The New York Times Finally Notices That GOP Candidates Attended “Death To Gays” Convention

The notice only comes via an op-ed column but it’s better than nothing. From the column:

The comfortable thing to do would be to dismiss Mr. Swanson as just another wombat from the embarrassing fringe of American politics. But that would be a mistake. Mr. Swanson’s murderous imaginings did not interfere with his ability to attract senior Republican figures to his conference, including as a keynote speaker Bob Vander Plaats, an Iowa politician who will grant the “Most Wanted Endorsement of 2016,” according to the Conservative Review.

When talking about religious conservatives in America, we might perhaps conjure up an image of a farmer in Iowa or a small-business owner in Ohio who goes to church and holds traditional values. But the leaders to whom such conservatives deliver their votes have a distinct, often different, political vision. When they hail religious liberty, they do not mean the right to pray and worship with other believers. Instead, the phrase has become a catchall for tactical goals of seeking exemptions from the law on religious grounds. To claim exception from the law as a right of “religious refusal” is, of course, the same as claiming the power to take the law into one’s own hands.

The leaders of this movement are breathtakingly radical. Like Mr. Swanson, they feel persecuted and encircled in a hostile world. Like him, they believe that America will find peace only when all submit to the one true religion. True, few share Mr. Swanson’s taste for genocidal fantasy. But they do share the ultimate goal of capturing the power of the state and remaking society in ways most Americans would find extreme: a world in which men rule in families, women’s reproductive freedom is curtailed and “Bible believers” run the government.

  • Cambel

    The article still seemed to soft peddle his extremism.

    • Mark Slade

      The fact that they mention it at all is remarkable for the conservative media.

      • TampaDink

        Conservative media? I am constantly reading that there is no such thing….that all media is librul.

    • KnownDonorDad

      Well sure, he didn’t personally call for killings, he just noted God calls for it, and of course God needs to be obeyed. Totally different.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      “Both sides do it!”

      — your free press.

      • popebuck1

        Hey, those nasty gays are totally MAKING helpless Christians bake cakes for them. That is TOTALLY the same thing.

        • TampaDink

          My favorite part of doing this is forcing people who have never baked anything for anyone in their entire lives to bake me wedding cakes. I usually do this on Thursdays. ☺

    • The Sentinel

      “True, few share Mr. Swanson’s taste for genocidal fantasy.” Um, guess again.

    • Michael Rush

      When he said ” To claim exception from the law as a right of “religious refusal” is, of course, the same as claiming the power to take the law into one’s own hands. ” that seems like something even an idiot like Kim Davis would understand . Well maybe not .

  • JaniceInToronto

    And in other news, Canada has started a Kickstarter campaign to build the wall.

    • Michael Smith

      Millions of Americans announce they will donate in exchange for Canadian Citizenship and travel accommodations.

      • bkmn

        But what side would Justin Bieber wind up on?

        • Stubenville

          Hopefully under the foundation.

        • bambinoitaliano

          Your side!! 🙂

        • BudClark

          Flat on his back with his legs in the air.

          • bkmn

            And his mouth full.

      • bambinoitaliano

        Joemygod site will be use as initial screening process. I’ll be the self appointed security agent to view the xray and fondle eligible candidates.

  • Blake Jordan

    They are largely impotent (thankfully) version of a Christian ISIS!!!

  • Larry Larson

    My favorite NYT reader comment:
    Louise Milone – Decatur, GA
    What is the difference between an ISIS leader in Syria killing in the name of Allah and a “Christian” pastor in America who believes we ought to round up and kill millions of Americans because according to his reading of the bible, they are living contrary to god’s teaching and are destroying our nation because they anger god. Is that really any different than an Islamic radical saying that Christians are living contrary to god’s teachings and should convert or die?

    • Robert Adams

      The difference is very simple. One has the true Supreme Being on his side, and the other just thinks he does.

      • JT

        Very simple to a simpleton.

      • Phil2u

        Let’s see…. now, which one would that be?

        • Todd20036

          Priapus (duh!)

      • ChrisMorley

        Technically its the same god, for Jews, Christians and Muslims.

      • popebuck1

        And vice versa.

    • FAEN

      Well said Louise. There is no difference and you better believe if the Faux Christians here COULD get away with throwing GLBT’s off buildings they would. In the name of Baby Jeebus of course.

    • Cackalaquiano

      The extreme fundamental Christians simply believe they’re right, that they have God on their side, and that’s the end of it. There’s really no amount of rational discussion that can get past that.

      • Duane Dimitrov

        When your belief system is based on a book of supernatural bullshittery written by pre-scientific savages millennia ago, well, “rational” doesn’t come into the equation.

        But at least Christianity is great terrain for grifters to make a shit-ton of money! No better swindle than the religious swindle; you get to rake in cold, hard cash for providing…nothing.

        • FAEN

          Are you telling me that Faux Christian’s real God is money? I’m shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!!!

          • Duane Dimitrov

            Argh! Your apostrophe is misplaced!

            Unacceptable.

          • FAEN

            I’ll join a support group and try to go on with my life.

          • Duane Dimitrov

            Please do!

      • Glen

        Which is why we need to attack the problem at its root. Religion.

        No longer should religion be given a place of deference or respect, let alone esteem, in society.

        Religion is essentially the fervent, often desperately held, belief in wholly unsubstantiated imaginary fantasy beliefs as being REAL, despite a total lack of evidence, and even in the face of contradictory evidence.

        Why? WHY!!? Would we think this is something to uphold and value? Religion should be denounced. Those who hold religious beliefs should be ridiculed. And it ought to become a grave insult to be called ‘religious’.

        And yes, that’s regardless of whether they hold what decent civilized society considers to be good beliefs. Because to allow unsubstantiated imaginary beliefs to go unchallenged simply because the beliefs themselves are harmless, or even good, opens the door WIDE open for those who hold less than good beliefs to feel 100% justified in their evil beliefs and actions. They can feel that since the majority agree that this imaginary all powerful ruler and creator of the universe is real and tells people what to do, that he has told THEM what must be done.

    • Stev84

      Fundamentalist religion of all kind is almost identical. Especially the ideology behind it. The only difference with Muslims is that they can turn their murderous fantasies into reality. Christians did the exact same thing for centuries.

      Even Buddhist have their fundamentalists. Look at Myanmar, Thailand and Sri Lanka. Very nasty. Also corruption and sexual abuse that rivals the Catholics.

      • Michael White

        I suggest the are all identical: control others and the way they think and act

      • 1Myles1

        I don’t think it is muslims who are inspiring the murders of transgender people or encouraging the suicides of gay children.

        • JT

          They’re just throwing gay people off buildings and stoning them.

          • PeterC

            Not all Muslims; just the ISIS radical segment.

          • colin payne

            Iranians may not be throwing gays off buildings, but they’re very good at hanging them until dead.

          • JT

            Gay people face capital punishment by law in Iran and Saudi Arabia (where there have been beheadings).

          • Steve Teeter

            When that radical segment is in charge in a region, as ISIS is in much of Syria and Iraq, it doesn’t matter that ordinary Muslims think throwing gays off of buildings is too extreme. They’re cowed into submission by ISIS’s willingness to use whatever violence is necessary to maintain its rule. They’re as terrified of being beheaded, slowly, as you and I would be if we were there. And even if some ordinary Muslims have guns, they’re completely outgunned by ISIS. They can’t fight back. This leaves ISIS free to do whatever it wants to do to advance its radical agenda.

        • Delphini

          This type of behavior from Muslim families would certainly seem to encourage suicide: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8446458.stm
          (Yes, I’m aware that some Muslims are pro-gay, just like some Christian churches are.)
          If you mean that Muslims don’t have the same influence in North America, well then you have a point. An American imam promoting an exotic-sounding theology simply isn’t going to have the same impact on his fellow citizens as a nice preacher who makes an effort to appear reasonable or someone like James Dobson bragging about his Ph.D., or Mark Regnerus reassuring people that he’s a scientist and science says gay people are bad and inferior.

    • Ninja0980

      There is none other then ISIS is doing what Christian extremists in the U.S. can only dream of doing for now.

    • Nic Peterson

      Dear Louise,

      The man said he would sit outside the church and smear cow shit on himself if one of his sons marries another man. Down in Georgia, I believe y’all say ‘he ain’t right’ when such things are said.

      Welcome to our program already in progress. Looks like you have some catching up to do.

    • Christopher

      Good on you Louise Milone from Decatur, GA!

      Cheers!

    • Duane Dimitrov

      LMAO!

      It’s hilarious watching these people connect the dots…and the flash of insight that happens when they see conservatives in America for what they are: dangerous theocratic radicals who, given half a chance, would destroy our secular republic.

      Of course, it’s less hilarious watching these same people recoil from that realization into the safe arms of their imagined Eisenhower Republicanism.

      • David Walker

        Nevertheless, a light bulb turned on here, a light bulb turned on there, pretty soon a lot of people get to see the cockroaches scurry. Please be patient with new-found allies. I understand “where the hell have they been?” However, they’re here now, they get it, and, like anything new, they need to be nursed along.

        • Duane Dimitrov

          Really? I dunno.

          I mean, you’re right, but 50+ years of propagandizing by conservatives takes its toll. Most of these people are SOOOOOOO difficult to talk to.

          My generation has lost whole sections of our families to the conservative movement. I mean, I can’t talk to at least 1/3 of my family because they’ve fallen down the hole dug by Roger Ailes et al.

          Very irritating.

          • David Walker

            True. You can judge my age from my avatar. Except for my sister, I have no contact with my family (and it’s fairly large), so it’s not a new thing. Neither is the all-around persecution. Roger Ailes has blood on his hands, but this “latest” assault was started by the still-dead-thank-you-Jeebus Jerry Falwell.

            In PA, I’d hoped we’d get an anti-discrimination bill on the floor this fall. The “honorable member” who is charge of saying what will and won’t be allowed is also the “honorable member” who wanted PA to have discrimination against guess who be part of the state’s constitution. Thus, no way in the House, and the Senate is just as crammed full of hateful and/or dumb republicans.

            It isn’t irritating. It is fucking infuriating.

  • Sean

    “Like him, they believe that America will find peace only when all submit to the one true religion. True, few share Mr. Swanson’s taste for genocidal fantasy. But they do share the ultimate goal of capturing the power of the state and remaking society in ways most Americans would find extreme: a world in which men rule in families, women’s reproductive freedom is curtailed and “Bible believers” run the government.”

    Just like ISIS but without the deadly violence (for now).

  • doesn’t mention the fact that Jindal, Cruz and Huckabee were there, too. Maddow did when she covered this last week.

    • Gustav2

      Thanks Ms Maddow for getting the ball rolling.

      • GayOldLady

        I think we should give JMG some of that credit too!!!!

  • Kevin Perez

    New York Times motto: “Yesterday’s News, Tomorrow” or “Hillary Clinton’s Email”.

    • RoFaWh

      “All the news that fits we print”

  • secretlab

    Right Wing Watch’s original video of the lunatic Kevin Swanson’s ‘kill the gays’ spew at the conference, and their entire YouTube channel appear to still be offline due to Swanson’s spurious takedown notice. Come on, YouTube, you serve the most evil mofos on the planet when you do this.

  • LonelyLiberal

    Give her a break, the Gray Lady is getting old and slow.

    • Robert Adams

      Yeah. The NYT’s motto used to be, “All the news that’s fit to print”. But I’m seeing evidence of a new slogan, “All the news that fits in print”.

      • LonelyLiberal

        All The News That We Have The Energy To Report. And Get Off Our Lawn.

      • Stubenville

        Funny how they have LOTS of room for puff pieces on fashion.

        • Steve Teeter

          Oh, god. Every couple of weeks the “New York Times Style Magazine” arrives in the paper on Sunday. Not just puff pieces on fashion, but endless pages of expensive, expensive fashion ads for everything imaginable. It’s usually 2 or 3 times thicker than the actual Times Sunday Magazine, and much less consequential. The real magazine does stories that are actually important. I always throw the Style Magazine right out.

      • canoebum

        Or, as I read it in Mad Magazine as a kid, “All the news that fits”.

    • oikos
      • Todd20036

        Coulter without her makeup?

      • LonelyLiberal

        “I’m real sorry this happened to you.” BANG.

        One of the best kill lines in television history.

  • Gustav2

    The NYT is a good start, now if we can get a “William F Buckley” to do what he did to the Birchers.

  • while everyone is justifiably upset about what’s happening overseas, it’s not “insulting” to point out that here in north america, westernized Christianity is also responsible for the deaths of hundreds, no – THOUSANDS, of LGBT people. sure, they didn’t die all at once. but they were killed. driven to suicide. beaten. disowned. abandoned. all in the supposed name of Jesus.

    • Ninja0980

      Indeed, you don’t have to have your hand on the gun to help pull the trigger.

  • Bob from CT

    And when I saw the screencap accompanying the post, this is all I could think of…

    https://youtu.be/vTcheaqt0rU

  • Max_1

    And my name was mentioned at my mother’s funeral, even if it was a spit-take?
    Ummm… Joe, a mention and a nod aren’t always complimentary, you know.

    The NYT should be lambasted for failing to cover the story… PERIOD!

    • FAEN

      Not just the NYT-the majority of the media hasn’t covered this story. On the other hand had a Muslim Imam called for our death they would have nailed his ass to a wall. As they should of course but the double standard pisses me off.

      • David Walker

        I’m not sure about that. I have the feeling that if that Imam called for our death, nobody would really care, and our extremist xns might even help things along. Death to America…there’d be reaction; death to the fags…crickets.

        • FAEN

          Our extremist Xns hate Moozlems more than they hate us fags.

  • Octavio

    Better late than never, I suppose.

  • Stubenville

    I’ve been long baffled by the short shrift the New York Times gives LGBT issues. It seems that they only pick up on stories after other national outlets have run them.

    The article on the lesbian couple who were ordered to give up their adopted child appeared four hours after the LA Times ran the story, and the NY Times buried it on the US section (it was at the top of the main page on the LA Times website.)

    Time for the debate moderators to stop chucking softballs and ask a few candidates why they’re “palling around” with lunatics who call for a Christian theocracy and LGBT genocide.

    • Steve Teeter

      The New York Times has never been the friendliest place for us. For years, I think through the 70s, the word “homosexual” was banned for use in NYT articles. Even after that was allowed, “gay” was not, for years. That they published this op-ed at all can be seen as progress.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    The NY Times as Emily Litella: “What’s all this fuss I keep hearing about me-ocracy? I think it would be great if we were ruled by me! I, uh, what? Oh, that’s something completely different. Never Mind.”

    • BobSF_94117

      “What’s all this fuss I keep hearing about the mockracy? I don’t think it’s very nice to make fun of people and it doesn’t seem like a very good way to run a country.”

  • bambinoitaliano

    I think many LBGT media was picking up on it and the story seems to has some leg. Hopefully it will get more mainstream exposure.

    • Stubenville

      It’s exceedingly hard to ignore a story once it’s appeared in the LA Times or the NY Times.

  • Octavio

    “. . . a world in which men rule in families, women’s reproductive freedom is curtailed and “Bible believers” run the government.” and “Oh, Kitten? Why don’t you take this plate of fresh brownies up to Bud and see if he doesn’t feel better.”

  • Robert Conner

    What’s the difference between fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims? If a fundamentalist Muslim declared that millions of American citizens should be rounded up and murdered by the state because of some verse in the Quran, the whole fucking country would explode in indignation. If a fundamentalist Christian says the same thing, three GOP presidential candidates show up.

    • FAEN

      You win the internet today.

    • Bj Lincoln

      Exactly!

    • Octoberfurst

      Spot on!

  • AJD

    It wasn’t even from a NYT writer, but a guest columnist. So still waiting for the paper itself to notice.

    We shouldn’t have to rely on opinion pieces or left-wing/LGBT media to read about these things.

  • nycmcmike

    It’s amusing when an American right-wing Evangelical will say ISIS would killthe homosexual seeing it’s a safe bet if ISIS had to choose between a homosexual and an American right-wing Evangelical they would no doubt kill the Evangelical.

    • BobSF_94117

      No. They would kill the homosexual and tax the Evangelical.

      • Steve Teeter

        That’s right. I think it’s called the dhimma, the tax non-Muslims have had to pay to live in a Muslim land without being murdered.

  • delk

    Everytime I see a picture of this piece of shit it looks like he is suffering the effects of massive doses of anti-schizophrenia drugs.

    He looks like my little sister could beat his ass.

  • Ninja0980

    I can still remember the battle for marriage equality here in NY and how the opposing side was portrayed as simply having a different viewpoint.
    As here, their extremism was overlooked or downplayed.
    When the bigots came to Syracuse, my family members got to encounter signs stating it that the only punishment for gay people like my husband and I was death according to the Bible.
    This was on the main street leading up to our stadium where basketball, football and lacrosse was played yet our paper didn’t say a damn word about it.
    No different here or in the many other cases we’ve seen on JMG.
    There are people in this country who truly believe it’s okay to kill us because the Bible says so and yet, we are told again to ignore that fact.
    Sorry but I can’t.
    It is only a matter of time before one of the followers of these crackpots follows through on the calls these guys are making and when it happens, the media is going to play dumb and act like they didn’t see it coming.
    They know this stuff is going on, they simply don’t care.

    • Because we are not their demographic. It’s older white xtian male bigots they are feeding.

    • Steve Teeter

      It’s already happened. I recall a case a few years ago of a lesbian couple living in the deep south who were attacked, murdered, and their bodies burned. The police did catch the killer, who was acting out of pure hatred, but the media barely noticed.

      In fact, I think I read about it here.

  • TheManicMechanic

    American Daesh.

  • Christopher

    “This movement is a power to be reckoned with in Republican Party politics. Mr. Cruz, for one, is basing his strategy on winning its support. Ben Carson told a Liberty University convocation this month of his concern that so many people “are trying to push God out of our lives.””

    No! Stop right there! We are not trying to push God out of YOUR lives. We are just fed up with ALL OF YOU pushing YOUR god into OUR lives!

    After 2,000 years one can only take so much. Not everyone has to live by YOUR rules.

    It doesn’t seem long until we start hearing “Christian Terrorist” here. We’ve already had more than a few examples of their so called “Christian Love”.

    • David Walker

      xn terrorists? Absolutely. I’m thankful that although they are stupid enough to follow assholes, the sheeple have yet to organize. That, as I see it, is the primary difference between fundamentalist xns and ISIS…and I’m VERY concerned that one of the fucking “leaders” will figure out the wrong thing to say. Their followers are not all old people or Hoverounders. The various civilian military shits (our well-trained militia) are looking for an excuse to kill. If they can be told that god is on their side, they’re on it. I, for one, fear for my country…not from attacks from the outside but from what is happening within.

  • Teabaggers are the Isis of the Christian World. They exist to spout their homophobic hate speech and calls for the deaths to gay people resulting in the hatred for the entire Christian faith. Drive the Christian out of America. Do it today before they kill each and every one of us.

  • Marc10

    Sadly, Swanson seems like one of those types who simultaneously rants about gays, while getting gang-fucked by five men. I’m not saying I want this asshole to be part of the community, but it only seems like a matter of time before he is caught in a sling at a bathhouse.

    • Azima Khan

      They’re as much part of our community as the Sith are part of the Jedi. Same fabulous, but twisted by fear, anger and hate.

    • Steve Teeter

      You still have bathhouses?

  • Rebecca Gardner

    It’s just an Op-Ed, but it’s a start. Shine the lights on these cockroaches.

    https://twitter.com/BikerBecca/status/666368188934807552

  • EdA

    There are about as many members in Southern Baptist Convention churches, 15 million, as there are a minimum of LGBT Americans, and each and every one of them CHOSE to be a Southern Baptist. Probably the vast majority of them vote Republican, and, based on Jesus’ explicit teachings in Matthew 25:41 ff, they will all burn in hell until the end of time and beyond.

    I suspect that any political candidate who participated in an event sponsored by an evil sicko who advocated the death penalty for Southern Baptists on religious grounds would pretty promptly be toast. And I suspect that it would attract greater notice.

  • Duane Dimitrov

    Oh my goodness!

    Conservatives are not actually “conservative,” and instead are “dangerous un-American radicals?”

    What! I CANNOT believe this! When did this happen? Oh, a while ago? A long while ago? What do you mean “have I been paying attention,” of course I have!

  • bob

    It’s about time! Huck and jin are irrelevant at this time, but cruz needs to be called out on this! The lie that he knew nothing about swanson needs to be exposed!

    • LovesIrony

      yeah the fucking jake tapper told him and cruz ducked the question, tapper still gives cruz cover on it

  • coram nobis

    Fun fact: groups like this enjoy a religious tax exemption, something not mentioned in the U.S. constitution but the result of a 1970 Supreme Court ruling, Walz v. Tax Commission. The Court meant it to encourage charitable work, not hate-mongering or electioneering, and maybe it’s time they re-examine this when they take up the latest religion case, this term.

  • Interviewers give the SPLC designated hate groups spokesmen a pass about gay issues. They treat them with kid gloves, never nailing them for their racism or bigotry. And the political interviews are just as limp and weak as dishwater.

    • Homo Erectus

      I would love to see Swanson give that speech again, but substitute “liberals” for “homoseckuals”.

      • Yup yup! Or catholics, or mormons, asians, or just any body but us.

  • KnownDonorDad

    If you saw Swanson saying the exact same thing on the street, away from his pulpit, you’d assume he was a mentally ill homeless man.

    • Homo Erectus

      Ditto for James Manning.

    • Canadian Observer

      Exactly the same assumption I make when he speaks from the pulpit.

  • billbear1961

    For Christ’s SAKE, just SAY IT so people FULLY understand: a world in which the the constitutional Rule of Law is replaced by total and unquestioning submission to whichever SAVAGE biblical rules it pleases these self-important, power-mad, unbelievably two-faced, crooked BARBARIANS, who strut around pretending they’re GOD, to impose on their unwilling neighbours and their own friends and families–a world where the tenets of genuine democracy, the concept of equality under the law for ALL in a FREE society, the Rule of REASON in a civilized, modern, enlightened society are replaced by a mindless and brutal THEOCRACY.

    EDIT: CJ saw this and, without seeing the subject of the thread, asked if I was talking about the GOP or ISIS.

    To which I replied: “EXACTLY!!”

    • Steve Teeter

      There you go, Mr. Bear.

  • Ninja0980

    The 80’s AIDS crisis shows exactly what these people will do to us when they have the chance.
    And that is wipe us out.

  • NancyP

    Can we ship Swanson to ISIS-held Syria? After all, according to the ISIS mindset, it’s all good if he just pays the non-Muslim tax, they would likely let him live. But he’d have to shut up! No proselytizing allowed, and since they don’t believe in elections, no electioneering either.

  • Steven Leahy

    Too little, too late

  • How did we get to the point that social media is the driver for actual journalism?

    • GreatLakeSailor

      media consolidation.

  • Claude Jacques Bonhomme