Hillary Apologizes: I Misspoke About Reagans & AIDS

Minutes ago Hillary Clinton issued the above apology for her earlier claim that Nancy Reagan’s “low-key advocacy” had spurred action on AIDS during the Reagan administration. Kudos to the Clinton camp for acting so quickly. Now let’s see if this story continues to have legs. I’ll update this post with reactions as they arrive.

  • DaddyRay

    That was a pretty big oops

  • watchthewingnuts

    How exactly does an apology make the grossly tone deaf comments she made any better? You can’t walk that back. I’m a huge Hillary supporter… and this hurts.

    • Jake

      Oh fuck off

      • watchthewingnuts

        Thank you for your mature and persuasive insight into the situation. Trump supporters devolve into profanity and insults to make their point. I’d expect better from Joe’s readers.

        • David Milley

          It was a mistake — took my breath away, as well. Her apology hits exactly the right note, unadorned and honest, with no blame-shifting. But it’s a big gaffe — the only way to walk this back is to show good faith with the community going forward, to prove it was anomalous. Hillary’s past history indicates to me that she’ll work hard to do that.

          (Still supporting Bernie, though.)

      • Jeffrey

        Sometimes that’s all you really can say.

    • DaddyRay

      What exactly else would you have her do?
      An apology is something you never get out of a republican

      • CPT_Doom

        My feeling exactly. I’m willing to give her the benefit of the doubt – she’s campaigning for President, she did rallies in three different states yesterday, so I have no doubt that’s extremely fatiguing. She didn’t try to spin this, rather she acknowledged an understandable error – because Nancy Reagan was a rare pro-stem cell research advocate within the GOP.

        Interestingly, her statement was sort of correct, in that the refusal of the Reagans to openly address the crisis of AIDS started a national conversation, but it was about how horrible they were.

        • DaddyRay

          it started a nation screaming

    • Sam_Handwich

      as i noted in the other thread, no one knows this history but gay men. sad but true.

      that’s not an excuse for her lazy statement, but an attempt at explanation.

    • another_steve

      Watchthewingnuts… You have never, in your life, said something that was flat-out wrong and that you regretted saying?

      • watchthewingnuts

        Sure I have, and I wouldn’t claim for a moment otherwise. The difference is that I’m not running for the most powerful position in the world… nor does it undo the impact of what I may have said by apologizing. The words are still there. We’ll just have to see what happens now and how she weathers this, I guess.

        • another_steve

          Ironically, it was her husband who taught us that even the most powerful and mighty are frail human beings who sometimes make terrible, terrible mistakes.

          I don’t require perfection in the politicians I vote for.

          • lymis

            I don’t require perfection in my politicians, either, but what Reagan did was not just a “mistake,” it was a deliberate choice, continued for a long time, that caused the unnecessary pain and death of a huge number of people who didn’t in any way deserve it.

            Just because I don’t expect perfection doesn’t mean that they get a pass for inhumanity.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        “I’m a top.”

        • pickypecker

          LOL

        • another_steve

          LMAO! I couldn’t say that even if I wanted to, girl.

          One look at me and the entire universe — all the fuckin’ galaxies — shout “BOTTOM!!!”

  • Jake

    Good for her.

  • HZ81

    Hang her! Feel the Bern…ing in hell!! Um, evil Hillary!! Um…

    Or add your own.

    • Treant

      Yeah, I expect a lot of “evil woman” “she doesn’t mean the apology” and “define misspoke you cur” going on in this thread.

      • PeterC

        No, yo are the first to bring that up.

  • Jeffrey

    Good for her for realizing she misspoke or misunderstood and immediately clarified.

  • Michael Smith

    Don’t know if I buy that, but at least she didn’t double down on such a stupid comment.

  • Pollos Hermanos

    Funny thing is the right wing can’t touch this gaffe at all.

    They don’t want to talk about how Saint Reagan let people like Gary Bauer set policies that killed thousands of people.

    • DaddyRay

      So true – you can bet it will not be Fox News Fodder

      • Joe knows who I am.

        I doubt FOX will even to attempt using this against her since it would shine way to much light on Saint Ronnie’s, arguably criminal, behavior.

        • pj

          theres no argument. he and his wife were criminal in their neglect.

          • Ninja0980

            Her even more so since it’s likely St.Ronnie was starting to lose his mind at this point.

          • Not to mention his criminal use of influence to get the extraordinary patent for the first 3 available AIDS drugs assigned to one of his largest campaign contributors… but that’s not illegal, NOOOOO! (picture the smoke coming out of my ears, and the molten lava dripping from my fangs as I said that)

          • pj

            couldnt agree more. was fucking hillary asleep during the reagans? didnt she realize there was a holocost going on? im really angry right now and her apology aint way enough. nancy and her husband behaved shamefully …common knowledge.

          • KCMC

            common knowledge perhaps for some of us that were around then.
            Younger twitter crowd is blowing up over this as new learning of living history.

          • pj

            my friends were suffering and dying while nancy went shopping. shame on all of them.

          • I quit counting in ’93, I ran out of tears in ’99, I discovered I had more in 2000. The one thing I have never done this past 30 years is run out of loathing for Reagan and Bush.

          • pj

            ive never counted….i dont want to know.

          • sam

            to PJ, and all……………I had a little “bell” always by my side, and when the phone rang, or told, I rang it for another angel has past. If you re-call during those years, they were very difficult years for all. It was not until the blood transfusions for hemophiliacs that also developed HIV that the tide started to turn against “it’s a gay disease brought to them by god” Also with more research coming from the African Nations the Heterosexual woman started HIV signs also.
            ****** and Thank the Blue Skies for the LESBIAN community****, for they stepped in in full force, because those caring for friends and lovers really started to “burn out”
            The Regans…………may they rot……………As far as Bill Clinton I do re-call more of an openness to discussion and research started. I also agree it must have been one of Hilary’s speech writers that wrote her initial words.
            BUT Hilary does not pull any punches and quickly apologized for the mis-spoken words. Give her a break with all the bad mouthing about her. We are all not perfect.

          • 2karmanot

            Exactly….I sent a grave wreath of garlic to express my condolences.

          • Jamie Brewer

            You are speaking for many here. I used to keep a list till it hurt too much to keep adding names. That was in 1993. Never forget.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            i saw many friends and boyfriends wither waste and die. It was a very dark time. Sad. Its was exactly like a war. Im still shell shocked.

          • Mark

            Joshua Kadison – Delilah Blue

            “Does the year 2000 ever scare you ’cause it’s comin’ up so fast?

            This getting older thing seems to be more about just learnin’ how to last.

            Flippin’ through my old phone book, Delilah, all our mad, mad friends…

            We were such a cast.

            What do I keep this old dog-eared thing for?

            Most our friends ain’t even here no more.

            I’m feeling lonely as a ghost town whore left still standin’ up somehow.

            Oh, Delilah Blue, what do we do now?”

          • KCMC

            Nancy’s friends were dying. incomprehensible

          • rickhfx

            Yet Nancy had good gay friends like her dress designer. Yet could not have cared less had he died of aids, shame on her.

          • No, during the Reagan era she was busy working as a Partner in the Rose Law Firm, and helping Bill with his first term in the Arkansas Governor’s mansion. She knew full well what was happening, but your comment makes clear you don’t care about that. Like most of Bernie’s butt-kissers, all you care about is pulling some fake outrage out of your ass and wiping on every available surface. Grow up.

          • studd55

            Hillary was on the frontlines during the AIDS Epidemic.

            It’s true. She told us so.

          • Stephen Elliot Phillips

            yeah she fucked up royally. Im not sure whether I should be mad at her for being utterly dim on the subject of the reagans nonchalance during the horrific, mounting AIDS crises.
            or angry with her because Im sure she knew that statement was flat out false. She’s almost too smart to have made this pitiful mistake.
            The only silver lining is that under her husbands tenure, AIDS was discussed, better funded, and effective drugs were developed.

          • bayhuntr

            I’m disappointed in Hilary, although, talk to straight people, they don’t know about this. I think even today, when I explain it to good straight people, that are misinformed, they look at me like that can’t be true. I believe he delayed research by about four years, that would’ve been one of my brothers and my lover. Makes this atheist wish there was a hell from him to burn in.

          • Amanda B. Rekendwith

            Someone (I can’t remember who) posted this her at JMG just the other day. Very powerful 7 minutes, and worth sharing with everyone. You are correct…unless you were living it, people were (and many still are) blissfully ignorant.
            http://dp8hsntg6do36.cloudfront.net/565cadc9ff2afb0d45000003/908df3bd-fe4f-4e98-b248-53ab458f708elow.mp4

          • Strepsi

            She’s not “straight people” she’s a career politician and former First Lady who made a terrible heinous gaffe that she should have know better about.

          • I think she knew and was trying to draw in GoPers

          • bayhuntr

            “terrible heinous” Or you describing Hillary or the Reagan’s?

          • Lawerence Collins

            Hillary’s supposed support of us. An intelligent argument could be made that at least someone in her camp would’ve filled her in. Or she should’ve known.

    • Michael Smith

      Yeah the first Republican to call her out on it would get crucified by the party.

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    • David Milley

      (twirling my mustache at the prospect)

    • Acronym Jim

      Anybody willing to bet that Fox et al will report on the original eulogy but ignore the apology?

      On second thought, maybe not. They wouldn’t want to give the impression that the Reagans did anything to help “filthy sodomites.”

      • studd55

        But it shows how gracious Nancy was to try to help save her longtime friends Rock Hudson and Liberace by her quick response to the AIDS Epidemic. She was nearly as wonderful as St. Ronnie and finally Hillary is telling the truth about that beloved couple. Hillary has joined Merv Griffen in her praise of the wonderful Reagan years.

        • ColdCountry

          Did you actually type that with a straight face?

          • Todd20036

            I thought it was snark

          • ColdCountry

            Most certainly! But I would have been laughing too hard to type all that.

    • radiofreerome

      Hundreds of thousands.

    • WebSlinger
      • Could only watch half. Despicable.
        But Hillary should likely watch.

  • Alan43

    Tempted to say “Oops” but I don’t think this rises to the level of a Rick Perry-style mistake

  • Joe knows who I am.

    I’ll accept the apology. I realize she’s not an idiot but, this does make me less inclined to trust than I already was.

    • Jeffrey

      Yes, how dare she make a mistake and immediately apologize for it.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    It’s good that she was able to do that, and without the BS “if you were offended” caveat. Please remember, everyone, that even though she deserves to be criticized for her earlier remarks, we would do well not to forget the bigger picture.

  • Michael Hampton

    I guess someone showed her the internet between her first statement and her recent one.

    • Joe knows who I am.

      I’m glad it blew up so quickly. That says volumes for the education of people at large on the AIDS crisis.

      • SoCalVet

        It all just makes me cry. from being reminded of how much I hated NR, to how much they ignored us, to how much I hate that Hillary made this mistake, and how much I have felt she was on my side through all of it. I don’t want to think about it. It’s all painful. Can’t we just have some peace?

        • Joe knows who I am.

          Right there with you.

  • RickCabral

    Hey! Stop calling the ogres nice guys. Planning to rewrite all our fairy tales?

  • Lazycrockett

    Yay new topic, what were we just talking bout?

    • Joe knows who I am.

      The bars.

      • Lazycrockett

        Ohhhh Lights!! Shiny spinning ball!

    • Gustav2

      It is cocktail hour…

    • pickypecker

      Boys, blowjobs, Spring fashions….the usual.

      • McShane

        Speaking of boys and blowjobs…

  • bkmn

    Holy shit….an actual real apology.

    • David Milley

      Yeah, I know — right?

      • bkmn

        It’s been decades since I have seen one of those things in the wild.

        • Treant

          You do see them, but almost always from Democrats.

    • PLAINTOM

      First person and everything.

  • rabbit_ears

    ….

    • Treant

      It’s amusing, but I don’t follow?

  • AW

    I’m happy that she was quick to respond to this VERY big misstep. I suppose I’m ready to move on, and hopefully this will ultimately shed more light on the Reagan’s terrible handling of the AIDS crisis.

    • Gustav2

      There has been a lot of revisionist history in the straight MSM about Reagan and AIDS in the past few years.

      • Joe knows who I am.

        I think that’s what gets us so riled up. Even against Hillary. Nay, especially when it’s Hillary. It hurts when someone tries to whitewash this history even when it isn’t necessarily intentional.

        • m_lp_ql_m

          “Straightwash” is the term.

          • David Milley

            (wan smile) I once tried to tell a young radical progressive that she was “straightsplaining” to me. The downhill pace of that conversation accelerated markedly thereafter …

      • AW

        Well now is the time to set that right. Reading that Teen Vogue (Teen Vogue?! of all places) article about Nancy Reagan and the AIDS crisis was refreshing. We need more of that.

        • Gustav2

          And we need to scream like we did today every time some Reagan flunkie tries to say the monies in the budget earmarked for ‘infectious diseases’ were for AIDS.

  • Sam_Handwich

    i was only a teenager when reagan president, but i sure knew i was gay. what a confusing and horrible time, watching the evening news about “GAY RELATED” immune deficiency… and i even remember the press (when we had such a thing) expressing their frustration over the administration’s lack of response

    • m_lp_ql_m

      Besides Anita, Ron and Nancy drove me deeper into the closet. Years of wasted life.

      • Sam_Handwich

        i’m sorry. however, my closet door fell off around 3rd grade 🙂

        • Joe knows who I am.

          I ripped mine off at 17. Not the most stylish, but it worked! Lol

        • sherman

          Sandwiches with an olive and fancy toothpick are rather hard to hide.

          • Sam_Handwich

            with my trusty pick, even Saran Wrap can’t contain me!

          • That’s not what I’ve heard…
            …oh! Wait… I wasn’t supposed to spill that was I? Dammit, my bad!

        • BeaverTales

          For the last 25 years, I was the only known mo out of an extended family of nearly 20 Catholicky homophobes.

          My extended family produced a bumper crop of lesbian second cousins coming out of the closet in high school this year—all of them baby butches with dykey tattoos…my uncs and aunts learned a hard lesson from my mother’s agony about my coming out at age 21, but this year they were nothing but supportive.

          Did I ever get a thank you card from my gay relatives? Nooooo fricken way. They actually think that homophobia was never a thing in this family. Lulz

      • BeaverTales

        Ron and Nancy destroyed Science, and in addition to not funding AIDS research, had stem cell research not been politicized, we’d probably have more cures for random viruses and cancer by now.

        • Chucktech

          You can thank Moron Bush for stifling stem cell research. I can’t help but feel a tinge of anger every time I hear of a possible breakthrough because I wonder how much further along would we be had it not been for Bush’s know-nothing, god infused position on science.

    • oikos

      Remember it well. I was 15 in 1980 and active but not out. I was absolutely terrified.

  • another_steve

    Yet another reason to vote for her; she understands “I’m sorry, I made a mistake.”

    That, and those 11 hours she endured — with incredible grace and dignity — during that Benghazi hearing.

    Her performance during that convinced me that the woman is prepared to lead the country for the next eight years.

    • elvigy

      It was those 11 hours that flipped me from voting for Bernie to voting for Hillary next week in the NC primary. I was astounded by that. Eleven. Fucking. Hours. and she OWNED it.

      • another_steve

        Agree. I was…like…fuckin’ amazed by it.

        I can’t imagine the degree of self-control, the degree of self-discipline, that enables a human being to comport herself like that under such incredible pressure.

        It was a truly amazing thing to behold.

        • FancyThat

          Mm-hmmmmmm!!!

      • Jafafa Hots

        Gosh, I guess BERNIE should have praised the Reagans with total bullshit and then apologized to keep your vote.

        (Seriously….WTF?)

    • hiker_sf

      Nowhere does she say sorry or that she apologizes.

      • Gene

        she…uh…said “I’m sorry”…its, right there….

      • Todd20036

        … For that I am sorry

        I’m sure you didn’t read the tweet closely. That’s in this thread. Up top. In large font.

        Enjoy

        • hiker_sf

          No, she said that she was sorry that she misspoke. That isn’t an apology.

          • Sorry that she misspoke (whether you like that terminology for having spoken wrongly or not) is an apology for what she said. “Misspoke” is the political cover word for “stepped in shit/fucked up,” kind of like how no one will call a lie a lie. It’s a mistruth, an exaggeration. Yeah, we can quibble about that, but it was an apology, just the same.

    • wc1e

      Here is what she said:
      “It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS in the 1980s. And because of both President and Mrs. Reagan, in particular, Mrs. Reagan, we started national conversation when before no one would talk about it, no one wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something that I really appreciate, with her very effective, low-key advocacy, but it penetrated the public conscience and people began to say ‘Hey, we have to do something about this too.’

      That is not a “I misspoke”, a misspeak is something like “Nancy Reagan started the national conversation about “AIDS”, excuse me, I meant Alzheimers”.

      Also, rematch the video and look how much conviction she puts behind what she’s saying.

      I misspoke my ass.

      • another_steve

        Two comments.

        First, it’s quite possible that a staffer wrote Clinton’s original comments on the matter. She’s running for President of the United States and doesn’t have the time to personally write all of her prepared remarks. I assure you.

        Second, this thread and the related thread on the subject reflect the deep and pervasive denial among some in our community re something we who were there in the 80s know — that there was not a general sounding of the alarm in the LGBT community in the early years of the epidemic. There was lots and lots of denial — just as there was among the straight community. Lots of “let’s keep partying — it’s affecting THEM, not us.”

        Watch, now, for the hateful ad hominem replies to this comment of mine — typical when one opens a box that prefers to remain closed.

        • Estrafalario

          Ugh. She wasn’t reading a statement. She was being interviewed. I believe many things about her, but I don’t think she’s robotically reading a statement like Marco Rubio.
          She f#cked up. That is all. She’s apologized. Some of us will want more, others will think it’s no big whoop.
          The media will not cover this after the next day — which says so much about the media narratives and who guides them.

        • wc1e

          If you look at the entire interview, she and Andrea Mitchell spoke about Alzheimer’s for quite some time. Then they moved on to gun control and Sec Clinton was clear that something has to be done.

          And then, with no prompting, Hillary recalled how Mrs Reagan was ALSO so good on AIDS issues. This was NOT a confusing moment where she was meaning to speak about what they had already covered. This was a new subject from Clinton’s memory.

          • another_steve

            Impossible to get into Clinton’s head, but a real possibility is that in anticipation of being asked about Nancy Reagan’s legacy, Clinton’s staff prepared talking points for her, which she read on a plane or in her limousine on the way to the studio. Quite possible that a staffer fucked up on the AIDS piece.

            I worked in government for a long time. I and my staff prepared tons of talking points for government officials. I think I know how this stuff works.

            People fuck up.

            We all fuck up from time to time.

    • April

      No thanks. I may think about voting for her if she releases the transcripts of her speeches she gave to all those Wall Street firms and the big banks. Donating those millions in speaking fees to a legitimate charity would help too.

      The way I see it she thinks she is entitled to be POTUS as payback for putting up with Bill’s tomcat ways.

    • studd55

      Her performance

  • Cuberly

    Thanks Hillz. Apology accepted.

    • GayOldLady

      I agree Cub!!! We all lost loved ones, I personally lost a cousin and several friends. It was a difficult time for all of us, one that straight people simply do not comprehend.

      • Cuberly

        …a HELL of a lot of em don’t.

        • pj

          like hillary i guess

  • Ninja0980

    As I said in the other thread, in her attempts to sound nice about someone who died she stepped in it.
    She gave an actual apology without any of the usual crap that goes along with it.
    I hope we can accept it and move on, there are bigger fish to fry.

    • DaddyRay

      agreed – at least there wasn’t the “If you were offended, I apologize” crap

      • hiker_sf

        Saying that she is sorry that she “misspoke” is about 1 degree away from “if you were offended.”

    • Sam_Handwich

      bigger schlongs to stew

    • Acronym Jim

      Smaller hands to hold to the fire.

    • hiker_sf

      That’s an apology? She didn’t condemn the genoicidal inaction by the Reagans.

      Oh, and they only supported stem cell research when they were desperate for a cure of Ronnie’s Alzheimer’s. It had nothing to do with doing the right thing. It was a selfish act.

      • Jeffrey

        You’re not saying that you think Hillary should have gone full attack mode on a 94 year old dead lady on the day of her funeral. That would be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

        • hiker_sf

          I’m saying that she needs to acknowledge that – at some point. And that was no lady – that was Reagan’s wife.

          • Gene

            agreed…but…on the day of a funeral, ya cant go full Trump…ya gotta show some class (even if the dead did not deserve it, which, she did not)

          • FancyThat

            Hillary’s comments praising Nancy for her work with the AIDS crisis created what she knew would be an instant media backlash. (Thanks, backlashers!) This allowed her to politely correct herself and set the record straight on the Reagan’s appalling backshelving of the entire AIDS crisis. Nancy’s eventual buoying of GOP-dreaded stem cell research came only when dementia/Alzheimer’s hit uncomfortably close to home.

            Even son Ron acknowledged in his eulogy that his mother could be “a royal pain in the ass.” She was, and certainly put the “I” in Diva.

            While draped in her designer gowns, she waltzed to the music with her beloved Ronny — as an entire generation died.

            Thank-you, Mrs. Clinton, for reminding the world, ever-so-cleverly, of the true Reagan legacy.

          • Jafafa Hots

            Oh come on. I do hope you are being facetious and not thinking that this was “a clever plan by HRC to demonize the Reagans without taking the political heat for it.”

          • FancyThat

            I know…. it was a far stretch…..

            Through November, Secretary Clinton is really going to have to critically self-edit and scrutinize everything that she says or that’s written on her behalf. Any word or nuance that misses the mark will be held against her immediately — especially when she’s tossing out stuff that’s completely inaccurate. I’m sure there were a LOT of face-palms when she let loose on this one. And when it gets down to the wire in the general election, Drumpf will try and crucify her on any similar hint of inaccuracy.

            I wish somehow the Dowager Countess Violet Crawley could be Hillary’s official mouthpiece from now on. She doesn’t mince words, and even when she’s at a disadvantage, she manages to slice ‘n dice with a simple turn of phrase. In one fell swoop of tongue, the Dowager could hand Donald his meatballs on a platter.

          • zackben

            Agreed. Apparently Jeffrey cannot brook a single criticism of Clinton, even when she is clearly out of touch with our history.

            This is a pretty huge mistake to make – not “oh, I misspoke, I forgot about that time there was a genocide created by the Reagans’ inaction….”

          • Jeffrey

            You don’t know me, and I don’t recall ever having a discussion about Clinton with you. You’re obviously someone who is elated over this gaffe and is mistakenly thinking it means anything.

          • zackben

            I don’t care about Clinton either way (I’m an ex pat whose vote doesn’t count anyway). My intention was to preserve the real memory of what happened to us, when our brothers died while the Reagans watched and did nothing.

            I would invite you to read the full quote from Clinton. She says, “not a lot of people remember how hard it was to talk about AIDS in the 1980s, and the Reagans, especially Nancy, started a national conversation about it.”

            That is not a mis-statement. That is a bold-face lie, or massive ignorance. I don’t care who said it, it is wrong and damaging, and our gay history is being lied about.

            I’m not elated about it, and it’s not a gaffe: it is hurtful and obnoxious and disrespectful.

          • Librarykid

            Maybe she was thinking about Elizabeth Taylor, a better actress and human being.

          • erinmatt

            Amen. I thought her comments were sickening. Plenty of us were talking about AIDS but nobody in power was listening.

          • dr morbius

            It means NOTHING, huh? You are one brainwashed Hilbot.

          • Jeffrey

            And your a mindless Bernie Bro. I almost hope that Bernie does get elected just so you can be embarrassed about how little he gets done. I know you want your freebies, little cockroaches, but you’re not getting them from my tax dollars. Now, back under the fridge with you.

          • dr morbius

            At last, an admitted neocon scum Hilbot! I applaud your honesty. Yes, I deserve plenty of freebies from this goddamn criminal country, especially as CANCER is slowly driving me into poverty thanks to my capitalist workplace “health plan.”

            Not really a Berniebro here (he’s not left enough), but I will vote for him next month even though the fix is in. Maybe a mountain will fall on Ms Rodham.

          • Jeffrey

            Yawn…

          • Jafafa Hots

            Scratch a Hillary Supporter, find a right-winger complaining about “cockroaches getting freebies from my tax dollars.”

            Shouldn’t you be busy spending your time forming Log Cabin Tea Partiers?

          • Jeffrey

            No, actually I’m a flaming liberal. But you’re not getting what I worked my ass off for. Sorry, kiddo. Go get a job.

          • Jafafa Hots

            You’re a flaming liberal who complains about poor cockroaches getting free stuff with your tax dollars?
            No, you’re not a liberal. You’re either a liar or delusional. In either case, your opinions are worthless.

          • studd55

            Hillary’s original “misspoken” comments to MSNBC had been prepared days in advance and vetted thoroughly. The death of a former first lady is not something you just casually discuss. Especially if you are running for President. This was not some off the cuff response that she got wrong.

            Why did Hillary even go there? She could have chosen so many other things to “praise” Nancy for. Like the lovely china she picked for the White House.

        • dr morbius

          You’re an ostrichlike quisling. Go to hell and take your crazed militarist candidate with you.

    • greenmanTN

      Agreed. When I first heard about her original comments I was like, WTF?! It was right after discussing the article in TEEN VOGUE (of all places) with friends that was so on-the-mark about the Reagan legacy on AIDS. Then Hillary steps in….

      But she apologized, without hedging, and did it quickly.

      • Kevin Perez

        Hillary indicated that she was sorry because she misspoke. She didn’t misspeak, she rewrote history. Misspeaking would be saying AIDS instead of Spays in reference to pets. Hillary was an adult back then. She lived through it like all of us older folk who are still alive did. Either she wasn’t paying attention at the time or she was intentionally re-writing history. Either way, that bothers me.

        • greenmanTN

          You make a very good point. On some level I’m aware I’m making excuses for her because I support her for the Dem candidate, not so much on ideological grounds but because I see her as more “electable,” whatever that means. I think she’s a political whore, but she’s OUR political whore, so I cut her more slack.

          • studd55

            But how far will you go in overlooking what she claims?

            I’m gonna be truly sickened to see the LGBT Community agree with her when she utters the Republican Talking Points throughout the General. Silently or otherwise.

            It’s immoral and not something I plan to participate in.

          • Gene

            them you help the republcans, who are infinitely worse. thats, well, juvenile

          • dr morbius

            INFINITELY, huh? When Obama has been worse than W on surveillance, whistleblowers, deportations….

          • zackben

            Thank you for this honest answer. It’s hard to swallow when even our supporters are so tepid or misinformed. I felt the same way when Obama in 2008 couldn’t bring himself to support marriage equality. I’m a big believer in evolution…let this be a teachable moment for Hilary. She clearly needs to bone up on her gay history.

          • dr morbius

            SHE KNOWS what happened. She is a LIAR.

          • greenmanTN

            I usually try to be honest, with myself if no one else. I haven’t really looked much at Bernie Sanders because, to me, it just doesn’t matter. One thing you can say about Hillary Clinton is that the Right Wing has hated her for 20+ years, documented every fart and queef, but they STILL can’t bring her down. She’s a political machine in all senses of those words.

            I worry that if Bernie Sanders got the nom, against either Trump or Cruz, his Socialist ideals, most of which I agree with BTW, would (and will) be used against him, and let’s face it, the American public as a rule isn’t very bright. Between a “man of God,” like Cruz and an avowed Socialist like Sanders, things become a bit more unpredictable.

            Or maybe I’m just a chicken-shit. But no matter who gets the nomination for the Dem ticket I will support them.

        • FancyThat

          Is it possible that perhaps Hillary’s a more clever politician than given credit for? On the day of Queen Nancy’s final hurrah, Hillary was able to artfully remind the world, without breaking decorum, about the true horrific legacy of the Reagan family.

          • Bill_Perdue

            HRH HRC will be pro-gay when

          • Thom Kulesa

            Do you honestly believe she was deliberately “reminding” the world about the Reagan legacy of ignoring AIDS? That’s far fetched.

            She said what she believed. She was wrong. She got called out for it by a hell of a lot of people, so she was forced to apologize. It’s pretty simple and obvious.

            If you think, instead, that this was some complex chess move, planned out by a brilliant media strategist, you really must be in love.

          • dr morbius

            Oh, from the people who brought you Obama’s Actually a Liberal Playing Four-Dimensional Vulcan Chess! Idiots.

          • Jafafa Hots

            Jesus. You DO believe your own fantasy-world bullshit.

        • ozbrad

          I agree she definitely lived through that period and even would have had friends die. She’s not 20.

        • Miji

          Even though she was an adult, she was living as a straight woman in Arkansas, so while I feel she certainly should have been more aware, I can understand that it would not be seared into her memory in the same way as it would for a gay man living through it.
          I don’t know that she is the one rewriting history. Maybe she’s just heard too much of all the people who are. Hell, I heard a friend of Nancy’s call into MSNBC the day after she died trying to push some BS story about Nancy being great on AIDS and even being the one who got Liz Taylor involved. I have heard that it was only because of Nancy (and her eventual guilt about not doing anything for Hudson), that Reagan ever actually acknowledged AIDS at all. I think some Nancy supporters have been trying to spin that into her being great on AIDS for a long time.

          • Jafafa Hots

            “She’s not a liar, she’s just incredibly out of touch with reality.”

            Yeah, that makes a GREAT campaign slogan.

        • FrancisMcGlitterbomb

          Look at what Hillary really said. She said, at Nancy’s funeral, that Nancy was a low key AIDs advocate. She’s basically saying in a nice way that Nancy did fucking nothing. That’s as nice as you can say it at her funeral. Hyacinth Buquet couldn’t have sugar coated it better. Also, Hillary said that the Reagans started a conversation. Look how carefully worded she put it. It’s brilliant. She didn’t say they held the conversation, or that they drove the conversation, or that they led the charge for care and prevention. She said they started a conversation. And that conversation was about them. Get it? They started a conversation, around their inaction. She’s at a funeral, and she’s honoring the dead. What is she supposed to scream like an ACT UP rebel while the family is grieving? No, she’ll wait two weeks to do that.

      • dr morbius

        She apologized OUT OF POLITICAL NECESSITY. The reason she does everything except breathe and shit.

    • j.martindale

      So, she got it wrong. And…

      • studd55

        Her entire bullshit stuff about being on the frontlines in the LGBT movement seems even less credible.

        Hillary: AIDS Epidemic? What AIDS Epidemic?

    • Michael Rush

      There’s a difference between an occasional misstep
      and a deeply flawed character .

      • Matt M

        Just like Cheney was for some limited recogniction of gay rights…because his lesbian daughter…only if it affects them, and only then, will Republicans give a shit about an issue that helps anyone but the rich elite. Otherwise, it’s a big fuck you to any issue that actually helps regular people or promotes progess in our country.

    • She’s showing her true colors.

      • Jafafa Hots

        What color IS bullshit, anyway?

  • TKW

    At least she can admit her fuck-up. I’m sure she’s just trying to appeal to the more conservatives. Apology accepted.

    • Bruno

      Lying in such a way to appeal to conservatives is NOT forgivable. Ignorance on the issue is.

    • Ninja0980

      I think it was trying to think of something nice to say for someone who just died.
      Alas, in doing so she stepped in, something I’ve seen happen to famous and non famous people alike.

  • Dagoril

    Wow. I’m so used to Republicants and their non-apology apologies, I have no idea how to even react.

  • SkippyFlipjack

    It might be nice if she was specific about how she misspoke. Like, that their record on HIV and AIDS was nothing but awful.

  • Prion

  • Gindy51

    You would have to wait a thousand years to get the same apology from the GOPpers.

    • Gustav2

      You mean a fauxpology as in, “For those who may have been offended…”

    • Michael Alden

      They wont apologize, they’ll somehow pretend they were LGBT allies all along and Dems were the real homophobes, ain’t that what they have basically done with other issues before.

  • Prion

    ..,

    • sherman

      I vote Tuesday. I am still not decided.

      You are only hurting Bernie’s chance. I wish his supporter’s were as classy as he is.

  • GayOldLady

    Glad she addressed it quickly. Those of us in the LGBT community who support her wouldn’t have changed our vote over it, but it was disturbing.

    • Sam_Handwich

      she certainly learned something today

      • Gustav2

        WE REMEMBER!

        • GayOldLady

          We will never forget!

      • AW

        Hillary:

    • coram nobis

      Or it could be she wanted the story to drop out of the news cycle instead of being a three-day drip, drip, drip.

      • Todd20036

        I’ve seen politicians ignore a scandal often enough hoping it goes away

        Only to offer a delayed, half-ass apology days later

  • Prion

    .,.

  • FLL

    Nancy Reagan died. In trying to say something nice about Nancy Reagan, Hillary said something stupid and inaccurate. She admitted her mistake quickly. In contrast, the Republican candidates don’t admit their stupid and inaccurate statements, but just double down on them, as if the entire world is required to kiss their ass. (Hint: The world is not required to kiss Republican ass.)

    • AW

      Well, we expect more from our candidates. People do make stupid mistakes. I’d still like this gaff to become a larger part of her campaign though, provide more history on the AIDS crisis and perhaps show how it got better under Bill. And again, it’s just because I expect more.

      • coram nobis

        BTW, I think it’s “gaffe”. Gaff is a hook you use to pull a fish out of the water, IINM.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          So, what exactly does a gaffer do with all that tape?

          • coram nobis

            Go phish?

  • RevTimmyAwestruckian

    Oh, Hillary.

    Your prompt apology might be accepted by November? Yet it’s enough of a shocking statement that it’d be tempting to write in “Rock Hudson” or countless thousands of other names, to witness your dreadful ‘misspeaking’ of the dead’s actual history of life and death under Ronald Regan’s inhumane and heterosex-supremacist reign.

    ———-

    “We shall overcome the lethal myth of heterosex-supremacy that dominates life and law on Planet Heterosex-Supremacy!” – Rev. Timmy, Ordained Awestruckian

    Heterosex-supremacist politicians, regardless of their godstyle-choice, that choose to pervert the sanctity of our legal marriage into their political football choose to not earn our votes.

    Welcome VIDEO: https://youtu.be/0GJN5JcjhOQ

    • RevTimmyAwestruckian

      Still cannot bear to see or spell that RR name correctly.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Okay, she’s apologized. My friends are still dead.

    WTF, Hillary!?!!

  • This tweet says it all to me (@juliacarriew): “I don’t really think it counts as misspeaking when you reveal an utterly unsupportable recollection of historical events”

  • JoeMyGod

    THE BRIGHT SIDE: On the day of Nancy Reagan’s funeral millions of Americans may have learned the TRUE legacy of her husband’s administration.

    All thanks to a “misspoke” statement by Hillary Clinton.

    • Treant

      Or, why I’m starting to wonder whether it was a “misspoke” or an Obama-class trolling of the Republicans on health care, human rights, and gay rights.

      • wc1e

        I’d be more upset if she said it deliberately to “troll”.

        Apology not accepted btw.

        • Jeffrey

          Then you’re probably not a fan of hers anyway, so an apology to you would be pointless. Go be bitter somewhere else.

          • wc1e

            After her hurtful words I spent the morning going through photo albums looking at pictures of my friends who died during this time, so ya maybe I am a little bitter, but I have a lot to be bitter about.

          • Jeffrey

            Then be bitter about the people who actually did nothing to help. Not about Hillary Clinton.

          • zackben

            Sorry, but HC is the one who was PRAISING the people who did nothing to help. If anyone else praised the Reagans for how awesome they were about AIDS, I’m pretty sure these HC supporters would be just as upset.

            (I don’t live in the US anymore, so I don’t really have an opinion about her – but I do have an opinion about gay history.)

    • Jamie Brewer

      Just saw this. I’m thinking this “misspoke” was planned as put forth by Treant. https://twitter.com/BettyBowers/status/708397345457770498

      • Jeffrey

        That truly was a brilliant move. Well done, Hillary.

      • wc1e

        OMFG are you really suggesting she did it on purpose? And they say Bernie supporters are delusion.

    • Lazycrockett

      that is a subtle troll my friend. excellent.

      • Robincho

        Subtle as the “b” in “subtle” — like the “leaking” of certain possible SCOTUS nominees…

    • Jeffrey

      On the bright side, Antonin Scalia is still dead.

      • Owen

        I was sure that he was going to be one of those weird cases of someone coming back to life right before their funeral. He’s really gone!

      • hiker_sf

        Without a stake driven into his heart, we really can’t be sure.

  • JT
    • Treant

      Do they have hairier older brothers or fathers?

  • J S

    I was a young man in San Francisco at the time AIDS started and lived it from the beginning. The Reagans went years without ever saying the word AIDS. People were dying, and begging for help. And reporters would ask Reagan’s press secretary about the new gay disease and whether the President would say anything, and he would joke about it in front of the press corps. Those of us still alive now remember an out of touch Nancy Reagan who felt gay subjects were best left unspoken about. Her coldness was shocking. I hate them both for letting people die without even pretending to care or support the search for cures.

    • David Milley

      There are many of us who went through that together and feel the same. This has been a rough afternoon. Hugs.

    • Jamie Brewer

      I lost any respect for the Reagan’s when they laughed with glee at the 100th anniversary of the Stature of Liberty to that vile joke of Bob Hope’s… “The Statue of Liberty has come down with AIDS. They don’t know if it came from the mouth of the Hudson, or the Staten Island Ferry.” Bob Hope has no respect from me either. Other world leaders at the time looked on with horror. Never forget. This afternoon has opened a lot of old wounds..

    • 2karmanot

      Same here

  • tomfromthenews

    Odd how she could speak kindly about the Reagans and this particular issue where clearly they were on the WRONG side of…everything.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • danolgb

      More specifically.. I read a touching story from someone who was there that day. If I can find it, I’ll post it.

      • Drew2u

        But she still said the Reagans were great for the AIDS cause, 20 years later. To me, that isn’t a misunderstanding or just being incorrect, that’s revisionist.

      • Jafafa Hots

        All this does it make it more clear just how much of an egregious, deliberate lie she told yesterday.

    • ErikDC

      As a young teenager, my parents (mostly my mom’s idea) took me to see the AIDS quilt on the National Mall. They didn’t know I was gay, so it’s kind of amazing that they did.

      • David Milley

        Good on your parents — empathy like that was rare in those days.

      • Pollos Hermanos

        I hate you for being a teenager in 1993.

        • Makes two of us… I was 31, and my daughters were teenagers!!
          Please ignore the squeeking you hear… my walker needs lubricating.

          • JCF

            I was 31 too!

          • m_lp_ql_m

            You kids get offa my lawn!! [shakes fist] In my day, we hated ourselves and we LIKED it!!!

          • Dean

            I was there that day, too. I was 42 then. I’ll oil your walker iof you will put new batteries in my hearing aid.

        • ErikDC

          Was that the year the AIDS quilt was displayed on the Mall? I thought it was a little later. I might have not been a teenager then. Regardless, when I went to see it, it was the last time it could be displayed all in one piece. That was why my mom wanted us to go.

          • Pollos Hermanos

            Either way, I adore you for being engaged and I loathe you for still being young and hot 🙂 It’s all good.

          • ErikDC

            Sadly, though I remain young in your eyes, that hasn’t precluded me from acquiring serious, life altering health problems. 🙁

  • Nausea

    Made a completely clueless statement while trying to say something nice about the dead lady. I’m not going to hang her for this big gaffe, only since she said she was wrong.

    I do remember, that pretty much no one wanted to do much at that time, except incredible people like ACT UP members. I’m hoping what will ultimately come out of this is that it will stir up all sorts of stories about what bastards the Reagans really were on the issue.

    • i will not be voting for her. i will not forget this. i do not excuse her. this isn’t “presidential.”

      all that said, the campaign trail is tiring like most people cannot imagine. it’s easy to be so tired, so not even really there there while giving a speech, to say “HIV” instead of “MS” or otherwise think one thing and say another. i’ve been that tired. i hope she’s not that tired, and if she is i hope she gets a nap soon.

      there are so many other things that are very much more important. No Way i’m not going to let the Old Red Hag (i’ll call her that if i want to, i was there) score posthumous points off HRC. no, let’s talk about her fucking shitstain of a husband and their very good friends, the fascists and murderers. really, i think HRC has major issues, but compared to Nancy? oh, don’t make me write a thesis.

  • sherman

    And ironically, by being nice at a funeral, the subsequent conversation has led to a greater awareness of the Reagan neglect.

    • Treant

      Are we sure that was ironic and not completely intentional?

      • RainbowPhoenix

        I suspect it was as intentional as the New Coke fiasco.

        • Treant

          I’m not so sure. Clinton simply isn’t as emotive as President Obama, but the rhetoric in the original statement–with the verbal stumble–indicates that she knows exactly what she’s saying.

          One thing Clinton isn’t? Stupid. Or lacking in empathy, I might add.

  • oikos

    OT: I haven’t seen LonelyLiberal post in a long time. Anyone noticed him posting?

    • Treant

      Present and accounted for! I changed my name to Treant quite some time ago as it reflects who I am better at this point. 🙂

      • oikos

        I didn’t realize. Glad you’re ok.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Can I talk to you about ‘Caitlyn’?

      • Sam_Handwich

        YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • pickypecker
      • DaddyRay

        Isn’t it nice to be missed even when you aren’t gone 🙂

        • Treant

          Yep. I did announce the change a couple of times, but given the sheer volume of comments, I’m not at all surprised that it got missed.

          Plus I changed my avatar around that point, so there wasn’t any consistency there, either.

          I’ll change back to either the Lisianthus or some other floral after Hillary nails the Primaries.

          • pickypecker

            Glad you are here. Now……can you tell me who that guy was I woke up next to a few years back after the halloween party? There MUST be a name.

          • Treant

            Dude, you totally did Shoebat. Twice.

          • pickypecker

            NO! There will NOT be pics, pervert! 🙂

          • pickypecker

            Todd will be jealous. 🙂

          • coram nobis

            I can think of one name.

            Now wait a minute, things don’t look too familiar
            Who is this cowboy who’s sleepin’ beside me?
            He’s awful cute but how’d I get his shirt on?
            I had too much tequila last night

            Jose Cuervo, you are a friend of mine
            I like to drink you with a little salt and lime
            Did I kiss all the cowboys? Did I shoot out the lights?
            Did I dance on the bar? Did I start any fights?

          • David Milley

            (evil chuckle) Now I’m wondering if Nancy Reagan has really just changed her avatar to see what people say about her when she’s gone …

          • pickypecker
        • TuuxKabin

          You one of the sweetest bears we gots here.

          • DaddyRay

            I try

      • Cuberly

        OMG! I didn’t know…lol…

        • Treant

          Lordy, if it happens again, I’ll have to take out an ad!

          • Gustav2

            pics only

          • Treant

            Oh, heavens no, I’d owe people tons of money for replacement keyboards. You can’t easily get vomit out of them.

      • stuckinthewoods

        Were you not Morpheus in the earlier JSkit commenting system, lo these many years ago?

    • DaddyRay

      The LonelyLiberal, particularly Lonely, helped start “a national conversation about white shoes after labor day”
      –HRC

    • Chucktech

      I’m a little worried about Bud Clark. I know he isn’t in the best of health.

      • pickypecker

        Saw him day before yesterday in the threads.

      • oikos

        I think it’s been about a week since I’ve seen Bud post.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Heh Heh. Now that it’s all over, the world can go: “Oh yeah. The Reagans did SHIT for AIDS and only thought of themselves.” on the day they’re putting that old crone in the ground, and it’s a headline because Hillary.

    That is some sweet drink you’re serving, H. Couldn’t have gone better.

    • Treant

      I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s come to that conclusion. I can’t count the times the faux outrage regarding Obama’s actions spewed forth only to have it turn out that it was a masterful trolling.

      Clinton doesn’t have Obama’s skill at it yet–this will have some backfire–but she’s pretty good.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        I think it’s pure circumstance and bad luck, myself. Still like the outcome. Decent apology.

        Happy St. Patrick’s Day, Nancy! (Oh, that’s right, You won’t be here. Sorry Not Sorry!!)

        • pickypecker

          Nancy Reagan is dead? (sorry, just like hearing that)

          • Treant

            Nancy Reagan is dead. Ronald Reagan is dead. Repeat that into a mirror three times and…well, actually, images of puppies and kittens appear. It’s like the anti-Bloody Mary.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Who’s YOUR bartender?

          • pickypecker

            and…and……BREITBART???

          • Treant

            Dead. Dead. Dead.

          • studd55

            Yep all that’s left is to fabricate their wonderfulness.

  • FLL

    At least the public, particularly younger generations, have learned about Reagan’s criminal neglect of AIDS due to the mainstream media’s coverage of Hillary’s mistaken statement and subsequent apology.

    • Ninja0980

      It might be the first time the mainstream media has as well.

      • FLL

        Hopefully, it will get into the history books that are used in the public school systems.

        • David Milley

          Not if Texas keeps writing them …

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Will no one cry for Kimberly Bergalis? The way our lamestream media did? For weeks on end?

        • TuuxKabin

          Remembering Kimberly Bergalis brings up more grief. This seems like it’s never going to stop or end.

  • coram nobis

    This is where we came into this movie.

    HILLARY: Play it. Play it for old times’ sake.
    JOE: You know I don’t remember that one.
    HILLARY: Of course, you do. (hums) Dum, dum da-dum, dum da-dum-da-dum-da-dum, dum.
    JOE: (plays it)
    HILLARY: Sing it.
    JOE: Hail to the chief, and the leader of the minions. Hail to the chief, and the biggest one of all —
    GLENN GREENWALD: (rushing up) I thought I told you never to play – (sees Hillary) Well, of all the gin joints in the world, you walk into mine.
    HILLARY: I’m ready for my closeup.
    CAPT. RENAULT: I’m afraid Jack Warner will insist.
    HILLARY: I wasn’t sure you were the same. Let’s see, the last time we met …
    GLENN: … was the day the Americans marched into Baghdad.
    HILLARY: How nice, you remembered.
    GLENN: Not an easy day to forget. I remember every detail. The Americans wore gray, you wore a blue pantsuit. (points) And you. Stay outa the casino. Your cash is good at the bar.
    BILL CLINTON: Do you know who I am?
    GLENN: I do. You’re lucky the bar’s open to you.
    MAJ. STRASSER: We are very honored tonight, Glenn. Bill and Hillary are the reasons the U.S. enjoys the reputation it has today.
    CAPT. RENAULT: You say that as if you expect there to be any left.
    MAJ. STRASSER: (to Hillary) Welcome back to the fight. This time I know our side will win.
    BILL: What this country needs is a good 5¢ cigar.

  • pj

    it shouldnt have happened. the history of AIDS and who was responsible for the lack of response by any level of government including the reagans is very well documented. some gay should sit her down and fill her in. i suggest larry kramer.

  • Michael

    Everyone is entitled to a mistake. I can’t speak for her, but maybe Hillary was thinking of Nancy in later years after 1987 (when the damage had already been done.) In any case, Hillary did the right thing and acted quickly.

  • geoffalnutt

    “Yay!!” and “Phew”. I was beside myself with a kind of despair. I feel certain that the speech-writer was responsible. I’m very glad about this latest development. The Reagans did nothing…and a whole lot of it.

  • wc1e

    How could have this been a misspeak? Does she not have any clue what a sensitive issue this is?

    • oikos

      No. Most straight people, even allies don’t.

      • danolgb

        It’s funny how many people demand that others know our history, but don’t take the time to sit down and tell them it. Even our own youth don’t have a clear understanding of what went before them.

        • oikos

          Many straight people understand how terrible it was but are totally unaware of the magnitude of it and the connection to inaction by Reagan. We lived the horror so have a much greater awareness of it.

        • studd55

          Yes, it’s Hillary’s youth.

    • CPT_Doom

      From the apology (I haven’t listened to her comments directly) I presume she meant to praise Nancy for her advocacy for stem-cell research.

      • coram nobis

        Or at least that’s the explanation now. Still, looks like a fast save.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Fast save is a save.

          • coram nobis

            There is that.

      • wc1e

        I often confuse HIV/AIDS with stem cell research.

        • studd55

          We all do, it’s a common misspeak.

          And we all have to keep in mind that questioning Hillary is down right undemocratic.

      • Ish

        No, listen to the clip. It was no slip of the tongue.

  • Cackalaquiano

    Profoundly awkward, to say the least…

  • Ninja0980

    http://www.theledger.com/article/20160310/NEWS/160319917
    This article deals with a selfish drunk driver who killed an innocent woman and left her wife to raise their two children alone.
    If this had happened a year ago or before that, not only would the victim’s wife have to deal with losing the love of her life but she would have been shut out of the proceedings entirely due to her marriage not being acknowledged in Florida.
    That is one reason out of many why marriage equality is so important and why we can’t let Republicans turn back the clock, which is something they all want to do.
    Just something to keep in mind while we talk about this.
    I’m voting Blue no matter what, as I’m not willing to see the clock turned back on our gains, something we need to keep in mind.

  • Steve Morrison

    Apology NOT ACCEPTED…. How about following up her ridiculous statement with some facts about the deaths of thousands that was laughed at by those in the Reagan administration… VOTE BERNIE!!!!!

    • OZ_in_TX

      And if it had been anyone else BUT Hillary Clinton who had committed this colossal disservice to the suffering of LGBT people during the AIDS crisis and then issued a non-apology ‘I misspoke’ apology, would we see this kind of ridiculous ‘well that’s okay, let’s just move on’ response?

      Of course we wouldn’t. It’s apparent to me now that Hillary can actually say *anything* and her followers will fawn all over a nonsense ‘apology’ that would have sent them into furious outrage if it had been anyone else. Hell, she didn’t even need to apologize – all her followers would have done it for her.

      I can’t even imagine how many Gay men are rolling in their graves seeing this pathetic response.

      • Steven Leahy

        Can you imagine the response here on JMG if Bernie had done the same thing?

    • studd55

      I hope she gets some questions about her recollection of the AIDS Epidemic during the upcoming debates.

      So her supporters can applaud the further misinformation she provides.

  • Steve

    Have we homos become so complacent that we’re willing to accept a completely half-assed apology like this? This basically reads as “Wow, whoops, I guess this could affect my poll numbers. For that, I’m sorry.”.

    Where has all of the anger for our fallen brothers gone?

    • Steve Morrison

      RIGHT ON!

    • David Milley

      Acceptance of the apology is contingent on proof of goodwill going forward. But it’s wiser not to turn on someone trying to be our ally without extending a grace period to allow them to prove it.

      Believe me, I will curse the Reagans until my dying day …

    • sherman

      Maybe directed at people who are trying to pass RFRA’s, block a federal ENDA, and want a Supreme Court that will overturn marriage equality and would love to kick us out of the military.

      • Ninja0980

        That and the people who say they will vote Republican, third party or sit out if their guy/gal doesn’t win.

    • OZ_in_TX

      It’s tragic to see that the fury is completely missing from Clinton supporters desperately backflipping and saying – for the first time – that a ‘I misspoke’ non-apology apology concerning one of the darkest chapters in our history is actually quite all right, thank you very much.

      At this point Clinton didn’t need to actually make an apology at all – all her followers would have done it for her.

      • Todd20036

        If you don’t want to bother reading don’t bother with us

        FOR THAT I AM SORRY

        it’s in the damned tweet right in this thread

      • flawdakracka727

        Maybe Bernie should apologize for his rape fantasies. And ms sanders fraud.

      • studd55

        And this is still only the primary. Wait for the whoppers Hillary will fabricate in the General along with Republican talking points and the deafening applause from those who “will hold her accountable for Supreme Court appointments”.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Yeah, the Bastille is over —————-> there.

  • i’m looking forward to reading this thread. i’m sure i’m going to find some very creative things here.

    • David Milley

      Aye, Cap’n, ye will …

  • TampaZeke

    She did the right thing.

  • bryan

    If we turned our backs on every ally that made a mistake we would have very few allies. She has made an apology. This has also opened a dialogue for others to find out about how badly the Thatcher / Reagan years were for our community. Let’s use it for good.

  • Clungeflaps

    Can’t wait to see all the apologetics and backpedalling from the Hillary gays on here.

    • Friday

      It’s not ‘apologetics,’ to say she misspoke and said one disease rather than another and *apologize* for that.

      • studd55

        If you’re claiming Hillary misspoke one disease rather than another, you obviously didn’t listen to her on MSNBC and compare that rationalization to what she actually said. If you did you would realize it makes no sense and the apology doesn’t even match her original statements if as you claim she simply misspoke another disease.

        • Friday

          I don’t see the ‘makes no sense’ there, actually, people didn’t want to talk about Alzheimer’s either, after all: obviously in the case of AIDS the only ‘dialogue’ the Reagans started was necessitating tons of protest and activism even to get things mentioned, as far as the public was concerned, anyway. It’s hardly unbelievable, rationalization, or ‘apologetics’ to figure she mixed up who did what when about one 80’s cause for another, when she apologized for doing just that.

    • studd55

      There will be no backpedaling, just kudos. I fully expect cheering as Hillary starts repeating Republican Talking Points in the General. What we see here on Hillary’s “misspoken” situation is just the beginning.

    • BillTheCat45

      Sorry to disappoint you, slick.

  • PJ

    Glad there are so many Clinton apologists in the comments.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Thangyew. We’ll be here all year. Try the veal.

      • Treant

        Try the Trump Steaks.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          You won’t FIND better horsemeat.

          • pickypecker

            Waiter…take this back. I specifically ordered the canine cut.

          • studd55

            Why bring up Clinton’s cankles? They serve no one.

  • Chitown Kev

    This should be interesting to read…now for the comments

  • OZ_in_TX

    “Kudos to the Clinton camp for acting so quickly.” Yeah because a single TWEET with the standard boilerplate ‘I misspoke’ which would send LGBT folks into a furious rage if it was anyone else BUT Clinton makes it all better, amiright?

    • Lumpy Gaga

      I also give passes to old male Dems who wear glasses.

      • OZ_in_TX

        Then I eagerly await your backflip apologetics when it’s anyone else *other* than Clinton praises Reagan’s actions during the AIDS pandemic. I mean, how many times have we seen Republicans say something horrible about the AIDS crisis, backpedal with ‘I misspoke’, and get a warm ‘well that’s all right’ reception?

        • Ninja0980

          People have no problem with Bernie flat out lying about when he supported marriage equality, they should be okay with this.

          • OZ_in_TX

            And since we are talking about *Clinton* and her response, we’ll just focus on that, shall we? And it’s obvious that Hillary Clinton can actually say *anything* she wants to – she can completely misrepresent the Reagan Administration’s damnable response to the AIDS crisis, and her followers will *eagerly* say ‘well that’s all right’ when she posts a half-ass TWEET.

            Hillary didn’t even need to apologize – all her followers would have done it for her. I can’t even imagine the number of Gay men who are rolling in their graves right now at this ridiculous, pitiful response.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Are you really from Texas? And shouting “J’accuse!”?

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Do I actually have to spell out B-E-R-N-I-E S-A-N-D-E-R-S for you?

  • KnownDonorDad

    That’s it, I’m voting for Trump! /s

    • Gustav2

      OH! We found a swing voter! They are more scarce than unicorns!

      • KnownDonorDad

        How can swing voters be scarce, when both parties are the same? (sorry, can’t keep a straight face)

        • pickypecker

          Hush, you’ll summon He Who Shall Not Be Named!

          • RainbowPhoenix

            Anyone else notice his absence in the story that categorically showed the two parties acting very differently?

          • studd55

            But think of the excitement of bullying him!

    • RainbowPhoenix

      That’s the crux of the issue, really. No matter how pissed off we get with her, the alternative will either be a narcissist who will probably get someone to declare war on America because he shot his mouth off, or a theocrat actively seeking support from people who want to commit genocide against us.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        I don’t think that line of thinking has plausibility anymore. Bernie has been outperforming Hillary on polls versus Trump and Cruz for many, many, many months now. The first few could have been flukes, or chalked up to Bernie’s novelty when nobody knew anything about him, but are all one hundred or however-many-there-are of those polls flukes? The latest one, the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll that came out on Wednesday, shows Sanders doing 5 points better than Clinton vis-à-vis Trump.

        But, yes, if Clinton ends up being the nominee, I will vote for her in November. Much more regretfully today than I would have yesterday, but the alternatives are cataclysmic.

        • RainbowPhoenix

          I was referring to the general when I was talking about the alternative. I’m a Sanders supporter myself.

  • Lazycrockett

    Well now I’m bored.

    • Treant

      I know, right?

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Well, blood was drawn outside the Rump rally (I’m leaving it), so….

        it’s all good?

        • Treant

          I’m torn. Should I call him tRump or Drumpf? I really like both–but dRumpf just doesn’t have the same impact.

          • Lazycrockett

            I think someone like Trump would really feel a slow burn bout Drumpf

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Yay! Let’s turn that orange state red!! Drumpf it is!

          • Treant

            That works for me. I’m wondering, at this point, if he can carry Indiana. I’m pretty sure he’ll get Alabama and Mississippi, of course. Texas…I’m not 100% sure if Castro is on the ticket with Clinton, against Trump it might just go slightly competitive.

      • Lazycrockett

        and I don’t think a Kasich town hall is gonna be the cure. Guess I’ll have to wait till Real Time.

  • Steven Leahy

    Oopsies! Sorry fellers ! Well, best we’ll likely get, better than nothing I guess

  • Mark

    OK. That took some balls. She secured my vote.

  • Gustav2

    The mailperson just dropped off my Ohio primary absentee ballot. What to do, what to do.

    • danolgb

      Yay for mail people!

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Fucking GOP house just REDUCED the price of mailing a letter.

        The USPS is in Grover Norquist’s bathtub, and the teabaggers have one hand around its throat….

        • Henri205

          They’re trying to kill the USPS with that pension requirement. My recollection is foggy but because USPS is required to fully fund pensions rather than fund them according to general accounting practice (per Congressional rules) their costs skyrocket. All part of the plan. And meanwhile the idea to allow post offices to be, essentially, banks is gaining traction which of course the Republicans oppose because poor people are not worthy. In the UK post offices function as banks if I remember correctly and people can pay bills there through BACS. Someone in the UK can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think when I lived there that’s how it worked.

          I’m rambling but am so FUCKING sick of their maneuvering.

      • Gustav2

        No, just a bunch of primary races, a lot with only one candidate. And some Rocky guy on the Democratic presidential primary.

        • Ninja0980

          Bernie eh?

          • Gustav2

            I’m leaning toward Rocky!

  • Ninja0980
    • studd55

      There seems to be plenty here.

      • Ninja0980

        Talking about yourself?

  • Kevin Perez

    Apologizing on Twitter is one thing. Let’s see her go on Rachel Maddow’s show and apologize to all of her viewers.

  • Bill T.

    Hillary went to the Rock Hudson School of Apologies.

  • Kelly Lape

    Dismissing the good in pursuit of the perfect serves no one.

    • studd55

      Fabricating history serves no one.

      • Kelly Lape

        Non sequiturs are posted by fools.

  • zackben

    This is not a real apology, people! She totally buried the lead…acting like their support for Alzheimer’s research makes up for their criminal disdain for gay men dying for an entire decade…

    “While the Reagans were so great and noble in their fearless advocacy for a cure to a disease that actually affected themselves….I misspoke about the fact that they completely ignored tens of thousands of gay men dying.”

    This is not a “I misspoke” moment — this is “I have absolutely no idea about the history of gay people, but please vote for me because I’m not as bad as Trump.”

    • Jeffrey

      And you think that this would be a good time to attack a woman on the day of her funeral? Is that what you think Hillary should have done? I think the apology was sufficient. I don’t think a full knowledge of gay history is imperative to the presidency, and neither does the majority of the population.

      • zackben

        She should not have lied about her advocacy for AIDS or gay people. She didn’t have to bring it up. And the fact that she got this so wrong tells me that she knows very little about our experience as LGBTQ

        • Jeffrey

          She didn’t lie, she didn’t know. She apologized immediately. Feel free to google all the republicans who are apologizing for AIDS.

          • studd55

            She didn’t know?

            How does that square with Hillary claiming now she was on the frontlines in the LGBT Communities fight for equality?

          • Jeffrey

            You think it is a presidential candidate’s job to learn the entirety of all gay and lesbian arcana? Would you now like to hear Donald Trump talk about his view of Nancy Reagan’s stance on AIDS 30 years ago? Grow the fuck up, you whiney little child. Don’t even come at me with your nonsense. Go find the nearest republican and see how their knowledge of LGBT issues stacks up to Hillary’s. But don’t bother commenting back to me about it, because I don’t care what you think.

      • studd55

        I think Hillary shouldn’t have fabricated such a tall tale about Nancy Reagan and the AIDS Epidemic.

        • Jeffrey

          You’re a complete moron.

    • studd55

      Her apology and trying to divert our attention to “stem cells” was a ploy to try to cover from her elaborate fabrication of Nancy Reagan and the AIDS Epidemic. Her misspoke excuse makes no sense when applied to her original fabrication.

  • nojam75

    The explanation doesn’t make much sense. Why describe Mrs. Reagan’s record on Alzheimer’s as “low-key advocacy”?

    • Bruno

      That kind of leads me to believe she was just ignorant of the fact that the Reagans were shit on HIV/AIDS. Perhaps she was going by some smaller things that they may have done towards the end of his presidency and blown that out of proportion in her mind.

      • danolgb

        That’s always a possibility. Elizabeth Taylor did push the Reagans to do more and probably had a better line to Nancy then Ronald. It was admittedly late, but there are reports that Nancy did push him to do more, tho very very late. We don’t always remember things with clarity as much as we think we do.

        • Bruno

          Undoubtedly all true. But it also brings to light that the Clintons themselves who were in office in Arkansas in the 1980’s probably didn’t say or act much on the issue either? That’d be my guess, if she truly was ignorant of the Reagans’ failures, because otherwise she’d have been keenly aware.

          • danolgb

            It’s true that really the whole nation wasn’t talking about it. There were reports, obviously, but for them, it was happening to other people, so other people didn’t really pay attention unless they were in gay metros.

          • Ninja0980

            It was only gays and drug addicts getting HIV/AIDS so no one cared at the time until “good” people like Ryan White got it.

          • danolgb

            Pretty much. We need to be honest about that. That’s generally human nature. It’s sad, but true. Even with all the suffering in other places, when you’re insulated from it, it’s not a priority.

          • Bruno

            At least things changed by the early 90’s enough that the Clintons became important to the cause and our community.

          • studd55

            Thank god Nancy Reagan got the conversation started to get people to care as Hillary points out.

          • Ninja0980

            Bernie’s nice write up on Nancy wasn’t much better, not that you care.

          • Bruno

            What I’d like to hear from Hillary is an acknowledgement that the national ignorance of HIV/AIDS and LGBT people in general was due to political pragmatism. Let’s face it, Reagan probably didn’t hate gays. He was against the Briggs Initiative in the late 1970s. But it would’ve been in his and his shitty party’s assessment that doing ANYTHING to help gay people would be construed as some sort of endorsement of homosexuality. Which was diametrically opposed to the systematic pandering he did to “values voters” in the 1980s. I can only assume it was the same with the Clintons, who governed a state that to this day is one of the most inimical to our community in the country.

          • danolgb

            True. It’s entirely due to the Republicans getting in bed with the religious people to fight things like ERA.

  • pickypecker
  • I will give her credit for correcting so quickly. We live in a political system where corrections are uncommon and usually there are weird rationalizations for mistakes or personal attacks of critics. So I’m glad to see such a quick response to a huge error.

  • Chitown Kev

    This is one helluva “misspeak” by Hillary Clinton
    I get that you want to be gracious to Nancy Reagan at her funeral but this statement was obscene.

    • Htowndude

      Those who worship at the alter of Clinton forgive and forget fast.
      Remember?

      • studd55

        And demand everyone do the same.

        • Max_1

          Followed by Loyalty Oaths, or the Republicans win…

  • ok, i’m not going to spend too much time on this and i don’t think you guys should either. people really do make mistakes. i think she fakes a lot of her “love” for us, but i’m also a dyslexic. like, it’s really bad sometimes. i don’t read every comment to every comment i make, but i’d bet if i went back and looked at everything i’ve ever put on discuss, there would be some *very* embarrassing moments. due to me being drunk, tired, or disabled, possibly all at the same time.

    what i’ve been doing lately, all the time, is starting to type words while thinking of the next word in the sentence before i’ve completed the first one. i’ve been on the campaign trail. you fucking get tired. i can’t believe, frankly, that either she or Bernie, my guy, can keep it up. it’s fucking unbelievable. let’s talk about the issues, not the tweets. i can and will believe she is less sensitive to our community than many claim. but prove that to me with a record and policy, not these stupid gotcha games about twitterverse. jeebus i hate that’s even a thing, in politics.

    • Shit… they don’t have a “I love your comment, you are a Goddess!” button.

      • David Milley

        Here, use mine!

    • danolgb

      Thanks for that. I know sometimes we go head to head and I know I get pretty dismissive. I’m sorry for that. But yes, you’re right. These two are on a maddening schedule. She just flew across the country for a funeral. I’m sure we don’t understand the bond First Ladies have (There’s only a handful of them, after all.) Certainly, they’re probably like Scalia and Ginsberg: Opposite ends of the spectrum, but see each other’s humanity.

    • Ish

      I do recommend you listen to the actual clip of Hillary being interviewed. It’s much much worse than a single tweet sentence.

    • studd55

      This was not a tweet. It was a full fledged interview of Hillary on MSNBC.

      I can’t imagine that Hillary’s Campaign sent her on that show without a predefined response to a former first lady’s death.

      If it was indeed an “off the cuff” response from Hillary and she “misspoke” I hope they don’t send her into the general election unprepared.

      • danolgb

        She was stopped after after the funeral for comment. This wasn’t a “show” or a scheduled interview. Try to actually learn about things before you talk.

        • studd55

          You believe that?

    • Silver_Witch

      You Chicago Dyke – I doubt that…why who would say something crazy in the heat of frustration or anger…why all of us of course!

    • Max_1

      chicago,
      It’s a roller coaster of a ride and I’ve barfed a few times already…

  • bambinoitaliano

    This is the political establishment side of her many voters are weary of. In an attempt to appear statesman like that inadvertently marginalized a support base she took for granted. She is working on the soft Republican voters. She should not count her chickens yet.

    • Ninja0980

      I don’t think it was that, I think it was trying to be speak nice of the recently deceased and stepping in it.

      • bambinoitaliano

        For an old pro like her, she is trying to reach out the established Republican voters. The Democrat votes are certainly not enough to help her win the presidential race for the reason that Democrats do not always show up. There are still some Reagan Republicans that would like to have the option other than the three stooges they have.

        • danolgb

          I’m sure there’s a huge amount of them.

      • coram nobis

        It helps if it’s bland and one-size-fits-all.

        “Dearly beloved, we are gathered to honor [fill in name and don’t forget to pronounce it right], whose contributions to humanitarian causes are many. S/he was prized for his/her good works and charities and we shall miss him/her. [Name]’s well-beloved philanthropy and kindness shall be ever remembered. Even now his/her works live in the mists of time. Thank you and God bless America.”

  • coram nobis

    Probably a better form of damage control is to make the excuse in advance of the incident, and make it stick.

    http://crooksandliars.com/2016/03/cnns-jeffrey-lord-blames-liberals

    So, that way, says the Trump campaign, if someone gets seriously injured or killed, it’s their own fault. Something for Hillary’s campaign to take note of.

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    All that Hillary should’ve said in the first place was Nancy Reagan was a devoted spouse to a husband who was a devoted adulterer.

    • Fancy-Nancy had no room to talk, seeing as she spent her entire off-screen Hollywood career on her knees… Ahem!

      • Johnny Wyeknot

        See my edit and thanks for helping me focus.

  • pickypecker

    My thoughts, such as they are:
    I will not be angry with Hillary for making this statement; apologizing for such nor running and admirable campaign for the WhiteHouse.
    I will not be angry about this blunder as it will NOT bring my dead friends back to life.
    I will not be angry beacause some of you in our community think I should be. I know that my friends, after all my years of carrying anger, would not want this for me under any circumstanes.
    I have not made my decision between the two (D) candidates, but I CAN tell you that I will not participate in the trench-warfare in the threads between the two factions involved. I will NOT be angry any more; for you or anyone.

    • Jeffrey

      Extremely well put.

    • Todd20036

      When your vote truly counts, there really will be only one candidate left to vote for. And that candidate will be a democrat

  • Michael Rush
    • Lumpy Gaga

      It was a gracious, low-key hate.

      • pj

        it was a political expedient choice. the people who elected him hated us. still do. shameful selfish people

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Our long national nightmare is finally over. Also, too.

  • pj

    if hillary becomes president mabey she can get serious about a cure. it could be a way to make up for her cluelessness.

    • Reality.Bites

      And maybe she could fund an educational program that teaches you how to spell maybe.

      • pj

        nice

    • studd55

      Instead of praising those who weren’t serious about a cure.

  • bob

    She was so caught up with trying to kiss up to the reaganites, she stuck her foot in her mouth. Good that she apologized , but bad that she said it in the first place.

    • Silver_Witch

      Because she is a Reagan republican – that is why she is kissing up to them.

  • i apologize, Joe. i used a word that i shouldn’t have, right now. i realize why right now that one gets you flagged. my bad.

  • JCF

    An unforced error to be sure. Perhaps she was doing some wishful thinking, based upon her own experience, on how a FLOTUS *should* be a force for good?

    Hillary, I sentence you to watch this: “When AIDS was Funny”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAzDn7tE1lU

  • studd55

    Dan Savage told us to shut up about Hillary’s past and ignore her lies.

    Suddenly Dan is not ignoring her lies. When it affects him.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/dan-savage-clinton-crediting-nancy-reagan-for-helping-aids-victims-is-a-fcking-lie/comments/#disqus

    • Ninja0980

      Why not, you do the same with Bernie when it comes to marriage equality.
      The fact remains when people in Vermont needed someone like Bernie the most, he told them to settle for civil unions.
      He didn’t come out for marriage equality until 2009 when he thought it was politically safe to do so.
      And yet he gets a pass for that.

      • Clungeflaps

        Hillary was only for marriage equality for the past 3 years.

        • Ninja0980

          Bernie, Obama and Biden weren’t for it either until they had to be for political purposes.

          • studd55

            By all measures, Sanders was ahead of his time in supporting gay rights. In 1983, as mayor of Burlington, he signed a Gay Pride Day proclamation calling it a civil rights issue. He was one of just 67 members in the House of Representatives to vote against the Defense of Marriage Act, a politically tough decision he prides himself on and points to as a key progressive bona fide. Sanders opposed Don’t Ask Don’t Tell in 1993, another President Bill Clinton-era policy, and supported civil unions in Vermont in 2000.

            “I’m not evolving when it comes to gay rights. I was there,” Sanders told the New York Times earlier this year.

            http://time.com/4089946/bernie-sanders-gay-marriage/

          • sherman

            Promised open gays in military; but compromised with DADT
            The previous policy was that gays were not permitted to serve. DADTDP was at least a step up from that.

            “During the campaign, Clinton had endorsed permitting gays to serve openly in the military. The president-elect indicated that he intended to issue this executive order as one of his 1st acts in the White House.

            The incoming administration found itself under withering attack from the active-duty military, led by its highest-ranking officer, General Colin Powell, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and (according to polls) the nation’s most admired African American.

            It quickly became evident that if Clinton went through with the executive order, he would be choosing to begin his new administration with a high-profile battle against a Democratic-controlled Congress, and he would be standing with a distinct minority of the electorate. Much to the chagrin of his numerous backers in the gay-rights movement, he compromised by accepting a congressional policy of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” regarding current members of the armed forces.”

            http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Bill_Clinton_Civil_Rights.htm

          • danolgb

            The kids don’t know their own history and then expect other to know it. Irony.

          • Bill_Perdue

            DADT was the codification of military bigotry, not an improvement.

            By codifying military bigotry Bill Clinton was directly responsible for the violence and discrimination that followed.

            Barry Winchell (August 31, 1977 – July 6, 1999) was an infantry soldier in the United States Army, whose murder by a fellow soldier, Calvin Glover, became a point of reference in the ongoing debate about the policy known as “Don’t ask, don’t tell”, which did not allow U.S. military gays, bisexuals, and lesbians to be open about their sexual orientation. (Winchell was dating a transgender woman). Wiki

            over 14,000 were discharged because of the bigot Democrat Bill Clintons signature on DADT.

          • Ninja0980

            Civil unions were separate and unequal, which is why people in Vermont were fighting for marriage.
            And when they needed Bernie’s help, he said NO and only said yes when he felt it was politically safe for him to do so.
            That is NOT bashing him, it’s being honest.
            Yes he was far ahead of everyone else when it came to our rights in other areas but for marriage equality, he wasn’t and that won’t change no matter how much you want it to.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Exactly, Democrats are the same as Republicans.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K9dS9wl7U

          • Octavio

            Drink!!

          • Silver_Witch

            Or when they realized it would no longer hurt their political careers.

      • Max_1

        Ninja,
        You lie.

        When did Hillary support the LGBT?
        Bernie’s mayoral platform, item #3… 1980

      • Max_1

        Ninja,
        You lie.

        When did Hillary endorse her first LGBT Pride parade?
        Bernie did in 1983… As Mayor of Burlington.

      • Max_1
    • Max_1

      Dan is experiencing his first bout of #WhichHillary.

  • Hank

    Those of us who lost friends, family and loved ones due to the Reagans’ lack of caring of those with HIV and AIDS, KNOW who the CULPRITS are/were. I am not happy about HRC’s comment, but at least I am willing to accept a rapid apology. We need to hold the Rethuglicans’ feet to the fire about their treating the LGBT community like SECOND CLASS CITIZENS!!!…. THEN and NOW!!!!

  • sherman

    “No matter your party or political ideology, this is a sad day for America. Nancy Reagan was an exemplary first lady. A devoted partner, she was her husband’s most trusted advisor and, as such, served our country well. Even after her time in the White House, she was an outspoken advocate for stem-cell research to find a cure for Alzheimer’s. Nancy Reagan had a good heart, and she will be dearly missed.”

    https://berniesanders.com/press-release/statement-on-nancy-reagan/

    • Ninja0980

      Gee, no comments from some on this one..I wonder why?

    • RainbowPhoenix

      As I said regarding Clinton, the president has to be diplomatic even with people who don’t deserve it.

      • sherman

        Yep. Civility.

    • bob

      They want those votes ! Let’s kiss up to the reagan democrats ! So sad that these two are the better choice from the republicans.

    • studd55

      Hillary misspoke? No one misspeaks and goes on and on on an issue in such elaborate detail.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd_pcYyCejk

      • sherman

        Yes, totally ignore Bernie’s praise of Nancy Reagan.

        Both of them were saying something nice at the time of the death of a former First Lady, as civil people do. Get some Preparation H and move on to something that actually matters.

        • Max_1

          Bernie’s nice was genuine…
          Hillary’s nice was colored with ‘misspeak’.

          What do you need Bernie to say about a former First Lady?

          • sherman

            I think what Bernie said was fine, but if Hillary had said the same thing you would be outraged.

      • Silver_Witch

        Nancy penetrated someone – ohhh I doubt that – I imagine she was quite the sex trollop – but I don’t believe she ever strapped one on.

  • DaddyRay

    OT: Oh Onion – you are so wrong 🙂

    Hillary Clinton Appears Before Rally Completely Nude In Bid For Authenticity
    http://www.theonion.com/article/hillary-clinton-appears-rally-completely-nude-bid–52516

    • Nychta

      The Onion has some great writing. And for some reason I found this piece oddly touching: “I have known love and loss, joy and anguish; in the lines and creases of my body, you can read a simple, straightforward story of hard-earned experience….”

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    Well, I had been planning on voting for her this time, in spite of her Iraq and Patriot Act votes, which still stick in my craw and were the reason I didn’t vote for her in ’08, in spite of her support for the coups in Honduras and Haiti, in spite of her Wall Street ties, etc., etc. In spite of all her glaring un-democratic-ness, I’ve been defending her pretty staunchly up until now. I’m not sure I can explain why, but this is the straw the broke the camel’s back for me. I’m going to vote for Bernie.

    Bernie claims he’s staying in it for all 50 states. He can count on me when it gets to California.

    • RainbowPhoenix

      And should Clinton win the primary, will you allow your anger here to put Trump or Cruz in the Oval Office? No matter how angry you are, would that be worth it?

      • studd55

        In other words will we like Hillary’s Republican talking points better than Trump’s or Cruz’s?

        • Ninja0980

          I’ll like the judges she’ll put on the bench better then Trump or Cruz’s.

          • studd55

            It will be important that the Hillary supporters hold her accountable to appoint Democratic leaning candidates for the bench.

          • Ninja0980

            Ginsburg, Breyer, Ann Williams on the 7th Circuit, Roger Gregory etc. are some of the most liberal members of the bench and they were put on by Bill Clinton.
            I seriously don’t think Hillary is going to be putting far right Federalist Society members on the bench.

          • studd55

            She fabricated an elaborate story about how Nancy Reagan’s advocacy penetrated the public’s conversation about the AIDS Epidemic.

            So who knows what Hillary will do concerning the Supreme Court.

          • Ninja0980

            We know what the Republicans will do so I’ll take my chances.

        • RainbowPhoenix

          Well, Clinton doesn’t leave me worried that she’ll mouth off to foreign leaders and cause someone to declare war on America, and she’s not cavorting with people actively advocating for our genocide. So I’m going to hazard that the answer is yes.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        No. Hillary is just a fake and a disappointment. But Trump is a fascist racist horror show and Cruz is an evangelical dominionist horror show. If Hillary’s the nominee in November, I will hold my nose and vote for her.

    • flawdakracka727

      Stop lying, You were never gonna vote for her last time or this time.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        I voted for Obama in ’08. I really was going to vote for her in the primary this year up until today. You can believe whatever you want. I’ll still vote for her in November if she ends up being the nominee, because Trump or Cruz are unthinkable. But Bernie now has my primary vote.

    • JCF

      Ah, you’re the same genius who prefers the Pope to Clinton.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Yes, I am. I have voted Democrat every election of my life (I’m 55). And what can I tell you? The current pope seems more genuinely progressive to me than Hillary. I had been planning on voting for her and I have been defending her on JMG up until yesterday. Yesterday, HIllary Clinton = Nancy Reagan = Barbara Bush = Ann Romney. Here’s a clue: she sounds just like them because she IS just like them. Deep down, she is still a Goldwater Girl and she is totally part of the same establishment elites that have “given you people all you’re going to get from us.”

  • Essus

    I just love a qualified apology. I am sorry I misspoke indeed! As much as I am not a fan of Hillary Clinton in her pursuit of the Democratic nomination, there are somethings that go beyond politics. This is one of them and a waffling apology is not making me any less hurt and viperously angry. How remarkably tone deaf.

    • sherman

      Your outrage seems entirely political.

      • Bill_Perdue

        So are the comments of HRH HRC supporters, except you folks are not so much political as partisan.

        • Octavio

          Drink!

  • Ninja0980

    https://berniesanders.com/press-release/statement-on-nancy-reagan/
    As linked to by Dan Savage, there is Bernie’s statement on Nancy, which is filled with a lot of the same crap others have said about her.

    • DaddyRay

      I would have left off the “and she will be dearly missed”

      • Max_1

        Bernie has a kind heart…

    • studd55

      Except for the lies that Hillary included in hers.

      • Ninja0980

        And Bernie along with Clinton failing to mention Nancy only supported stem cell research when it affected her family?

        • studd55

          But Clinton said she misspoke and her original comment was mean’t to say “her low key advocacy” of stem cell research not the “AIDS Epidemic”. Why would Clinton say “low key” advocacy of stem cell research? Bernie said Nancy “was an outspoken advocate for stem-cell research” which is true, yet Hillary now says she mean’t “low key advocacy” about stem cell research?

          Makes no sense.

          • Octavio

            Maybe because it was low key?

          • studd55

            You can judge for yourself. But what I recall is that Nancy was very much associated with stem cell advocacy, particularly once Ronnie got Alzheimer’s . Sounds like you weren’t around back then or didn’t pay attention but you might want to look it up.

          • Octavio

            Yeah. That must be it.

          • sherman

            [insert beat dead horse gif here]

          • studd55

            [insert Hillary is wonderful here and it’s a sin to even question how wonderful]

          • sherman

            I guess someone might do that. I’ve not seen anyone take that angle.

          • studd55

            You’ve chosen to not see a lot of things.

          • sherman

            I lost my right-wing colored glasses.

          • Max_1

            It’s called straddling that SPEAKING FEES line she likes to walk…

        • Silver_Witch

          She was only for stem-cell research after her “wonderful partner” came down with Alzheimer’s. I shall write Bernie and let him know.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I just read it. While too gushy for my taste, it didn’t make the same error Hillary made.

  • Bill_Perdue

    I guess she’ll have to hire new aides to tell her what to say. Aides who have some idea about history as seen from a non-homophopbic point of view.

    • Octavio

      Drink!

  • Estrafalario

    So glad she took the time to put out a statement and a tweet.

    • studd55

      Which one?

      • Estrafalario

        Choose whichever one you like. They both show the amount of importance she places on this apology.

  • rusty57

    All right then.

  • JustSayin’

    And i see that even before the official nomination a buch of us gays are turning into whiny little bitches who are mad that HRC said something incorrectly. They are now stamping their feet and mewling that they wont vote for her to be president

    Listen up you self centered childish little punks. The next president will appoint at least two and possibly four justices for SCOTUS! Staying home is not an option unless you want four fucking Scalias on the bench, all who hate gays and civil rights more than the next one does!

    Quit acting like a bunch of snot nosed little girls mad about your friends dolly being prettier than your own. Act like adults for a god damn minute just once in your useless fucking lives!

    • Clungeflaps

      I’ll never vote for her. I’m voting straight Dem on my ballot and will do a 3rd-party for president if Hillary is nominated.

      • sherman

        The Republicons thank you.

        • Bill_Perdue

          Democrats are Republicans so who cares?

          • sherman

            Drink everyone!!

          • Bill_Perdue

            “There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.”

          • sherman

            Drink!

          • Octavio

            (hic)

          • sherman

            Pace yourself, it might be a long night.

          • Octavio

            Set up five or six shots. He’s gonna go on at least that many times. 🙂

        • Max_1

          Sherman,
          THAT Clungeflaps seeks to exercise the Constitutionally protected act of voting is no reason to rake Clungeflaps over the coals… Your type of talk makes me ask: Do you require Loyalty Oaths, too?

          Be happy Clungeflaps is gonna go vote because the Democrats already lack the ability to turn out in the first place… Try this one:
          GET SOMEONE TO VOTE WHO WON’T!

          • sherman

            Pay attention. He just said he wouldn’t vote.

      • RainbowPhoenix

        A third party vote is a vote that would otherwise have kept Trump or Cruz out of the Oval Office. If you vote third party, and either of those two win, you will be every bit as responsible as those who directly voted republican.

        • studd55

          Quit scaring me for a vote.

          • RainbowPhoenix

            Reality is scary.

        • Max_1

          Will you require a Loyalty Oath with that beratement?

          • RainbowPhoenix

            I’m not saying that you have to vote for a specific person in the primary, I’m saying that the potential cost of this “my primary candidate or bust” attitude is too much once we reach the general.

    • Tempus Fuggit

      Well! Feel better now?

    • studd55

      “Quit acting like a bunch of snot nosed little girls.”

      You might consider some self reflection.

      • Htowndude

        JMG has turned into the Mean Girls blog for Hillary.
        Regina George will show up anytime now to criticize you, and me.. Shh! She’s coming!

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      It is the nature of democracy to point out when politicians say things that make you go “What? Really?” We are not yet Egypt.

    • Silver_Witch

      My vote has to be mine and I have to vote what my heart and conscious will allow.

      Did you know that HRC only supports choice for women regarding their health and pregnancy up to 20 weeks. She said so in the Fox Townhall.

      That is today my friend ….tomorrow her Christianity may drive her to be more extreme. And her radical Christianity may drive her to pick another quasi-conservative to the bench – one that supports Corporations above people and Fear above reason.

      You know what Bernie said. No limits women’s choice is women’s choice. He also mentioned that everyone wants smaller government until it come to a woman’s vagina – then they are all hands on deck.

      So again…I must, absolutely must vote my truth.

      • RainbowPhoenix

        Vote for who you think is best in the primary, but when it comes to the general, you won’t be proving anything by handing the Oval Office to Trump or Cruz.

        • Silver_Witch

          I am proving nothing to anyone with my vote – it is my vote – pure and simple to use as I will. And your vote is yours and should be used as you would like.

          This is America still – although a very different version than I had hoped we would become and heading in a very scary direction – we are all allowed to vote and give voice to our beliefs. The anger and aggression here between people who have stood together is frightening to me. If you don’t vote the way I say you are _________________ fill in the blank with some denigrating phrase and from those who know how hurtful words can be.

          So very very sad.

          • RainbowPhoenix

            The ability to vote gives us a lot of power. As with any sort of power, it comes with responsibility, and using it irresponsibly will have consequences.

          • Silver_Witch

            Rainbow – I am over 60 and understand everything you are saying – whether you do or not. You may judge whether I am being irresponsible or not – that does not however make you right.

            As I said as an American is it my vote, my right, my struggle and my wisdom to do what I believe in my heart is right.

            You may save your further lectures about right and responsibility though – I have not seen my mother in 30 years (by choice) and in the event I should need a lecture about responsibility and evil I will let you know.

          • RainbowPhoenix

            If handing the Oval Office to a violent narcissist or a genocidal dominionist is not irresponsible, I don’t know what is.

          • Silver_Witch

            Guess you are not going to stop until you WIN me over to your side eh? This is not winning people over. Acknowledging their right to vote as they want – that would be a step.

            I am beyond tired of the endless pushing and implied threats from people like you.

            What you are doing is assuring I vote for no one you support.

          • RainbowPhoenix

            Where did I threaten anyone? The REALITY is that regardless of whether or not Clinton or Sanders wins the Primary, the alternative will either be a violent narcissist or a dominionist who is actively cavorting with people who are advocating genocide. How does pointing out reality constitute a threat of any kind?

          • Silver_Witch

            endless pushing and implied threats [of doom and disaster] “from people like you“.

            There better for you?

            The American people can pick who they choose..they have that right. Perhaps they will realize what they need is a little reality check. Maybe they don’t know how horrible it will be and perhaps the DNC will do better next time around picking a candidate that cares about the American people – who can say – I have seen the pendulum swing both ways and often it is a good learning experience for everyone.

          • RainbowPhoenix

            The 2000 election didn’t seem like a good learning experience to people like you at all. You seem quite insistent on denying reality because facing it would mean acknowledging that there are consequences for your actions.

          • Silver_Witch

            “people like me” who exactly are people like me? Woman? Bi? PTSD suffer? Survivor of abuse and rape? Working middle-class person? Liberal? Progressive? Sentient Being? Atheist?

            Which one is a “people like me“?

          • RainbowPhoenix

            People who think that they should be able to do whatever they want while being free of all consequences, even if you have to bury your head in the sand to do so.

          • Silver_Witch

            I am sorry that is not this “people”. You must have written back to the wrong person. I have not asked to be free from any consequences. I will vote as I will and take the “disaster” that arrives. Thanks though – just FYI we are quite done – because you only answer with pat answers….you did not actually respond to my post and I will not contribute to your earning from the Hillary Blog Post Brigade – have a nice life.

          • RainbowPhoenix

            Could have fooled me with your whining about how you’re being “threatened” by people pointing out the consequences of how you use your vote.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    The LAW OF INACTION can be expressed by the following fundamental equation: SILENCE = DEATH
    Some of the immediate corollaries of this law were:
    1. Ronald Reagan = DEATH
    2. Nancy Reagan = DEATH

  • studd55

    I guess if it takes rewriting the history of AIDS in the USA to get Hillary elected then that’s what it takes.

  • JVB

    A lot of straight people were dim about AIDS and support. Go right ahead and vilify Hilary Clinton. However Nancy Reagan and her dim-wit husband were much worse.

    • Silver_Witch

      And a lot us “straight people” stood in the trenches with our friends and held their hands as they died and Nancy and Ronnie stood by with no concern whatsoever.

  • rickhfx

    Good to hear you educated yourself and apologised.

  • TexasBoy

    Unfortunately, now it is going to come across as “I said something nice about Nancy Reagan…and I was wrong.” Even though it is true.

  • mark

    ..no, they were against Stem Cell Research too, at some time in Bush I reign, Nancy switched when Ronnie needed it…fact check this.

  • rickhfx

    I will always remember Nancy wiggling in her chair on stage until, she wiggled herself right over backward off the stage, landing in a sea of potted chrysanthemums, jumping up like nothing happened. Someone has the tape I am sure, let’s hope. I laughed and laughed, she was one funny broad.

    • studd55

      Those darn hemorrhoids acting up

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiT791UROTU

      • rickhfx

        Early testing of the remote controlled dildo. Ronny was such horny guy.

    • studd55

      There’s an eulogy of her I can get behind.

  • kladinvt

    So why did Hillary “misspeak”, has anyone asked her? Does she have amnesia or is it that she just “wasn’t that into us” back in the 80’s or 90’s?

    • studd55

      She was so busy being on the forefront of tirelessly helping the LGBT Community she didn’t have time to notice the AIDS Epidemic.

    • sherman

      Obviously she’s getting a big pay check from the Reagan Legacy Project.

      Or maybe Nancy Reagan’s position on every issue might not be at the top of her list of concerns.

    • Silver_Witch

      She totally wasn’t into you and your problems did not poll well. Not you cats are cool and the polls say so damn it so she is totally like into you.

  • ian

    Well, It’s impolitic to speak ill of the dead. For Hillary it’s a no win situation. Say something nice about Nancy and she’s taken to task, say something not so nice, and she’d be taken to task for that too. I do think mentioning the AID’s crisis of the 80’s and trying to put some kind of positive spin on Nancy’s “let them eat cake” attitude is a bit much though. So I’m glad Hillary corrected herself. Although in a way, yes, the Reagan’s silence, inaction and detached indifference did spark a national movement, which lead, in large part to the equality victories so recently achieved. So in a roundabout way, Nancy deserves some credit for that. Faint praise though it is. But the evil of the Reagan admin, and Nancys part in that should never be forgotten.

  • Dean

    Maybe someone on her campaign staff should start reading Joe’s blog and get some education. [for you Trumers, that’s “ej-u-ma-ka-shun”]

    • Htowndude

      Why should they? It seems many here are allow Hillary to rewrite history, unchallenged. Saved by a non-apology tweet.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    I view this as an unforced error she could have easily avoided by concentrating on Nancy’s love for Ronald which actually existed, care taking of an Alzheimer patient (actually quite hard and heart breaking) and even stem cell research even if the true motive was selfish. It still boggles my mind she mentioned anything favorable involving HIV and the Reagans.

    • Robert Conner

      Surely you don’t think Nancy changed Ronnie’s diapers!?

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        No, I’m sure she didn’t and I’m not saying this to absolve her of any and all responsibility for anything else she’s done.

        I still think Nancy Reagan is a selfish piece of poo as a human being but if Hillary HAD to humanize her that’s the route she should’ve picked because it wouldn’t have whitewashed the Reagans in terms of their history in the White House AND made Hillary sound compassionate about Alzheimer’s. It should have been a rookie move on HIllary’s part and she messed up.

  • Bryan

    Not that this excuses anything, but I almost forgot Richard Socarides was the Clinton’s bff adviser back in the day. Wheeee…

    • Htowndude

      Shhh. Facts don’t matter when dealing with the coronation of our dear Hillz!

  • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

    “Democrats, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.”

    Jesus, talk about dropping the damn ball, Hills.

    • TampaDink

      Yup. Too bad she didn’t walk that comment back & apologize.
      /sarcasm

      • Htowndude

        She didn’t apologize for re-writing history. It was a non-apology.

  • Ellipse Kirk

    What it demonstrates is that Hillary wasn’t paying attention to AIDS at the time either.

    • TampaDink

      True. And fuck her since she was in an elected position of power at that time!

      Oh….wait….she wasn’t. Never mind.

      • UrsusArctos

        Not paying attention at the time doesn’t disqualify her for office. TampaDink, as a former Mississippian you ought to recall how she and Bill were busy in Arkansas laying the foundations for the Blue Dog Empire. As Arkansas first lady, I’m sure she was hearing about AIDS. Anyone with half a brain was hearing about ACTUP
        I was struck by how tone deaf her remarks were. She was appealing to (long dead “Regan Democrats), at the cost of offending those of us who won’t have much choice but to support her. Sister Soulja anyone?

        • TampaDink

          I ought to know….but I’ve never lived in Mississippi. I think that you have confused me with TampaZeke.

          • UrsusArctos

            Yep. Sorry for the confusion. I must not have been, ah, um, had enough alcohol to comment. *grin*

          • TampaDink

            I’m often guilty of p.u.i.* myself.

            *posting under the influence

  • MBear

    fuck off, Hillz

    • TampaDink

      We must find the one true pure supporter of us, or else just just vote for Drumpf. There is no middle ground or wiggle room.

      • MBear

        [eyeroll]

  • danolgb

    If you want to let one bad statement cloud your own memory of history, here’s a brief reminder.

    “It was stone silent on the vast Washington Mall. No fanfare. No hoopla. They simply went and we had stumbled upon it.

    Silence. Stillness. They got out of their motorcade hand in hand and walked through the Quilt.

    It was THE first time it was ever acknowledged by anyone of any higher level in government. They stood. They prayed. They looked at a few other panels. They wiped tears. We were 100 feet away. As they turned to leave, the still silence was broken by a squelching sound, like an animal in deep pain. It was me screaming ‘Thank you!’ through my sobs, my voice cracking. They both turned. He put his hand up in a still wave and nodded his head -his mouth doing that mouth/chin thing he does. They turned and left.

    I was there. They were there – maybe too late for some that we lost. But they were there as soon as they could – once the country elected two people who actually cared.”

    https://johnsmithchicago.com/tag/aids-memorial-quilt/

  • Max_1

    Anyone can misremember shit… I’m living proof of that.

    That Hillary apologized IS important.
    In the same day, doubly important!

    • Htowndude

      Via Twitter.. such a non-apology.
      I was hoping for her to set the record straight. I bet my life she won’t go onto Maddow and correct her revisionist history and criticize the Reagan administration’s inaction on AIDS. Her lip service non-apology is enough for her supporters.

    • Robert Conner

      “misremember…”

      Sorry, had to laugh. While governor of California, Reagan used free speech protests at UC Berkeley as an excuse to slash state funding of the UC system. While president, Reagan willfully ignored the emergence of the most devastating new infectious disease of modern times. So when the University of California decided to name the new hospital affiliated with UCLA, naturally they named it after Ronald Reagan.

      Hillary isn’t misremembering anything. Hillary is sucking up to the legend created around the most maliciously inept, criminally incompetent American president of the 20th century. She should die of shame.

    • Silver_Witch

      I don’t think she was mis-remembering anything…I think she was trying to kiss-up to the Reagan worshippers of the Republican party. Trump is so toxic I am sure she is hoping to court those who could not stop a vote for Trump and praising Reagan and his wife is just that. It was calculated, I promise you that – she just did not realize the shit storm it would cause with the people she thinks she has already won over that would be us LGBTQ.

  • Glen

    At least she can admit a mistake.

  • Joseph Miceli

    Now that all the gays who called her on it have been vindicated, I’m sure all those who viciously attacked them for calling on her will apologize. After all, Hillary set an example they should follow.
    As for myself, I’m satisfied. She fucked up, she owned it, she apologized. Nothing more needs to be said. Let’s get back to the issues.

    • They would likely feel that she had no need to apologize and shouldn’t have done so.

      IDK how I feel on the matter. It’s good to see a politician actually be willing to apologize though. It shows maturity, which in this primary season is severely lacking.

  • FrancisMcGlitterbomb

    Hillary can’t call Nancy a homophobic sociopath at her funeral. Don’t you people know how diplomatic language works? She called Nancy’s approach to HIV/AIDS “low key advocacy.” That’s pretty damning. Using the term “low key advocacy” is about as damning a euphemistic condemnation that you’re going to get at a funeral. Also, everyone in good society knows that when someone makes a huge humanitarian gaffe like the Reagans and kills millions, that you say they “started a conversation.” I think Hillary’s a genius. I don’t think she should have apologized.

    • Robert Conner

      Hillary could have said something true and complimentary. She could have said, “Back in the day it was rumored that skinny c*nt could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch. She will be missed!”

      • FrancisMcGlitterbomb

        We have Trump to say that.

    • Silver_Witch

      Than she and Bernie both should do what my mother always told me to do at the passing of someone evil and hateful ….then say nothing. You may comfort the living in their grief by simply being their and letting them know it will be okay.

      • FrancisMcGlitterbomb

        And just how was Hillary supposed to suddenly say nothing when the awkward question came up? Just sit there? Say, “Pass” or “Next question.”? No. She’s a head of state. She’s sitting there with the family in the room. Someone asked an increibly awkward question about someone at their own funeral about their biggest failure. And what would you do? Listen to what Hillary’s words were. Exactly. Look at the transcript. She didn’t say Nancy and Ron led the charge on HIV/AIDS. But that’s what you heard. She said they “started a conversation.” Get it? They didn’t hold the conversation, they didn’t lead the charge, they didn’t make progress. The conversation started around them. Get it? Then she used the euphemism “low key advocacy”. That’s basically saying Nancy ignored it. You wanted Hillary to scream bloody murder about the Reagans AIDS legacy? At a funeral? Or just suddenly sit there mute? No, girl.

        • Silver_Witch

          No perhaps she could have said,

          Nancy Reagan was a wonderful and devoted wife. Nancy stayed by President Reagan’s side when he wwas gunned down in the street by a madman and she stood by Ronnie during his darkest days and cared for him even when he know longer knew who she was.

          There you go! No lying, no pandering and probably a hell-of-a-lot of truth.

          P.S. I take words at their value and I don’t try to wiggle them into something palatable to my belief. Bernie was wrong too…there feel better.

  • FrancisMcGlitterbomb

    Truman started a “conversation” with Hiroshima. Hitler started a “conversation” with France. And Stalin started a “conversation” with Russian anti-nationalists. So, yes, the Reagans started the “conversation” about HIV/AIDS. Couldn’t be more damning a euphemized insult on the Reagan legacy. Love Hillary.

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  • Daveed_WOW

    Very Presidential, Senator Clinton.

  • Silver Badger

    The world is a different place now. We, especially us older ones, must let go of our hate and move on. The Reagan’s are dead. We have all learned much from those horrendous years. Forgive and vow to NEVER LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN. If is live to see a next time, I want to take everyone of the haters with me.

    • Robert Conner

      Sadly, I disagree. The world is very much the same place. For starters, the US has a for-profit ‘healthcare’ system, the most costly in the world, that is structured for the benefit of corporations. Specifically hospital chains, insurance companies and Big Pharma. The same government whose negligence and corruption helped spread HIV is still failing the American public.

    • Silver_Witch

      Silver Badger I agree that we should let go of hate and try to heal – especially us older ones. We cannot forget and we can not let others whitewash what was so horrible. We can move on – we must not however stand silently and let the truth be hidden.

  • Htowndude

    ho-hum..

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Government scientist made HIV/AIDS to kill gay people because right before HIV/AIDS started the Gay Liberation Movement in America had become very powerful and that scared a lot of anti-gay Christians in and out of government. The government had little or no control over the Gay Liberation Movement back then.

    • ExGayTherapyKills

      If the government was not involved in making HIV/AIDS then why didn’t they act to stop it back when it started.

  • Robert Conner

    The very notion that the Royal Reagans started a conversation about AIDS is a disgrace. I’ve long regarded the Clintons as little more than a pair of House-of-Cards opportunists, but my cynicism has deepened to near loathing.

    I graduated from nursing school in 1980 and lived in Fort Lauderdale when the AIDS epidemic hit South Florida. In the early 90’s I worked in a 40-bed “immunosuppression unit” in Los Angeles. Very few people, either in the government or in the gay community, covered themselves in glory when the epidemic broke out, but the Reagan Administration excelled at criminal negligence and exhibited nothing short of depraved indifference to the emergence and spread of HIV. All this is common knowledge among those of us who experienced and survived that era and it is thoroughly documented in such works as Randy Shilt’s And The Band Played On. Hillary Clinton’s toadying suck-up revisionism is both a lie and a slander on caregivers and the sick who fought on in the face of the scorn of religious fundamentalists and the malicious neglect of duty on the part of government at nearly every level.

    Hillary Clinton is just another pandering, mealy-mouthed pol, a grifting, grasping, self-aggrandizing pol. It is horrifying that at this moment Hillary is the presumed front runner of the ‘liberal’ party.

  • ElJiffy

    Well, as long as she tweeted a vague apology for having “misspoken,” that’s alright then. Carry on.

  • Jafafa Hots

    “We have to credit Hitler for his soft-spoken approach to Jews in Europe. He was filled with compassion and deeply concerned about their fate, and worked hard to find a final solution to their problems.”

    Post-shitstorm:

    “I’m sorry, I misspoke.”

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