MSNBC Posts Report On Harlem Hate Church’s Coming Bankruptcy Hearing & Ali Forney Center [VIDEO]

MSNBC today published the below video report on Harlem’s bankrupt hate church, which will back on court on April 21st when a new auction date might be set. Interviewed for the piece was Ali Forney Center founder Carl Siciliano, who tells us that he’ll be at the hearing with his attorneys.

Ali Forney Center has raised $330,000 towards a down payment on the property, with a large portion of that amount coming from the JMG community.

Last week hate Pastor James David Manning appeared resigned to losing his church in a video posted to his YouTube channel, but he was once again defiant when speaking to MSNBC.

  • He can go witness on a corner using a megaphone and wearing a sandwich board, just like all the other batshit crazy street preachers out there…

    • Mark Neé Fuzz

      He does remind me of someone I recently saw standing on a street corner waving a Bible and shouting at rush hour traffic. Except the guy I saw was a little less crazy.

    • Snarkaholic

      Front of sandwich board: Will (t)werk for lattes.
      Back of sandwich board: Bride(zilla) of Christ.

  • Mike in Texas

    Is there a law in NY that would prevent the utilities from being cut off for nonpayment?

    • Necessitas

      Only if you’re in an iron-lung.

      • Mike in Texas

        I can’t imagine why they let this go on for years and years.

        • Necessitas

          Meth is expensive.

        • Johnny Wyeknot

          Jesus

        • clay

          lawsuits cost more.

    • NedFlaherty

      Water is provided via a New York city agency, whereas electricity is sold via a commercial company.

  • David Walker

    “…with a large portion of that amount coming from the JMG community.”

    That makes me so proud. Thank you all.

    • TuuxKabin

      I stressed that, giving JMG credit, in the emailing attachment of the video. Results are starting to come in.

      • Marilyn Boggs

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  • fastlanestranger

    This man is just delightful.

  • Sam_Handwich

    i understand the symbolism of turning this property into a shelter for lgbt youth, but i still question the wisdom from a safety standpoint. this guy and his groupies are insane and full of rage.

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      Bring it on !

      • Sam_Handwich

        remember when George W Bush said that? oops

        • HAAAAAAA

          We are not George W Bush.

    • TampaDink

      I get the sense that his groupies are very few in number.

    • Hardley

      The fact that he comes out with such hyperbolic drivel reassures me that he is mostly mouth. He seems like a classic bully and conman – they usually just slink away when defeated.

      • Necessitas

        Exactly. People who can actually kick ass don’t have any need to make threats.

      • TuuxKabin

        Which makes me wonder how many people support him and would pose a threat to the building if the Ali Forney Center gets the building.

        • NedFlaherty

          Manning is estimated to have only about 25 low-income worshippers left.

          • Snarkaholic

            Does anyone here live near there? They could hang out across the street on a Sunday morning and count how many (few(!) members walk into the church.

        • Snarkaholic

          He did threaten to burn the place down…if he does attempt this, it will probably be before he loses the place.

      • RJ Bone

        And then taunt you when they think they’re at a safe distance 😛

        • TuuxKabin

          Like an angry dog, retreats, pauses, turns and barks a few barks, scratches hind paws on the ground then continue on their needless way. Rankles all puffed up.

          • RJ Bone

            I just had a picture in my head of him dragging his rear along the ground like a dog with worms… I needed that laugh

          • clay

            it’s the butt demons.

            or was that Arizonan/Ugandan Pastor SSempa?

          • Snarkaholic

            It’s his homorrhoids.

          • TuuxKabin

            And your description made me laugh too. Perfect imagery.

      • Snarkaholic

        He’s probably planning to pay a couple of neighborhood thugs fifty bucks each to attack the place…but they’ll just take payment (in advance) and immediately run to the nearest strip joint.

    • Necessitas

      Carl looks like the kind of dude who can take care of himself, and others.

      • teeveedub

        A gay secular Father Flanagan.

        • Necessitas

          I’m pretty sure he’s a gunslinger in the true sense of the word.

          And, it’s not a gun, or even using one well, that makes a man a gunslinger, rather it is protecting the rose.

          • samcollins

            I’m now halfway through the seventh book. Can’t wait to see what happens with the Tower.
            (PS…NOT impressed with the upcoming film casting choices).

          • Necessitas

            Don’t forget about “The Wind Through The Keyhole”, it’s book #4.5! But, you can read it after you finish book 7, I say thankya.

            And, “Everything’s Eventual” also holds another Dark Tower story, “The Little Sisters of Eluria”, it’s great!

            I’m re-reading the whole shebang right now, just got to book 6, and it really deserves at least two reads, because I can’t tell you how much more I enjoyed it the second time, I keep finding details and coincidences I somehow missed the first time around.

          • Todd20036

            Read the whole story. I have a better ending rolling around in my head. I can type it out if people want to hear it.

          • samcollins

            Actually, “Little Sisters” is the story that got me started on Dark Tower in the first place, so it was.
            Don’t think I knew about “Wind through the Keyhole”. *I* say thankya.

    • Tor

      I was thinking safety from a life-safety (building code) point of view. I hope some good architect will design a beautiful and safe interior.

      • peacfulseas inWA

        Retro fitting an older building can be quite costly. I wonder if they could rent the building to an open and affirming denomination(s) and use that income if this property doesn’t suit their needs. I hear there’s big money in religion.

        • TuuxKabin

          I’ve heard that too. The B52’s mention it in ‘cake’.

        • Tor

          Sounds like a good idea.
          Retrofitting can be very costly, indeed. I don’t know the seismic zone of NY, but here in CA, seismic retrofits are $-killers. Then there is the issue of conforming stairways, fire-rated exitways, accessible bathrooms, and the list goes on and on.
          Change of use from “Assembly” to “Group Residential” is a big deal. I would have to assume the NY Planning Department is on board. Here in SF it would be a huge deal with hearings at the Planning Commission level, most likely.

    • Friday

      It actually looks like quite a defensible building, for that part, though.

    • NedFlaherty

      No threat is posed by the 69-year old “pastor” James D. Manning, Coordinator / Counselor / Teacher Elizabeth Sarah Manning (his wife), and their dwindling handful of followers. Here’s why.

      • In 2006, ATLAH church had only 600 members; by 2011, it had only 100.

      • ATLAH is a mongrel denomination (not affiliated with any other house of worship or organized faith tradition).

      • The “ATLAH Theological Seminary” is unaccredited.

      • The “pastor” claims to have a Ph.D. degree, but he issued it to himself, via his unaccredited seminary.

      • Manning is pathologically terrified by — and clinically obsessed with — multiple phobias about homosexuality.

      • Six Pins Delores

        Hopeful an activist judge will soon determine that the atlah church is not part of any “true” religion and rid the taxpayer of this burden including back pay out

      • customartist

        “Mongrel Denomination” – I like that

  • Cuberly

    It’d be cool if they get the church, but I for one just want them to get a place that meets their needs, hate church or not.

    • Todd Allis

      Yes. Making it the hate church is just the foam on the latte.

      • Cuberly

        Ha! Yep, the semen in your cup….

        • OdieDenCO

          the scat in the preacher’s hat.

    • Kissmagrits

      One precaution, though – – considering its former occupants.

      Get the place thoroughly exorcised by the best voodoo priestess you can find – – the real deal with casting of chicken guts, incantations and lotsa smoke.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Housing homeless LGBT youth and helping them grow into strong healthy adults will exorcise that manse real good.

        • Cuberly

          HA! You beat me to it! Consarnit! 🙂

          Great minds and all….

          • TuuxKabin

            The two youse got two of the best!

      • Cuberly

        I think the minute an AFC homeless lgbtq teen walks through the doors. All that vile hate shit juju will flee. Here’s hoping it gets met by a city bus. SPLAT!

      • Derrick Johns

        @ “Get the place thoroughly exorcised by the best voodoo priestess you can find ”

        That’s me. But I do charge a fee. And y’all will have to pay for my Amtrack ticket up to New York (no, no New Jersey Transit for me–slow as hell). And then the transit pass for the A train to get me from Pennsylvania Station up to Harlem. And the cost of the candles…and matches.

        But no live animals. The other Afro-Christian folks still do that.
        🙂

        • Derrick Johns

          Oh, and, of course, the Euro worshipers use human sacrifice but that’s kinda’ illegal, I think. So unnecessary. Just sacrifice a cockroach.

  • Lakeview Bob

    Kiss his ass? I can assure him there is no gay man that would be willing to do it. EWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Mark Neé Fuzz

      Yeah. Why is it that heterosexual males, no matter how disgusting, think every gay man is itching to get into their pants?

      • Homo Erectus

        They also think every female wants to sleep with them.

        • GC

          A corollary to the Dunning-Kruger effect?

          • TuuxKabin

            I often wondered this dilemma of theirs. I Googled that, and that seems the clearest explanation.

        • clay

          and any who doesn’t . . . lesbian.

          • Homo Erectus

            But they’ll still watch…..

          • GC

            …and hope that the porn trope is true, that “all women are really bi, and would jump at the chance to get it on with anyone with a dick.”

            Seen on a button: “I’m bisexual and I’m not attracted to you.”

      • RJ Bone

        Often conceit. They are probably among the nimrods that insist that they alone can turn a lesbian straight with their Magical Supercock and Awesome Skills.

        • Snarkaholic

          Or a baseball bat.

          • clay

            sad, but true

        • customartist

          Which aren’t so awesome to begin with

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        It’s for the same reason billionaires like Murdoch and The Donald probably thinks their wives married them for their charm and not the moolah.

      • customartist

        This explains their high anxiety

      • vorpal

        Pretty much every straight guy I came out to when I was younger:
        Him: Oh! Okay… wait… you were never attracted to me, were you?
        Me: No.
        Him: Wait… what? What’s wrong with me???

        • Beagle

          That’s why I always refused to answer that question. Either answer could cause trouble.

          • vorpal

            Probably a wise strategy :-).
            I can find a straight guy attractive, but I am not generally interested in him.

      • Psychological projection.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      With the possible exception of milo yiannopoulos. I suspect he’d LOVE to do it and more.

    • customartist

      He can can kiss his own ass goodbye

  • JT

    Manning: I want cock but jeebus … I want cum all over me but jeebus … I want that white devil cock inside me but jeebus … jeebus is in me … jeebus is in me … JEEBUS IS IN ME!!!

    • Snarkaholic

      “Touch me, Lord…fill me with your latte-uh…LOVE!”

      • Ginger Snap
        • Six Pins Delores

          My gawd what a blast from the past! She had married a a Lowell man long ago if I am not mistaken and btw looking good in your new avatar

  • Mark Neé Fuzz

    His message is ugly and dangerous, but for some reason I can’t help but laugh at his stupidity just as I’d laugh at any other fucktatrded buffoon. It’s a bit of a nervous laughter, though, and I’m not sure how safe it would be for anyone to be in that building after the crackpots are tossed out. On another note, no, I don’t want to kiss his ass. I only do that when I like someone.

    • Lakeview Bob

      I learned a new expression from you. “Fucktarded buffon”. Brilliant. It would be added to Miriam-Webster!!!

  • bkmn

    It’s going to take a lot of smudging to clear that place out.

    • Necessitas

      Suffumigation, definitely.

      • Octavio

        The bodies of dead children will be found in the basement. Mark my words. 🙁

        • Snarkaholic

          Along with thousands of empty Starbucks cups…

  • dcurlee

    Just skip Mannings ass across the parking lot. If there is a God he is proving he’s not pleased with this ass

  • Homo Erectus

    When he speaks I can hear jezus in his voice.

  • Lazycrockett

    You know what would perk the old preacher up?

    http://cdn.pinknews.co.uk/images/2014/11/Starbucks2.jpg

    • Lane

      Mmmmm…. Nice and fresh, too!

      • SammySeattle

        But that poor little twink in the back room being wanked repeatedly and mercilessly.

        • Lazycrockett

          The one that just showed up in the Cyndi Lauper post….good.

    • clay

      So thoughtful.

    • Alex Gera

      So much sodomite se(a)men. Is there some synthetic way to make it or how many James Manning Confirmed Filthy Sodomites Starbucks have to produce this much of this stuff? Seems that there’s much more Filthy Sodomites in this world than even Kinsey thought…

    • Bob Conti

      Must be from Taylor, the Latte Boy

      https://youtu.be/zXS0nEOx_20

    • Gest2016

      I finally understand why Starbucks baristas always look so spent.

  • Taylor

    I love Manning!

    He’s one of our best allies and he doesn’t even know it!

    • customartist

      Kinda like the North Carolina Republican Legislature. I thank them. It may be painful in the short term, but we will win in the courts.

  • Jafafa Hots

    Water bills are not taxes, for fuck’s sake. Churches are not exempt from paying for things they fucking USE.

    • Natty Enquirer

      It’s way more complicated than that. NYC law exempts churches from paying for municipal water.The squabble is over Manning’s private apartments, which the City contends are not exempt.

      • clay

        He also owns a dry cleaner, a grocery store, and a private school. I don’t know if he still owns the funeral parlor, as well.

        • Snarkaholic

          I wonder if he bars gays from shopping at his store?

          • Necessitas

            I wonder if he shops gays from the bars.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          So basically, he’s trying to become the Mormon Church.

        • Six Pins Delores

          Cleaver mother fucker covered all the bases it seems

        • Cuberly

          Whoa! Didn’t know all that.

          Somehow his personal circumstances take on a VERY different aura now.

      • customartist

        A “Special Law” for the Religious? I don’t like my money paying for that. And isn’t this unconstitutional in the first place?

    • Tom G

      He, for some reason, believes the city calls the water bill a tax. I’m not from there. Does any of our NYC friends care to show us what a water bill looks like from there?

      • Necessitas

        (click image to enlarge)

        • Tom G

          Thank you dear.

        • TuuxKabin

          Thank you Necessitas, helpful and informed as usual!

          • Necessitas

            Aw shucks, ’tweren’t nothin. 🙂

          • Cuberly

            Wow…remind me to hire you for matchmaker services. 🙂

    • Snarkaholic

      “B-b-but the Lord helps those who help themselves…so I helped myself!”

      • Hank

        Anyone want to check with the Panamanian Papers to see how much the Evil Preacher has hidden away off shore??? /s

  • Todd

    So delicious it must be fattening ! …
    http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ligp4ldjP91qbza03.gif

  • BobSF_94117

    A decade of ignoring utility bills… why is his power still on?

    • teedofftaxpayer

      He probably scared the crap out of them with his threats.

  • teedofftaxpayer

    Lets turn that Church into a place of LOVE instead of a place for HATE.

  • Tom G

    Bankruptcy? I believe the church is in foreclosure hearing regarding unpaid bills.

    • clay

      Bankruptcy because they also don’t have enough money to pay.

      • Tom G

        I would think they can give up the building and still “stay in business” somewhere else.

        • clay

          Just because a corporation is bankrupt, doesn’t mean they end– look at Trump.

  • This is clear reason why NO church or religion should EVER have tax exempt status.

  • Tom G

    Does anyone know why the city couldn’t simply warn them and then shut off their water until the bills are paid?

    • JustSayin’

      They have been warned…for years. They refuse to pay. In most cities it becomes a problem if you shut off water simply for non-payment. The property would have to be condemmed as non-habitable non-useable which it isnt so that would be a court case that dragged this out and that would give them victim status in the eyes of the haters.
      As it is this is just a dispute about a property owner wh refuses to pay a bill and only the most rabid think that churches dont have to pay for water or electric.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    “Ali Forney Center has raised $330,000 towards a down payment on the property, with a large portion of that amount coming from the JMG community.”

    That was an awesome day when we all rallied and got that thing to skyrocket past $200k.

    • TuuxKabin

      ‘memories, from the corners of my mind.’

      • billbear1961

        “Misty, water-colored memories . . .”

        • “Oh, could it be that it was all so simple then…”

  • vorpal

    What will it take for these douchebags to realize that their god doesn’t exist or that he isn’t on their side?

    • agcons

      The Rapture. In my fantasy world, they’ll all be “raptured” to Mars, as is, thus leaving Earth to us.

      • billbear1961

        Where they will explode upon arrival, the air pressure being only a tiny fraction of what it is on earth.

  • rabbit_ears

    Eat that you shit sack. Your god isn’t listening because he’s busy not existing.

  • TuuxKabin

    I copied the link, attached it to an email and sent it to friends and family. Crossing the line maybe but I don’t care. This information has to be widespread. Thanks for posting Joe! JMG is such a vital link to (borrow a name) all things consider. And some not. ;-D

  • Alex Gera

    And in next the Janet Folger-Porter-Smith-Goatfucker-Poppins-Jefferson-Goldfinger-Columbo’s Revengelious Prosecution Truthfilm “Light fades: This is the real time the filthy Sodostapo is coming to get your guns and boys! (if you won’t RIGHT NOW donate me 3 million dollars and elect me as your next theocratic-dictator-in-chief)” featuring Adam Baldwin, Kevin Sorbo, John Wayne, Adolf Hitler, white hetero-asexual CHRISTIAN Jesus (who JUST HAPPENS to love hang out with twelve single thirty something men. Who ALSO WERE HETERO-ASEXUALS, btw…) Tricky Dick Nixon, Satan, Captain Hook, zombie Ronald Reagan, Sarah Palin, Uma Thurman (needed some unnecessarily violent and graphic action and drug using scenes to attract anybody other than local mental patients to watch even the trailer, and Zombie Ronnie and Satan DIDN’T agree to do them!) and Snoop Dogg (just because his so high he doesn’t even know where he is. as always…) Ted Cruzed and Mike Hackabee will tell you this tragic Prosecution story as it is, FAIR AND BALANCED without filthy lefty sodomite biased anti-religion NY Times distortion!…

    • Joseph Miceli

      I think that was performance art.

    • Tor

      Twelve!! Count them. Twelve single men!

      • They weren’t all single. Some of them brought their wives along. Not that you read much about them in the Bible.

  • Ninja0980

    I have never been prouder to be part of the JMG community then when I was part of donating money to this.
    Here’s to giving LGBT youth hope and a future!

  • olandp

    So, who is pregnant in the balls with an asshole baby? Obviously someone is, as Manning’s Day of Judgment looms.

  • LarryChemEngr

    I wouldn’t put it past that wacko Manning to torch the place.

    • 2patricius2

      I have been thinking the same thing. It looks like a large building. What does he use the whole thing for, I wonder. Does he rent it out to people as apartments?

      • djcoastermark

        I heard it’s where he keeps his concubines for jeebus . so that they may pleasure himself unto thy lard!

      • Bj Lincoln

        Part of it is used for a school and part a soup kitchen. Because the building is used for more than just a place of worship is why they do NOT qualify for total tax exemption and have racked up such a huge bill with the city.

    • Helen Damnation ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      And pass out cyanide laced Kool-aid, ala the Reverend Jim Jone’s recipe…

  • BobSF_94117

    Sounds to me that facing financial ruin a few years back, he decided to go full Westboro Baptist and came up with a scam to generate support.

  • We need to put out a call for the gayest song ever for the purchasing ceremony. It can’t just be some pop monstrosity or a Willam song about dick.

    • Necessitas

      Ding-Dong! The Witch is Dead from The Wizard of OZ.

  • witch

    Again this wack-o is Crazy enough to destroy the building if he loses

    • Necessitas

      That’s fine too, because that would put him back in prison.

      • Todd20036

        And a new sanctuary would be built.

        THe man has assets. He’d pay (through fines) for a new place

  • Jerry Hinnant

    Mr, Manning, (will not use Rev. because he is no man of God) this is what Buddhist mean by KARMA and like they say it’s a bitch!

  • Taleisin

    The sooner this monster loses his church, the better.

  • glass

    I predict he will do something stupid and end up in jail as well, even if it’s only a temporary stay.

    • JW Swift

      Won’t be the first time for him. It’ll give him more opportunity for his “research” into how prison turns you gay. (Yes, he has been in prison before and has made public statements that men can get turned gay from being in prison.)

      • sfbob

        He would know this from personal experience. At least that’s my guess.

  • Steve Teeter

    He’s asked what message he has for those who want to buy his church, and he says, “Go to hell.” As a pastor his whole mission in life should be keeping people from going to hell. Hypocrisy, thy name is Manning.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      His idea of hell is having nowhere to beg for money.

      • billbear1961

        And no one to persecute and feel superior to.

    • billbear1961

      Think of the Sermon on the Mount and listen to this guy, and tell me he’s a pastor or ANY kind of genuine Christian.

    • billbear1961

      I added “genuine” to my first reply, Steve.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    It’s a real shame that I don’t believe in Karma.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Is there anybody else who would like to buy that place? Auctions can get crazy so I’m a little worried about bidding going out of control.

  • Marilyn Boggs

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    • Curieux Bleu

      Flagged

  • It is going to be so very rewarding to see James Manning lose on this one. I would suggest that he go join the WBC instead but I bet they are to racist for that to happen.

  • Ray

    I can’t wait for the big rainbow flag that’s going to hang in front of this place. I just can’t wait.

  • jomicur

    And there are people who genuinely don’t understand why so many of us despise Christianity.