Ex-Gay Torture Group JONAH: The Court Has Ordered Us To Shut Down So Send Us Money

Two weeks ago a New Jersey court ordered the dissolution of the ex-gay torture group JONAH and for them to pay an undisclosed settlement to their victims. Today we get this money beg via Equality Case Files:

First, we would like to thank our many friends for their kind words and consistent financial support, which have been pouring in since we received the unjust and unwarranted verdict in Ferguson vs JONAH from the NJ Courts this past June. Your encouragement and good wishes have kept us going in spite of the often negative and blatantly false publicity that appears all over the media.

The NJ Court delivered its final judgement on December 18th. Under the order, JONAH must permanently cease operations, including providing referrals and operating its website and listserv. That means that our site, www.jonahweb.org, will no longer be available online after mid- January 2016, and neither of us will be permitted to give referrals to strugglers who call or email with requests for help. JONAH is required to dissolve as a corporate entity and liquidate its assets by the middle of May.

We are also required to pay a portion of the plaintiffs’ legal fees. We hope that our supporters will help us offset these costs by clicking here to give via PayPal or by mailing donations to JONAH, Inc, PO box 313, Jersey City, NJ 07303. JONAH’s bank account will be open to accept donations until mid-May 2016.

The tragic miscarriage of justice which occurred in the JONAH case reflects the near triumph of political correctness and the gay activist agenda in the USA. We long for the day when the outcome in the JONAH case will be recognized as one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in modern history. So many of the court’s outrageous pre-trial rulings, such as not allowing our six defense experts to testify, the equally outrageous rulings that calling homosexuality “disordered” violates the consumer fraud act, and the ruling during the trial which prohibited our attorney from arguing our freedom of religion 1st Amendment rights, ended any real chance for a fair trial and verdict. However, we fervently believe that the Torah’s traditional values on sexuality and the family will triumph in the end because these universal laws produce the most just societies which, in turn, offer G-d given truths for all humanity to follow.

The case against JONAH was brought by the SPLC. JONAH was defended by a legal group chaired by former NOM president Maggie Gallagher.

But wait – these con men aren’t totally going away!COnmen2Uh, they’re going to establish a court system to punish blasphemers? Jesus fucking Christ, how is that gonna work?

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  • bkmn

    The grifters are going ride the gravy train as long as they can.

    • Homo Erectus

      With Maggie’s help, how could they lose?

    • Librarykid

      I’m hoping for a washed out trestle around the next curve.

  • zhera

    Diverse peoples, except for those icky gays.

    This is just another branch on the tree of Griftianity.

    • Jimmie Z

      Zhera, happy new year!

      n.b.: I am sO stealing “Griftianity!”

      • zhera

        Please do! and happy new year to you, Jimmie!

  • geoffalnutt

    The fuck?! They’re hoping their “supporters” will foot the bill. Pigs.

  • Paige Turner

    Thats 2 down. JONAH and Exodus. Who’s next?

    • Raisinhead

      Please and thank you. Joseph ‘I don’t do long term follow up’ Nicolosi.

      • Well he is 68 now but I doubt he will repent of his ex-gay ideology before the end and activists like him don’t tend to retire. His ideology is stuck in the past.

    • clay

      We’re losing Proverbs one letter at a time.

      • Joseph Miceli

        I’ve done “Numbers.” It wasn’t all that.

      • Paige Turner

        Oh – Thats gold

    • Well the International Healing foundation has a bunch of strange stuff going on so that may be the next out the door. Their site is now down and instead re-directs you to here: http://www.pathinfo.org

      Meanwhile Chris Doyle announced that the group was becoming the Institute for Healthy families and has expanded to Christian counseling in
      general so they are no longer an “ex-gay group” The site here: http://www.instituteforhealthyfamilies.org

      but has no mention of Richard Cohen. My guess would be that the IHF could no longer pay the bills and so it fell apart with some disagreement between Doyle and Cohen about what to do. Hence the old side now re-directs to PATH while Doyle takes the initials of the old group to form a new one.

      • barrixines

        Oh no – please don’t tell me self confessed would be kiddy fiddler Christopher Doyle is no longer Voice of the Hairless. His self pity is a hoot.

        • Chris Doyle’s little side projects are all still alive but his joint venture with Richard Cohen is done. We know from their tax returns that their joint venture was not sustainable so that’s probably part of it but clearly these was some form of disagreement between Doyle and Cohen that went down behind the scenes.

          • barrixines

            You mean to say they couldn’t sort everything out with a couple of tennis rackets and a pillow? Well colour me Barbra.

          • I know….shocking indeed. Well I doubt the new IHF will be
            much different…their “organization” consists of Chris Doyle and two referral therapists. So basically this has turned into yet another Chris Doyle one man shop with a fancy name.

      • zhera

        Institute for Healthy families?

        They are following the path of Family Research Center, AFTAH, and all the other oxymoron orgs, I see.

        • barrixines

          Don’t you just see exgay pseudopedo Christopher Doyle as the head of a healthy family?

          • Six Pins Delores


          • Librarykid

            In the late 60s-early 70s, that would be called a bad trip.

        • edit (I misread the comment the first time around): yeah the name is as absurd as their last one….their methods are not at all good for healthy families.

      • Paige Turner

        They are really convinced of their own importance aren’t they? The arrogance to say that god has chosen them to do his work and that they can “fix” children is appalling and that people believe this is simply staggering. Why them?

        These groups have to be on our radar more and shut down.
        The NJ case with JONAH was very well handled by the good side

        • 100% agree. And indeed several of them have talked about
          imagining a world where there is no homosexuality because of their work. And yet these groups get next to no money which tells me that for all the anti-gay talk about how homosexuality is just a treatable disorder they don’t really believe it enough to put their money where their mouth is. If they actually had faith that this stuff worked it should be a major part of their efforts but as it is they know that it is a source of countless embarrassments to them.

          • Paige Turner

            Its the self loathing closet cases that say that they are straight after one of the kumbaya sessions that these quack groups have which does us damage. I feel for those Men and Women and the pain that they go through. Being gay is hard enough sometimes but being ex gay must be double hell. Then there is the damage to their opposite sex spouses and children which is so unnecessary. Truly evil organisations and a pox on the world.

          • Yup because then they seize on that and say “see it is
            possible, the others are just not trying hard enough” but even then they have very few of these stories and the ones they do have are dubious. For example Chris Doyle said he “changed” from gay to straight but then he also admits to trying to molest little girls at his mother’s daycare as a kid. Gay teens are not looking to molest little girls.

    • Pollos Hermanos


      • Well and if you want to see an example of just how not alive
        NARTH is if you look at their conference and seminar panel it still provides information about and even links to purchase registration for their 2015 conference that happened back in October. It is basically a defunct organization…they just don’t want to admit it.

        • Pollos Hermanos

          Yeah but let’s sue them!

          • Well the problem with NARTH is that they do not do any
            therapy. They push the ex-gay ideology and they refer out to people who do therapy and many of their members do therapy but as an organization NARTH does not do therapy. So it would be very hard to go after NARTH because of this and same thing for PFOX…..they push the ex-gay ideology but they do not do therapy.

          • Pollos Hermanos

            I get that they’re a clearinghouse. However, Joseph Nicolosi (their founder) has a private practice.

          • Yes that is correct however in that case the lawsuit would
            be against Nicolosi and his practice, not against NARTH. So yes Nicolosi and his practice could be gone after, NARTH itself not so much. Now with Nicolosi one interesting question is does he still work with minors in violation of the law in California? If yes then that could be used to go after him.

          • StraightGrandmother

            I think someone should run a sting operation on Nicolsi.
            One guy who commented on Warren Throckmorton’s blog a couple of years ago said Nicolosi used to conduct “therapy” sessions over Skype.

            Someone young looking outside of California should see if Nicolosi will take him as a “patient” they could claim to be age 16.

          • Yeah I agree to do the same thing that the SPLC did you need to have former clients to bring the case but with the law in California seeing if they will violate the law is another option. I have been unable to find anything written or audio from Nicolosi after this issue was settled in the courts. I just recently listened to audio after the law had been passed in CA and NJ but before the issue had worked its way through the courts and Nicolosi said that he was confident they were going to win in getting those laws overturned. Well now that they have not I would love to see something more up-to date from Nicolosi to see what he says about it but I have not seen anything yet.

      • Paige Turner

        Well theres a precedent with JONAH so lets go.

    • DutchBoy74

      I’m going to guess NOM then Family Research Council. They can only operate on fumes of the supreme court for so long before they just fizzle up and disappear.

      • Paige Turner

        I can see them merging and consolidating although the infighting would be immense. The clock is ticking on these dinosaur organisations

        • The problem with merging and consolidating is that while it
          is the logical move for them to make they all have way-over-inflated egos and so they all want to be king of the castle and they would rather have 20 one man shop pretend organizations than 5 organizations that are actually big enough to deserve that title. The perfect example of this is the forming of the MRM “marriage reality movement” which is basically another NOM even as NOM withers and dies. There is no reason why they should not be one org but they all insist on starting their own little one man shops and giving it fancy sounding names.

          • Paige Turner

            There I was thinking logically and like a business person when I realised they are faith based so common sense goes straight out the window now. Silly old me. You’re right. They couldn’t merge. They couldn’t agree on anything except to hate minorities.

          • Yeah logical thinking really does go out the window with
            them and also honesty but I think part of it is a strategic plan on their part….they
            want their side to look bigger then it really is so that feeds into their willingness
            to rather have a lot of small one man shops with important sounding names then
            a smaller number of real organizations. So it think it’s a combination of them
            not agreeing on the small stuff, their egos, and their desire to make their movement
            look bigger then it really is.

      • I can see NOM ending soon after this year as long as Hillary
        wins the election, if they get one of their guys in there then they will have new life breathed into them. The FRC will stick around for longer because they are a multi-issue group and can stick around even without the gay rights fights.

  • Franciscan

    I think they should wrap themselves in their Noahides and slip away into the darkness.

  • barrixines

    “We long for the day when the outcome in the JONAH case will be
    recognized as one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in modern
    Somewhere in the Middle East at this moment a gay man is being murdered by order of, or complicity with, the state. In the US at this very moment there are innocent people on death row. Go fuck your ridiculous hateful hysterical selves.

    • Michael Rush

      Arthur Abba Goldberg

      As Executive Vice President and a major stockholder of Matthews & Wright Inc., a Wall Street investment bank he orchestrated a massive fraud from 1984 to 1986 in which the firm sold over $2 billion of fraudulent municipal bonds to several cities. The victims were mostly impoverished communities with large minority populations .

      In October 1989, Goldberg was sentenced to 18 months in federal prison and five years’ probation.

      • Librarykid

        Well, you notice that there is nothing in his 7 principles about telling the truth, so there are grounds for considering him to be a lying sack of shit. And good luck getting those three religious groups to do anything together except plot the others’ destruction.

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      • Dale Snyder

        Surprise, surprise. Once a fraud ALWAYS A FRAUD.

      • Steverino

        So much for #4 of that Naugahyde Law, or whatever the hell it is.

    • 2patricius2

      And I long for the day when all these ex-gay sham outfits will be outlawed around the world as some of the most psychologically destructive organizations in the history of modern psychology.

  • Tempus Fuggit

    In re Noahide law № 6: does the neck count as a limb? Because it appears somebody removed (and ate?) Arthur Goldberg’s neck.

  • bryan

    They should take some inspiration from the mythical Jonah, and go live in a fish.

    • KCMC

      whale spit back up.

      • Six Pins Delores

        Whale diarrhea.

        • Todd20036


    • Colonel Panic.

      You mean make their home in
      A fish’s abdomen?

      • Steve Teeter

        But it ain’t necessarily so.

  • Sporkfighter

    “We are also required to pay a portion of the plaintiffs’ legal fees. We hope that our supporters will help us offset these costs …”

    Asking the sheep to board the Titanic on the port side while they leave from the starboard.

    • clay

      leaving behind enough start-up cash for his next fraud.

  • JT

    Sue them into oblivion.

    • clay

      Could work equally well on the private scamvangelist post.

  • Gustav2

    Good God, Jewish Dominionists.

    • clay

      and they’re not even Zionists. Couldn’t they just move to the West Bank and establish their ideal “harmonious world”?

    • another_steve

      What’s with the mishegas concerning “removing and eating a limb from a live animal”? I don’t get that one.

      Is that…like…pulling the legs off a chicken while the chicken is still alive?

      Do people do that?

      • Gustav2

        Well, it isn’t kosher!

      • Galvestonian

        No – it’s the punch line of the joke about the pig that pulled a whole family from their burning farm house. A reported showed up at the place and looked around and saw a 3 legged pig running around and asked the farmer about the pig that saved them. He said that that was the pig right there with 3 legs. The reported asked the farmer why he only had 3 legs. The farmer replied – ” Hell, you don’t eat a pig that special all at once.”

        • radiofreerome

          Very redneck!

      • Librarykid

        No, it really is a law. Back before refrigeration, animals were often progressively slaughtered, a limb here and a limb there. It was to avoid cruelty to animals that there is a religious law against this in Judaism.The situation arose with larger animals than chickens.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    They should consider using the money they stole with their absolute bullshit “therapy.” I’m sure most of it is still socked away in an offshore account.

    • barrixines

      Let us not forget the eighteen months Goldberg spent in prison for fraud and conspiracy to defraud in an eleven million dollar scam. Earlier the lovely David Walker said on another thread that his New Year resolution was to not to hate our enemies. He’s a better man than I am.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        I saw that. He certainly is a lovely man. Also a man with a good and generous heart. But, he’s also right. We see where hate has led the right in this country. It’s no place good. It’s also a very difficult thing to do when these people are calling for the wholesale death of the LGBT community and their allies. It is hard not to hate those who hate us.

      • Librarykid

        Would loathing be satisfactory? You have to maintain a strong barrier because anything less might cause you to be mistaken for their ally.

  • EdmondWherever

    Sharia law, in other words.

  • clay

    Uhm, bullshit, does these people believe other people are incapable of reading? Those are NOT the Noahide commandments/covenant.

  • BobSF_94117

    Naugahide rules?

    • Menergy

      Glad I read down before posting the same!😊

  • TampaDink

    Happy New Year, Mrs. Srivastav….wherever you are.

    • barrixines

      I am willing to put money on it being standing next to the buffet.

      • TampaDink

        I presumed as much.

      • PLAINTOM

        Throwing elbows

        • Librarykid

          Lovely word picture!

    • Homo Erectus

      Happy New Year to you and yours, TD!

      • TampaDink

        Back at ya, buddy! Cheers!

    • Man_in_the_mists

      And to your husband, who I’m sure totally exists.

      • TampaDink

        Mine doesn’t. Well, he does but we haven’t married, so I think of him as my long-suffering spousal substitute. As for Maggie’s man, well….I do believe that he exists. Whether they are technically in a romantic relationship, live under one roof, or even speak to each other, remains suspect. But that is their business…not mine. 😉

        • Man_in_the_mists

          No worries, I was talking about Maggie’s husband.

  • RNegron

    “All I said was ‘that piece of halvah was fit for Jehovah…'”.

  • So, they’re demanding Sharia-esque Judaism, as Edmond noted in his comment below. Only to be enforced on Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike.

    And they really think they can enforce laws against saying, “Goddammit”?

    • Bluto

      yeah, they fuckin’ goddamn do. whoops, that’s 100 lashes for me.

    • What about the world’s other 50%, who don’t follow Judaism, Christianity and Islam? As long as a religion doesnt feature human sacrifice I dont care what they believe in, as long as they don’t try to force me to follow their rules.

  • Homo Erectus

    Abrahamic religions = controlling penises and vaginas for ten thousand years.

    • And literally owning women and slaves. Which, for women, is kind of a redundant term.

      • clay

        What little control they’ve tried to exert over penises is mostly to make sure they’re not too feminine, with those loose, fleshy, lips.

  • MDB

    Removing and eating the limb of a live animal ???? What the HELL???
    …is the this the fucking Stone Age ???

    • clay

      Uhm, yes, that is from the late stone / early bronze age.

      On the other hand, I knew a guy who called himself vegetarian, but would eat chicken wings and frogs legs with the excuse they didn’t HAVE to kill the whole animal if the didn’t want to, just an amputation or two.

    • Hue-Man

      Oysters, lobsters, etc.


      I have no idea! Is it double bad if they’re also not kosher?

      • clay

        Nah, kosher is still only for Jews, but they do want Kosher/Halal butchering practices to be legislated universally.

      • zhera

        “In Japan, Ikizukuri (“prepared alive”) is the preparation of sashimi (“pierced food”) made from live seafood. The most popular sea animal used in ikizukuri is fish but octopus, shrimp, and lobster may also be used.[1] The fish is typically filleted without being killed and served while the heart is still beating and the mouth opening and closing. Sometimes the fish is temporarily returned to an aquarium to swim around and recover for a second course.[2]”

        What the hell is wrong with people?!?

        • No clue. Eating the flesh from animals is one thing, but doing so while they are still alive is beyond disgusting.

        • Six Pins Delores

          Witnessed a coworker watching video of a pinned live frog being eaten a few weeks ago. Sickening as it is

    • clay

      No more Mohels snacking on foreskins.

      • geoffalnutt

        That’s a mouth full of suitcase!!! (snurk!)

      • barrixines

        You know if the mohels don’t eat the foreskins, Oprah is only going to turn them into face cream.

        • Six Pins Delores

          Oprah does not do limited marketing

        • Todd20036

          You don’t need foreskins to provide facials….

        • clay

          (reference to NYC news about herpes spreading by orthodox mohels sucking drops of blood)

          • barrixines

            There are some stories you hear, though possibly far from the most horrific in the big scheme of things, that just hit you right in your digust reflexes. That is one of them.

  • Six Pins Delores

    “JONAH is required to dissolve as a corporate entity and liquidate its assets by the middle of May.”

    A United States court just nailed a stake into your dead heart despite Noahide. You will be dead and vanquished soon.

    Tell us Jonah, how does that make you feel? 🙂

    • “Tell us Jonah, how does that make you feel?” Like beating the living fuck out of a pillow with a tennis racket, but real grown ups don’t do things like that, do they.

      • Six Pins Delores

        They do. Unfortunately , yes freehit.

        And they collect huge sums of money while doing so. But not much longer.

        Happy New Year

  • Nicholas Rostov

    Broadwayworld.com has it that Maggie Gallagher’s son is writing a MUSICAL about this… struggle? It is entitled Jubilee! and is about nothing.

  • Ninja0980

    Their money beg gets down to what it is really about for many of them, cold hard cash.
    And if innocent people get their lives ruined in the process?
    That’s just too damn bad.
    Here’s hoping karma pays them a visit soon.

    • Six Pins Delores

      And brought to court resulting in huge payout for their plaintiff victims

  • canoebum

    He looks just like Hannibal Lecter…and seems to have the personality to match.

  • delk


  • Tor

    Noahide?/ Is that something like Naugahide?

  • Tor

    In other words, sharia law and courts.

  • Richard Rush

    “On December 29,2015, we filed the articles of incorporation for our new organization, the Jewish Institute For Global Awareness (JIFGA).”

    They’d receive far more donations if they changed the name of their new organization to the Jewish Institute Favoring the Gay Agenda (JIFGA).

  • delk

    They got to be goddamned crazy if they think I’ll follow law number two.

    • I break that one multiple times a day at work…usually loudly. I have the band-aids® to prove it.

  • Very rewarding indeed to see them going away. But how fitting and typical that they would money beg to the very end.

    As to their new attempt at a group that doesn’t something new that is even more amusing. They are basically admitting that they can’t do what they want to do under current law so they want to great a group to advocate for a theocracy instead.

    • Six Pins Delores

      No a lawyer here. Could that not be defined as contempt of court? 🙂

      • What the money begging? No because they were given time to shut
        down and they are still within that timeline.

        • Six Pins Delores


          • Well it just shows how pitiful they are….they are in the
            process of shutting down and yet they want their donors to help them cover the amount that they were court ordered to pay. Money begging to the bitter end.

          • Six Pins Delores

            Yes, well, it shows just how low and the lack of shame the less than can be equated to scum are, yes

  • 10_39

    “7. The establishment of a justice system and courts of law to enforce the other six laws”

    I wonder if the ultra-cons who supported JONAH and NOM and FRC, etc., realize that they are now being asked to support bringing SHARIA LAW to this country.

    It would be funny if it weren’t so sad: the haters don’t know which way to point their hatred, except that it will always end up pointing back at themselves.

  • Galvestonian

    Wait – they forgot the 8th Noahide Law – 8 . Thou shalt not hustle or con the sheeples with the waste of the bull.

  • DaddyRay

    This isn’t really going to be the final thread for 2015 is it?

    • Michael Rush

      I thought the last post would be a printable ” Nude Men Of Joe My God ” calendar for 2016

      • Duck

        Wait, that’s a thing? Where do I get one 😉

  • aar9n

    Great, slavery isn’t on that list. Glad we can agree that Buffalo wild wings is much worse than slavery.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    So god, oh no i said its name, when giving rules to noah still couldn’t come up with the idea that rape is worse than idolatry or blasphemy. I know this predates the exodus story, but still fucking stupid.

  • My favorite line is this one, “We look to put together a coalition of those who follow the Abrahamic religions (Jew, Christians, and Muslims, which constitute more than 50% of the worlds population).

    Might does not make right.

    • Tor

      “We can’t stop grfting, so we’re forming a new organization.

    • CottonBlimp

      lol, and as if any of the regressives in any of those religions could work together. ISIS can’t even work together with al Qaeda.

    • Ben in Oakland

      In other words, 2/3 of the world thinks the Christian story is nonsense. 97% thinks the Jewish story is nonsense.

  • JCF

    [I feel like I’m watching the beginning of Rocky Horror] Where’s your f#cking neck???

  • Michael Rush
    • clay

      What, you’re suggesting I feel guilty for thinking Bambi had a snackable ass?

  • ClevelandJim

    I believe my parents had a reclinder covered in noahide back in the 70s…shit wore like iron! It felt kinda plastic-y, but it sure LOOKED like leather!

    • clay

      it was vegan and kosher.

  • JustSayin’

    In a way part of their new so called mission is already a fact here in the u.s.

    Look up mandatory arbitration + religion and you will find the there are religion based arbitration “courts” all across the country and the civil courts are refusing cases where a mandatory arbitration clause says they will use one of the religious based arbitration courts.

    Even Scientology has won a suit in civil court forcing a member the excommunicated into using their religious court to settle a claim they bilked him out of millions of dollars.

    Be afraid people be afraid. Soon online purchases from places like Hobby Lobby will force you into religion court to get a refund!

  • Jimmie Z

    Has anyone thanked Maggs Gallagher yet for
    all that she has done for BIG GAY?

  • fuzzybits

    Murder,eh? Haven’t they murdered the souls of some innocent victims?

  • William

    Hobbits are anti-gay?

    • clay

      There are no small people, only small parts.

      • William

        So you’re saying that he’s hung like a hamster?

  • David L. Caster

    The tragic miscarriage of justice which occurred in the JONAH case reflects the near triumph of political correctness and the gay activist agenda in the USA.

    No, Mr Goldberg, there was no “miscarriage” of justice. Justice did just fine, delivering a perfectly healthy dose of good sense to counter demonstrably harmful quackery. Your defeat was a clear victory for not only the rule of law, but the practice of good mental health science and care of minor children.

    • Friday

      Do we need to show the videos again? 🙂

  • William

    I’ll send him some coupons for dry cleaning.

  • Mark

    And there’s that ‘victim’ card followed by the ‘persecuted’ card. A royal flush. Twice, please. It’s a long way back to the Dead Sea.

    • Friday

      Followed by the ‘Send More Money’ card.

  • Friday

    You heard it here first, cons, they’re trying to ally Jews with Muslims to bilk Christians into enforcing Sharia law. 🙂

  • Reality.Bites

    So they think they’re going to get Christians and Muslims to join a group called the JEWISH Institute for Global Awareness? Even the most ecumenical-minded Christians and Muslims would see a problem there. Plus, of course, ecumenical-minded people of any faith would want nothing to do with this.

    • Stev84

      If there is one thing that can unite them it’s hating gays

      • Reality.Bites

        The Jews who hate gays also hate the vast majority of Jews as well as Christians and Muslims.

        • Stev84

          They all hate each other, but they can temporarily forget that when hating the gays together.

  • Jim in TO

    Law 7 is basically Christian Sharia law

  • Octavio

    Biblical World Order Part Deux will be ready in fifteen minutes. How nice. /s

    At the ver least, Maggie Gallagher was handed her ass by the court. That’s always nice. 🙂

  • Yeah, and the moment you try to enforce your delusional bullshit, expect to be hit with so many fucking legal actions your asses will be past Pluto before you can think straight.

  • Skokieguy

    Well thank goodness they have big plans. The whole removing a limb from a live animal and eating it thing has just gotten way out of hand.

    Hmmn, a religious court, but totally different from bringing Sharia law to the US, right?

  • TallBearNC

    Here is exactly the words of the First Amendment – – you could see it doesn’t give people very much in the way of religious freedom – and it’s nothing like the far right is claiming that it is

    Here is exactly the words of the First Amendment – – you could see it doesn’t give people very much

    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    As u can See, that doesn’t give people very many religious rights in this country

    1) The government cannot prevent you from exercising your religion. It does not mean you can impose it on people at work or as a government official. This means you are free to practice any religion you want in your church, and in your home, and when combined with Free speech , you can preach or talk about it in the public area…. That is all it does and nothing more. It doesn’t protect you from state or federal civil rights laws saying that you cannot refuse business to a certain class of people because you have a religious objection

    2) It 100% prevents the government from establishing a countrywide religion – or in other words prevents the country from recognizing one religion over another, and basing our laws based on any religious laws or ceremonies whatsoever. My personal opinion, this is why all of these freedom of religious laws will get struck down because they violate the constitutional right of everybody else who’s not Christian or not religious

    …. That’s all it has to do with religion in my opinion… Rented there have been dozens of Supreme Court ruling over the past 100 years that have interpreted the First Amendment so you cannot take the First Amendment literally because there are Supreme Court ruling is on the books that have interpreted this, and it is definitely not in favor of religion – except in the case of hobby lobby

    The Supreme Court has ruled him that the government can ban any religious practices as long as it doesn’t target a certain religion or one specific. Average in 1993 the Supreme Court added an exception to this: it is allowed to target a specific religion and or a specific practice if said practice violates civil for constitutional rights of an American citizen for causes harm to others

    This Is exactly why ex-Gay torture places can be shut down by the court system – they have no constitutional basis to defend themselves. They can claim that conversion therapy is a practice of their religion… But it causes harm, and it violates the First Amendment religious protections of the American citizen because of religious belief system is being forced on them. Also the states cannot interfere with these rights at all – so the state passing things wrong with this freedom laws would be violating the first amendment. ( this was decided by the Supreme Court because of the 14th amendment… And wants the 14th amendment is in place, it affects all other previous amendments )

    LEGAL TRANSLATION…above Is my personal interpretation… This is an unbiased interpretation of the First Amendment from several unbiased law schools

    The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. See U.S. Const. amend. I. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the government for a redress of grievances, and the implied rights of association and belief. The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights. The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted, the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment from interference by state governments. See U.S. Const. amend. XIV.

    Two clauses in the First Amendment guarantee freedom of religion. The establishment clause prohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or PREFERRING one religion over another. It enforces the “separation of church and state.” Some governmental activity related to religion has been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. For example, providing bus transportation for parochial school students and the enforcement of “blue laws” is not prohibited. The free exercise clause prohibits the government, in most instances, from interfering with a person’s practice of their religion except where the Supreme Court has ruled otherwise, and it has. The Supreme Court has ruled that the government may interfere with religious practices are under certain circumstances perio The Supreme Court has ruled that the government may interfere with religious practices are under certain circumstances. The circumstances are as follows: if a religious practice violates civil or constitutional rights of the citizen, and for if the religious practice causes physical or mental harm to the citizen

    Back to my posting……

    So as you can see, the far right really has no constitutional ground to stand on, and with the Supreme Court interpretations of our religion in this country, this is exactly why the courts are striking down all sorts of the far right religious nonsense. they didn’t used to do this before because it was not a popular thing among Americans. For a long time, Americans didn’t care Government laws were rooted in Christianity, but nowadays most Americans don’t want laws based on in Christianity – even if they are Christian… Especially when you have Far right crazy Christians, and a crazy ass Jewish people who want the Old Testament. Christians are not supposed to follow the old testament because Jesus and validated it, and stated plain and clear in the New Testament in the Bible… As far as the Jewish religion goes, they don’t believe that Jesus was the Savior, so they have their own version of the Bible called the Torah which is the old testament combined with a new book. Orthodox Jews follow the Old Testament where modern or liberal Jews do not follow the Old Testament part of the Torah

    But it really doesn’t matter who should be following what because our governmental system is not allowed to prefer one religion over another and is not allowed to base laws based on religious views, practices, or exercises

    These assholes don’t realize is they are violating peoples first amendment right by imposing their Orthodox Jewish religious viewpoints upon gay people and forcing them to believe in the religion … There’s a few things in our country that says when what rights Trump what rights, there’s a few things in our country that says when what rights tromp what rights – and you can even have your first amendment or second amendment rights trumpted

    90% The time your first and second amendment rights can be trumped if you are doing something that causes harm or you are forcing your belief system on another citizen. If your organization is based on doing that, then you lose your first amendment rights.

    Plus a lot of people don’t realize that first amendment religious rights are not that strong of a set of rights at all – it’s actually a very weak set of rights that most people misunderstand, don’t understand, and the far right tends to twist them into something they are not

    When it Comes to religion the first amendment only guarantees citizens very very limited freedoms when it comes to religion – this is why if you have a liberal Supreme Court, the far religious right doesn’t stand a chance… then they scream and cry about I’m elected judges and how their religious freedoms are legally being stolen

    But if you have an extremely religious Supreme Court, they will interpret the Constitution incorrectly due to the religious bias… Which technically illegal… – no matter what kind of judge you are in the country, you are absolutely forbidden – absolutely for bidden to allow personal or religious beliefs to influence your judgment – that is part of the oath that a judge must swear to. Violating his oath can lead to being disbarred and even incur criminal penalties

  • goofy_joe

    I have a good name for them…ISIS!

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  • koolaidyarn

    How utterly fucked up is a morality system in which uttering ohmygod (or ohmyg-d?) is on the same level as hacking a leg off the neighbor’s cat and eating it?

  • DaveMiller135

    You know I love me some doubling down.

    As for law # 6: What will that do to shaggy dog jokes ending with, “You can’t eat a pig like that all at once.”?