MEXICO: Same-Sex Marriage Legalized In Jalisco State After Unanimous Ruling By Supreme Court

In a unanimous 11-0 ruling, today the Mexican Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage in the state of Jalisco, home to the popular gay resort Puerto Vallarta, and Guadalajara, the nation’s second largest city.

Same-sex marriage is legal and recognized in all of Mexico’s 31 states, but Jalisco becomes only the sixth state to allow same-sex marriages without a complex legal petitioning process that can take up to one month and cost $1000.

Jalisco today joins the states of Chihuahua, Coahuila, Guerrero, Nayarit and Quintana Roo, the federal district of Mexico City, and the city of Santiago de Querétaro, capital of Querétaro state, in allowing marriages to take place free of the above-described nonsense. For more on Mexico’s complicated marriage journey, read Rex Wockner’s excellent status report.

  • Michael Rush
    • AJayne

      Photo of the city above looks more like a painting, doesn’t it? Pretty place.

      • Michael Rush

        Especially contrasted to the filthy melting snow !

      • Phil2u

        It’s Puerto Vallarta; it has been gay-friendly for years. Guadalajara, the capital of the state of Jalisco, is often called Mexico’s most “Mexican” City.

        • TuuxKabin

          In the early 2000’s el husbian and I happened to be in Guadalajara when they held an AIDS Memorial March. It was to be conducted in silence. And it was! The turnout was impressive. We marched with a group that seemed to be families who lost a family member. Traffic came to a stand still, people came to the office windows to watch, pedestrians, everyone came to a halt, and were silent. The ‘sympatico’ was beautiful. Mexico lindo! Como te quiero!

      • Falconlights

        Sure is.

  • Todd20036

    Not bad for a country full of rapists….

    • elvigy

      I love ’em for their big melon-sized calves.

      • Judas Peckerwood

        A buncha Ebola-carrying ISIS supporters from what I hear.

    • Roy Biv

      Don’t be a hater, some of them, I assume, are good people.

  • bkmn

    I think we should send Brian Brown down there to make marriage equality come faster to the rest of Mexico.

    • Bruno

      Yeah, and let’s send Frank Schubert down to give the victory sign for photographers in Mexican states that are still denying equality. 3 years tops after that.

    • GanymedeRenard

      The rest of Mexico’s got already marriage equality, it’s just that Mexican law is a bit complicated. See Joe’s link.

    • [email protected]

      He would go but NOM doesn’t have the money to send him anymore, at least, not at the level of accommodation that he expects.

  • Octavio

    ¡Orale! ¡ ¡Y ahora, bailamos!

    • Johnny Wyeknot

      Si!

    • Phil2u

      Voy a llorar….

      • Octavio

        No lorras, mijo. Tenemos que celebrar nuestro fortuna buena. 🙂

        • TuuxKabin

          Claro que si!

  • 2amor

    So, a big fuck you to the catholic church….

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Hmm, not really. Probably a lot of the judges in that court, if not all, consider themselves Catholic. But what outsiders often don’t get is that the Catholic Chutrch isn’t the hierarchy, in the same way that a company is not the CEO and Board of Directors and an Army is not the generals. The Church is really everybody. Which explains why the higher the percentage of Catholics, the stronger the support for gay rights, even though the cardinals and archbishops might rail against it.

      http://theweek.com/articles/557418/why-are-catholics-supportive-gay-marriage

    • J Ascher

      In Mexico, there is true separation of Church and State: the State is the descendant of Spanish colonial rule with adaptations to maintain power, of course. The Church is embraced by many of the public as a matter of faith, not polity.

      • Phil2u

        My experience in Jalisco, Oaxaca, San Luis Potosi, and Chiapas would tell me that the church relies on customary and routine behaviors a lot more than faith. I admit my contacts were primarily among the educated population and the denizens of the late-night watering holes. Church was often described to me as “baptisms, weddings and funerals,” or “where you have to go on Sunday before you get to sleep off your tequila.”

    • Luis De California

      That already happened when gays were added to the Constitution a few years ago 😉 This is the Court’s friendly reminder of the finger.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    Que bonito es Jalisco
    Tierra de amor

    • Octavio

      México lindo y querido si muero lejos de tí
      Que digan que estoy dormido
      Y que me traigan aquí.
      Que digan que estoy dormido
      Y que me traigan aquí
      México lindo y querido
      Si muero lejos de tí.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Great song. My favorite modern cover of a traditional Mexican song is Lila Downs’ La cama de piedra (“The Stone Bed”). I love, love, love, love Lila Downs

        The second verse goes:
        Subí a la sala del crimen
        Le pregunté al presidente
        Que si es delito quererte,
        Que me sentencien a muerte,
        Ay, ay, corazón porqué no amas.

        [I went up to the crime room
        I asked the President
        If it’s a crime to love you
        Then let them sentence me to death
        Oh, oh, heart, why don’t you love?]

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iuxOBq1mec

        • Octavio

          She’s wonderful. 🙂

        • TuuxKabin

          Lila Downs is a treasure. We stumbled across Astrid Hadad, Mexican/Lebanese mix, on my birthday at Joe’s Pub here in NYC. Here’s a little something from her:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m1xzVMhoBI

          • MattPS

            Astrid Hadad is wonderful; just as well-known for her extravagant costumes (think of dresses that open up the way pop-up books do) as for her singing. The tune she sings here (“Mala”) is by lesbian songwriter Liliana Felipe, an Argentinian who’s lived in Mexico for several years. It was, I believe, originally written as a tango but Astrid has given it more of a ranchero treatment here.

          • TuuxKabin

            Yeah, Liliana does it real justice, not that Astrid’s ain’t bad. I like the last line Liliana uses, “pero que guapo el chingado”. “What a handsome fucker” or some such. Summer of 2002 we got to see Liliana Felipe, Astrid Hadad and another female singer who’s name escapes me. Was a catered affair. Great introduction to all three performers. The concert was called 3 Mexican Divas but I can’t find it in any search.

          • TuuxKabin

            Per my other reply to you. It was Eugenia Leon, another lesbian performer. I wanted to drop the link ‘Ramona’ for your listening pleasure, but no could find. Just in case here’s something else. The camera work is a little shakey.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qdd9SC_0Js&index=30&list=PL1E184BBB0FBE6BFD

        • Phillip in L.A.

          “Que nadie sepa mi sufrir”

          https://youtu.be/06kj95wy1aM

          • Lane

            oh — the song is _by_ Los Lobos. I thought the song was, “Nobody knows how I’ve suffered from wolves”

          • Phillip in L.A.

            “Nobody knows how I’ve suffered from wolves”

            Also true.

          • TuuxKabin

            pero que bonitos los chingados.

            we used to call the american ex-pats in Merida, gringados.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            ¡Chingón!

          • TuuxKabin

            Mil gracias Phillip por eso.

      • Phil2u

        Gracias, Octavio… lindas palabras. ?Conoce Ud. tambien la “Cancion Mixteca?”

        “O tierra del sol, sospiro por verte…”.. es bonita.

        • Octavio

          Sí. Compuesto por López Alavez. Acerca de su gran tristeza y sentimientos de nostalgia por su lugar de nacimiento en Oaxaca. Me gusta mucho.

          Tengo varios CDs de Ana Gabriel cantando muchas de las viejas canciones tradicionales de México. Hacen El Squeeze loco, pero me gustan. (Él sólo le gusta Tangos.)

          • Phil2u

            Si. Conozco muy bien Oaxaca; tengo buenos amigos alla.

          • Octavio

            I lived there for a while and loved it. I especially liked the cute short Oaxacan men (Zapotecs and Mixtecs) who never failed to be extremely warm and friendly. There’s a seafood cantina (actually three of them, sort of a chain) where I would regularly eat and meet locals who taught me a lot about enjoying life. Especially two handsome doctors — Oaxacan munchkins — who kept me regularly entertained about twice a week. I miss those gentlemen! 😉

          • Phil2u

            Me, too. I miss it a lot sometimes. The indigenous culture(s) is fascinating, as it was a sort of crossroads in pre-Columbian eras. Did you ever attend the Guelaguetza?

          • Octavio

            Yes. Once. It was a crowded experience and a bit touristy Also attended some annual or semi annual ritual on Mt. Alban under a full moon. Basically, that was just an excuse to get high and hang out among meso American ruins.
            I never missed a chance to take a bus on Tuesdays and Wednesdays into the hinterlands and enjoy the open markets in the surrounding pueblos. Most ‘Merikuns took organized bus trips to buy stuff and see “real indians make real stuff you can buy, for real.” I avoided that crap and thoroughly enjoy the locals on their own terms. If I knew I was dying of an incurable disease I’d fly down there tomorrow to have a good last hurrah and eventually expire in a hidden cabana on the beach in Escondidos. 🙂

          • Phil2u

            I never got into the amphitheater; I didn’t want to spend the money nor rub elbows with the busloads of tourists. The street scene was fascinating, though. I can’t really describe in a public forum some of the things that went on in the press of dense humanity. I never got to Escondido. The pueblos in the hills were always a source of pleasure: people, food, treasures…. Oh well…..

    • Silver Badger

      I hope you boys know this blog is available in Colorado where the Reich wing made English the official language. You gonna be in big trouble if the folks in Colorado Springs hear about this!!!!!!

      • Silver Badger

        PS: I can be bribed to keep quiet.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        ¡Ay ay ay!

        If needed, I can tell Tom Tancredo and company where to shove it in English, Spanish, French or Italian. We’re going to have to rely on other JMG-ers for Japanese, German, Russian, etc.

        • Silver Badger

          Can I watch?

        • Balderdashing

          Glad to oblige:

          Том Танкредо, ёб твою мать! Иди к чёрту!

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    11-0 Mexican Supreme Court.
    Scalia and Thomas and the rest of the cat-o-lick thugs on SCROTUS should be ashamed.

  • hiker_sf

    La muchacha bonita!

    https://youtu.be/IZ-4Xg8RnnU

  • Ninja0980

    Stand by for the Sadz!

    • Brian in Valdosta

      Correction: Stand by for the ‘tristezaz’.

    • LonelyLiberal

      I dunno, does our right wing concern itself with Brown Countries that much? The US, Europe, and Russia/old USSR countries seem to be the limit of their worries.

      • Steven Leahy

        Well “the help” might be from Mexico, so maybe it does concern them! /s

      • [email protected]

        NOM doesn’t have the money for Brian Brown to travel to all these places anymore so Brian Brown is less interested now that he cannot get a vacations….er business trip out of it.

  • Roy Biv

    It’s always so strange to hear a very Catholic country like Mexico and other American nations respect the rule of law and promote equity more than certain “Christians” in the US Supreme Court…

    • GanymedeRenard

      Mexico, just like many other American nations, is only ritually Catholic. They don’t give a shit about the Bible.

      • MattPS

        Exactly! It’s all about the iconography: If you have a Virgen de Guadalupe and a crucifix hanging on the wall, that´s your passport to Heaven. There’s absolutely NO Bible-thumping among Mexican Catholics. Now, the Mormans and other Protestant sects…that’s another story. And the bad news is the latter are gaining ground. I’ve read statistics that predict that within 60 years the Catholic religion will be a minority in Mexico and Central America, having been overtaken by Evangelical Protestants.

        • GanymedeRenard

          And that would be not only sad, but extremely negative for us LGBTs.

    • Joe Roberts

      Mexico is “very Catholic” in only a traditional, ritualistic sense. There’s nothing particularly evangelical about the majority of the population (Protestant sects notwithstanding, fortunately still a minority), and the extent to which it’s socially conservative is mostly a function of it being so family-oriented. Overall it’s very much a “live and let live” type of place, particularly with regards to other people’s families.

      • Roy Biv

        Enlightening.

        I’m from a very Catholic country, the Philippines, and although gay people can generally move around and are “tolerated” by people, the government and political class are still very much controlled by the whims of the church so SSM or even simple birth control is a huge obstacle.

  • Toasterlad

    Congratulations, Jalisco!

  • Cackalaquiano

    Where my husband is from. Fantastic progress!

  • Steven Leahy

    Hooray! Congratulations and well done, Jalisco. Another blue area on the map 🙂

  • Luis De California

    Mexico’s rules are complex. The only states (so far) that are eligible to have gay marriage be enforced this way are Jalisco and Baja California. Now that Jalisco is done, Baja California can be next 😉 Finally my neighbor whose Congress is amongst the most conservative will have equality 🙂

  • zeddy303

    Who would have thought there was so many Satan loving activist judges down there!

  • kirtanloorii

    The conservative tears are tasty this time of year.

  • GanymedeRenard

    Yes! Or, ¡sí!

    (In the first video, please excuse the casual sexism; in the second, please excuse the guns — it’s the 1940s in both cases). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSrtElpbUOY

  • Joe Roberts

    Jalisco is also home to Puerto Vallarta, where Beef Dip is currently taking place. (Can’t believe you don’t go, Joe!) So that will add a little more festive spirit to an already festive event.

  • [email protected]

    Great news and more great progress for marriage. Happy for all the couples who have greater access to marriage now.