Glenn Beck Meets Anti-Circumcision Activists, Tells His Audience The Group Is Attacking Jews [AUDIO]

Radical fringe groups like Westboro Baptist and social justice groups took advantage of the Super Bowl media spotlight this weekend to stage protests across the Bay Area. Among them was a group of anti-circumcision “intactivists” called the Bloodstained Men. Glenn Beck came across the group near San Francisco’s Ferry Building and today he mocked them on his show, calling their campaign “another attack on Jews.” Listen below.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    There was an anti-circumcision group with a booth at Palm Springs Pride. I was hoping for more photos in their materials, but it was just text. ;-/

  • Lazycrockett

    Im not pro or anti but I’ve always found it interesting bout how guys miss something they never really had enough to protest bout it.

    • Judas Peckerwood

      What the hell is that supposed to mean? Honest inquiry.

      • Lazycrockett

        Just that Ive had discussions with guys who feel that they have been robbed bout a part of their body, which I understand, but it was only a part of them for like a day. I understand it in theory bout the pain the trama etc, but in reality it doesn’t seem like a big deal. If that makes sense.

        • Hardley

          yeah .. in the same way that if people were born into slavery then surely they shoudn’t miss their freedom /s

        • IntactivismIsProsemitic

          It is still a part of them. Look up the primary sensory homunculus and synaesthesia. The brain undergoes permanent neurological changes as a result of the sensory deprivation of over 20,000 neuronal inputs. The brain is a computational machine. The outputs (mental experience) are affected when the inputs change.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      I think it’s the realization when you’re an adult that somebody else altered your body without giving you a choice when you were helpless to stop them. You can’t remember ever having a foreskin, so you don’t really miss it the way you would miss a foot or a hand, But if you spend a lot of time thinking about that, it will make you mad.

      • pickypecker

        ..

    • Robert Adams

      Would you feel that way if they had cut off your arm when you were seven days old?

    • Boitje

      Most of the circumcised gay men I know who really “miss” their foreskin are in a relationship with or have otherwise had sex with intact guys and see vividly the way a penis is supposed to work. It’s as if you came from a culture that cut off every newborn’s thumbs, and then you moved to a culture where everyone has 10 fingers. You’d sure as hell miss your thumbs. And you’d protest.

    • Jason Drew

      One reason is because intact intactivists like me tell people the good things about foreskin and being intact; something you sadly won’t find in the mainstream medical websites in the States. The imbalance needs addressing.

      • yachty

        Uncircumcised gays like you and your foreskin fetish……

    • Jason Drew

      Other common reasons include when circumcised guys feel that something doesn’t feel right, like discomfort during sex; or guys who’ve had nothing but serious lifelong physical problems caused by their circumcision. You can blame a botch if you like, perhaps more so for the second reason but in almost every single case circumcision wasn’t needed in the first place; it did not make them better in any way, and they know it.

  • bkmn

    Most people think Glenn is a dick. He just reaffirmed that belief.

    • Archie

      Most, but not all of a dick probably.
      I can’t bring myself to listen to the audio.

    • Hardley

      perhaps they could just cut the tip of him off

  • Judas Peckerwood

    In response, Glenn Beck launched yet another attack on sanity, intelligence and logic.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Glenn Beck couldn’t find any of those things with a map.

      • Todd20036

        And that’s because he doesn’t have enough maps….

        • Judas Peckerwood

          But he could certainly draw you a chart…

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      • Judas Peckerwood

        Flagged, fuckface.

  • pickypecker
    • KCMC

      sort of torn, (rather cut) on this. Thought African HIV rates dropped significantly with adult circumcision?

      • NZArtist

        Rates of male testicular cancer would fall to zero if you cut the balls off all the babies. And it would significantly reduce prostate cancer and male pattern baldness.
        So, there’s that.

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          Also, cutting off heads would result in a 100% reduction in migraines.

          • TKW

            And reduce the number of stupid people in the world too!

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        That is an oft-repeated bogus argument. It’s just not true, or at least not scientifically demonstrated.

        From the CDC:
        “A meta-analysis of data from fifteen observational studies of men who have sex with men found “insufficient evidence that male circumcision protects against HIV infection or other STIs.”[7]
        The CDC concludes “There are as yet no convincing data to help
        determine whether male circumcision will have any effect on HIV risk for men who engage in anal sex with either a female or male partner, as either the insertive or receptive partner.”

        • KCMC

          seems like I heard report that was focused only on straight African men and infection rates

        • fuow

          Study was on female/male vaginal sex.

      • fuow

        They do. The intactivists don’t care – they’d rather see an effective means to cut HiV transmission not used than to admit they’re being hysterical.

        • vorpal

          Why stop at the foreskin? Cut off the whole penis, and I can guarantee pretty much a zero rate of sexually transmitted HIV infection.

        • Cutting men INcreases the risk to women, who are already at much greater risk. This campaign is already being shown to backfire.

        • Jason Drew

          Intactivists care enough to actually read the scientific studies carefully in detail to properly understand them (have you?) and not just believe the pro cutter headline deceits. Condoms, monogamy or abstinence prevent sexually transmitted HIV far better than cutting up genitalia ever could.

      • Boitje

        No, we’ve been waiting nearly 10 years since the 3 randomized controlled trials (with poor methodology) indicated that voluntary adult circumcision should relatively reduce female-to-male HIV transmission by up to 60%. So far, nothing remotely like that has been seen, despite millions of men having submitted to circumcision over the past decade. Of course; the trials were a farce.

        No studies have ever shown that infant circumcision reduces the risk of HIV transmission to men or women. For all we know, it might increase the risk. If that were true, the US would have several times the heterosexual HIV rate vs Western European countries. Oh, wait…

      • M Lyndon

        Male circumcision is a dangerous distraction in the fight against HIV/AIDS.

        From a USAID report:
        “There appears no clear pattern of association between male circumcision and HIV prevalence—in 8 of 18 countries with data, HIV prevalence is lower among circumcised men, while in the remaining 10 countries it is higher.”
        http://www.measuredhs.com/pubs/pdf/CR22/CR22.pdf
        (this will include men who were circumcised tribally rather than medically, but they and their partners may also believe themselves to be protected, and the whole rationale for the RCT’s into female-to-male transmission was a purported correlation between high rates of male circumcision and low rates of HIV)

        It seems highly unrealistic to expect that there will be no risk compensation. The South African National Communication Survey on HIV/AIDS, 2009 found that 15% of adults across age groups “believe that circumcised men do not need to use condoms”. This figure seems to have been unchanged in 2012.
        http://www.info.gov.za/issues/hiv/survey_2009.htm
        http://www.hst.org.za/sites/default/files/ZANationalHIVCommunicationSurvey2012.pdf
        http://jhhesa.org/sites/default/files/hiv_survey.pdf

        It is unclear if circumcised men are more likely to infect women. The only ever randomized controlled trial into male-to-female transmission showed a 54% higher rate in the group where the men had been circumcised:
        http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)60998-3/abstract

        ABC (Abstinence, Being faithful, and especially Condoms) is the way forward. Promoting genital surgery seems likely to cost African lives rather than save them.

        Europeans don’t circumcise, South Americans don’t circumcise, Australians and New Zealanders used to circumcise but stopped, and less than half of North Americans circumcise. Why should Africans circumcise?

        Recent news from Botswana:
        “There is an upsurge of cases of people who got infected with HIV following circumcision.”
        http://www.gabzfm.com/circumcised-men-still-run-risk-hiv-infection

        and from Zimbabwe:
        “SOME circumcised men are contracting HIV and Aids after ditching the use of condoms, under a misguided belief that male circumcision (MC) would prevent them from getting infected”
        http://www.thestandard.co.zw/2013/11/10/circumcised-men-indulge-risky-sexual-behaviour/

        and from Kenya:
        “Push for male circumcision in Nyanza fails to reduce infections”
        http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000093293&story_title=push-for-male-circumcision-in-nyanza-fails-to-reduce-infections

        and from Uganda:
        “A new study of 314 female s-x workers (FSWs) in Makindye division found that more than half of respondents falsely believe that once a man is circumcised, protection is not necessary during s-x.”
        http://www.observer.ug/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=33658

        and from Malawi:
        “According to the report, HIV rates have doubled in Malawi moving from 10% to 20% in 1 year. Strangely, this has been the same period that Malawians have been manipulatively forced to go through circumcision in masses with the promise that it reduces the contraction of HIV.”
        http://malawi24.com/2015/08/04/circumcision-disaster-malawi-hiv-infection-rate-doubles/

      • Jason Drew

        Even if it were true. Would you cut your kids legs off so he can’t run into the road? Think how many lives it could save? We don’t totally need legs. No, there are better ways to protect people from things than chopping organs off. The foreskin is a multifunction organ

    • NZArtist

      In this thread we’ve achieved ‘Bingo’ several times!
      Even those of use who have no foreskins achieved ‘Bingo’ and they swear it was every bit as pleasurable as those of us with foreskins.

  • KCMC

    silly man, Muslims circumcise, as well. It’s an Abrahamic thing.

    • Capritaur

      But it’s fashionable to hate on the Muslims, yet gauche to hate on the Jews among Beck’s circle.

      • freelancewriternyc

        So because of infant circumcision one is supposed to hate Jews?

        • Capritaur

          No, because Beck based his ridicule on the fallacious argument of “the activists hate circumcisions, Jews circumcise, ergo the activists hate Jews.” Painting the activists as Jew haters is effective at turning his listeners against the activists, while painting them as Muslim haters would not have the same effect, the fact that both groups have high prevalence of circumcisions notwithstanding.

          Given that most American men are circumcised, I’m surprised he didn’t call it an attack on the American way of life.

          • freelancewriternyc

            It was the way your phrased it. I got it.

          • Dr Edgar Schoen tried to tell some Berkeley students that male genital cutting was the American thing to do. They laughed at him.

  • Robert Adams

    Nothing proves your love for god more than mutilating a child.

    • Todd20036

      My parents justified by saying it’s God’s way of recognizing who is Jewish. I kid you not.
      Personally, I think it’s stupid, though I have no problems with my dick.

      • romanhans

        I learned years and years ago if you want to be mercilessly attacked and accused of anti-Semitism on the internet, write that there’s something wrong with cutting off parts newborn children. I kid you not.

        • yachty

          Considering 80% of white males in the USA are circumcised your argument is all anti B.S.! 🙂

          • Jason Drew

            I think you are probably the only person in the Galaxy who understood your last comment.

        • Right that use word Semitic as if speaking for ALL the tribes. Preposterous. Anti-Judaic is on point.

      • Robert Adams

        God does seem to have a problem recognizing his people. His angel needed lamb’s blood over the doors of the Jews so as not to get confused that night he killed all the first born in Egypt.

        You would think a being who knows everything would remember things.

        Me, I never bought the angel of death story. I just assumed it was the work of an early version of Mossad.

        • another_steve

          It’s always been apparent to me that god suffers from mild dementia.

          I mean, really…who mixes blue and green like that, like on some flowers?

          • Brian Burleson

            😉

      • Huh. Since I’m circumcised and not Jewish, that method may not work too well.

        • Reality.Bites

          Indeed the overwhelming majority of circumcised men aren’t Jewish

          • fyi

            exactly, i am also circumcised and not Jewish. and, sadly, in all my 42 years on earth i have never even seen an uncut penis in real life. i am from the south if that means anything.

          • Nic Peterson

            Go to Miami young Jedi. There you will find prime examples.

          • Brian Burleson

            Mexico, Italy, The Netherlands, Germany… (my limited traveling experience)

          • yachty

            Spiks all day long…….Miami isn’t even America anymore.

          • Brian Burleson

            I will probably catch hell about this but guys either tend to love or hate uncut penises. Out of the limited number of conversations that I’ve had with gay male friends, few are indifferent.

          • Jason Drew

            Uncut? Are you undead?

          • yachty

            Uncut is disgusting…….

          • Jason Drew

            I agree; words like intact, whole or natural are more accurate and don’t carry an assumption that something hasn’t been done yet.

          • Jason Drew

            Uncut? Are you undead?

          • yachty

            Same as uncircumcised…..not really a proper American penis.

          • You need to know there’s PENIS and there’s circumcised penis. That’s it. To be clear PENIS came first. Circumcised is second. Unless your a history revisionist.

          • yachty

            No it is circumcised and uncircumcised.

          • Uncircumcised is a made up Bible word to insult those with foreskin fun. Really sick insult to conjure the guys penis as PENIS+KNIFE. Let’s turn the tables on you and say your are Unforeskined.

          • Jason Drew

            What a great idea. It’s something knew and easy to understand.

          • yachty

            No, you are uncircumcised and disgusting, filthy with an ugly penis!

          • Uncircumcised, meaning as in undid circumcision by growing replicated cells to protect and comfort my glans, so now it looks like me, instead of the Slave Collar scarification resulting from the gross abuse of self serving doctors and their attending lawyers and judges. But what’s with NAMES. I’m glad you think my penis is ugly. We would have a problem if you were attracted. As God said, I’ll show you my backside as you look up between my legs take notice. Word up: acroposthion/akroposthion (neck of the foreskin) so you refine and expand you disgust.

          • Jason Drew

            You’ve never knowingly been near one. How would you know?

          • yachty

            Why would I be near an uncircumcised penis?

          • yachty

            I am totally happy to be unforeskinned………

          • Jason Drew

            I have never heard anyone where I live say they are uncircumcised.

          • yachty

            I never knew any uncircumcised guy.Every guy I know is circumcised

          • Correction: Restored Foreskin is third type of penis. (The Yemen Circumcision coiuld be classified as Fourth type of penis because all the penile skin and mucosa is cut off except the mucosa covering the glans. (see circumstitions Yemen)

          • Keep to the coasts where the ships come in and the surf is up. Aye, there’s the rub and sniff of man musk. Foreskin Pheromones I’ll never forget. Maybe you’ll be super lucky to see the red flash blinking by the pull of black skin. Amazing.

          • yachty

            You sleep with blacks? Even more disgusting!

          • Librarykid

            Precisely the idea of the Jewish doctors in America. In Europe, most of the cut men were historically Jewish and easily obvious to the Anti-Semites. They decided that in this country, they would do their damnedest to keep that from happening here by circing baby boys routinely and without parental permission. The Victorian obsession with preventing masturbation helped this cause a lot, too.

        • Jodie

          Exactly. My nephew was snipped, and his parents are far from religious.

          • Please don’t say “snipped”
            * With a Gomco, Winkelman or Mogen Clamp, or a traditional barzel, it’s sliced – and a Mogen may slice more than just the foreskin, which has led to successful claims worth millions and the Mogen company going out of business.
            * With a Plastibell or PrePex it’s crushed and allowed to die (14/15 men circumcised with a PrePex complained of pain, and the smell of rotting foreskin was also an issue).
            * With an Accu-circ it’s chopped.
            – but never “snipped”. Watch any of the many videos of it being done
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1kSx4TkuRo
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXVFFI76ff0&t=3m25s
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDuDhkiDdns or
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra5t0OsmWf0
            and you’ll never say “snipped” again.

          • Jason Drew

            Circ is truly Satanic.

          • yachty

            Being uncut is disgusting………..

          • Jason Drew

            Disgusting is fun.

          • yachty

            So Eurotrash……

          • San Francisco Castrotrash here. Are you still interested?

          • yachty

            San Francisco is a disgusting hell hole. Liberal trash……

          • Jason Drew

            I thought you Americans liked liberty?

          • yachty

            Liberal is socialism….not liberty.

          • yachty

            I am voting for Trump!!!!

          • Jason Drew

            Trump?!!! Jesus preached against greed and violence. lol

          • yachty

            Screw Jesus! Greed is good!

          • yachty

            For disgusting pervs….

          • yachty

            Get over it….you aren’t American and my 3 boys are snipped. No big deal, I was with all three when they were snipped.

          • Jason Drew

            It’s never a snip.

          • yachty

            Ok, a simple slice……no big deal! 🙂

          • Jason Drew

            Pedos are attracted to do that as a career.

          • Yes, but they suck at their jobs.

          • yachty

            BS……Hell he has even done them for Disney Executives who had their boys circumcised at DisneyLand…….

          • Jason Drew

            That all depends which method is used. Do you know which methods were used on you and your children? A lot of parents don’t bother to ask about anything to do with the entire procedure. There’s only one method used in the States that involves one slice for the cut. Can you name it?

          • yachty

            Considering we were all done by Mohels you figure it out……my boys Mohel is a good friend and crews on my racing sailboat (J 105)

          • Jason Drew

            In which case it was not just a slice. Look it up.

          • There is an oversized v-cut pliers for clitoris as was done into the 1970’s here USA that Blue Cross would pay.

          • Jason Drew

            Truly sick as hell and mad.

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      • vorpal

        I always wondered what they did with that mountain of foreskins.
        Make a leather jacket that gets larger when you rub it?

        • jmax

          And becomes a scarf in cold weather?

        • Capritaur

          I don’t know if it’s true, but when I studied classics in college, my professor told us the ancient Greek wore the circumcised foreskin of Jews as ball rings during exercises.

          • He was pulling your, um, leg.

          • RicardoD Diaz

            Better to pull leg than “hand” or “foot” (in the biblical sense), those body parts most often sought so that one may “know” another.

          • vorpal

            When it comes to their own genitals or the genitals of others, people are so weird that nothing could surprise me by this point.

        • yachty

          Anti-Semitism cream and skin for burn victims. Actually the UK is the largest buyer of American foreskins, they use them for an injectable anti wrinkle serum.

          • Jason Drew

            Evidence?

          • yachty

            Of what? Oprah and Barbara Walters are huge fans of the cream.

          • Jason Drew

            Yeh, both Americans living in America.

          • yachty

            Being American is the best……who wants to be Eurotrash?

          • Jason Drew

            We are not in the Euro. 🙂

          • yachty

            You are not American…..

          • Jason Drew

            Euro is not American, either. What’s your point?

          • yachty

            What FU country do you hail from….it isn’t the USA!

          • Jason Drew

            So…what?

          • vorpal

            Look at his other comments on here.
            He’s a racist piece of American Exceptionalism trash.
            I’m a Canadian / American living in Chile for work, and he called me a “spik.”

          • yachty

            Yes…. .proud white American.

          • yachty

            So Australian or New Zealand

          • Jason Drew

            Circumcision is not American, either. It’s only been popular there for a mere 2 generations. Your founding fathers would turn in their graves.

          • yachty

            Since 1900 is hardly 2 generations…

          • Jason Drew

            It was being done then and encouraged by pervs but it wasn’t popular.

          • yachty

            Dude, I have never known any uncircumcised guy…..

          • Jason Drew

            If you’ve never been with an intact guy who’s fault is that?

          • yachty

            Why would I be with an uncircumcised male?

          • yachty

            The military still circumcises uncircumcised recruits.

          • Not the USA military, in fact military doctors commend those not cutting. You know “Be all that you can be!”

          • Jason Drew

            I didn’t think that was true with the US military any more. More wishful thinking from you know who, who once again, hoped, guessed, and was wrong.

          • yachty

            Incorrect……the military will have you circumcised recruits are the same…..And in the middle east itis even.cleaner than here.

          • This subject is my specialty and by your arrogance

            means you’re not really sure. Yes there was a push to circumcise from WWII. Circumcision is all about power, over others. For if you control the man’s sex, you then control the man. It makes him more compliant and uneasy with an underlying disquiet of feeling angry yet not knowing why. General George Patton recognized this and helped usher it in. HBe was an

          • yachty

            Considering I was a Lieutenant in the Navy for 6 years and was in the medical field I can assure you they still circumcise uncircumcised recruits! That is a fact Jack!

          • yachty

            Dude,
            You are another uncircumcised freak that feels the odd man out and wants think circumcised is abnormal…..while Uncircumcised in the USA is ABNORMAL!

          • You are wrong. I AM circd. CircuMutilated to be exact.Odd man? Being a “man” and from 21yo on can not have a stand up hard erection anymore is “odd”. But this can happen to those who get cut not as an infant apparently. Half the penile venous system is cut out creating back pressure. As soon as I get hard, I then feel a start of blood moving out. I’m gay so I’m jaded to words like ‘normal & ‘abnormal’. There is no normalcy in the USA as rates are about equal. Then there’s the growing trend to *restore one’s foreskin (me) so rates will appear to be even more intact. (* say did you like my photo by 1,000BodiesProject.com? View at iqvixen Frankly Speaking.)

          • Jason Drew

            About once a month I see someone give another reason I’ve not heard before or say something with no basis in reality or logic at all. What makes the Middle East cleaner than where you live?

          • yachty

            No idea where that came from….

          • yachty

            Be filthy like an illegal Mexican!

          • vorpal

            Oh man… you really are a vile piece of garbage.
            Do the world a favour and circumcise your head from your neck.

          • yachty
          • Jason Drew

            That link doesn’t say anything about the UK being the largest buyer at all. It’s a low brow magazine, anyway.

          • yachty

            Google it….they make an injectable anti-wrinkle serum made of foreskins.

          • yachty
          • Jason Drew

            That’s not the only company that makes anti wrinkle cream cream with foreskins, there’s quite a few of them. Goolie it and look where they’re made, approved and sold.

          • yachty

            But the UK makes the injectable.

          • Nonsense.

          • Jason Drew

            What is your mutilated brain going on about?

        • yachty

          Anti wrinkle cream…..look it up. Oprah swears by it, runs $140 an oz………

        • yachty

          Anti wrinkle cream……

    • MonochromeMouse

      i’ll just leave this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw8nc48agJk

    • IntactivismIsProSemitic

      God is an English word. A mistranslation. The correct translation of the being who commands others to torture a child is SATAN. Circumcision is an enduring ancient SATANIC, BARBARIC, DEMONIC ritual. Circumcision is religion severed from spirituality. A Creator is benevolent. A Creator nurtures and protects children from harm. A divine being of love will always and forever condemn violence, never command it. Our religious texts are full of deceptions. Trust the spirituality within yourself. Respect consent. Distrust violence. Distrust those who command you to commit violence. Disobey authority. Join the rebel alliance. Feel the divinity within yourself. Answer its demand to nurture love. Let’s ascend towards apotheosis.

      • J Ascher

        That sounds similar to gnostic beliefs: the real God is not the one who rules this world.

      • yachty

        Kabbalah teaches that by circumcision we perfect what he left imperfect….becoming a co-creator with him.

        • vorpal

          So you admit that your imaginary god is deeply flawed. If he can’t even build a penis “perfect”, then what chance does he have of getting much else right?

        • Right to enter up the leg upon God. To see God in every mutilated bared glans. The mystical sexually bent part of Judaic religion. Well. which is it, to perfect, to prune the bush, to uncloak to see and receive God, to wear the Yoke of Burden, to bear to sacrifice? And how does this apply to the original Covenant Genesis 15? Covenant – to cut a contract in blood by the halving of valued animals. As was the common way of doing business and marriages. Halved animals left and right the middle their blood forms the path that those entering the contract walk. Meaning to represent, may I too be halved should I break this contract.

      • Rebel yes. Acroposthion yes, longer the better.

    • yachty

      It is perfecting the imperfect…….being uncircumcised is disgusting.

      • Robert Adams

        “Disgusting” is like “Beautiful”, a value judgement, and therefore in the eye of the beholder. Because you think something is disgusting or beautiful does not make it so.

        Vegetarians find eating meat disgusting. I’ll take my steak medium-rare.

        • yachty

          I don’t eat meat or have uncircumcised sons

          • Jason Drew

            In future you should refer to yourself as unfemale.

          • yachty

            Unfemale?

          • Brilliant.

          • yachty

            Dude, I am a male in Newport Beach, CA.and Annapolis, MD.

      • As in heathens are disgusting?

        • yachty

          No, only Muslims……Trump 2016.

          • If you want to spread circumcision, then you want to vote Democrat. Trump won’t be funding genital cutting like Obama’s current PEPFAR. A waste of money. You want Hillary the man hater who loves her job declaring she will be circumcising 28 million men in Africa.

          • Jason Drew

            Circum-fiend Hilary is not the only Democrat to choose from.

          • yachty

            We sure don’t need Bernie…..socialist POS…..we have enough damage from the black Muslim POS.

          • Jason Drew

            The US medical system is the most financially inefficient on Earth for it’s consumers partly because of all the unnecessary procedures they like to lie to you that you need in order to steal your money. Your medics are even told in medical college that these procedures are necessary by some of the rogues who run the colleges and the rogues who help to fund them.

          • Jason Drew

            Then there’s the extra costs that private healthcare almost always throws up to make even more money for itself…

          • Jason Drew

            Then there’s the fear in some hospitals and medics of not doing the procedures in case someone sues if a procedure might have prevented something, even if the that something’s likelihood of happening was slight. This threat comes mainly from greedy lawyers and ambulance chasers.

          • Jason Drew

            Trump is one of the world’s biggest nut jobs. Sure, he knows how to sell an idea just like a snake oil salesman does, and fools buy it. He’s also selling himself on the false virtue of greed, which causes chaos in its wake and is in fact, a vice.

          • yachty

            He will be president…..wall on the Mexican border, get rid of illegals and stop the Muslim invasion.

          • Jason Drew

            There’s chance Trump will push to make it legal for a man to rape his wife again or insist on sex when he feels like it, or, if it is legal in some States, he won’t be trying to change that anytime soon.

          • yachty

            Considering Trump (his daughter converted to Orthodox Judaism) just held his Grandson during his Bris means he is not anti-circumcision. I could careless what the poor do! Have your insurance or pay out of pocket. Don’t spend tax money on those people!

          • Jason Drew

            It’s ‘couldn’t care less’. Think about what that means compared to what you put. BTW, you are a brilliant advocate for the circumciser’s mentality.

          • yachty

            I am with Glen Beck and think all the antis a nut jobs and anti Semites.

          • Jason Drew

            I don’t understand why you American men let so many of your women shame you by telling you your natural whole male bodies are dirty so you need the best part of your dicks cut off to be clean and why you let them treat you that way. Why don’t you men grow some?

          • yachty

            A foreskin is disgusting. Women have the right to healthy sex. My wife’s sister threw a bf out when she discovered that he was uncircumcised.

          • Jason Drew

            Much of your your medical system and above are more to blame in perpetuating the nonsense, along with the puritanical quacks of your country’s past and the sex hating religions it follows along with the snake oil salesmen who still stalk your hospitals and the corrupt money greedy organisations who feed them. Although your women mock and feel disgust for things they’ve never seen they’re only believing the bull they’re fed by the self serving rogues in the above mentioned groups and organisations.

          • Jason Drew

            As for the anti-semite slur we intactivists don’t want any harm to come to any semitic people; that’s the point.

          • yachty

            Thank you Jason….my phone changes things when I don’t watch…..

          • Jason Drew

            You clearly don’t watch a lot of things.

    • and servants, slaves, and captive enemies.

    • yachty

      It is perfecting a boy…..

  • ben-andy

    I have a friend who was raised Jewish. He became a Buddhist. He married an Irish-American Catholic gal. They worked really hard to have a baby, using all sorts of medical intervention. They had one child, a boy, who has a bit of autism and a bit more of hyper-concerned parenting. He has turned out pretty well, though at 13, he’s getting unexpected boners and can’t wear tight jeans.

    When I was talking to my friend about NOT having his son circumcised just after birth [whether by a doctor or a moyl] his two main arguments came down to “I want my son to look like me” and “it is important to my dad”. I asked him if his son ended up with a penis from his wife’s side of the family if he’d recognize it [he said that would be a no] and what his father’s most famous cooking creation was, the only thing I’d ever heard of him cooking and hearing that it was a family favorite for years and years. That answer was “Velvet Shrimp”.

    So, Dylan isn’t circumcised. He might yet decide to do that when he gets older based on his mixed Jewish/Catholic Guilt upbringing. Religion is religion and if you point out to people that they regularly pick and choose what they observe and do not, they might still do stupid things to their children, but they might just decide to put off that decision long enough to give reason a chance. And besides, now that boners are happening, having that extra skin will probably cum in handsy.

    • Reasoning101

      Might, even though Roman Catholic doctrine specifically opposes circumcision of children or adults unless there is a medical diagnosis of something wrong and no more conservative treatment option available.

  • TheSpinMonkey

    What??? I have no issue with parents who wish to circumcise their child!

    • Robert Adams

      Or brainwash them with the rest of their religious hooey?

    • NZArtist

      I don’t even mind parents who want to cut off their children’s toes! So I’m better than you!

    • Todd20036

      Does the kid get a say into what his dick will look like?

  • NZArtist

    I really hope it screams and wriggles, then bleeds all over the bed. Or somehow I’ll feel cheated:

    http://www.amazon.com/Nasco-LF00904U-Infant-Circumcision-Trainer/dp/B0083Y0W26/ref=pd_sbs_lg_4

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Okay, that’s definitely a finalist for the Creepiest Product Of The Year Award.

  • oikos
  • Amy

    People laugh this movement off because they are scared to admit that they were physically and sexually violated by the very people who were supposed to love and protect them. And every time they look at their penis and see that scar, the are reminded of how their own parents actually robbed them of ever knowing what normal sex feels like.

    • Robert Adams

      Just another attempt to get their child in good with a god who loves them so much he will punish them for all eternity for failure to follow his rules.

    • sfrugger

      Well said, Amy!

  • Sam_Handwich

    o/t but some may be interested

    good twitter feed to follow for the sentencing

    https://twitter.com/julieshawphilly/status/696780909060747264

    • zhera

      Shit, is that today?

  • NZArtist

    So, the USA is up somewhere around 90% male baby mutilation.
    New Zealand is down below 20% male baby mutilation.
    Still got some work to do here…

    • Still? I thought that started dying out in the 80s.

      • It did, but it’s taking a long time. Some insecure people like Edgar Schoen got alarmed and have benn working like demons in high places to stem the tide. The Intactivism movement is growing much faster, and will win eventually.

    • Octavio

      Yeah. And you’re a new-ku-lar free zone, damnit! Time you backwards people living upside down on this planet got with it. It’s the 21st Century ya know! /s

      • NZArtist

        We just signed the TPPA here so we’ve basically said your corporations are now free to rape us and set our government policies. You can be assured we’ll be as nukular as you any day now.

        • Octavio

          I foresee genetically modified Kiwi birds in florescent colors being imported to the USA any day now. Pet stores are waiting.

    • The number of non-religious, non-cultural (Pasifika) male genital cutting is residual here. Our main work is with Pasifika, and the ironic thing is that they only did a dorsal slit before the missionaries got to them. One of their words for it, pelitome, is from the Greek! (peri – around, tome- cut)

  • pickypecker

    ..

    • Octavio

      Hell, I might want it some day (once he’s turned 21, of course). 🙂

    • yachty

      All anti B.S…….Cute little Gook

  • fuow

    I was not circumcised as a baby.
    Things were always tight, hit a late growth spurt, things got painful.
    Had the blasted foreskin removed.
    So – I was sexually active with one and without one and you know what?
    It’s total, complete, utter bullshit from beginning to end.
    Felt great with it, feels great without it.
    Total, utter, absolute whinging on about nothing.

    • Robert Adams

      At least you got to decide.

      • fuow

        Yeah, well, the tears and bleeding and pain pretty much decided for me.
        This is such a fucking non-issue. It’s just part of the poor me, poor me, pour me another glass of whine micro-aggression, ‘my mommy was mean to me as a baby’ shit.
        People need to grow up and get a life. The natural range of foreskins is from as good as none to hangs to your knees. Same stupidity as those prissy queens who get their panties in a bunch about guys who have gallons of pre-cum.
        And, yes, a lot of it is pure anti-Semitic hatred.

        • BobSF_94117

          What decided it for you was medical necessity. Yet you seem to object to those who say only medical necessity should justify it. Given the risk of bad outcomes, I don’t see why healthy baby boys should be subjected to circumcision until they need/want it.

          Personally, I think the intactivists should just recognize a religious purpose and focus on the rest of the population.

          • fuow

            I object to the hysterical elevation of an extraordinarily small issue to a major clusterfuck of a fight. We have these here every few months and the bad feelings go on for a long time afterwards.
            I am in the position of having been sexually active both with and without and am therefore entitled to speak truth to the bullshit the intactivists spew.
            Parents make decisions for their children all the time. I oppose female genital mutilation. It’s not mutilation when done for a boy baby.
            Christ on crutches, people need to get a fucking life. This is just not worth the bullshit and hysterical drama.

          • NZArtist

            … and yet here you are, going on about your experience…

          • BobSF_94117

            I object to the hysterical elevation of an extraordinarily small issue to a major clusterfuck of a fight.

            Yes, I can tell that by your calm demeanor and level-headed commentary…

          • zhera

            So what’s the difference between male and female circumcision? Why is one bad and the other good?

            Women can have good sex without the use of the clitoris, and it’s not like it’s a vital body part for survival. Why shouldn’t parents be allowed to make that decision for their daughters?

            ^That^, fuow, is YOUR argument turned on its head. You’ll probably never admit it, but it’s the truth.

            Human rights are for babies, too. And that include not having their body mutilated for no good reason.

          • freelancewriternyc

            It’s only on this site. Most gay men don’t give a hoot about this issue.

        • Mark

          and we also have that group of parents who aren’t in such a favorable light who refuse to get their babies vaccinated.

        • i am not a man and do not have a penis. i am not an anti-Semite. i think you are missing the point. it’s really crazy for anyone to say FGM is wrong, but cutting babies boys is totally OK even if the parent is not some religious observant freak.

        • Robert Adams

          Opposing mutilation is not an anti-any religion stance. The Bible calls for a lot of death penalties, as does the Koran. Opposing the death penalty is NOT anti Semitic or anti-Muslim.

        • IntactivismIsProsemitic

          Circumcision pre-dates Judaism. Those who are opposed to forced circumcision are not singling out Jews for special treatment. In fact we are expanding human rights to Jews by recognizing that all people regardless of age, gender, sex, race, ethnicity, or religious identiy have the right to bodily autonomy. We have a duty to protect that all children, including those children of Jews, from unnecessary harm.

    • NZArtist

      And I have a generous foreskin and have all manner of fun with it.
      So my experience is more valid than yours.
      Therefore we should cut bits of babies because it’s a non-issue. Got it.

      • fuow

        Yeah, that’s really a valid and sound argument you’ve got going there.

        • NZArtist

          We’re not talking about whether cut or uncut dicks are better sexually. We’re talking about whether parents have the right to mutilate their children at birth.
          As I say, personally and for me, my foreskin is a great source of entertainment. I’m fortunate to live in a country where the convention isn’t to mutilate babies at birth.
          If I wanted, I could go to a surgeon tomorrow and have my dick modified any way I want. I’m an adult – it’s my choice.
          But who give you the right to make that decision for your child? What if you don’t like little toes? Is it acceptable to mutilate their feet?
          Parents shouldn’t have the right to do cosmetic body modifications on their children. It’s kinda sick.

          • fuow

            If we were discussing female genital mutilation, yes, it would be sick.
            We’re not talking about that.
            Oh, and the whole ‘tube in a tube’ thingy is bullshit.
            My husband is uncut and I very much enjoy his foreskin. Would I reject him if he were cut? Hell no.
            Of all the stupid things to get upset about, this one ranks up there with the dumbest of the micro-aggressions and ‘bullying’ arguments.

          • NZArtist

            You’re not reading my replies! It’s not about the sex, it’s not about the penis. It’s about mutilating children for no sane reason.
            The reason I change the discussion to taking off toes is to get it away from the sex/penis thing which so many people are hung up about.
            I get it, you like you cock. Good for you. I like mine.
            Now, back to the discussion about mutilating babies…

          • vorpal

            Why do you get to draw the arbitrary line between saying that male circumcision is acceptable, but female circumcision isn’t?

            I say leave the genitals of all babies alone.

          • IntactivismIsProsemitic

            fuow, I asked before, and I will ask again. Can you define genital mutilation in a way that is not gynocentric? A way that is not sexist? A way that includes all the rainbow variations of intersex people?

    • pj

      you had a choice…most of us didnt

    • freelancewriternyc

      Were you diagnosed with phimosis? That’s painful erections caused by foreskin, cured by circumcision. Relatively rare condition.

      • M Lyndon

        In Europe, it would be treated with stretching, steroid creams, or preputioplasty, with circumcision as a last resort.

      • IntactivismIsProsemitic

        What about people who have so much skin cut off their penis that it cannot accommodate a the size of the penile shaft when it is fully engorged with blood? Can you imagine what a mind-fuck that would be to experience pain instead of pleasure whenever you are sexually aroused?

        Phimosis does not necessarily imply that erections are painful. It only means that the foreskin cannot be retracted because it is too narrow. In 80% of cases the opening can be widened to cure the condition. Even if those treatments don’t work, there is still no need to circumcise unless the patient wants to for their own personal reasons. Phimosis alone is not a medical indication for circumcision. Many decide the loss of sexual pleasure is not worth any potential benefit. Phimosis is not a disease and circumcision is not its “cure”.

  • Mark

    I’ve always found it interesting that the distinctions are “cut” and “un-cut”. It’s kind of like “believer” vs “non-believer” in that the “un/non” side is presented as lacking, or not as good as.

    • NZArtist

      No, it’s more that parents got to mutilate their children and make that decision for them.
      Say what you will, I have a foreskin and I have lots of fun with it.
      Just because I could be as happy in life without the little toes on my feet doesn’t mean it’s not an issue if my parents had cut my toes off at birth.

      • fuow

        If I indulged in junior-high debate club terms, I’d call that a straw-man argument and special pleading.
        You like your foreskin. Fine.
        I enjoyed mine (for a while) but my sex life without it is every single bit as good as it was with it – and I was a very happy and normal teenager.
        Sheesh. Aren’t there any real problems in this world?

        • NZArtist

          See below. How do you feel about parents doing unnecessary body modifications on their children?
          People have fantastic lives without their little toes. How do you feel about parents deciding their children could wear more designer shoes without their little toes?
          It’s not about sex, it’s not about penises. It’s about mutilating children for no sane reason.

        • Spongebob CrankyPants

          “I enjoyed mine (for a while) but my sex life without it is every single bit as good as it was with it – and I was a very happy and normal teenager” That’s YOU and YOUR experience. Others may have a different experience.

          • fuow

            Oh? Not heard any arguments from any man here who was cut after he’d become sexually active which differed materially from mine.
            I enjoyed my foreskin, I don’t miss it.
            That’s pretty much what every single one of those of us who are actually in a position to speak to the matter at hand have had to say. If a sizable portion (believably) argues otherwise, I’ll reconsider the possibility that I’m special.

          • NZArtist

            When you masturbate, do you need to use lube?

          • fuow

            I’m one of those guys who make enough pre-cum (as does my husband) we don’t even need extra lube to fuck, much less masturbate.

          • NZArtist

            Alas, I’m not (or I don’t find you sexually arousing enough… 😉 )
            Even after hours of foreplay, best I can do is a few drops.
            Consider that your experience is not universal.
            I fully understand and appreciate you find your cock in every way as stimulating and functional cut as un-cut. I get that.
            Consider the possibility that others may not, and that still others may, but would like to have made the choice for themselves.

          • BobSF_94117

            “Every single one of you” would have to include the small percentage of boys who are damaged by circumcision, no? I bet they’d prefer a working penis, having a penis at all, or being alive to give you their opinion.

          • Spongebob CrankyPants

            Are you thick??? What is so hard to understand that each individual person will have a unique experience. Sure, some people will have more or less the same experience, but the point is not all will share they same experience.
            You’ve stated over and over again that you don’t miss your foreskin. Fine.

            “That’s pretty much what every single one of those of us who are actually
            in a position to speak to the matter at hand have had to say” ROFLMAO. So how many of you are there? Got some numbers????

          • M Lyndon

            Here are three people with different views:

            Adult film star Rocco Siffredi (the “Italian Stallion”) called his decision “catastrophic” and that being intact “you can feel much more fun”.

            Adult film star Erik Rhodes:
            “So to answer the question, after getting all that out… yes i do regret it. I should have just looked for other options before letting some crazy asshole take a knife to my dick and yes i have lost sensitivity. It’s just not the same.”

            regular guy Nick Kusturis
            “After the circumcision I felt nothing, no sensation at all. I knew something wasn’t right, but I just thought if I waited, everything would get back to normal. So I waited, I was in denial for the longest time. One day it just hit me that this was not going to change.”
            (search for “Circumcised at 18” on YouTube to hear his story)

            Kim and Pang 2006 studied 255 men circumcised as adults and found that:
            “About 6% answered that their sex lives improved, while
            20% reported a worse sex life after circumcision.”

          • Jason Drew

            I’ve heard enough about your penis and how, therefore, intactivism is pointless. Do you have any views on child torture? (campaigning against it is another part of intactivism / anti-circ.

        • Boitje

          Guys cut after puberty and guys cut as newborns are as different as apples and oranges. The majority of penile sensory and mucosal surface development occurs between birth and puberty. To cut a male past puberty, you basically sever differentiated tissue that amounts to, on average, 25% of the penile skin. To circumcise a newborn, a doctor has to insert a probe to rip apart the fused, undeveloped foreskin and glans. This damages the glans and turns it into a lifelong scar, and halts much of the penis’s neurological development. Infant circumcision removes on average 51% of the skin of the penis, according to the British Journal of Urology, and almost always removes the frenulum. Post-puberty circumcisions seldom also take the frenulum, unless requested. That makes a big difference to orgasm.

          I’ve met a few intact guys who said their foreskin adds nothing and they wouldn’t care either way if they were cut. Once upon a time I was sort of in that camp. When I was around 30 I discovered new ways to use my foreskin and boom! That’s when I realized it is the hidden sensory center of the penis. I’ve shown dozens of uncut guys what their foreskins can do and it’s totally changed their approach to sex. They went from neutral or liking their foreskin to seeing it as integral to sex. I know that sex without foreskin & frenulum is missing a big part of the enjoyment for both of us. Penis parts aren’t optional. Why not cut off the head?

        • Jason Drew

          The intactivists are mainly against child torture and un-consented amputation. That’s not an issue to ignore.

          • yachty

            Most are uncircumcised gays…..

          • Jason Drew

            The word is ‘intact’.

        • Jason Drew

          What ‘real problems in this world’ are you dealing with?

      • Mark

        OTH – hospitals don’t make money not doing circs. Add that new parents are often fed the ‘disease and death’ sales pitch by people they want to trust.

    • Capritaur

      We certainly don’t want to go by “intact / mutilated” either. How about “original / chiffonade”?

    • That’s why we say “intact” or “whole” or “natural”.

  • Adam Stolfi

    Guess it wouldn’t occur to Glenn Beck that anti-circumcision sentiment would as much be anti-Muslim. Right, because then he would be inclined to support it.

  • Cuberly

    Just an FYI-recently Beck went on a unhinged rant about how his “show” is in jeopardy and he may need to relocate to Jerusalem in order to continue to broadcast. Oh, and recommended reading the Left Behind series of books to his kids. So they “learn” what’s coming!

    He’s been on a major end-times jag lately. Even proclaiming that if Ted Cruz doesn’t win the nomination the country is doomed. Which is weird because isn’t that what he wants to have happen? So confusing.

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/glenn-beck-readies-read-his-children-left-behind-and-move-operations-israel-preparation-loom

  • Kelly Lape

    For Gentiles circumcision is a decision made of laziness. “It’s easier to clean” – what a bullshit lazy reason to mutilate a child. Yes mutilate, the head of the Penis contains one of the densest concentrations of nerves in the male body, the cloak of forskin protects the head from overstimulation. By removing the forskin the head becomes desensitized, decreasing sexual pleasure.

    For Jews circumcision is a covenant with God. That’s their religion, and no one has a right to impose our morality upon their religios traditions. However, making that coventant with someone else’s body (even your own son’s) is not a true covenant. Only the reasoned decision of an adult (I’ll even say a 13 year old – Bar Mitzvah Age) constitutes a binding agreement. If you want your children to follow your religion, then educate them on your faith and traditions, but let them make the covenant with God of their own volition.

    • fuow

      Having had my foreskin removed well after I’d become sexually active, I know your nonsense about decreasing sexual pleasure is bullshit.

      • William

        I would have preferred the right to choose.

        • pj

          really.

        • Herald

          There were approximately twelve million choices your parents made for you while you were growing up. Stop whining about something so irrelevant.

          • NZArtist

            Well, it’s true, they did decide not to cut off my toes, so there’s that to be thankful for.

          • It would be so much easier to clean your feet if you had no toes.

          • NZArtist

            I know, right! Imagine the designs of shoes I could wear!

          • zhera

            It would be wonderful to never get athlete’s feet ever again!

            Curse the school showers!

          • rickhfx

            …toe nails finger nails, eye lids, ears, noses, cut them right off makes as much sense.

          • Kay

            Amputating breasts is a good way to avoid breast cancer, too.

          • vorpal

            I love the stupid conjectures that removing the foreskin reduces risk of sexually transmitted HIV infection. My response to that is that if they just lopped off the whole penis, the risk of sexually transmitted HIV infection would essentially be zero.

          • Kara Connor

            The figure I’ve seen, iirc, is 60% reduction for unprotected sex. That’s rather like playing Russian roulette with slightly less bullets. Still a stupid idea. Wear a condom. And don’t perform totally unnecessary, none-consensual surgery on infants.

          • vorpal

            Exactly this. Either only engage in low-risk sexual activity, or wear a condom, or ensure you and your partner are tested and can trust one another.

            There are many more STDs than just HIV as well to worry about.

          • rickhfx

            No surgery is simple surgery, mistakes and infection happen all the time. The pain the baby must go through for weeks if not months is torture. Most babies go almost catatonic for the week after being cut, from pain,T he head of the penis is never supposed to be exposed when very young even to clean the penis, for most babies it is still attached to the head and must be ripped off using fingernails, during cutting.

          • NZArtist

            Just think of all the diseases you could prevent by lopping off various body parts.
            Bob Marley died of toe-cancer. The arguments for lopping off children’s toes gets stronger by the moment.
            Think of all the children who go through the trauma of broken arms and legs. Lopping off those limbs at birth would save them so much future suffering. There are many amputees who will tell you they live fulfilled and happy lives without limbs. Some who are born without limbs will even tell you they don’t miss what they never had.
            All those in favour of increasing the number of bits we lop of infants raise their hands!

          • vorpal

            LOL absolutely!

            I would raise my hands in agreement if my parents hadn’t lopped them off to prevent the scourge of hangnails. I am eternally thankful to them that hangnails are a pain that I will never know.

          • Bad Tom

            There is a problem: if we cut off the arms, raising the hand is difficult.

          • zhera

            Also, from what I understand, those studies had instructions for the men on how to have safe sex. Such as using condoms.

            It’s kinda like the Regnerus of HIV studies.

          • I hadn’t heard of the Regnerus study, but yes, that’s what it’s like.

            The men in the three African studies were all paid volunteeers to be cut, not a random sample of the population. They were only randomised to be cut immediately or later. Less than two years after cutting 5,400 men (the experimental group), 64 of them had HIV, 73 fewer than the control group made to wait.
            But: –
            * the cut group were told to abstain from sex for six weeks after the operation and to use condoms if they didn’t, so they got into the habit of using condoms (and they certainly weren’t told to stop using them after six weeks!)
            * Contacts were not traced, so it is not known how the men were infected, and admitting to homosexual acts is shameful or even dangerous in the countries of the trials.
            * Several times as many men dropped out, their HIV status unknown, as were known to be infected, so the real outcome is unknown.
            * And the trials were all cut short (“stopping while you’re ahead”).

            Cutting men has been shown to INcrease the HIV risk to women, already at much greater risk. It has no effect on same-sex (or of course IV needle) transmission , the commonest modes in the western world.

            Even if genital cutting of adult volunteers WERE shown to significantly reduce the rate of HIV infection by those men, that would STILL not justify genitally cutting vast numbers of healthy babies in countries with low rates of heterosexual HIV infection, such as the USA, who grow up to be men perfectly capapable of making their own choices about the HIV risks they will expose themselves to, and how they will protect against those risks.

          • It’s kind of relevant, since it’s medically unnecessary and is anyway you define it, mutilation.

          • Judas Peckerwood

            Ah, the old “my parents beat me everyday and I turned out JUST FINE!!!” argument.

          • William

            I have not begun to whine.

          • rickhfx

            That what some cut guys say, the don’t have a clue what they are missing. Sad

          • Herald

            Unless you’ve been both, you’re just speculating.

          • These men have been both, and they hate it: http://www.circumstitions.com/regret.html#men

            They’re not equal and opposite. If you have something, you can imagine what it’s like to be without it, but if you had it taken from you at an early age you can’t imagine what it’s like to have it.

            Getting cut has been compared to losing one eye or one ear or colour vision. You can still function after a fashion, but you lose the richness that the additional dimension gives.

          • Herald

            I’m sorry but that’s asinine.

          • M Lyndon

            Why’s it asinine? I’d rather lose the sight in one eye, or the hearing in one ear, or be color blind, than be circumcised. Yes it makes that much difference to some people.

          • You should be sorry, because saying something is “asinne” is not an argument.

          • rickhfx

            I trust what men cut later in life tell me when we have a conversation about cut versus uncut, one was my cut boyfriend back a few years, he thought he wanted it done for cosmetic reasons, paid to have it done, against my opinion and the doctor’s opinion. Then later he said “wtf” did i do, he said don’t ever get it done. A little while back you never saw uncut guy in magazines, movies or such, but now uncut guys are all the rage. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. It looks like even that fashion changed.

          • But not one of the “12 mIllion” (one of the 87.9% of all statistics that are just made up) choices invovled cutting off a normal, healthy, funcational body part forever – because cutting off any other such part is illegal (and so is cutting off this one, according to senior lawyers, but the law is just not enforced by custom and habit).

            Having part of your genitals cut off is certainly not “irrelevant”.

        • Octavio

          I have vivid memories of being toilet trained and seeing my mother look on with horror as I discovered my penis, playing with pulling the foreskin back and then pulling it forward to hide it. I thought it was hysterical. I’m lucky my pious mormon mommy didn’t immediately rush me off to the GP to have me snipped. LOL!

          • You are lucky. Moroni 8:8 says it is not necessary (as do Gal 5:2 and Heb 8:13) but many Mormons don’t know that and cut away.

          • Octavio

            Yeah, but she was mormon. That was her problem. No mine. 🙂

      • BobSF_94117

        GIve it a couple decades. You’ll be less sensitive than you would have been otherwise.

        • fuow

          Will I?
          Well into my fifties, soon will have been forty years ago.
          Still have multiple orgasms, still make my husband happy.
          These arguments just don’t work because they’re not based on reality.

          • NZArtist

            So you’re a strong proponent of letting adults choose for themselves, rather than letting parents choose, right?

          • fuow

            Oh, very clever.
            Not.
            I think it’s one of those decisions which parents should make when it comes to boys.
            I am vehemently opposed to female genital mutilation.
            A lot of this is simply hatred of Jews.

          • NZArtist

            Except in my country circumcision rates are below 20% for boys. It’s not about Jew/non-Jew – don’t be an arse.
            It’s about deciding to make cosmetic body modifications on your babies.
            So, you’re all for allowing parents to make cosmetic body modifications to their children, right?

          • Octavio

            Agreed. Imagine if we were dobermans? Our parents would probably be culturally influenced to have our ears cropped. Ack!

          • BobSF_94117

            I’m just glad we’re not Mayans.

          • Octavio

            Ewwww!

          • Here in NZ it’s more like 5%, and has been for a generation. Men are not falling over or filling hospital wards with foreskin-diseases, and a generation grew looking different from our fathers, with no problems there either.

          • zhera

            Bullshit. It has nothing to do with Jews and everything to do with autonomy.

            You have a good life without your foreskin? Good for you. You don’t get to make that decision for anyone else, no matter how much DNA you share with them.

          • Judas Peckerwood

            “A lot of this is simply hatred of Jews.”

            Christ, what an asshole.

          • NZArtist

            He could have just called me ‘Hitler’ and be done with it.

          • Octavio

            fuow — you know I love you. But on this you’ve just lost me. Better we change the subject to where to find the best Chinese food. 🙂

          • BobSF_94117

            The desensitization argument is based on reality.

            I never go barefoot outside the house. I can’t walk across gravel or a rocky driveway. People I know who go barefoot all the time think it’s funny.

          • fuow

            Sigh. And your point is?
            If my penis still gets me off to multiple orgasms, then I daresay your argument is moot.

          • BobSF_94117

            My point is it’s different. You said it wasn’t.

            I daresay I enjoy wiggling my toes in the grass more than my neighbor. He, on the other hand, can probably walk across glass shards, which might come in handy after the Apocalypse, I suppose….

            Circumcision does result in reduced sensitivity, due to constant exposure of the skin to clothing, reduced moisture, and the actual loss of nerve-rich tissue.

            You say your argument is “reality based”. The reality is that you just don’t mind the difference. Which is fine.

          • Judas Peckerwood

            Ah, so it’s all about YOU. Now I understand your head-up-your-own-ass attitude.

          • Ah yes, orgasms, the beginning and ending of sex, according to cut men. That’s like saying cake doesn’t matter, only icing. Or the journey doesn’t matter, only arriving. Male genital cutting is like ripping out your accelerator and leaving only an on-off switch. Sure you can still get there, but you don’t enjoy the ride nearly so much.

      • NZArtist

        You don’t feel your ‘bleeding and pain’ in any way affected how you feel about sex with your foreskin intact?
        Because I know how sensitive is my foreskin and I *love* to have someone playing with it.
        You cant say *my* sexual pleasure wouldn’t be decreased by not having a foreskin because my foreskin is such an integral part to the pleasure I receive.
        You can say *your* sexual pleasure wasn’t decreased, but your experience doesn’t equate to mine.

        • Octavio

          Plus, it sure makes it easier to fuck your partner without a condom or tons of lube. Why does no one mention that?

          • NZArtist

            I’m a bottom. 😉
            Makes it more convenient for a reach-around tho.

      • Miji

        Congratulations on your successful and totally fine circumcision. All circumcisions are not equal and all men’s experiences are not the same, so I for one think it is only logical that boys/ men should be allowed to make their own decisions, rather than having their bodies modified without their consent.

      • rickhfx

        I know guys that had it done later in life, they all wish they didn’t, very ugly scar, and loss of sensitivity, the fulcrum is removed completely in most cases, it’s the most sensitive part of the penis, The foreskin is loaded with nerves for pleasure, what happened to consent? If you want a major part of your dick cut off do it when you are old enough to want it your self. They don’t cut a baby girls cliteral hood off, why not if they are willing to do the same type of mutilation to their boys?

        • “fulcrum” -> frenulum (“little bridle”) the band linking the foreskin to the underside of the glans, which cut men (but not intact men) call “the male G-spot”. It’s the beginnning and end of the ridged band of nerves running around the inside of the foreskin near the tip, but it cut men, it’s all that’s left*. That should tell you something.

          * if you’re lucky. It may be cut off as well according to the doctor’s skill, whim or luck. No wonder different cut men report very different outcomes.

          • rickhfx

            Thanks for fixing my mistake, the frenulum is my fav spot.

            Sensitivity

            The frenulum and the associated tissue delta on the underside of the penis below the corona has been described in sexuality textbooks as “very reactive” and “particularly responsive to touch that is light and soft”. The “underside of the shaft of the penis, meaning the body below the corona” is a “source of distinct pleasure”.Crooks and Baur observe that two extremely sensitive specific locations that many men find particularly responsive to stimulation are the corona, and the frenulum.[6] Repeated stimulation of this structure will cause orgasm and ejaculation in some men.

            In men with spinal cord injury preventing sensations from reaching the brain, the frenulum just below the glans can be stimulated to produce orgasm and peri-ejaculatory response. Sorry cut guys, you have yours removed, cruel needless surgery.

          • Jason Drew

            Most US parents have no idea there are so many different types of circumcision. They just think ‘it’ needs doing.

      • Kelly Lape

        I concede to your expertise on dicks. Your sample of one has impressed me with overwhelming evidence. Your scientific method is unimpeachable.

      • M Lyndon

        You’re a sample size of one. Here are three people with different views:

        Adult film star Rocco Siffredi (the “Italian Stallion”) called his decision “catastrophic” and that being intact “you can feel much more fun”.

        Adult film star Erik Rhodes:
        “So to answer the question, after getting all that out… yes i do regret it. I should have just looked for other options before letting some crazy asshole take a knife to my dick and yes i have lost sensitivity. It’s just not the same.”

        regular guy Nick Kusturis
        “After the circumcision I felt nothing, no sensation at all. I knew something wasn’t right, but I just thought if I waited, everything would get back to normal. So I waited, I was in denial for the longest time. One day it just hit me that this was not going to change.”
        (search for “Circumcised at 18” on YouTube to hear his story)

        Kim and Pang 2006 studied 255 men circumcised as adults and found that:
        “About 6% answered that their sex lives improved, while
        20% reported a worse sex life after circumcision.”

      • The significance of your sample of one depends very much on WHY you had it removed. If you wanted it removed, you got what you wanted. If some abnormality was impairing your pleasure, then removing it would improve matters (but for all anyone knows, not back to the pleasure of having a normal foreskin).. These men hated the outcome: http://www.circumstitions.com/regret.html#men

    • “That’s their religion, and no one has a right to impose our morality upon their religios traditions.”
      Oh really?

      • Really?

      • Kelly Lape

        Are you really arguing that Circumcision is the same as blood sacrifice?

        • Jason Drew

          It is the sacrifice of a body part which involves blood.

        • Absolutely! That’s exactly what it is. Strict mohelim won’t use a clamp because it prevents blood being shed. If a baby can’t be circumcised for any reason, or an adult convert is already cut, the shedding of a single drop of blood (hatifat dam berit) will suffice.
          Modern “non-religious” male genital cutting springs from the same dark anti-sexual roots. (The “hygiene” nonsense is a carryover from the “moral hygiene” of thwarting masturbation, and the “health” excuses were all made up after male gential cutting was entrenched.)

          • Kelly Lape

            Life and Death. When you challenge someones beliefs for trivial transgressions, you cheapen your moral authority to fight meaningful battles.

            I refer your hurt feelings to this:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j556MWGVVqI

          • You seem to be answering a post in another thread somewhere.

          • If by some chance your post is supposed to answer mine, infant male genital cutting, the removal of someone’s most sensitive genital tissue for no compelling reason (such as actual life-threatening disease) is not “trivial”.

          • Kelly Lape

            You’re argument is filled with strawmen comparisons.

            I argue X, so you trot out Y, everyone can agree Y is bad, so therefor X must be bad. Ignoring the fact that X & Y are two entirely different things.

            The argument that only a reasoned decision to modify one’s own body as a covenent with God is a valid argument. To compare circumsicion with human sacrifice – I say once again – is not a valid argument.

          • You’re just not getting it. You argued that no religious practice may ever be challenged. I offer you some that you would challenge. It is now up to you to explain how a line can be drawn between sacrificing a baby in the name of religion and cutting a normal healthy functional non-renewing part off a baby forever in the name of religion.

            They are not “two entirely different things” they are both bodily sacrifices of a non-consenting person, that’s a lot to have in common when we’re discussing other people’s right to commit them.

            Let me put it this way:
            Is it OK to cut off a person’s hair without their consent in the name of relligion?
            Arguably yes, because hair grows back.
            – knock out their teeth?
            Maybe milk teeth because they will be replaced, but not final teeth
            – cut off their toes?
            – foreskin?
            – ears?
            – little fingers?
            – penis?
            – index fingers?
            – hands?
            – feet?
            – arms?
            – legs?
            – head?
            – heart? (like the Aztecs, in the name of their religion)

            See, it’s a spectrum, and foreskins fall well along the line where religion is no excuse.

          • Kelly Lape

            No. You’re labeling me with that argument. My argument is that circumcision is a religious practice, and it won’t be changed by attacking their religion.

          • Jason Drew

            Ever heard of Brit Shalom?

          • yachty

            Most Jews think that’s a joke. If the kid doesn’t get circumcised by 18 here is no longer a Jew.

          • Jason Drew

            So what?

          • yachty

            So what? He wouldn’t be my son……

          • Jason Drew

            There are other religions, you know?

          • You’ve moved the goalposts away from your exact words: “That’s their religion, and no one has a right to impose our morality upon their religios traditions.”

            However, to take your new version: “circumcision is a religious practice, and it won’t be changed by attacking their religion.”

            We are not attacking their religion (most of us, anyway). We are attacking the practice. We encourage Brit Shalom, a Jewish baby-naming ceremony that can be as similar to Brit Milah as you like, but without the cutting.
            http://britshalom.info

          • Kelly Lape

            I have no “Goalposts” – I don’t give a damn about your issues with circusmcision. In fact if your not circumcised, get circumsiced because your too big of a dick as you are. If you are circumcised, demand a refund because like I said your a giant dick.

            Get over yourself.

          • M Lyndon

            Hugh7 was making a valid argument, so why have you resorted to abuse?

          • Kelly Lape

            How many times does he need to make a point. How long does he need to keep saying the same thing. How many times do I need to say the same thing? Niether of us is changing our opinions. He keeps harping on this. That makes him a Dick. Or a Troll – which are you?

          • M Lyndon

            He was making valid points in response to your comment, which you didn’t (couldn’t?) answer.

            Now you’re insulting me. FWIW, I’m just someone who thinks that cutting parts off babies’ genitals is wrong, and you’re not making a stong case to convince me otherwise.

            If you were in one of the many countries where female genital cutting is common, would you take the same attitude to that?

          • Jason Drew

            Cutters and their fans (or victims) never have a good argument for cutting babies, children or anyone else who’s perfectly healthy before the procedure’s done, which includes just about everyone. A tiny minority still desperately try to help the abuse to continue. This abuse turns many of its victims into abusers because some are not strong enough to face up to the fact that something damaging was done to them. Thereby, circ is also damaging psychologically. Poor loves like Kelly Lape need to be stronger and make friends with some friendly intactivists like me to heal their soul and learn how to start helping to protect babies, children and adults from this scourge.

          • Jason Drew

            He’s not only talking to you. You are not the only person reading this. You are not the only person in the world who intactivism is educating and campaigning about. There, something new for you both.

          • Jason Drew

            One of the main issues intactivists campaign to end is child abuse. Are you on the side of child abuse, or are you closer to being on our side?

          • Jason Drew

            I think it’s all he has left.

          • Jason Drew

            Evidence shows that all religions change over time.

          • Jason Drew

            To cut off part of your penis because some members of your family or place of worship demands that body part sacrifice and says if you don’t sacrifice it you must leave? All because of something someone you don’t know wrote on a piece of parchment thousands of years ago, thousands of miles away in a different culture because his boss you have no idea about told him to write that. How is that a valid argument for getting great parts of your body cut off?

          • yachty

            A foreskin is disgusting…..

          • Jason Drew

            What do you find disgusting about foreskin?

          • Jason Drew

            Women actually have a foreskins.

          • Jason Drew

            Where’s the trivial transgression?

        • yachty

          He is Eurotrash….not even American

    • Jason Drew

      I do have the right to ask Jewish people not to do such a thing to children. Many Jews today are choosing Brit Shalom, a welcoming ceremony which involves no circumcising, cutting or pricking. No one has imposed that.

      • yachty

        Not many are choosing that B.S……my boys couldn’t even be in their private school being uncircumcised.

  • Bj Lincoln

    It was common for boys to be circumcised before leaving the hospital when I had my son. My brothers were all circumcised and most of the input I was getting was to do it. I did. I don’t know if has made a difference in his sex life but then he can’t miss something he never had. I don’t know if I would now.

    • zhera

      He most certainly can miss something he never had when it’s something he’s SUPPOSED to have (and he did have it for a few days, didn’t he). Foreskin has a function and it’s there for a reason.

      • hiker_sf

        I’m circumcised. I was born at a time and in a culture where it was common. If I had a choice, I wouldn’t have been circumcised.

        BUT, like all well-adjusted men, I don’t miss my foreskin. Men who do are just fucked-up.

        • BobSF_94117

          A small percentage might have a very good reason to be strident about it.

        • Helen Damnation ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          How in the hell can you say you don’t “miss” your foreskin if you have never had one that was left intact?

          • hiker_sf

            How can you miss what you haven’t had since your first week of birth?

          • Boitje

            I have sight in only my left eye, and after a lifetime of hearing people talk about their vision I can say that I definitely miss out on having depth perception. It’s MISSING, so I MISS it. I don’t have to have used stereo vision to understand that it’s better and a bummer that I lost it as a small child. I’m good, but not “as good” when it comes to vision.

            And by the way, given the choice of perfect vision or keeping my foreskin, the foreskin is too valuable to surrender in exchange for 3D vision. Not even a contest.

        • How dismissive of other men’s issues! I bet you still have your frenulum, the little nub under your glans that cut men (but only they) call “the male G-spot”. It’s just a remnant of the richly innervated ridged band that once ran round the inside of your foreskin near the tip, conferring a “symphony of sensation”, more feedback and hence more control..

          Many cut men are not so lucky, because doctors take or leave the ffrenulum according to their skill, luck or whim. (Most just copy how cutting was taught to them, without a clue about what they are actually doing.) That’s what’s really fucked up.

    • NZArtist

      That is a horrible and lazy argument.

      • hiker_sf

        Man, don’t you give anyone a break? She said that she didn’t know if she would do it now.

        • Boitje

          That’s the same as admitting that you don’t see it as a human rights violation and a harm. How would you respond to someone who said that they aren’t sure they’d circumcise their daughter or bind her feet if they had it to do again?

    • BobSF_94117

      I was born in a military hospital in the States. My Italian war-bride mother was upset that they circumcised me without asking, but she was really pissed that they baptized me too!

      • Octavio

        Hah! This !!!!!

      • Baptism wipes off with a paper towel. Genital cutting doesn’t.

    • “he can’t miss something he never had.” You could equally say that if they’d cut off the whole thing, but I don’t think you would.

  • Rex

    I wasn’t circumcised, and I’m glad I wasn’t. I don’t understand why so many parents still have it done to their boys “just because.”

    • pj

      something else for the hospital to charge you for.

      • Rex

        My nephew just had a son, and my mom mentioned the circumcision to me and wondered why they did it, and that was my answer, so the doctor’s could add another charge.

  • tcinsf

    Westboro was here? Who knew? The only protests we cared about were the homeless protest and the Mario Woods protests… local people, local issues.

  • TKW

    Wonder where my foreskin is now. 🙁

  • Mark

    All this talk about penis. I gotta go find some…..

    • Octavio

      Yeah. It’s getting warm in here.

  • Merv99

    Absent compelling medical reasons, the choice of permanent body modification should be left to the individual. This is an issue of consent. The intactivists will win in the end because they have the better argument. Unfortunately, it might take a long time.

    • Yes, it’s all about consent. I’m actually surprised it’s still allowed based on that fact alone.

      • zhera

        Even in supposedly enlightened countries such as Norway, where circumcision is only done for religious reasons, it’s proven hard to get a ban on it. Because of religious freedom and all that.

        Apparently babies and children don’t get to have religious freedom?

        • “Apparently babies and children don’t get to have religious freedom?”
          Religious freedom doesn’t start until some age of reason, which is fine until you’re talking about permanent lifelong body modificaiton in the name of (the parents’) religion (or brainwashing). Now we have religious freedom, children may no longer be assumed to automatically follow their parents’ religion.

          • yachty

            So, we get rid of Christmas, Easter etc?

          • If you think they’re brainwashing. Who is “we”?

          • Jason Drew

            There isn’t a connection.

        • yachty

          Norway is a socialist shithole…….

          • zhera

            Having fun stalking through my comments, are you?

          • vorpal

            yachty is a racist piece of American Exceptionalism garbage. See how other posts here. I’ve reported all his racist insults and hopefully he will get booted.

  • NZArtist

    My understanding is that guys who are circumcised need to use some form of lubricant to masturbate effectively (or they’ll chafe the glans of their penis).
    Please do correct my understanding if I’m incorrect.
    Uncut guys don’t need (but can use, if they like) lubricant to masturbate. As they stroke their hand up and down over the head of their cock, the foreskin rolls back and forth (acting sort of like a roller-bearing or sleeve-bearing). So they get all the stimulation without needing to use lubrication and without getting a chaffed cock-head.
    I have the *choice* to roll back my foreskin and make my cock look all naked and circumcised, and have all the fun with the lube. Or I can use my foreskin to increase my sexual pleasure, the way it’s meant to be.
    Why the flock would I want to take all that fun away from a boy??

    • BobSF_94117

      To get him to clean his room, mow the grass, and all manner of other chores.

    • Leo Tallant

      My only problem is when uncut guys inadvertently pull the foreskin too far from the glans when giving head which can cause a slight pain. Some uncut men have to be trained in how to treat an uncut cock head. 😉

      (OK, trained might not be the right word – ummm instructed maybe?)

      • NZArtist

        Practice, practice, practice! 🙂

        • Leo Tallant

          I agree and my husbear has gotten really good at it LOL.

      • Octavio

        🙂

      • “USE THE FORESKIN, LUKE!”

        • yachty

          Just cut it off…..

    • Herald

      I’m circumcised and I’ve never once used lube to masturbate. The vast majority of American males are circumcised. It used to be that parents were told it was for hygiene reasons. Turns out, it’s unnecessary and doesn’t need to be done. But it’s also not “mutilation”, and anyone who walks around with protest signs really needs to look at what they’re doing with their lives.

      • NZArtist

        How is it *not* mutilation? What’s your definition of mutilation that excludes cutting off a foreskin?

      • Judas Peckerwood

        It IS mutilation when it’s forced upon you. What part of that concept is unclear?

        • Herald

          The part where your life is so meaningless you’re whining about nothing. If that’s “mutilation”, then so are earrings, or the chicken pox inoculation scar.

          • NZArtist

            Earrings, true. Cosmetic and unnecessary, and creeps me the fuck out when parents to it to their infants.
            Chicken-pox, medically necessary. Don’t be an arse.

          • Earring holes close up.

          • JoumaSkyrider

            As does the urethra in males after a circumcision…it’s one of the most COMMON problems after a circumcision actually and must be fixed by them putting a plier like object inside the closed up urethra (Or where they think it is) and by stretching it out over and over for about 10 minutes.

          • Reasoning101

            Yup. Meatal stenosis (narrowing of the meatus). Almost unheard of in intact guys and very common in circumcised guys. So common, the surgery to fix it is often referred to as the “second circumcision”. In my (field) experience, about 2/3 of circumcised guys have noticeable meatal stenosis. It comes about for 2 primary reasons: abrasion of the meatus, leading to subtle scar tissue that closes; and loss of blood to the meatal lips, which hardly any circumcised men have anymore. Blood supply is via the frenulum, which also terminates at the meatal lips, and is routinely destroyed in infant circumcision.

            Circumcision changes a lot of things.

          • Jason Drew

            Thank you for the extra info on this. Trust me, this man knows his stuff.

          • yachty

            Circumcision perfects the imperfect.

          • Jason Drew

            Anyone who reads this thread will know you really didn’t read the previous comment.

          • Judas Peckerwood

            So what happened to my body without my consent is “meaningless” and not worth “whining about”? Fuck off.

          • Herald

            Okay, you were militated. Congratulations! You are a victim!

          • Judas Peckerwood

            Wow, you really are quite the asshole, aren’t you?

          • vorpal

            Congratulations! You’re a haughty, self-righteous moron!

          • yachty

            I am stoked to be circumcised and have 3 (7,4 and 1) boys circumcised……..get over your anti BS

          • Jason Drew

            How many of you have urologist?

          • yachty

            Urologist?…..Just rich, white and American.

          • If it’s “nothing” why the desperate desire to go on doing it? Just leave babies’ genitals alone.

          • Herald

            To whom are you referring? Who has a “desperate desire” to keep doing it?

          • Jason Drew

            The people who behave as though it must be done and then do it or get it done.

          • Jason Drew

            Millions of Americans, for a start.

          • Herald

            That’s just silly. The only people with a passionate viewpoint on the topic are lunatics who have no actual problems in their lives and have to invent them by claiming they’ve been multilated.

          • Jason Drew

            You clearly haven’t spoken to many intactivists, many of who’m became passionately involved precisely because of actual ongoing and sometimes serous problems in their lives caused by their own or their child’s circumcision and / or issues attached to it. The people passionately for circ are more often those who either make money out of it or have never been told by anyone that serious problems can and do sometimes occur with it and believe it must be better else we wouldn’t do it. Sometimes a close family member is quietly suffering but it’s not the kind of thing some people want to tell their family about, especially where they think they’ll get no sympathy.

            Then there’s the passionate religionists who often tend to believe what they believe ‘because people say’ even though some highly experienced theologians disagree circ is necessary and can point to scripture to support this. Some people, however, still believe they need to circumcise their children despite the known risks and known damages to the body. The known damages to the body being part of the reason why they believe they are asked to circumcise.

            It’s a huge topic and much loved children may even die from it, so for many it’s not nothing to get passionate about.

          • Virtually everybody who has a baby cut has to have a Despearate desire (I didn’t say “passionate viewpoint”) to do it (whether they see it as such or not) when the benefits are demonstrably so marginal (exaggerated or completely bogus), the risks (all the way to death) and harms (inevitable loss of functional erogenous tissue) so real, the pain so obvious and the profit motive so clear. (Nowhere with single-payer health care is it customary. One of the AAP’s 8-member “Task Force on Circumcision” was a representative of the AAP Committee on Child Health Financing.)

            Look at any of the pro-circ postings here, especially one of the most frequent posters, and the desperate desire to justify their own cut state or the irrevocable decision they made is vividly obvious.

          • Jason Drew

            Name the 16+ functions lost after male circumcision.

          • Herald

            Sigh.

          • A sigh admitting igrnorance.

        • yachty

          My braces were forced……

          • Jason Drew

            You’re not stuck with braces for life and they don’t leave your mouth not functioning properly for life.

          • vorpal

            Comparing braces to circumcision is absurd, as is almost everything else yacht says.

            A more apt analogy would be a parent ripping out all their child’s teeth.

          • Jason Drew

            Where I live they used to wait till you were 21 before ripping your teeth out. At least they used to let children enjoy their teeth first. Then one day about 200 years ago they got more advanced. I’m sometimes told ‘The USA’s the most medically advanced blah, blah, blah in the world’? Not if they’re still in the ‘the best we can think of is to amputate it’ era.

      • NZArtist

        What’s your technique for masturbating? I have to ask because circumcision is so rare in New Zealand I don’t actually know any cut guys here to get them to show me.

        • Herald

          The classic “grab and pull” works pretty good.

          • NZArtist

            Yeah, but do you slide your hand over the skin, or do you grip hard enough to move the skin, or do you use a small bit of remaining foreskin to provide the roller-bearing effect?
            Do you rub over your glans, or just over the shaft?
            How do you avoid chaffing your glans?

          • Herald

            Hmm, Well now I’m really going to have to think about it. Let’s see…I grab the shaft only, and let it move up and down a little, usually not a full grab, just with the thumb on one side, and the index finger and middle finger on the other. Then at the “key moment”, I apply pressure to the base of the head.

          • NZArtist

            Okay. I use the same grip. So you’re more stroking your shaft and barely touching your glans, whereas I’m applying pressure to my glans through my foreskin.

          • NZArtist

            Actually, change that. I generally use three fingers below, rather than two. I find that the bumps of the fingers running over the underside of my cock-head adds to the stimulation.

          • BobSF_94117

            I’ve seen guys use that technique. Very odd. (I’m a full-grab sort). Do you extend your pinky finger?

            (heehee)

          • Herald

            Yes, while sipping tea.

          • BobSF_94117

            I only asked as a safety question. I’d hate to have you put out someone’s eye.

          • William

            Your words are difficult to follow. Do you have a video?

          • Herald

            Really, I thought I was being clear. Well, let me send you a copy of–hey, wait a minute!

          • William

            Heee heeee!

          • GanymedeRenard

            I see what you did there. 😉

          • Herald

            I will add, now that I think about it, when I was a teenager and masturbating six or seven times a day, the head would occasionally chafe. Which to religious fundamentalist me (at the time) meant that God was punishing me.

          • yachty

            I have no moveable skin and like it that way.

          • Jason Drew

            Why do so many pro cutters talk about wanking?

          • yachty

            So you are a Brit……Eurotrash

          • Yes, it’s not commonly known that after a tight genital cutting, the movable layer of shaft skin, being prevented from moving, may fuse to the layer beneath. The effect of this on erotic functioning has not been studied, but it can’t be an improvement.

        • Reality.Bites

          There’s porn though right?

          • NZArtist

            Well most of the porn uses lube (or saliva, which I’m counting as ‘lube’). So I just assumed…

        • Plenty of older guys in NZ are cut, unfortunately.

          Basically, intact guys just need to move the skin over the glans, using as little as finger and thumb. Some cut guys have to use the “circumcised grip of death” involving a whole fist and really aggressive action. (Some have to rub on pillows or – ouch! – towels!) This clearly demonstrates how much sensitivity has been lost.
          Your mileage may vary.

          • yachty

            Dude, you are a freak…..

          • He asked an honest question, I gave an honest answer.

          • Jason Drew

            Also, the glans contains more pain receptive nerve endings than any other type. So, it’s not designed / evolved for what cut men think it is. By contrast, the ridged band of the foreskin contains a very high level of pleasure sensitive nerve endings many of which uniquely respond well to a rolling action. I read that in a science paper and know it’s true cos I have them all.

          • Jason Drew

            You can still save your grandsons.

          • yachty

            If my boy’s fu they get no trust…..

        • yachty

          A little lube or lotion……my dad explained that when we had the talk as a kid…..no big deal.

          • Jason Drew

            What do you mean your dad talked to you about that? Why? Exactly how deep do you want the hole you’re digging for your family to be by the time they close the comments down?

          • yachty

            Dude, California family and open…..your father never had a talk with you? What kind of FU family did you have?

          • Another disadvantage of being cut – having to shell out for lube or lotion.

      • It’s mutilation. It’s cutting off a part of the body and almost always without consent.

        • yachty

          Uncircumcised is unhealthy, unclean and ugly.

          • “Ugly” is subjective, the others, simply not true.

          • Jason Drew

            Why would humans be the only life on Earth that have such unhealthy genitals we all need surgery? lol

      • vorpal

        Wait… removing a healthy, functional part of someone’s body without their consent… isn’t… mutilation?

        I can’t think of anything that is more an act of mutilation than that.

      • SoCalVet

        have you ever witnessed the procedure? it needs to stop immediately, and these people that work to stop it are heroes of our time.

        • yachty

          I was with my 3 boys…..not a big deal! My boys were cut at home….then we had a party! 🙂

          • SoCalVet

            yay, an at home infant genital mutilation party! You must be American Christians, Israel Jews, or Africans. Savages that still cut on their babies sexual organs.

          • Jason Drew

            I think you left out muslims.

          • yachty

            100% American…..no blacks here.Are you some Eurotrash?

          • SoCalVet

            you’re a disgusting infant penis cutter….that’s all you are and all you ever will be. No human is lower.

          • yachty

            Are you some wacko drag queen?

          • Jason Drew

            North, south or Central?

          • yachty

            Southern California, but in a beach town. Also have a house in Maryland on the water as well.

          • Jason Drew

            A party to celebrate losing 17 functions each. You still haven’t named them yet. I’ll do that for you in a mo.

          • Jason Drew

            MALE Circumcision REMOVES 16+ Functions. Do you know what they are?

            1. Frenar Band, or Ridged Band – The frenar band is a group of soft ridges near the junction of the inner and outer foreskin. This region is the primary erogenous zone of the intact male body. Loss of this delicate belt of densely innervated, sexually responsive tissue reduces the fullness and intensity of sexual response. [Source: Taylor, J. R. et al., “The Prepuce: Specialized Mucosa of the Penis and Its Loss to Circumcision,” British Journal of Urology 77 (1996): 291-295.]

            2. Mechanical Gliding Action – The foreskin’s gliding action is a hallmark feature of the normal, natural, intact penis. This non-abrasive gliding of the penis in and out of its own shaft skin facilitates smooth, comfortable, pleasurable intercourse for both partners. Without this gliding action, the corona of the circumcised penis can function as a one-way valve, making artificial lubricants necessary for comfortable intercourse. [Source: P. M. Fleiss, MD, MPH, “The Case Against Circumcision,” Mothering: The Magazine of Natural Family Living (Winter 1997): 36-45.]

            3. Meissner’s Corpuscles – Circumcision removes the most important sensory component of the foreskin – thousands of coiled fine-touch receptors called Meissner’s corpuscles. Also lost are branches of the dorsal nerve, and between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types. Together these detect subtle changes in motion and temperature, as well as fine gradations in texture. [Sources: 1. R. K. Winkelmann, “The Erogenous Zones: Their Nerve Supply and Its Significance,” Proceedings of the Staff Meetings of the Mayo Clinic 34 (1959): 39-47. 2. R. K. Winkelmann, “The Cutaneous Innervation of Human Newborn Prepuce,” Journal of Investigative Dermatology 26 (1956): 53-67.]

            4. The frenulum is a highly erogenous V-shaped structure on the underside of the glans that tethers the foreskin. During circumcision it is frequently either amputated with the foreskin or severed, which destroys or diminishes its sexual and physiological functions. [Sources: 1. Cold, C, Taylor, J, “The Prepuce,” BJU International 83, Suppl. 1, (1999): 34-44. 2. Kaplan, G.W., “Complications of Circumcision,” Urologic Clinics of North America 10, 1983.]

            5. Dartos Fascia – Circumcision removes approximately half of this temperature-sensitive smooth muscle sheath which lies between the outer layer of skin and the corpus cavernosa. [Source: Netter, F.H., “Atlas of Human Anatomy,” Second Edition (Novartis, 1997): Plates 234, 329, 338, 354, 355.]

            6. Immunological System – The soft mucosa (inner foreskin) contains its own immunological defense system which produces plasma cells. These cells secrete immunoglobulin antibodies as well as antibacterial and antiviral proteins, including the pathogen killing enzyme lysozyme. [Sources: 1. A. Ahmed and A. W. Jones, “Apocrine Cystadenoma: A Report of Two Cases Occurring on the Prepuce,” British Journal of Dermatology 81 (1969): 899-901. 2. P. J. Flower et al., “An Immunopathologic Study of the Bovine Prepuce,” Veterinary Pathology 20 (1983):189-202.]

            7. Lymphatic Vessels – The loss of these vessels due to circumcision reduces the lymph flow within that part of the body’s immune system. [Source: Netter, F.H., “Atlas of Human Anatomy,” Second Edition (Novartis, 1997): plate 379.]

            8. Estrogen Receptors – The presence of estrogen receptors within the foreskin has only recently been discovered. Their purpose is not yet understood and needs further study. [Source: R. Hausmann et al., “The Forensic Value of the Immunohistochemical Detection of Oestrogen Receptors in Vaginal Epithelium,” International Journal of Legal Medicine 109 (1996): 10-30.]

            9. Apocrine Glands – These glands of the inner foreskin produce pheromones – nature’s powerful, silent, invisible behavioral signals to potential sexual partners. The effect of their absence on human sexuality has never been studied. [Source: A. Ahmed and A. W. Jones, “Apocrine Cystadenoma: A Report of Two Cases Occurring on the Prepuce,” British Journal of Dermatology 81 (1969): 899-901.]

            10. Sebaceous Glands – The sebaceous glands may lubricate and moisturize the foreskin and glans, which is normally a protected internal organ. Not all men have sebaceous glands on their inner foreskin. [Source: A. B. Hyman and M. H. Brownstein, “Tyson’s Glands: Ectopic Sebaceous Glands and Papillomatosis Penis,” Archives of Dermatology 99 (1969): 31-37.]

            12. Natural Glans Coloration – The natural coloration of the glans and inner foreskin (usually hidden and only visible to others when sexually aroused) is considerably more intense than the permanently exposed and keratinized coloration of a circumcised penis. The socio-biological function of this visual stimulus has never been studied.

            The glans ranges from pink to red to dark purple among intact men of Northern European ancestry, and from pinkish to mahagony to dark brown among intact men of Color. If circumcision is performed on an infant or young boy, the connective tissue which protectively fuses the foreskin and glans together is ripped apart. This leaves the glans raw and subject to infection, scarring, pitting, shrinkage, and eventual discoloration. Over a period of years the glans becomes keratinized, adding additional layers of tissue in order to adequately protect itself, which further contributes to discoloration. Many restoring men report dramatic changes in glans color and appearance, and that these changes closely mirror the natural coloration and smooth, glossy appearance of the glans seen in intact men. [Source: P. M. Fleiss, MD, MPH, “The Case Against Circumcision,” Mothering: The Magazine of Natural Family Living (Winter 1997): 36-45.]

            13. Length and Circumference – Circumcision removes some of the length and girth of the penis – its double-layered wrapping of loose and usually overhanging foreskin is removed. A circumcised penis is truncated and thinner than it would have been if left intact. [Source: R. D. Talarico and J. E. Jasaitis, “Concealed Penis: A Complication of Neonatal Circumcision,” Journal of Urology 110 (1973): 732-733.]

            14. Blood Vessels – Several feet of blood vessels, including the frenular artery and branches of the dorsal artery, are removed in circumcision. The loss of this rich vascularization interrupts normal blood flow to the shaft and glans of the penis, damaging the natural function of the penis and altering its development. [Sources: 1. H. C. Bazett et al., “Depth, Distribution and Probable Identification in the Prepuce of Sensory End-Organs Concerned in Sensations of Temperature and Touch; Thermometric Conductivity,” Archives of Neurology and Psychiatry 27 (1932): 489-517. 2. Netter, F.H., “Atlas of Human Anatomy,” Second Edition (Novartis, 1997): plates 238, 239.]

            The terminal branch of the pudendal nerve connects to the skin of the penis, the prepuce, the corpora cavernosa, and the glans. Destruction of these nerves is a rare but devastating complication of circumcision. If cut during circumcision, the top two-thirds of the penis will be almost completely without sensation. [Sources: 1. Agur, A.M.R. ed., “Grant’s Atlas of Anatomy,” Ninth Edition (Williams and Wilkins, 1991): 188-190. 2. Netter, F.H., “Atlas of Human Anatomy,” Second Edition (Novartis, 1997): plate 380, 387.]

            16+ Other Losses

            – Circumcision performed during infancy disrupts the bonding process between child and mother. There are indications that the innate sense of trust in intimate human contact is inhibited or lost. It can also have significant adverse effects on neurological development.

            -Additionally, an infant’s self-confidence and hardiness is diminished by forcing the newborn victim into a defensive psychological state of “learned helplessness” or “acquired passivity” to cope with the excruciating pain which he can neither fight nor flee.

            – The trauma of this early pain lowers a circumcised boy’s pain threshold below that of intact boys and girls. This has been proven in a study during vaccination time. [Sources: 1. R. Goldman, Circumcision: The Hidden Trauma (Boston: Vanguard Publications, 1997), 139-175. 2. A. Taddio et al., “Effect of Neonatal Circumcision on Pain Responses during Vaccination in Boys,” Lancet 345 (1995): 291-292.]

            – Every year some boys lose their entire penises from circumcision accidents and infections. They are then “sexually reassigned” by castration and transgender surgery, and are expected to live their lives as females. [Sources: 1. J. P. Gearhart and J. A. Rock, “Total Ablation of the Penis after Circumcision with Electrocautery: A Method of Management and Long-Term Followup,” Journal of Urology 142 (1989):799-801. 2. M. Diamond and H. K. Sigmundson, “Sex Reassignment at Birth: Long-Term Review and Clinical Implications,” Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine 151 (1997): 298-304.]

            -Every year many boys in the United States and elsewhere lose their lives as a result of circumcision – a fact that is routinely ignored or obscured.

            Sources:

            1. G. W. Kaplan, “Complications of Circumcision,” Urologic Clinics of North America 10 (1983): 543-549. http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/kaplan/

            2. R. S. Thompson, “Routine Circumcision in the Newborn: An Opposing View,” Journal of Family Practice 31 (1990): 189-196. http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/UTI/thompson/

            3. What is lost due to circumcision? http://www.norm.org/lost.html

        • yachty

          I’ve been to several, really not a big deal…….hero’s my ass! Filthy uncircumcised usually.

          • Jason Drew

            I’m trying to work out whether you think you never have to wash or whether you wash morning, noon and night for half an hour each time like a person crazy?

          • yachty

            Normal American…shower twice each day.

          • Jason Drew

            Most US intactivist males are circumcised.

      • Jason Drew

        Can you explain how the boy’s foreskin is not mutilated in circumcision?

      • M Lyndon

        Looks like mutilation to me:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXVFFI76ff0

    • vorpal

      Agree completely. No lubrication needed, and I find that uncut guys – in my rather limited experience (as most of the guys I have dated have sadly been cut) – tend to precum a lot more anyway. (I can produce tons of it to the point I need to change.)

      I have also been able to reach orgasm just through manipulation of the foreskin, which is pretty awesome.

    • freelancewriternyc

      I’ve never met an uncircumscribed guy who didn’t use as much lube as a cut guy.

      • NZArtist

        Really? Wow. Well now you’ve met several. I don’t use lube when I masturbate (except very occasionally, just for the variety) and neither do any of my uncut friends. There’s no need for it – a foreskin works perfectly to provide a sliding surface.
        For penetrative sex, sure, I’m all for more lube. Having said that, a foreskin *does* assist with hetero- or homosexual penetration. (What can I say… I tried being ‘straight’ when I was young).
        In my youth I never got all those TV jokes about guys and hand-cream for masturbating. It just wasn’t something anyone here used.
        Bear in mind my country has a very low rate of male circumcision. Fewer than one-in-five guys here is circumcised so many of us rarely even see a circumcised penis in real life.

        • Kieron

          “There’s no need for it – a foreskin works perfectly to provide a sliding surface.”

          For general information: Not necessarily true for all uncut guys. If it works for you, great, but it’s not always the case. I for one prefer a lot of lube for max comfort, but I once played with another uncut guy (hot ginger bear –woot! *and* woof!) who said he didn’t mind one way or the other. I guess everyone is an individual. Imagine that. 🙂

          • NZArtist

            Absolutely. I understand – my experience is different to yours. I should have said… for all the uncut guys I know here it works perfectly. (Why, yes, I *have* watched them masturbate. 🙂 )
            The important take-away from this is… foreskins (in general) are useful, fun, sensitive, erogenous, and *normal*.
            If, as an adult male, I decided I wanted to not have a foreskin I’d like the opportunity to get circumcised. Y’know, I’ve seen guys do the weirdest things to their cock – you could look on the internet, but there are some things you just cant unsee…
            And I’m all for it! Go for it and good luck.
            But I’m adamantly against parents making those decisions for their infants. It’s weird and creepy for parents to want to surgically modify their children for the cosmetic aesthetics to please the parents.
            And it’s done for no sane reasons.
            Pretend, for a moment, circumcision wasn’t a thing. Pretend no-one does it, or even knows about it. Now, imagine trying to gain support for this new procedure. Can you imagine how incredibly fucked-up it would sound? Seriously?

          • Kieron

            I’m so stealing that last point! I hadn’t thought of it that way, so I’m much obliged.

          • NZArtist

            I can imagine the news reports. Very entertaining in an “Oh my god you cant be fucking serious!” kind of way:
            A man appeared in court today on multiple counts of.. oh my god… cutting the skin off the end of the penis of infants. He justified his actions saying “It’s not like they can feel it.” (cut away to video of infant screaming and wriggling)
            Questioned why he was doing it he talked about how healthy it was for children. (cut away to stills of deformed penises on adult men)
            Further the man demanded it was his right, and that some parents wanted this for their children.

            Outside the court the man said he wasn’t so bad as he’d heard of some people who suck on the infant’s penis after cutting it.
            Crowds of angry parents demanding their children be protected from this predator had to be cordoned off…

            Yeah, good luck selling that to the modern masses.

        • yachty

          I’ve never seen an uncircumcised male….

          • Well for someone who’s never seen one, yachty has some mighty strong opinions about us, mighty strong. Why, one wonders, does he care so much?

      • You have now.

      • M Lyndon

        I’m intact, and I’ve never used lube to masturbate. I find it bizarre that many men seem to think that lube is normal.

  • Skokieguy

    Of course since Muslims also practice circumcision, I’m glad to hear that Glenn Beck opposes attacks on the Muslim faith.

  • Leo Tallant

    From what I understand my father told the hospital “NO”. Now when I think back on it, that was pretty forward thinking for 1955.

    • Octavio

      Your father was practically a flaming red commie for saying that!

      • Leo Tallant

        I’m sure the hospital staff thought that they were dealing with a raging barbarian and decided to leave well enough alone LOL.

        • Librarykid

          Only because they lost out on the money they get for selling the tissue to big pharma for growing artificial skin for skin grafting. The family gets no remuneration, but the hospital makes money twice by charging for the circumcision and by selling the tissue.

          • Veylon

            There’s a lot of money in general for organ transplants. A lot of money for everyone but the poor sap who gives one up.

          • Jason Drew

            …and his parents who pay up front or pay in their taxes and sometimes pay for follow up corrective ops too.

          • Jason Drew

            We non cutting parents don’t even have to fork out for petroleum jelly, bandages, tape and pain relief gel.

    • Impressive. My mother told me it was just done, as par for the course (in 1968). Whatever consent there was on my parents’ part, it was basically, “okay, doctor”. I’m not angry with them, I just find that kind of thinking bizarre.

      • Crimminy

        When my brother was born in 1965, they just took him away and did it, without even telling my parents what they were going to do. My (uncircumcised) father was shocked and enraged that they would just do that to a newborn without even asking.

        • zhera

          Your brother should sue the hospital!

          • yachty

            For what? Improving his penis?

        • Gustav2

          The same thing happened to my nephew in 1970, they didn’t even ask.

        • That is what happened with our two eldest sons! They just took them away and brought back a crying, red faced newborn. When I asked why he was crying, was told they had just circumcised him! They asked before for the last two, but for reasons unknown to us now, we had them cut. I think it was so they would “match” and wouldn’t have something to tease each other about….?

        • pablo

          Same happened to me.

        • Common especially when the father is intact.

      • perversatile

        Like wise in 1965, slap snip and tit. Fortunately they didn’t do a very good job, so I get to play for both teams.

    • vorpal

      My penis escaped unscathed because my doctor said NO to my parents, telling them that he wasn’t willing to mutilate baby boys in the interests of tradition or aesthetics.

      Me and my peener are deeply indebted to him.

      • We need many, many more doctors like him, not ethics-free quacks who cut parts off babies because the parents ask them to.

        • yachty

          You aren’t even American….

          • Jason Drew

            That’s right, the world is watching the US and we are on to this problem.

          • “It is not called the ‘Partial Declaration of Human Rights’. It is not the ‘Sometimes Declaration of Human Rights’. It is the Universal Declaration, guaranteeing all human beings their basic human rights – without exception.”

            Ban Ki-moon, U.N. Secretary General, December 2010

            It’s not called the National Declaration of American Rights, either.

      • yachty

        Most circumcisions are done.outside the hospital these days……Lots of Mohels will do secular circumcisions these days. My boys were circumcised at my home.

        • Jason Drew

          They were tortured and damaged at your home.

          • yachty

            We had a parties around the events…..

          • Jason Drew

            Partying over child suffering grosses out more of the world’s people that you could imagine…and rightly so.

          • yachty

            What suffering? They had no pain, perhaps a pin prick. My 1 yo had a Lau theme….good time.

          • Except for him.

          • Ah, another Mohel who preps the infant boy away from everyone which is to tear into and tear apart the penis to gain entry to the closely fused inside, this means stretching connective muscle fibers beyond endurance. These thousands of minute poppings are audible. It like taking a spoon to pry off all the fingernails. So this makes the ceremony quicker being just the cut and best yet the infant is presented quiet in a dissociate state to the assembled for the body receedes on itself to escape the intense pain. This is how people can talk themselves into believing it didn’t hurt and slept right through it. Btw sweetened pacifiers result in making the infant’s facial features immobile. http://cpj.sagepub.com/content/25/8/412.abstract Neonatal Cortisol Response to Circumcision with Anesthesia
            (circumcision with local dorsal penile nerve block doesn’t work.)

            http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2810%2961303-7/fulltext Oral sucrose as an analgesic drug for procedural pain in newborn infants: a randomised controlled trial

            http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100901/hl_afp/healthbabiessugar_20100901230509 Facial paralyzing effects of sucrose

          • yachty

            Tortured…not!

        • vorpal

          Okay, and what was the purpose of having them circumcised?

          • yachty

            Cleaner. Healthier and better looking…

          • vorpal

            Cleaner: if you’re too lazy to take 10 seconds in the shower / bath, I supposed.
            Healthier: No reason to believe that.
            Better looking: It’s a matter of personal taste.

          • Jason Drew

            It takes about 2 seconds in the shower.
            Healthier? In what way? I never had a problem in that department at all and I can happily climb mountains.
            A place on the body where an amputation has taken place is almost never truly considered better looking. So you must admit it is very odd to prefer the look of an amputation on the penis. Bring in the psychologists to explain that one.

          • vorpal

            I suspect you meant to reply to yachty, since I completely agree with you.

            Only someone who is a disgusting slob in the first place will have trouble keeping their intact penis clean, and if they are indeed a disgusting slob, that’s probably the least of their concerns anyway.

            I have no idea where the notion that lopping off a part of the penis is healthier and someone is going to have to explain that to me.

            As for better looking, I also agree: an intact penis looks much more aesthetically pleasing to me than one that has had part of it chopped off, which often leaves discolouration and scarring.

          • Jason Drew

            Actually, I get far more sense out of you. : )

          • yachty

            Come on…..who wants an anteater dick? Disgusting……

          • Who wants to suck on a 30 year old scar?
            This includes the glans because all; the mucosa gets scar thickened when the adherent foreskin is torn from it. The tongue doesn’t lie. It knows the varying degrees of rough scarification. Only cut guys who have been cut after their naturally occurring foreskin / glans separation have about the same glans slick smoothness of the intact. (yes I do quiz) Furthermore a 45 yo cut in infancy,. on average has keratinization the thickness of 1 to 2 condoms. Do you even know how to eat skin? The slipperiness is fascinatingly yum.

          • The idea that cutting off more than half the penile covering is a fabrication based on simpleton idea that having less means less can go wrong. Of course we know the foreskin is the primary immune system of the penis and that it promotes health and healing with antibiotic secretions, and maintaining a constant pH. Also the langerhans secrete langerin which kills HIV. The foreskin protects the sensitive mucosa from outside physical and bio harm, frost and UV rays.

          • yachty

            However you look at it, being uncircumcised is disgusting.

          • Jason Drew

            Obviously you don’t understand English or logic very well.

          • vorpal

            However you look at it, having the username “yachty” is fucking disgusting.

            See how idiotic blanket statements work?
            I find uncircumcised penises far more attractive than circumcised ones: no scar tissue, no discolouration, and no weird textures.

            Most of the world outside of the US, Canada, and the Middle East do not engage in this barbaric ritual.

          • Jason Drew

            Most of Canada doesn’t any more.

          • vorpal

            It was funny for me growing up, because the small town I lived in had one pediatrician, who refused to perform circumcisions, so all my friends at a young age with the exception of one were intact. We were so shocked by his penis the first time we saw it and thought it was broken or something terrible had happened to it.

            Yeah, I believe the circumcision rate in Canada for baby boys is under 50% and falling. I’m glad to see the ever-increasing sanity. Chopping off healthy and functional body parts is barbaric.

          • My first seeing a cut penis, though I didn’t know it was cut, was a Filipino from across the street. He had darker skin which was different and so it followed his whole penis was just different.

          • yachty

            Canada is a socialist shithole.

          • yachty

            All Pacifica, Indonesia, about 50% Australia and becoming popular in Germany among non-Muslims.

          • Jason Drew

            Well, I know it’s only about 10% in Oz now, so, since your guess was way out and you talk like youz on drugs anyway you’re no scientist.

          • yachty

            They don’t count the ones done outside of hospital’s. The same as they do here……more and more are done in doctor offices or at home.

          • Jason Drew

            No, young parents in Oz have abandoned circ as a mad, sad period in Oz history.

          • Having experienced both, let me explain it this way. I chose circumcision, but I did not consent to genital mutilation, which is what circumcision does. Doctors lied then and some even today say there’s little to no change in pleasure. Here this man says it well:

            After Circumcision: “I barely feel anything at all until the end.” “I lost almost all the sensation in my penis.

            “I’d mistakenly attributed the sensations I’d enjoyed during masturbation to the glans being stimulated by the foreskin.””I made the mistake of electing to be circumcised as a healthy adult, having been born in non-circumcising Denmark and raised in circumcising Alaska. The stigmatization of uncircumcised men can be considerable – at least, that used to be the case in the US. Getting circumcised was–without serious competition — the single most idiotic decision I’ve ever made. I was circumcised successfully–everything went exactly according to plan–and yet I lost almost all the sensation in my penis. The little erogenous feeling I have I owe to a miserable scrap of mucosa on the underside of the distal end, proximal to the glans. I’d mistakenly attributed the sensations I’d enjoyed during masturbation to the glans
            being stimulated by the foreskin, but in fact it’s the other way around: the glans is mostly useful for its size and shape – it’s an excellent anvil against which to work and over which to roll one’s foreskin.
            Now, during sex, I barely feel anything at all until the end. Condoms are a total loser for me – and my difficulties maintaining an erection, much less attaining orgasm (to say nothing of actually *enjoying* the experience) force me to engage in risky sexual practices that I know I really ought to avoid.
            People make a lot of assumptions about how the penis works, and they’re wrong. The glans is not the most erogenous part – it feels only deep pressure and pain (to which it *is* very sensitive). The ‘inner lip’ of the tip of the foreskin is just about all men have to get by on. We owe our convictions about male sexual response to intuition, and intuition is not science. In fact, intuition is a great threat to science. Don’t make the mistake I did, boys.”

            JamesAgain123
            Nov 14th 2013, 19:02

            Comment to: http://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2013/11/circumcision-and-law

          • Jason Drew

            The glans has mostly pain receptors. The foreskin ridged band mostly pleasure receptors. Try scraping the glans with a fingernail. It’ll hurt. Do the same with foreskin, especially the tip / ridged band and you get exquisite pleasure.

          • No doubt. Just to take a pee this little retracting give a jolt of excitement. It’s common to be able to cum orgasm hands free by doing kegal while erect. Each clinch enlarges the glans a little w2hich `makes the foreskin retract a little, relaxing moves the foreskin to return forward. Repeating to get this minimal foreskin movement is enough to orgasm. Circ. sucks./

          • Jason Drew

            With an undamaged penis there’s no need at all to pull the skin back to pee. It creates a nice tube inside which turns the pee into a neat stream which you can easily direct with your fingers. It can take a while for a kid to learn how to pee straight with a foreskin; a reason some cut parents think he’s not peeing straight *because* of his foreskin so it needs to come off. Foreskin’s not a defect, it’s just a little more complex than a glans. Young kids can’t wipe their bottoms or their noses either; it doesn’t mean those things are faulty and need surgery to correct the problem. Jeez

          • Wait, I thought you said you are Jewish. These reasons are not the bases of Judaism. These reasons are 1920-30’s. secular based. A Jewish guy would feel insulted if these reasons were suggested as the sanctity of Judaic circumcision at least here in the USA.

          • yachty

            Cleaner, healthier and much better looking……Being uncircumcised is disgusting! 🙂

          • Jason Drew

            It’s easy to get money out of idiots.

          • yachty

            They were only $500 each……

          • vorpal

            Cleaner? Not particularly, unless you’re a disgusting slob.
            Healthier? Justification, please.
            Better looking? Subjective.

            Being a racist piece of shit is disgusting.

          • Jason Drew

            Making sex worse or less than it should be were always the original reasons for it. The 3 reasons you keep saying are the reasons they tell you to keep you thinking it’s a good idea and all for the best. Study history and you’ll see I’m right. I KNOW the 3 you keep pushing are all bull. I’m not being cruel, I’m being honest. Go after the scheming culprits, not the kind messengers.

          • I add this reality: there’s

          • Jason Drew

            I think you mean ‘theirs’.

          • yachty

            Dude, You are not even American…..aren’t you some south.American spik?

          • vorpal

            “Spik?”
            What the fuck is wrong with you?

            I’m a Canadian / American living here temporarily for work.

          • yachty

            You said Chile….so I assumed you were a spik/wetback

          • Okay what guy flies with you? An American Royal?
            Okay, I’m American and royal blood McGinness descendant

            of the Knights of the Red Branch, Guardians of the Fjord. Irish of Northern Ireland. See the Red Hand that me. As my anscestors were approaching their new land with lother clams in boats, they made a pact. The clan leader who touches land first, rules the land, boats neck to neck they were, close to land, my clan’s leader cut off his left hand and threw it to touch shore. Our city is called Rathfriland. George Bush comes from there. Ain’t that some shit! Yet I do not care who’s who or what from where. You’re stuck up and self indulging at others expense, elitist in mind but not in quality, as it shows you’re thinking with a circumcised dick. BTW it is wrong to exploit children especially when using their bodies as billboards for someone’s belief, be it parental, religious, and societal. Here’s more of my shit – https://justasnip.wordpress.com/2012/12/15/frankly-speaking/

          • yachty

            BFD! I am a Beck, as in Becks Beer! I could give a FF where your crap family is from! You are a disgusting uncut pig! I am the first to admit that I am a snob, as are my boys, wife, and mother! Uncut is filthy, unclean and ugly! Circumcision is at the least good hygiene.

          • Jason Drew

            You don’t know what you are talking about. You’ve never even seen a man who hasn’t been circumcised, you told us earlier.

          • yachty

            No, never have seen an uncut guy? Never in any school or club I have attended. Why would I say I never have seen a circumcised penis? I am happily circumcised.

      • Fantastic. Please correct me where you can. I’m 58 gay
        so I have a lot of male experience. In the realm of sexual performance, males who are cut don’t much like their glans played right after orgasm finding it annoying/painful. But intact men do not have this negative experience because they have all their pleasure receptors to override the glans’ more populated pain/thermal receptors 95% to pleasure receptors in the corona 5%. This means intact men do not need to stop and can go on to another orgasm, and another and on and on.
        Fact is nature is equitable, males and females are matched for maximum sexual pleasure. They are both equally multi orgasmic. Like 7 orgasms in 15 minutes. It’s my experience intact men and women both have the same sexual response. Cut guys have a much less sexual response. In gaydom, the friendly games of who can do the most guys, it was always the guys with foreskins who won, and did so effortlessly. I happy for you. Conversely, I know I am harmed by circumutilation – a truer construct from living the experience.

        • vorpal

          To be honest, that has not been my experience as an uncut gay guy. After I have done my thing and cum, I would rather stop and wait for awhile as it can indeed be uncomfortable to continue, especially after oral sex.

        • Jason Drew

          Lots of orgasms are possible but not lots of ejaculations. It takes practice though.

    • My father said “I don’t think so. There might be a lot of sensitive nerves down there” in 1942! With all his faults, I thank him for that, wherever he is.

      • yachty

        You are Eurotrash…..

        • Jason Drew

          ‘Trash’ is so American.

        • Jason Drew

          I’m glad I come from a nation that cares.

        • yachty has given ample reason for nobody to care what he thinks.

          • Jason Drew

            Thinks?

    • In 1957, the Providence Hospital in Oakland, California didn’t even ask about circumcision, nothing was said about it, so parents didn’t think about it. I remember mine well. rates would immediately go down 30% easily (study) if not solicited at the hospital. The reason it is asked before the infant goes home is because legally the infant and mother are the patient and so payment is part of birthing. Once outside the hospital, the infant is legally another individual.

  • Ninja0980

    My parents regret the choice they made but the hubby (who is uncut) is happy so I’m happy so it’s all good.

  • NZArtist

    Mothers who get their infant’s ears pierced creep the fuck outta me.

    • my mom did that to me. i don’t wear earrings, as an adult, b/c reasons. some of those reasons include the fact that my ears were not properly cared for when i was a child, around the incisions. i’m very annoyed at her, b/c even today i have issues with my ears in that area.

      • Octavio

        It all started with an innocent stop at the local mall’s earring stand . . .

        • This illustrates well how gentle constant tension can cause new skin to grow, the process used in foreskin restoration. It’s obviously not just “stretching”.

  • Hue-Man

    How many of these stories go unreported?

    December 2015: “A Montreal doctor has admitted to botching more than 30 circumcisions on babies dating back to 2010.”

    “The Quebec College of Physicians found that many of the babies suffered major complications and had to undergo corrective surgery.”

    http://globalnews.ca/news/2416152/quebec-doctor-admits-to-botching-circumcisions/

    • Octavio

      Too many. 🙁

    • vorpal

      Yeah, my only other long term relationship was with a guy who had a somewhat botched circumcision. Fortunately, it was a fairly minor botch, but still, he had a lot of anger towards his parents for having had him chopped when he was unable to give consent.

  • Octavio

    “If gawd hadn’t meant for men to have foreskins he wouldn’t have created them. Quit second-guessing Intelligent Design!”

    That should shut the Beckster up. (Who by the way has a short, fat cut do). 🙂

  • Jemima

    Scientific fact: by cutting off the foreskin you are restricting the normal growth and eventual length and size of the peeny. As it grows, a circumcised peeny is unable to extend to its normal length because the availability of skin is missing. You can claim “Oh that’s not right…” but logically, if you think about it, of course your are stunting the growth of a peeny by cutting off the room it needs to expand in. Does it look better? No. Does a dog without a tail look better?

    • NZArtist

      Docking of tails and cropping of ears in most breeds is now not done in this country. And, who knew! all the problems the ‘pro-docking-and-cropping’ people declared would happen never came to pass.
      It’s almost as though it was a purely cosmetic process all along.

      • BobSF_94117

        The only docking that should be allowed is with foreskins…

        • Cary Chauvet

          Yeah. I love docking…

          • NZArtist

            There’s room enough for two, here.

    • Sk3ptic

      Old wive’s tale. There are actually retrospective studies on this done with identical twins who were separated at birth: one who ended up circumcized, the other who didn’t.

      • M Lyndon

        Do you actually have a citation for this, as I’m skeptical of your claim. There are only a few hundred pairs of identical twins separated at birth, only about half of those will be male, and I’d guess only around 5% of those pairs will have one boy circumcised and one intact.

        Talarico and Jasaitis, 1973 and Richters et al., 1995, did find that circumcised penises were very slightly shorter btw.

  • Cary Chauvet

    Not only myself but I have five brothers and a husband all of whom are NOT circumcised. In the 7th grade we all had to take PE and that was the real first time that I saw a lot of circumcised dick. I thought it was so weird and wondered how any parent could cut up a baby they loved like that.

    At about that same time my best friend, Peter, who was Jewish, had his bar mitzvah. In the shower he had this beautiful uncut cock and when we messed around on sleepovers it was this long beautiful thing. After the ceremony he came back to school but refused to spend the night anymore confessing the “mohel”, the guy who does the cutting, cut off too much foreskin so that now, when he gets aroused, his head is turned downward as though it were bowing, so much so that he didn’t want anyone to see him hard. In the school shower, even flaccid, it looked odd enough that the other guys would make fun of him.

    • TexasBoy

      He didn’t have the surgery until his bar mitzvah? I doubt a mohel could even perform a circumcision on a 13 yo. That would need to be done in a hospital under anesthetic. A Mohel generally performs the surgery on a newborn infant.

      • madknits

        Some mohels are medical doctors. Both brises I’ve attended had mohels who were board certified pediatricians.

    • freelancewriternyc

      No Jew waits until his bar mitzvah to get circumscribed. Either you’re mistaken or …

      • Cary Chauvet

        From what I remember he was about to turn 13. His mother was not Jewish but his father was and insisted he be circumcised either before or during a ceremony celebrating his entry to manhood. At that period in my life I knew nothing about Jewish culture and thought it strange and painful to be circumcised at all. I could be totally wrong but I do know that after his ceremony he no longer had foreskin.

        • freelancewriternyc

          Extremely unusual, because the ritual has nothing to do with entry into manhood. If it’s not done in infancy, it has no religious significance — except for adult conversion.

          • Porkie

            As his mother was not Jewish he would also not be be Jewish, as Judaism passes from the mother to the children and not the father …so if he chose to become jewish at the point of the Mitzvah he would indeed be converting as an adult.

          • freelancewriternyc

            Good explanation. These days, children of mixed marriages are often given a sample of both religions, then choose when reaching adulthood.

  • JVB

    I’m so sick of this argument. I’m cut and it has never impacted my life one way or other. And I’m an equal opportunity dick lover, cut, uncut as long as it works, I don’t care.

    • It most certainly has impacted your life, but since you’ve never known anything else, you don’t know how.
      You say, “so long as it works”. If you look more closely you’ll see that it works rather differently depending on whether it’s cut or not. Watch how many fingers your cut and intact partners use to wank with, and where and how they use them. How many of each use the Grip Of Death?

    • Jason Drew

      But the main issue isn’t about your experience, it’s about everyone’s right to choose for themselves how they want their genitals to be and what risks, if any, they want to take.

  • Octavio

    I’ve never thrown a cut one out of bed, at least I can’t remember throwing one out, but I can’t imagine not being able to enjoy one of my favorite pass times: docking. We’ll often dock for hours together until it gets good and messy. Love cleaning it up. But thats TMI, I’m sure. Certainly is enjoyable, though. 🙂

    • vorpal

      It’s only TMI if you don’t provide the video.

      I would never throw a cut guy out of bed, but I’m not going to lie: finding out that a guy that I’m interested in is cut is always a disappointment.

      • Octavio

        Agreed.

    • zhera

      Yes, that is TMI. Teasing My Imagination.

  • i had a german male lover who was circumcised. i was like, “wow. you’re not a Jew. what’s up with that?” and it was some problem with his foreskin that happened when he was 4. he didn’t have fond memories of it but i guess it had to be done. his penis worked fine. he seemed to enjoy the sex we had also. heh.

    but NZ reminded me of why i finally made up my mind on this issue, not that it will ever matter to me as a non-breeder. my ears were pretty fucked up when i was a kid. if you cut my clit hood off, well. my partner would kill you. i’ve seen some really fucked up shit, as an anthropologist type, that people do to their parts b/c religion.

    it’s the traditionalists who have to get over themselves, imho. men will always have the right to mess with their bodies, as adults. if your religious rite says, “He’s a Man when he turns 12,” let *him* decide then, if he wants some creepy old guy in funny clothes to cut him. but not helpless babies.

    • freelancewriternyc

      Phimosis is a condition whereby erections are painful, cured by circumcision. Hard to see how that would be discerned in someone who’s 4, though.

      • It can be cured by other surgery or non-surgical means too. Cutting any part off will always cure any problem with that part, but there’s no other part we even think of cutting off before all alternatives have been exhausted.
        Phimosis is not an issue in a child: the foreskin adheres to the glans as a matter of course until it separates in its own good time – unless someone meddles with it.

    • pablo

      I hooked up with a guy from Ireland once who had a foreskin so tight you could retract it all the way. He had no trouble getting hard but couldn’t clean well underneath it so it was gross. In his case I might recommend circumcision if there was no way to stretch the skin.

      • Jason Drew

        His foreskin was either still fused to the head meaning there’s nothing to clean away from under it anyway, or if only his tip was tight then he can still clean it out with water in the bath or even with his pee by holding the tip and ballooning it out then releasing if he’s stuck in a desert for months or something. Tight tip is normally rare but can be caused by childhood premature force retraction damage causing a scar in the tip which stops it being stretchy enough to fit over the head. Force retraction is strongly advised against.

      • M Lyndon

        If someone can’t easily retract, then I’d say that that was a problem, both in terms of health and sexual enjoyment, and he should see a urologist. In Europe, phimosis is usually treated by stretching, steroid creams, or preputioplasty though, with circumcision as a last resort.

        • Jason Drew

          It depends. If the only reason retraction can’t be done is because he has the rare condition of still having his foreskin fully fused to the glans then since the foreskin is where most of the touch sensitive pleasure nerve endings are then he’s better off keeping his foreskin. If there’s no gaps under his foreskin then there’s nowhere for anything that might do with washing away to collect. The other methods you mentioned can come with their own problems and discomforts. It’s up to the man himself, though. Persuading a child it needs doing when he’s too young to even think about it properly is not good at all, sadly, in the States it’s still very common to get it done ‘when they’re a bit older’. I hate this. An accurate circumcision is much easier to achieve on an adult once the penis has finished growing. They do not all grow to the same size. Predicting how big it’ll be when he’s older, so how much skin can safely be removed, is impossible.

  • Jodie

    Since I feel that it’s a woman’s body, so it should be her own choice, same has to apply here. But if an adult male decides to get circumcised, wouldn’t it be worse on him than if he’d had it done as a newborn? Don’t be all hostile. I’m just asking. As a baby, at least he wouldn’t remember it and would mostly sleep through the pain.

    • freelancewriternyc

      Anasthetics

    • Gianni

      Yes it would. That would be his choice as an adult, but the pain and discomfort afterwards would actively steer almost all men away. Besides, men have a built in aversion to any cutting instruments approaching their goods.

    • Tempus Fuggit

      You’re probably right that an infant doesn’t consciously remember being circumcised, but conscious memories aren’t the only kind of lingering aftereffects. TTBOMK there’s evidence that trauma (circumcision definitely counts) occurring before an infant is old enough to form conscious memories nevertheless permanently and negatively affects the psyche.

      • Jodie

        You may be right. I’m not arguing. I’m not a psychologist, and I haven’t read anything about this, as you apparently have. I’ve just never personally met any guy that has a problem with his nether regions because he was snipped. And honestly, I’m not sure what I’d do if I ever had a son. I feel like it’s an irreversible thing I’m having done to him that he’s not even aware of, but at the same time…Most people feel it’s more hygienic to be snipped and I’ve also heard it helps men last longer due to the desensitization. I’m not a male, so I certainly couldn’t say, though.

        • M Lyndon

          1) There are dozens of groups of men who are unhappy about being circumcised. I’ve appended some links:
          2) Females genitals are harder to clean than men’s and they get way more infections, but we don’t cut parts off baby girls to make it easier for them to keep clean. Hygiene is about washing, not surgery.
          3) Most sensitivity doesn’t mean less control. Frisch 2011, Tang & Khoo 2011, Denniston 2004, and O’Hara & O’Hara 2002 all found that circumcised men were *more* likely to suffer from PE.

          http://www.mendocomplain.com
          http://www.circumcisionharm.org
          http://youtu.be/GVO6YzROkZE
          http://youtu.be/pZomvPwdK0A This is my friend Vance’s experience.
          http://foreskin-restoration.net/forum/showthread.php?p=106156#post106156 (View reader response at the bottom) http://www.angelfire.com/nm/helthe/childrights.html
          http://www.circumstitions.com/Resent.html
          http://www.circumstitions.com/resent-celebs.html
          http://www.circumstitions.com/regret.html
          http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/meet-the-circumcised-men-who-want-their-foreskins-back/
          http://foreskin-restoration.net/
          http://www.foreskinrestore.com/restored_foreskin.html An album I made full of statements from unhappily circumcised men https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.596204067121904.1073741840.399617766780536&type= 1 https://www.facebook.com/ISurvivedMutilation
          https://www.facebook.com/IAmNotThankful
          https://www.facebook.com/circumcisedmencomplain
          https://www.facebook.com/BloodstainedMenTheirFriends
          https://www.facebook.com/IAmCircumcisedAndHateIt
          https://www.facebook.com/I-want-my-foreskin-back-122515234497335/
          http://www.restoringtally.com/blog/2012/02/the-manhood-underwear-for-circumcised-men Over 18,000 members
          http://foreskin-restoration.net/forum/
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ8Kt6Vu4oE (Jewish man commenting on video of his own circ)

          • Jodie

            I never said that no circumcised men have issues. I just said that I don’t know of any that do. All I said…

        • Jason Drew

          I have friends who hate that they were circumcised and some have had lifelong physical problems and therefore also emotional problems because of it.

          Cleaning my intact penis takes about 2 seconds and it’s almost exactly the same as cleaning a circumcised one.

          Some circumcised men last too long. Think on that. Some I’ve spoken to can’t come at all. Not being cut (being intact, having a whole penis) doesn’t cause premature ejaculation, it increases his ability to feel and thereby control when he comes. How long a man lasts doesn’t depend on his cut status, though, as many other factors come into the equation. Anyway, if he comes too early he can do something else for a couple of minutes and then go again…and again.

          Lots of reading over the past year or more on this topic has taught me a lot about it.

          I’m sorry but circumcision damages the penis and diminishes a man’s sexual experience. That was the original (ab)use of it.

          The supposed health reasons for doing it have almost all been proven wrong by many doctors, researchers and scientists from around the world.

          I’m intact and have never had a single problem with it and neither have any of my partners.

          • Jodie

            I do prefer the look of a snipped guy better (Unsnipped guys look like turtles to me. Lol!), but if it’s unsafe for guys, I guess I’ll have to learn to deal with it. Kind of selfish to choose looks over safety.

          • Jason Drew

            The glans is actually a semi internal organ. If I want to see the insides of a woman’s genitals I ask first. I’ve never been denied this opportunity when I’m in a relationship. It’s the same with intact males. Ask and if you’re in a relationship with him he’ll probably be glad to show you. If you’re having sex with him most men won’t mind you just taking a look yourself anyway. It’s not difficult. I don’t expect women to go around with their vulvas perminently open for my pleasure.

          • Jodie

            Well, like I said…It’s just a preference in looks for me. But it’s selfish to ask someone to do something like that just for looks, especially if it’s risky and lowers their own satisfaction.

          • M Lyndon

            I think most men (not all) retract fully when they’re erect anyway, so they don’t look much different from circumcised men when it’s hard (but without the scar and the two colors, and less likely to have twists or bends). There’s huge variation though, probably more than in any other part of the body, and the same applies to women’s genitals.

            If you look up the galleries of botched jobs, one thing that may surprise you is just how many jobs were botched cosmetically, rather than medically. Skin tags, skin bridges, sideways curvature, and hair growing half way up the shaft are not normal, but would not be counted as medical complications.

        • Tempus Fuggit

          I suppose it’s a step in the right direction that you’re sort of thinking about it, but—excuse me for being blunt—if you ever have a son, you’ll really need to do better than this. Yes, it’s an irreversible thing you’re having done to him, removing healthy, normal tissue without his consent because he’s not capable of giving consent. That alone ought to be dispositive to a “no” decision: it’s his, not yours; hands (and knives) off.

          No, it is not the case that “most people feel it’s more hygienic”, that is an obsession of US organizations out of step with the rest of the civilised world. Soap and water are sufficient to keep the hands, the ears, the belly button, the space between the toes, and the uncircumcised penis as hygienic as can be. Perhaps our feet would be even more hygienic if we cut off infants’ toes? It’s a fatuous argument most of the civilised world’s medical minds reject.

          No, it is not the case that it “helps men last longer due to the desensitization”—perhaps one of the most far-fetched rationalisations I’ve heard, and even if it were true, that would need to be his own choice when he’s old enough, not yours when he’s an infant.

          I’d like to recommend picking some of these to read. The linked site is well managed and doesn’t tend toward shrill extremism.

          • Jodie

            I can’t remember, so forgive me if you’ve said, but are you snipped?

          • Tempus Fuggit

            Yes; please refresh the page and read my previous comment; I’ve added a relevant story.

          • Jodie

            Have you ever heard of anyone that wishes they had or had not be snipped? Just curious. I guess it’s just so common to snip baby boys these days, it’s usually assumed men are. I think it’d be informative to find a man that has experienced sex before and after being snipped.

          • M Lyndon

            Adult film star Rocco Siffredi (the “Italian Stallion”) called his decision “catastrophic” and that being intact “you can feel much more fun”.
            http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/02/circumcision/rocco-siffredi-penis-circumcision

            Adult film star Erik Rhodes
            http://erikrhodes.tumblr.com/post/8492704035/hi-erik-have-you-lost-sensitivity-since-you-got
            “So to answer the question, after getting all that out… yes i do regret it. I should have just looked for other options before letting some crazy asshole take a knife to my dick and yes i have lost sensitivity. It’s just not the same.”

            regular guy Nick Kusturis
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAHGFx95D80
            “After the circumcision I felt nothing, no sensation at all. I knew something wasn’t right, but I just thought if I waited, everything would get back to normal. So I waited, I was in denial for the longest time. One day it just hit me that this was not going to change.”

            Kim and Pang 2006 (255 men circumcised as adults)
            http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06646.x
            “About 6% answered that their sex lives improved, while 20% reported a worse sex life after circumcision.”

          • Jodie

            Huh. That’s very interesting. Wasn’t it believed to be medically necessary before? I mean, everyone’s not Jewish, yet a large majority of men are circumcised. Surely, at least before, there had to be a reason.

          • Jason Drew

            Why would male humans be the only being on Earth who need to be surgically altered to survive?

            It was guessed in the 1940s that circumcising soldiers going to war might help to limit STDs. So the US cut all men going to war. Once you’d signed up as a soldier you were ‘sold’ to the army and they could do what they liked to you. They were told it was for medical reasons. When they returned from the war the habit continued ‘for medical reasons’. It actually never was necessary to circumcise everyone for medical reasons. I’m sorry but just because someone in charge says something that doesn’t mean it’s therefore factually true. Life’s like that sometimes. There are other reasons it started / caught on but I say what I said is probably the main contributing factor. I think it’s the reason the State keeps so quiet on the subject these days.

          • M Lyndon

            I’m not making this up, but no-one except for Jewish people and Muslims would even be having this discussion if it weren’t for the fact that 19th century doctors thought that :
            a) masturbation caused various physical and mental problems (including epilepsy, convulsions, paralysis, tuberculosis etc), and
            b) circumcision stopped masturbation.

            Both of those sound ridiculous today I know, but that’s how they thought back then, and that’s how non-religious circumcision got started. If you don’t believe me (and I was initially skeptical), then check out this link:
            http://www.noharmm.org/docswords.htm
            or just look for any medical text from about 1850-1950 that mentions male circumcision or masturbation. Heck, they even passed laws against “self-pollution” as it was called.

            Over a hundred years later, circumcised men keep looking for new ways to defend the practice.

          • Jason Drew

            It’s the only reason I can think of why they usually remove the frenulum, too, because it’s known to be one of the pleasure centres of the penis. Cutting it off cut’s through the main blood supply to the maetal lips which close over the urethral opening of the glans. This blood loss makes them atrophy leaving the opening open to foreign matter and, therefore, an actual increased chance of infection. The body seems to compensate by making the opening grow over over time, restricting urine flow thereby leading to maetal stenosis. Just behind the frenulum is a major artery which if accidentally cut through can kill the poor child. Awful.

          • Reasoning101

            Circumcision of infants has never been considered necessary by any medical association in the world. Still isn’t.

            Necessary? It would be pretty outrageous to claim that all males are designed wrong, and in need of immediate surgical correction. Yet females are perfect.

            The reasons for American infant circumcision are:

            (1) Money – the average OB that does them lines his or her income with an extra $50K or so per year.
            (2) A belief that circumcision makes a boy less likely to masturbate. That was the chief basis for American circumcision starting in the late 19th century. There were no penile problems that led to circumcision being introduced. Intact American men were fine and not complaining.

            And it’s largely just an American thing. Europeans never practiced on-religious infant circumcision and still don’t. It was popular Down Under, but both NZ and Australia have abandoned it.

            More American exceptionalism, but exceptionally stupid.

          • Jodie

            Hey, I’m not arguing. I’m just asking. It couldn’t have been a strictly religious thing, as all parents that do it aren’t religious. My sister and her husband certainly aren’t religious, yet their son is circumcised.

          • Tempus Fuggit

            I don’t associate with the activist groups on the subject, but I nevertheless know a lot of men who wish they hadn’t been circumcised (please stop saying “snipped”; it trivialises and minimises the actuality). Me, I wish I hadn’t been circumcised. My husband likewise wishes he hadn’t been circumcised. That’s two of a pretty long list I could come up with just offhand.

            And no, it’s not “so common these days” as you might have been led to believe.

            It might well be informative to talk and listen with a man who can speak from firstdick experience about the difference in sex before and after, but that’s going to be a hard difficult man to find. Most who get circumcised as adults do so to treat a medical condition or an abnormality that’s causing pain; very few men choose to get circumcised otherwise. I suppose you might find a man who became an ardent enough Jew or Muslim to go through with it, but good luck getting him to talk about sexual pleasure, which god thoroughly disapproves.

          • Jodie

            I don’t mean to trivialize it. It’s just a shorter and easier word to type. Being lazy, I guess. Lol!

          • Tempus Fuggit

            Oh, I didn’t mean to suggest you were deliberately being dismissive or anything, I just meant to point out that words matter. “Cut” is even shorter than “snipped” and satisfies both needs; how ’bout that?

          • Jason Drew

            In the States there’s still loads of doctors who prescribe circumcision as a cure for just about anything. Genuinely needing a circ is rare.

          • Jason Drew

            That link is actually pretty biased towards pro circ.

          • Jason Drew

            Just one point: The glans is a semi internal organ like the eye. You wouldn’t put soap in your eye to clean it even though it would kill even more germs in your eye. Do you get eye infections because you don’t soap it up? No. Same with the penis. I very rarely soap under my foreskin and have never had a problem. Soap can destroy the natural environment under foreskin and cause excess smegma and smells because without our own natural defensive bacteria, microbes and antibodies alive there bad microbes could more easily flourish. Soaping inside genitals too much is known to cause problems. Don’t destroy nature; it’s not all bad. If you must soap you must rinse it all away. Don’t dry the glans, either. I never do. Again, no problems. An intact male’s glans is not entirely a dry organ, just like your eye. Because we’re modern humans I do clean with water there to keep fresh. The body evolved to cope well with water now and again, as did your eye.

    • M Lyndon

      We could cut parts off baby girls without it hurting, but that wouldn’t make it ok. Why don’t we just let everyone decide for themselves whether or not they want irreversible genital surgery? It’s their body after all.

      It’s not like it can’t wait. The USA (at 55% and dropping) and Israel are the only two countries in the world where more than half of baby boys are circumcised. Other countries circumcise, but not till anywhere from the age of seven to adolescence. Only about 10% of the world’s circumcised men were circumcised as babies. 70% of the world’s men (88% of the world’s non-Muslim men) never get circumcised.

      Even for people that think male circumcision is a good idea, there are very good reasons *not* to circumcise babies.
      You can’t use general anesthetic for a start – it’s not that you don’t have to, you can’t.
      The foreskin has to be separated from the glans (the most painful part). If you wait, it separates naturally, usually by around puberty.
      The post-operative pain will also be worse, and the wound will be in a diaper which is primarily there to contain urine and feces.
      The risk of major injury or death is higher, since you’re working with something smaller. The record payout for a botched circumcision is $22.8 million. It was said at the time that the victim “will never be able to function sexually as a normal male and will require extensive reconstructive surgery and psychological counseling as well as lifelong urological care and treatment by infectious disease specialists.” Sure, cases like that are very rare, but why should they happen at all?
      A newborn can die of blood loss after losing about three tablespoons of blood – way less than will be absorbed by a modern diaper.
      There is a 5-10% risk of a “revision” (effectively a second circumcision) after circumcising a neonate, versus almost a zero rate for juvenile or adult circumcision.
      Babies don’t have much of an immune system. At least one baby died after circumcision in New York after being infected with the coldsore virus for instance, and another got brain damage.
      It’s almost exclusively males circumcised as infants that get meatal stenosis.
      The child can’t give informed consent, and there are lots of men out there who are seriously unhappy about having parts of their genitals cut off. It’s *his* body, so why shouldn’t it be his decision?
      “For studies including boys born after 1995, there was a strong correlation between country-level (n=9) autism/ASD prevalence in males and a country’s circumcision rate (r=0.98). A very similar pattern was seen among U.S. states and when comparing the 3 main racial/ethnic groups in the U.S.”
      Bauer, Kriebel, 2013 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23656698
      Frisch, Simonsen, 2015 http://jrs.sagepub.com/content/early/2015/01/07/0141076814565942.abstract (free to download)
      “Results: With a total of 4986 ASD cases, our study showed that regardless of cultural background circumcised boys were more likely than intact boys to develop ASD before age 10 years (HR = 1.46; 95% CI: 1.11–1.93). Risk was particularly high for infantile autism before age five years (HR = 2.06; 95% CI: 1.36–3.13). Circumcised boys in non-Muslim families were also more likely to develop hyperkinetic disorder (HR = 1.81; 95% CI: 1.11–2.96).

      • Jodie

        Didn’t I say the same principle must apply here as does the whole woman’s body is her own choice? I’m not disagreeing.

    • Reasoning101

      Worse? No:

      (1) Adult gets to keep his frenulum.
      (2) Adult circumcision removes relatively half as much penile skin.
      (3) Foreskin is a free, loose structure in adulthood. In a newborn, it’s fused like Velcro to the glans. Average age for becoming completely separated is 10.4 years.
      (4) Adult consents.
      (5) Adult understands what’s happening to him. Infant only knows he’s being murdered starting with his penis.
      (6) Adult gets adequate pain relief before, during and after. Usually, general anesthesia is used – because circumcision is not minor surgery. Most infant circumcisions are done with no anesthesia still, and what’s available for use on a newborn is insufficient.
      (7) Infant circumcision is a hit to the brain. Adult circumcision happens after the pathways to the penis are established.
      (8) It is now known that infants feel pain acutely, including in the genitals. Circumcision pain studies have followed boys to adulthood and found that undesirable changes to pain thresholds last a lifetime. (Taddio)
      (9) Glans and meatus have completed their neurological and anatomical development by puberty.
      (10) Adults get to choose the style. Babies don’t. (High and tight, Low and tight, High and loose, or Low and loose.)
      (11) Complications from adult circumcisions (“botches”) are almost zero. In infants it’s 2-8%, or about 75,000 a year. Some are life-threatening.
      (12) Deaths from adult clinical circumcisions are, in fact, zero. In the US 100+ infant boys die every year from severe circumcision sequelae.

      There’s a dozen reasons for you.

    • Jason Drew

      Circumcision is damaging. So why do it in the first place?

      • yachty

        It perfect the imperfect.

  • Ritual Genital Mutilation is a Crime

    • Gianni

      Only on women. I have long held that it’s time to even things up. I’ll support either way: infant girls along with infant boys get circumcised or no one does unless it is some sort of medical necessity.

      • This senior lawyer argues that it is a crime regardless of the child’s sex, it’s just not enforced for purely cultural reasons.
        https://vimeo.com/78999394

        • Gianni

          I have long considered it a terrible infringement on a helpless baby. His genitals being mutilated because the parent/parents want to follow some sort of long-standing tradition with no medical necessity at all. Parents should absolutely not be permitted to have a baby circumcised. They’re his sex organs and only his. As long as everything is in order, no surgery should be used to make it look acceptable to parents just because……..

  • freelancewriternyc

    Having had lots and lots of empirical experience, I have to conclude I’m glad I’m circumscribed, if only because it’s so COMPLICATED when there’s foreskin.

    • IntactivismIsProsemitic

      Have you read any of the papers documenting empirical evidence of permanent neurological change? Do only women deserve to have a complicated sexual experience? Are only women worthy of having control over what happens to the reproductive system that is part of the body which they own? What about intersex children? What about males? Are we not all sentient beings? Are we not all divine creatures?

  • freelancewriternyc

    The reality is that this issue is a non-issue for the vast majority of gay men. Maybe that will change someday, but the size of the “demonstration” speaks for itself.

    • IntactivismIsProsemitic

      Citation needed. Of the gay men I have spoken to, and I speak about this issue a lot, 99% of them agree that growing up in a foreskin phobic culture has hurt themselves, their friends, their families, or their neighbors emotionally, psychologically, or sexually. We all know someone who has been hurt. Even if it is a minority of people, should we just dismiss their concerns because they are a minority? This is recognized as hatred and bigotry when it comes from the mouths of homophobes when speaking about how few gay people there are.

  • 2patricius2

    I sure wish I had had a choice. But all I could do as a baby was cry when the deed was done.

  • another_steve

    On behalf of myself and all other culturally Jewish male readers and commenters here on JMG, let me say this:

    We demand our foreskins back.

    Give us back our fuckin’ foreskins.

  • Aman InAmsterdam

    Luckily the majority of men in Europe are uncut. So much sexier. Glad we do not have this ridiculous health obsession, just the religious nuts. Child abuse.

  • I’m surprised he could take time between his weeping and vapors to host a radio program. Does he still do the pretty girl in makeup hand wave when he cries to keep his mascara from running?

  • sfrugger

    As a possessor of a botched circumcision, it’s unsettling to read so many people here saying it’s ok to cut babies. And because theirs is OK, it’s OK for everyone to have it done to anyone without consent.

    I had no choice in the matter. Like many others in the early 70’s it was just done automatically and without parent discussion.

    At the end of procedure, I was left with too little skin on my shaft. And NO feeling in my head (It’s completely numb).

    Yes, I can have sex and cum, but the only feeling I have is on my shaft.

    • Macbill

      How tragic. I’m so sorry it happened.

  • Survey Programmer

    What IS Beck smoking? Intactivists are not attacking Jews, they’re standing up for the U.N.-recognized rights of children to bodily integrity and eventual autonomy over their own bodies. Jews constitute less than 1% of non-therapeutic circumcisions in the world. In the U.S., where circ rates are falling, 50% of non-Jewish parents still subject their sons to non-therapeutic circumcision. Around the world, non-therapeutic circ is inflicted upon Filipino, South Korean, Australian Aboriginal, African Tribal, and Muslim boys. in the U.S., Jewish men and women constitute about one quarter of the intactivist movement. Even in Israel, more parents are choosing the non-cutting Bris Shalom (http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/even-in-israel-more-and-more-parents-choose-not-to-circumcise-their-sons-1.436421) So much for anti-Semitism.

  • GanymedeRenard

    So I’m engaged in a debate with a demi-troll on another comment board who claims that, if I consider infant circumcision to be genital mutilation, then by the same token I’d need to call the gender reassignment surgery of a trans person also a mutilation. The argument of consent doesn’t seem to convince this demi-troll. Any ideas, fellow JMGers?

    • Beagle

      I would argue consent. The infant cannot consent to circumcision. Gender reassignment surgery is only — at least as I understand it — performed on adults that know full well what they’re doing and the consequences. And I’d argue that gender reassignment surgery on an unconventional person is mutilation.

      • GanymedeRenard

        See that’s the thing. The demi-troll won’t accept the consent argument. To him (and I’m sure it’s a he at this point), if a person “chops off” (his words) a “perfectly functional body part” then that’s mutilation regardless of the consenting factor. Arghhh! He’s driving me nuts! Should I just stop replying?

        • Man_in_the_mists

          Yes, and call him on not accepting the consent argument.

          “Of course you don’t accept it. It completely shatters your argument.”

        • When you have established that the person you are talking to is think and cannot understand a reasoned argument, walk away. Your efforts are better spent elsewhere (unless you think your arguments are bearing fruit among the lurkers).

      • “Gender assignment surgery” is performed on Intersexed children, but the Intersex community is having more success than the Intactivist community in getting doctors to stop. It is now illegal in some countries (www.circumstitions.com/Maps.html#igc ), and protocols are being established that won’t include surgery for any but pressing medical need.

        A significant proportion of the time, adults’ guesses about what sex the intersexed baby will idenfity with are wrong. The Intersexed community has looked in vain for ANY Intersexed person who is happy about the surgery that was done to them.

        • Beagle

          I didn’t know that. Thanks for correcting me.

    • Tempus Fuggit

      Yep, I’d say read and heed this (don’t forget the mouseover).

      • GanymedeRenard

        Haha!

  • TheSeer

    Mutilating the genitals of children is beyond barbaric.

  • AJD

    I’m uncut. I like being uncut. I don’t like that most Americans are cut on the basis of dubious medical grounds that are merely a holdover from idiotic Victorian prudishness, as well as dumb conformity (by contrast, it’s mostly or entirely died out in other English-speaking countries). I think if you’re not from one of rare cultures where circumcision is a millennia-old tradition (eg Jews, Muslims, Filipinos, etc), there is absolutely, 1,000% no reason to have your son circumcised; there is no problem circumcision purportedly addresses that good hygiene and safer sex practices don’t already. And if you prefer guys to be cut, I think there’s something deeply fucked up about that, and it says a lot about the stupidity of American society in general.

    That being said, these “intactivists” don’t do anyone any favors.

    • So how would YOU go about getting this practice to end? I have my own reservations about this wording and some of these tactics, but the Bloodstained Men at Superbowl are raising awareness and alerting parents that infant male genital cutting is neither harmless nor trivial.
      You should bring yourself up to speed on the actual risks and harms of MGC. They go all the way to loss of the penis and death, with many more cases of impaired sexual functioning, bad aesthetic outcomes and just unhappy men (the only people whose opinion counts for anything).
      And why should the parents’ beliefs get an automatic “Get Out Of Jail” card? There’s no guarantee the man will share those beliefs, and plenty of old customs were evil too. Age is no defence.

    • Jason Drew

      What would you recommend these intactivits change to be more favourable?

  • Tora Spigner

    Why can’t every boy, girl and intersex child grow up with their own genitals, untouched by adults? No cutting, no removing, no changes until they can make that decision themselves, as adults. So then they can experience their sexual lives the way they were meant to, hopefully fully, with passion and joy.

  • M Lyndon

    Being against infant male circumcision isn’t anti-Semitic any more than being against infant female circumcision is anti-Muslim. It’s about children’s human rights.

    Not all Jewish people believe in infant circumcision. Brit Shalom is an alternative naming ceremony to celebrate the birth of baby boys (and girls) to Jewish families. These are just some of the sites run by Jewish people opposed to infant circumcision:

    jewishcircumcision (org)
    jewsagainstcircumcision (org)
    circumcision (org)
    beyondthebris (com)
    cutthefilm (com)
    britshalom (info)

    Many of the earliest intactivists, including George Wald, Suzanne Arms, Edward Wallerstein and Paul Fleiss, were Jewish.

    “It is with the greatest hesitation, since I have no right and know so little, that I should like to suggest to my fellow Jews that perhaps the time has come to redeem the foreskin itself, rather than sacrifice it. Surely some substitute might be found for this rite, perhaps even involving a token drawing of blood from an older child, that would be preferable to this assault upon and mutilation of a newborn infant.”

    George Wald
    Jewish American scientist and Nobel Laureate

  • Greg Hartley

    All children, regardless of gender, culture or parental religion, have a fundamental right to keep all their healthy, functional genitalia. Since an infant is incapable
    of religious beliefs, imposing an irreversible body alteration on him violates
    the freedom to choose his own religion as an adult. It differs from education, which can be changed. My body belongs to me!

  • rickhfx

    The scar on most cut dicks is gross and painfully inflamed looking, skin tags or skin attachments, barf, the head dry cracked and rough yuck, The uneven skin colors and sugary crooked scar, makes my skin crawl and not in a good way. The lack of foreskin to play with, it’s like you have half a dick.

  • Kai

    Just proves Beck will jump on any chance to get a check from Israel. No offense to the good Jewish people whom do understand that old way is no longer a requirement to worship a religion and is the root ,or core of their identity as a people is not involving genital mutilation . Beck will exploit that for his own benefit ,just like he does everything. Christians and Catholics are forbidden the barbaric practice by deity ,scripture and papal decree. Someone as foul as Beck ,would exploit even advocates for children’s rights ,just as he would the children being mutilated themselves .
    It’s 2016 . What is “fringe” are any ,fundamentalist people ,exploiting religion ,for power ,and to mutilate children’s genitals ,when it is not required ,needed ,and violates the constitutional and fundamental human rights of the child .
    We no longer tolerate any religious excuses to circumcise female children in this nation . Beck ,and any one , wanting to mutilate children’s genitals ,can pack it up and leave this Republic ,if they cannot see reason and respect constitutional rights of the child equally and above any forced religious mutilation rituals .
    Peaceful Jewish Parents get that . Unfortunately ,some like Beck ,that may not even be Jewish ,will exploit it . Even against the religion and people.

  • fuzzybits
  • fuow

    Christ on crutches! You fucking bitches have done nothing throughout this entire thread but prove the point:
    You’re out-of-your-fucking minds hysterical on this subject.
    Seriously, the comparison of female genital mutilation to male circumscision?
    Saying I’m telling people what to do with their male babies?
    Demanding that I recognize that my lived experience is not real?

    You’re fucking nuts. No wonder you experience so much blowback.
    And the hilarious thing about it – I never dreamed of having our adopted son circumcised. When he and his wife were discussing the procedure for their two boys, my husband and I both clearly said: We’ll support you (against) the rest of the family in your decision to leave them un-cut.

    You’re not making winning arguments, you’re just being bitchy because I won’t share your glass of whine with you.

    • Robert Adams

      Get a grip on yourself

      • fuow

        Robert, we’ve been down this road many times over the years and it always ends the same way as this time, I usually skip these threads and somebody else is chosen as the enemy of all that is PC.
        I understand that it is an emotional issue for some, but have you read this entire thread?
        This is not the way to gain support. At.All.

        • IntactivismIsProSemitic

          When a newborn child experiences sexual torture at birth, it is very different from an older person who undergoes general anaesthesia and is knocked unconscious during the procedure. One is sexual torture, the other is not. Imagine how people feel when they live in a culture that thinks sexual torture is ok to do to people while they are alive. Imagine how it hurts their soul to be denied acknowledgement of their feelings of rape and violation. That is how some people feel, including myself. Believe me, I would love nothing more than to stop feeling this way, but when I read your words I feel threatened. Like I am going to be sexually tortured again, when I am reincarnated and have the misfortune of being born to the an unthinking hologram of a person who has done no scientific research but thinks his own experience is all that matters. It is a petulant childlike attitude. “I like having no control over what happens to my body, so NOBODY gets to have control over their body or their feelings or their thoughts.”

          You fear another holocaust? Because if there is another holocaust you best not be circumcised. Hey I know, we can invent medical benefits and circumcise the Goy! Then we Jews will be able to blend in like zebras. You fail to realize that all circumcised people are, in some sense, intact with the Jewish identity. Perhaps they are self-loathing narcissists and think they deserve to be “chosen” by G~d for genital mutilation because they are such special snowflakes, such strong manly men that they didn’t even cry when their penis was neurologically amputated. Sound a bit like Patriarchy. Toxic Masculinity. Gynocentrism. Only girls deserve to have a chance at hiding out during the next holocaust. Being stripped, classified as a Jew, and incinerated. What a great tool! How convenient we make it for them to pick us out and persecute us! We are fools. We know not what we do.

          • fuow

            And just which of my words make you feel threatened?
            Seriously?
            This micro-aggression shit is not helping your movement.
            And, no, I will never permit any of you intactivists to trivialize female genital mutilation by saying it’s the same as male circumcision.

          • Jason Drew

            Most US style circumcisions remove around 50% of the penile skin, the best 50%.

            I’ve never known an intativist to trivialise FGM. The fact is, although some FGM styles take the entire outer organ away on purpose with other styles taking other amounts, most only take away a teeny, tiny sliver or make a tiny knick. It’s all wrong, though.

        • Robert Adams

          People are free to think what they want. I think mutilation, be it piercing, tattoos, or circumcision for any reason, be it enhanced self-esteem or adherence to an ancient mythology, is a bad idea. We accept poking holes in our ears, noses, or navels, but then turn around and believe someone who uses a razor blade to make superficial skin slices on themselves repeatedly is suffering from some mental disorder. You want to do any of that, be my guest. But imposing it on a helpless infant is a criminal offence except….for some ancient mythological belief.

          Believe what you want. I know, without a doubt that mutilating infants is just plain stupid and should be an across-the-board criminal offence.

    • IntactivismIsProSemitic

      Hey juow, buddy. Can you define “genital mutilation” in a way that is not gynocentric? I have a bet with my intactivist buddy who believes that you can’t do it. I have faith in you.

      I have witnessed a circumcision. What I saw was a conscious,
      sentient being experiencing sexual torture as he screamed and squirmed
      while bound and restrained. I did not see a person continuously,
      enthusiasticly, affirmatively consenting to the penetration and
      destruction of most (neurologically speaking) of his genitalia.

      You
      have to remember that “nerve endings” are merely specialized neurons.
      There is a “nerve beginning” for each of the 20,000 pleasure giving
      nerves in the foreskin. (For comparison, there are 1000 in the head of
      the penis and 8000 in the head of the clitoris.) The site in the brain
      where the foreskin is normally connected to undergo sensory deprivation
      and reorganization. Circumcision literally alters the neurological
      structure of the brain. It is not just a penis alteration. It is brain
      (nervous system) surgery. It changes how you experience life, how you
      perceive this world. To the spiritually minded, this is a very intimate
      change. It is cognitive and spiritual alteration.

      Only the owner
      of the neural network itself can offer consent to undergo modification.
      To impose such a thing on another is anti-Semitic. Circumcision is a
      thing you to do your SLAVES. Your PROPERTY. We have a duty to protect
      children from unnecessary violence. As parents, we are guardians of
      children, not owners. We are not slave masters. We are divine beings! We cannot own other divine beings! We are not YHWH!

  • skeptical_inquirer

    I am basically against it mostly on the principle of bodily autonomy and it doesn’t have a real health benefit. Even though freak accidents are rare (I remember one incident where one poor kid had his penis burned off), I don’t see the point in risking the freak accident. I can probably find a link if you like.

    I also think children are already treated too much like the possession/furniture of their parents already and we don’t need to encourage that mentality. After all, suppose a parent wanted to cut off a toe? Or a finger? Or even a ear? The cleanliness excuse also raises my goose pimples because it’s often used for female genital mutilation. (Yes, I know male circumcision and fgm are very different in results. I remember one doctor said one girl’s scar tissue was so bad, she couldn’t consummate the marriage until the doctor cut a hole in it. I just find purity/cleanliness obsession to hit my alarm bells extra hard.)

    Also, I’d like to point out that there was a rash of brain damaged/dead kids because some rabbis insist on using their mouth to suck the blood and ended up spreading oral herpes instead of using a sterile tube. I’m still angry that it’s not better regulated.

    • M Lyndon

      That freak accident you’re think of is probably the David Reimer case, but there are plenty of other such “freak” accidents.

      The record payout for a botched circumcision is $22.8 million. It was said at the time that the victim “will never be able to function sexually as a normal male and will require extensive reconstructive surgery and psychological counseling as well as lifelong urological care and treatment by infectious disease specialists.”
      Sure, cases like that are very rare, but why should they happen at all? If you look up the galleries of botched jobs, one thing that may surprise you is just how many jobs were botched cosmetically, rather than medically. Skin tags, skin bridges, sideways curvature, and hair growing half way up the shaft are not normal, but would not be counted as medical complications.

  • joseph4gi

    Right, because Jews are the one and only group of people in the United States who circumcise their male newborns. Glen Beck, and anyone else who makes this accusation is smoking some serious crack.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    The reason they cut off part of the penis is because the religious people think that if they don’t then boys will masturbate. News flash they do it anyway. Stop cutting off parts of the penis. If a man who is 18 years old wants to cut it off then let him but stop cutting parts of children’s penises off. It is cruel torture and it should be a crime.

  • If male genital cutting were the beginning and end of Judaism, there would be something seriously wrong with Judaism. Fortunately it is not, and more and more Jews are opting to name their sons without cutting them: http;//britshalom.info

    96.5% of male genital cutting in the USA is not Jewish, so it is ridiculous of Beck to focus on that tiny minority.

  • JCF

    Because if I want to know what is/isn’t an “attack on Jews”, I’ll of course turn to Mor(m)on Glenn Beck!

  • IhavemyFULLpenis

    Glenn Beck, I think you should have read the signs a little more carefully. Our demonstration at Fisherman’s Wharf, like all of our demonstrations, are protesting the sick practice of mutilating a childs genitals against their will. Not only does it violate that infants natural born right to bodily autonomy, it also violates his right to religious freedom.

    You see, when you carve your beliefs, whether that be a religious belief or a social belief like “health benefits”, you are stripping that child entirely of the ability to make that choice for himself. It’s a human rights violation plain and simple. This is not an attack on Semitism, it’s an attack on a corrupt medical procedure that’s rooted in fear mongering. In the USA, religious circumcision aside, it started in the late 1800’s as a “cure” for masturbation. Research John Harvey Kellog (yes, the Corn Flakes Guy).

    There is not a single medical organization in the world, the American Academy of Pediatrics included, that recommends infant circumcision. You will also not find a single empirical peer-reviewed scientific study verifying that true health benefits exist. The fact is this, the foreskin serves a very important role in penile health, and the only way to prevent STDs is condoms. The primary motivator now, is pure profit. Why do you think operas face cream is made out of neonatal foreskin? Let that simmer.

    I have a fantastic wealth of resources at my disposal, including some of the oldest names in the anti-circumcision movement, if you like to have a real conversation about it instead of just blind criticism.

  • SoCalVet

    It’s simple…quit cutting the ends off of your babies’ penises. It’s abusive and without consent of the owner of the penis.

    • IntactivismIsProSemitic

      Amen SoCalVet!

      Penetrating, ripping off, clamping and cutting to be a little more gruesomely accurate. Babies are not owned by parents. Amen! Parents serve as guardians of the baby. We aunts/uncles, siblings, cousins, and neighbors also share in this duty. We are a community. We must stand with our newborn brethren. We must remind the world that it the baby who owns the its genitalia. The babies cannot speak for themselves. We must serve as their attorneys. We love those babies more than their ignorant, traumatized parents can. We must speak up on behalf of the dead.

      Let’s offer to our families to video tape the circumcision. Zoom in on your nephews face and screams. Start a legal fund. Mail the tape to your nephew at age 18. Connect him with the intactivists who are also lawyers. Help your nephew write a letter to the ACLU. Post their rejection letter in public (they are rabidly pro-genital mutilation). Write your congressman. Post their inadequate response. (They are too afraid of being called anti-Semitic. This is third rail shit.) We will be heard before the Supreme Court one day, and we will triumph! It is simple.

      “It’s the consent, stupid!”

  • Kathryn Thomason Cleveland

    Wow! How ignorant! I can’t believe he didn’t even look into the matter before making judgments. And he used the word “bizarre” describing the protest? What is bizarre is that our society accepts male genital mutilation as normal. We are able to see that female genital mutilation is dangerous, cruel and unnecessary, but we have been conditioned to accept the same practice if done to our boys. Put on your thinking cap, Mr. Beck.

  • Cynthia Maloney

    I’m glad you are discussing this topic on your show. The intactivist movement is a worldwide movement to end the genital mutilation of ALL children, male, female and intersex. All children have a right to an intact body. Before spouting off with the anti-Semite card DO YOUR RESEARCH. There are many Jewish people in this movement. The vast majority of American babies who are being subjected to this brutality are NOT Jewish but the blind American Sheeple who pass off their babies to doctors who are making a huge profit off of the sale of stolen foreskin. Intactivists are calling attention to the damage caused by forced gentile cutting. We are calling out the doctors who profit from it. And we are calling out parents who think it’s their “right” to carve their own sexual preferences into the body of a child who cannot consent, resist or escape.

  • Jason Drew

    BTW, forced retraction of the foreskin, once popular in the States, is very painful, potentially very damaging and strongly advised against, now, even by the AAP. Medics have recently lost court cases over doing it. If you’ve ever heard of someone who’s had any physical problem with his foreskin it’s likely due to damage caused by forced retraction; it wasn’t the foreskin’s fault. It is not at all necessary to force retract, ever, but you have to watch US medics like a hawk because some are still in the habit of doing it.

    In case you’re not aware, in most babies the head is naturally fused to the foreskin to protect it and the tip closed only enough for him to pee for the same reason and some people erroneously think you need to be able to pull the skin down to clean under it while they’re young, you don’t. Ability to be able to retract the foreskin occurs naturally over time, and it is not a problem. Sadly, knowledge of the normal whole penis is still lacking in much of the USA.

    Having a right to keep your whole body in a healthy state the way it was made has nothing to do with anti-simetism.

  • He’s “confused” by the rainbow. Because…… ? No shocker he thinks letting a man have his whole penis is an attack on jews if colors confuse him.

  • Their hilarity sounds somewhat desperate. They can’t think of one function for the foreskin? Well, just look at where it is, and how it works, and think “natural French tickler” (but for both partners) and it should be obvious.

    What’s “weird” is the grim determination to cut parts off baby genitals. If it weren’t so customary in the USA – as it isn’t in the rest of the developed world – they’d see that immediately. Surely there’s something just a little odd about cutting part off the penis of every boy baby without knowing its functions?

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  • Brother K

    DON’T FALL FOR THE CIRCUMCISION SCAM … More American parents are following the advice of the European medical community, which has condemned American doctors for circumcising baby boys. The Royal Dutch Medical Association reports: “International physicians protest against American Academy of Pediatrics’ policy on infant male circumcision. Circumcision conflicts with children’s rights and doctors’ oath and can have serious long-term consequences, state an international group of 38 physicians from 16 European countries in Pediatrics today.” http://knmg.artsennet.nl/Nieuws/Overzicht-nieuws/Nieuwsbericht/129608/International-physicians-protest-against-American-Academy-of-Pediatrics-policy-on-infant-male-circumcision.htm

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      Thanks Bro. We’re flooding the other place. ; ) Like you say, people love their children. They’ll see what was done to them. More children are saved every day. Thank you.

  • Jason Drew

    Doing this to children is at the heart of this and it’s something most of the world finds totally disgusting. It only seems normal if you’ve been raised to know no better and you believe babies can’t really feel pain because that’s what you’ve been told. Well, seeing a baby writhing in obvious agony, being sick, while its trying to scream long after its lungs are empty, jerking precisely whenever a new cut is made and the cutter claims the baby is only crying because it’s cold makes me feel worse than I want to describe here and most of the world is sickened by it, most are just too polite to openly say so.

    I’ve seen a circ happening like this 30 years ago and I’ve hated circ of children ever since. Since then I’ve seen many more similar circs being done to children of different ages with the child screaming just the same. Often no attempt is made at all to even begin to soften the pain. As an intact man I know it’s not only useless skin that is removed, it’s far, far more than just useless; it has many good reasons for being there. Most males live healthy lives never having any problems with it at all. It’s a lie that he’ll be healthier being circumcised which is peddled to convince people to do it or to convince a boy or man he’s better off so he doesn’t complain. Many circumcisers (I wish I didn’t keep feeling I should call them that) know exactly what they’re taking away, the future man’s sexual pleasure region. Foreskin has many more functions than just that though.

    Boys and men are perfectly able to live normal lives still intact, as are girls and women. It’s beyond cruelty to take all this away from someone and beyond cruelty to torture anyone for this reason, especially a child.

    We’re not talking about cultural fashion, we are talking about child sex torture. Call me what you like. What I said, stands.

    If you believe you invisible, silent god said to do it because someone you don’t know who lived thousands of years ago wrote something on a scroll saying so then what’s more likely? An invisible silent hod spoke to him or his boss or someone wanted their people to believe a being they can’t complain to said it must be done. Doesn’t it ever dawn on you why someone in the past might have wanted to tell people ‘God said’? It’s more than likely that is was that person who wanted it done for some reason. What that reason or what the reasons might have been could be anything.

    I don’t want any harm done to anybody, that is the point, and I don’t like hatred towards anybody. If it’s your culture your culture can change and needs to change as it has obviously changed in the past. It obviously didn’t used to be done. Once upon a time your culture didn’t do it. There have been other times in the past when your culture didn’t feel the need to do it. You’re not stuck in the past with most things in your life and I don’t see anyone or any deity raging over your mobile phones etc so why stick in the past with this genital cutting thing? There isn’t any reason for it other than, perhaps, other people in your culture pressurising you to do it. Are they your religion? Are they your culture? Are they your child’s body?

    This practice hasn’t, isn’t and won’t ever be respected by most people in the world and neither will the cultures that do it ever be truly respected either.

    Stop destroying this part of nature and stop abusing children. You’ll be better off for it.

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    Immunological protection.

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