INDONESIA: “Effeminate” Men Banned From Television

Indonesia’s crackdown on its LGBT population continues. Gay Star News reports:

Indonesia has banned men from behaving effeminately or dressing in women’s clothing on TV. The Indonesian Broadcasting Commission (KPI) issued a directive Tuesday (23 February) after receiving complaints from viewers.

The directive specifically banned: Men wearing feminine fashion. Men wearing feminine make-up. Feminine body language exhibited by men, including, but not limited to, walking style, sitting style, hand gestures and other behaviors. Men speaking in a feminine way. Depicting justifications or promoting that men can behave effeminately. Depicting a man greeting another man in ways that are supposed to be for women. Depicting terminologies and colloquial terms that are often used by effeminate males.

“KPI assess these things are not in accordance with the respect for the norms of decency and morality in society and the protection of children and adolescents,” it said on its website.

RELATED: Homosexuality is legal in Indonesia except for Muslims in the heavily populated provinces of Aceh and South Sumatra, where Sharia Law is in effect. Indonesia is the world’s most-populous Muslim-majority nation, with 87% of its 255 million residents being Sunni Muslims.

  • olandp

    Guess I don’t need to worry about appearing on Indonesian TV now.

    • another_steve

      You beat me to it.

      Hon, I bet compared to me, you look and sound like a lumberjack.

    • Todd20036

      I bet you look lovely. Owning your effeminacy is very sexy

  • DesertSun59

    ISIS has successfully caused Muslim populations around the entire planet to tack right. Just like what has happened in the US.

    The world is rapidly moving backwards politically. This doesn’t bode well for a planet headed toward Peak Oil, Peak Water and global climate change with 9 billion people.

    • Nax

      I don’t know if it’s ISIS that’s doing it, but it is happening. I don’t want to imagine what a Trump, Rubio, or Cruz national campaign will look like.

    • bambinoitaliano

      The homophobia is very much the export of American culture. At least in regards to appearance and physicality of it. That part of the world young men use to hold hands and have physical closeness without being label and seen as sexual closeness. The negativity of the word “gay’ has spread far and wide. While some of us here enjoy the progression, many parts of the world are still in the midst of that negative cultural influence of homosexuality perpetuated by the Western Countries.

      • canoebum

        The recent statements and government moves coming out of Indonesia are reactionary in nature. They see the global progress of equality for LGBT citizens and are acting to counter it. These developments are a reaction to our successes, a clear sign we’re winning the argument among fair-minded people.

        • BobSF_94117

          They don’t see the global progress of equality. What they see is how easy it is for a political party to exploit anti-gay sentiment to avoid talking about, say, policy. And they’re not learning it from ISIS, they’re learning it from the GOP and Putin (who learned it from the GOP).

  • Sporkfighter

    I watched the women’s world cup games . . . what exactly is “feminine body language”?

    • Ed Burrow

      like that judge ruled about pornography….i’ll know it when i see it.

      • Bad Tom

        So, you’ll know you have it when the cops arrest you.

  • Nax

    I recall Indonesia being used by the religious and islamic apologists as an example of how Muslims are really moderates. People like Fareed Zakaria who wrote this: “I know the arguments against speaking of Islam as violent and reactionary. It has a following of 1.6 billion people. Places such as Indonesia and India have hundreds of millions of Muslims who don’t fit these caricatures.” I think he’s going to have to take Indonesia off his example list when he debates Sam Harris and Bill Maher.

    • hiker_sf

      Maybe. But the actions of a few right-wing politicians do not necessarily reflect the culture. Every country has right-wing nutcases who make or attempt to make despicable laws, including the US. When there is government sanctioned killing of gay men, or it becomes part of the culture, get back to me.

      • Nax

        Only then? First they came for the Socialists…

  • barrixines

    The Indonesian national motto is “Bhinneka Tunggal Ika” meaning many yet one ie unity in diversity. Just not the kind of diversity that includes effeminate men obviously.

    • hiker_sf
      • Very interesting link! Thanks!

      • Many moons ago I was with a group of psychologists and psychiatrists who spent a month in Indonesia looking at cross-cultural mental health delivery systems. As I’ve often experienced, being American Indian, I was assumed by the locals at the 4 different islands we visited–to be also Indonesian, but from a different island.

        As I’ve also experienced on a nearly daily basis in the U.S. and Europe, Indonesian locals would often be confused about my gender. I learned to say in Indonesian, “I am the son of Arjuna.” In the mythos surrounding the Mahabharata, Arjuna was often referred to as “the most beautiful man in the world.” In representations he was often shown as androgynous looking, and indeed, it was common in public performances for Arjuna to be portrayed by a biological female dressed up as a male. Now I’m curious if the extremist atmosphere that formed since I was last there has stripped away that aspect of the historic cultural reality of Arjuna.

        My most frightening moment (this references the Wikipedia link on Indonesian sexuality and gender) was when I was away from the bus transporting us and the other Americans. I was suddenly surrounded by 5 or 6 Buggi men. It’s been suggested “Buggi” is the source of the European term “Boogie men.” They were speaking their own language rather than bahasa Indonesian so I couldn’t understand them but their tones and body language were crystal clear in terms of having a very physical interest in me. Just as they started closing in I was “rescued” by our tour director and the interpreter.

    • JB

      You would be wrong about that . Waria are everywhere in Indonesia and readily accepted by society. I don’t know whats currently biting the ass of the muslim politicians and the recent hissy fit they’re throwing but the culture of Waria has been around much longer than Islam

      https://youtu.be/obDDRNcDepY

      • barrixines

        “I don’t know whats currently biting the ass of the muslim politicians”

        Just a guess but I think the answer could lie somewhere in that sentence.

      • jb

        So goes the culture of “Mbai” amongst the Asmat people of the southern coast of what was once called Irian Jaya. This too is Indonesia. Hardly effeminate and fierce cannibals as Michael Rockefeller discovered.

        https://youtu.be/XQG-tlqYNL8

    • JB

      The unofficial motto of Indonesia is “Lain desa, lain adat”/ ‘different villages, different customs’… you will hear it everywhere you go in the country and is the universal explanation of why there are so many different customs, rituals, religions, habits, diversities.
      It is a notion amongst Indonesians that they are a very accepting people when it comes to such diversities and a point of national pride.

  • Gene Perry

    Well, so much for “Will & Grace” re-runs …

    • Bruno

      Really lol this is why Americans are awful world travelers — a sitcom that ended years ago is your reference. Wow. Yay. Good.

  • The insanity of religion knows no bounds.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Marco Rubio should be their president. Maybe the television will only be showing Transformer and Thunderbird. Max Headroom will be brought back to read their news.

  • Blake Jordan

    Some countries move forward, but so many more are stagnant or move backwards….

    • Oh’behr

      I fear the USA (ala Trump) is about to leap backwards.

  • Baltimatt

    Homosexuality is legal in Indonesia except for Muslims in the heavily populated provinces of Aceh and South Sumatra, where Sharia Law is in effect.

    Separate legal systems depending on your religion. That sucks.

  • Silver Badger

    Effeminacy is not an exclusively homosexual trait. The smart money may invest in “butch” schools. Another approach is http://www.artofmanliness.com/ which is a surprisingly interesting site.

    • medaka

      I have to check my linky-list, but I thinks that’s where I learned to whistle with two fingers….

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Artofmanliness did have a wonderful article of beautiful vintage photos of WW1 soldiers together, just kind of presented without comment. Some of them were clearly very intimate, probably lovers, some were clearly just buddies, but most were in that gray area where it could have been either. I liked that they just presented the photos as is and left it to the reader to make (and question) his own assumptions.

  • edrex

    Eye of the beholder my Indonesian friends. I’ve never classified Indonesian men at the top of the macho list.

    • Silver Badger

      I remember an Indonesian friend complaining that American condoms were too large. Do you suppose there is a national inferiority complex at work here?

    • Goodboy

      My Gaydar would never know the difference.

  • Gustav2

    Ah, the Hays Code.

    • Stev84

      You still can’t say naughty words or show nudity on network television or basic cable.

      • Gustav2

        I was amazed how much skin ‘American Horror Story: Hotel’ showed for basic cable.

        • Stev84

          Basic cable is a often a bit better than networks with allowing things.

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          Still no wee wee, though.

  • Snownova

    You see America, you make the Dutch give up their colony and this is what you get.

  • Yixing’s Fluffer

    Things are getting ugly at warp speed. I’m really disappointed in President Jokowi – he was the better candidate in the election but he’s failed completely here. Part of me wants to say that Soekarnoputri is ordering him to stay mum, but that’s no excuse.

    • Reasonoverhate

      They’re muslims……what did you expect?

      • Yixing’s Fluffer

        Blanket statements like that are the same we were/are labeled as pedophiles.

        • Reasonoverhate

          Not when you’re talking about muslims, especially non-American muslims.

        • Goodboy

          Not necessarily. Wherever you have a predominate Muslim population outside of Canada/United States human rights abuses are going to be a given.

        • CottonBlimp

          So just because the religious make up blanket statements about us based in bullshit, we can’t make blanket statements about the religious that are actually true?

      • JB

        Indonesia has the second largest Hindu population in the world. They are Buddhist, Taoists, Christians, Animists and those of native religions as well. Try traveling through the outer islands … theres over 14,000 of them. Not everyone is from Java, Sumatra, Bali, Kalimantan, Sulawesi.

        • Reasonoverhate

          The article states that 87% of the country or 255 million people there are muslim. Where I come from, that’s a majority. And no, I haven’t visited and never will. I flatly refuse to visit any country where islam is the predominate religion. They subjugate and abuse women not to mention their views on the LGBT community. When they start passing marriage equality laws and laws that protect us, then maybe I’ll think about it.

          • JB

            You live in the US? What did you do before marriage equality laws were passed? Oh thats right… you held your breath and clicked your ruby slippers together until everything was just perfect .. just the way you wanted things to be. And everyone lived happily ever after in perfect peace and harmony.
            The end.

          • Reasonoverhate

            Nope. I protested, I donated money to the cause, and I lived as openly as possible with my husband under DADT to help educate those around us. America is not perfect and the fundamental religious right is crazy. However, they aren’t killing people for being gay or for believing in another religion. Fundamental religion of any variety is bad for society and islam is currently the worst offender on the planet.

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  • Todd20036

    Meanwhile, I’ve met macho, masculine, muscular men who could rip of my spine and floss with it.

    No way could you call them effeminate on any level.

    But man do their holes get hungry!

    And yes, I’ve met effeminate straight men, too.

    Orientation and masculinity are completely independent of each other.

    • DonnaLee

      Two men I’ve met with the strongest lisps were both completely straight.

      • RaygunsGoZap

        Was one of them Lyle, The Effeminate Heterosexual?

        • DonnaLee

          No, I knew them personally.

    • Bruno

      That’s all well and good but effeminate gay men or effeminate straight men pay a much heavier price for being a version of “not masculine” whatever that may mean.

      I’ve seen it firsthand time and time again especially in the bear world.

  • metrored

    That sounds like a Manhunt Profile.

  • BeaverTales

    It’s not about human rights….it’s about creeping westernization/secularism, just like it is in most Muslim/Christian majority nations in the 3rd world.

    How do you fight the Gay Menace&#153? Create a sense of alarm, panic, and superiority in the target audience about masculinity under attack. Because masculinity is so precious and fragile that denigrating anything feminine is the only thing that makes cowardice and fear of change seem manly again.

    “Norms of decency and morality in society and the protection of children and adolescents,” will otherwise not survive the coming gay apocalypse. Because logic.

    • BobSF_94117

      The only real problem with creeping westernization is that it interferes with corruption.

      • BeaverTales

        American Christianists have been getting their grift on since St. Ronnie was canonized….the Westernized Version&#153. I think our beloved Xtians mainly fear secularization. Indonesians obviously fear both.

      • jb

        Someone has obviously read ‘Max Havelaar’

  • Alan43

    So Indonesian television is now like online dating

    • Tor

      Fats and Asians will be next.

  • Dean Cameron

    Well! Two- thirds of the men in Indonesia can no longer appear on Television!

  • Stev84

    Many straight men are so insecure

  • Blake Mason

    I was about to say… isn’t Indonesia the home of the “lady-boy”?

  • chasmader

    I lived in Jakarta in the summer of ’84, when I was in college. I found Indonesians to be a warm and welcoming people. I never saw any of this hate speech then. I guess it was a simpler time.

    • Octavio

      The current power brokers need something new to direct hate. The folks in East and West Timor just aren’t that interesting anymore.

  • teeveedub

    I’m very upset that the Indonesian people will no longer have the opportunity to hear anything Lindsey Graham has to say.

  • I am disgusted by thinking that effeminacy is seen as something bad in our society

  • Octavio

    No more nancy girly boyze on TEE VEE? I’m shocked. Does that mean men can no longer be seen on TEE VEE wearing traditional kurtas?

  • EdmondWherever

    So, no cyclists who shave their legs, no cooking shows hosted by men, and certainly no visits from President Hillary Clinton, who might bring along her subordinate spouse.

  • ultragreen

    It’s time to appoint a gay U.S. ambassador for Indonesia.

  • JT

    In other words, Tom of Finland men wanted … to fill our need.
    http://www.kcet.org/sites/kl/files/atoms/article_atoms/www.kcet.org/arts/artbound/TOF_3-2.jpg

  • Robert Conner

    Thank the gods it’s not men with dicks under five inches. They’d have suspend TV permanently in Indonesia.

  • Glen

    It’s time to put the economic screws to Indonesia.

    Leave them to the grace of their worthless fucking “god”. See how that works out for them.