Barney Frank Vs Bernie Sanders [VIDEO]

Barney Frank slammed Bernie Sanders yesterday in an interview with Slate:

It’s ironic that we complain about voter suppression and shortened voting times and then we have so many caucuses. The caucuses are the least democratic political operation in America. They cater to the people who have a lot of time on their hands, and what’s interesting is Sanders is the nominee of the caucuses and Hillary is the nominee of the primaries.

I am disappointed by the voters who say, “OK I’m just going to show you how angry I am!” And I’m particularly unimpressed with people who sat out the Congressional elections of 2010 and 2014 and then are angry at Democrats because we haven’t been able to produce public policies they like. They contributed to the public policy problems and now they are blaming other people for their own failure to vote, and then it’s like, “Oh look at this terrible system,” but it was their voting behavior that brought it about.

Bernie Sanders has been in Congress for 25 years with little to show for it in terms of his accomplishments and that’s because of the role he stakes out. It is harder to get things done in the American political system than a lot of people realize, and what happens is they blame the people in office for the system. And that’s the same with the Tea Party. It’s “I voted for these Republicans, we have a Republican Congress, we voted for them, they took over Congress, they didn’t accomplish anything.” You gotta win at least two elections in a row.

VIDEO: The Frank/Sanders kerfuffle began a week ago on PBS NewsHour.

  • Lazycrockett

    I love Barney!! To the point and spot on.

  • justmeeeee

    Barney’s always been wiling to sell out for political gain, bless his little heart.

    • Todd20036

      Political gain? He was a light in the darkness calling for gay rights before we gained a huge movement. Hew was talking about gay rights during the Clinton administration.
      Short memory you have there.

      • justmeeeee

        Nice totally irrelevant comment, there, buck-o.

        • Uh, no, he’s making the point that you are misremembering Frank’s history. Got some specific examples to show us that don’t include the words “Freddie Mac” or “Fannie Mae”?

          • Bill_Perdue

            ENDA 2007.

      • Bill_Perdue

        Frank is the self loather who excluded Trans people from the 2007 version of ENDA and then gutted it for good measure. No wonder you admire him so.

        • sosotiredofbillperdue

          Welcome back sweetie. I see you’re off to a good start name callin everybody

          Big Smootches

          xoxoxox

  • Circ09

    Bernie didn’t do himself any favors on Maddow. He needs to start lining up behind at least the progressive Democrats in States where Sanders outreach and funding help could make a real difference.

    • bkmn

      When he said he isn’t sure about fundraising for other Dems that really said everything one needs to hear.

    • Lazycrockett

      His dismissal of Donalds “punish the women” as a frivolous statement was disturbing.

      • Not if you’ve paid attention to how he hasn’t done a damn thing to stop the Bernie Bros. (Or at least make it clear that such language is NOT ok.)

        • Ninja0980

          Or imply that voters in the South are stupid or uninformed.
          And if they want to harp on the fact they will be voting red in the fall, only fair to point out many of the states Bernie has cleaned up in will be red as well.

        • AW

          Oh but he did! Once in February long after the bros were out in full force and after he called them “revolutionaries” in his best Nixon accent (Futurama Nixon, whenever he speaks it reminds me of Nixon from Futurama.) Then he hasn’t addressed them since.

        • Jonathan

          What do we do with the caustic Clinton fan club, possibly the nastiest and most wretched lemmings I’ve ever encountered.

          What is Bernie supposed to do about ill behaved supporters? The same thing as Hilary – what stupid mewling.

          • Jeffrey

            I have yet to run into a Hillary supporter as nasty as a Bernie supporter. Im undecided yet, but Bernie supporters make me question what he is offering, or not offering because I don’t yet see a real plan from him.

    • Gustav2

      Yeah, ignoring down ticket races will win friends and influence Super Delegates!

    • Gene

      we are probably not going to go Dem this year (in 4 or 6, possibly) but at least down here, Dems I know who work for people high up in the state party say he has made NO friends, and lost a few whom he had. I cannot imagine its any different in the blue states.

    • Michael Alden

      I’m think if he does get the nom he will raise money if not I think he will sit out that part of the process.

      • timncguy

        the issue is that he could be raising money for the party RIGHT NOW just like Clinton is. As I understand it, Clinton has already raised over 30 mil for the party.

        • Robert C

          But where is the money coming from? If it’s coming from $25k+ a plate fundraisers, that would kinda go against Bernie Sanders’ anti-big-money message, which I don’t think would do him any favors. It didn’t bother me that Sanders’ didn’t commit on that question from Maddow. Although I would certainly hope that he helps AFTER he secures the nomination.

          • timncguy

            You do understand that those down ballot dems that the fundraisers are helping are also the super delegates that he wants to change over to support him, right?

          • Robert C

            Yes, I do. But you know that Clinton would MURDER him (figuratively, of course) if one moment Sanders is railing against big money, and the next he’s attending big-money fundraisers, even if it is to help down-ticket Democrats.

            Barring overwhelming Party support, his word is all he has to go on, especially since Clinton has tried to peg Sanders as a flip-flopper; accusations that haven’t really stuck. Being principled is not easy.

    • Bill_Perdue

      Democrats are not progressives or part of the left.

  • bkmn

    Once in a while Barney says things that are entirely true.

    • Derrick Johns

      Yes, I agree with Barney here. The Congressional elections of 2010 and 2014 were devastating.
      I went through a lot of trouble to vote in 2010. I’d just changed neighborhoods and had to go quite a distance to vote. But I did (without one sip of vodka). Well, I’ll have a chance to vote for Joe Sestak again in a few weeks…I just won’t have to travel to outer Mongolia to do it.

  • Gustav2

    I’m particularly unimpressed with people who voted for Obama in 2008 and thought there would be unicorns, etc. and now are pissed.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      You can’t be too easy.

      I didn’t vote for Obama in 2008, hence the unicorn (with absolutely NO quid pro quo) on my doorstep in 2012.

    • Blake Jordan

      Voted for Pres. Obama in 2008 & 2012, but “abandoned” him in 2010 & 2014 midterms by letting rethuglicans steal the House for a decade after the former midterm.

    • AW

      I’ll admit that I felt annoyed by Obama after the election, thinking he had not been very effective but hindsight has shown that given the amount of obstructionism he’s had to face he’s done a pretty damn good job.

      It’s one of my first reasons I didn’t immediately like the Bernie platform, his expectations were just too high and I didn’t feel like facing severe disappointment after. Now I don’t like him for a lot of other reasons but I’d still support him in the general, the Bern Victims still expect a rainbow and the unicorns to show up should he even get the nomination that suddenly more than half the country will vote for healthcare for all and that it wouldn’t go to the courts for years to come.

  • LADY MABELINE

    I am Team Barney on this one.

    • Lazycrockett

      Hillary has time and time again explained the problem with the Frank Dood numerous time in debates and yet no one has picked that up. Its not the big banks that was the issue it was the hedge funds which is why Hillary keeps bring up that other bill that puts an end to that.

    • Get Real

      # of SuperDelegate that Have Switched to Bernie Sanders (after arm twisting): 0

      http://www.joemygod.com/2016/03/27/sanders-hillarys-superdelegates-might-switch-video/

      • aschops
        • Get Real

          Ok. One-ish (temporarily)

          So he will wind up supporting Hillary Clinton anyway since she will be the nominee…

          • aschops

            Um, we don’t know who the nominee will be, quit being arrogant. And how about removing your lying first post which is proof more of your ignorance and avoidance of news you dislike than what is actually happening on the ground?

          • theo775

            Actually, he said “switched to Bernie Sanders.” Dabakis didn’t switch to Bernie, he switched from Clinton to “the (eventual) nominee,” which is not, as of yet, Bernie.

            The point stands.

          • Ok

            As another poster wrote, Nate Silver has done the full analysis. Bernie has to win Wyoming by +57, Wisconsin by +16 and New York by +4. Any missed and he cannot get the delegates. It is not arrogance but rather simple math. You might not like the results but you cannot argue with math and science.

          • Blackbird

            Nate Silver, wasn’t that the numbers infallible guru that also told us that Hillary would take Michigan handsomely and then Mr. Sanders went on to win by an astonishing strong 22 points?

            Nate Silvers has apologized and some of us go on pretending he’s still a god.

            It IS arrogance… we LIKED the results and we CAN argue with HIS math and science.

    • aschops

      Dishonest and shady guy. Failing to disclose his position as Clinton adviser and his ties with the financial market. http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/06/17/barney-frank-yes-that-barney-frank-joins-a-bank-board/

      He’s doing what is expected from his position as both of those things. But it’s nice to see the Clinton camp getting more nervous, shows they feel pressured.

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce1McH4WwAU99zH.jpg

    • As always, our Barney has good points. Maybe it’s my migraine, but I just feel O NOES! NOW MY _TWO DADDIES_ ARE FIGHTING.
      PS I love all you guyz n grrlz at joe’s Bar. My poor head!

      • Treant

        I always have fun imagining the conversations going on in the overblown photos like this.

        “Me? *I* can’t satisfy you? If you’d put down the twelve inch John Holmes toy for a while, you might shrink it back a bit.”

        “And deal with your four inch Tyrion Lannister model? Your boyfriend might like it but it can’t satisfy me.”

        “Mommy and daddy sure fight about their action figures a lot.” ‘Yeah.”

    • OculusVeritas

      Please read this…you may want to change your opinion.

      >>>>>Petition: Regulators: Finish Dodd-Frank before the end of 2016

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  • bkmn

    O/T – corporations that usually provide funding for the RNC’s nominating convention are scaling back significantly or holding off…

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/corporate-sponsors-think-twice-backing-republican-event

    • Jimmie Z

      “…maybe RNC can hold a car wash, or a bake sale …”

  • Gene

    I always loved this contankerous old fart on the left…who GOT THINGS DONE.

    I am sure he will get some hell for being the voice of reason and reality, but hey, no one ever said it was easy being Cassandra. Hopefully, enough people (of the deluded Ms Sarandan variety) will have the sense to listen to the good Mr. Frank

    • bill weber

      He’s not on the left.

    • Bill_Perdue

      democrats are not part of the left. Frank is a quisling who excluded Trans people from ENDA in 2007. It seem natrural that you’d like him.

      • sosotiredofbillperdue

        Angel, ya know ya gotta start bein nicer to folks if ya wanna keep those internet privileges. Ya just got outta that isolation ward and ya already back to rantin and ravin at everybody. I thought the doctor gave you a 30 day refill on the mood stabilizers. Ya can’t have run out already.

  • Bruno

    I agree with him regarding 2010 and 2014, but I’m not sure outwardly blaming the voters is a great election strategy.

    • rextrek1

      AGREED! Barney – sorry – you were PART of the establishment – tho I will Vote Blue NO matter who – Im for Bernie and 56yrs old……

      • danolgb

        Blah blah establishment. BERNIE is also part of the very establishment he wants you to believe he’s not part of. There’s a certain irony when a Bernie supporter posts the meme about people serving in congress too long.

    • HoneyBoySmith

      I think he’s just being honest.

      We get the kind of government we deserve.

      And, if progressives stay home during midterms because the president didn’t deliver rainbows and unicorns…or, if they boycott a general election because the candidate who agrees with them 95% of the time beat the candidate who agrees with them 98% of the time, the result is a setback for progressive policies.

      It’s a kind of insanity that just helps Republicans.

      • Bruno

        I’m not sure I agree with him on the rainbows and unicorns part, at least not totally. Sure, some people do that. But generally there are a LOT of voters, especially young voters, who just stay home during mid-term elections as a rule. Especially if the president’s party is the same as their preferred party. I admit I used to do this when I was just of voting age; the presidential elections always generate more interest to certain voters than the mid-terms. I think the Democrats really need to figure out how to engage a huge swath of their voters in non-presidential years, and that won’t come by blaming them and calling them petulant.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          “I think the Democrats really need to figure out how to engage a huge swath of their voters in non-presidential years”

          Got any suggestions, Bruno? (Srsly.)

          • Bruno

            I’m not sure really. How does one get a self-absorbed youth interested in down ballot politics? It would take a really exhaustive, organized effort. Convincing someone who’s only partially interested or feels somehow otherwise disenfranchised that their state senate race is just as important as the presidential race is a tough sell.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            It is a tough sell, yes. Maybe organized effort is not the best way to go about it??? One-on-one or smaller group discussions? Surely this has come up before?

          • Bruno

            I’m sure it’s come up. It just may be an unfortunate thing about our culture that the youth are progressive but hard to motivate. But I really do think somehow the Democratic Party could be activating them better in the mid-terms.

    • Ninja0980

      Maybe not but they have to be called out.
      You aren’t always going to get a 100 purist candidate, something Republican voters know and vote anyway because any Republican is still better then a Democrat for the most part.
      Not so for our side.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    I ::heart:: BF, and his general political acumen is spot on, but I also refer to him as “Banker Frank”.

  • This Country’s a Joke

    > The caucuses are the least democratic political operation in America.

    I fucking hate caucuses, but you know what I hate more? Pretending like our alternative to them is any better. Our alternative is horrible because it’s run by states and powerful folks who benefit when people are confused or blatantly misled at the polls. At least with a caucus, you know how your vote works. It sucks, but it’s not a fucking butterfly ballot or a machine that needs “recalibrating” every hour.

    If Barney wants to talk about democratic operations in this goddamn nation, maybe he should talk about the voter registration leak of 190 million people. Should that one ever be shared widely, my stalker will have my information. Thanks, America. I’ll (maybe) be able to vote. I’ll just have to fear for my life.

    > Bernie Sanders has been in Congress for 25 years with little to show for it in terms of his accomplishments…

    Except for all the amendments, which have secured funding for programs for the poor, vets, women, and children, but who the hell cares about that, right? Clinton, by the way? Zero roll call amendments while she was senator.

    • Prion

      I agree with the intent of your post, but don’t understand “leak”. Voter Registrations are public records available to anyone for the asking (and perhaps a service charge).

      • TimCA

        Not in California in my experience. Private citizens, unaffiliated with a bonafide political campaign, do not have a right to access individual voting records.

      • This Country’s a Joke

        The leak was an organized database of everyone’s information. Yes, lots of voter information is disgustingly public. It’s not, however, always served up in a convenient package that lists name, date of birth, and voting affiliation all in one place (thus making it easier to log in and be nosy or even tamper with records).

        From a Forbes article:

        That this kind of information is open to anyone might not alarm at first glance. Much of the data is publicly available across states as campaigners seek to home in on certain demographics. But some charge thousands of dollars for the pleasure. Many also place restrictions on the use of the information for commercial purposes.

        The database has now been taken down. But thanks to someone’s carelessness, it was free to anyone who could find what Vickery did. That meant anyone in the world could have discovered where a person in the US lives and what political beliefs they may have. If they found the database, scammers and marketing folk alike will likely benefit most.

    • Michael Alden

      By undemocratic it’s pretty obvious that not everyone has the free time on their hands to caucus for a large chunk of the day, if it were a Primary, more people would be able to cast their vote and go on about their day, not in AZ of course since Republicans made sure of that.

      • This Country’s a Joke

        We could do standardized, nationwide mail-in voting almost entirely. I live in WA with mail-in voting. It’s wonderful. But the parties, both of them, would never go for that. The *Democratic* Party in my state awards delegates according to caucuses. There is ALSO a Democratic primary that doesn’t award delegates, which is for, I don’t know, shits and giggles? Hilariously, the GOP functions in the exact opposite way. They have a caucus that’s for shits and giggles, but a primary that awards delegates.

        Do notice Frank waits until we’re halfway through the primaries to give a fuck about the election process. (Thanks for nothing, asshole.) A process that, in my state, is only as dysfunctional as it is because of the party he so loves. Also notice that he only gives a fuck about caucuses, which his pal Clinton mostly loses. He doesn’t say a damn thing about the electoral college, though, and that, along with Citizens United, is the height of anti-democratic BS. Caucuses are nothing, by comparison.

        Frank gives nobody anything here, except maybe Clinton, but everyone laps it up like good dogs because we’re oh-so-thankful when an American politician says or does the smallest thing that resonates with our fucked up reality.

        We’re a train wreck for a developed nation. Every morning I get up, pissed off about Flint, corruption, brutality, and so on. All we get is words, if that. And it so isn’t just because we’ve got crazy, bigoted Republicans in office. If only.

        But I suppose everything will be grand when our abuela is in office, right? Hah.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          “We’re a train wreck for a developed nation. Every morning I get up,
          pissed off about Flint, corruption, brutality, and so on. All we get is
          words, if that.”

          So what are you doing to help, This Country’s A Joke? And what would you most like to change about our nation?

          • This Country’s a Joke

            I’m a teacher. I scramble to keep kids from getting destroyed by a system created hateful Republicans created and weak, indifferent Democrats mostly tolerate. I do what I can, as do many other teachers, but it’s not enough; we’re not enough and can’t be. We fret over kids, over whether they’re getting enough to eat, getting care, etc. Things are going to get much worse before they have any chance of getting better. I doubt they’ll get better.

            What would I most like to see change? First, we need universal health care, or at the very least a public option. People are chained to their jobs and locations due to insurance; they’re putting off medical care, even when they have it because of absurd deductibles. (ACA barely helped with any of it. Plenty of the plans you can get through the exchanges are expensive jokes, so people are still driven toward employers that can offer real benefits. Only change ACA really gave us was that insurers can’t kick you quite as much when you’re down in the quicksand that is medical debt.) Then we need largely free tertiary education, or so cheap that it might as well be free. It works in other nations. Are we so inferior that we can’t achieve it? Probably, at this point.

            That’s the tip of the iceberg. The problem isn’t what any of us would “most like” to see change. The problem is that there are literally dozens (hundreds?) of things that need to change, not tomorrow, but yesterday. We have laid waste to black communities, to poor communities, even to the middle class. Even if we were to get universal health care and free education overnight, we’d still have private prisons, police brutality, heartless deportation, toddlers accidentally shooting their parents, lousy infrastructure, and so on. And then there’s climate change, the biggest concern of all.

            We’re past the point at which incremental change will do.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Thanks for the thoughtful and interesting reply, This Country’s A Joke, and thx for your service as a teacher.

            Agree that educational and health-care systems are a mess.

            Just this month I received a notice from my insurer that my individual health insurance policy premium is being raised more than Twenty Percent (20%)–to over One Thousand Dollars ($1,000) a month! Have my benefits expanded? No. Are their profits at an all-time high? Yes. One reason they gave for increasing premium was that “more people are using health-care system” (!)–wtf?! Every economist says that will decrease premiums.

            Re: education: In a recent discussion on another site about our public schools in CA, I was shocked that not a single person seemed to know (or care) about the effects that Proposition 13 (basically freezing property-tax rates at 1970s levels) has had on our schools and other institutions. Many comments seemed to evince the sentiment that if the public schools were poor, one could just send the kids to private school! What percentage of the population can afford that?

  • Carlos Geary

    STOP TELLING BERNIE SANDERS TO DROP ! It is very anti-democratic.
    People in each State have a right to vote. Bernie Sanders should run until convention.

    • rextrek1

      abso-friggin-lutely!

    • Gene

      1) its expensive. Money spent now against another (fairly new I will add) Democrat is money that COULD be spent against the rethuglican later

      2) its not helping Clinton in Nov, and THAT’S the vote that REALLY matters for democracy. the one for the D vs the Rethuglican

    • Capritaur

      Try google “Hillary Clinton should concede” and “Bernie Sanders should concede”, they yield the same results of Sander supporters calling Clinton to concede.

      https://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+clinton+should+concede&oq=hillary+clinton+should+concede&aqs=chrome..69i57.3552j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
      https://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+clinton+should+concede&oq=hillary+clinton+should+concede&aqs=chrome..69i57.3552j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=bernie+sanders+should+concede

      The amount of projection, I can’t even.

      • I’m really tired of everyone saying “get out Candidate X.” Clinton didn’t concede in 2008 until Obama hit the magic number of delegates in June.

      • Robert C

        There was a story that came across my FB feed yesterday, and I believe it was that HuffPo story, about how Clinton should concede, that comes up at the top of both of the Google searches. It was cringe-worthy to be sure, and I’m a Bernie Sanders supporter. I think it’s inappropriate to call for anybody to concede before the primaries are over. I think the way Google’s algorithm works, puts all of those stories (about Clinton conceding) up because it was a recent story on major, highly-linked pages. Also, if you look at the “bernie” search, if you look past the first three links, the date on most of those links are from the past couple of weeks or so, and have nothing to do with Sanders or his supporters calling for Clinton to concede, or they talk about how Clinton has conceded primary contests that she lost. I don’t think you can count on a Google search to gauge how many times one group has called for another group to concede the primary.

        But I have to say that I see Clinton supporters calling for Sanders to concede WAY more than Sanders supporters calling for Clinton to concede. They don’t always put it in those words, but it’s strongly implied with language such as “Sanders can’t win”. I realize that’s anecdotal at best, but it is what I see.

    • customartist

      If Trump runs as an Independent, then Sanders should too

      • Gene

        so….you..want, a far, FAR greater chance for a Republican to win…and, fuck up all our lives for a generation or two via SCOTUS to let a man rambling about a revolution that will not happen make a point?
        we just risk losing Obamacare/abortion rights./marriage equality/the environment…but, hey, it could start a revolution!

        (banging head in frustration on desk)

        • It’s incredibly infuriating that people don’t seem to believe that, yes, the GOP will reverse all of these gains if they get the Presidency and Congress despite that actually happening in Kentucky, North Carolina, and Mississippi.

          • Gene

            indeed! And a 4 way race? with the democrats and the party establishment behind clinton…he would not have a chance at all! thats a HIGH price to pay for making a point.

        • Capritaur

          Privilege allows these people to sit things out while the less privileged get completely fucked over. The ones who will not vote blue in November if their candidate didn’t get chosen claim they’re voting with their conscience, yet the apathy they display is completely unconscionable

          • Ninja0980

            They in fact condone crap like what is happening NC and MS if they choose to sit out, simple as that.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Only if you equate Bernie supporters with sitting out the election if he isn’t the chosen candidate.
            I am more than a little tired of the meme and I’m about to the point where I’m going to start trolling this site with “Hillary supporters are likely to stay home on election day. Please Hillary supporters….vote for Bernie if he gets the nomination. Your selfish privilege isn’t voting with your conscience, it is apathy!”

          • Capritaur

            Did I say Bernie supporters in my post?

          • Joseph Miceli

            You did not. I apologize. I have spent to much time on this page and it is making me bitter.
            I’m off to read something less contentious.

          • Carl

            Yes, there’s a disconnect. “I vote Bernie because only Bernie is looking out for the most vulnerable of us. If I can’t vote Bernie in November, I’ll leave the most vulnerable of us to the mercy of Cruz or Trump because that’s what we deserve”. It doesn’t track.

            (I’m speaking of Bernie or Bust people, not Bernie voters in general).

        • bill weber
        • Bill_Perdue

          “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. “HL Mencken

          Politically motivated hysteria is just as odious as the real thing.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    The caucus format, by virtue of what it requires, skews to favor those with abundant time in their day, to say nothing of their young lives. Of COURSE there are exceptions. But any structural barrier to political expression is problematic.

  • Cuberly

    But what about financial executives that go from the big banks to serve at the Fed and other regulatory agencies. And visa versa. The cozy relationships between the political institutions and financial institutions.

    When so few financial institutions hoard so much of the wealth, how is that advantageous to America at large compared to it benefitting the select share holders of those institutions that most likely are already in that higher percentage of earners.

    I see what Frank is saying but I don’t think the conversation was broad enough to address the influence and drag such wealth accumulation has on the economy and especially the middle and poor classes.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      I know it was a typo, but I loved the speech irony:

      When so few financial institutions hoarse so much

      • Cuberly

        Ha!…yeah I saw that, went back to edit for clarity. Damn I hate using Safari on a mac. The autocorrect is bossy & insistent as fuck.

  • Nothing like a retired transphobe to have in your camp, Hillary. Along with your remarks about Nancy Reagan’s “AIDS activism” it looks like you’re trying to give even more of your target demographic to someone else,

    Hillary Clinton is the DNC’s Mitt Romney.

    • Sam_Handwich

      Bernie couldn’t be bothered to actually join the Democratic party

      I guess he’s the DNC’s Trump

    • Gene

      ah…denial and delusion…the dreaded double ‘d’ of those who dont like what they are seeing (or delegate counts)

      • I don’t actually care who wins the primaries or the general for that matter. Hillary bought the presidency years ago. This is all just going through the motions so you can pretend it’s still a democracy you live in.

        Although as a point of fact, Obama had less delegate votes that Sanders did at this point in the primaries running up to the 2008 election.

        • Treant

          Deceptive. There were fewer delegates available in 2008. Of more interest is the fact that Obama was much less ahead at this point than Clinton is.

        • Gene

          he lead her pretty much the entire election. its why I switched my loyalty from her, to him. He was winning.

          and for someone who does not care, you seem comment on it a good bit

      • Bill_Perdue

        You’re deluded, the US is not a democracy. Only fools think it is. “A new scientific study from Princeton researcher Martin Gilens and Northwestern researcher Benjamin I. Page has finally put some science behind the recently popular argument that the United States isn’t a democracy any more. And they’ve found that in fact, America is basically an oligarchy.

        Comparing the preferences of the average American at the 50th percentile of income to what those Americans at the 90th percentile preferred, as well as the opinions of major lobbying or business groups, the researchers found out that the government followed the directives set forth by the latter two much more often. It’s beyond alarming.

        As Gilens and Page write, ‘the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.’ In other words, their statistics say your opinion literally does not matter.” http://mic.com/articles/87719/princeton-concludes-what-kind-of-government-america-really-has-and-it-s-not-a-democracy

    • Michael Alden

      More like Hillary is this election cycle’s Obama of the DNC and Bernie is the Ron Paul of the DNC

  • customartist

    Sorry Barney, friend, as one of the Elite Super-Delegates, you just CANNOT complain about the Lack of Democratic Processes.

    • Treant

      Er, Bernie’s an Elite Superdelegate.

  • jimi008

    You tell ‘m Barney! The RESOUNDING success of Dodd-Frank has made Bernie’s plan for sweeping financial reform obsolete…oh wait, that’s not right. Sit down Barney, you’ve had your chance to make a real difference and you didn’t.

    • customartist

      Well, he made some differences, although I do not support his current statements

  • Sam_Handwich

    The bitter rage from the Berners is as adolescent as what goes on at Trump rallies.

    • Todd20036

      At least Berned people don’t attack protestors, I think

    • Joseph Miceli

      Most of MY bitter rage has to do with the idiotic stereotyping I’ve had to put up with from Hillary supporters.

      • Man_in_the_mists

        It’s gotten to the point where I start dreading political threads here because I know Clinton supporters will fill it to overflowing with their toxic bile at any and every opportunity.

        • Joseph Miceli

          Seriously. There are one or two Bernie guys I can think of offhand that I’d like to slap, but really the constant droning by a few Hillary supporters about “Bernie guys won’t vote Hillary” drowns even them out!
          Most of our people aren’t playing this game, though. I believe a solid majority refuses to soil themselves in this playpen. I should emulate them.

          • Man_in_the_mists

            And it’s recently been getting worse with a few assholes on here happily trying to stir Clinton/Sanders shit in posts that have nothing to do with it.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Exactly! Lots of sheep in wolf’s clothing, bought and paid for to stir up trouble.

    • Jay George

      I agree. Since I don’t go to Trump rallies, I don’t have to tolerate being called names and pushed around. Unlike the internet where I’ve been attacked for my fairly peaceful, nonjudgmental opinions. Sander’s supporters have put me off the man. I used to like him and agree with many of his political stances, but if he fosters that kind of anger and hate, I don’t want anything to do with him.

  • another_steve

    “I am disappointed by the voters who say, “OK I’m just going to show you how angry I am!””

    One of the sadder elements of the Sanders legacy will be his having played from the same exact gamebook that Donald Trump played from. The “everything is broken and we need revolution” playbook.

    It’s the wrong playbook for our times. Worse, it panders to people’s worse, most angry and irrational side.

    Shame on Bernie for pandering like that.

    • rextrek1

      I call BS-Bernie nor his campaign are NOTHING like Trumps…….whats wrong with pointing out the FACTS? Maybe people are just F’n tired of the status quo BS………where has that gotten any of us????

      • danolgb

        Because 9 times out of 10 he’s only pointing out the facts he wants you to see. Bernie has the benefit of obscurity to hide from you the votes and actions that are nearly identical to the ones he calls out Hillary for.

        • pretty much

        • Jonathan

          Good lord that’s a really stupid claim but…consider the source.

          • danolgb

            Let’s see.. just this past week Bernie was harping on the Clooney’s for holding a fundraiser (for down ticket candidates no less) yet has himself been the recipient of a Beverly Hills fundraiser by a high-end real estate agent. The only reason why he didn’t charge as much was there are limits for a single campaign. Hillary is at least fulfilling her contractual obligation to raise funds for down ticket candidates.

    • Agreed. They’re both making an appeal to extremism. Bernie’s campaign has been getting shriller and shriller as time goes on and he keeps losing, and it’s going to bite him in the ass. I just hope his supporters come back to sanity and don’t risk getting President Trump/Cruz/Whoever to “teach” everyone a lesson.

      • rextrek1

        Im voting Blue no matter who – But I still aint giving up on Bernie Yet!

        • And I’m not telling you to.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Actually, you are, and by using the most offensive insults to denigrate Sanders supporters that you can get away with.

          • You again?

            Criticizing a campaign and calling him out for pandering to extremes is not telling someone not to vote for Sanders in the primary. If he runs a third-party campaign (WHICH HE CAN’T AT THIS POINT AS MOST OF THE FILING DEADLINES HAVE PASSED), then I would be saying “don’t vote for him, it’ll be Nader all over again, folks.”

          • Joseph Miceli

            Yes, me again. You seem to love the word pander. I wonder if you aim that at Hillary…or is she exempt due to the single fact of your support. Oh, and my comment was about YOU using abusive language to Sanders supporters because we are all alike. Words matter.

          • timncguy

            yes, because Sanders supporters don’t use insults to talk about Clinton and her supporters

          • Joseph Miceli

            So, when Republicans pass unconstitutional laws to target people they don’t like, you’d be o.k. with Dems doing it to people THEY don’t like?
            I suggest that your moral compass could use a tune up. “He said it first” does not excuse you from behaving like a jerk.

          • timncguy

            I haven’t insulted anyone and defy you to show where I have. Now, I’d like you to show me your posts where you admonish Sanders supporters for using insulting language.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Straw man. I don’t reply to specious arguments.

          • timncguy

            But, ya did Blanche, ya did!!!!

          • Joseph Miceli

            Technically I concede that it was a response. Hug that too you tonight to keep you warm.

          • tomfromthenews

            I upped this comment only because I watched that movie (again) last night.

          • timncguy

            It’s on my DVR right now waiting for me to watch from its recent showing on TCM.

          • JustSayin’

            nothing straw man about it. You made a claim against him, now prove it.

          • Joseph Miceli

            And he made one having nothing to do with the original argument. Nope, not playing his or YOUR game.

          • JustSayin’

            offensive insults? the “most”? really you are having a little girl temper tantrum

          • Joseph Miceli

            LOL, oh my! I’ll tell that to “Trolita” when I see her. You, however, might want to look up “Projection.”

        • Just Sayin’

          The chances of Bernie winning the nomination is virtually zero according to math (and science). It will take a miracle from the universe for him to win. Nate Silver has already done the hard cold math and these are the margins which Bernie must win. For example he has to win the Wyoming caucus by +57 and Wisconsin by +16. Any deviation and it is curtains…

          http://www.salon.com/2016/03/31/bernies_miracle_path_to_victory_nate_silver_crunches_the_numbers_on_a_sanders_win_partner/

          • JustSayin’

            ahh the copycat stalker using my screen name is alive and well.

          • Just Sayin’

            Where is your patent to this common expression? Is it in your imaginary mind?

          • Carl

            Perhaps you’re both the result of a Transporter malfunction.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            “Perhaps you’re both the result of a Transporter malfunction.”

            Tuvix in the flesh! (See StarTrek Voyager for details.)

          • JustSayin’

            You copied my screen name and pretended to post as me creating lies and dissention or at least tried to. You are a whiny imbecile.

        • As much as I have issues with Bernie, I rather vote for a Bernie Sanders’s America, rather than to belong to future combover artists of American, eat well marbled meat, redecorate my house with mandatory gold leaf interior decorations, make a pilgrimage to our founding father’s shrine at West Palm Beach, FL, and date Slovenians..

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Hey, okojo, why the hating on Slovenians? They are a beautiful people. with a very interesting language, and they might even have been mentioned by Tacitus (under a different ‘tribal’ name)! ;}

            P.S. I know, I know, Melanoma!

          • I am being prejudicial against Slovenians, because I want to go there, I met a couple when I was in Bariloche in Tango and Carne Asado land once upon a time..

          • Phillip in L.A.

            “I met a couple when I was in Bariloche in Tango and Carne Asado land once upon a time”

            I’ll buy that for a dollar, okojo!

      • 2karmanot

        ppppffffftttt

    • Clungeflaps

      Nothing extreme at all about Bernie’s platform, it’s just how Dems were for 40 years, 1940s to 1980s. You older gays reaped all of the economic benefits from it and now you want to throw the ladder down after you’ve climbed up.

      • another_steve

        You “younger gays” — sitting there playing with your expensive handheld computer tchotchkes — are lecturing us old fags about the economy? Ha! Surely you jest.

        The American economy is not broken. It needs work, but it’s not broken. It’s enabled you, for example, to use your fancy and oh-so-current computer toys to express your utter disgust with things like capitalism and marketplace economics.

        Someday, when you grow up, you’ll appreciate the folly and irony of that.

        • Clungeflaps

          Your generation is the most spoiled that has ever existed in all of history, and we are paying the bill for it.

          • JustSayin’

            interesting from the generation that is “all about me” and “i can say what I want and you can suck it” attitudes. Oh yeah, go home and live with your mother, it is were the rest of your generation are.

          • Clungeflaps

            I’ve lived on my own since I was 16, so your insult fails. Also, I’ve worked since I was 8, so my work ethic is far better than yours.

            What have you done?

          • JustSayin’

            getting an allowance is not work, and neither is being paid for sex.

          • Clungeflaps

            I wasn’t getting an allowance though. You obviously don’t know how to run a business.

          • JustSayin’

            Yeah the six million my company nets a year shows how well i can run a business. You not so much. 8 year olds, despite your lie, dont support themselves and mommy and daddy giving them money is an allowance not a job

        • Joseph Miceli

          The economy is broken. It has been broken for a long time. Welcome to the gilded age. That you deny it is really….quite disturbing. It truly calls your judgement into question.

          • Jonathan

            Seriously, what an clueless moron and know-nothing he is. Some of his comments are worthy of an imbecile

          • JustSayin’

            it is not broken just because you are not smart enough and motivated enough to work.

          • Clungeflaps

            Oh here we go, some incredibly naive libertarian Ayn Rand, pull yourself up by the bootstraps rubbish.

            It’s no wonder someone as easily bamboozled and hoodwinked as you would go for Hillary.

          • JustSayin’

            if you are talking to me, there is nothing Ayn Rand about me. Though I did build my businesses from scratch and retired as a Disabled Navy Combat Chief. but hey you wouldn’t know about hard work, it would interfere with your whining.

          • Corsair Tact

            Thanks for your service!

          • Clungeflaps

            Listen, vets and their families get to enjoy pretty much a very generous cradle to grave welfare program. So I don’t think you can critique anyone for not working hard enough, or being smart enough.

            You can have an IQ of 60 and still get in the Army.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Oh Look! A log cabin troll! I see where you are going wrong, there. Empathy for those less fortunate is not “smarts” or “motivation.” It is what makes us human. You should try it.

          • JustSayin’

            As usual you are as clueless as you are insipid. You cannot even keep your lies about others straight.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Princess Projectra says “what?”

    • Joseph Miceli

      Shame on you for not realizing he’s right and for telling the truth pandering.
      He isn’t playing from the exact gamebook and that slander is really contemptible.
      Again, you people will say anything to slander a good man.

    • CottonBlimp

      For fuck’s sake, people are fucking starving in this country. Promising to do something to fix this broken system isn’t fucking pandering.

      Barney’s take on this is bullshit. He wants to blame everything on people that sat out in 2010? What about when voters swept Democrats into office in 2008 and Obama squandered that mandate? I would never sit out any election, nor would I ever encourage someone else to, but come on. You want liberal voters to stay loyal, how about you stop stabbing them in the fucking back?

      • OBAMA WAS A CENTRIST. HE CAMPAIGNED AS A CENTRIST AND HE PUSHED CENTRIST POLICIES. HE WAS NOT A PROGRESSIVE LIKE BERNIE WAS AND ONLY FOX NEWS VIEWERS AND NAIVE VOTERS (THE ONES WHO DIDN’T VOTE IN 2010) EXPECTED HIM TO BE A TRUE PROGRESSIVE. AND HE GAVE US THE ACA – THE BIGGEST PROGRESSIVE REFORM SINCE SOCIAL SECURITY! HOW IS THIS SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND?

        Erm. Um. Excuse me, I’m going to go with the nurse and lie down now.

        • Joseph Miceli

          “Change you can believe in.”
          Yes, maybe you should go have a lie down.

        • another_steve

          Thank you, BF. (I forgive the all-caps hysterics btw. Hysterics are part of the Gay Gene.)

          I want my Hillary girlfriend to remain centrist with an eensy-weensy bend to the left. That’s where most thinking Americans are today.

          You capture their votes, you win elections.

      • timncguy

        The dems only had a 60 seat Senate (required to kill off filibusters) for about 6 months because the republicans fought to keep Al Franken from being seated as long as possible and then a few months after Franken was finally seated, Ted Kennedy died.

        So, all the talk about the dems being in full control in 08 is BS.

        • Joseph Miceli

          Never bothered LBJ. Obama was always to afraid to get his hands dirty, unless a drone was doing it.
          Still, he has been a phenomenal president. Keeping us out of Great Depression Two is only one of his stellar accomplishments. I just feel he wasted way too much time trying to work with people that would as soon see him dead. Hell, FDR knew how to handle them.

      • Joseph Miceli

        Hallelujah!!!! Obama’s bullshit “bipartisan” outreach dismayed and disheartened a lot of voters who turned out to elect him to CHANGE the system.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Thanks for posting, Joseph. I think this is the first time I have seen this sentiment articulated “in print.”

          I’m not really agreeing or disagreeing with you, but I have been thinking about this for a while, and started to feel that some who either voted for Barry O., or who were too young to vote for him at the time, are feeling cheated now, or dismayed, disheartened, whatever.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Thank you. I may or may not be right, but it is certainly a valid argument to suggest that…after having voted for real change in ’08… the Dem base was dismayed to see that the “hope and change” they voted for was still coddling bankers and propping up Wall St. in 2010 and 2012. Dem’s don’t get it. You can’t keep shitting on your base and not get some kind of reaction at the polls.

      • tomfromthenews

        You love the word “fucking”, don’t you? Just an observation, bro.

        • CottonBlimp

          Not just the word. 😉

    • Carl

      Yeah, and it can’t be much of a “revolution” if it stops cold if one man doesn’t get a nomination. That sounds more like a cult of personality.

    • Jonathan

      You’re so full of shit. “from the same playbook as Trump” That’s the dumbest, most iidiotic diarrhea I’ve ever read but consider the asshole who wrote it.

      Really pathetic but having read your comments before, not in the least bit surprised.

      • JustSayin’

        really? dumb? both of their platforms are everything is broke, I am different, and only I can fix things by burning them down. same-same

      • another_steve

        Credit to you, hon, for using “shit” and “diarrhea” in the same insult.

        Best scatological JMG insult, year-to-date.

        • Derrick Johns

          LOL
          And I just had my first colonoscopy a couple of weeks ago. The procedure was a breeze–the night before preparation was a pain in the ….well

          • another_steve

            Glad it went well, Derrick. Assuming no polyps or other irregularities, most doctors recommend the procedure be repeated every ten years.

            I’m rather an expert, unfortunately, on the subject. There’s a high incidence of colorectal cancer in my family, so I and my sibling are on high alert.

          • Derrick Johns

            I wish the best of colon health for you and your family.
            As I said for JMG visitors who are still in their forties the procedure itself is fine. Of course, you’re under anesthesia. But that preparation to empty yourself out…well, it aint like going on a date (you’re sure of) in 1995. Those emptying out processes were fun!
            Good luck, Another_Steve

    • Alexodia

      Its making Hillary pretend shes a Progressive. So its had some impact more than just pandering to peoples irrationality.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    “I’m particularly unimpressed with people who sat out the Congressional elections of 2010 and 2014 and then are angry at Democrats because we haven’t been able to produce public policies they like. They contributed to the public policy problems and now they are blaming other people for their own failure to vote….”

    • Lumpy Gaga

      You realize that in sheer numbers we outnumber GOP voters in midterms, right?

      And that the problem is pretty much gerrymandering (or as they call it today, “re-districting”) done at the hands of GOP-controlled state legislators?

      • timncguy

        gerrymandering doesn’t effect the Senate or Governor’s races.

        • JustSayin’

          wrong! gerrymandering sets the entire voting districts in the state. That controls who gets the nominations and the votes up and down the line.

          • timncguy

            everyone in the state votes for Governor and for US Senate seats. There are no districts associated with those. Gerrymadering affects the US house races and the state legislature races.

          • JustSayin’

            The districts set who can vote, when and who the candidate is. and your last sentence is just as idiotic

          • timncguy

            I give up trying to explain it to you. Go read this
            http://www.answers.com/Q/Does_gerrymandering_affect_the_Senate

          • Corsair Tact

            That really only applies to apportioned seats, like the US House of Representatives and the state legislatures. The statewide races like US Senator, Governor, and other state officers aren’t affected by gerrymandering.

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      • AW

        Gerrymandering is a large part of it of course but also in the midterm elections Democrats are generally terrible at getting out the vote. That’s how you get large sweeping Republican control in the state elections. 2018 we Democrats NEED to get out the vote way better than we have been (assuming you better align with the Democrats than the Republicans).

      • JustSayin’

        having a majority is no help when they don’t go and vote.

      • Ernest Endevor

        No, it’s Democrats staying home because they can’t be bothered to vote.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        It’s partially to blame, but to say it’s solely gerrymandering is a tad disingenuous. The fact remains that midterm elections always has a larger conservative turnout than liberal turnout and yes, that’s a factor that can’t be dismissed. Apathy, laziness, call it what you will; the reality remains that many on the left prefer to sip their lattes while looking hipster and cool rather than “waste” their time in a polling station.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          “many on the left prefer to sip their lattes while looking hipster and cool rather than “waste” their time in a polling station”

          yep, and then bitch, bitch, bitch all up and down the real world and the interwebz about how ineffectual everything is!

        • Bill_Perdue

          Voters are not lazy, they’re tired of your BS.

          • sosotiredofbillperdue

            Oh sweetums. Did ya forget to take your pills this morning? Ya just gettin yourself all worked up again and pretty soon those men in the big white coats will put ya back in the padded room with the restraints. Ya know ya hate it in there. No internet and nobody to rant and rave at.

    • Bill_Perdue

      Voters are rejecting rightwingers like you and your Democrat/Dixiecrat and
      Republican allies in vast numbers. The jokes on you.

      ”PRINCETON, N.J. — In 2015, for the fifth consecutive year, at least four in 10 U.S. adults identified as political independents. The 42% identifying as independents in 2015 was down slightly from the record 43% in 2014. This elevated percentage of political independents leaves Democratic (29%) and Republican (26%) identification at or near recent low points, with the modest Democratic advantage roughly where it has been over the past five years.” http://www.gallup.com/poll/188096/democratic-republican-identification-near-historical-lows.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

      “Democratic turnout has fallen drastically since 2008, the last time the party had a contested primary, with roughly three million fewer Democrats voting in the 15 states that held caucuses or primaries through Tuesday, according to unofficial election results. It declined in virtually every state, dropping by roughly 50 percent in states like Minnesota and Texas. In Arkansas, Alabama, and Georgia, the number of Democrats voting decreased by roughly a third.”

      “The fall-off in Democratic primary turnout — which often reveals whether a candidate is exciting voters and attracting them to the polls — reached deeply into some of the core groups of voters Mrs. Clinton must not only win in November, but turn out in large numbers. It stands in sharp contrast to the flood of energized new voters showing up at the polls to vote for Donald J. Trump in the Republican contest.” http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clinton-voter-turnout.html?_r=0

    • DutchBoy74

      DWS didn’t exactly prop up quality candidates either. The democrats were incredibly weak in their messaging, almost non existent in the mid terms. Then they wonder why no one got out the vote?

      I voted in 2010 and 2014 democrat – and for that I regret some of that because a number of them ended up lying corporate whores that ran on a progressive platform, but they drank the corporate kool aid anyways.

      Then you had Obama flat out going against his own campaign. More NSA. More drones. Still warmongering in places we have no business in. More deportations. More cops playing wild west playing out their sicko Judge Dredd fantasy. More cronyism. More corruption. More bribes. More voter suppression. More punishment of whistle blowers. Less transparency.

      I’m glad I voted for Obama, and I’m thankful for the advances in LGBT rights. However at the end I’m more disappointed and angry at him and the democrats for not fighting enough, giving in, and giving up.

      It was enough to turn many off the brand. The DNC needs to take responsibility. The DNC needs to make it easier to vote – not just as a political football, but look at what we are seeing in the primary now! The DNC isn’t fighting for people’s access, they are actively hampering it!

      Then they have the gull to blast Republicans for their legislative shenanigans while turning a blind eye to their policy shenanigans. Closed voting. Caucuses. Limited hours. Cutoffs. Vote purging. Registration flipping. Then Frank, whom I respect, blames the voters?

      DNC needs to pull it’s head out it’s collective ass, take responsibility, make some changes and start fighting for the people again if it want’s the people’s support.

      • janey

        One other way that our votes don’t count. I saw, long time ago, but still a problem, Democrats who ran for the Senate, won their election and then almost immediately turned and joined the republican party. No one objected and they took their seats as republicans voted into office by democrats. This should not be allowed. I think we see a little of that now with Trump and Sanders.

  • Ninja0980

    Team Barney all the way.

  • it doesn’t matter which democrat gets elected, our political system is set up for perpetual gridlock. the important thing is to vote dem no matter who the nominee is, neither of them will be able to get chit done, but they will be able to limit the damage.

  • Gerry Fisher

    Barney’s stumping hard, and he’s always been a fierce debater. I have a hard time taking him too seriously, here, in terms of him telling “the truth.” It’s just hard campaigning, which is fine. I think the thing that disappoints me most about what he’s doing is that he seems to be conflating “getting Hillary elected” with “positioning the Democratic Party well for the future.” The path may go through Hillary, but she ain’t our future (I sure hope not, anyway).

    • Gene

      to each their own…but, remember, there are a LOT of democrats like me who think she has already gone just a bit TOO far to the left, and we aint going anywhere, or surrendering the party platform easily.
      She is not transitional

      • Joseph Miceli

        And then theirs one like me that thinks she hasn’t gone far enough. You are correct. She is not transitional.

  • Clungeflaps

    big surprise this silly old queen doesn’t like Bernie. Barney Frank is a creep.

    • ….seriously? A creep. Seriously?

      • Clungeflaps

        I thought calling him a creep was being generous…..if I were honest I would call him an uncle tom.

        • Oh fuck off. He’s been campaigning for gay rights since before I was born. Based on your writing style, probably you as well.

          • Clungeflaps

            Sorry you are butthurt by the truth. We do not need help from jerks like him. Talk about unwanted favors.

          • Lazycrockett

            You wouldn’t know the truth if you pulled its 2 foot dildo out of your ass.

          • Clungeflaps

            that sounds incredibly painful.

          • Michael Alden

            And here is the result of having a holier than thou Candidate that pushes away his natural allies as Barney frank described Bernie decades ago – voters that too push away their natural allies because they are holier than thou and think that anyone that disagrees with them are fundamentally corrupt. The spittle Bernie spat about Dems like George Clooney raising money for down ballot Dems with Clinton is more of the same demagoguery, Barney was right.

          • Clungeflaps

            I don’t want fake, wannabe DINOs like Barney as a ally.

          • Michael Alden

            Your name for a long time now botherd me since I kept reading it as c*ntflaps, so I checked and lo and behold clunge is a British slang word for vagina so I wasn’t far off lol. Just a funny observation.

          • JustSayin’

            you attachment to reality is as limited as those in the tea party and you are just as vile and obnoxious as they are with their lies.

    • Gene

      pot. kettle. black.

      • Clungeflaps

        I’m not a politician though.

        • That doesn’t preclude you from being a ‘silly old queen’ by any means.

          • Clungeflaps

            Says the dizzy headed Apple fanboy.

          • Xuuths

            Or a creep.

          • Dead Ronnie

            LOL! By the time I got to “preclude” I was laughing. You ARE very funny! You tell ’em Care…

  • Joseph Miceli

    I love Barnie Frank for some of the things he does, but then he pisses me off sometimes too. This is one of those times. Saying that Sen. Sanders doesn’t get things done denigrates Sen. Sanders real accomplishment: keeping the Progressive movement alive in Congress full of Republicans and the Bankster bought dems who collude with Republicans.
    Barney,at times, has been one of them.

    • Uh….whose name is part of the Dodd-Frank Act and actively tried to prevent Glass-Steagall from being repealed?

      • Joseph Miceli

        “Uh…”
        I think you meant “duh.” I believe my statement covered that. Go re-read it.
        Now, I’ll get back to shrilly defaming Hillary and saying how I’ll stay home if Bernie is elected….oh! That’s right! I don’t DO that, even though I support Bernie.
        I’ll leave the defaming to you.

    • JustSayin’

      Joseph, please list the legislation that Bernie has written and gotten passed in his years in Congress. It is a very short list. Supporting him is fine in the runups, but please don’t mistake liking what he says as being actual accomplishments in Congress.

  • Treant

    Barney, meet bus. Bus, Barney.

  • bill weber

    Barney Frank sounds just a little like Party Hack…

  • Unholy FSM, what is with all the trolls today? If you’re trashing Barney Frank solely because he’s campaigning against Bernie, you clearly don’t remember your gay history. Or your congressional history.

    It’s possible to disagree with him without making personal attacks, people.

    • Ninja0980

      It’s the Tea Party left, simple as that.
      Anyone who doesn’t fully support Bernie is a DINO.

      • Treant

        Strangely, I had to sit down and think about whether I was, perhaps, more economically and governmentally conservative than I had thought.

        It turns out that no, I’m really not, I’m merely not a fan of Blowing Shit Up with the faint promise that it’ll be better after we do that. In my experience, that’s never true…shit just Got Blown Up, and it always costs a fortune to fix. And it’s rarely fixed any better than it worked before.

        • Agreed. I would love to have Bernie’s socialism here. There’s a lot in his policies I like. But his campaign has been atrocious, and he simply has not engaged in any issues that aren’t income inequality.

          • Treant

            Agreed right back at you. Give me those ideas wrapped in a coherent speech with good experience and some foreign affairs chops, and you’ve got me. The Maddow interview showed that again. He can’t stay on topic, he doesn’t care about anything outside of a very few issues (plus it shows), and he doesn’t accept any responsibility for what’s spewing from his campaign.

            He doesn’t do process…and the President absolutely has to do process.

          • Daisy

            I know someone who calls Hillary a Republican, and continues to ignore her actual positions. Btw, this girl was economically conservative last year, and I was the liberal all the way down. She also claims to be socially liberal, but ended her relationship because the guy was bisexual. She graduated before me, but is my age.

          • Treant

            I don’t think the Republicans have been that liberal since even before the Great Party Shift. By her voting record, she’s somewhat left of Obama.

            It’s weird, but the ones who claim to be socially liberal are always the least socially liberal out there. 🙂

          • It’s something of a case of LOOKIT ME LOOKIT ME

          • Daisy

            With her, definitely. Drama to the max, all of the time.

          • Sounds like a friend of mine who basically treated me as a replacement for another gay friend who’d moved away and stopped wanting to hang out as soon as he moved back.

          • Daisy

            Lovely. Reminds me why I don’t like people very much these days. Admittedly, I feel a bit isolated right now, because most people my age (who are somewhat liberal ) support Bernie, and I favorite Hillary. I plan on supporting whoever gets the Democratic nomination.

          • Agreed!

          • Phillip in L.A.

            That’s messed up, BrotherFlounder! What a friend!

          • Daisy

            She was so loud. Also, conservative millennials exist (or whatever generation is after, mine is a boundary one) , because I know a girl (same class ) who actively wanted Jeb Bush as president. And thinks socialism is awful in every way. Granted, I live in the Central Valley.

          • JustSayin’

            Daisy,

            What is taught as “socialism” in America is not the same in different countries. In many conservative homes and areas people who were alive in the 40;s and 50’s for their family what socialism means, and that has a negative effect folks like Bernie claim to be a socialist. He might be better described as an Americanized Socialist which can be much different than a European Socialist.

            It is a facet of the same phenomenon that had so many people mistakenly believe that Obama is a far left liberal. He never was and never said he was. He is a Left, slightly center right, democrat. His views on the constitution, war, economics,etc never aligned with what the far left expected even though he told them the truth from jump street.

            Bernie is in a similar situation.

          • Cripes, that’s…..oy. Frustrating.

            On more important matters, is the guy single and cute?

          • Daisy

            Don’t know, honestly. I never met him, but people just talk about stuff right in front of me. I pick up a shocking amount of information by that method.

        • JustSayin’

          Treant,

          I think that many people who on the left or towards the far left would benefit from sitting down and making a list of what they think is wrong with government, and write a actual plan that would accomplish that without going off the edge as defined by the current landscape.

          Then they need to look at their plan and assess which of the eventual candidates will get closest to their ideas. then they need to actively promote that candidate instead of doing what Liberals have done for decades, and that is sulk and stay home from the elections. Particularly the mid-terms when fewer people vote as it is usually dominated by old white people who vote conservative.

          It is easy to dismiss the current reality when all that you go by is
          bumper-sticker political slogans. Harder when you have to craft the actual plan
          and financing to get there. Both the teabaggers and the extreme left
          fail to recognize that reality.

          For the left an example is a mandatory jump straight into a 15 dollar an hour minimum wage. Sounds great right?
          what many fail to understand is that the higher minimum wage goes, the higher local costs will rise, its a pure economics thing. That 5 or 6 hundred dollar a month rent will soon become 900 or 1000 as landlords raise rents to what the local market can accommodate.

          Another aspect is what happens to government subsidies like Section 8 and WIC / SNAP etc.

          SNAP for a single person eligibility is typically based on 133% of poverty level, which current poverty level is about 13k for one person no kids. at a minimum wage of 7.25 x 40 hours x 52 weeks, that person makes $15,008.00 pre tax. At 15 an hour they make $31,200.00 pre tax.

          133% 0f $13,000.00 is $17,290 and the minimum wage worker is well within that at $7.25, at $15 they make 16k too much. It sounds easy to say they will not need SNAP in that case, but 75% minimum wage jobs work 20 hours or less a week which is about $15,600.00 pretax so the SNAP expenditures do not go away in any large form even at 15 an hour.

          Section 8 is even worse. The average Sec. 8 payment nationally is $1000 a month or 12k a year. Poverty level for a single parent with one child is about $15 K and at 133% it is $19,950 at $15 an hour full time every Sec 8 recipient would lose their 12 K a year.

          Conversely, if we raised the thresholds to the $15 an hour rate that same single mother could earn $31 K a year, plus $12 k in rent subsidies, and be eligible for WIC or SNAP or possible both at different times. AT this level that person could be getting $42 K PLUS in salary and tax payer provided benefits.

          Nationally the median income for working 40 hours is about $58 K, and these are skilled jobs. Here in Louisiana the median income is $32 K and most of the lower south is similar. A single mother would literally be better off financially working at a $15 an hour full time job in that circumstance.

          Plans and slogans sound good, until you get to the nuts and bolts, and too many people refuse to actually address the realities of their favorite slogan.

          just food for thought

        • Daisy

          I did the same, because I couldn’t figure out why I didn’t like Bernie.

          • Treant

            Well, I could give you my list, but… It was more that, like guy or not, I still couldn’t get behind his ideas (I can roundly approve of his ideas and still not vote for him due to distrust, so that’s not really a problem). It turns out that much like Just Sayin’ said, the math just didn’t work out.

        • Ninja0980

          Indeed and in many cases, what rises from the ashes when things get blown up is a far right government, Germany one example of that.

    • Lazycrockett

      Guess they don’t want that legalized weed that Barney was trying to push through congress.

    • Clungeflaps

      I love how you equate people disagreeing with you, with “Waaah you iz a troal!!!1111”

      • Calling him an “uncle tom” is either trolling or a personal attack.

        • Clungeflaps

          No, I think it’s pretty accurate.

    • Bill_Perdue

      Does that indicate your acceptance of his bigoted attacks on Trans people?

      • sosotiredofbillperdue

        Hon. I see ya makin all kinds of new friends here today.

  • 2karmanot

    Oh please, Barney has been a party apparatchik so long he can’t even spell liberal.

    • bill weber

      Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamen.

    • JustSayin’

      whaaaaaaa

  • fiizok

    I agree with Sanders on far more of the issues than I do with Clinton, but there is little doubt that she will be the Democratic candidate and I will have no problem voting for her. I’m also getting REALLY TIRED of Democrats verbally hurling feces at each other; it’s not helpful in the least.

    • JustSayin’

      fiizok, that is a mature and reasonable attitude and response. No candidate is perfect and not everyone will like them, but once the party nomination is in, Democrats need to stop the complaining and sandbagging and get behind the candidate if they actually want to oust the extremists currently controlling congress.

    • Joseph Miceli

      At all! I am so tired of this. I still enjoy the comments and the people here on JMG, but when it gets down to the name calling and the lunacy between the Hillary/Bernie supporters….I just want to slap everyone! Save it for the enemy! We are all brothers and sisters, especially with North Carolina and Mississippi’s new “laws.”

    • DutchBoy74

      You are seeing the fracture of the Old Guard democrats and the New Progressives within the party.

  • Stev84

    Primary votes aren’t always particularly fair either, as few people vote in them.

    • timncguy

      But, that is their choice. At least they can vote in a primary if they want to

  • JustSayin’

    way to Barney! right on topic and on target!

  • That’s right Barney. Bernie Sanders invented the caucus just to get under your skin so you could get an extra minute or two after your 15 were up long, long, long ago. He’s the one in congress now recognized as the angry old white guy — if you’d wanted to hang onto that award you shouldn’t have retired.

    And you’re also correct about how annoying it is to hear the Hillary Hos constantly threatening to hand the Republic over to the totalitarian fascists or the theocratic fascists because she didn’t get the nomination. Some days it seems like Kevin DuJan has multiplied exponentially and taken over the Democratic blogosphere.

    The DNC finally told the states that had both a primary and a caucus to choose between primary or caucus — one or the other and they did. Some states chose primary, others chose caucus. Bitching at and about a candidate isn’t going to get the oldest form of direct democracy killed off unless and until the DNC wants it dead. People make time for what’s important to them.

    And, yes, the American People do blame the folks in Congress for not getting things done no matter how hard it is for folks in Congress to get things done because THAT is exactly what the American People are paying you louts to do.

    • Joseph Miceli

      Stogiebear for Congress!!!!!!!!

    • Robert Conner

      Agreed! However…comparing louts to the tapeworms in Congress is a gratuitous insult to louts.

  • Clungeflaps

    I love how a moderate republican position, something Barney espouses, now means ‘far-left’.

  • Steven Leahy

    Seriously, Frank, you’re blaming Sanders for the outright mess that is our political system? People aren’t allowed to have an issue with it? Sanders is a result of it, not its cause. Maybe you’re defensive and pissy because you’re more part of that paradigm than you want to acknowledge.

    • Joseph Miceli

      Barney does love him some banks. Tell me: does Frank Dodd go as far as Glass-Steagal in preventing banks from using deposits to play roulette with the stock market? If not, then I don’t see the point of it.

  • CQCQCQ

    Up with Barney. Down with Bernie. Maybe Hillary will pick Barney as her running mate. Either him or Al Franken would be awesome.

    • Clungeflaps

      If that happens I’m definitely voting 3rd party.

    • Steven Leahy

      Umm no. I am sure Barney Frank will be a big hit in all those red southern and crossover states Hillary bragged about winning, Lol. He’ll go over like a lead balloon. We want HRC to actually have a chance in hell of winning if she’s nominated, right?

    • Treant

      Doubtful on both. Franken’s past as a comedian makes it a little too easy to mine his work for quotes. Frank is too old (and even I don’t think that America’s ready for an openly gay VP just yet).

      I think she’ll choose somebody younger, from a swing or potential swing state.

    • Corsair Tact

      Either of these is an ideal Veep choice:

    • Michael Alden

      I don’t know about Barney, but Al Franken ain’t bad. I was on the Castro bandwagon early but really it’s up to her to decide. Other options I’ve seen elsewhere are Labor Sec Tom Perez and Tim Kaine.

  • Carl

    Bernie or bust people have shown that they can take over a comment section like nobody’s business but I don’t know if they’re a significant threat to Democratsee this November. I get the impression that they’re the kind of folk who have more free time than most.

    • Man_in_the_mists

      Bernie or bust people have shown that they can take over a comment section like nobody’s business…

      *Looks at the thread, which is mostly Clinton supporters bashing Bernie supporters*

      AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      • Carl

        I have no problem with people voting Bernie. Good for you. If Bernie gets the nom, I’ll back him. It’s the “Bernie or the world burns” people I single out for derision.

  • TerryInIowa

    Above, he says that caucuses cater to those who have a lot of spare time. I don’t know how he figures that. At least here in Iowa, we met at the caucus location, got checked in, did our thing and everyone went home two hours later, job done. I’ve heard about people standing in line for eight hours to vote in primaries.

    • Xuuths

      I do not know if your experience was typical all over Iowa. It most definitely is not the case in other states where they caucus. In a caucus, you cannot vote early (although it appears that one state allows a kind of proxy) or by mail, so you have to have that day — unlike most primaries.

      • Steven Leahy

        In Nebraska you can vote early/absentee. Half of Hillary’s caucus votes here were absentee ballot.

        • Xuuths

          The exception rather than the rule.

    • ErikDC

      2 hours is about 1 hour and 45 minutes LONGER than it ever takes me to vote and I live in a heavily populated DC suburb. Having to spend 2 hours to vote is ridiculous.

      • Plus, what if you work during the caucus, particularly for a big chain, and you can’t take the time off?

        • ErikDC

          Great point. With a primary you typically get a 12 hour window. A caucus is a specific time. You have to show up at a specific hour. If you have a conflict, you’re screwed.

        • Crimminy

          In Washington state, if you can’t show up to the caucus because of work/disability/etc, you can vote by mailing in a “Surrogate Affidavit” form.

      • Treant

        From parking to voting to returning to the car, that’s also true for me. Wait times have been a maximum of about three minutes at my polling place.

        I wouldn’t do a caucus; I hate crowds, I don’t care to be lectured at (I already made up my mind before I walked in, thanks), and I don’t like watching group think in action.

        • That’s another thing about the caucuses I dislike in theory, but would want to see in action before I rail against it.

  • ErikDC

    For 25 years in Congress Bernie Sanders has refused to work with others, accomplishing nothing. I don’t know why folks think if we make him President he is going to change his behavior. A President Sanders will continue to give angry speeches and because he’ll refuse to compromise, nothing will get done.

    • Clungeflaps

      Whereas Hillary has promised that she will do nothing at all if elected.

      • Xuuths

        Um, no.

        • Clungeflaps

          Yes, she has said this. Besides, the house and senate are projected to go blue, so bernie will be able to get plenty done. Your line of attack fails.

          • Xuuths

            Do provide a link for that quote.

          • Clungeflaps

            you can do your own research. i need to get paid if I’m to be your assistant.

          • Corsair Tact

          • Xuuths

            I presumed you were lying, and now you’re proving it. (HINT: when you make an outrageous claim, you have the responsibility to provide the evidence for it, or retract it. Or be labelled a troll.)

          • TuuxKabin

            Cflaps’ standard paste answer is “you can do your own research . . . “

          • Xuuths

            I understand. People who pull ‘quotes’ out of their rectums always make similar statements.

          • TominDC

            > the house and senate are projected to go blue

            Yeah, no.

            No one credible has publicly opined that the democrats have a better-than-even chance of gaining a majority in the house of reps.

          • Clungeflaps

            Well you Hillbots constantly name drop Nate Sliver as being credible even though he’s shown himself not to be.

          • TominDC

            Hillbot? Moi? I prefer Sanders over Clinton on just about every political position.

            Not backing up crazy statements… are you sure you wouldn’t be more comfortable with Trump?

          • Clungeflaps

            Well, he is incredibly entertaining, I will say that.

          • TominDC

            So that’s a “no” then?

            On ANY reliable person who’s publicly proclaimed that, to quote you, “the house and senate are projected to go blue”?

          • Clungeflaps

            I’ve said many times that if it’s Hillary, I’m voting 3rd party.

          • TominDC

            So?

            That has nothing to do at all with your claim that the Democrats are “projected to win both the house and senate.”

          • ErikDC

            Except Democrats controlled Congress for a third of the time Bernie has been there and he still didn’t advance any major legislation. That’s why he’s a fresh face to most voters despite having been in Congress for a QUARTER CENTURY. He was a do nothing Congressman and is a do nothing Senator.

          • Clungeflaps

            He’s done a lot more than Hillary. Why don’t you bring up this magic list of everything your beloved Evita has accomplished?

            I’ve known about Bernie since the 90s, most people have. Maybe you are just a very uninformed person, whose main news source is TMZ.

          • ErikDC

            Along with Chuck Schumer, as the junior Senator from New York Clinton got the federal government to pick up the tab and pay for the health care costs for the 9/11 first responders. Who now have a lifetime of health problems due to exposure they received at Ground Zero.

            As First Lady, Clinton was instrumental in the passage of the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), which provides health insurance to millions of lower income children.

            Those are two REAL accomplishments that have made a big difference to countless people.

          • Clungeflaps

            Most people in New York can’t stand her, and think she’s a carpetbagger.

            Also those 2 things you listed sound pretty insignificant, and symbolic. Especially now that ACA is law of the land.

          • Corsair Tact

            NEITHER of these programs are or were insignificant. You know that, I know that, Bob Dole knows that. Jesus Fucking Christ on a Goddam Cracker! Enough already!

          • ErikDC

            You are ignorant. CHIP still covers millions of kids every year.

            Why don’t you read up on it a little bit, so that next time you know what you are talking about.

            https://www.healthcare.gov/medicaid-chip/childrens-health-insurance-program/

            http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-chip-childrens-health-insurance-program/

          • Clungeflaps

            No that’s OK, I can’t be bothered.

            You are just another diva-obsessed gay man that’s style over substance, and wants to vote for Madonna/Evita rather than someone with a brain.

          • ErikDC

            If that were true, I wouldn’t have voted for Obama in the 2008 Democratic primary.

          • Clungeflaps

            Oh, so you would have went for McCain then?

            I wish Obama could run for a 3rd term, I’d happily vote for him. I think he’s great. Whereas Hillary is a Margaret Thatcher manque.

          • ErikDC

            McCain?

            LOL.

          • Clungeflaps

            I think its pretty likely she would have lost to McCain if she got the nomination. Which actually could have been a blessing in disguise, because we wouldn’t have to deal with her again in the present day.

          • JustSayin’

            so you know most of the people in New York? City or State? there is an 11 million person difference, though Knowing what 8 million people think is a pretty huge achievement….illusory but an achievement

          • danolgb

            CF is a troll who thinks no one in CA will vote for her either. But even in SF, the polls say otherwise.
            http://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/Clinton-burns-Sanders-in-poll-of-SF-s-Democrats-7122538.php

          • Clungeflaps

            The Chron is about as credible as World News Daily. If you lived in SF you would know that. And nobody here has Hillary stickers, I’ve only seen Bernie ones here.

          • danolgb

            Of course you’d ignore anything you don’t agree with. Also stickers is not a scientific study. It just means you’re stupid enough to mar up your car with trash.

          • Clungeflaps

            Anything from the Chron certainly is not a scientific study either.

          • danolgb

            Yeah.. real newspapers compared to your idiot USUNCUT, right? You can only deal with news that supports your delusions.

          • Clungeflaps

            Nobody that lives in SF would consider the Chron to be a real newspaper.

          • danolgb

            You’re just proving yourself to be the idiot you are.

          • Clungeflaps

            If you are gonna quote the Chron, that means you must take World Net Daily seriously too.

          • danolgb

            Whatever, don’t you have a bridge to crawl under?

          • JustSayin’

            name the legislation he has successfully authored and gotten passed…..tick tock…..

          • Clungeflaps

            Name the legislation Hillary has authored. I’m waiting…..

          • JustSayin’

            projected is not reality, and when the Bernie supporters don’t show up and vote for Hillary you can blame your ilk for that loss.

          • Clungeflaps

            If Hillary loses to Trump I’ll laugh my butt off.

          • Clungeflaps

            Well you Hillbots treat every Nate Silver projection as reality, despite him being way off the mark multiple times this election cycle.

        • Clungeflaps

          OK, you got me, let me revise. She has promised to invade Iran if elected. Satisfied now?

  • doug van boven

    If a Republican candidate wins the general it will clearly be the fault of the Hillary Hoes and their love for war, fracking, and income disparity. She came into this election w/ “it belongs to me” attitude because Goldwater din’t win, Bill has cheated on me, and Obama stole my candidacy in 2008, and oh yeah, I have a vagina and glass ceilings etc.

    • Gustav2

      So you are a “no” for Clinton in the general?

      • doug van boven

        as far as I remember we still have secret ballot, no?

        • Gustav2

          Hillary has a mini-drone to follow you into the voting booth. 😉

        • Xuuths

          Not when you caucus you don’t.

          • doug van boven

            I believe the question was regarding the general.

    • Lazycrockett

      Nice slut shaming you got going there frat boy date raper.

      • doug van boven

        not sure where the slut shaming is unless you’re referring to Bill.

    • Clungeflaps

      I’ve never understood why people think why Hillary is some ‘strong independent woman that don’t need no man’, when not only did she stay with Bill after the Lewinsky shenanigans, she also mercilessly hounded the women that sued Bill that he had affairs with. Imagine if Obama pulled the same crap Bill Clinton did.

      • doug van boven

        stand by my man

  • Steven Leahy

    Lol Joe you just HAD to post this, didn’t you ???

    • Gustav2

      #ClicksMatter

    • Clungeflaps

      Oh, he’s probably making really good money during election years.

      • TuuxKabin

        As well he should.

        • Clungeflaps

          Work ain’t honest but it pays the bills.

          • TuuxKabin

            For the first time I think you know, from experience, what you’re talking about.

          • Corsair Tact

            Once again, I bow to your wisdom!

          • TuuxKabin

            Well you and others have been an inspirational sorta thing, for which I have much appreciation. And thanks. It’s a two way thread.

          • Clungeflaps

            Sick burn bro.

          • TuuxKabin

            It’s a two way tweet bro.

  • Robert Conner

    Love it when rabbis fight!

    Caucuses–from whence we get “Caucasian” if I remember correctly–are not what fucked America in her fat ass. The year America officially lost its collective mind for good was 1981 when the voters elected a stupid B actor with early Alzheimers. America’s newest inflatable date opened the door to racists–he kicked off his campaign in Mississippi, down the road from where civil rights workers had been murdered–and then invited the Christofascist Right into the tent in the person of segregationist fat fuck Jerry Falwell. Arms deals with Iran, the invasion of several small Central American countries, ‘trickle-down’ economics and perpetual war footing followed as Ronnie sank ever deeper into terminal dementia.

    The eight years of Reaganism moved America so far to the right that every president since has been a species of Republican. Witness Bill Clinton who brought China into the WTO, signed off on unconstitutional bills like DADT and DOMA, and presided over an economic bubble that appears to have ushered in a permanent boom and bust economy nationally.

    • Corsair Tact

      Caucasian refers to the region of the Caucasus mountains, and was originally coined by a 19th century anthropologist who believed that the origin of the “white” race was in that area.

      As for Caucus as a political event… According to the Random House dictionary:

      1755-65, Americanism; apparently first used in the name of the Caucus Club of colonial Boston; perhaps < Medieval Latin caucus drinking vessel, Late Latin caucum < Greek kaûkos; alleged Virginia Algonquian orig. less probable

      • Xuuths

        Excellent.

      • LAguy323

        “the origin of the “white” race was in that area.”
        Originated from what? a monkey? a spaceship from another galaxy? where?

        • Corsair Tact

          Coined by German anthropologist Johann Friedrich Blumenbach at the turn of the 19th century, the racial classification Caucasian has sparked plenty of debate in its short time in the English language. First there’s the issue of Blumenbach’s mistaken etymology: he erroneously placed the origins of the “White” race in the Caucasus mountain region. He also, not at all humbly, knocked his predecessor, Carl Linnaeus, for his singular method of studying teeth to determine race, calling it “artificial” and asserting that it “came every day to be encumbered with more troublesome anomalies.” Blumenbach, on the other hand, emphasized the importance of studying the entire skull to understand the quandary that is race.

          When anthropologists first started studying race, white supremacy was popularly accepted. Blumenbach was, at least, a bit more progressive than his contemporaries, in that he believed that all men belonged to the same species, even if he considered the Caucasian race—his own race—to be the original type and the “most handsome and becoming” of all five races ( Caucasian, Mongolian, Ethiopian, Malayan, and American) in his now outdated classification.

          The language of race is undeniably a sensitive issue. Words that were once perfectly acceptable become dated and offensive. In his book The Rise and Fall of the Caucasian Race, Bruce David Baum notes: “[T]he notion of a Caucasian race has gone in and out of vogue…in popular usage since it was invented in the late eighteenth century.” In a 2008 speech Hillary Clinton used the term “Caucasian”; however, the writers of the 2010 U.S. Census form opted to use the term “White” over “Caucasian” in the question about race. For most Americans, the terms are interchangeable.

          From: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/caucasian

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Thx for the interesting and informative posts, Corsair Tact!

          • Corsair Tact

            Aye matey! Always a pleasure!

          • Robert Conner

            Little did I know that an oblique piece of snark would trigger a etymology lecture that registers 8.5 on the Richter scale. We know you’re well informed, but you may be overthinking this a bit.

          • Corsair Tact

            Copy and paste is easy.

      • Robert Conner

        Sorry, should have marked it as “snark” for those who are sarcasm challenged. Could have saved you all that googling. My apologies. Won’t happen again. Promise.

        • Corsair Tact

          LOL! Thanks! Actually I’ve wondered about that word for some time and why it means “white.” I posted the full story just below…

  • I will never blame a person for facing political reality. Politics is a skill set. Understanding and utilizing those skills is nothing to do with ideology or morals, any more than mechanical engineering or surgery is ideological or moral. This is why everyone should study the lives of great, skilled politicians like Lincoln and FDR and Lyndon Johnson. To see how it works. To understand leverage and consensus.

    • Corsair Tact

      Very well said.

    • Carl

      Agreed. If you take the science out of the social sciences, all you have left is basically religion.

    • Helen Damnation ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      And since the beginning of the internet and now the age of “instant” social media, politics became much, MUCH more difficult to manage.

  • TheSeer

    “They cater to the people who have a lot of time on their hands”

    Like Birdie’s slackers, moochers and freeloaders. Now wonder they want socialism so passionately.

    • Clungeflaps

      Please, like you Hillary voter have any work ethic whatsoever. Most of the pro Hillary people are from red states, who are overall moochers from people like me.

  • As much as I get into tiffs with EMOProgs, (I am a surrender monkey to them) and I agree with Barney Frank, there is one thing he should point out, Barney Frank’s sister is Ann Lewis (nee Frank) who is a big friend of Hillary, besides Campaign manager for 1996 Clinton Re election campaign. He is most likely acting as a surrogate for the Clinton Campaign..

    • Xuuths

      Riiiiight. Because Barney Frank doesn’t have his own opinions, and is only a mouthpiece for someone else’s political ambitions.

      Sorry, but it is clear that you don’t know Barney Frank very well, or you wouldn’t suggest anything remotely like that.

  • Hank

    I do not care who you support, all I can say is that I MISS Barney Frank in Congress!!! He was a phenomenal representative for ALL of us and tells it like it is!! I met him and his husband a couple of years ago on a flight from Portland, ME to DC. He was just the same as on his interviews.

  • Jim

    OK, Barney, but what EXACTLY did Hillary accomplish during her 8 years in the senate? Cite ten accomplishments.

    • another_steve

      No individual Democrat could accomplish much in a Congress controlled by the Republican monsters. You know that, yet you conveniently omit that inconvenient truth.

      Bernie Sanders is a well-intentioned ideologue. Hillary Clinton has experience on the world stage.

      Apples and oranges.

  • Michael Rush
  • NancyP

    Barney’s right. Caucuses do under-represent the busiest people, usually gainfully employed or a parent or a caretaker of a sick / demented adult. It’s a whole lot easier to cope with multiple demands on time if you can take 15 minutes out of your day to vote, rather than 3 hours or more.

  • 2karmanot

    Oh please…Barney has been an establishment apparatchik so long he wouldn’t recognize genuine democracy if it flashed him.

  • sword

    The Repugs constantly talk about the fact that Obama has not been able get much accomplished as he promised. So have some of the Bernies. They always skip the fact that the Far-Right has blocked most of Obama’s attempts. If Sanders wants to get to the Promised Land, he is going to have to eject most of the Republican Congress. The Republicans got there by getting their people into state and Federal Offices first. Bernie seems to think that the vast majority of Americans are Leftist-Socialists and when he gets elected he will only have to keep his ink well filled for all of the legislation that he will get passed.
    He talks the same talk as The Donald…”Elect me President and I will do all of these great things…just don’t ask me how I get them done!”

  • JCF

    FEEL THE BARN!!!

  • OculusVeritas

    Sorry Barney, but both of you are corporate democrats like Clinton.

    The problem with the bill, is that it is not fully functional. I just got a petition on that very issue. The congress has been negligent and have not completed their obligation to the American public.

    It was the combination of the ‘savings banks’ with the commercial banks that collapsed the banking system.

    The fact is, that although there is a repair to the banking system via the Dodd-Frank bill, it is lacking enforcement to the degree it is capable.

    >>>>>Petition: Regulators: Finish Dodd-Frank before the end of 2016

    https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/finish-dodd-frank-before-the-end-of-2016?source=20160331moveon

    Christopher Dodd left the scene of the crime.

    • Johnson

      Just remember who originally put the Clintons in the White House: The WALTON Family of WALMART! And who grew into a Multibillion Giant during their tenure? WALMART! If you support this, good on You: Vote for Hillary. The WALMART Candidate, bought and paid for by the WALTONS.

      • OculusVeritas

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  • OculusVeritas

    Barney Frank is not telling it all.

    Read this petition…..The bill’s enforcers have been dragging their feet.

    https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/finish-dodd-frank-before-the-end-of-2016?source=20160331moveon

  • Have fun dancing at your next Human Rights Campaign ball, you bitchy shill.

  • #FeelTheBARN?

  • Bill_Perdue

    Frank has always been a Quisling.

  • “I’m particularly unimpressed with people who sat out the Congressional elections of 2010 and 2014 and then are angry at Democrats because we haven’t been able to produce public policies they like.”

    They don’t impress me either, Mr. F. It’s a classic lament: “Democrats only vote every four years. Republicans vote every two years.”

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    • Phillip in L.A.

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  • Ohemgee! How much do I love Barney! Every once in a while I go on youtube and listen to him and I feel comforted.