Cairn University does not discriminate against any person because of race, gender, color, age, national or ethnic origin, veteran status, or known physical disability in the administration of its employment policies or practices.

      So, just gays (and other religions) not allowed.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    If you want to discriminate you don’t get fucking money.

  • kaydenpat

    One of President Clinton’s first priorities should be to pass federal protections for the LGBT community so that you don’t have our tax payer $$$ going to schools which practice bigotry. Enough of this nonsense.

  • Ernest Endevor

    Here in NY State, to no one’s surprise, the overwhelming number of religious institutions are Jewish.

    • oikos

      Lots of RCC as well.

      • Ernest Endevor

        Check out the list. There’s a few Wesleyans. And so we’re clear, I’m married to a Jew. But the overwhelming majority are extreme orthodox Jews.

        • Tigernan Quinn

          I wonder if current science can measure how much I don’t care.

    • Tigernan Quinn

      You little bigot. 😉

      • Ernest Endevor

        No I’m not. The overwhelming number are the extreme right/orthodox/hasidic townships like Kiryat Joel and Monsey. They are a blight on the state, pay no taxes, and have nothing to do with Judaism.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York

  • Silver Badger

    Not one cent should EVER ever go to religious schools. If poor women can be denied abortions because the religious people throw a fit, we should be able to keep our money safe religion.

  • oikos

    Warning: This is a long article:

    Here Are The Corporations And Right-Wing Funders Backing ‘The Education Reform Movement.’

    http://www.mediamatters.org/research/2016/04/27/here-are-corporations-and-right-wing-funders-backing-education-reform-movement/210054

  • Hata H. Zappa

    Once these people start to hear from myriad after myriad of people about how disgusting their practices of hate is, they’ll be really hating life. But it’s about time we started exposing these them for their bigotry.

  • Ginger Snap

    All I have to add here is religion is such a disgusting blight on humanity. It’s only about money and that’s it. Fuck all religion.

  • TampaZeke

    When you’re spending tax dollars, public funds, those of us who aren’t students of these schools, or the parents of students at these schools, aren’t getting to decide where our “investment” is going.

    • KCMC

      Fed pell grants/FAFSA students’ choice.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    1) I’ve never even heard of most of these places. The only names I recognized are Baylor University and Brigham Young University.

    2) There are waaaaay more Jewish/Hebrew schools in that list than I expected to see.

    3) I would sort of expect anything with the name “(fill-in-the-blank) Bible College” or “(fill-in-the-blank) Seminary” to apply for these exemptions, but why would an institution like that be getting Title IX funds anyways? Unless I don’t understand how this funding works. It would seem to me that those are by definition not public education institutions.

    • KCMC

      like Friends University of Central Kansas?
      (FUCK) grin

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        LOL

        • KCMC

          those poor kids can’t have school hoodies or nothing

          • That_Looks_Delicious

            Oh, I bet they could make a mint selling their school apparel online.

      • Helen Damnation ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Dude: “wasn’t it Friends University of Central Kansas?”
        Other dude: “fuck nah, dude, they changed it because it said FUCK!”
        This is a real place. I wanted a shirt with f.u.c.k. on it. Pfft.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      Re 3): good question though. I was under the impression that Title IX was for publicly funded schools only. Assumption corrected.

    • Helen Damnation ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      In Louisiana, it shows:
      1. Louisiana College (La. Baptist Convention) Pineville, La
      2. Loyola University (Roman Catholic Church) New Orleans, LA
      3. Notre Dame Seminary (Roman Catholic Church) New Orleans, LA
      4. St. Marys Dominican College (Roman Catholic Church) (PERMANENTLY CLOSED)
      This CAN’T be correct, with all of the evangelicals in this fucking state! They are in the top half of the state, mostly. The bottom half is Catholic.

  • Cuberly

    Fasten you’re seatbelts, collective melt-downs and fund raising opportunities from, AFA, FRC, NOM, Fuckleberry, Cruzt, etc….are in the forecast.

    “Kristchains iz be-in descrimnatched agin!”

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/27/d7/e1/27d7e1712e56d6e645c371511c12a07f.jpg

  • Baby Dave

    JOE:
    Ron Wyden is NOT D-KS. He is D-OR.

    He represents Oregon, not Kansas.

    • Tor

      I found it rather difficult to believe KS had a D-senator.

      • Baby Dave

        Not just any D-Senator. Ron Wyden is a hero of the Democratic Left.

  • JT
  • BobSF_94117

    Let them have their (ever less attractive) schools.

  • NancyP

    Some of the institutions with waivers are theological seminaries (professional training for the ministry). I don’t care if they discriminate, although strictly professional ministry degrees should not get federal support (as opposed to academic degrees in comparative religion, history, archaeology, etc, and as opposed to the general theology courses required by Catholic colleges and taken by everyone from art majors to aerospace engineering majors). Some of the schools listed are actually candidates for changing policy. Conservative Judaism congregations and seminaries are actively re-examining their views of LGBT people – I suspect they will become quite LGBT-friendly in official pronouncements.

    • customartist

      Schools and institutions that Do Not receive federal funding are not a part of this issue.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      They’ll be especially friendly if they stand to risk losing their Title IX funding.

  • Mark

    If they have the ‘right’ to opt out based on their beliefs – then that same ‘right’ to opt out of paying should also be available to those who find their discrimination not within their beliefs.

    And, if their opt out is granted – then their funding should be reduced by appropriate amounts.

  • This is something that should be stopped by the Supreme Court. Religious entities should not be able to discriminate against ANY citizen AND receive Federal monies.

    • customartist

      Someone must initiate a lawsuit.
      I am glad that this is coming out finally.
      Taxpayers are paying for their own discrimination.

    • BudClark

      Not one FARTHING of my widower’s mite shall go to the Scarlet Whore of Babylon or any of her foul daughters!

  • customartist

    Why is the current Administration not addressing this issue?

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    Okay, I decided to look up one of these schools that I picked at random. It is now called “Cairn University” after renaming itself from Philadelphia College of Bible, which is what it was called when it requested an exemption.

    Here is what they teach. The majors they offer are (this whole list I am quoting literally off their website):
    Bible Ministries
    Biblical Studies
    Camping Ministries
    Intercultural Studies
    Christian Studies
    Youth and Family Ministry
    Urban Ministry
    Worship & Music
    Israel & Archeology
    etc.,
    etc.

    (To be fair, they do also offer degrees in Music, Education and Business, but even these courses have titles like ‘MUS 521 – Music in the Church’, ‘MUS 522 – Worship: Past and Present’ and ‘MUS 523 – Church Music Composition and Arranging’).

    The only institutions for which they offer dual enrollment are Evangelical Christian schools. So if kids attending a public high school wanted to go to Cairn and get a jump on college and earn some college credits while still in high school, they would not be able to do so, but their classmates who attend private Christian academies would be able to.

    Trying not to be anti-religious here, but I just can’t see how anybody could look at the information about this school and determine that it is something that should be publicly funded, or that it wouldn’t be advocating one particular religion.

    • customartist

      It is not being anti-religious to expect religious organizations to follow the law.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        I guess my point is I’m surprised how blatantly denominational the whole thing is. For an institution that is trying to get public funding.

    • KnownDonorDad

      “Israel and Archaeology” – does that include pre-Flood? Does it go to the start of the universe 6,000 years ago?

      • Chucktech

        “Israel and Archaeology” sounds like such a dismal subject for them. Christian and Jewish archaeologists searched so desperately for remains of a Jewish civilization wandering the desert for 40 years after Moses led them out of Egypt, proving the account in Exodus. Of course, they have found not the first scintilla of remains.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Although, Carthage was also eliminated, Chucktech!

  • Necessitas

    What a tangled mess we make, when first we practice to discriminate.

  • KnownDonorDad

    They’re so used to being tax-exempt at church, they assume it applies to all of their institutions.

  • Blake J Butler

    Preach politics from the pulpit, endorse candidates for public office, tell your congregation how to vote for on ballot measures, or show political ads in the church, than you should lose your tax exemption status.

    And they still don’t wonder why thousands of churches close every year, because people want to be able to form opinions of their own without the church’s input, listen to age old dusty scriptures used to justify who they hate and why they should get away with doing so, and use those scriptures to scare people into submission so they won’t think differently, all for the sake of full pews and full collection plates every Sunday.

  • Paula

    We have already had a talk with our daughters regarding colleges. They are not to attend any x-tian or catlick universities. They pay for those on their own. Several of their cousins have attended catholic universities. I don’t think that will happen, they don’t have a very high opinion of religion.

    • Tor

      Thanks to you, I’m sure. Blessings of some sort be upon you.

    • BobSF_94117

      Some Catholic universities are among the most liberal in the country. They recognize SSM, have non-discrimination policies, and have very diverse student bodies. They don’t answer to the bishops.

      • NancyP

        This is true, but the recognition of SSM is due to the fact that they need to be competitive in the marketplace and that being an outlier just doesn’t help recruit good staff. A significant number of the local Jesuits are quite gay-friendly in a don’t ask, don’t tell (regarding themselves) way.

        • BobSF_94117

          There are still plenty of liberal Catholics, many of them Jesuit as you mention. They’re not motivated solely by market forces.

  • Phil in FLL

    Fundamentalist Christians don’t want an even playing field. They want taxpayer funds to support their propaganda. That has to end because, after all, it’s everyone’s tax money, not just theirs. Christianists have their First Amendment rights to preach whatever hate they want in their churches and schools, but they need to do it on their own dime, not the taxpayer’s dime. The American nation’s message to fundamentalist Christians should be: “You’re on your own now. The government isn’t going to support your propaganda efforts.”

    • Tor

      And then, they bring in their second amendment rights…..

  • rabbit_ears

    Montana newspaper exposes hilarious ‘facts’ on display at creationist museum

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/montana-newspaper-exposes-hilarious-facts-on-display-at-creationist-museum/

    • BudClark

      Oh yeah … somebody needs to shut down that pig poop abattoire tout suite!

  • Adam

    Ron Wyden is the senator from Oregon, not Kansas. What the hell?

  • Schlukitz

    This is a public disgrace. It’s an outrage!

  • ColdDesert

    If this list exists then what good is Title IX exactly? Why are we creating safe havens from core American values? I guess we do it for executives in finance with the tax code, why not do it with civil rights law for the greatest abusers of that section of US code as well.

  • SoCalGal20

    This is fucking bullshit.

    1. Why are there exemptions to Title IX? Either you discriminate and don’t get federal money or you don’t discriminate and do get federal money. It really should be that simple.

    2. Why the fuck are my lesbian tax dollars going to fund discrimination at religious schools? How does that fit in with my Constitutional right to freedom from religion?

    3. The ACLU and Lambda Legal better be ALL OVER this. (I’d volunteer to be a plaintiff).

    • Tor

      Maybe FADA can fix that. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • BobSF_94117

      Why are Christian tax dollars going to support gay people?

      • Gianni

        That statement’s silliness level is off the scale. I haven’t ever noticed that I get any kind of support for any religion’s dollars.

      • Blake Jordan

        Elaborate, please?

        I know of no unique group, etcetera for LGBT+s that federal tax is used for… and that actively discriminates against cishet people…

        Meanwhile, millions / billions of federal tax is going to institutions that discriminate against LGBT+s!!!!
        Children no less!!!

  • Tina CRACKA Vane

    a lbgt theist is a fucking oxymoron …But i guess thats what happens when one can’t shake off their forced indoctrination

  • fuzzybits

    Shouldn’t we be getting some kind of kickback since they don’t want us darkening their doors. Bullshit!

    • Blake Jordan

      They should estimate what percent of Federal tax goes to religious establishments, and reduce LGBT+s by that much…

      • canoebum

        We’ll get that about the same time African-Americans whose ancestors were held in bondage get reparations. Not going to happen.

  • leastyebejudged

    Religious schools and the people with degrees from them do harm to us at every turn.

    These scum work in every level of city and state government, they are a scourge.

  • Religion is a learned opinion. A personal, irrational learned opinion. Nothing more!

    Tell me again why people who hold a certain opinion are deemed above the laws that everyone else in America must follow? Especially anti-discrimination laws that were created in no small part specifically because of those very same people!

    • customartist

      Holding an opinion is fine.
      Getting tax dollars to fund said opinions is not.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      “The mode of thought that Cardinal Newman represented–if that can be called a mode of thought which seeks to solve intellectual problems by a denial of the supremacy of the intellect–may not, cannot, I think, survive.”

      –Oscar Wilde, “The Critic as Artist–Part I,” reprinted in Oscar Wilde: A Critical Edition of the Major Works (Oxford 1989), at p. 242

  • drbrentzenobia

    Senator Wyden is from OREGON, not Kansas.

    • Silver Badger

      Senator Wyden certainly sounds like he’s from Kansas.

  • doug van boven

    Obama did say he is a centrist. Our willingness to subsidize religion is a disgrace.

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  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Religion is just an excuse to behave poorly without consequences or even get praise.

  • Blake Jordan

    Something about bits should be taken to the courts!!!

    LGBT+s (and women it seems) should be paying the taxes of establishments that are allowed to discriminate against them.

    • MBear

      not only paying taxes to institutuons deemed worthy by the federal government to discriminate, but also to TEACH that discrimination to future generations.

      your tax dollars are invested in your future oppression.

      murrikkka

      • customartist

        A very good point

        • MBear

          …if I lived in the states. 🙂

  • Steven B

    Why isn’t ACLU all over this?

  • β∈∀√ℰℝ ±αλƎ§

    My opinion as a scientist: I would never attend a religious school myself. I feel they are likely inferior for teaching science. The idea of God creates a “glass ceiling” on knowledge. God stifles curiosity and is the antithesis of the scientific method.

    Every question becomes a rhetorical one instead of an evidentiary one. History shows this: the Mu’ tazila of Islam and the Deists of Christianity produced the greatest scientists within each religion…both were cults of apostasy. The Jews have never produced scientists from devout cults like the Hasidim. They always arose from more liberal schools

    Science cannot blossom anywhere religion thrives. They are non-overlapping magisteria.

    • Tor

      It’s a well known fact that knowledge was imputed by a talking snake.

      • lymis

        Just the knowledge of Good and Evil. Something that’s been tangling up Christian minds since they decided that was the most important kind of knowledge and that everything had to be seen through that lens in the first place.

    • lymis

      There was a time (sadly, pretty much no longer true) when the Jesuits were among the brighter lights of science and philosophy, with a clear collective understanding that religion was about informing and enlightening directly observable material and scientific truths, rather than suppressing and battling against them.

      And one of the sadder Christianist revisions of the history of Western Civilization is the complete suppression of the fact that when Rome fell, almost all scientific progress (and the preservation of previous scientific knowledge) was nearly entirely in the Arabic (and therefore, mostly Muslim) world for centuries. (And, of course, that much of the most important scientific groundwork wasn’t done by Christians in the first place.)

  • Tor

    I’m tired of religious BS. I’m going to look for some porn.

  • Piet

    Okay, since I’m old and angry, I wrote both my Senators and my Representative and asked them very nicely (for me) to DO SOMETHING about this outrage. And as I tell my younger friends every time an election comes around, it’s time to vote for people who will represent my interests in Congress, as well as all the other down-ticket positions. Vote, people. Vote in every election. If you must, vote for the least-worst. But for crying out loud, vote — unless you want the next Supreme Court to turn even farther to the Right and anti-GLBT discrimination to become standard again.

  • Ninja0980

    Time to file some lawsuits.
    These asshole shouldn’t be allowed to get public money and get a license to discriminate at the same time.

  • FancyThat

    publicly funded “educational” institutions with an approved license for tax-exempt discrimination

    —- just to name a few…..
    Index updated as of April 26, 2016

    american-indian-college
    anderson-university
    arlington-baptist
    asbury-university
    belmont-abbey-college
    bethel-college
    biola-university
    blue-mountain-college
    bryan-college
    carson-newman-college
    charleston-southern-university
    clear-creek-baptist-bible-college
    colorado-christian-university
    covenant-college
    criswell-college
    dordt-college
    east-texas-baptist-university
    franciscan-university-of-steubenville
    freed-hardeman-university
    fresno-pacific-university
    geneva-college
    george-fox-university
    hannibal-lagrange-university
    hardin-simmons-unversity
    howard-payne-university
    indiana-wesleyan-university
    john-paul-the-great-catholic-university
    judson-college
    labi-college
    lancaster-bible-college
    liberty-university
    louisiana-college
    manhattan-christian
    maranatha-baptist
    midwestern-baptist-theological-seminary
    mississippi-college
    missouri-baptist-university
    multnomah-university
    north-greenville-university
    northpoint-bible-college
    northwest-nazarene-university
    ohio-christian-university
    oklahoma-baptist-university
    oklahoma-christian-university
    oklahoma-wesleyan-university
    ozark-christian-college-request
    pepperdine-university
    rhema-bible-training-college
    shorter-university
    simpson-university
    southeastern-baptist-theological-seminary
    southeastern-university
    southern-nazarene-university
    southern-weselyan-university
    southwest-baptist-university
    southwestern-assemblies-of-god-university
    spring-arbor-university
    st-gregorys-university
    tabor-college
    the-baptist-college-of-florida
    the-masters-college-for-christ-and-scripture
    toccoa-falls-college
    trinity-baptist-college
    trinity-bible-college
    union-university
    university-of-dallas
    university-of-mary-hardin-baylor
    university-of-mobile
    university-of-northwestern-st-paul
    university-of-the-cumberlands
    virginia-baptist-college
    wayland-baptist-university
    william-carey-university
    william-jessup-university
    williams-baptist-college

    Class Action — Which law firm will champion this one? SPLC? Sign me up, please.

  • Blake Jordan

    All North Carolina schools have to do is meet the minimum requirement to qualify as “religious”, then no Title IX to threaten them with!

    Come on Pres. Obama, how about actually doing something in your final year!!!!!!!

    • canoebum

      “how about actually doing something” Really? Wow.

    • customartist

      Have you contacted the whitehouse?

  • BudClark

    FIX. THIS. NOW. before Thomas Jefferson comes back as a zombie!

  • TimJ

    This is great, its about time there was transparency in this. Just heard a 15 minute defense – liberally peppered with half-truths and lies – of the exemption for Oklahoma Wesleyan by its sanctimonious president Everett Piper. He is at once very defensive/defiant and angry his school’s exemption is in the public, full freak out mode. Easy solution: don’t take federal money.

    • djcoastermark

      Agreed ! If he and his ilk are so above board, what is he freaking out about ?

  • WIGuy

    It does piss me off that my gay tax dollars are being allocated to these schools who discriminate. If they refuse to accept LGBT students then they have no right to accept LGBT monies.

  • lymis

    The Catholic high school I attended, in central Florida in the 70’s, was largely focused on providing science and advanced curricula that simply were not available in our local public schools. My graduating class of 100 had one National Merit scholarship winner (me), 8 finalists, and about a dozen semi-finalists, while the local public high school class of over 1000 had two semi-finalists and no scholarship finalists or winners. 95% of my classmates went on to college, with a high percentage in science or engineering majors.

    When Florida instituted a mandatory literacy test to be administered to public school students at three different points in their education, including prior to graduation, our principal formally petitioned that we be allowed access to the tests, but the state refused to allow it, because they didn’t want their curve to be blown.

    We had a significant number of non-Catholics in our school, and they were able to opt out of specifically religious classes and attendance at things like Mass, with the option of going to study hall instead. While Catholicism was treated as the norm, all things being equal, there was no institutional pressure on them to convert or conform.

    I’m not for an instant pretending that that’s the norm for religious private schools, especially today, and especially not among the generic “Christian” schools that have popped up everywhere, but it’s entirely possible to have a religiously affiliate school that isn’t full of morons. But only if that’s the actual intention.

    And, no tax dollars were involved.

    • customartist

      When the LGBT person cannot even get in, which I would predict is the widespread norm, then the Federal Funding must be curtailed immediately.

      The overpayments must also be paid back.

  • customartist

    What is somewhat gratifying is the fact that the North Carolina Republican Legislature started this snowball by enacting NC2. I sure hope that we can now get enough force behind us to stop discrimination in N. Carolina, and in all of these other institutins.

    Keep up the pressure. Write the Whitehouse and your congressmen.

  • fuow

    I was so angry about this yesterday, I didn’t write what I wanted to.
    Today – even more furious. This is unconscionable. How the FUCKING HELL am I supposed to ‘defend’ this administration and Democratic policies against the ‘all the same’ charge when they treat gay and transgender youth like this?
    I wish a slow, lingering death of cancerand allergy to effective pain killers on every single one of these school administrators. As for the mother-fucking asswipes in the administration who approve these ‘exceptions’, there are no words. How the FUCK dare we Democrats claim we’re better for the queer community when WE do this?
    Oh, and HRC and Obamabots, don’t bother. you’re the PROBLEM, not the answer.

    • coram nobis

      You can be angrier: see the story I posted further up about Title IX and Brigham Young University. There’s one bit of good news in this and it’s that the LGBT community can find common cause with others who have a personal stake in this. And it’s something to rattle the present and presumptive future Dem administrations with, since they’re fostering this with Title IX money.

    • Câl

      As someone living for the last 5 years with cancer (bowel and then moved on to the pancreas where it is currently stable but inoperable) and who is allergic to several pain meds I have tried (I get nauseous at the very memory of the 2 days of Exorcist-style projectile vomiting tramadol caused), I normally don’t like people wishing this on anyone else, but for once agree!

      • fuow

        I regret your illness. Truly do. Hope things get better.

  • customartist

    Now just where is the HRC so that they can ask Hillary Clinton if she will curtail the illegal federal funding of these discriminatory institutins?

    I can’t wait to hear from them both.

  • FancyThat

    publicly funded educational institutions with approved licenses for tax-exempt discrimination:

    —- just to name a few…..
    Index updated as of April 26, 2016

    american-indian-college
    anderson-university
    arlington-baptist
    asbury-university
    belmont-abbey-college
    bethel-college
    biola-university
    blue-mountain-college
    bryan-college
    carson-newman-college
    charleston-southern-university
    clear-creek-baptist-bible-college
    colorado-christian-university
    covenant-college
    criswell-college
    dordt-college
    east-texas-baptist-university
    franciscan-university-of-steubenville
    freed-hardeman-university
    fresno-pacific-university
    geneva-college
    george-fox-university
    hannibal-lagrange-university
    hardin-simmons-unversity
    howard-payne-university
    indiana-wesleyan-university
    john-paul-the-great-catholic-university
    judson-college
    labi-college
    lancaster-bible-college
    liberty-university
    louisiana-college
    manhattan-christian
    maranatha-baptist
    midwestern-baptist-theological-seminary
    mississippi-college
    missouri-baptist-university
    multnomah-university
    north-greenville-university
    northpoint-bible-college
    northwest-nazarene-university
    ohio-christian-university
    oklahoma-baptist-university
    oklahoma-christian-university
    oklahoma-wesleyan-university
    ozark-christian-college-request
    pepperdine-university
    rhema-bible-training-college
    shorter-university
    simpson-university
    southeastern-baptist-theological-seminary
    southeastern-university
    southern-nazarene-university
    southern-weselyan-university
    southwest-baptist-university
    southwestern-assemblies-of-god-university
    spring-arbor-university
    st-gregorys-university
    tabor-college
    the-baptist-college-of-florida
    the-masters-college-for-christ-and-scripture
    toccoa-falls-college
    trinity-baptist-college
    trinity-bible-college
    union-university
    university-of-dallas
    university-of-mary-hardin-baylor
    university-of-mobile
    university-of-northwestern-st-paul
    university-of-the-cumberlands
    virginia-baptist-college
    wayland-baptist-university
    william-carey-university
    william-jessup-university
    williams-baptist-college

    Which law firm will head up the class action lawsuit? SPLC? Where do we sign up?

  • coram nobis

    Brigham Young University is on the list. And, lo and behold, top of the Guardian website is this: “‘You’re a sinner’: how a Mormon university shames rape victims”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/30/mormon-rape-victims-shame-brigham-young-university

    Among other things, these:

    … But a month or so later, there she was with her attorney in Brigham Young University’s Title IX office – a place where rape victims are supposed to get help – and offered an ultimatum by a university official.

    Barney was told the school “had received a police report in which ‘A) it looks like you’ve been raped and B) it also looks like you may have violated the honor code’”, she recounted, and that “I was going to be forwarded to the honor code office unless I let them investigate me. I said absolutely not.”

    The university has told Barney that she cannot register for future classes. She is no longer welcome at the institution …

    … being thrown out is a black mark that can follow the devout for life, estrange them from their families, derail their education and ultimately their careers …

    So. Title IX funding, and discrimination not just in the school but in a place where it’s essentially the state religion.

  • JIM W

    I want a refund on the taxes that I paid and were given to these schools.

  • dcurlee

    Why are religious schools receiving govt funding anyhow?