Hillary Clinton Issues Second And Lengthy “Reagans & AIDS” Apology: I Made A Mistake, Plain And Simple

HIV/AIDS activists were far from satisfied by the one-line apology issued yesterday afternoon by Hillary Clinton after she made the astoundingly ahistorical claim that Nancy Reagan’s “low-key advocacy” had spurred advances against the virus. Tonight Clinton issued a second and quite lengthy statement. Below is her message in full:

Yesterday, at Nancy Reagan’s funeral, I said something inaccurate when speaking about the Reagans’ record on HIV and AIDS. Since then, I’ve heard from countless people who were devastated by the loss of friends and loved ones, and hurt and disappointed by what I said. As someone who has also lost friends and loved ones to AIDS, I understand why. I made a mistake, plain and simple.

I want to use this opportunity to talk not only about where we’ve come from, but where we must go in the fight against HIV and AIDS.

To be clear, the Reagans did not start a national conversation about HIV and AIDS. That distinction belongs to generations of brave lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people, along with straight allies, who started not just a conversation but a movement that continues to this day.

The AIDS crisis in America began as a quiet, deadly epidemic. Because of discrimination and disregard, it remained that way for far too long. When many in positions of power turned a blind eye, it was groups like ACT UP, Gay Men’s Health Crisis and others that came forward to shatter the silence — because as they reminded us again and again, Silence = Death.

They organized and marched, held die-ins on the steps of city halls and vigils in the streets. They fought alongside a few courageous voices in Washington, like U.S. Representative Henry Waxman, who spoke out from the floor of Congress. Then there were all the people whose names we don’t often hear today — the unsung heroes who fought on the front lines of the crisis, from hospital wards and bedsides, some with their last breath.

Slowly, too slowly, ignorance was crowded out by information. People who had once closed their eyes opened their hearts. If not for those advocates, activists, and ordinary, heroic people, we would not be where we are in preventing and treating HIV and AIDS. Their courage — and their refusal to accept silence as the status quo — saved lives.

We’ve come a long way. But we still have work to do to eradicate this disease for good and to erase the stigma that is an echo of a shameful and painful period in our country’s history. This issue matters to me deeply. And I’ve always tried to do my part in the fight against this disease, and the stigma and pain that accompanies it. At the 1992 Democratic National Convention, when my husband accepted the nomination for president, we marked a break with the past by having two HIV-positive speakers — the first time that ever happened at a national convention.

As First Lady, I brought together world leaders to strategize and coordinate efforts to take on HIV and AIDS around the world. In the Senate, I put forward legislation to expand global AIDS research and assistance and to increase prevention and education, and I proudly voted for the creation of PEPFAR and to defend and protect the Ryan White Act. And as secretary of state, I launched a campaign to usher in an AIDS-free generation through prevention and treatment, targeting the populations at greatest risk of contracting HIV.

The AIDS crisis looks very different today. There are more options for treatment and prevention than ever before. More people with HIV are leading full and happy lives. But HIV and AIDS are still with us. They continue to disproportionately impact communities of color, transgender people, young people and gay and bisexual men. There are still 1.2 million people living with HIV in the United States today, with about 50,000 people newly diagnosed each year. In Sub-Saharan Africa, almost 60 percent of people with HIV are women and girls. Even though the tools exist to end this epidemic once and for all, there are still far too many people dying today.

That is absolutely inexcusable.

I believe there’s even more we can — and must — do together. For starters, let’s continue to increase HIV and AIDS research and invest in the promising innovations that research is producing. Medications like PrEP are proving effective in preventing HIV infection; we should expand access to that drug for everyone, including at-risk populations. We should call on Republican governors to put people’s health and well-being ahead of politics and extend Medicaid, which would provide health care to those with HIV and AIDS.

We should call on states to reform outdated and stigmatizing HIV criminalization laws. We should increase global funding for HIV and AIDS prevention and treatment. And we should cap out-of-pocket expenses and drug costs—and hold companies like Turing and Valeant accountable when they attempt to gouge patients by jacking up the price of lifesaving medications.

We’re still surrounded by memories of loved ones lost and lives cut short. But we’re also surrounded by survivors who are fighting harder than ever.

We owe it to them and to future generations to continue that fight together. For the first time, an AIDS-free generation is in sight. As president, I promise you that I will not let up until we reach that goal. We will not leave anyone behind.

  • Lazycrockett

    and that is why I like the old broad.

    • Reality.Bites

      And why I despise the old dead one.

      • unsavedheathen

        Rest in pieces, bitch.

  • Steven Leahy

    Much better. Thank you. And fairly quick, too.

  • Mister Don

    “and who’s the Vice President?”
    “Nancy Reagan”

  • ChrisInKansas

    Can you imagine Trump or his people issuing something as decent as this – and with this vocabulary?

    • Steven Leahy

      I am Sanders supporter and while I have my issues with Hillary, this was an exceptionally classy move. She could have just let it fly, and she didn’t. I thank her for that.

      • Joe knows who I am.

        I agree. As a Bernie supporter too, I forgave her for this yesterday when she first apologized. I thought then that she’d made a genuine mistake.

        I appreciate the recognition of the ones we’ve lost and the ones who’ve been on the front lines fighting. Most of all, I appreciate that finally, after decades, we have the Reagan’s, and their cohorts, negligence out among the public forum instead of just in our minority community.

        Some might suggest that it was a calculated move on her part, and whether it was or wasn’t doesn’t matter to me. She pushed it in the faces of everyone who would deny their callous disregard for the people we loved and lost. For that, I give her props. It may not mean much coming from me, but I’m only here anyway for the ones who can’t be and I did appreciate it.

        • Steven Leahy

          well said.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            Thanks. Yesterday I was hurting so admittedly I got a bit dickish. Memories do that though. 😉

          • Joe

            Nope. Don’t buy it. The clarity and confidence that she spoke of Nancy’s (non) advocacy was clear to me. Her terse 30 word apology was inadequate. Then she says she was ‘inaccurate’. Again, sterile and perfunctory. And THEN she goes on and tries to give a history lesson on AIDS? HIV. We’re not the one who needs to learn, SHE does. Any way the wind blows.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            I don’t have to buy anything. It still doesn’t change the fact that she outed the Reagan’s negligence. That is not debatable. It’s a simple fact. Lemons/lemonade.

          • Jeffrey

            You are probably someone for whom no apology would be sufficient. So why bother. Done.

          • scottrose

            I remain uncommitted, but she did lay out an intention to advance the fight against HIV worldwide.

            It’s hard to imagine a President Clinton vetoing a bill to increase aid to people living with HIV/AIDs, after reading this statement.

          • Gerry Fisher

            The apology is sufficient. Let’s just not have any more nonsense about her being a “friend” or a “fierce advocate.” We’re a convenient constituency group, and we need to watch her like a hawk. I’m OK moving on.

          • olandp

            If only they had invited me to eulogize Nancy Reagan, after I had prepared my speech and all…

            “Nancy Reagan, dead you know. One must always speak nice of the dead, she’s dead, how nice.”

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Exactly. She tried to re-write history, with herself at center stage. Like I said in an earlier thread, we wouldn’t have heard any of this if this was not an election year. Hillary Clinton is a corrupt, lying, power-hungry, globalist politician who should be in prison, not running the government!

          • My mother told me not to call a dummy a dummy,however for you I’ll make an exemption… you are a DUMMY,and the fact that you are a TRUMP supporter… I rest my case!

          • Robincho

            There you go again, repeating yourself…

          • Yes,yes, I do! However, if the shoe or description fits more than one person… I repeat myself. My mother was a wise woman,and she succeeded in trying to find good in all people. I tried that, and in some cases, especially when they are dummies, I admit I have a simple retort.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            I outgrew calling people dummies when I was 4 or 5. But thats all you’ve said, and thats clearly all you have. No further questions.

          • Not really, I tried not stooping to your stupidity of your description of Hillary Clinton… spoken like the putz you are. What have you done with your life other than complain about the next President of the United States? Enjoy your stupidity… you have nothing else to brag about… it’s your claim to fame!

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Your candidate is about to be indicted in the next 2 weeks! You don’t know anything about me, nor do you deserve to. I think it’s funny when liberals squirm like worms, resort to childish name calling and insulting people for their opposite views, and clutch at whatever straws they can to try to obscure the fact that every argument they make defies logic, while their criminals, oops…I mean “candidates” defy the law. Ignorance is bliss, and at this point you, and the rest of the liberals must be ecstatic!

          • vorpal

            Breitbart is over there.
            I think you took a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

          • Robincho

            Pronounced “Albakoiky” is this case, but even so, your wonderful rabbit reference, like pretty much everything else, will go over TWC’s head…

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            If I were you Id be more concerned about the globalist takeover of the human race that went over YOUR head while you’re making moronic rabbit references and fighting to defend a disgusting anti-American like Hillary Clinton who doesnt care any more about you than your mother did.

          • Robincho

            Really, Timmeh, you’re far more amusing when you just stay there under your bridge, rocking back and forth on your haunches and eating spiders…

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Just like a liberal to move from the issue at hand to make personal attacks against someone who disagrees with you. It speaks volumes about you, says nothing about me, and proves that there is nothing you have to offer to an adult conversation about the topic at hand.

          • Robincho

            You wait ten days and THIS is the best you can manage? (You’re so cute when you upvote yourself.) In any event, you certainly seem to have lots of topics and issues “at hand”…

          • Prixator

            I’ll fix your error: Donald Drumpf is a corrupt, lying, power-hungry, globalist politician who should be in prison, not running the government!

            (The politician part is new, but now applicable.)

            You’re welcome.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Donald Trump is a nationalist, and the only candidate who is. Get your facts straight. Hillary Clinton would sell out her own mother to slavery for a chance to get back in the white house, but the only house she belongs in is the BIG house.

          • Prixator

            A nationalist if it’ll save him money. Otherwise, he is a globalist (where are many of his branded products manufactured?).

            And I am glad that you agree with all of the other adjectives to describe Drumpf.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            That was clever. Now if we could just go back in time and have your mom fix her error.

          • Prixator

            You wound me with your wit!

          • 2patricius2

            And Donald Drumpf is an angel and totally honest and not a selfish narcissistic huckster who eggs on violence in his rallies?

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Nope he doesnt. Those protesters were paid for by the elites to try to hurt his campaign, and it backfired on them. And for the record, he condoned no violence, told security NOT to hurt them, and even shut down the event because it wasnt worth it to him to have people who came to hear his message getting hurt bu left wing hooligans who are so scared to let him have his say because they think he might actually have a message people will hear and relate to. That logic is stupid, unAmerican, and, by all accounts FAILING MISERABLY!

          • djlee

            Bullshit- all of it.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Oh gee, thank you for such an astute and stimulating addition to the discussion. Yawn!

          • Gerry Fisher

            This. She spoke at a bit of length, indicating that she clearly believed what she was saying. This wasn’t a mistake. This was her not having understood a very important part of history. Although the apology was very well written, it still doesn’t make it clear to me that she understands how negligent the Reagans were (though now is not the time to rub it in, given Nancy’s recent death).

            She wasn’t “inaccuate” and didn’t make “a mistake.” She was wildly wrong for decades and didn’t realize it until she got called out on it in public.

          • David

            Are you under the misimpression that Clinton was an ally of the Reagans? And you say she was “wrong” but not “mistaken.” Is your point just that you hate Hillary no matter what?

      • hiker_sf

        We disagree. I think every move Clinton makes is calculated, so I don’t see this move as “classy.” Regardless, I accept the apology and am ready to move on.

        • Timothy Wade Corder

          Me too! I’m ready to move on with her indictment, for Benghazi, the email scandals, and the cover-ups, maybe the string of murders of people who threatened her reputation, too. Yes! Let’s move on!

          • timncguy

            remember the XMAS card scandal. we wouldn’t want to forget that. And, Travelgate too. That’s very important

          • BobSF_94117

            Don’t forget the missing “w” keys on the White House keyboards…

          • Acronym Jim

            We also mustn’t forget the slave-trade agreement with the Galactic Reptilican Empire.

            Oops, I may have said too much. Forget I was here.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            And the trail of murder victims who threatened to expose her.

          • olandp

            And yet Timmy, you’re still alive. She must be slipping.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            Oh look, isn’t that cute! A tool!

        • lymis

          The thing is, that even if this is a calculated move, we’re looking at a major Presidential candidate calculating that this statement is to her own benefit. Think about that. A presidential candidate who sees political capital in criticising the Reagans the week of Nancy’s funeral, in making a public statement declaring the ongoing failure to cure AIDS worldwide inexcusable, and for whom it’s seen as a higher priority to praise the unsung heroes of the AIDS and gay rights movements than to criticize her opponents.

          Did you ever expect to see a presidential candidate calling ACT-UP heroes?

          That would be a hugely positive step in a candidate who was a fierce personal advocate for LGBTequality and HIV cure because they personally believe in them and are expressing their own passion.

          But honestly, if this IS purely calculated, holy crap, because it reflects such a huge shift in what is seen as politically mandatory, and, frankly, I’d almost rather it is calculated, because one person’s passion may move mountains on occasion if they are charismatic and influential enough (and I don’t see that as one of Hillary’s strengths, though I feel she has many), but when something slips into the political calculus and is seen by others as the way the wind is blowing, thost changes can become systemic nearly overnight – something long overdue for both LGBTequality and HIV progress.

      • dr morbius

        She could NOT have “let it fly,” that would literally be political suicide. Bernie Bernie Bernie.

      • Gerry Fisher

        Classy? She tried to brush it off with a Tweet. When the Internet failed to stop exploding, she and her people authored a better apology. I’m not damning her for this at all; it’s common politics. But let’s not give her a gold star on this one.

      • DonnaLee

        I honestly can’t fault her for forgetting that happened 30 some years ago.

        • Timothy Wade Corder

          Yeah she sure has forgotten everything for someone who was paid 12 million for her memoirs!

    • Michael Smith

      I can’t imagine Trump ever admitting to a mistake.

      • Traxley Launderette

        Mistakes are what LOSERS make.

        • Traxley, you sound like a genuine loser!

          • Adrianajclark2

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          • joeyj1220

            I believe Traxley was being sarcastic (in fact I imagine that is exactly how Donald Trump would respond)

          • SockMikey

            Jerry,

            If you review Traxley Launderette’s comments on Disqus you’ll probably get the sense that it was a sarcastic comment aimed at Trump.

          • I believe you are wrong, if you read other post by Traxley on this site… he is a muck raker and maker of the worst kind… ready to pour salt in an open wound. Even though I have been around for a long time, including 40 years in the front line line of the gay rights movement… i love an open discussion, but not with hypocrites or sarcasm as an answer.

        • fandancy

          I doubt you’ve lived your life without making any mistakes.
          Therefore, you’re a loser.
          Everyone makes mistakes. Only losers don’t sincerely apologize to people who were hurt by their mistakes.

          • Todd20036

            It was snark. You missed it

          • fandancy

            Sorry, I guess I did miss it.

        • David Russo

          Lincoln, Washington, FDR, Kennedy, Obama–all have made great mistakes. NONE of them are losers. If you are looking for a GOD, look to religion. If you seek the best among humanity, look to those who put themselves out front and who do their best.

          • Traxley Launderette

            Sarcasm, sir. 🙂

        • Terance Greene

          I have been a loser all my life. Does that make me a mistake?

          • Todd20036

            Snark. It was snark

          • Terance Greene

            So was mine , of the self deprecating kind.

          • Acronym Jim

            Darnit, Terance! Hoisted on one’s own snark. I hate when that happens. It always ruins a good pair of knee-breeches.

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          • Terance Greene

            See this proves how much of a loser I am. I am the only one who gets a reply to my post that’s spam!

          • Robincho

            Jack and Charmian London just called, ship-to-shore. They’re somewhere in the mid-Pacific, aboard The Snark, and they agree with you. Snarkaholic just left my operator’s station, but he can verify this also…

        • Traxley is /s/ you readers unused to interpreting cues for internet sarcasm….

      • MonochromeMouse

        whenever he gets caught in a lie or called out for a mistake he twists it to not be his fault, “i couldn’t understand you, your mics are screwed up” or “i was misinformed by ______________, they messed up”

        • Timothy Wade Corder

          Prove that he is a racist. I challenge any one of you bumbling idiots to prove it. You are blind sheep who will believe anything you are told, and its making this whole country look as stupid as you claim trump supporters to be.

          • oikos
          • Timothy Wade Corder

            A pathetic excuse for journalism, each and every item in this poorly written attempt to “prove” a point can easily be torn apart by any reader with an ability to see that the “author” is clearly grasping as straws. I wrote more compelling essays in the 5th grade. I read this article several weeks ago, and actually wrote back to thank the idiot who wrote it for being so transparent in this miserably failed attempt to gather and relay factual information that it rather obviously supports the narrative of the opposing view. If this is all you’ve got, I rest my case. I won’t tire myself going through each example, since the readers have done such an outstanding job of this in the comments that followed. Had you have taken the time to read those, too, you might not have been so quick to fooloshly kick this hideous crap back to me as “evidence.” Lol!

          • oikos
          • MonochromeMouse

            trump called mexican immigrants rapists and murderers, trump refused to denounce a endorsement from the former grand wizard of the kkk, trump said he believes we should kill muslim civilians in order to scare terrorists, all of these things are facts that anyone who knows how to use google can find, he’s also notorious for posting angry nonsensical rants to twitter like a pissed off 16 year old

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            You have distorted his words and taken them out of context. A film will be coming out very soon that will be erasing all of the myths and musrepresentations, and introducing the real Donald Trump. It will take all the wind out of the sail behind these accusations. I feel sorry for all of the misinformed people who can’t see how the elites and their media coverage have created these delusions. I have 2 friends who know Trump personally. He is a hater of no group of people. He is a humble man, with a big heart, a philanthropist who has given millions of dollars to help humanitarian causes. He was raised in New York, where racism is not looked upon highly, or instilled in children, as a general rule. Racism is common in poor communities in the southern states where folks lack opportunity and education. Trump does not fit this bill. Generally, people who are bigots are seen through and quickly discredited by others. Few find success in business or other areas of life. None have captured the hearts and support of a diverse group of 100,000,000 Americans. The truth is, Donald Trump is a patriot who loves America and simply wants to fix the problems of his bleeding nation. Imagine how easy it would be for him to take his billions and the people he cares about to a remote location and live out the rest of his days in peace luxury and comfort. Instead he has decided after much thought to risk his life is safety and that of his family to take on this very dangerous mission. He is not seeking power. He has no hidden agenda and is the only one who has run an honest, fair campaign for president. There are just too many black leaders and respectable upstanding people in society who have come out in support of him for the claims of him being a racist, hater, bigot, nazi to be true. Many of you are in for a very big surprise.

          • MonochromeMouse

            the fact that you up-voted yourself proves your comment has no merit. Donald trump is a dangerous greedy megalomaniac, he is a racist, sexist, jingoist bigot. he is not in any way shape or form a humble man, humble men do not build skyscrapers with their name in big bold letters on them and then sue the city when that sign is found to violate building codes. and if he truly wanted to fix the country he would not be running as or pandering to the republican party that is responsible for every single problem America currently faces. but hey, keep drinking your koolaid, once the cyanide sets in there will be one less idiot around to ruin the country.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Maybe you should consider changing your name to mono brain cell. Most of you are capable of nothing more than regurgitating the liberal laundry “ist list,” that you’ve heard your brainwashed counterparts screech repeatedly, hoping that if it’s said enough times that all of the items somehow become true. Trump isn’t any of those things. You can’t prove that he is. Nobody can. I can prove that he isn’t. Period. End of the story.
            You don’t stop there like most libtards, you take stupid to a whole new level by having the audacity to say that the republican party is responsible for every problem this country has ever had and I’m guessing you really believe that. Oh, and then, of course, there was some angry, hate-driven dribble about koolaid…poison…die… (hack)*(spit)! But I’m really curious as to how you think the GOP has caused every problem we’ve ever had, especially when the list of horrible things I can say about YOUR frontrunner includes all things that CAN be proven (liar, thief, money-launderer, globalist, anti-human, anti-constitition, globalist, Saul Alinsky community developer, establishment puppet, traitor, evidence destroyer, extortionist, who will say absolutely ANYTHING to get elected, hasn’t been indicted yet, but at this point what difference does it make?). With her guilty of all that and more (and that’s just the candidate you have up NOW, it doesn’t include anything the criminal currently in the white has done) how do you think you can defend that outrageous statement placing all of the blame on republicans. I really can’t wait to hear this!

      • Nic Peterson

        I can’t imagine most trump supporters being able to get through that statement without a dictionary. If only they had one, or knew how to use it.

        • Timothy Wade Corder

          Are you saying that Trump supporters are stupid, illiterate, or uneducated? If so, you are saying that about the majority of your fellow countrymen, because the majority of us support him, and he WILL be the next president of the United States!

          • Doug105

            Sixty percent of Americans don’t consider Donald Trump to be qualified to be president, according to new polling from the Washington Post and ABC News. Of registered voters, 56 percent hold that position, including over a third of Republicans.
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/14/sixty-percent-of-americans-dont-think-donald-trump-is-qualified-to-be-president/

            SO liar, stupid, or uneducated take your pick.

          • DesertSun59

            Prepare for that percentage to go way down after he issues his attacks on Hillary during the general election. His bluster will easily destroy her establishment ‘voice’.

          • Acronym Jim

            You forgot the option for “all of the above.” I’m going to go with that one.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Of course you do. Liberals only know how to spew hate and make insults. You are all scared off by challenges to think critically or discuss anything like rational adults.

          • oikos
          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Bla bla bla

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Then why is he the only one winning?

          • Doug105
          • Timothy Wade Corder

            That perception is the left trying to tear him down. Its not working. Its failing miserably and his support is getting stronger and the stronger it gets, the louder you people love to scream racist. It doesnt hurt Trump. It just makes you look stupid. And you only criticize him because you’re bitter because you habe 2 candidates, one belongs in prison and the other belongs in an asylum. Blind sheep following to their planned deaths.

          • Doug105
          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Please, what do you expect when these people have been PAID to go disrupt his peaceful rallies? How dare anyone even try to say that someone who is redponding to violence is inciting violence? The stupidity is rising to new levels!

          • Doug105
          • Timothy Wade Corder

            A brain with no sensory input, no blood or oxygen supply, therefore incapable of thought…in other words…brain dead. Yep, looks like most of the #nevertrump idiots I’ve come across. Many thanks for the gratuitous visual aid! So helpful!

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            He has 100,000,000 supporters. Die hard supporters. The naysayers will stay home. And besides, the truth comes out in the debates. I imagine hillary will have a host of excuses why she cant make it (like the email and benghazi hearings) because she is PETRIFIED to go against Trump, an honest, decent patriot who has nothing to be ashamed of. It’s going to be “HILLARYOUS” to see her on the debate floor in fetal position, crying and peeing all over herself!

          • Doug105

            You don’t even lie well.
            Nate Silver Predicts A Massive Clinton Win Against Trump
            http://leftwingnation.org/nate-silver-predicts-a-massive-clinton-win-against-trump/

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            And your point is? He also said in September that he [Trump] had a 5% chance of beating the other GOP candidates. Then in November he said that his [Trump’s] following was “negligible” and that he had a “better chance of playing in the NBA finals than winning the republican nomination.” This guy should stick to calling ball games. And you should go back to watching them. Calling me a liar brings nothing useful to the forum, especially when I appear to be the only one who knows what the hell I’m talking about. Nice (failed) try!

          • oikos

            Yes. Dumb as a hammer or a box of rocks, take your pick. Wholly without critical thinking skills or the ability to process information and use reason in making decisions. In other words, fucking low information morons. tRump loves the uneducated and you have proven him correct.Thanks for playing.

          • GayOldLady

            Can you imagine what Trump would be if he had been born to a poor family in the Bronx instead of a rich daddy in Queens? He’s the prototypical Silver Spooner who thinks he’s successful because Daddy give him a few million to start with and now he has more.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Being born with money is no more someones fault or to their discredit than being born black, or eskimo, or blind. The logic you people use is so far removed from reality that its scary!

          • oikos

            Too dumb to get her point, huh? She’s pointing out that he has never had to worry about going hungry, paying a mortgage , etc. He is a spoiled child of privilege who was given money without working for it and has never worked a day in his life.

            You Log Cabinettes sure are clueless.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Shes too dumb to HAVE a point, and you’d havste to be as dumb as her to get her point. A person doesn’t have to struggle through poverty to understand the suffering of another, to know how to be fair, to treat others with respect, or to be a good president. News flash: Most of us inherit money, unless we come from families of losers. Most of us will leave money when we die, to help those we love to prosper. What exavtly the hell IS her point, anyway? If you’re trying to say Donald Trump hasn’t worked hard in his life, you’re dead wrong. If you think the hardest work of his life (overcoming the resistance from people with your mentality) doesn’t lie ahead of him, then you’d be wrong once again!

          • oikos

            No most people don’t inherit money. Just privileged snots who don’t ever work for a living. Drumpf is a parasite, who would be a janitor if his daddy hadn’t left him millions. It’s apparent from your posts that you are a log cabinette trust funder who cares only about yourself and your tax bracket and that is why no sane gay man will have you. Enjoy dying alone, troll.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Its amusing how you “liberals” are all about your PC crap and not making generalizations about people one minute, then are the first to turn around and throw people in categories and slap a negative label on them “racist,” “log cabinette.” Its a trap that simple, unevolved people can’t help but fall into. Hypocrisy at its finest!

          • oikos
          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Thats just rhetoric the left loves to hand down because they know you will eat it up. Republicans have more education than liberals. That is a fact. What you have proven is that opinions are spread through hollow, mindless, thoughtless drones who love to spew mesaages of hate with no facts to support any of it. Your mentality screams out with angry and uneducated liberal ignorance.

          • oikos

            Hmmm, I looked at your education and I’m far better educated than you, so you’re another republican liar and still dumb as dirt.

            Timothy Wade Corder: BA ’98 Psych/Poly Sci, BS ’02 Biol/pre-med Single, Republican, Christian, Writer, Audi enthusiast.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Actually my partner was killed in a car accident, but that’s beside the point. There are a lot of gay republicans. I changed my party affiliation because I’m not a blind sheep who tows the line of a corrupt party that secretly undrrmines our rights, steals our money, and seeks to dumb us down, weaken us, disarm, and enslave us while self-centered morons like you are prancing around focused on marriage equality. Who are you to criticize my education? It doesn’t matter where you go to school or what you study. You get out of your education what you put into it. I’m not here to personally attack anyone, just trying to wake people up, but logic is lost on people like you. Liberals love to make insults, but few can back up the actions of their own politicians. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are both the exact opposte of the rhetoric they spout, but people have it so twisted that they support them anyway, unable to see the forest for the trees. I don’t care if everyone on this site disagrees with me, or thinks that insulting me somehow makes them right and me wrong. I’d rather be the one guy who’s right than be one of the 1,000,000 who is wrong.

          • oikos

            Education is not just about learning subjects but learning to think critically, and discern what is factual and what is opinion, something you have not been able to master as of yet in your miserable life.

            http://quotes.lifehack.org/media/quotes/quote-Mark-Twain-it-is-better-to-remain-silent-and-88407.png

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            You might want to rethink whose life is miserable, when you’re the one who thinks that you should bully people and attack their character for having opinions that are not congruent with yours. Shutting people down with insults doesn’t make you appear to know what you’re talking about. It just lets everybody see that you’re an arrogant, closed-minded pig.

          • oikos
          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Not at all. I stand by everything I say, as I assure you that not a drop of my self-esteem is tied up in your opinion. Just thought you should reflect your own reasons for the uncalled for ugliness of your response, saying I have a miserable life (which I do not) and making it personal (which it isn’t). People say we Republicans are the heartless ones. Judging from this forum, and people like you. I beg to differ. It’s all good, though. I wish you the best regardless.

          • oikos
          • Timothy Wade Corder

            your argument makes it seem like you’re the one “playing”. His supporters are uneducated. The facts back me up that minorities (not an insult or a judgment to them, just a fact) have lower levels of education, so how can the voice of 100,000,000 Americans be coming from the uneducated, and the racists, when racist is your term for the white folks, who clearly have the higher levels of education. Your argument makes about as much sense as “obama a good president…he give us a PHONE!” Just like a liberal to try to distort the facts so they can have it both ways!

          • oikos

            Reagan gave them the phones. As usual cons can’t support their whitewash of history without lying.
            “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”
            And you totally insulted minorities. .

          • BobSF_94117

            stupid, illiterate, or uneducated?

            More and than or.

          • Not even a majority of republican primary voters support that campaign. Sorry if the facts confuse you.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Yes they do. And he will be the next president. Sorry you are so blinded by your left wing ideation and the lies the liberal media has spoon fed you. Donald Trump is bringing in record numbers and causing a political revolution in this country because everyone is fed up with how the democrats are destroying this country. Sit there in your sour grape juice until you ferment for all we care. The rest of us are moving on.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            That is changing so fast as people wake up to discover that you all are the haters spewing your lies and rhetoric, which is only making him stronger. He owes each and every one of you idiots a thank you letter, and everyone who took part in spouting all of this crap should be excluded from all the rewards that his effective leadership will bring to the table, but, fortunately for you, we arent a society that punishes people simply for being stupid. Just know that everything the left has done, every underhanded dirty trick, has blown up in all of your faces. He is going to win and you’d better get used to the idea or start packing!

          • Nic Peterson

            Yes, I am. No, he won’t. BTW, you forgot to include racist and entitled in your otherwise accurate description of Trump supporters.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Yeah, thats why so many revolutionary black figures are coming out in droves to support him. You’ve said nothing useful. In fact, you’ve shown that your thoughts are like those of a 2 year old who is learning to talk by repeating what he heard. Nobody is impressed that you know how to regurgitate words, especially when only the opposite can be proven as fact. Good luck with your education, all of which is clearly still to come.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            All lies, but keep it up. All you fools are doing is making him stronger. Lies without facts to support it make you all look more stupid and bitter than you cam imagine. And you say trump supporters are angry. We have nothing to be angry about. We are finally going to get our country back, along with immigration control, jobs, borders, tax cuts, a favorable system of healthcare, military and veteran support, destruction of radical islam, and the reversal of the executive powers STOLEN by Obama, not to mention control of the supreme court, and trade policies that will weaken our economy to the point of implosion as your “leaders” are doing.

          • Nic Peterson

            Don’t forget the Pony! The YUUUUGGGEEE pony that you will finally get. Perhaps you will ride that pony to the new job that Trump will give you at Final Solution HQ.

            Sweet dreams, little Timmy.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Bernie Sanders is going to give us all ponies that the next 3 generations will pay for. Fortunately he has no viable path. There will be no ponies under president Trump. If you want one you will have to work for it. Thats the four letter words people who support the left are most terrified of.

          • 2patricius2

            Dream on….

          • oikos

            Yes, Trump supporters are stupid, illiterate, or uneducated.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            I’m afraid you aren’t qualified or in any position to assign those attributes to 100,000,000 Americans who you don’t even know. To try to make that claim anyway, might suggest that YOU are stupid, illiterate, and uneducated, and I am qualified to say that about you because you just gave me all the information I needed to reach that conclusion. Try a different approach if you hope to convince the next person.

          • oikos

            Poor Timmy, I looked at your FB profile, I am far better educated than you. Try again.

            http://www.glittersnipe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Log-Cabin-Republicans1.jpg

        • Todd20036

          You need to know the alphabet first

          • Robincho

            And for that, you need to be able to read…

        • maybe123

          Many Trump supporters are working class people who have been shafted by the ruling class, just like the rest of us. In this rigged system, education is a privilege that most Trump supporters never had much access to. Sad, that they are caught between privileged people who are often condescending, and Trump, who clearly won’t represent their interests. Give them another option!

        • Timothy Wade Corder

          Educated trump supporter here who will challenge any one of you to explain why you think going through life with your eyes closed while you call people stupid who think differently than you do is an effective strategy. Calling half the people in this country stupid doesnt make anyone receptive to seeing things your way.

          • oikos

            40% of the republican base is not half the country. Math fail.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            What about all the democrats who support him? The independents? All these Republicans who oppose him must not care enough to come out and say so, because he sure is the front runner, sweeping the primaries, with almost twice the number of delegates as the runner upm But you idiots stay in your little nests of denial. That’s exavtly where we want you. You’ll still be there when he wins the general election. Your front runner is about to be indicted. What does that say?

          • oikos

            Yes, cons love to say she’ll be indicted, for doing the same legal thing her republican predecessors did. You keep telling yourself that.

            http://www.bookwormroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/The-other-people-did-it-too-defense-to-Hillarys-wrongdoing.jpg

      • J Ascher

        I’d say his two divorces are the closest he’s come to admitting a mistake.

        • 2patricius2

          But weren’t those the fault of his first two wives, or maybe of “little Donald”?

    • I can imagine it. And the next day he’d vehemently deny having done so.

    • Never. Not ever. Hell, I can’t imagine any of the GOP candidates doing anything but arguing that gay marriages should be abolished, LGBT civil rights banned, and being LGBT made illegal again. But Trump is literally incapable of apologizing sincerely for anything, indeed.

      • Reality.Bites

        I think you’re being unfair to him.

        He’s literally incapable of apologizing INsincerely too!

        • He’s done a few sarcastic apologies.

          • Diogenes Onionpants

            But if he ever apologized, it’d be the YUUGEST most classy apology ever, and he’d get the guy it was offered to to pay for it!

        • Timothy Wade Corder

          Trump has a big ego. Thank GOD! One more year with a pussy president would have been the end of us for sure! Sorry for being an American, sorry for being white, sorry for not being politically correct. Enough already. Stop invaginating the United States of America! TRUMP 2016!!

          • camel54

            Why do you bother? No-one will agree with you, especially all of us here in the rest of the world. Enough with your overbearing sense of self-importance. You’ve destroyed enough, and we won’t put up with any more.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            You won’t? Thats the problem with dems thinking they have to shut us up. Well guess what…YOU CAN’T!

          • oikos

            Sorry about your small penis and even smaller intellect.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Comments like that didnt help marco rubio and they’re not helping you either!

          • oikos

            Your trolling is extremely poor. Go back to troll school and try again.

          • vorpal

            No one has asked you to apologize for being an American, for being white, or for not being politically correct.

            We just expect you to not be a histrionic idiot.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Thats good i dont apologize for anything. Your current president thinks I should but I don’t. I only apologize for not working harder to keep him from getting elected. We barely survived the last 7 years, now we’re taking back the white house, the s.c. and it’s about time. It is truly a great time to be a republican!

          • vorpal

            You sound like a fucking moron, and I’ll follow suit and not apologize for saying so.

            Please check back in after the election so I can help myself to a nice serving of your Republican tears.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Such infantile language and bullying. I’ll argue that the only tears will be gushing from Hillary’s eyes as she lies in fetal position on the floor of the first debate against Donald Trump. I don’t expect you will be crying, though. You clearly don’t care enough to have a clue what you’re talking about.

          • vorpal

            I’m not the one making up absurdities about both Hillary and Obama. That seems to be your forte, but Trump supporters aren’t interested in facts: they just want to maintain their fragile little false narrative.

            LOL oh, and upvoting your own comments? Tacky.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Yep, fragile narrative shared by 100,000,000 of us. Hillary and Obama ARE absurdities. Both criminals. I have inside information that your “candidate” will be indicted within the next 2 weeks, so MISS me with your leftist ideology and try to figure out what billshit narrative you guys are gonna put out there get her out of the cauldron of hot water she’s dangling over. Those of us who love this country (despite the fact that there are people like you in it) will be busy welcoming the Trumps to the white house.

            I am new to disqus and the concept of “upvoting.” Thought the arrows were a way to navigate through layers of people’s bullshit comments. My bad. Did I mention that everything you’ve said is tacky (not to mention outrageously stupid)?

          • GayOldLady

            Trump almost pooped his pants when the man grabbed his pants leg yesterday. Nothing Special Forces in his reaction. Big blustering mouth does not equal courage. The only courage Trump has is the courage that money can buy.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            This coming from a gay old lady. Please impress us from more barack obama style courage. trump has taken all you peoples crap and hasnt budged an inch. That is courage. Clinton’s narrative changes every time another zillion dollars come through the private foundation money laundering enterprise, so dont open a mouth to me about what money can buy, especially to bastard enemy countries where she dances with the devil at the expense of our national security.

          • GayOldLady

            Don’t you have a sock to swallow?

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            I’m not touching that sock that’s covering the foot you just shoved in your mouth.

          • GayOldLady

            Silly little boy!!! If you keep acting out I’m going to call your momma and have her turn off your computer.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Good luck with that. She’s dead. Sounds like you can dish it out but you cant take it.

          • GayOldLady

            Grow up and stop trolling!!

          • maybe123

            Being endlessly macho isn’t necessarily the best political policy. Cooperation, inclusiveness and thoughtfulness benefit you in almost all aspects of life, especially politics

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Well surely you’re not trying to make the argument that putting a criminal or a socialist in the WH is the answer. Im so tired of arguing with liberals whose corrupt, evil globslist politicians have had the last 7+ years to show us what they’re about, and, in that time, things have steadily declined, and now you want to call us stupid and uneducated just because we are fed up and insist that its OUR turn and we actually have an exciting candidate with a viable path to the ptesidency, a respectable man who has a real plan. He has no skeletons in his closet and has promised to do only good things for tjis country and our people, and its absolutely repulsive how you people make up lies to smear his honest and successful campaign, try to drown out his messages with violence, turn his supporters against him, threaten to leave (be my guest) the country if he wins, and he WILL! We have waited patiently and now we are ready to move on and start solving all the problems that have been created and you actually meet us with more arrogance, opposition, and insults. This nation is ready for a republucan who is not subject to the power of special interest money, but you people are towing your corrupt party’s line, and in doing so, failing to see any truth or reality. There is nothing you can do to stop Trump. He’s taken a lot of dems away because both of your candidates are pathetic and offer no useful solutilons to the disaster this country is in thanks to 7 years of FAILED policies and INEFFECTIVE LEADERSHIP. And you want to take stabs at our intelligence and question oir motives. You are unreasonable, bullheaded, misguided, rebels without a clue who dont even have a clue how out of touch with reality to you really are. Put down your crack pipes for a minute and look at what is going on in the real world!

      • scottrose

        Actually, John Kasich has said “The Supreme Court decided this matter; I have moved on.”

        And, as regards so-called “religious liberty” to discriminate against gay people, Kasich says “If you’re open to the public to sell goods or services, you are open to the public. What’s next? Denying a wedding cake to people who were divorced?”

        • Bruno

          But more recently he’s been wishy washy: “If you go to a photographer to take pictures at your wedding and he says I’d rather not do it, find another photographer. Don’t sue them in court.”

          • Gustav2

            Do not count Kasich as a friend, as I wouldn’t count Sen Portman as a friend. The do have to get elected with the help of the religious right in Ohio.

          • Bruno

            They both really rub me the wrong way. Kasich is so sarcastic.

          • Gustav2

            You should meet Kasich in real life when he is doesn’t have his campaign face on. I’m surprised he has lasted this long without going off on someone.

          • Bruno

            You can tell though even when he’s asked a question he doesn’t like by a reporter. He’ll sort of laugh it off while forcefully ending the discussion. Reminds me a bit of Dubya. Politics wise he may be the “best” of the GOP left, but it isn’t saying much. And I think Rubio is more likeable in the personality department, which isn’t saying much either.

          • Gustav2

            Kasich also bans reporters from his pressers if he doesn’t like you. So the local press is soft on him, reporter jobs with our dwindling media are hard to find.

          • Bruno

            Guess that explains his high approval ratings in Ohio.

          • Gustav2

            If his approval ratings were as high as they say he should not be basically tied with Trump

        • Timothy Wade Corder

          Why are we talking about John Kasich? He has no viable path to the Presidency. It’s the Donald and Hillary Rotten Clinton who will duke it out until November.

          • Informed Voter

            You mean, Donald Heil Hitler Trump vs. Hillary Awesome for America Clinton.

      • Adam

        well, I doubt Kasich would.

      • Timothy Wade Corder

        Trump has no agenda to turn back any of the progress that has been made on LGBT issues whatsoever, and that includes getting involved in any legislation dealing with marriage equality at the federal level. He has said that he believes it is a matter left to be decided by states and local governments, and he is correct. The United States Constitution says nothing that protects anyone’s “right” to be married. Think about it, asking for anti-hate laws and insisting the laws protect us from discrimination and violence and workplace inequality, which is fine, is one thing. But then those same people turn right around and try to use the law to force the church to marry them when to do so violates their religious beliefs, sworn vows, etc. It’s such hypocrisy. Traditionally, marriage is a sacred union between a man and woman. It is a secular union that does NOT recognize two men or two women joined in matrimony. Gay people prosecuting clergy, churches in both civil and criminal courts is nothing more than an over-zealous attack on religion that has no legal or moral basis, especially when the government recognizes civil unions that provide all the same benefits and rights as a married couple. I am a gay man, and I say this with confidence, knowing that I am in the minority in my own community, but as history has proven many times, one does not need to be popular to be right, and my logic is sound. So that is the truth about where Donald Trump stands, so now you can not only imagine a GOP candidate who won’t abolish our rights, you can accept it as fact.

        • agcons

          Who is trying to force any church anywhere to perform marriages for same-sex couples? I’m aware of asshole flower and cake pushers being prosecuted for violating their states’ accomodation legislation, but not clergy.

          • JCF

            Ignore the tRump Troll.

        • Chris Baker

          Can you cite one case where a clery person has been forced to perform a wedding ceremony against their will or beliefs? No, you can’t. Because clergy commonly turn down all types of couples: interfaith couples, couples where one has been previously divorced, couples who are not members of their congregation, etc. Clergy have never been forced to do anything against their faith. I attended many churches where the pastor would not perform a ceremony if a christian was marrying a non-christian, or someone from a different faith (Catholic, Mormon, etc.).

          You also say: “[Marriage] is a secular union that does NOT recognize two men or two women joined in matrimony.”
          So please clarify, is marriage a religious union or a secular union? Of course, it’s both, on only one, depending on what you believe. It’s a secular, civil, legal union for purposes of local, state and federal law and tax laws. Atheists can (an must) get married if they want to take advantage of those laws too. Whether any particular religion recognizes the marriage of two atheists is not relevant to civil law.

          • Gustav2

            TWC believes ‘the church’ owns the word “marriage.”

          • Chucktech

            The church owns the word “matrimony.” Fine with me.

          • Gustav2

            “Holy matrimony” yes.

        • Gustav2

          The 14th amendment says the states cannot treat citizens differently. Civil marriage is the means the government uses for ALL citizens. And there are religious bodies who do preform our marriages. Are you going to discriminate against certain religions?

          No clergy person has been sued. Unless you are talking about Coeur d’Alene where the ‘clergy’ also advertised they would do civil ceremonies. As soon as they said they would only do religious ceremonies, the problem was solved.

          You are neither logical nor truthful.

          • oikos

            He is merely a troll and a poor one at that.

        • Buddy Pinkham

          Maybe you should read the SCOTUS decisions again (or for the first time).

        • ColdCountry

          You really are lost, aren’t you?

      • Timothy Wade Corder

        Trump is a friend to the gay community. He has no interest in setting back the progress made on LGBT issues. He has said that marriage equality should be left to the states, which is exactly what a president should say on the issue. He is a fair, thoughtful and tolerant man who has no record of making any derogatory statements against gays, and as a result has many gay supporters, like myself. I am actually thoughtful enough to put our country’s needs above a worthless fight to ram gayness down everyone’s throat. Our republic faces real threats. Hillary Clinton was against gay marriage in the early 90s. Now all the sudden she’s for it. It would be one thing if she admitted that and explained it by simply stating that her views changed as her thinking evolved. But NO, she denies ever being against it, as if someone can’t play the clips back to back proving her to be a ball faced liar. HUGE RED FLAG! She wants to fling the gates open and drag in millions from a culture where they celebrate gayness by throwing us off of tall buildings, but, by all means, give her your blind support, and all the rope she needs to hang ALL of us! What we should be doing is giving her some things to think about while she’s sitting in prison!

    • John Avignone

      Or Sanders. When has Bernie ever apologized for anything? Never, that’s when. Not because he’s never made a mistake, to be sure, but because he’s a passive-aggressive narcissist who will lecture you about why you’re wrong to think he was wrong on that thing he was wrong about, because he was actually right to be wrong. And he’s supposed to be Mr. Integrity? How can people be so blind?

      To anyone who doesn’t believe me, try a little experiment. try to find one clear, simple, “I was wrong and I apologize,” from any time during Bernie’s 3 decades of on the record statements. Good luck with that.

      • Yeah, never ever. Oh wait–

        “Yes, I apologize,” he said on stage when asked by ABC’s David Muir whether Clinton was owed an apology. “Not only do I apologize, I want to apologize to my supporters. This is not the kind of campaign that we run. If I find anybody else involved in this, they will be fired.”

        http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-apologizes-hillary-clinton-accessing-voter-data/story?id=35865025

        I guess three months is a little long to remember stuff happening.

        • John Avignone

          Yeah, maybe apologizing for his staff getting caught red-handed in the commission of a felony isn’t the best example. Not to mention, this is an apology for something someone else did, not something he did or didn’t. But hey, feel free to try again, maybe this time an actual apology for something he actually did. Begin…

          • Chuck in PA

            Mention a time when he needed to make an apology.

          • You asked for an example. I gave you one. I could find others but you aren’t worth my time. Clearly you won’t be satisfied, so fuck off.

          • Steven Leahy

            A very good and pertinent example too, I might add.

          • John Avignone

            I thought it would be self-evident that I was looking for an example of him apologizing for something he actually did or did not do. You know, like personal responsibility. Silly, me, expecting people to have more than 2 warm brain cells to rub together.

          • FrankSFO

            Instead of making assumptions, take the initiative to look it up yourself. And I’m a Hillary supporter.

          • dr morbius

            What’s it like being an asswipe, every day?

          • Gerry Fisher

            Hey, you threw out a challenge and he met it. It’s your issue for over stating your point.

      • DesertSun59

        I suspect you have passive aggressive issues you’re still dealing with from your youth. Please do not bring them to this forum. They are painfully evident.

        • John Avignone

          I suspect you suspect a lot of silly shit about that things and people about which you know entirely nothing whatsoever. Please fuck off. I don’t need you to tell me what to say or not.

          • Jeffrey

            You know, as a Hillary supporter I was just enjoying this thread and everyone who didn’t like her was kind of chilled out at the moment and then you came along and fucked it up. Shut up, dick.

          • John Avignone

            You know, I couldn’t give a skinny rat’s ass what you think. Who are you to order others around? Who died and made you boss? Nobody, that’s who, so eat me.

          • Jeffrey
          • JCF

            Ad hominem attack, nice. {Killfile deployed!]

          • Jeffrey

            Well, sometimes when someone is being an argumentative dick you skip the pleasantries. I didn’t think his pic was all that bad, but it did shut him up.

          • Jafafa Hots

            What the fuck is wrong with you? What kind of shit is this?

            When you pull some shit like this, you have no place to criticize anyone for anything.

          • Jeffrey

            Yeah, I don’t really care. He is being an aggressive dick, and so are you.

          • Jafafa Hots

            Pot, kettle.
            What you did is beyond the pale.

            Reported.

          • Jeffrey

            As if I care. You’re just a little bitch because Ive disagreed with you before. Grow up, nobody cares.

          • Jafafa Hots

            I have to tell you something, shitstain…
            I’ve been online since the 1970s. Yeah, that’s right. I’ve frequented the nastiest shitholes on the net, I’ve engaged in months-long twitter fights with Peter LaBarbera, friends and I infiltrated Stormfront and actually took over their servers years back… I’ve had people track down my identity and call me with death threats.
            I’ve fought anti-feminists, MRAs, PUAs, rape advocates, homophobes, racists, theocrats, you name it… and out of all of that, you are the most consistently, needlessly assholish and vile person I have come across in memory.

            Everything you post is an attack and you clearly have no boundaries.

            Congratulations.

          • Jeffrey

            Tl/dr nobody cares how long you’ve been online. Yawn.

          • Jafafa Hots

            tl/dr?
            Holy shit. That threw me. For a second there I thought I’d accidentally ended up on somebody’s tumblr.

            Sorry, my mistake… I didn’t realize I was talking to a fucking teenager. Nevermind. Go take your ritalin and have a nice day at school.

          • John Avignone

            Gee, I hope you grew your dick back.

          • Owen

            Wow, you have such a “beautiful” personality to go with that “beautiful” face.

        • John Avignone

          Obviously I’m not passive aggressive, you imbecile. I’m aggressive aggressive.

        • GayOldLady

          Boys, boys, boys. Please stop the arguing or I’m sending you all to time out!!! 🙂 You’re arguing over nothing, take a break.

          • JCF

            Thank you, GOL!

          • GayOldLady

            🙂 It’s been a long day, I think the boys need a nap.

          • Bad Tom

            I like naps.
            ——-
            Perhaps too much.

          • sherman

            Will there be cookies?

          • Gustav2

            Call nanny and send them to bed without their supper!

      • unsavedheathen

        Please… please, let’s not keep doing this.

        We’re all the good guys. And I will not spend the next few months tearing other liberals apart and making it possible for an insane man to become President.

        Watch the last ten minutes of last night’s “Real Time with Bill Maher”.

        • dr morbius

          Mme Clinton is a corporatist, not a liberal.

        • maybe123

          I agree we have to keep the big picture in mind, but the difference between Sanders and Clinton is significant, and should be debated. Clinton is a neoliberal- it is hard to deny. She is cozy with big money interests in a way that compromises her ability to represent the people. I agree with Robert Reich- “I’ve known Hillary Clinton since she was 19 years old, and have nothing but respect for her. In my view, she’s the most qualified candidate for president of the political system we now have. But Bernie Sanders is the most qualified candidate to create the political system we should have, because he’s leading a political movement for change.”

      • Treant

        He did apologize quite nicely for his campaign’s data theft. And he doesn’t really owe anybody an apology for having a different outlook on things, any more than I owe him an apology for disagreeing with him on many points.

        I’m sure he’ll apologize for the tweet he sent today directly accusing Clinton’s campaign on the state delegate issue in Iowa as well–it looks like he got fooled by a DU thread.

        • John Avignone

          Maybe apologizing for his staff getting caught red-handed in the commission of a felony isn’t the best example. Not to mention, that was an apology for something someone else did, not something he did or didn’t do.

          • Eric in Oakland

            So what if it was something someone else did? He still took responsibility for it. I think that no matter what example was provided, you would find some fault with it. It is ironic that you are displaying the very characteristic you are accusing Bernie of having, namely the inability to admit a mistake. Project much?

          • John Avignone

            Do at least TRY to follow the point. I know it’s hard to find, what, with it being so carefully hidden right in the headline,m but try. When has Bernie *ever* said, “*I* made a mistake”?

            Take your time. One example will do. Good luck!

      • Joe knows who I am.

        STFU turd.

        • John Avignone

          My, what a logical, well thought out and devastating retort! A true master of rhetoric you are! Jeebus Fracking Crisco…

        • Jeffrey

          Just ignore the troll. Anyway, moving on…

          • John Avignone

            Wow, nice job of ignoring you’re doing, Sooper Jeenyus!

      • Chuck in PA

        Show a time when he clearly didn’t apologize for making a mistake. This wasn’t a mistake this was talking about something she knew little about and was insensitive and rewiring of history. Why did she say it? It was a mistake when people had to school her and now she is trying to school us? Wow!

        • John Avignone

          So, you’re asking me to prove a negative? Really? Not much on logic or reasoning, are you?

          • Chuck in PA

            Whatever. Not worth my time. I have dealt with people who have delusions and the best thing to do is redirect.

      • JCF

        PLEASE stop stirring the shit. Pretty please???

        • Joe knows who I am.

          I’m thinking Republican. 😉

        • Mark Abbott

          You made me smile. Thanks.

        • Gerry Fisher

          I don’t think we have to pretend not to see something about someone (Hillary clearly doesn’t get us on a deep level, and she’s not a “friend”…she’s “OK with us”) in order to support her or to be politically effective.

      • Sportin’ Life

        LOL!!

      • Owen

        Wow, it’s almost as if you’re lying. I mean, it couldn’t have been hard to Google “Bernie Sanders apologizes” and come up with the actual results, could it? Because I just Googled it and immediately turned up a RECENT unequivocal apology:

        http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/sanders-apologizes-clinton-supporters-data-breach-n483271

        I mean, I’m sure you weren’t lying by omission here because you’re just a bs artist/smear merchant. No, you seem to have too much integrity for that…

        • John Avignone

          Apologizing for the act of another, and even then only after being directly asked to do so, is hardly the same as saying, “I made a mistake.” This is called “the point.” Welcome. Enjoy your visit, no matter how brief.

          It should be easy for you to cite an example of Bernie ever saying “*I* made a mistake.” And yet you’ve utterly failed to do so. Gee, I wonder why?

          • Owen

            You asked when Bernie has ever publicly apologized for anything. You said: “When has Bernie ever apologized for anything?” You’re now saying that a public apology he made does not suit your criteria. You’re retroactively adding qualifiers, specifying that he had to apologize for his own malfeasance, and that the apology had to be completely unprompted. Isn’t that convenient?

            Moving the goalposts is a common tactic for people who have been proven wrong. I’m not surprised that you would stoop to that, given your apparent love of dirty smears.

          • John Avignone

            My sincere apologies for assuming people were smart enough to understand I was talking about personal responsibility, just like the topic of the original post. Obviously I should have dumbed it down.

            Now, can you or can you not find an instance of Bernie ever saying, “I was wrong”?

            Don’t worry. I already know the answer. It’s not a smear, Dip Thunker, if it’s true. If the facts embarrass you, it’s not the fault of the facts.

          • Owen

            Actually, the link I provided, which you dismissed, had a personal apology from Senator Sanders. He specifically used the words “I apologize” and reiterated “I apologize to my supporters.”

            Go ahead and move those goalposts again, though. 😉

      • maybe123

        Can you provide an example of when he was wrong and should have apologized?

        • John Avignone

          Are you seriously suggesting that in 3 decades as a professional politician, Bernie has never been wrong about anything? Wow. I didn’t realize it was possible to be THAT fucking stupid and still ambulate upright.

          Wait, you do walk on two legs, yes?

          • maybe123

            Haven’t come up with anything yet?

    • Blake J Butler

      I wouldn’t imagine him doing anything like what Hillary just did with this apology, unless it involved some protesters death(s), and with cheers. Because they would be cheering that someone died at one of his crazy attendees.Yeah that’s what i would expect from Don.

    • Timothy Wade Corder

      Decent? This woman is sick! The only reason millions of people still suffer from AIDS is because the cure has not been released because pharmaceutical companies RAPE the healthcare system selling drugs that are long term therapy. When was the last time any disease was “cured?” And Hillary is RIGHT THERE in the elite’s circle, selling out the American people to wealthy corporations who use her and many others to shape and dictate policy in America. You wouldn’t have heard any of these remarks if it wasn’t an election year. She deserves no credit for what she has supposedly done. The truth is, the gay community pulled together, along with a handful of compassionate celebrities who donated and brought in enormous amounts of money to the cause for us to be at the point we are at today. The response to the AIDS crisis happened in an unbelievably short period of time when compared to other epidemics in history, but it was not because of this corrupt, scandalous politician. The Clinton Administration did not even acknowledge what it was doing to the gay community, as evidenced by the use of Ryan White as the poster boy for the federal grant, which was not the face of AIDS. Those who are still suffering deserve the CURE, not a band-aid that keeps them dependent on hepato/nephrotoxic medications to control!

    • Mark

      Of course caitlyn still contends Hillary is not on our side – – idiot……

    • Gerry Fisher

      Yeah, her handlers sure can write.

    • Robincho

      Everyone makes mistakes. But for reasons too numerous to mention, this here is why “we” are better than “they” are…

    • Orion Satori

      If Hillary thought that Trump’s way would get her the democrat votes she wants, she’d grab her crotch and tell everyone to suck it.

    • ReadWryt

      Can you imagine if this were actually an apology? That would have been cool! Not just an admission of error and then a full page about what awesome things SHE did about AIDS…maybe use the words, “I’m Sorry”?? That would have been really cool!

    • studd55

      Yep Hillary did surpass that lowest of the low bar in trying to recover from her disastrously detailed and extended fabrication of the Reagan’s response (aka non response) to the AIDS Epidemic.

  • trex

    This is so much better. Really glad she did this and appreciate the specifics. I accept her apology. But she still won’t call out the Reagans and mention them by name when she is discussing all the things our government refused to do during the 1980s. The Reagans, as the President and First Lady, have some real personal responsibility for what went wrong and for the tens of thousands who died during their watch. She should have pointed to their specific and personal malfeasance to correct the very specific praise she gave them.

    • No. This was neither the time nor the place, and it would have been completely out of character for her. This was her moment to apologize for her gaffe, to remind everyone of what she and Bill have done, and to lay an outline of what we could expect as HIV/AIDS policy from her administration. Given another opportunity to address the subject, in an appropriate forum, you would likely see a frank appraisal of the Reagan era from her – and still keep it classy. Hyperbole and viciousness are not her style, unless she’s under direct attack by a bunch of lying hypocrites like during the Senate hearing. Even then it was more a mother’s scold, than the usual b.s.

      • treeesq

        Sorry, but if it was “in character” for her to fuck up the history that badly I think you have an obligation to specifically and clearly correct it. Too many people don’t know the history, and laying blame on the Reagans does not require any hyperbole or viciousness–it is simply the truth. But as I said, really glad she did this and I completely accept the apology.

        • Jeffrey

          Yeah, after a 94 year old lady’s funeral, that would be a great time to rip her to shreds. That would just be awesome…if you’re a fucking monster.

          • treeesq

            When did telling the truth and stating a few facts equal “rip her to shreds”? I’m betting you were in diapers when Nancy did what she did. You need to learn some history. Start by Googling Nancy Reagan and Rock Hudson.The only monster is that 94 year old woman.

          • Jeffrey

            I am 45 and I remember what the Reagan’s were like. I know that she was monstrous. However, I stand by my statement that this isn’t the time and Hillary shouldn’t be the person to do it.

          • Ninja0980

            She also did good for the people of NY as well, something so many folks wanting to rip her apart don’t know or care about.

          • Bad Tom

            Criticizing the dead at their own funeral by anyone, let alone candidates for high office, is a hideous breach of protocol.

            The best Clinton could have done would be to avoid the subject altogether. .Given that she didn’t, her retraction is first class.

        • Timothy Wade Corder

          She doesnt know the history because she DOESNT CARE! She doesnt care about gays, children, vets, servicemen, or any Americans. She is a heartless piece of human garbage who will do and say anything to get elected. The fact that even ONE person would be stupid enough to vote for her after all she has done is an embarassment to everything America stands for. Not that gay people have a protected right to get married, but she said years ago that she was against it. Now she’s for it. She!s so entrenched in her lies, and you fools are just as entrenched by giving her your blind trust and support. There is notjing she could do that would be bad enough to change your brainwashed minds. So sick!

    • Reality.Bites

      The Reagans are dead. And thank goodness for that. I can say that because I’m not running for office and if anyone thinks poorly of me for disrespecting the dead, I couldn’t care less.

      But she is running for office. Calling out a dead man who left office a generation ago can only hurt her.

  • David Milley

    This has been an emotional couple of days. So glad to see this.

    • 5moreminutes*imtired

      Agreed. BUT more dialougue. More campaigne awareness. More platform visibility. This could be a game changer. I hope hope hope it is.

      • David Milley

        Ongoing engagement will tell the tale. For now, I’m glad to see a move in the direction of constructive dialogue, a chance for the two Democratic candidates to shed light on our concerns, as they have done for Flint. I think Bernie’s already there, and I see this as Hilary tacking in the right direction.

        I’m just afraid that the Trump dumpster fire will set the entire political landscape alight first …

        • 5moreminutes*imtired

          The thing about Bernie that sticks in my craw, is that FREE HEALTH CARE does not address the current AIDS crisis specifically. He’s too eager to box and compartmentalize issues into “AIDS!?! Well thats covered under Medicare for all” Sometimes, you need to address things specifically. My 2 cents anyway.

          • Chuck in PA

            I don’t get what you are saying? You are not being specific about why AIDS should be treated less or more than any other condition.

  • melllt

    Well, I guess that makes it all better. I’m assuming someone on her staff googled something. And now all is right in the world.

  • bryan

    Cruz, Trump and Rubio lie, and double down on their lies because it benefits them. And their deluded followers are so accustomed to the lies that they cheer them on. Mrs Clinton did not lie. She made a mistake. A mistake that did not benefit her. At a time when there was searching to say something decent about a woman who had died. This is a genuine apology, And a genuine learning curve, not just for her..but for many who did not know what the tragedy of the Reagan / Thatcher era did to our community.

  • That is what I’ve been waiting for. Disappointed as I was at the gaffe, I accepted the original apology. She knew better, and I knew better than to accept that what she said was anything more than a mistake. But I’ve been waiting and hoping that she would come back with more.
    Hillary’s an eloquent, forceful speaker when she needs to be – and has a way of cutting through the chaff that is both sharp and elegant. Something she proved very publicly during that Benghazi farce. I’m very glad to see that talent resurface here.

    • David Milley

      And while she makes mistakes, she’s also really good at turning them into teachable moments. This apology provides a chance to keep the HIV/AIDS discussion in front of people who’d rather forget about it, in terms that mark its gravity.

  • lymis

    Well said.

    Other politicians and public figures should take this as an example of what an apology looks like – not just an “I’m sorry if people were offended” and not just “I misspoke, let’s move on.”

    She stepped into a buzzsaw largely of her own making, and instead of going on the defensive, took steps to issue a meaningful correction. And since I doubt she pulled those names out of her own memory (or she never would have made the error in the first place) it shows she’s capable of educating herself or enlisting informed people to educate her – and either one is critical in a President.

    • Timothy Wade Corder

      It is actually done in hopes of fooling simple-minded people into believing she actually gives 2 craps about them, and hoping it will overshadow the BIG issues where she had lied and tried to cover up her guilt, and you are all visual aids to show just how easy it is.

  • Akrontru

    Congratulations to whomever wrote that.

  • DaddyRay

    Brava Hillary for the mea culpa and taking the opportunity to use your bully pulpit to highlight that the fight is not over

  • djcoastermark

    I really like that. Someone who is not afraid to say, I was mistaken. The world needs more of us to acknowledge, that while one may have a position, sometimes one may be wrong, and admit it, and move on in the right direction.

  • Brad Lathem

    Kudos to her, really! I’m a Bernie supporter (who will vote blue, no matter who!) but this is just the sort the sort of thing that makes any democrat smile – the party of reason on display. She made a mistake, quickly admitted she was wrong. If all politics were done like this, there would barely be any significant conflict at all.

    -Brad Lathem

    • Chucktech

      Besides, she was only trying to say something nice at that old crone’s funeral. Apology totally accepted.

  • 5moreminutes*imtired

    I was juat scrambling over to JMG to off topic post this. AS IF joe wouldn’t have already been on top of it. :0) I apologize. And I love my girl. Would any candidate have been talking about this otherwise. THANK YOU HILLARY. As an HIV+ gay man who deals with this issue every day, this will only help the cause. I love her even more today

    • nycmcmike

      Wow, you just love how she’ll say anything and then apologize when it doesn’t go over well.

      • 5moreminutes*imtired

        Give it a rest. Cool the bern a bit, man.

        • nycmcmike

          Yes, let’s cool it on one of the only politicians who voted against DADT.

          • 5moreminutes*imtired

            I hope you’ll be as enthusiastic for Hillary in Nov. You know, as a senator who voted with your savior 93% of the time.

          • nycmcmike

            I personally would rather vote for Trump – at least I know what he says is what comes from his heart unlike Hillary who will say WHATEVER IT TAKES if she thinks it’ll gain her more power.

            I can trust Trump to say what’s really on his mind.

          • Reality.Bites

            Yes, sincere hate is far more admirable than normal politics.

            What a fuckwad piece of shit you are – and that comes from the heart.

          • nycmcmike

            You really, really don’t get how Trump is playing the GOP crowd, do you?

          • 5moreminutes*imtired

            Hahahahahabahahahahah *gasp* hahahahahaha

          • John Avignone

            You, personally, are a fucking moron.

          • nycmcmike

            Takes one to know one Bubba.

            I guess you haven’t figure out the game Trump is playing with the GOP.

            And, of course I would vote for Hillary “just in case.” But you are the true fucking moron if you think you can trust in one bit

          • John Avignone

            Fuck off, troll boy. You’ll have to get your fix of desperately needed attention elsewhere.

          • nycmcmike

            Uh, I don’t think you grasp how much attention I’ve gotten in my life.

            I am, in no way, shape nor form, in no need of any more.

          • 5moreminutes*imtired

            Game? He’s gaming YOU, fool!

          • tcinsf

            And with that comment you demonstrate clearly that you are a clueless, petulant, childish horses’ ass with nothing to contribute to an adult conversation.

          • nycmcmike

            So says the dog.

            Give it up.

          • tcinsf

            Nah, your comment history for quite awhile has demonstrated that you’re a complete ass.

          • nycmcmike

            Ahh,

            So odd. I don’t even remember yours.

          • 5moreminutes*imtired
          • nycmcmike

            You really don’t quite get it, do you.

            You know who I am.

            I have no idea who you are.

            Have you ever met the Social Climbing Ladder or have you never, ever, even seen one?

          • Sean Williams

            You do that man.

          • nycmcmike

            Thanks for the permission.

            I was really, really looking for it.

          • Sean Williams

            Oh I see. You were just wanting attention. Glad I could help.

          • nycmcmike

            From you?

            Have you looked in the mirror at any point in the past 15 years?

          • 5moreminutes*imtired

            Haha vote for Trump. As if Id give a single fuck about anything you’d say after typing “I’ll vote for Trump”. Breitbart calls, troll. Go be with your people.

          • nycmcmike

            Geez, yes, I’d really vote for Trump.

            It’s a sad case when you have to think about who would be worse for the country.

          • 5moreminutes*imtired

            Then I hope Hillarys inauguration really burns a hole in your head, troll. Peace be with you!

          • nycmcmike

            I guess you didn’t notice how Bernie just pulled off one of the biggest upsets in our recent political history, eh?

          • 5moreminutes*imtired

            Then what are you so worried about. What is the point of you tamtrum here? Be gone, troll!

          • nycmcmike

            Worried?

            Who said I was worried?

            Uh, look up the definition of “Projection” buddy.

          • 5moreminutes*imtired

            You’re the one pestering like a gnat here, buddy. I didn’t originally comment on your post…

          • nycmcmike

            You really, really need to come up with a better avatar than a dog because even a dog would have better debating skills.

          • 5moreminutes*imtired

            Bill Perdue!?! That cant be you, right? Where’s the posted links no one clicks on!

          • nycmcmike

            I have no idea on WTF you’re talking about.

          • Reality.Bites

            Or indeed, what you’re talking about either

          • nycmcmike

            Dude, take your head out of your ass because you haven’t a clue up there at all.

          • 5moreminutes*imtired
          • JCF

            5more, please take it down a notch.

            https://drawception.com/pub/panels/2012/5-2/prmF1ODeGA-6.png

            Remember!!!

          • sherman

            Remember that he was responding to someone who said Hillary would put us in a convection oven if it was politically expedient.

          • JCF

            “someone who said”: Killfile is my friend. 😉

          • Lazycrockett
          • treeesq

            That is truly insane. Clinton with all her faults is so much better for LGBT folks,and every other minority group, than Trump.

          • nycmcmike

            Have you noticed how Trump has NOT come out against the LGBT community?

            You guys aren’t really good at logic, are you???

            He’ll say WHATEVER he thinks will rile up that GOP base about ANYONE yet he hasn’t done so with the LGBT community even tho it would gain him the “love” of that crowd even more.

            It’s crazy you guys can’t see how THIS is what proves he’s playing them like the fools they are.

          • 5moreminutes*imtired

            Hahahahahahha *gasp* Hahahahhaha at you. He’ll say whatever he thinks. Thats kinda the problem. Hahahaha

          • Max_1

            Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2016/Gay rights
            https://ballotpedia.org/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016/Gay_rights

          • Jeffrey

            Actually, yes he has. He has threatened marriage equality and he did so by telling evangelicals that he would stack the supreme court in favor of doing so.

          • Cackalaquiano

            ^This. Right up there^

          • Jeffrey

            Then you are a moron.

          • sherman

            “I can trust Trump to say what’s really on his mind.”

            I’m sorry I spent any time responding to you. As Jeffrey says just below this, you really are a moron.

          • Oh, so you’re cool with electing an avowed fascist autocrat who has been on a months long malignant narcissistic bender. Because “a guy who speaks his mind” is better than Clinton. Not just cool with the idea, you’d affirmatively cast your vote to make that happen.

            You don’t care what vile poison is in that man’s mind. Just that he’s open about his rank bigotry, xenophobia, and obvious eagerness to torture people he doesn’t like.

            Wow. Well, thanks for participating in my personal litmus test as to what constitutes a decent human being. I’m sure you can guess the results.

          • Eric in Oakland

            So which is it? He’s saying what’s really on his mind or he’s playing the GOP crowd? Those are contradictory positions.

          • johnny

            In the senate to be sure. But not as a warmongering SOS.

          • 5moreminutes*imtired

            Pro-dictator then? Its amazing the pretzles you have to twist yourself into to oppose her. AND Obama. Ass.

          • MB

            You seem nice.

            (Good grief.)

          • sherman

            Voting against DADTDP was to maintain the existing policy, which was if you were gay you were not allowed to serve. Bill Clinton campaigned on allowing people to serve openly, but military leaders and a huge majority of even Democrats in congress opposed it. DADTDP ended the witch hunts.

          • Steven Leahy

            Correct although I’d make one small alteration… “INTENDED to end the with hunts”

  • nycmcmike

    Wow, can you seriously NOT see how she will say ANYTHING it takes to move her political career forward?

    It is embarrassing to be part of the LGBT community when we have those who support someone like her who will SCREW YOU OVER IN A HEARTBEAT if it means she gains political points from it.

    Unreal we have some in our crowd who do not support Bernie 110%.

    • Reality.Bites

      People like you are why I can’t support him at all.

      • nycmcmike

        Trust me. People like me having NOTHING to do with your love fest for her.

      • nycmcmike

        btw, please explain to me the logic of NOT supporting one of the only politicians who did NOT vote for DADT.

        • SophieCT

          DADT was all the Dept of Defense was giving and what we had before DADT was truly horrific.
          Signed,
          A pre-DADT Navy vet

          • nycmcmike

            Seriously???

            You’re really going there?

            Bernie did NOT support it because he was in FAVOR of letting gay and lesbians serve in the military.

          • Steven Leahy

            DADT was intended as a compromise. It sucked in reality, and in some ways was used against LG service members, but was meant as a “we just won’t ask or talk about it” rather than the pre-DADT active and forcible tactics used to keep us out or boot us out.

          • sherman

            What a pathetically ignorant statement. You seriously don’t understand the issue at all.

          • Steven Leahy

            Same here! Agree with your statement as likewise a pre-DADT Navy vet.

        • Because no modern politician with experience has a perfect record on LGBT civil rights, not even the guy I support, who as recently as 2006 argued for ‘separate but (un)equal’ civil unions for gay and lesbian couples in Vermont. And he further said marriage was a ‘states rights’ issue.

      • Doug105

        Not any better really, if it was tRump than you would have a horrible man supported by horrible people.
        Instead of just a supporter behaving badly.
        Just saying.

      • JCF

        Please don’t judge Bernie by his supporters.

    • Doug105
    • I’m a Sanders supporter and fully intend to vote for him in my state’s primary, but if Secretary Clinton is the Democratic party nominee, I will gladly cast a vote for her, with a clear conscience.

      I also haven’t forgotten how, back in the day, Sanders argued that gay and lesbian couples should have to settle for civil unions.

      Personally, I thought Clinton’s apology was both classy, admitting she’d made a bad mistake, and very well done.

      • Ninja0980

        That to me is my biggest problem with some folks about Bernie.
        Yes, he was miles ahead of other folks but when push came to shove, he didn’t endorse full marriage equality (even though he was likely supportive of it all along) until he felt it was safe for him to do so, just like Biden, Obama and Clinton did.

    • Steven Leahy

      I think we can still support Bernie 110% and acknowledge when she did a good thing. I thought she was just gonna let it go and walk away, and she pleasantly surprised me and didn’t. We (LGBT people) are not an enormous voting bloc, yet she still came back with a real apology, swiftly. I can accept that.

      • nycmcmike

        The problem with Hillary if attacking the LGBT community was going to gain her more votes than not she’d be suggesting sending us all to convection ovens.

        • sherman

          I down voted this comment. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are disgusting.

      • ultragreen

        I was happy to accept her apology, but was compelled to point out some other misleading things that she has said recently (see my earlier comment). Hillary’s campaign has been a never-ending stream of misinformation recently, particularly in regards to Bernie Sanders.

    • Joe

      Agreed

    • sherman

      I don’t think there is anything she could say that would appease you. Bernie could say the exact same thing and you would praise it.

      Where is the outrage over Bernie’s praise of Nancy? “Nancy Reagan was an exemplary first lady. A devoted partner, she was her husband’s most trusted advisor and, as such, served our country well [Note, his most trusted advisor didn’t get him to do anything on AIDS.]. Even after her time in the White House, she was an outspoken advocate for stem-cell research to find a cure for Alzheimer’s. Nancy Reagan had a good heart, and she will be dearly missed.

      I have no doubt if Hillary had said that exact thing, you would be criticizing her.

      I’m leaning towards voting for Bernie on Tuesday, but I’m totally disgusted with some of his supporters.

      • Steven Leahy

        I am tired of the hypocrisy and double standards we see throughout this website and depending on the candidate, agenda, and issue. I see it on all sides. Most of us, hopefully, area reasonable and willing to acknowledge the truth for what it is.

        In which state are you voting? 🙂 I hope you vote BERN. But, regardless of which Dem is selected, we need to back that person 100%.

        • sherman

          Ohio.

          About a month ago, I disagreed with someone who said that most of the attacks here were coming from Bernie supporters. I said it was coming from both sides.

          Since then though I’ve changed my mind. The attacks on her character and motivation are so over the top I think Bernie would call them out. He is a class individual, a lot of his supporters are an embarrassment.

          • Steven Leahy

            Most of us are good people who just want a different and better future. Please don’t let that sway your opinion. I think there are extremists who just turn into obnoxious buffoons on any side of any issue.

          • There are times like these when I’m embarrassed to be a Sanders supporter. Not for anything the Senator has done, but because the anti-Clinton attacks read like they’re from Redstate or Breitbart. Or, in this case, the Log Cabin Republicans.

          • Jeffrey

            Becca, I have posted again and again a NY Times article about the attacks on Hillary that were paid for by conservative PAC American Pathways to attack Hillary via Sanders supporters. Its a real thing and the article was from May last year.

          • I know, I’ve seen the article you mention. I have, upon occasion, witnessed Clinton supporters unfairly savaging Sanders and his supporters. It does happen. I got into an angry exchange a few weeks back with some asshole who barked that we all had to fall in line and support Clinton starting right then, weeks before Super Tuesday, simply because she’d done well in the first four primaries/caucuses.

            But Christ, nothing seems to compare to the sheer viciousness I’ve seen directed at Clinton, regardless what she does or says. And it’s not from the Republicans.

          • Jeffrey

            You are correct, the attacks on Clinton have been far worse and it is infuriating.

          • Lazycrockett

            The thing is if you were Hillary in 08 all this negativity just washes off of you cause you’re use to it. 08 was no picnic for Hillary supporters, trust me. Racist was thrown around way more than it should have been.

          • Reality.Bites

            I still contend that, given how suddenly they showed up here and how uninterested they are in any other topic of discussion, that most of the obnoxious ones are not his supporters at all. Perhaps, at most they’re angry individuals who’ve parked their anger in his camp. But they sure as fuck aren’t Democrats. I’m not worried about their threats to not support Clinton. They were never going to vote for the Democratic nominee. Ever.

    • Jeffrey

      Voting Hillary, all the way.

    • sherman

      I think the majority of us are embarrassed to have you as a part of the LGBT community. I think we could raise enough money to send you to reparative therapy, if only it worked.

    • Hip Byroads

      People don’t want to see. Better remain blind. Ignorance is bliss.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    So Republicans get to say the most racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, jingoistic things they can manage to vomit forth from their feeble minds and their poll numbers go up.

    A Democrat, by comparison, says something that, by comparison, is pretty benign and now has to spend days apologizing?

    Things are really fucked up. The Right Wing always get a pass for their violent rhetoric. Fuck them. Fuck them hard. I’ve had it with their shit.

    • Amen to all of that.

    • FLL

      Well said and about time someone said it. Brava.

    • DesertSun59

      Nicely said.

    • SFBruce

      Thank you. If Clinton is the nominee, which seems likely, she’ll still be an imperfect candidate, and for many progressives, extremely so. But before you sit this one out, or vote for some third party candidate, imagine any of the Republican candidates appointing several Supreme Court Justices.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        I am voting for the Democrat. That’s not up for debate.

        • johncAtl

          I’ll even vote for Sanders if he’s the nominee, even though he’s not a Democrat.

          • ColdCountry

            He may not be a Democrat, but at least he’s not a Republican.

        • SFBruce

          I never intended to suggest you’d do otherwise; I think you make a lot of sense. When I said, “Before you sit this one out,” I didn’t mean you, Rebecca, I meant “you” in the anyone not thrilled with Clinton sense.

      • And if Sanders is the nominee, which is still possible, he’ll still be an imperfect candidate, and for many progressives, extremely so (etc. etc.)

        Same deal: Whoever the Democratic nominee is, he or she gets my vote. Without reservation. And every other Democrat on my state’s ballot.

        • unsavedheathen

          I hear you and I’m with you… 99%.

          But I don’t think I can vote for my congresswoman(D) again. I’m pretty sure that she is borderline senile and is being dressed and fed by her inner circle. It’s killing me because no worthy opponent has appeared.

          • Yeah, but she’ll caucus with the Dems and her staffers will probably continue to manage her. I agree, if she’s that bad, someone should challenge her or she should retire or whatever.

          • GayOldLady

            A senile Dem is better than any Repub any day.

          • Representative Louie Gohmert, the world’s stupidest politician.

            Yeah, I’d take a senile Democrat over that rabid howler monkey any day of the week.

          • MB

            Hell, I’d vote for a dead democrat over Gohmert-pyle
            He arr az dumm az a haff-mptee boxe o’ rox.

          • I wasn’t always this way and I may not be again…but in 2016, I am a Yellow Dog Democrat. Proudly so, given the Republicans have determined to be as monstrous as possible and appear to be on the cusp of nominating an avowed fascist for President.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_dog_Democrat

          • Doug105

            Much As I hate to bring this up: Ruben Diaz

          • sherman

            Yes, even Bernie. The Weekend at Bernie’s Bernie.

          • Cboulder

            I hear you, we are stuck having to vote against John ” climate change is a hoax because God said he wouldn’t flood the world again” Shimkus, so I can sympathize

          • Chucktech

            No, gawd won’t fuck the Earth again. This time He’ll let us do it…

      • Cackalaquiano

        So, so important.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      On a happy note, trying to kill the pain, I’ve just opened a wonderful bottle of wine from my collection. $150 in restaurants but what I paid is far less.

      Ahhh. Wine! One of the great advantages to being human.

      I have one bottle in my collection that the French Laundry sells for $900. I spent far less than that and it’s been aging in perfect conditions for over a decade. I’m opening that one on my 50th Birthday in 10 1/2 months. 🙂

      Cheers everyone!!!

      • johncAtl

        What are you drinking? I just opened a bottle of Caymus Cabernet.

        • Rebecca Gardner

          Stags Leap S.L.V.

          • johncAtl

            Nice. I’ve tried a couple of different wines by Stags Leap.

          • Rebecca Gardner

            Stags Leap Cask23, S.L.V., Fay 50, and Artemis are my favorites and a big part of my collection,.

          • JCF

            Well, I just finished off a bottle of Charles Shaw Cab, so we’re even. ;-p~~~

          • johncAtl

            It’s too expensive in Atlanta. Because of state liquor taxes it’s three buck Chuck.

          • MB

            Try Trader Joe’s Viñas Chilenas label. Excellent varieties for 4.49-4.99 and so much better than 3 buck chuck.

          • Philip Marks

            Been Three buck chuck in Arizona for a decade or more, I always assumed it was due to transportation costs…I also heard they raised the price in Cali anyway…

          • JCF

            It’s $2.49 Chuck in Cali. (Well, in Sacra-tomato anyway)

          • Philip Marks

            I prefer the Charles Shaw pignio grigio though the Zinfandel is quite nice.

          • Bad Tom

            Stags Leap is an excellent vintner.
            ——-
            It really does pay to find those gems in the retail store, and put them in a cellar for a year or five.

        • Rebecca Gardner

          Oh Goodness this is lovely. One glass is taking forever to drink because you just want to savor it. I hope you are having as much fun with you Caymus.

          P.S. – If I sound over excited in my last few posts I think the 100mg of Tramadol I took this morning is still in my system enough to make the wine hit me hard. I hope I’ve said nothing stupid.

          On that note. Good night everyone.

          • johncAtl

            Good night, good dreams….and get well.

          • 5moreminutes*imtired

            Good night! There’s more wine where that came from, i hope! :0)

          • MB

            Good night Rebecca. Rest well and don’t forget to change your clocks. 🙂

          • Philip Marks

            Only if they want to change that’s my motto.

          • bkmn

            Rest well Rebecca. I hope you are feeling better soon!

      • Jeffrey

        I am sipping some Schramsburg Blanc de Noir as we speak. Hubs is out of town and Im having a party with my dachshunds.

        • madknits

          Dachshunds? Squeee! Best dogs evah! I used to have 2 of them, but my ex kept them when we broke up, and then wouldn’t let me see them again. I don’t miss him, but I still miss them, Best dogs for silliness.

      • Richard, another Canuck

        And I just opened an Amarone. Cheers!

      • Cackalaquiano

        All you folks are so much more sophisticated than I am! I was ecstatic to have crossed state lines yesterday and found a Trader Joes that sells two-buck Chuck (now three bucks apparently, and not sold in TJs in my state). I’ve stocked up for a little while!

    • Joe knows who I am.

      They’re held to a higher standard. That’s not a bad thing. It’s what we fight for. I think it’s clear that Republicans have no standards.

    • Jeffrey

      Thank you, that is absolutely right. Ive never seen any republican react this quickly and decisively to a mistake and yet she still gets torn apart.

    • Brad Lathem

      This could be an issue that unites democrats for Hillary.

      • OZ_in_TX

        *snort* Not very likely.

    • Chuck in PA

      Maybe because I am 50 years old and lived through the Reagan presidency and the early years of AIDS, I consider it not benign. She should have known better, especially someone running for President.

      • Steven Leahy

        Agree, it wasn’t a “benign” issue. I really don’t think it was an intentional slight, as we all say and do stupid things at some point in our lives, but definitely not benign and yes, hard to see how this came out the way it did.

    • Jafafa Hots

      God forbid Democrats hold themselves to a higher standard…

    • Gerry Fisher

      Rewriting history using Republican talking points is not benign. “Not as bad as the Republicans” is not an appropriate measuring stick.

    • Timothy Wade Corder

      Nothing I said was violent. Nothing I said was vulgar. And vomit doesn’t come from the mind, except maybe in your case. Go ahead and vote for Hillary Clinton. The democratic party has been exposed for the corruption and damage they have done. Now you guys are bitter and angry that you got duped by your “leaders.” I understand, they had me fooled for years too, but I got smart, stopped having blind loyalty to a party, and started thinking critically, and by that I mean actually paying attention, getting my info from more than one place, and considering what motivates people. You don’t sound too much like someone I would want to spend much time listening to. You start out using a lot of big words, then degenerate to cursing and ranting. Good luck with your stupidity and your evil, globalist politicians who you are actually stupid enough think care about you…

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Well, this apology does help.
    Are there any theories on how she made such a terrible gaff in the first place?
    Was she just trying to say something nice about Nancy, and got carried away?
    She must have seen all those SILENCE =DEATH banners and pins and understood the reason behind them.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Lol – I originally misspelled gaffe, using the form gaff for a large hook.
      So that’s how gaffes happen!

      • Reality.Bites

        Well you beat her record for quick apology!

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          Do I have to write a more lengthy one now too?

    • Reality.Bites

      Needless to say, I didn’t watch the funeral. Was she speaking off-the-cuff or from a prepared speech? If a prepared speech, a mistake from her researchers/speechwriters.

      If off the cuff, probably an unfortunate memory lapse. It was, after all, 28 years ago that he left office. And it’s true, if regrettable, that the early days of the epidemic are a distant memory to those who weren’t intimately involved.

      • Lazycrockett

        I will say for a funeral it was rather upbeat. Ronnie Jr. looked like the weight of the world was off his shoulders.

        • Reality.Bites

          Would have been more upbeat if I was speaking!

        • JCF

          I don’t doubt the weight of their Darling Mother was off BOTH of Ron & Patti’s shoulders! O_o

        • MB

          The Presiding Interim Vicar from Washington National Cathedral (Episcopal) did a very nice job for a non-Episcopalian/Episcopalian funeral service. At least by planning this whole service out in advance and choosing the people Nancy and RR wanted to serve/preside/speak etc., they relieved the rest of the family of that craziness and fighting that happens all too often in planning funerals, that I see when I serve/play for funerals in the Episcopal church.

          Sometimes families are SOOOO divided they sit on opposite sides of the aisle and not a word of kindness is shared between them – you can feel the hostility and bitterness. That is just so sad and childish when folks are supposed to be celebrating the life and sharing happy, silly, loving/wonderful memories of the departed. When my mother died 5 years ago, my !$#@!! sisters changed the date of her service -which was 2000 miles away – and didn’t tell me (purposely). so I was unable to get there.
          That’s family for ya.

          • You need to prepare some used condoms to leave to your sisters in your will.

    • Bruno

      My feeling is somehow she had it in her head that the Reagans were good on the issue. She had to deal with them diplomatically often I’m sure and liked them as people, so probably just made a bad connection. Her advocacy obviously didn’t go deep enough to encounter the truth as our community saw it regarding the Reagans in the 80s. She’s been ignorant. Now, she knows.

  • Patrick

    ‘I launched a campaign to usher in an AIDS-free generation…’ To be clear, she announced this ‘campaign’ two months before she left office. In effect, she wants credit for leaving a memo for her successor.

  • Matt M

    Amen.

  • Dale Snyder

    Leave it to Mrs. Clinton to make sure in no uncertain terms she was dead wrong.

    Also, leave it to her to make sure that there isn’t one christian Reaganesque teabagger who will call her out on this flip flop, as their hatred of the gay community was just as filthy as Ronald and Nancy Reagans’.

  • DesertSun59

    The apology was well spoken AND I can’t understand why she would have said what she said in the first place. Who was she speaking to? Certainly not us. I suspect she knew what she was doing. This is precisely why I’m beginning to come around to what Bernie supporters are saying about her.

    • Steven Leahy

      I am not gonna lie, I do have trust issues with her, but I don’t see how she had anything to gain whatsoever from this whole thing – and especially with her coming back with the detailed retraction of her statement, I am seriously just thinking she made a major gaffe and fucked up. To be fair, most heterosexuals in the 80’s and 90’s were very removed from the reality and experience of gay people, and especially gay men. I am still shocked she’d be so naive about this, but I don’t see any calculated move here.

      • MB

        I agree. I think she just made a major OOOOPS “holy-crap” flub, on arguably the worst topic she could have. I don’t think there was any malice intended or any other political agenda-thingy involved.

  • ultragreen

    Thank-you Hillary for the nice apology.

    While you’re giving out apologies, it would be nice if you would also apologize to Bernie Sanders for making the false claim, earlier this weak, that he was nowhere in sight when you were attempting to extend health care coverage to more Americans in 1993. In fact, you consulted with Bernie Sanders and sent him a thank-you note for his work on health care. At this time, you agreed with Bernie Sanders that there was a “convincing case” for making single-payer health care a reality. But now, both you and Chelsea are attacking Bernie Sanders Medicare-for-All plan. It seems you have flip-flopped on this issue.

    https://theintercept.com/2016/01/16/in-1993-meeting-hillary-clinton-acknowledged-convincing-case-for-single-payer/

    http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-health-care-thank-you

    • OZ_in_TX

      Oh I have no doubt she’ll be asked this very question at the next debate – *with* the actual photos that made her claim such a laughingstock. I also have no doubt she won’t be nearly so forthcoming with her apology then.

  • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

    Refreshing. A presidential candidate who admits to a mistake and apologizes. You wouldn’t see that happening on the Rethug side.

    • johncAtl

      Well, to be completely fair they don’t make mistakes. They lie. And when called out they double down on the lie.

      • 5moreminutes*imtired

        Obama caused the riot, etc etc etc

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          Oh no, haven’t you heard the latest? Trump is blaming Bernie Sanders for the violence at his rallies now.

          • Sanders the avowed Communist — if Trump is to be believed*.

            * = No, he’s not. Trump is a pathological liar.

          • Rillion

            Blaming the Communists… when ever did a facist leader blame the Communists for the violence?

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            Trump is an honest man. Hillary and Obama are the liars. All the rhetoric put out to hurt Trump is being disproven, and all of this is only making support for him stronger. I pity you people because I used to be in your position, believing that Republicans were evil, and Democrats cared about people. I educated myself and discovered that i had been a blind supporter and follower of one of the most evil and destructive agendas in the history of all of humanity. You all owe it to yourselves and the next generation to dig deeper, because you are so, so wrong!

      • Timothy Wade Corder

        Blown awau that you idiots support Hillary Clinton and in the same breath talk about how the other side lies. You are all walking through life blind as bats. I woke up from the left induced coma I was in, and am so happy to be awake now. It takes looking at things from both sides to be able to understand why either is right or wrong. Many of you think you have, but you havent. There is a globalist takeover in progress that threatens the entire human race. The left is driving this attack on us, and making you all believe the opposite. They say ignorance is bliss, and while I see that that applies to most of you, it wasn’t enough for me. People are waking up all over America and the world, as I did, and I’m sure many of you will eventually, too. Be independent thinkers, queston everything, and keep an open mind and you will see that what they’ve been telling us is all part of the plan to destablize the United States and weaken our middle class. By supporting the left, it is FACT that you are assisting our enemy in our own destruction.

    • Ore Carmi

      You’re right. But also, how often have we seen apologies from Sanders?

  • MB

    This was a beautiful tribute and a nice apology, though a tad too politically nuanced for my taste, to some of the millions who fought, battled, marched, struggled, developed protocols because the government would not, wept, screamed in agony and/or in fits of anger and rage, wasted away in abject loneliness, endured the most extreme suffering needlessly while only our most beautifully courageous and kind allies lovers/partners and friends held our hands. We were despised, outcast, and in my view tortured and rejected by an willfully hate-filled, ignorant and indifferent society – beyond all human reason – adding insult and needless pain and sorrow to the horrific misery that we and all of the beautiful souls we lost endured.

    I will NEVER forget that.

    I am so grateful for those unwavering, wonderful friends of ours who just answered the call for whatever was needed 24/7. They helped me survive two very early near-death bouts of horrid debilitating sickness, and it has been 30 years of survival in October for me. Thanks to all Gods, Fates, ghosties, deities, and spirits of Goodness, researchers, doctors and modern medicine that I have NOT been sick, at all, these past 27 years. I am so very, very, very fortunate, I know.
    I’m still working on the forgiveness part of the equation for those who did abandon me with such vitriolic hatred, and my family who rejected me – and I may not get that whole forgiveness thing completely accomplished in my lifetime. Some days, the memories and grief from our collective and personal losses tries to come rushing back in once again as unwelcome visitors.

    Thankfully though, I have great friends now, and a solid faith in a greater power of goodness (name it whatever you so choose) , the beauty of nature all around me, and I have my indescribably inspiring and beautiful organ music…which is also what helped me to fight and survive and live for a better future.

    Okay, I’m done. ..(le, sigh)…………..thanks for listening , my friends and fierce fellow flying monkeys.

  • josephsinger

    I can understand respect, but making the absolutely false statement about the Reagan’s response to the AIDS crisis is a little astounding. Hillary is a bright person and if she did not she should have known that making the original statement she made would look pretty bad since facts show that the Reagans were extremely slow in addressing the AIDS crisis.

  • DutchBoy74

    Nice apology.

    Now ante up. Lay out a concrete plan to rid this planet of HIV. No more words. I want actions.

    • 5moreminutes*imtired

      Its called google, sweetie. Use it.

      • DutchBoy74

        Lowering the costs of drugs is not finding or funding a cure / vaccine.

        Lots of Africa – what about here?

        • I see. Unless Hillary Clinton personally oversees the immediate eradication of a disease which has stymied the world’s best virologists for more than a generation, she’s 100% evil. Got it.

          So, what’s Sanders’ concrete plan to rid the world of HIV? I’ve looked all over his website, since as a supporter of his I like to represent his positions accurately, and see roughly the same language as Clinton.

          • Jeffrey

            That is literally what he is saying. She misspoke and now she must cure the actual disease herself and then give away the cure for free. Its never enough for some people.

          • MB

            Well then, dabgummit, she BETTER fix this terribly inconvenient climate change thingy too. I have HAD it with this on again/off again drought, flooding, tornadoes, rise in ocean temperatures/hurricanes…………….
            It is so damn HARD to plan my vacations around these….it is simply maddening and must STOP. What the hell ELSE does she have to do anyway…she’s just a woman ?????

            Geesh.

          • disQusTed

            If you keep missing meetings you will never get your turn with the Big Gay Weather Machine. I always set Seattle on 80 and sunny before I visit.

          • DutchBoy74

            Best chance of seeing Mount Rainer floating above the trees over there. I was stationed in Bermerton for 4 years while in the Navy. Seattle is the best “big city” in America IMO. Wonderful individual spirit there. Outstanding views. Too bad a shotty mortgage got me slapped back in Michigan and I have my family over here. Otherwise I would love to live in Seattle rather than under the shadow of Emperor Snyder here.

          • Lazycrockett

            Well that’s what Bernie tells them he would do so?

          • Ninja0980

            I spent the past day arguing with some of them.
            All I’ll say is this, they are no different then the teabaggers, they truly aren’t.

          • DutchBoy74

            This isn’t about Clinton vs Sanders. This is about pushing our potential leaders to do the right thing instead of kicking the can down the road. She had an opening there.

            If you want to get into Sander’s plan that single payer will do the same if not more than Clinton’s plan to lower costs and increase access to treatment.

            Yes we should be pushing all candidates towards the goal of vaccine / cure of HIV. Absolutely.

          • johncAtl

            Unless we win the presidency, and gain the majority in the Senate and the House single payer will never make it to a vote. What we have now with the ACA isn’t perfect, but it’s a good start. If the Republicans win the presidency, and retain control of Congress it will be repealed.

          • DutchBoy74

            I would rather give it a shot than be dismissive of it and waste 4-8 years of our lives lamenting about the ACA. I know that at least a Bernie Sanders presidency will absolutely NOT repeal ACA and have a best supreme court nominees. I would rather try and fail than to not try at all. This primary season is that chance.

            Trump is backwards. Clinton is staying put. Sanders is moving forward. I’m tried of staying put and we’re not getting any younger.

    • Jeffrey

      Um you want Hillary to cure AIDS because she misspoke?

      • MB

        I simply CANNOTunderstand WHY she hasn’t cured cancer either.
        /snark 😉

        • DaddyRay

          I stubbed my toe today … Thanks Hillary

          • MB

            Damn that Obama, he just wants us all to die from AIDS while we’re trying to have all of our ass-babies.
            Thanks a LOT, Obama….I’m NOT voting for YOU again in November. Nosirreee.
            Hmmmmmph !!@[email protected]$%!#!

          • Bad Tom

            It’s too soon. You still have to blame Obama.

          • JCF

            LOL

      • DutchBoy74

        Wouldn’t you want a president that will absolutely commit to funding the CDC and other institutions with a clear goal of advancing the goal of an AIDS/ HIV future? Condoms and PreP isn’t going to do this. Nor is lowering costs of current treatment.

        While nice and they can help, they don’t go far enough or bold enough. I don’t expect her to personally wave a magic wand and HIV be gone, but it is well within reason and capacity to set out a path to a vaccine at a minimum.

    • Ore Carmi

      Um, did you actually read the statement? She lays out a bunch of proposals. What about Sanders? Any AIDS or HIV specific proposals from him?

  • that’s nice, but considering all that, how in the fuck does she explain planning and rehearsing, then saying those words on national tv?

  • Jeffrey

    I know many people were waiting for a lengthy apology yesterday, well today she delivered it and in a very straightforward and classy way. Whatever issues people have with her, I hope they read it and feel better about it.

    • Some won’t forgive her no matter what. Unfortunately. Several here have called it nothing but a political ploy, which is just sad.

      • MB

        The not-so-nice nasty political bitchiness here on JMG this past few weeks, is for me, a real deal-breaker. I can completely disagree with someone, but unless they resort to total fuckweaselry, I’ll just close the thread and listen to some great music.

        Pick your battles boyz and grilz. we have REAL enemies out there.

        • Steven Leahy

          Well said. “Fuckweaselry”, LOL, like it,

          • MB

            It’s in MY 1931 edition of Fuck and Wagnalls.
            😉

          • Bad Tom

            “It’s in MY 1931 edition of Fuck and Wagnalls.”
            That is cool.

        • ‘Fuckweaselry’ — I am so stealing that word.

          • MB

            Please do. One word communicates so very much.
            Would it get past the Twitter censors ? (I don’t have the Tweety-thingy account…I’d be on it too much.)

        • JCF

          Aaaaaaamen!

  • m_lp_ql_m

    I prefer her original apology much better.

    “To be clear, the Reagans did not start a national conversation about HIV and AIDS.” – That’s it?! The Reagans did do a LOT of things, a lot of bad things that NEED to be acknowledged, and that the general pubic needs to be reminded/informed of, by “not starting a national conversation.” Nancy deserves NO eulogy.

  • OZ_in_TX

    Much better than apology-by-Tweet, that is for certain. I look forward to seeing her actually *saying* all this on national television at the next debate.

    • Steven Leahy

      Agree. they haven’t really talked about LGBT issues much at all, have they?

      • johncAtl

        What LGBT issues should they be talking about? As long as we elect either Hillary or Bernie we know that we’ll have their support. And we know they’ll nominate Supreme Court justices that don’t base their decisions on the Bible. I personally support Hillary, but we would win with either as president.

        And once the nominees have been selected then LGBT issues need to be discussed. Especially if Cruz is the nominee for the GOP.

        • Steven Leahy

          I’d still like ENDA and a national civil rights amendment discussed. They’re vitally important. It’s also important for national exposure and to build awareness, since there are millions of people watching and these debates are in the media spotlight. Just knowing they’re on our side isn’t always good enough for me.

          • MB

            I thought, once or twice when the importance of SCOTUS appointments has been mentioned, that also passing an inclusive ENDA might get addressed…but It did not happen, sadly.

      • Ninja0980

        No they haven’t but if they did, I hope it would be brought up that neither supported marriage equality until they felt it was politically safe for them to do.

    • Lazycrockett

      There are no more debates.

      • Ore Carmi

        Is that true? Thank freaking god! They’ve been painful.

  • bkmn

    Ask your mother or uncle or cousin what they know about the Reagans and AIDS. Unless they are gay they probably don’t know a damn thing. Love or hate Hillary she is an ally and still capable of making an error. She made a mistake and apologized. Anyone wanting to make a big deal of this should be prepared to salute President Rump.

    • OZ_in_TX

      “Anyone wanting to make a big deal of this should be prepared to salute President Rump.” Yes, and we were told that repeatedly 1) when Hillary first spouted that insulting nonsense and 2) when she (and her following) decided that ‘oh well, a 140-or-less Tweet is apology enough!’

      You have all the outraged Bernie LGBT supporters to thank who wasn’t *about* to let this issue go regardless of all the Hillary-supporters lining up telling *us* ‘oh you’re just too sensitive’.

    • Natty Enquirer

      We are not electing my mother, uncle or cousin to the highest office in the United States. I expect my president to know history.

  • Natty Enquirer

    Okay, I made a little mistake. But, hey, look over here. AIDS is really bad!

  • TuuxKabin

    nice speechy.

  • chris10858

    Her statement is a hell of a lot better than anything the Republicans would offer. Hell… they’d end up blaming Obama while giving praise to Saint Ronnie and Saint Nancy for their valiant leadership.

    • Ore Carmi

      I also think it’s a hell of a lot better than anything Sanders could offer. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him apologize for anything.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Clinton: “Oops!”
    Now all she needs is a new pair of designer Rick Perry glasses.

    • Jeffrey

      She’s smarter than him and she’s smarter than you.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        But not as snarky!

  • Dagoril

    You know, I accepted the first apology, and I accept this one too. Thanks Hils.

    But I’ll ask it again; where on earth did she get the idea from that the Reagans did any AIDS advocacy? She’s not a stupid woman, and she was alive during the ’80s. Where did the notion even come from?

    • johncAtl

      That’s a fair question. But in the 80s most heterosexuals couldn’t relate to what was happening in the gay community because of AIDS. And they didn’t wonder why Reagan was ignoring what was happening.

      But, as the wife of a politician, and now as a politician, she should have known better. I accept that she admits she made a mistake, and that she apologized.

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        Yes. Straight people (of course with many exceptions) just didn’t get it.

      • yetanotherLaura

        As a straight ally, I admit to being aware of the AIDS crisis — I lost one of my dear college friends to the disease in 1984 — but I honestly didn’t think about the more global issue of national-level research. I did a lot of research personally because I was horrified by so much of the discrimination going on, but it just never occurred to me to wonder why something wasn’t coming out of the White House about it.

        Although, honestly, my opinion of the Reagan administration was and still is that he was still an actor, just acting the part of president, with Nancy as his evil puppetmaster pulling his strings. I hated them then and still do. Knowing now what they didn’t do to help people with HIV/AIDS is just another proof that my opinion of them was right all along.

        I blame Hillary for trying too hard to say something nice about that dead harridan. May she rest in misery!

        • MB

          May the larvae of a thousand maggots eat her unholy rotting corpse.
          Thanks be to God, Amen.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            And you sickos are actually able to say republicans are evil, sick, heartless, etc. Literally ALL the hate, ugliness, etc., comes from the left. It is directed at you and you dont even realize it, just spread it around, all the while helping the left with their evil agenda to dumb us down, take our guns and kill us. This thread really drives the point home that the dumbing down item can now be scratched off of the to do list.

          • MB

            Trolling for Drumpf on JMG ….a week later ??? Drumpf = leadership ???????
            You CAN’T be serious ?????????????

            Little loud-mouthed Donnie’s campaign is a friggin’ one-man circus freak show ! His campaign carnival is an out-of-control racist, misogynistic, heartless, self- aggrandizing, loud-mouthed third-grade temper- tantrum of lies , bullshit and pandering abject stupidity..

            You, Timothy Wade Corder, are an IDIOT.

          • Timothy Wade Corder

            You’ve said nothing true or useful. He is the only one who has run an honest, fair campaign. He is not any of the things you clearly want him to be. You have been brainwashed, if you, in fact, have a brain at all. I have 2 friends who know Trump personally, and he is none of those things. You’ve shown the disqus community that you are able to repeat the poisonous rhetoric you’ve heard, but there is really nothing unique or thought-provoking about that. A film is coming out soon that will prove that everything you just said is incorrect, at which time your apology will be in order, but don’t bother. Just having people find out the truth will be all I need. For now, let it suffice just to say that you are just so, SO wrong.

    • She didn’t say that. All Clinton said was the Reagans had ‘opened a dialogue’ on HIV. A stupid statement. A false statement, with the only smidge of truth being the Reagans’ anti-gay fervor galvanized the pro-LGBT movement.

      She tried to say something nice about a dead woman at that woman’s funeral, in front of the dead woman’s family and friends. This is what polite people do, even when the dead person has been an utter shit.

      Hell, Sanders himself put out a disgustingly treacly statement about Nancy Reagan — because again this is what decent people do.

      • djcoastermark

        My sentiments exactly. It’s nice to hear a sane opinion every now and then. thank you

      • Treant

        https://berniesanders.com/press-release/statement-on-nancy-reagan/

        I, personally, am mortally offended by this statement. It wasn’t a sad day, she wasn’t an exemplary First Lady, and I am deeply incensed by any potential comparison to Hillary Clinton’s First Ladyship and the incomparable Michele Obama. Nancy did not have a good heart, and she will not be deeply missed.

        That liar.

        /snark

      • Ore Carmi

        It may also have been important to her to pander to the hordes of Americans who still love Reagan–and I say that being an ardent Clinton supporter, but politics is politics. She can’t represent us in office if she doesn’t get elected.

        • Jafafa Hots

          That’s true, but it still was a weird thing to say. I mean, why broach that topic at all? To be nice, avoid the bad shit… talk about the good shit, like… um… um… well, she was absolutely devoted to her husband, she was a great insert empty platitudes here, supposedly she gave a great BJ, whatever,

          If you have to praise Eva Braun for her funeral, talk about her loyalty or some shit.

          Clinton’s done what she had to do to walk it back, so it’s over. But man.. it was fucking WEIRD.

        • Timothy Wade Corder

          There is no way she will get elected, indicted, maybe. Elected, nevet. You people are about to see how a REAL LEADER operates.

      • i am not a decent person. i have nothing, absolutely nothing, nice to say about the Old Red Hag. i’m glad she’s dead. i’m glad she suffered a long, lonely after party where no one came, and her hated enemies, the Bushes, peed all over her loving dick’s memory as they stepped up on his corpse to the top.

        however, my candidate is a Decent Person when it comes to funerals and dead people! they both are! it’s sort of cool, to know that.

  • Clungeflaps

    She’ll continue to make dumb gaffes like this, she did the same thing back in 08. Anyway, I don’t see how any gay dude could support her after this without being self-loathing.

    • Lazycrockett

      get down off that crucifix, someone needs the wood!

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      Yeah, she totally switched me over to Cruz. :-/

      • MB

        Yep, she totally screwed up my homersexhuallistness – so now I’m just havin to vote fer Klingon Jesus’ BFF….he’s SOOOO cerebal.
        (…and have you seen those BIG hands ???)

      • Cruz? Hell, I’m voting Santorum. He’s seems like such a nice Catholic man who is really truly sincere in his beliefs. He really speaks his mind….which oddly seems to be obsessed with gay male sex, but hey, whatevs. Hillary pissed me off beyond redemption by saying something nice but technically inaccurate about a dead woman at a funeral. Can’t have that. Santorum 2016! Feel the Ooze!

        #extremesarcasm

        • MB

          Wasn’t he at Sushannaz litttull piszza and cokes party in Santa Fe?

          Feeal tha Boojzhze?!

        • johncAtl

          Usually no sarcasm tag is needed here on JMG as every comment should be read with a sarcasm filter. And when it is needed a simple “/s” is usually sufficient. But with a few posters tonight “#extremesarcasm” is definitely called for.

          I look forward to this election season being over. Usually when we disagree here on JMG we don’t insult each other.

          Oh, and GO RICK!

          • On my 1st draft, I just had /s, but decided to go full-on hashtag just for the hell of it.

          • sherman

            I wish disqus had a sarcasm font option.

          • Lazycrockett

            I wish YOU had a sarcasm font option! 🙂

          • johncAtl

            I wish Sherman had nude photos online. Oh wait, did I actually click on the post button?

          • All I can say is my favorite thing about Chrome is I finally found an extension which lets me ‘hush’ the trolls on Disqus. Really glad I made the switch a week ago.

          • johncAtl

            Yeah, there’s a plug-in for Firefox that does the same. I won’t name any names like nycmcmike, but it’s a great thing to be able to silence idiots.

          • I tried to find the Firefox one, but never found it. Might also be because I was using ‘Pale Moon’, a Firefox branch-clone with a better UI but a rather limited support for extensions.

            Still taking me some time to get used to Chrome, but overall, it’s okay.

          • johncAtl

            The Firefox addon is called killfile. I haven’t installed it yet but I may have to soon.

          • It’s the same extension name for Chrome. I guess someone realized it’d be useful (and desired) for FF, too.

          • sherman

            Thanks, just installed it. This comment section was the last straw for me.

        • Johnny Wyeknot

          Wow, good thinking! He may turn out to be our first president to come out in office!

  • Hank

    Yesterdays apology I accepted, despite the losses, that WE all sustained. THIS is what I want to HEAR from a politician who wants MY VOTE!!!

  • Lazycrockett

    In Primary News…………Cruz wins Wyoming and Rubio wins D.C.

    • Treant

      Hey, Rubio finally won another sta…er…DC. 🙂

      • Lazycrockett

        I dont care who wins as long as I get my Contested Convention ending with Drumpf breaking the GOP into pieces and running as a third party candidate.

        • Absolutely.

        • Treant

          I don’t think it’ll happen at this point, barring a complete Trump meltdown in the polls.

          Besides, he can’t run in many states as an Independent due to the sore loser laws. If he’d done it initially, it wouldn’t’ve been a problem, but now…no.

          • Lazycrockett

            Hush I have it all figured out. Don’t ruin my dream,

          • johncAtl

            If he wins in states where he could still run as an independent would he still be awarded the electoral votes? That would still have the desired outcome — i.e., the extinction of the GOP.

          • Treant

            Yep, you win the state, you get the votes. It would be more likely (since people don’t tend to vote for Independents regardless and the Republican party is particularly susceptible to group programming) that he’d get some small percentage of the vote. In some cases, that might swing the state Democratic.

            I don’t think he has the gravitas to pull a Murkowski and actually win doing the Independent thing, but it would raise the probability of a Clinton Presidency from “extremely high” to “nearly certain.”

          • William

            Don’t think teabagger controlled state legislatures won’t be happy to change the rules if Trump takes his show on the independent road.

        • MB

          I want my free set of matching Ginsu steak knives, dammit, or I’m. NOT. voting !!!!! That’ll teach THEM a thing or two about a thing or two.

          Hmmmmmph.

          • johncAtl

            Ginsu steak knives? I was young when they were being advertised late at night on TV. Are they still around?

          • DaddyRay

            Where is my flying car damn it

          • Just don’t expect those knives to slice through Trump’s steaks. I hear they’re all greasy and gristly and generally awful. Just like the man who once tried, and failed, to sell them.

          • Lazycrockett

            plus they have been wrapped in saran warp since 2006 unfridgerated.

            Yum O

          • sherman

            They were sold in the Sharper Image catalog. The SI spokesman said they sold almost none before they were discontinued.

          • johncAtl

            Did Sharper Image ever sell anything that wasn’t garbage?

          • Supposedly there were big cardboard cut-outs of Herr Drumpf at the SI stores, too.

            I cannot imagine who would want to buy raw meat from a company that has no refrigeration as part of its stores or shipping facilities’ normal operating equipment. I mean, I get it, Sharper Image buyers were typically foolish people with excess disposable income…but it’s like buying a television from a Walgreens pharmacy: Yeah, they might have some in stock for some bizarre reason, but it makes no sense and it’s guaranteed to be crap.

          • Reality.Bites

            I’m assuming they were sold through the catalogue only, and were shipped frozen in dry ice. I’ve seen ads for “premium” steaks like that all my life, although not with the Trump name.

          • DaddyRay

            Hrumph

          • johncAtl

            I know….black bear with white nose…..but when I saw this today I thought of you DaddyRay.

            https://weather.com/pets/video/bears-play-with-pink-balloon

          • DaddyRay

            Awww he popped it

          • johncAtl

            Of course he did. Bears are like bulls in china shops. They’re just cuter, and sexier, and sweatier. And I’m going to go splash cold water on my face now.

        • Reality.Bites

          I think – someone correct me if I’m wrong – that after the convention it will be impossible for anyone to launch a bid and get on the ballot in most states.

      • Ore Carmi

        It really should be a state!

    • Bruno

      Those DC results are what establishment Rethugs expected the whole country would show at this point. Love that Cruz is in last behind Trump.

  • abqdan

    Nicely written speech. Wonder who did the research and fed it to her? Because she sure as hell didn’t know any of this yesterday, otherwise she’d never have ‘misspoken’ the way she did.

    • sherman

      Who fed her the information for the first speech?

      • abqdan

        It was reported that she went ‘off’ her prepared remarks. So I guess she did.

        • sherman

          Oh “some say” “it was reported”.

          • abqdan

            Glad you were there to give an eye-witness account. The rest of us have to rely on reporting by others. You’re so special…

          • sherman

            I didn’t make any undocumented claim.

            “It was reported you are a Trump plant.” See how that works?

    • Ore Carmi

      Having knowledgable people on your staff is a good thing. Her deep knowledge of the issues easily surpasses Sanders’s. If it’s only because she has knowledgable staff, then I infer that she would also appoint better qualified cabinet members and retain better policy advisors.

      • abqdan

        There’s no reason to believe either candidate is less knowledgeable, and both have advisors. What’s interesting here is that in her original remarks, it was noted in reports that she departed from her ‘prepared remarks’ – which means she most likely adlib’d the offensive comment.

        • Ore Carmi

          Yeah, that is interesting–it must really have been a complete slip then.

  • it may have gone over better if instead of the word mistake, which implies that this was not a planned and rehearsed statement,and she mis-spoke – she had apologized for having made a bad decision in choosing to say something that was factually incorrect.

    • Whatever words she chose, she was going to be relentlessly attacked by those who hate her regardless. She could save a puppy from drowning and there’d be those who’d say it was an engineered political stunt.

      • Lazycrockett

        or she was going to make it into a coat.

      • that is an illogical statement. you are saying it is ok that she said something that was radically untrue – because even if she had not pandered to moderate republicans, hoping that “her gays” would understand- some people would attack her anyway? there are a lot of stupid and unfair and untrue attacks made on Clinton – and lots of misogynistic crap that assholes try to disguise as legitimate critique. this is not one of those cases. she did something very stupid, and it was not a mistake – it was rehearsed. it was a bad decision, and a mistake to make that decision, but it was not a “gaffe”, but some of that good old pragmatism. wouldn’t have mattered if Sanders or Tony Perkins had said the same words – i would be complaining just as loudly.

        • I can’t even follow what you said.

          • johncAtl

            I read the gibberish and somewhat followed it, but I don’t care what she said. If you seriously compare Hillary or Bernie to Tony Perkins there is something very wrong with you.

          • William

            Now now, we can fling mashed potatoes at each other across the table, but there is no need to get nasty.

          • Bad Tom

            I don’t know.
            Is gravy involved?

          • johncAtl

            Gravy….yummm.

          • William

            But of course! It looks lovely on the walls.

          • Lazycrockett

            Wine Time started early.

          • johncAtl

            Wine time never starts too early.

          • fascinating

          • Bad Tom

            Me neither.

        • Ore Carmi

          You all, don’t be so mean to Sue Jeffers. I understood what Sue was saying. As a Clinton supporter, I’m pissed off at any negative comments about Clinton (I know, I know, that’s not very objective of me). But I understood Sue’s point all the same.

          • thank you. mean isn’t the problem, but those blinders that we all use. i think part of the problem is I was voting age when Reagan was in office, and remember fighting the slide into the neoliberal dismantling of the somewhat functioning economic and political workings in the u.s. In the intervening years many lies have been told to rehabilitate the old bastard and his hit squad, and people who were small children when he was in office tend to remember him as reminding him of grandpa but don’t understand the damage those 8 years did to this country -on every level in every sector. to now have the democratic candidate, running as a progressive, putting forth an alternate history that not only obscures his administration’s disdain for people with AIDS, but creates a reality in which he was a hero – then other people who support a progressive agenda refuse to even consider that such behavior is more than a tad problematic. i believe that if Clinton is elected she will NOT discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, and will be supportive of legislation to remove exclusionary regulations and laws.
            but the fact that it was so obviously factually incorrect – a glaring and jarring breach of reality – and so counter to what should be expected from her – and such a damaging distraction that i just am baffled by this error in judgement. even more so after she issued the retraction, removing the excuse that she just didn’t know what she was saying was opposite of reality. for those who did not have the “benefit” of the Reagan experience first hand, here is a tiny snapshot of the climate of hate. this disdain extended to most all populations outside the well to do white male christian population.
            http://www.upworthy.com/this-audio-of-reagans-press-secretary-and-reporters-laughing-about-aids-should-not-be-forgotten
            http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2014/12/flashback-reagan-white-house-thought-aids-was-pretty-hilarious-1982

          • Ore Carmi

            Thanks for the links–the first one was broken, but the second one worked. For the record, while I was a child during the Reagan administration, I do remember how bad it was. I wasn’t very aware of AIDS as a child, but I do remember the Iran-Contra scandal, for instance. And now as an adult, I know how many negative trends were set in motion by the Reagan administration–like underfunding Social Security, lowering taxes on the rich, bringing religion into government, fighting against women’s reproductive rights, ignoring the world’s population explosion… And of course I’m now also aware of the awful and homophobic failure of the administration with respect to the AIDS epidemic. I’ve never thought of Reagan as a grandfatherly figure.

          • sorry, i didn’t mean to imply that everyone young during reagan had the same impression, or were unaware – sloppy short hand.

          • Ore Carmi

            No, no–I wasn’t at all offended.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    I told Hills just to do a little Happy Dance atop Nancy’s casket, but NooOooo!
    She had to go with the nauseating, saccharine speech. Always trust your first instincts.

    • DutchBoy74

      I would switch my vote to her in a heartbeat if she did that.

  • Taleisin

    After kissing Nancy’s dead ass, Hillary kisses every ass in the LGBT community.

  • Andy Hahn

    While this hasn’t changed my vote this is the kind of apology that was needed. Thank you Hillary.

  • MB

    Okay boyz and grilz…..you all can continue to sling insults and crap at each other the rest of the night. I just cannot tolerate this level of insanity and the nasty personal insults going on here. This is NOT who we should be as “FAMILY.”
    .
    To Becca, Steven, Tuux , Johhny W, TD, and Daddy Ray …g’nite and enjoy the rest of your weekend.
    Sending you all rays of happiness, hope, and goodness… and the most glorious sunsets from Albuquerque and The Land of Enchantment.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nf-5veXkQQM/maxresdefault.jpg

    • johncAtl

      Good night MB. Sweet dreams.

    • Take care MB. I’m heading out, too, for the same reasons. We don’t need these pie fights.

      p.s. I’m from ABQ, too.

    • Steven Leahy

      G’night MB!!! 🙂 My bedtime too. Sleep well.

    • Octavio

      Good night. Don’t take any wooden chile peppers.

    • JCF

      MB, Mwah!

  • I realize long ago why I want Hillary for President. She will be a great president. I was extremely disappointed in the first respondents… how they lashed out and claimed they will not support her anymore. Sometime, a rush to judgement can do more harm in the long run. Remember… Donald Trump as president can happen. Together, we can make sure it doesn’t happen.

    • johncAtl

      My greater fear is that Trump will implode, and based on the past week Cruz will come across as the more reasonable candidate. We could survive Trump as president because even he doesn’t believe most of what he says. But Cruz is totally committed to making this a nation that is based on Biblical law and not on the Constitution.

      • Diogenes Onionpants

        The thought of Cruz being re-imagined as “reasonable” is terrifying. The Overton window has already lurched so crazily far to the right (we’ve got a president whose fiscal policies are to the right of Nixon’s being denounced as a “socialist / communist,” FFS), it’s hard to imagine it could go much further and still be possible to communicate.

    • Together, we can make sure it doesn’t happen.

      so ding! ding! ding! it needed to be repeated.

    • Reality.Bites

      Generally speaking, when someone rushes to the Internet to loudly complain about something being the last straw and they no longer support someone… they never supported that person in the first place. They’re just pretending they once did in the hope they can convince people who DO support them to switch.

      Something noteworthy about this incident – some of her harshest critics on JMG are praising the way she handled this. And those who have a history here of supporting her are STiLL supporting her.

      Trolls who never supported her, and are only pretending to support Sanders – they’re the ones making the outraged noises.

  • JamesR

    Here’s the thing, she brought up the Reagans, in a positive light, regarding something historically, factually, EVIL that they did. How she can walk that back while not ever mentioning that or acknowledging the fact that’s why people are pissed at her is a feat of doublespeak a wonder to behold.

    [P.S. YES I’ll vote for her if I have to, but facts are facts.]

    • So did Senator Sanders. He referred to Nancy Reagan as ‘a treasure’ and said her passing was a great loss to the country. I am not happy about that either.

      But on the other hand, people are supposed to say nice things about dead people. It’s what we do.

      • William

        I discover ‘treasure’ in the cat box every day.

        • Timothy Wade Corder

          And how does it taste?

      • Jafafa Hots

        Maybe he meant it in the “well aren’t YOU special…” kind of way. 😛

      • Reality.Bites

        He just got a bit confused due to sleep deprivation. He was up late the night before watching a Pirates of the Caribbean marathon. When he heard they were burying her he figured she must be a treasure. 😉

      • Timothy Wade Corder

        See how disgusting you people are? Offended by Nancy Reagan being called a treasure at her funeral?! What was she supposed to say? Its not like she meant ANY of it, or cared. Screw anyone who thinks that just because the reagans didnt cater to gays on a silver platter means that they werent good people who did a lot of good for this country. Especially compared to the trojan horse currently occupying the white house.

    • William

      I wonder if this is Hillary’s ham-handed way of calling out the Reagans for all they didn’t do about AIDS. If she had blasted the Reagans at Nancy’s funeral, she would have been skewered by the right. This apology has shown an entire new generation the uncaring inaction of Ron and Nancy during a crisis.

      • justmeeeee

        This is a waaaaaaay-too-generous interpretation. More likely she read something that was handed to her and didn’t engage her brain first. AIDS is a back-burner issue for her so it didn’t set off any alarms.

      • Chucktech

        It would have been inappropriate to call out the Reagan’s criminal neglect at this horrid woman’s funeral. She tried to say something nice. What she said was wrong. She has sincerely apologized for it.

        But I fully expect the RWNJ to squawk about this apology any minute now.

  • sherman

    OT- Seton Hall beat #2 ranked Villanova to win the Big East Tournament today – the first time since 1993. They have the first openly gay Division I basketball player, Derrick Gordon.

  • Richard

    For us gay men and our women allies the entire Reagan Administration was MOURNING IN AMERICA.

    • justmeeeee

      It seems you mistakenly reported someone who had a money-making tip for us!

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    • sherman

      flagged and reported

      • Same. Flagged the post, reported the user at Disqus.

    • William

      Die troll, die!

      • johncAtl

        Be nice…Adrianajclark2 was home schooled in Texas!

        • William

          I was being nice. It’s German for the troll, the.

          Apologies to Sideshow Bob.

  • empidonax_road

    Can’t ask for more than this.

  • Edward Padilla

    Hillary never used the words “I’m sorry” or “I apologize” – she “misspoke” – Politics as USUAL

    • johncAtl

      Thanks for participating. With your attitude Ted Cruz will be the next president.

      • Edward Padilla

        Better him or Rubio than a flip-flopping, disrespectful, conniving and manipulative POS like Hillary –
        Anyone but Trump, either one of them –

    • Max_1

      As someone who has also lost friends and loved ones to AIDS, I understand why. I made a mistake, plain and simple.

      Admittance of guilt… The most polite way of saying, “I’m sorry”

      (BOLDING MINE)

    • JCF

      She said “I’m sorry” yesterday.

    • M Jackson

      I’m sorry that “I’m sorry” wasn’t there for you. However, and more importantly, there were a whole lot of other words there in her statement that you ignore. Hopefully others will find more of value on the issue there.

  • Essus

    This is the apology I can admire Hillary Clinton for. Thank you Hillary.

  • Max_1

    Oh ffs people… Anyone can mix up Princess Diana and Nancy Reagan.

    /s

    • johncAtl

      And Bernie put out a comment that praised Nancy as well. Should he apologize?

      • justmeeeee

        If he was praising her for her cocksucking skills, no apology necessary. I hear she was among the best and most prolific in her day!

  • Cary Chauvet

    Well said. Your first apology was sufficient.

  • Michael Abbett

    People make mistakes and I don’t expect any candidate to be perfect. My feeling is she was just feeling the pressure of trying to find something, anything, nice to say about Nancy Reagan. That would be difficult for most of us.

    • johncAtl

      Yes, but there are a few commenters here tonight that feel that anything less than her driving a wooden stake through Nancy’s heart is not enough.

      • Michael Abbett

        Well at the very least I hope they buried her face down so when she reanimates and starts digging it will be in the wrong direction.

      • Jafafa Hots

        I say we nuke the site from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

  • Hip Byroads

    What nerve. A GoldmanSachs flunky who, in a desperate bid to pick up Republican votes, revealed her complete ignorance about the history of AIDS is now trying to tell me about what we’re going to do about the disease?

    You’re worthless, Hillary. Fuck you.

    • sherman

      LOL. If she wanted to pick up Republicon votes, she would have said Nancy led the fight to ignore the AIDS crisis as long as they could.

      Hillary Derangement Syndrome.

  • Timothy Wade Corder

    Thank you, Hillary, for your speech, written by someone clearly other than yourself, that spouts a lot of pure CRAP about what YOU supposedly did to help people with AIDS, a speech that none of us would have ever even heard if this was not an election year. Let me tell you something, you are a corrupt, lying, washed up politician, and America has enough evidence to know better than to believe ANYTHING you say anymore. You’ve showed us countless examples of your disregard for the lives of Americans, and those who protect them, so why should we believe for one second that you care about sick Americans? The gay community is the force that banded together and fought back against the AIDS epidemic with the help of a handful of compassionate celebrities who brought in record amounts of money for the cause before the White House even acknowledged it. People with AIDS continue to suffer because the special interest of pharmaceutical companies make billions raping our healthcare system on long-term therapies rather than releasing the CURE. If you were any kind of real leader, if you really cared about people with AIDS, you would make sure this got done because it’s the right thing to do, for our floundering economy, and because to do anything less is morally reprehensible, but instead you cater to special interests who pay you and the Clinton Foundation zillions of dollars to shape our foreign and domestic policies because you are power hungry and seem to think that any behavior is acceptable if the end result is you getting to be the first woman president, but the American people are getting smarter and that, fortunately, will never happen. We will take our chances with Donald Trump!

    • JT

      Fuck off, troll.

    • M Jackson

      We will not take our chances with Donald Trump.
      You belie the statement that the American people are getting smarter before you even finish typing.

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      We will NOT take our chances with Trump, you are welcome to.

      Trump wants to ban all Muslims from the US. ISIS wants to ban all Christians from Syria. This one single issue immediately disqualifies Trump. Gee, why is his plan cool and they are evil? And don’t say murder and beheading, we have killed far more Iraqis for no reason in a war based on lies. What Trump proposes is in direct violation of everything the US stands for and is also blatantly unconstitutional.

      Trump wants to deport 11 million people. Even people here illegally buy food, pay rent, etc. The loss of the spending of 11 million people will cause an economic collapse of this country. Separate from that, the cost to round up each person, the police, the jails, the court costs, transportation costs, the sheer logistics would probably require a decade and the costs would be in the trillions.

      No intelligent person can seriously propose this. If Trump is too stupid (I doubt it) to see the obvious financial impossibility of this, he is too stupid to be President. If you know this is not feasible but still promote it as one of your main campaign issues, then you are lying and insulting the intelligence of the American people + generating fear and hatred which is not “uniting” (as you claim you will do) the country. It is causing violence and helping to split this country apart. I could go on and on, but Trump is dangerous to everything that America hold’s dear.

      Your blind support of him carries little weight on JMG other than to expose your anger and lack of any semblance of critical thinking skills. Trump is a problem, but he will hopefully disappear after November. YOU are a bigger problem because people like you will flock to the next fear mongering demagogue.

    • sherman

      “Who is this ‘we’ kemosabe?”

      • JustSayin’

        He is a republican troll with a keyboard. Check out his profile and posts.

    • Ben in Oakland

      You’ll “take your chances with trump?”

      Why would you vote for a candidate who is no more than a bet that he won’t be horrible? A man who has been caught in lies he WONT apologize for?

      Worth reposting my letter to the Chronicle here– but obviously, not for YOU.

      It was interesting to read today’s article about the “GOP Faithful Coming to Grips with Trump”. If he is the nominee, they WILL vote for him, despite his bombast, lack of experience, loose relationship with fact, and denigrations of anyone not Trump. They will vote for him despite their own “shock, confusion, and anxiety over his candidacy”. They’re desperate to believe this four-times-bankrupt billionaire will represent the little guy and not the 1%. It’s very similar to the evangelicals willingly believing that “Two Corinthians”, three-times-married, self-proclaimed adulterous Trump is a Christian who will embody their and defend their moral and religious concerns.

      In other words, they will choose party over country, because power trumps politics trumps principle, EVERY SINGLE TIME.

      Our bestest, blessedest country is rapidly approaching the political dysfunctionality of Italy, which has elected as prime minister, and not just once, one Silvio “Bunga-Bunga” Berlusconi, a morally deficient and politically corrupt billionaire, convicted felon, and clown.

      If Berlusconi is the streak of marinara on Italy’s white Armani tuxedo, Trump is the splash of barbecue sauce on America’s Uncle Sam red-white-and-blue holiday suit.

      We know why it’s there, but really: do you still have to wear it in public?

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Isn’t her staff/political team supposed to keep her on point?

    • Gustav2

      I wonder if the staff didn’t feed her the mistake. There is a lot of revisionist history in the media perpetrated by the Reagan PR machine. The number of TV and print media fawning over Mrs Reagan sharing stories about their private lunches (in public places) was astounding. Nancy was was still working them all these years later. The dowager on Downton Abbey could not have done better.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I do understand that there is a huge conservative industry devoted to rewriting history and hiding history (the Kochs tried to tear down a reporter who had uncomplimentary but true stories about their family’s past). After all, a lot of churches like to claim that Christianity was oh-so-great on being anti-slavery and pro-civil rights when frankly the truth is much more sordid. However, I do think that she needs to:

        1. shake up her staff for that kind of fail because the last thing she needs is another screw-up like that.

        2. check and re-check her facts, especially any kind of stories of ANY and ALL claims of GOP doing good for LGBT, the poor and women’s rights

        I think people upset about this are upset that it’s bad enough when conservatives rewrite history and the last thing any of us need is for the person who’s desiring the Democratic nom reinforcing any of that revisionist nonsense even if taken back later.

  • jawnbc

    She’s redeemed herself totally in my eyes.

    • Timothy Wade Corder

      Bet that must be easy to do because in your eyes, all thats visible is your rectum.

      • jawnbc

        back under the bridge troll

  • dr morbius

    She’s a foot-in-mouth loser and a corporate/military servant. Nominate Sanders.

  • Woman, don’t even worry about it. I’m voting for the other guy, but if you review my history, you’ll find me supporting your right to fuck up every once in a while, just like the rest of us. I’m probably in the minority on this blog, but i feel it’s important to express this. AIDS is a serious topic, and one i actually have a fairly high degree of confidence you will at least attempt to deal with better and more strongly.

    the campaign trail sucks. you fucked up, but i’m betting you were pretty tired. everyone expressing hate for you should watch that scene from the Redford movie “The Candidate.” it’s funny, but in this context totally appropriate.

    there are so many better reasons to vote for my guy. this is not one of them.

    • Cackalaquiano

      very well said

    • (redford) Bill McKay:
      [with his team after giving one speech too many]
      “Can’t any longer play off black against old – young against poor. This country cannot house its houseless – feed its foodless.”

      [and he begins making gaga noises]

      i love that scene, it made me laugh. the absurdity of the campaign trail, i guess you’ve got to experience it to really know it.

  • justmeeeee

    Remember, Nancy wanted Hillary to run and win, and told her so when Hillary was “undecided” about what to do, because Hillary’s the woman with the best shot at the moment (or so thought Nancy).

  • Bobby P

    Even if Hillary or Bernie were caught eating live puppies I’m voting for the Democratic candidate, regardless of who it is. The republican alternative is a nightmare I hope none of us will have to live through.

  • Silver Badger

    Hillary Clinton has my vote if she becomes the Democratic Candidate. Indeed, she misspoke. You try to find good things to say of the dead. She apologized and did it in a classy manor. How many of the current front runners would do so?

    • justmeeeee

      Was that manor the one she lives in or was it someone else’s manor?

      • Silver Badger

        Thank you for catching that spelling error. It is much to early for my brain to be fully functional. Even so, their are some words, capitol-vs- capital and manner -vs-manor catch me every time!:-)

        • Reality.Bites

          Well I liked that error. Because I couldn’t picture Trump apologizing in a classy manor either. Only in a gawdawful unbelievably tacky penthouse.

        • Igby

          Gray- vs- grey always stop me in my tracks.

          • Reality.Bites

            Both are correct, depending on what country you live in, so no one can call you out for using the wrong spelling.

            It’s like this: Colour is right. So is color. Coulor isn’t. Neither is Grya. 😉

          • Igby

            Liter or litre. I usually use the latter.

  • LADY MABELINE

    You have my vote Ms. Clinton.

  • i just have to share this; fuck it, Joe’s still asleep.

    once, at a town hall type deal with all the candidates, some loser asked dad a question about his (dad’s) motorcycle. where we lived it was ‘important’ to know where a motorized vehicle was assembled. it was a really awkward moment, after all the more serious debate and questions about the truly important local issues. dad stammered out a not so good response, he wasn’t really in gotcha question mode that day.

    it had Legs. it was kind of amazing, even to me, and i was young and stupid and didn’t really know anything. but i noticed it. which is to say, “why are people really concerned about a motorcycle dad bought from a friend, instead of blah blah the real issues blah?”

    people are sofa king silly and dumb, on purpose. i guess that’s what politics are for. a chance for all of us to be foolish.

    • Cackalaquiano

      Not to detract from the whole point of your post, but “sofa king” – I love it and I’m totally gonna use it.

      • in some ways, Bernie is a guru. you may not like him, that’s not important. but he’s teaching me. *me* a tried and true Marine who will melt a sailor with my tongue alone, no touching. here i am trying to be Nicer as a person.

        i first learned that line from a now-dead gay sailor. long ago, in Interwebs times. he hated me, but was clever and a regular where i was back then. i’m sure he didn’t “invent” it. but he harassed me, for being too rude when the stakes were too high (pre-L v TX). i honor his memory, for his partner was long dead of the Plague and he died alone.

  • Buford

    Hillary really stepped in it. Before this expanded ‘Apology 2.0’, I gave her benefit of the doubt for tone-deafly giving credit was none was due. Now, however, I’m disturbed by her attempt to take credit for leading global AIDS efforts.

    Shouldn’t someone who claims to have been so intimately involved in the AIDS fight in the early 90’s have known VERY well that the Reagans were a big part of the problem in the mid-80’s?

    • Silver Badger

      Just shows to go ya. You just can’t please some people. As a rule, you don’t disparage the dead at the funeral. Hillary made a mistake and apologized. Move on.

      • Buford

        Don’t tell me to move on. Our likely president-elect just epically misspoke and was forced to replace praise with criticism for a former first lady on the day of that former first lady’s funeral.

        Such an epic diplomacy/protocol screw up is worth keeping in mind rather than simply ‘moving on’.

        • M Jackson

          How are you going to feel on the second Tuesday next November? Seriously.
          And when is the last time you read such a lengthy statement on AIDS from a presidential candidate?

          • Buford

            Sorry, not impressed. The statement was damage control after she stuck her foot in her mouth. If that statement had been offered proactively otherwise, I would appreciate it… but attempting to spin an apology for an egregious faux pas into some sort of polishing of her bona fides is political spinning at its worst, and anyone who falls for it is naive in the extreme.

            To be clear, I welcome a Hillary presidency if Bernie does not get the votes, but this was Hillary embarrassing herself and then making it worse.

        • Silver Badger

          If you can’t get over it, you’ll have to die with it. The choice is yours.l

  • J Ascher

    So, Mrs. Clinton, when will you apologize for claiming you didn’t know where Bernie Sanders was during the healthcare fight in 93-94? He was right alongside you and you congratulated him for his support and work.

  • Gerry Fisher

    Thanks for the lecture, Hil. But we already knew this (and could elaborate on many of the details better than you). Let’s just move on.

    • M Jackson

      What an odd thing to say, in light of the ignorance about the issue that exists in this country.

      I would hope that her message would extend far beyond you, or me.

    • Gerry Fisher

      …and I’m still going to vote for her. I’m an adult. I don’t expect perfection. That being said, I like being clear about the person I’m supporting. I just got much, MUCH clearer about Hillary Clinton. (That, and reading the quite excellent article in the Atlantic about Obama’s foreign policy. There are some juicy tidbits in there about Hils and her tendency to “follow a playbook.”) http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/

    • Bj Lincoln

      It was also aimed at those who didn’t know anything.

  • TexasBoy

    At least Hillary is admitting and acknowledging that she made an error, and is apologizing for it. That in and of itself puts her light years ahead of The Donald.

    • MBear

      True, but still quite a distance behind Bernie for authenticity

  • petewestcentral

    The Nancy Reagan thing, like the bullets in Bosnia thing, was a head-scratcher for me because “I made a mistake” and “I misspoke” are not interesting. It would be interesting to hear some clue on how they were honest mistakes. This would be much more interesting and real, so it seems to me. Admittedly, I’m not a worldwide public figure, so I know that I don’t know what that’s like.

  • BobSF_94117

    Since then, I’ve heard from countless people who were devastated by the loss of friends and loved ones, and hurt and disappointed by what I said. As someone who has also lost friends and loved ones to AIDS, I understand why. I made a mistake, plain and simple.

    I’d rather she point out she heard from some historians. The issue isn’t feelings, it’s facts. And, frankly, I remain mystified by the “mistake”. If I believed the explanation, I’d be very, very disappointed in her. As it is, I’m just puzzled.

    • JustSayin’

      You want her to apologize again and ignore feelings yet all your fellow whiners demand she assuage and atone for hurting their poor bruised fee fees. Bunch of fucking idiots.

      She made a mistake, a big one for us in the gay community. She apologized. Let it the fuck go!

      • BobSF_94117

        I don’t want her to apologize again. I wish she hadn’t said something so blatantly untrue and so out of step with a campaign that’s running pretty smoothly. I want her to be our next president (I don’t believe Sanders is electable).

        In the grand scheme of things, I’d like to know what really happened to cause her to make such absurd remarks, but that ain’t gonna happen…

  • Buddy Pinkham

    I wonder who wrote that for her!

    • sherman

      Who wrote the first statement?

      OMG, I hope no one notices that sometimes she uses a teleprompter!!

  • The Professor

    Well done.

  • I would’ve been more impressed if the writer had kept it to the history
    and left off the campaign position paper tack(y)ed on the end.

    • Bj Lincoln

      I agree, but then she is running for President.

  • Robincho

    This move is known as a Modified McCaskill — This apology was written before Hillz ever said anything about Nancy’s “advocacy,” low-key or otherwise. Then Hillz had to pause for a moment to wipe the short-term blowback off her face, which she has done with great deftness.
    Now, you’ve got about four squillion peepz who have been freshly re-reminded of the Reagans’ appalling inaction re AIDS. As faits go, I’m thinking this one here is about as accompli as any you can find…

    • Reality.Bites

      And to what end, exactly?

      Not only are the Reagans not running, but anyone who could give a fuck about their inaction was never going to be voting Republican.

    • JustSayin’

      People like you are part if the overall problem. You make unfounded claims and accusations that do nothing but prove you a fool. You actually sound like a trumpian sycophant with your babbling of planned denialism and conspiracy.

      You jump into high dungeon at even the slightest opportunity, your ineffectual rage expressed in abundant claims of perceived insult that have no bearing on reality.

      Fact is she screqed up and did not fact check her speech. She immediately apologized, unlike any and every republican who has lied, insulted, and demeaned the American population. But that was not good enough for you, so she made an more expansive apology and you still bitch, whine, moan and amke false claims.

      You are a cry baby and an imbecile

      • FrancisMcGlitterbomb

        She said Nancy was a “low key advocate.” Imagine if she had called George Bush a “low key advocate” of Hurrican Katrina victims. Do you get it? It’s high society parlance for “did nothing.” No apology was necessary in the first place. For people with high society ears, Hilllary’s faint priase for Nancy was damning enough.

  • Michael Hampton

    It’s better. I’ll give her that.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    All this pearl clutching and kvetching and for what? Listen, many of us were there during the late 70’s and 80’s and we know how things went down. YES, Hillary said a stupid ass thing and, within an hour, she apologized and then apologized again. Should we forget? No. Should we correct the error? Yes. Should we get a grip and see the big picture? Hell Yes!!! And with that in mind, again I post……..

    • Steven Leahy

      LOL true, I have been pretty vociferous here as a staunch Sanders supporter and I have condemned Hillary for many things…..but even I can see this for what it is. I don’t see she had anything to gain by the whole episode, so I’m just not seeing the conspiracy here. We need to accept her quick and detailed statement and move forward. I’m still totally about Bernie, but she won some points with me on how she handled this. ALL candidates have put their foot in their mouth at one time or another.

      • David From Canada

        The Republican candidates have both feet in their mouth ALL the time.

  • David From Canada

    I love her last line, which is very touching: “We will not leave anyone behind.”

  • Bj Lincoln

    That was some apology. Aside from it turning into a campaign speech, it did make clear what mistake she made and who was really responsible for the AIDS movement. It is nice to hear a candidate, or any politician, admit a mistake then apologize, twice.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    How much more blood do people want to wring from this stone? She’s apologized twice now. It’s time to move on.

  • Ben in Oakland

    I cannot believe some of the comments here. Are you so inflamed by anger that you simply cannot act rationally.

    She said something that was flat out wrong. She apologized, and admitted she had made a mistake. How many politicians of any stripe do that? She just went up ten points in My estimation.

    Just remember, if Hillary OR Bernie doesn’t become president, virulently antigay Christianists do. Or worse, 2Rump.

    What is wrong with you people.

    • Robert Conner

      The claim that Nancy Reagan was an AIDS advocate on any level is a patent, in-your-face, obvious lie. One might ask what Hillary thought she had to gain by such a statement. The support of a bunch of geriatric Reaganites? The endorsement of some political whore like Peggy Noonan? Did she contemplate, for one second, how deeply offensive that comment is to the survivors of Reagan’s criminal negligence, to the relatives of the dead, to their partners, or to people who cared for the sick and dying in the face of indifference and derision from the evangelical Right?

      I accept that Hillary’s an opportunist. She had no need to make a comment on the death of Nancy Reagan but chose to make one that is not only untrue and insulting, but resoundingly stupid politically.

      • Kevin-in-Honolulu

        Yes, Robert – one would think that every utterance made by Clinton would be completely scrutinized by her people before she uttered it.

        What could she/her people have been thinking of when she made the remarks about Nancy Reagan? What was to be gained?

        I think Hillary is as stupid as her husband is – and unfortunately, I will probably have to vote for her, holding my nose.

      • Ben in Oakland

        And she apologized for it.

        Let me put it this way. Apart from SOME of our straight allies, very few straight people are as up on our issues as we may be. They didn’t experience it, they don’t care as much about it, they aren’t as knowledgeable about it as many gay people are. They still support us, but it is one much more abstract level. I lived through it. Most of my friends from the ’70’s and 80’s are gone. My four partners, including the love of my life, are all gone.

        Personally, I am far less concerned about some political stupidity committed on the center left than I am about the very real evil proposed by the right, of which 2Rump is a great exemplar.

        You should be, too.

        • Robert Conner

          As I recall when some members of the VFW got Legionnaire’s disease, the government’s head nearly came unscrewed. When thousands of gay men started dying of a previously unrecognized disease, it was a national joke.

          I frankly wonder if Hil’s channeling Sarah Palin.

          1. The claim that Nancy Reagan had anything but contempt for AIDS patients is an obvious lie, a claim so easy to disprove that it’s laughable.
          2. Sucking up to Nancy Reagan’s withered corpse gets Hillary exactly nothing.
          3. The false claim does, however, alienate a large bloc of people who recall the vileness of Ronald and Nancy Reagan because it is deeply insulting as well as untrue.

          I have to wonder if there really is no one in her national campaign with the balls or brains to ask her if she’s off her fucking rocker before she blurts out something that brain dead.

          Yes, Hillary, like Barak and some other ‘liberals,’ has come around under pressure. At the end of the day that makes them laggard followers of public opinion, not principled leaders, but you are correct: it’s the best we can hope for. Hope and change!

      • studd55

        and not just a comment she went into very specific detail in her absolutely fabricated story and it lasted quite some time. Who does that with a simple “so called” “misspeak”.

    • studd55

      You apparently didn’t bother watching Hillary go on and on on MSNBC.

      Or you were watching once again with your Hillary glasses on.

  • PatrickMonkRn

    BULLSHIT. We can’t afford any more of her “judgement and experience”. She is a lying, devious poseur who will do or say just about anything to get ‘selected’. She is the personification of political expediency. http://www.feelthebern.org

  • cheakamus

    Haven’t read all the comments, so I don’t know if this was addressed, but it really pisses me off that Alan Turing’s name is now associated with a scumbag pharmaceutical company, thanks to it’s scumbag former CEO, and is now being used by others in a pejorative way to condemn bloodsucking pharma companies in general. Don’t know what to do about that, other than try to educate people about who Turing was and why he doesn’t deserve this. If only surnames could be copyrighted.

  • EqualityForAll

    Sometimes, when it’s almost impossible to think of something nice to say about someone, we have to stretch the truth. Hillary’s attempt, however, was just too obviously wrong from the start. Having lived through the onset of the AIDS crisis at the same political levels as the Reagans, I find it extremely difficult to believe that this was any kind of Clinton “gaffe”. It smells all to much like a well-manufactured bad cop, good cop election ploy to me. And, for that I’m really, really disappointed. Too many of my cousins and friends died in their 20s, 30s, and 40s for her to turn such a tragedy into a desperate ploy to get elected.

  • Adam Adam

    Bernie supported LGBT since the dawn of time. He did not ”come around” when it became politically advantageous to do so. Hillary hates gays. Was the strongest advogate for DOMA and even bragged about it to christian radio stations. Does anything that is politically popular. -Please Share http://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2015/06/30/32-years-before-scotus-decision-sanders-backed-gay-pride-march

    • Htowndude

      Don’t you dare dissent! Regina George and her Mean Girls will come and shame and silence you. Hillary is our hero and our only hope to defeat the Drumpf.. At least that’s what the JMG commenters have done to me whenever I bring up her background.

      • studd55

        Yes it is pathetic the way the “Hillary Sorority Sisters” have taken over blogs. Not with any thought out discussion but simply an attempt to silence.

  • Robert Conner

    A “mistake” is the most charitable possible interpretation of this verbal clown show. Unless Hillary’s spent the last thirty years in a coma, she knows better. It is impossible for anyone working the political scene like the Clintons have to be unaware of the heinous disregard of the Reagan administration. Nancy Reagan was America’s Marie Antoinette and she considered Ronnie to be Louie XVI. Regular people of any kind were beneath their dignity.

    This remarkably stupid pronouncement would be impossible unless Hillary considers the truth to be fungible, tailored to the occasion, with no regard for its actual veracity. When Clinton-Gore won the White House, a flash mob of celebrants in West Hollywood took over Santa Monica Boulevard and lit a bonfire to celebrate, relieved that the Reagan-Bush debacle had at last come to an end. In the next few years, Clinton signed off on DOMA and DADT, both unconstitutional on their face.

    Hillary Rodham Clinton desperately needs to wake the fuck up.

  • Susan Russell

    My take: She blew it. She knew it. She stepped up, owned it and used it as a platform to move forward.

    • Winter temporary

      I would say that’s a pretty good, concise assessment of exactly what went down.

  • parkourpub

    Apologies don’t mean anything. I’d like to hear Hillary honestly articulate why and how she misspoke so publicly and so confidently on this matter. Why was she so misinformed about the issue and why should we believe that she’s become enlightened overnight? I’m insulted by all of this because I know the REAL answer: Hillary is willing to say anything she can in order to get what she wants. Why do you think her platform all of a sudden sounds so much like Bernie’s? I feel like she’s insulting my intelligence every time she opens her mouth… and I don’t like it. How about you stand firm on an issue and not do a 180 every time the people disapprove? Show some belief in your beliefs… if you have any.

    • studd55

      She figures she can say she has “evolved” on everything if need be. Evolving is an honorable thing, but using it as an excuse to cover up your flip flops which were actually done to gain some kind of spur of the moment advantage becomes less and less credible and the candidate becomes less and less credible.

  • Ed Freeman

    Nice save, Hillary. It would have been better if you had denounced the Reagans for their callous and even laughing disregard for the disease until it turned into a full-blown international crisis, but I guess your response is as good as can be expected from a politician in the throes of an election battle.

  • ‘Til Tuesday

    It would help if I could believe she wrote the apology and that it was truly coming from her heart. I don’t believe she wrote a single damn word of it, and I don’t believe she means it. I haven’t a clue what she truly believes about anything, or where the line is between sincerity and political calculation. I want very much to believe her on something – anything, but my gut says “don’t trust her”. So I’m really torn about her.

    • FrancisMcGlitterbomb

      She was at a funeral. What would you have said with the Reagans sitting right there? Let me get the popcorn, this is going to be good.

  • bob

    I just wish she had kept her mouth shut. I don’t know where she was in the reagan years. Maybe back woods Arkansas ? But any lgbt alive back then can tell you HORROR stories that make not getting your wedding cake from a christian baker look downright ridiculous ! When my brother died , newspaper people kept harassing my parents wanting to know what the real cause of death was. I was armed at the funeral just waiting for one to start some shit. Thousands were cast aside because no one would help !

    • FrancisMcGlitterbomb

      Did you talk about the Reagan’s at the funeral? Then yes, they started a conversation. Get it? That’s what Hillary said. She said they “started a conversation.” Can’t get more back handed than that.

  • 2patricius2

    I spent the last two days going to rallies – Clinton’s yesterday, and Sanders’ today. I could enthusiastically support either one in the general election. I see things in both that I like, and things in both that I question. But both are heads and shoulders above the sorry Republicant crew. Interestingly enough, both got huge applause when they made statements supporting LGBT people. So either there were a lot of LGBT people in both audiences, or there were a lot of supporters in both audiences. But if my gaydar is accurate, there were lots of the former. Also, I was in line to get into the Sanders rally with a gay friend, who checked his Grinder account and found one man 19 feet away from us, and one 30 feet away.

  • eastendleo

    I think this new apology adds to Clinton’s mistake of crediting the Reagans with positive efforts around AIDS,

    She says:

    “I’ve heard from countless people who were devastated by the loss of
    friends and loved ones, and hurt and disappointed by what I said. As
    someone who has also lost friends and loved ones to AIDS, I understand
    why.”

    I’m glad she understands why, but the greater question is how she made the mistake in the first place.

    Did she loose friends and loved ones? She says she did. Was she not angry at the role the religious right, the Republicans, and the Reagans! played in preventing education, funding, research (not to mention empathy and concern) in the face of this disease? And if she lost, and knew how that loss was aided and abetted by the Reagans (and if she did, how could she not?), how could she now praise those evil people?

    I just can not understand this.

    • FrancisMcGlitterbomb

      At a funeral she’s supposed to say they’re evil? Girl, you some kind of nasty.

  • Shawn Kopel

    This lady has dignity and class!! 🙂 I’m liking her more and more

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  • Blackbird

    She apologized and admitted she was wrong… we all get that but what I’m having a real problem with here – is that once again she was found pandering to another group for either favouritism or to win votes (all speculative).

    Ms. Clinton, respectively, is an intelligent woman, nothing gets pass this sharp lady – so why did she say that? Personally, I feel she was pandering to win hearts and votes to a group of people that more than likely will never vote for her. Suddenly it came back to bite her in the arse with a reaction from the LGBT community that was swift and angry… cue: the back-peddling!

    I’m another one of those guys, a holocaust AIDS survivor, left behind in the ravages that left few of us standing – we lost a great number of dear friends, mates and colleagues. The devastation and shock magnified by a President and his wife that said and did nothing – NOTHING. Looking back, it all seems so surreal today, in the light of the insurmountable LGBT gains we’ve made. Yet, some 30 years on and I’m still not over all those I lost. I left the country to live abroad (24 yrs) after burying the last of my friends and still live with their ghosts everyday.

    I’ve given Hillary a free pass and a benefit-of-the-doubt on a lot of things – but this ugly blatant pandering gesture – NO.
    That was one step too far for me… I’ve changed my mind about her. Apology accepted madam – but I’m now voting for Senator Sanders from Vermont.

    • FrancisMcGlitterbomb

      Hillary shows me with her comments about the Reagans that she doesn’t burn bridges. Unlike Bernie Sanders who wants to burn down Wall Street, Fifth Avenue, and all the banks. Besides, she was at a freaking funeral. What was she supposed to do, scream that the Reagans’ ignorance caused the death of hundreds of thousands? No, not at a funeral. Also, what journalist would ask this question at Nancy’s funeral for fuck’s sake? She gave the ultimate euphemism. The Reagans “Started a conversation”. They didn’t lead it. They didn’t manage the problem. The conversation started around their ignorance.

      • Blackbird

        How in god’s name did you ever arrive at the idea that Senator Sanders want to burn down Wall Street, Fifth Avenue and the banks? I’ve not read or caught that anywhere – I’m fairly politically savvy. I’m in the political broadcast business – mostly here in Europe – I keep a keen sharp eye to what’s taking place and going on in American fairly closely. I’ve listened to his hourly weekly programme for the last 11 years; I never recalled him ever even eluding to burning down these institutions so where and how you ever arrived at that idea?

        His message has not changed for the last 14 years, he was the lone voice in the House telling us that if we continued allowing the banks and Wall Street go this path it would lead to a large economic disaster. Guess what? He was 100% correct.

        Wall Street, the Banksters and CEOs of Fifth Avenue caused the largest economic recession that virtually effected and collapsed world markets – here in Europe and elsewhere, there are still countries trying to recover from the Great Recession of 2008 – a financial crisis that cost the United States over $12.8 trillion, 2.6 million jobs, and resulted in a Washington Post headline titled “U.S. Forces Nine Major Banks To Accept Partial Nationalization”. According to the Levi Economics Institute, the 2008 financial crisis resulted in “a Federal Reserve bailout commitment in excess of $29 trillion.”

        The dangerous manipulation by Wall Street and the Banksters of our economy has helped divert most of all new income to the top one percent, contributing to the most unequal level of wealth and income distribution of any major country on earth. At the pinnacle of this grotesque inequality is sitting a handful of financial institutions that are still so huge, the failure of any one of them would cause a catastrophic blow to millions of Americans and once again it would send the world economy into a larger crisis that would make Bush’s Recession of 2008 seem like a day at Disneyland.

        And Francis, the income inequality in America today is the highest it’s been since 1928, major corporations and Fifth Avenue companies that earn billions in profits stash their money in tax havens and pay virtually nothing in federal income taxes, while billionaire hedge fund managers pay a lower effective tax rate than the average middle-class 40-hour a week worker. In case that goes over your head – you, Francis, personally paid more taxes last year than the CEOs of the top six Wall Street investment firms combined.

        For the past 40 years, the billionaire class have rigged the rules to redistribute wealth and income to the wealthiest and most powerful people in this country. As a result, Wall Street exists as an island unto itself, benefiting only the extremely wealthy while using our money to get rich. The sky-rocketing level of income and wealth inequality is not only grotesque and immoral, it is economically unsustainable.

        Many Americans like yourself still aren’t comfortable with confronting Wall Street greed but it must be done – and there is only one candidate addressing and confronting this issue everyday from the Senate chambers to the campaign trail today. Our country is literally standing on the precipice of an open abyss. This is it, Francis – there will be no second chances to get this right. World economists have continued to warn us that we have stretched that balloon as far as it will go, most are warning that 2018 is perhaps the furthest we can go unless someone begins seriously addressing these vital unbalanced issues with the greed of Wall Street and the Banksters.

        There is only one candidate serious enough to break up the banks, break up the juggernaut hold Wall Street has on us, on you and me Francis, and especially able to reverse the decision of Citizens United.
        Senator Sanders seems to be the only one doing a reality check here, addressing that issue every time he steps before a mic while his leading opponent continues to take funds and donations from those very same people that will eventually destroy our democracy and the world economy.

        The former corporate raider Asher Edelman on whom the “Wall Street” Gordon Gekko film character are based on, said it best last week on the CBNC’s “Fast Money”…
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wAa9DqHZtM

        Concerning the Reagan issue… “Sorry to hear about your mother.”
        I think that about covers it, don’t you?

        Give your polite condolences and move on.
        Why say anything about AIDS?
        And of all the things to mention – why in god’s name did she bring that up?!
        If there was anything that the Reagan’s were absolutely known for, especially by the LGBT community: they will always be remembered by us and history as demonstrative evil of unsympathetic cruelty and callousness when something, anything, could have been done in the AIDS holocaust.
        17,586 cumulative known deaths from AIDS and another 1.2 million infected during the Reagan tenure in office and Ronny and Nancy did and said nothing.

        Nothing!

  • bongo

    “And that’s why I opposed gay marriage until the minute it became politically expedient to do so”. ha ha ha

  • Micklak

    I sort of wanted to hear an explanation of how the mistake happened.

  • James Vincent

    Bill Clinton had two HIV+ Men speak at the 1992 Convention–then we got Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell and DOMA. Bitch, please.

    • FrancisMcGlitterbomb

      DADT was the first punch in a two-punch gay equality plan. First keep gay military from being ejected. Then, once they’re firmly in place, add gay marriage. Without the first punch, gays would have been ejected from the military, and then where would we be now?

  • James Vincent

    Hillary only said what she said because she wants to play cozy to Reagan Democrats and Possible Republican supporters. This was OUR HOLOCAUST.

  • timothy anderson

    She didn’t “make a mistake”.

    She didn’t “misspeak”.

    She lied…

    The Clinton’s campaigned against Republican obstruction and silence on AIDS. Hillary was the first First Lady to visit the Names Project Quilt display.

    Her Nancy Reagan statement was a naked attempt to exploit unchallenged network coverage to appeal to Reagan Democrats and the language she choose to honor Nancy Reagan, while fictional, certainly reinforces Hillary’s “pragmatic” Goldwater gal, Wal*Mart Union busting, free trade enabling and DADT/DOMA throw the gays under the bus sell out theology.

    A real apology would not have used the shield of mispeaking or mistake but taken full responsibility for lying, for revising a history she damn well knows, and then –if she has any integrity–she’d have asked for forgiveness. That is what genuine humility looks like.

    • FrancisMcGlitterbomb

      Relax, queen. At the funeral she said the Reagans started a “conversation.” That’s political parlance for “did fucking nothing.” The problem is you’re too Bernie-desperate to recognize it wasn’t a gaffe at all. In fact, it was faint priaise, and it was true. They started the conversation. Like George Bush started a conversation about Katrina. Keep making hay, queen.

  • FrancisMcGlitterbomb

    Our parents teach us that at a funeral, say nice things. Two days later, let the sparks fly. That’s exactly what Hillary did. No apology necessary.