Christian Post: Donald Trump Is A Scam

For the first time in its history, today the Christian Post is taking an official position on a political candidate. They write:

We the senior editors of The Christian Post encourage our readers to back away from Donald Trump.

As the most popular evangelical news website in the United States and the world, we feel compelled by our moral responsibility to our readers to make clear that Donald Trump does not represent the interests of evangelicals and would be a dangerous leader for our country.

Trump claims to be a Christian, yet says he has never asked for forgiveness.

While God, in His wondrous creativity, has drawn people to Himself through the saving grace of Jesus Christ in many different ways, there are certain non-negotiable actions needed to become a Christian: One must repent of their sins and follow Christ as Lord and Savior. Trump doesn’t talk this way, even when urged to.

Further, his words and actions do not demonstrate the “fruit of the spirit.”

Trump is a misogynist and philanderer. He demeans women and minorities. His preferred forms of communication are insults, obscenities and untruths. While Christians have been guilty of all of these, we, unlike Trump, acknowledge our sins, ask for forgiveness and seek restitution with the aid of the Holy Spirit and our community of believers.

The editorial was written with the help of Southern Baptist leader Richard Land, who sits on their board. Hit the link for the following 2000 words.

  • Brad Lathem

    Christianity is a scam also, of course.

    • Shhh.

    • ElenorRigby

      It sure is fun watching republicans wake up suddenly with the house on fire… Not sure how to react or even IF they can react. They encouraged and cultivated the tea Baggers thinking they could control them. Trump saw them for what they are: angry, racist white prople who want America to go back to the days when being white made you special.

    • Gustav2

      This election is revealing the political scam the religious have been selling since the 1980’s. Most voters who identify to pollsters as “Born Again/Evangelical” never go to church, never listen to church leaders, and it is merely a tribal (white) identification.

      • Gene

        bingo
        white identity politics is EASY

        being an actual christian like, say, Jimmy Carter, and working to help the poor and living humbly…thats SO HARD

    • Buford

      Until these nutjobs pay taxes like other citizens, they need to keep their political opinions to themselves.

  • Charles Manuel P.

    Trump up by +3 tomorrow!

    • David Walker

      It might be interesting for someone far more knowledgeable than I to track the number of site hits from yesterday to next Wednesday to figure out how many people this moment of clarity lost. I applaud them, actually. This is far more than we’ve ever seen from NALT. To be clear, this in no way gets me back into a pew; however, I do congratulate them for having the balls to publish this.

  • Rex

    Plus, he needs to hate the gays way more than he does.

    • Todd20036

      That part you needn’t worry. He’ll sign the religious freedom bills like a good dog

      • Rex

        I’m not so sure, I really don’t think Trump cares one way or another about religious freedom. He’s saying what conservatives want to hear now, but if he’s the President, he’ll do what he wants. Still, I don’t trust him, period, and he won’t care about the LGBT community either.

        • BobSF_94117

          He’ll do what he wants

          And who, exactly, will carry out the administration of Trump’s wishes? Dems? His administration will be packed with hardline GOP from the cabinet down.

          • David Walker

            I think they will need to prove their creds as Drumpf ass-kissers. There are republican’ts who are now distancing themselves from Drumpf. He will need proven Drumpfsters, not necessarily hard line GOPT.

    • lymis

      Since he doesn’t care about gay people either way – he doesn’t care about anyone but himself, he won’t hesitate to pander to anyone who needs a good pander. And precisely because he’s not guided by anything but self-interest, there’s really no depth he’d be unwilling to sink to on the matter.

      He may not hate us, but he’s just as good to them as anyone who does.

  • Michael Smith

    The amazing part is that they’re just figuring this out.

    • JeffreyMGr

      The really amazing part is they figured it out at all.

      • David Walker

        Total agreement. But, and I’m sorry to keep harping on them, this is a light year away from anything NALT has EVER done, and we were told NALT would work for us. Yeah. Right.

      • Chucktech

        It couldn’t help but dawn on them eventually. They keep expecting praise for Jeezy the LORD to come forth from Trump’s mouth. It’s never come to pass, so they finally woke up.

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  • joeyj1220

    Pffft… people like the folks at the Christian Post are responsible for the sentiment that gave rise to Trump (live with your monster you assholes)

    • Justin

      Sadly, we will all get to live with their monster, too.

  • camel54

    You can sense the panic. They were convinced they were going to get a nice, obedient candidate who’d let them get away with anything they wanted, and now they see all that graft, corruption and lying slipping away to be replaced by someone who doesn’t give a shit about them.

    • Rex

      They overestimated the number of people who actually care that the candidate has any Christian beliefs.

      • crewman

        I think you’re right. They connect with someone who most powerfully spews hate and anger. Usually that happens to be the leading Christians in any race, but in this case it’s not.

      • lymis

        And since they did an immediate 180 last time, from “Mormons are spawn of the devil!” to “Romney is a good Christian!” and the flock followed that reversal, they should have seen it coming.

        The number of Christians who give a crap about Christianity when it’s inconvenient is vastly fewer than they are willing to consider. Just because someone shows up in church to have his self-righteousness stroked, it doesn’t mean they believe a word of it if it’s going to cost them.

        • crewman

          Excellent point. Whenever it’s time to put your money where your mouth is their actual faith is revealed. Do they stay home and pray to be cured of a disease or do they go to the doctor? Do they give all their money to the poor, or do they buy a new TV? Do they consistently practice everything their bible says, or do they pick and choose the parts that are convenient?

        • Chucktech

          I’d bet there was quite a few christians who stayed home in 2012 rather than vote for Romney.

      • Lars De

        I think they care that a candidate says he’s a Christian. Typically, as long as you say that all the time your actual behavior and actions don’t really matter.

        • Chucktech

          But Trump isn’t saying that all the time. He can barely be goaded into making tepid remarks like “Two Corinthians,” demonstrating what a phony christian he is.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        … on Election Day.

        During the leadup, they will scream and shout and make a racket. But conservative nuts do not stay home in a fit of pique. (cf. Jason Jones’ report).

      • DesertSun59

        Bingo. Hate overrides the ‘love of Christ’ in EVERY SINGLE CASE where the choice is available.

      • RaygunsGoZap

        I think it has shown us that there really are two types of Teabangelicals – the Dominionist-primes (Cruz supporters) and the Racist-primes (Trump supporters). The Dominionists are still racist but they’ve underestimated how much of the rank and file put race above faith.

  • Sam_Handwich

    i don’t know if this piling on Trump is coordinated or coincidental, but i think it’s too little too late

    • Rex

      Not to mention hysterically funny and entertaining.

      • DesertSun59

        It’s only fun unless he becomes POTUS. Then the Drumpf Brownshirts will be a bona fide and LEGAL hate group.

    • pj

      i was thinking they waited until he was almost a shoe in before they expressed their concerns. hes been most of those thing since the start….why did they wait so long. did they think holy cruz was going to win?

    • CanuckDon

      I think they all underestimated the power of his uncontrolled narcissism. It’s feeding off their judgmental, hateful rhetoric that they fed to the scared populace. The Frankenstein metaphor is incredibly apt.

    • leo77

      And very obvious.

    • Nic Peterson

      I would have preferred something closer to cocktail hour, maybe with passed appetizers but I’ll take morning coffee with Mittens. When I see Repulican friends, I am always sure to complement them on the sharp set of candidates they have offered the nation. Top Drawer!

      That last part normally goes over their heads…

  • Michael Smith

    Shouldn’t these hit pieces on Trump have been written and released months ago instead of waiting until he’s won like ten states?

    • Buford

      Shouldn’t tax-exempt organizations keep their political opinions to themselves…?

      • Chucktech

        Who’s to stop them? Certainly not the IRS.

  • Rex

    “His words and actions do not demonstrate the fruit of the spirit” – Ah, ok, so can you point out which of the other candidates do?

    • David Walker

      None, although Mental Ben has that portrait of him and Jeebus in his house. This is, to use Drumpf’s cliche, is huge. No, they have denounced Crud or Rube-io, but the simple fact that this is now out there is huge. It’s confronting their base, in a way. A few of those who can read now have something xn to think about. (Yes, I know, but I tried to qualify it.)

      • Doug105

        If you going with socialist Jesus I’d say Bernie.

        • Reality.Bites

          Bernie’s the only candidate who’s the same religion as Jesus.

    • lymis

      Bush. No, wait. The other Bush. Oops. Reagan. No, sorry.

      It’s not just the candidates who don’t measure up. It’s also most of their sainted leadership and pantheon of heroes, too. Jimmy Carter was probably the last president, much less candidate, who appeared to genuinely live by the standards these people claim to follow – and he was a Democrat.

    • Yixing’s Fluffer

      And the fruit salad of his life is rancid.

    • Brian in Valdosta

      Oh, Rex. There you go being so damn astute and everything. Don’t you know you’re not supposed to question the Holy Order?

      • Rex

        Burger, fries, diet coke, to go.
        That Holy Order?

        • Rex

          Make mine bread and water, I’ll make my own wine.

    • JCF

      A Certain Modest Methodist. [who would never, EVER seek out the endorsement of the friggin’ Christian(ist) Post!]

  • Andy King

    I have a feeling this flock will follow their leadership’s advice about as well as catholics do.
    Not only does imagining yourself as charitable and kind not make it so, you might have had an easier time encouraging those qualities among your membership if you hadn’t been a loudspeaker for religiously-backed prejudice and discrimination. You reap what you sow.

  • Todd20036

    Tough luck. The time to stop Drumpf was before he realized this level of popularity. Notice you didn’t speak out until he took a commanding lead in the delegate race

    And btw, you know all about scams don’t you? See the Catholic Church and its solid gold throne

  • StraightGrandmother

    It’s WAR ! ! !
    They have boxed Trump in, what is he going to do now?
    Go after the Christians?
    He went after the Pope, so pissant Richard Land is chump change.
    If my memory serves Richard Land is the President of the biggest Southern Baptist Seminary.
    He is the one who admitted he was wrong and that gay IS a sexual orientation and that people really are not simply choosing to be gay. I think he said that just last year. He was one of those, “It’s a Choice” guys.

    • Todd20036

      It’s only war if 2 sides fight

      Drumpf will claim victim hood and his followers will love him for it

    • lymis

      Trump has said all along that if he doesn’t feel the Republican Party is playing fair, he’s going to split off and run as an independent. I would think that winning a majority of the primaries and being first in the polls and then being shoved aside would seem to him like “not being fair.”

      • Chucktech

        Frankly, I’d have to agree with him.

        • David Walker

          You dance with the guy what brung you.

          • Sporkfighter

            Yeah, and you catch whatever he’s got in the back seat afterwards.

    • Gustav2

      Southern Baptists worry they are no longer replacing the elderly folks in the church with the younger generation. The SBC is no longer growing. The number one reason? The church’s involvement in politics and social issues.

      • Gene

        I had that discussion with a Southern Baptist a few months ago. He was rather snide about the Presbyterians membership decline. “we did not evangelize, and the older generation are dying” I said “we DID, and we grew”. my response “yes, but, you also antagonized women, and the young have no interest in any faith/organization/anything that is anti gay. My congregation lost 12 members to death last quarter. we gained 8 young adults under 30, and two of the couples have 3 kids between them. that pattern is being repeated everywhere. and YOU?”

        crickets. he looked like I had kicked him in the nads.

        2/3 + of young adults are still religiously affiliated, and they have NO damn interest as a rule in raising their kids in any bigoted environment. the Baptists are in for a fast decline in coming years.

    • Gene

      he is head of the SBC Ethics commission. It’s al Mophler who is president of the seminary. Mohler has world wide clout, interestingly. Land? de nada. Mohler has taken a VERY carefully worded stance on it. roughly, its not a choice, having the feelings is not sinful, “acting on them” (having a live, a family, enjoying sex) is BADDD…

      • StraightGrandmother

        Oh you are right Gene, I did mix up Al Mohler and Richard Land.
        It was Al Mohler who didn’t ever apologize, but he said he was wrong.
        You’re right.

        • Gene

          easy mistake…one pasty fat white southerner with bad pomaded hair looks much like another… 🙂

          untill we get up to the intavenous donut stage of gluttony like Todd Starnes that is

          • Gene

            ohhh…Romney is speaking now! must go see the train wreck hit the dumpster fire as the Hindenburg crashes into it all sitting on deck of the titanic!

  • I’m on the outside looking in. Please tell me that even though he’s surging among conservative voters within the Republican party (at 50% roughly?), in the general election, he doesn’t really stand a chance. Please reassure me. I can’t vote in your election, but what you do effects me. (And I really only have room for one of you on my couch).

    • Todd20036

      Kind of hard to say. General election polls are rather early at this point. But for now, Hillary is in the lead

      See 538.com for more details. Spell the numbers out

    • lymis

      If the people who consider themselves Democrats, liberals, progressives, moderates, and anyone else who doesn’t want the country run by someone who only cares if he wins, openly attacks minorities, wants Muslims run out of the country and is one of the most openly sexist and misogynist public figures in our country get up and go vote and make sure that their friends and neighbors do so as well, he doesn’t have a chance in hell.

      On the other hand, if we let some idiotic “Bernie versus Hillary” feud, or “now that we have a candidate, they’re not liberal enough, so I’ll stay home to send them a message” or “Nobody could possibly vote for Trump, so I’ll just stay home because my vote doesn’t matter” bullshit keep us home instead of voting, then yes, there’s a very real chance that this monster is going to be President of the United States.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      It’s dreadfully easy to scare up Hillary-hatred. They’ve been doing it for 24 years, and every desperate move works like distracting a baby with keys.

      Still.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Just like Trump’s “going there” with a half-dozen sacred cows, you’d better gird yourself for when he lets loose on Hillary and does all the things to her the GOP has actually restrained itself from doing for 24 years.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Sunday morning talk shows: “Yes, it’s simply AWFUL those things he’s saying about Hillary, but remember, we in the Republican Party didn’t want him as our candidate.”

    • Gustav2

      We need to start talking less about 1980’s Reagan Democrats and more about Hillary Republicans.

      http://plunderbund.com/2016/03/01/60-seconds-ohio-why-mikayla-bodey-changed-lanes-from-kasich-to-hillary/

      • Lumpy Gaga

        tl;dr but during the debates I wanted her to leave Bernie’s unfortunate gun record alone.

  • medaka

    Fucking GREAT photo, Joe!

  • j.martindale

    Un-American scumbags. Vote however you want, but keep your superstitions out of American politics. If you start choosing candidates, give up your tax exempt status!

  • oikos

    The comments on the “Christian Post” are split between doing what jeezi wants and the blasphemy of the CP for promoting the New World Order.

    http://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/compositions/106809387/views/1,width=280,height=280,appearanceId=16,version=1440417743.png/snake-oil-religion_design.png

  • Mike in Texas

    This is rapidly turning into a disaster of unprecedented proportions. The Republicans have nothing to blame but their own self centered greed and ambition. Karma is sweet.

    • David Walker

      Or “a disaster of biblical proportions.”

  • Jeffrey

    As much as I despise Trump, being a christian or any other faith should not be something we are looking for in a president. Faith does not in any way make you a better person, a better judge or impart wisdom that is unavailable to actual thinkers and learners. Of course Trump is a phony christian, but he’s a genuine pig.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I really do resent them trying to make it a litmus test.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Morning Joe and Mika had a pearl-clutching Starbucksklatsch this morning.

    I’m coming right out and saying that this song and dance about despising Trump is GOP mindfuck. Too many of the usual beltway suspects are on board.

    Trump gores a couple oxen in the party, yes, and shuts down a few grifts, but in the end, he’s digging out an abcess that was going to keep the GOP on a path of dwindling influence and power. They are not on track to victory with Cruz or Rubio. That’s as obvious as daylight.

    • Gustav2

      And when the guy from the Wall Street Journal came on to blast other journalists constant coverage of Trump, no one blamed the WSJ’s constant support for ‘trickle down theory’ for the voters’ anger.

    • Chucktech

      I agree, except that the GOP’s influence doesn’t really seem to be flagging as far as down ticket races go. Governorships and local governance all over the country are in the GOP thrall.

      • KarenAtFOH

        Not to mention gerrymandering.

        • Chucktech

          Oh, sure, but to be fair, the Dems did that, too.

  • Gustav2

    Hey Russell Moore,president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention:

    Why this election makes me hate the word ‘evangelical’

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/02/29/russell-moore-why-this-election-makes-me-hate-the-word-evangelical/

    He wants to be called a “Gospel Christian” Pssst, that’s what ‘evangelical’ basically means.

    • Herald

      His version of the Gospel anyway.

  • Rex

    Donald Trump – the Frankenstein Monster of the Republican Right.

  • Prion

    • JCF

      Familiarity of the “Two Corinthians” variety…

  • From the looks of things over there, the commentators at Christian Post are not happy that the CP has decided to make a public statement about Trumpf. Of course, the article is still whining about godly butchers, bakers, and candlestick makers being fired for their loosely rubbed up against religious beliefs.

  • Prion

    ..,

    • JCF

      We better WORK to ensure this headline doesn’t prevail in November!

  • Prion

    This is too funny!

  • Prion

    .,,

  • Yixing’s Fluffer

    Everybody knows who he is. They don’t give a fuck. You’re not changing anybody’s mind. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!!

  • scorpiomike

    “Trump is a misogynist and philanderer. He demeans women and minorities. His preferred forms of communication are insults, obscenities and untruths”

    Sounds like every other Republican. Why do you think he has so much support? He is feeding the masses what they want.

    “While Christians have been guilty of all of these, we, unlike Trump, acknowledge our sins, ask for forgiveness and seek restitution with the aid of the Holy Spirit and our community of believers.”

    So, his only difference is that he did not say the magic words that give him a clean slate so he can repeat his actions they claim to despise? This sort of thinking is so hard to understand.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Sounds like every other Republican.

      DING DING DING.

      You get a biscuit. The financially shady; the morally challenged; the fronting fakers – the GOP is their home.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        The GOP establishment is shocked – SHOCKED – that gambling is going on at Rick’s.

    • Stev84

      Just shows what immoral scumbags evangelicals are

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    How Christian of them to judge the quality and sincerity of another person’s avowed Christianity.

    • Rex

      It certainly didn’t work for the Pope when he called out the Donald.

    • Ray Taylor

      That is what the Inquisition was about.

  • Dramphooey

    All of these things are really shocked that stirring up rage for all of these years resulted in an enraged population producing this horror.

  • Mike C

    Pffft. These are the same people who drummed the only president that really acts a Christian out of office for a reality show B-movie star 40 years ago.

  • JaniceInToronto

    Fucking hypocrites.

    I hope that was strident enough to get across properly.

  • [email protected]

    the religious right is in panic mode now. they know that if Trump is the Nominee that either way the election goes they will not have a voice in the white house and so they will increasingly attack trump.

    • MickinDetroit

      lovely in’nit?

    • Chucktech

      Indeed. That’s why if cruel destiny dictates that one of the clown car’s occupants is to win the election, I want it to be Trump.

  • ceeenbee

    Get a clue guys (and by ‘guys’, I mean ‘guys’, because I’m certain lowly women were not consulted for your editorial.) Voters for drumpf are not voting because of his religiosity. They say they are but, they are voting for him because they are also racist, misogynist, homophobic, white bigots who relate to him. Their votes have nothing to do with religion. They have everything to do with fear, hate and desperation to feel superior to someone…anyone.

    You are complicit in drumpfs ascendency. You allowed the monster to roam the country free and are now terrified because he’s pillaging your villages. Karma is a bitch.

  • Mihangel apYrs

    ” . . . Trump claims to be a Christian, yet says he has never asked for forgiveness.”

    Amazing that they can read his mind, and know what he has said in the dark watches of the night!

    It is also amazing that they highlight his other sins while not equally condemning the same in their ownclique.

    Hypocrisy is a sin – did not their Jeebus talk of “whited sepulchres”?

  • bkmn

    The list of tRump’s failed businesses is longer than most people’s resume. He is not a successful businessman, he just has wealth so he can keep trying.

    • MickinDetroit

      Say what you will about his business acumen… he’s a tremendously good self promoter.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      John Oliver points out that the campaign is financed with a LOAN from DJ Drumpf.

      It’s a better investment than the stock market.

      • bkmn

        I can’t wait for Rancid Pubics to get that bill.

    • Sporkfighter

      Were those real bankruptcies or strategic business moves to pilfer companies and leave others holding an empty sack?

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Lumpy Gaga

      Corky!

  • Octavio

    So a scam is calling a scam a scam? Fabulous!

    • David Walker

      This needs both popcorn and a scorecard.

  • Bob Black

    I just had a discussion with my boss (also my Pastor, I work at a church, the progressive-gay affirming United Church of Christ kind) and he pointed out that a shit-ton (his exact words, he’s pretty cool) of people who will identify themselves as “Evangelicals” really have absolutely no interest in church since they were kids and their nominally-religious parents made them go 3 or 4 times. They know they don’t like gays or foreigners (although they tolerate abortion when it suits them) so they align themselves when asked with the movement that follows those beliefs. The largest group of “Evangelicals” drinks too much, divorces too much, gambles too much and watches too many dirty movies to really be associated with the religious movement of the same name. This is one of the reasons I don’t fear the religious right as much as others here do; their numbers are exaggerated.

    • MickinDetroit

      that may be, but the turn out EVERY TIME for “their guy”. so their numbers have an out sized influence.

    • Rex

      All they have to do is ask for forgiveness and they’re good to go.

      • Bob Black

        The concept of forgiveness is more nuanced than that. Saying that Christians can “do whatever they want and then just ask forgiveness afterward” is really an oversimplification of a more complex theological concept. I agree that to some dumb-asses who identify as Christian it may boil down to that. But even the most back-woods, redneck, missing-teeth Pastor would take issue with that oversimplification of the concepts of forgiveness, redemption and repentance. I have no problem with people criticizing religion, or specifically MY religion, but do it from an honest place of understanding.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          The problem is with the church goers who act like that is true. That is how we get the Duggars and Kim Davis.

        • David Walker

          I appreciate your input on this. However, most of us read or hear about the Kim Davises and Caribou Barbies of this world and find their theologies a bit suspect. Cousin Kimmie told us her god forgave her for her past sins and now she’s good to go. Caribou Barbie told us that her god has forgiven Bristol absolutely, so Bris can practice her non-abstinence approach to sex all she wants and she’s forgiven. Seriously, honestly, truly, I understand what you’re saying, but that’s because you’re intelligent and possess curiosity and your denomination gets it (although the UCC in my town has voted against allowing LGBTs to marry in their sacred space). I can’t say the same for many of The Truly Religious.

          • Bob Black

            Which is why if you’re going to form opinions about Christians or Christianity you need more sources that Kim Davis on the news or watching “19 Kids and Counting”. If you presented a paper on religion in college that poorly researched you would get an F.

          • David Walker

            I agree. I was raised Presbyterian, so I have some back-ground, and have read more of the bible since it became apparent The Moral Majority would never go away. I’ve also read contemporary commentary and some Dawkins, Hitchins, and other atheists. This has enabled me to come down squarely on the “beats hell outta me” side of religious/non-religious conviction. And I think it allows me to be fair to those whom I consider Christian and those I think are xn. I have no problem with xn bashing; turnabout IS fair play. I have reservations bashing Christians. As I respect people who are convinced there is no god or supreme being, I also respect those who actually are Christians or are true to any other religious beliefs. I don’t want in, but I do try to understand. And this, I think, would get me by with a gentleman’s C+/B- on that paper.

          • Bob Black

            For me…turnabout is NOT fair play. It conflicts in my belief about mercy and I have, from experience, seen that it only escalates problems instead of solving them. “Bashing” fundamentalist Christians whether it be in the media or in online forums only serves to galvanize their beliefs, not make them question them. To people who say “But it feels good to say it!” they probably feel good for 10 seconds and then go back to being frustrated and angry when they realize their rant has had no effect whatsoever on the person or the situation.

          • David Walker

            You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din. (Which isn’t meant to compare you to Gunga Din. Or Kipling. It just comes to mind from time to time.)

          • Bob Black

            Not to belabor a point, but I feel a little bit compelled….

            As Christians we are to OFFER forgiveness unreservedly and completely, regardless of the offenders repentance. Along with offering forgiveness we are always to behave mercifully, never seeking vengeance, always doing LESS than perhaps justice would dictate that we COULD do to the person who harmed or offended us.

            As the offender, accepting that forgiveness requires repentance and a spirit of humbleness and gratitude.

            What frustrates some is that Kim Davis (just the latest example) does not appear to act humbly. I understand that assessment and share it. But I absolutely DO believe that Kim has been forgiven for her past sins, and will be forgiven for her present ones, regardless of whether or not she apologizes or changes her position. I don’t want to have dinner with Kim Davis. I don’t believe Josh Duggar is sorry for what he did, just sorry he got caught. But for my half of the story, I forgive them. Whether they complete their half is between them and their God.

            I believe the Christian concept of forgiveness has value even to non-religious folks. Too many people get stuck looking for “closure” after they have been wronged. Too many people can’t move on until the person who wronged them explains what they did sufficiently and too often that explanation never comes or is disappointing when it does. Too many people exist in anger for their entire lives because they haven’t exacted sufficient vengeance on those who hurt them. When I am wronged I have to take a deep breath, work through my anger or grief and say “I forgive you” whether the offender is there or not. It’s not weak. It takes a lot of strength to let go of anger and vengeance-seeking. My moving forward has NOTHING to do with the other person’d behavior, words or even presence in my life. Forgiveness means letting go of anger and I believe a lot of people in the LGBT community could benefit from mastering that.

            One last point, I often hear criticism of those who say they forgive people, when perhaps timing or their actions make it seem unlikely. I would say that sometimes forgiving someone BEGINS with saying the words. Forgiveness is often a process and getting the words out may come at the beginning OR the end of that process. I admire anyone who can choke out the words. They often stick in my throat too.

          • David Walker

            This is in reply to “Not to belabor…”. I really don’t know how I feel about god’s forgiveness since I don’t know how I feel about god. But I DO most definitely believe in trying to forgive others. And it IS sometimes the most difficult thing to do. Exacting one’s pound of flesh is most certainly one way to go. But to say “I forgive you” is more difficult than “I’m sorry.” Most religions have a positive variation of “treat others as you want to be treated.” I expect that…I try to do that and I expect that from others. I find it just shy of impossible to forgive hatred, bigotry, acting from stupidity, and so on. When I’m confronted with having wronged someone, I think about it before I apologize, and if I’m convinced the accusation is legit, I will apologize.

            I hold myself in rather high regard in some ways. I’ve lived my life in such a way that my word IS my bond, that if I give my word on something, it will be done. I also think I’m fair. I think that I am good at giving people the benefit of the doubt. But there is a line. There are only so many cheeks that I can turn. If someone assaults me, verbally or physically, I will defend myself. If someone does harm to me, I will not seek revenge, but I don’t know that I would forgive her/him. One of the most humbling things I know is to hear genuine forgiveness. A few years ago, a gunman invaded an Amish school and opened fire on the kids and teacher. The Amish families who lost their kids forgave the killer. The people who lost family in the gun assault in the church last year forgave the murderer, and I don’t know that I could ever do that. I hope it never comes to that.

          • Stev84

            >”As Christians we are to OFFER forgiveness unreservedly and completely, regardless of the offenders repentance”

            Mandatory forgiveness is sick and immoral. There have been tons of cases where girls have been raped by someone in the church – the rapist was forgiven and the girl was attacked for not forgiving.

          • Bob Black

            That means they don’t know what rape is along with what forgiveness means. Just because there is a group of people who misinterpret forgiveness doesn’t mean it’s an illegitimate concept. Believe me, whether in the Christian or the secular concept at some point in her life, a woman who is raped will have to let go of anger for her attacker or lead a truly miserable life. The timing is up to the victim, and certainly it doesn’t happen right away, but at some point it has to happen. Was the situation you described absolutely 100% wrong? You bet your ass it was. But it’s an indictment of the people involved, NOT of the concept of forgiveness. Forgiveness means letting go of anger and not seeking vengeance. It does NOT replace informing the authorities when a crime has been committed. It doesn’t mean I want to go get an ice cream and discuss the latest episode of Project Runway with the person who has wronged me. It doesn’t mean I have to put myself in a position to be harmed by the same person ever again. You can choose to let go, or you can choose to have anger for the rest of your life. I would rather put my mental energy to productive things instead of stoking an “anger fire” for the rest of my life.

        • Stev84

          Except a pastor doesn’t have to be involved. They can just talk to themselves and forgive themselves. Most importantly, they never have to ask forgiveness from the people they’ve wronged.
          And even if they did, victims are obligated to forgive. Which is another really, really sick thing. If they don’t then they’re the ones getting attacked.

    • TexasBoy

      I think it depends greatly upon what part of the US you’re talking about. I would be difficult to exaggerate the influence of evangelicals in the South. They do have great influence.

  • DesertSun59

    This is HILARIOUS. You see, the ‘saving grace of Jesus’ is NOT and never has been a criteria for being a Christian.

    Here’s how you will be able to tell once Trump becomes the nominee. Every single major evangelical talking head will be ENDORSING this man. All of them.

  • Matthew Delemos

    I guess Karma isn’t always a chameleon. All this bickering and infighting with the GOP is so delicious, it must be fattening.

  • Cosmo Tupper

    The Christian Post – Motto: Judging non-christians one heathen at a time!

  • Alan43

    NPR was reporting this morning that some evangelical leaders, like Russell Moore, are so upset about evangelical support for Trump that they’re not calling themselves evangelicsls anymore

    • Lumpy Gaga

      LOL.

  • Michael

    grabbing the Chicago mix popcorn.. hehe

  • Jack_Carter_USA

    Too little too late, guys.

  • Sean Taylor

    If they fell for one scam like Christianity why not fall for another. Unfortunately they’re falling for it in yuuuge numbers. So! We’re doomed.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    If you use FireFox, install the Drumpfinator for much more fun when dealing with Herr Trump.

    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/drumpfinator-fx/

  • John

    Wow, hypocrisy on full display! “We Christians do all of these things also, but because we ask a mythical being for forgiveness, we can do them and not be punished for doing them”. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    I would never vote for Drumpf in a million years, but my not voting will have nothing to do with the opinion of these psychotic and delusional folk.

  • leo77

    More interesting than this editorial are the comments it’s drawing. The majority seem to be from people who now accuse the CP of being an organ of the establishment wing of the Republican party and go on to rationalize their support for Trump.

    I hope this is eye opening to the editors there, let them see what motivates many of their constituency who claim deep Christian faith, but really have little respect for what that first century Jew supposedly taught.

    • Ben in Oakland

      You can hope in one hand and shit in the other, and guess which one will full up first?
      They simply WILL NOT see it.

  • BeaverTales

    Everyone is wondering which GOP voting bloc Trump most appeals to? They say your candidate of choice should be a “good-enough” projection of your highest values. I guess America’s Christianists have way more trouble projecting themselves onto The Donald than they do onto Ted Cruz. Marco Rubio seems to be the new poster boy for the old-line moneyed Bretton Woods plutarchs? I’m not sure anymore… the GOP hydra has many heads.

    Trump appeals most to the “fear of change” demographic, more than the “fear of God” demographic. The “foc” demographic is growing larger in both parties. A sure sign of an otiose elite that fears an impending breakdown in the status quo that precedes a revolution…and/or a new Age.

  • Frostbite

    “Trump is a misogynist and philanderer. He demeans women and minorities. His preferred forms of communication are insults, obscenities and untruths. ” wait. are we talking about trump, the gop, or these scamvangelists? i’m so confused.

  • Justin

    Shorter: “We completely agree with him, but he’s so blatant that people are waking up and seeing us for what we are. We can’t have that.”

    • Stev84

      Ding! Ding! Ding!

  • Adam Stolfi

    The Christian Post editorialists are writing as though the mass of Evangelical voters actually would care about anything (humility and civil comportment, say) more than political power.

  • Benny S.

    The senior editors of the Christian Post neglected to mention that they also don’t like Trump because he’s not as anti-gay as the Post’s preferred candidate, super-duper totes anti-gay Ted Cruz.

  • PiperPine

    At this point the GOP and its various supporters are scrambling but the problem is that genie wont go back in the bottle. They courted this sort of thing now they have to live with it.

  • Schlukitz

    “Donald Trump is a scam”

    Donald Trump is a scum.

    There. I fixed it.

  • Mark

    “While Christians have been guilty of all of these, we, unlike Trump,
    acknowledge our sins, ask for forgiveness and seek restitution with the
    aid of the Holy Spirit and our community of believers”

    Ok…but exactly what have you done to change the shitty demeaning behavior???

  • Michael Hampton

    So they want the misogyny, racism and homophobia that gave us Trump, they just don’t want it coming from a man who married a porn star and made his wife get abortions. Got it.

  • Mark

    And the pot calls the kettle black. What bunch of fucking hypocrits.

  • DaveMiller135

    “Trump is a scam?” No shit, Sherlock.

  • newdocumentary

    Yes, but do you support this scammer because she is gay? http://www.suzefilm.com

  • John Calendo

    As always, the comments on the Christian Post article are the best. Strap yourself in, Christopher.

  • StuckNtexas

    Pot calling the kettle black.

  • 2karmanot

    “Further, his words and actions do not demonstrate the “fruit of the spirit.” Ah huh…well, I sure embrace the fruit of the spirit:

    • Gianni

      Jesus is hot. Am I allowed to say that? I don’t want God to be mad at me.

  • Octoberfurst

    Check out the comments over at the Christian Post. The vast majority are lambasting the Post for not supporting Trump. Their line of reasoning sort of goes like this: “Yeah Trump may not be an outspoken Christian but do you know his heart? Besides we are not electing a pastor! We are electing our Commander in Chief and we need someone who is tough and will stop all those illegals who are coming in and taking our jobs and stop the Muslim terrorists from killing us!” Some others take the CP to task for not being against “the Muslim President Obama” when he ran for office.
    So in nutshell these Religious Right loons don’t give a crap about what the Bible says or even if Trump is a Christian or not. All they want is a strong-man in office who will kick ass. How “Christ-like” of them. I always knew they were hypocrites.

  • Robert Conner

    Turns out Christian racism goes way back.

  • Ben in Oakland

    “Trump is a misogynist and philanderer. He demeans women and minorities. His preferred forms of communication are insults, obscenities and untruths. While Christians have been guilty of all of these, we, unlike Trump, acknowledge our sins, ask for forgiveness and seek restitution with the aid of the Holy Spirit and our community of believers.”
    Can I translate:
    Kid “I asked god to give me a bike, but my pastor told me that that is not how god works. So I stole a bike and asked god for forgiveness”

  • CottonBlimp

    During the Bush years, in response to liberal blogs reporting on how “family values” candidates had cheated on their wives, one insightful commenter said, “Republican voters don’t care if their candidate is a philandering hypocrite, because they are too.”

    Newsflash, Christian Post: evangelists don’t care if Donald Trump is a sincere believer, because they aren’t either.

  • sandollar_man

    According to Jesus’s own words, Donald Trump is an adulterer: TWICE
    “And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery”. — Mathew 19:9

    According to Jesus and in Jesus’s own words, because he didn’t divorce his previous wives, cuz they were fornicators; Mr. Trump is technically an adulterer. Actually he says they were both lovely women.

    The divorce rate in this country is pretty high, so in that respect, Mr. Trump is a lot like the rest of us.

    But for the rest of us to be like Donald Trump we’d have to:
    1) Inherit 35 million dollars
    2) Go bankrupt twice – while owning CASINO’S.
    3) Be adulterers (according to Jesus)

  • Jim

    This “dump on Trump” stuff isn’t going to work. Trump’s supporters know that they’re not choosing Jesus’s 13th disciple. They want somebody to stand up to the Republican elites and kick ass. The elites are merely offering one of their own as an alternative. How’s that supposed to work?

  • KnownDonorDad

    Right, because the Constitution says you have to be a Christian to be President. Right there in Article VI, I think.

  • TimJ

    What a bunch of baloney. When push comes to shove, the Republicans and “evangelicals” will fall in line behind Trump. Tony Perkins and the people he employs, big Cruz supporters. are already bending, tying themselves in pretzels to support the fascist Trump.

  • TheManicMechanic

    Taking a political stance? TAX THEM.

  • JCF

    They’re not wrong, but Evangelicals (i.e., Christianists) of the “Christian Post” ilk really ARE all about Who They Hate. Trump is PERFECT for them. Own it, Christianists!

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/64/e3/18/64e318203762d9c03a00a0c16ed00e2d.jpg

  • No shit, really?

  • Gucci Goldstein

    The Christians that are supporting him are the Mega Churches and Prosperity Ministries Churches. In the Christians beliefs, I am going to hell because I’m Jewish. I love how they LOVE Israel and supports her while condemn the Jews to Hell. Head scratchier