DADT Repeal Was Signed Five Years Ago Today

It was five years ago today that President Obama signed the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” into law.

It was five years ago and every day since then the haters have screamed and screamed while gay soldiers and sailors got married right on their base and held joyous public reunions with their significant others upon return from overseas deployments.

It was five years ago and we’ve now got an openly lesbian Army general and US Armed Forces color guards march in pride parades to wild ovations from the crowds.

It was five years ago and before we reach the sixth anniversary we’ll also have openly transgender service members.

#ThanksObama

 

  • Dave B

    And, as promised the end of the world come upon us. Oh…wait…

  • sherman

    And I know what we’re all thinking – President McCain and his Republicon congress would have done the same.

    • Todd20036

      You mean President Romney!

      • Blake Jordan

        Wasn’t DADT repealed during Pres. Obama’s first term, when his opponent was McCain and Karaboo Barbie?

        • yes.

        • Toasterlad

          Yes…AFTER it was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge. And not UNTIL then.

  • bkmn

    Time to remind the major media outlets that ONCE AGAIN all the dire predictions of Tony PerKKKins, Maggie Galloper, Elaine Donnelly and the rest of the doom and gloom crowd were 100% incorrect and they need to stop having these haters on to talk about anything.

    • Ed Burrow

      i don’t know what you’re talking about, but here in the New Orleans area, things are just totally *Fucked*. I mean, it’s absolutely destroyed. No one is working, there’s volcanoes, hell, the sun doesn’t even rise anymore!

      • Octavio

        NO has always been that way.

      • Steve Teeter

        Where do you live, Ed? I’m Uptown, near Napoleon and Camp. No volcanoes to report, but the endless construction project for drainage in the middle of the street is a drag.

        • Ed Burrow

          I’m in Metairie. Clearview and Vets. Behind the AMC theatre.

          • Ray Taylor

            Hmmm, What goes on behind the theater?

          • Ed Burrow

            Get your head out of the gutter. That’s what Mr Binky’s is for.

          • barracks9

            Marigny here, near Cake Cafe…mmmm, Cake Cafe… (drools)…

    • danolgb

      There is one “dire” prediction tho that did come true. I don’t know exactly who said it, but they were worried it would “humanize” us. Which was actually their worst fear. And I do think that happened to some extent and helped us move forward with the speed we have since.

      • Six Pins Delores

        Now if only the FDA would stop reducing gay men to a sex act

      • Bj Lincoln

        Goddess forbid we appear human!

    • Princess Lardass

      I don’t know, man. It’s awfully scary that the government can’t fire linguist who are fluent in Arabic just because they are gay. /s

    • Important to remind them of how wrong they were on this as they no oppose allowing women in combat roles. Elaine Donnelly is still at it.

      • BlueberriesForMe

        Is she? I thought about looking her present status up and then decided she wasn’t worth it – and whatever less than that is.

    • BlueberriesForMe

      I can only imagine what Elaine does with her free time now. Reminisces about the good ol’ days with her scrapbook, no doubt.

      • bkmn

        More likely she has two sets of toy soldiers and she sends them to battle each other every afternoon, before she settles in with a mint julep and her personal stimulation device she nicknamed “The General.”

    • Ninja0980

      Heh, nice thought but we know that won’t happen.

  • LonelyLiberal

    And for five years now, the military hasn’t gotten a thing done due to the constant, energetic butt sex. That’s why Canada invaded us.

    Oh. Wait.

    • Joe in PA

      huh, non energetic butt sex is a thing?

      • Octavio

        You read my mind.

      • Cousin Bleh

        There is nothing worse than a lifeless bottom.

        • Capritaur

          Before you start blaming lazy bottoms, just remember all the deep squatting they have to do in the shower to get ready.

        • Rambie

          Nothig worse? Boring tops come to mind. It takes a vers to know how to do both well. 😉

          • Cousin Bleh

            I’ve said for years, “The best tops are bottoms.”

          • Rambie

            That we are. 😉

        • Gest2016

          Well, a bottomless bottom can be awefully exhausting 😉

    • Todd20036

      That would be a good thing.

      • Robincho

        Nothing says energetic buttsex like a well-drilled corps!…

        • JT

          That’s what drill instructors are all about.

    • Blake Jordan

      The amount of the butt sex is the same, they just do it in public now…

      • Todd20036

        Pics?

    • Reality Check

      And Bill Perdue will continue to rage about their being no difference between the Dems and the Republicans, ignoring this milestone and kvetching about our being enablers of DADT

      • popebuck1

        “Yes, but… but… they were all against it before they were for it!!!!”

      • LonelyLiberal

        That’s a one, so watch that shit. Twice more and I won’t be responsible for what happens, K?

      • Ninja0980

        Indeed, this repeal would NOT have happened under a Republican house, period.

  • LovesIrony

    Thanks to all our loyal gay troops, and fuck you to all the doomsdayers that held this up including you Manchin you homophobe.

  • Paula

    Haha, haters!!! Sometimes nothing happens.

  • mikeinrkfd

    Wow it’s been five years already and the sky has yet to fall?

    • Todd20036

      Well, it rained earlier. Does that count?

      • David Walker

        Did god send his rainbow?

        • Beagle

          Maybe. Too overcast to tell.

    • Gustav2

      For the first time I had to cut my Ohio lawn in mid-December…oh wait, that’s caused by something else.

      • Bj Lincoln

        While Autumn is long her in Charm City, we had to last week. I hope it stops growing. We need a break! LOL.

    • Alan43

      Nope. World hasn’t ended either

      Wonder what the haters will say when it’s the 5th anniversary of Obergafell

      • Oh, but it takes time — maybe a hundred years or more — for us to see the negative effects.

    • StraightGrandmother

      It’s hard to believe it has been 5 years.

  • Cousin Bleh

    Just looked what happened!

    • coram nobis

      Behr paint. Either that’s product placement by Home Depot, or a concession to the bear lobby.

  • Secure

    Ted Cruz wants it back. FU Ted Cruz!

    • Princess Lardass

      They(every Republican candidate) ALL want it back, whether they say so or not.

      • coram nobis

        Question is whether they would have the gall to ram it through. Getting rid of five years’ accumulated goodwill and “out” personnel would require a Stalin-type purge, and probably stir up trouble that the military wouldn’t like, what with people denouncing each other. But of course, if Cruz is president then everybody better fasten their seat belts.

        • Princess Lardass

          Yeah, I can see Cruz do something disastrous. Not sure about Rubio. I can’t tell if he’s sincere about rolling back gay rights or just talking the talk to get the Social Conservative base to endorse him and not Cruz.

          • coram nobis

            Rubio would have to say something really vulgar to gain points on Trump and Cruz, especially given Trump’s latest playground taunt. “Schlong?”

    • Octavio

      Let’s not fuck him. Let’s just have him reamed so hard he bleeds a lot.

  • Bess Watts

    So proud of my wife who was arrested in front of the White House over 5 years ago and spent the night in jail. Can’t believe it has been that long ago…

    • Toasterlad

      Thank you and your wife! YOU’RE why this law was finally repealed!

  • kiltedyak

    Thanks…this day actually made me feel like the silent service and my bronze star actually fucking mean something.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      thank you for your service, kiltedyak

    • Bj Lincoln

      Your comment brought tears to my soul.
      Your service means something every day to us and our country. Thank you so much for offering your life to fight for what is right and good about America and for putting your nature on hold in the closet to do so. No matter which battle was worse, they both made you a better man. Thank you for your service.

      • kiltedyak

        Thanks…It felt right, I lied about my orientation. I fought in combat and all for a system that would actually probably liked to have seen me dead for my orientation. I was bitter when I finally left the military 1996. I threw my original Bronze Star in a river, I still haven’t replaced it. I want to believe that I was worthy of it, but I was told that I wasn’t.
        When this happened 5 years ago I was vindicated (somewhat) and felt my service wasn’t shit and a sidebar to American History. I have a long way to go because those wounds are still deep.

        • Bj Lincoln

          Ramble on. It’s healthy. Sounds like you need to and that is OK. I can only imagine what it was like to do something so noble yet feel so unworthy. Replace your star and be proud of what you went through. You helped the cause by proving you could be gay and a great soldier even if no one knew it at the time. We know it now and are very proud of you. Take advantage of your healthcare and find a group of people who understand. Find a chat room. You can work past the bitter and come out the other side the proud piece of history you are. IF you can do all that, you can win the battle against the bitter feelings. No sweat. You are not crazy. You are human.

          • kiltedyak

            Thank you. I am working through it now and I work in a place that lets me be me. I am on the verge of re-ordering one. Maybe its the right time

  • Ray Muñez

    Hopefully, someone will put together a big list of predictions of what would happen if DADT was repealed. I remember a few:

    – Chaplains will be silenced and no one will dare file a complaint against a gay soldier if he commits misconduct (Elaine Donnelly)
    – Soldiers on the battlefield will be so distracted over this, they will lose limbs (John McCain)
    – The US military will cease to be combat effective (Bryan Fischer)
    – Openly gay officers will conspire to force out straight officers and eventually amass enough power to launch a coup d’etat (Scott Lively)
    – 1/3 of Marines will refuse to re-enlist (Various)
    – Christian parents won’t allow their sons to enlist (Various)

    • Yup….all those absurd claims and none of them have materialized. Of course the anti-gays will never admit that they were wrong….they always claim that these supposed negative consequences are just around the corner but then years later they keep saying….just more time.

      • Ray Muñez

        Well, they have basically forgotten about all of the old stuff and instead focus on one thing: the increase in reported sexual assaults in the military. Around the same time as DADT repeal, the Pentagon improved its reporting system and also introduced an alternative method of measuring sexual assaults. This led to increased reported numbers for male/female and male/male assaults. About half are male-on-male. So naturally, Tony Perkins, without doing any analysis of the data and without contacting the Pentagon, immediately claimed that this is a result of DADT repeal and that 1 or 2 percent of soldiers who are gay are committing 50% of the assaults. Of course the Pentagon says no such thing. The reason that half the assaults are male-male is because 86% of the military is male. But Perkins’ argument apparently is that gay soldiers complied with DADT because they didn’t want to lose their careers, but now that DADT is repealed, they are sexually assaulting people even though a sexual assault conviction would also ruin their careers and put them in prison.

    • Jerry

      These predictions are par for the course, like: death panels!!!; Obamacare will cost millions of jobs and insurance rates will skyrocket; runaway inflation!!!; stimulus didn’t create a single job; socialism!! They thrive on fear, and particularly fear of the “other”.

      • Bj Lincoln

        Every fear is unfounded and proven wrong in the long run.

    • KnownDonorDad

      I love how Lively’s is the craziest prediction…predictable, that.

      • Six Pins Delores

        Scotty and his projections

        • Bj Lincoln

          He is giving it all he’s got Captain!

          • coram nobis

            I canna make miracles, Captain!

        • Bj Lincoln

          I am such a Star Trek geek, my wife found me a 6 inch Scotty from the pilot in the packaging along with Kirk for the Solstice.

          • Six Pins Delores

            You are a lucky woman. I have yet to find the rest of Scotty 😉

            Happy holidays luv

          • Prixator

            I always thought that Scotty would be bigger. ;-/

      • Ray Muñez

        That guy is completely insane and also very angry. Bad combo. In his prediction column he actually went a little further, noting that once the gay officers get take over the military, they also would be in control of the US nuclear arsenal. He didn’t discuss this in detail, but he was clearly suggesting that the gays could use nuclear weapons to threaten the rest of the world and force it to accept homosexuality.

        • KnownDonorDad

          He was actually a guest on NPR once. I tried to call in but I was so livid I couldn’t form a coherent question to the call screener.

  • David Walker

    I repeat what Joe said: Thanks, Obama.

  • HZ81

    Thank you, Mr. President!

    And my proud Queermo service people. Thank you and I love you!

    And I am single. In Chicago. Love uniforms. And stuff. 🙂

  • And none of the supposed negative consequences that the anti-gays said would happen did happen. DADT repeal went down without a problem….just like we knew would happen. And now we also have sexual orientation protected under the equal opportunity program.

  • JT
    • Octavio

      Thanks for posting this. We cannot forget Matlovich and his important place in LGBT history.

      • Silver Badger

        He has passed into legend. He will not be forgotten.

      • coram nobis

        I remember the way he came out to make a point, and would amend the epitaph slightly: The military recognized that he had physical courage, which is why they gave him a medal, but was unable to see that he had a far higher order of moral courage.

        • Octavio

          Well, it’s the military where morality is mutable.

          • coram nobis

            I still think there should be a Medal of Virtue for those servicemembers who showed ethical courage, beyond that expected of servicemembers, in actions in question of U.S. policy or actions. Leonard Matlovich, for one; Hugh Thompson at My Lai, for another, or Joseph Darby and Antonio Taguba at Abu Ghraib.

          • Octavio

            Sounds reasonable, but I haven’t the greatest respect for how the military operates. Still, I suppose it’s better than most. The shit I witnessed in my short 2.5 years in the army has ruined my ability to be reasonable about how any branch operates. The corruption is remarkable.

  • coram nobis

    And just how many of the GOP presidential candidates would reverse the policy if elected? Count on Cruz or Huckabee, and maybe Rubio. And they could do it as president, since the executive branch usually sets Defense personnel policy (Congress enacted Don’t Ask to overrule the Clinton administration) and could simply issue a directive.

    Of course, this would mean that those personnel who came out in the last five years would be subject to discharge, and maybe other personnel would be named as well in the resulting purge. It might interfere with the wars that these candidates seem to want, so it would, to say the least, make 2017 an interesting year.

    • A GOP president might rip Sexual orientation out of the EO policy but none of them would dare try to put DADT back into place. the parade of soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen that would be affected and face discharge would be devastating and create a massive public backlash. they may want to turn back the clock but it is not politically feasible.

    • Toasterlad

      DADT was ruled unconstitutional in federal court in 2010. That’s why Obama finally pushed the repeal through Congress…so he wouldn’t have to continue to defend it court, and further alienate the gays who had watched him renege on DOMA and DADT for the first half of his term.

      DADT is dead.

      • coram nobis

        All very well, but don’t assume a GOP president won’t try. They’ve said, in varying ways, that they would either ignore such rulings as Obergefell or appoint new jurists with no respect for stare decisis who would reverse a lot of rulings.

        • Toasterlad

          They would absolutely try; they’ve proven that the rule of law means nothing to them. However, I don’t believe they’d be able to make much headway, given the existing precedent. I’m far from a legal scholar, but I don’t think one has to be to know that both marriage and military service are settled law, no matter how many religious freedom tantrums the right throws. Can they continue to make life miserable for people who have already been granted their civil rights? Absolutely. But, generally speaking, not lastingly, and, hopefully speaking, not for much longer. Old, bitter GOPers die every fucking day.

  • JCF

    BREAKING: Thomas Roberts on MSNBC just reported that a female US Air Force major was among those killed in Afghanistan yesterday, “her wife said”. RIP. :-(..

  • DutchBoy74

    A sweet part of the bittersweet feelings I have for Obama.

  • pickypecker
  • TJay229

    Oh how I love that Black Man..!

    • Phillip in L.A.

      “Ooh! how I love a black man on my mind”

      –Meshell NdegeOcello, “(Let Me Run My Fingers Through Your) Dred Locks,” from the album Plantation Lullabies (1993)

    • HanyBaal

      Bryan Fischer? is that you?

      • TJay229

        No Maggie Gallagher

  • A President Ted Cruz, together with a Republican Senate (perhaps one that kills the filibuster) and a Republican House can easily reinstate don’t ask don’t tell. They probably won’t but I put the odds today of thetr being one – party Republican rule in Washington after January 2017 at 40%. A Democratic Presidency or Senate are nowhere near assured. LGBT people should not take our hard-earned rights since 2009 casually — they need to be defended.

    • KnownDonorDad

      How incredibly cruel it would be to reinstate DADT – and Ted Cruz is just the heartless theocrat to do it.

      • The Senate is key. Odds are the House is going to remain hard Republican through the next election. A Democratic Senate would stop this, and a Republican Senate with moderate Republican Senators like Susan Collins probably won’t allow it to pass either. But it COULD happen. We need to push the odds of taking back the Senate from the Republicans next November — this election is not all about the Presidency.

    • Toasterlad

      DADT was ruled unconstitutional in federal court in 2010. That’s why Obama finally pushed the repeal through Congress…so he wouldn’t have to continue to defend it court, and further alienate the gays who had watched him renege on DOMA and DADT for the first half of his term.

      DADT is dead, constitutionally speaking.

      • thanks for the info.

        • Toasterlad

          You’re welcome. Your point is still valid: we can not take our rights for granted.

  • coram nobis

    And a sidebar to this story: one of the architects of DADT repeal just confirmed as undersecretary of the Army.

    http://www.washingtonblade.com/2015/12/20/leader-in-dont-ask-repeal-confirmed-to-army-post/

    • Yup, and the acting, soon to be, Secretary of the Army is a gay man.

    • TampaDink

      An excellent choice. Straight allies like him are part of what has helped us all get this far.

  • Silver Badger

    History will remember President Obama as one of the greatest statesmen of his century.

  • Silver Badger

    Is it too late to get that pesky two term law changed? (I’m awfully naive for the old fart as I am.)

    • coram nobis

      The two-term limit is in the 22nd Amendment. Would take another amendment to change that.

      • Silver Badger

        Should have started sooner then. Too bad.

  • DesertSun59

    This former US Marine is slightly saddened that I served DECADES before DADT was lifted. Nonetheless, I’m proud to say that I know this guy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/28/matthew-phelps-ben-schock-wedding_n_3348126.html

    • Necessitas

      Thanks for your service to our country. I tangled with DADT and DADT won.
      I’m especially glad those days are over and nobody has to go through that particular horseshit again.

  • Toasterlad

    Say, rather, thank you Daniel Choi. Thank you, Servicemembers Legal Defense Fund. Thank you to the Log Cabin Republicans for pushing the issue through the courts. Thank you, all the military men and women who would not be silent and allow the Democrats to move on the issue when it was politically expedient.

    WE made this happen. Not Obama. Not Congress. Not the courts. It is OUR victory.

    • coram nobis

      A very great salute indeed to SLDN, who did years of careful preparatory work.

  • band

    Suck it, Wayne Anderson and Michael Bedwell.

  • Necessitas

    Well, it’s worth popping a bottle of bubbly for that! It took a lot of work and time.

  • EqualityForAll

    I’m so happy that it was finally repealed. I remember more than 40 years ago having to suck fellow Airman cock in total secrecy. It’s a good thing our wives weren’t privy at the time.

  • Ninja0980

    And to date, none of the horrible, evil things that were supposed to happen with the repeal of the ban have come to pass.
    This ban was all about bigotry and nothing more, yet the bigots fought to uphold it because they knew if the military went, so would the rest of society and they were right.