ITALY: High Court Orders Mayors To Remove Foreign Same-Sex Marriages From City Registries

Italian Interior Minister Angelino Alfano has won a battle before Italy’s highest administrative court which will force mayors to remove foreign same-sex marriages from city registries. Last year Rome Mayor Ignazio Marino defied Italian law by registering 16 marriages conducted abroad and his action was followed by several other mayors. The Gazzetta del Sud reports:

“Last year my circular banning the transcription of gay marriages contracted abroad drew controversy, sometimes even violent aggression and a hail of appeals. Now the Council of State has borne me out entirely: marriage between two people of the same sex is not contemplated under Italian law, therefore the transcriptions made by local mayors are illegal and monitoring is the competence of the prefect. Very good,” Alfano said.

The ruling, which overturned an earlier verdict by the Lazio regional administrative tribunal (TAR) that transcriptions in civil registers of gay marriages contracted abroad could only be annulled by court order, was a blow to gay rights campaigners tired of waiting for lawmakers to give same-sex couples some form of legal recognition in Italy. Senator and foreign ministry undersecretary Benedetto Della Vedova described the ruling as “a victory for none and a defeat for all”. “It is the defeat of a country that remains at the starting post as regards gay rights, which urgently need to be regulated,” he said.

Alfano is the head of Italy’s New Centre-Right Party. A protege of notorious anti-gay former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, in 2002 Alfano was caught up in scandal after video surfaced of him being greeted warmly by mafia boss Croce Napoli at the wedding of Napoli’s daughter.

RELATED: Two weeks ago Italy’s long-awaited civil unions bill was introduced in the upper chamber of the national legislature. The bill is expected to pass easily IF it gets past parliamentary roadblocks and actually gets to a vote.

  • pickypecker
  • bkmn

    This kind of thing is why the EU needs to push harder for equality in its member nations.

    • ChrisMorley

      We’ve got a big problem with the rise of the racist anti-refugee right in the east and Balkans.

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  • Judas Peckerwood

    What the fuck is wrong with Italy?

    • Stev84

      The Catholic Church

      • Judas Peckerwood

        Yeah, but it goes a lot deeper than that. Remember when the national government prosecuted and convicted a group of seismologists for manslaughter for failing to predict a deadly earthquake? That shit’s one small step away from burning witches.

        • Octavio

          Agreed. Plus . . . it’s Italy.

          • NancyP

            Italy and the Roman Church have a lot in common – Don’t ask, don’t tell!

    • j.martindale

      When I have been there, I got the feeling the gays were deeply in the closet. Not much of a home grown Pride comittment that I saw. Perhaps someone else got a different feel. That could have something to do with family dynamics and, of course, the damned church.

      • MattM

        No, you’re definitely right. Except for the few who flamed too brightly to hide (or maybe just refused to hide?), I saw no discussion of pride or a gay rights movement.

      • Tor

        Last time I was there, 2000, all gay bars were “private clubs,” and you had to have a card issued by the national gay organization, Archigay (If memory serves me) to be admitted. You could pick one up at any bar, but you had to have it.

        • Now Anon

          Arcigay. And my feeling that this was protection for the clubs, not that they seemed to need it. Apart from the excellent work they (Arcigay) do, it did feel a bit like a shakedown.

    • Soren456

      They all still live with their mothers.

    • camel54

      It’s politicians, the church and the mafia. Basically, all in the same club.

  • Oh, come on, Italy! Break the stranglehold of the Church! Much of the rest of Europe has.

  • rednekokie

    Italy has never been known for its inclusion of human rights in the ordinary running of everyday affairs. Remember Mussolini?
    Not much has changed.

    • Stev84

      But he made the trains run on time!

      Though Americans really shouldn’t be lecturing other countries on human rights by looking at their past.

  • Reasonoverhate

    We spent two weeks in Italy back in April. No one really seemed to care if you are gay but no one really discusses it either. Interestingly, we were told that the Italian people are not very religious these days but they do hold to old traditions rooted in the church. We had a wonderful time and met a lot of very welcoming, kind people. Their stance on gay rights seems at odds with their hospitable nature. Not to mention, have you seen Italian men????? While we were there we liked to play a game we called “Gay or Italian?”……most of the time it was a toss up!

  • Octavio

    Italians. Go figure. :=/

  • Clungeflaps

    All the europhiles on here should realize that europe is not some ultra progressive open minded Elysium. Spend some time around them, they make people from rural Mississippi look like Andrea Dworkin.

    • Now Anon

      Hmmmm… Anything more specific than a clever analogy to offer on this topic? It doesn’t match anything I’ve ever encountered.

  • William

    If you don’t smile Angelino, you’ll never get a husband.

    • billbear1961

      Who’ll show you what to do with that goddamned finger!

      (There’s nothing quite so galling as being lectured by someone who hangs out with gangsters!)

    • billbear1961

      That was “galling,” not “calling,” Sweet William!

  • MattM

    People just don’t realize how homophobic Italy is, even amongst the younger generations. Even the few out Italian gays have extreme internalized homophobia (Dolce & Gabbana, for example).

    • camel54

      Well, I live in Italy, admittedly in the less catholic north, but my partner and I are registered here as legal cohabitees and find a lot of support for some form of legal partnership recognition. Particularly among the young. And we have suffered no overt homophobia, not from anyone in our area.

    • Now Anon

      I worked in Italy for some time about 10 years ago and never saw any homophobia of an overt nature. And this was in the conservative south — Naples and Sicily.

      I did encounter amazing lookism of the kind prevalent in the US in the 80s at the one gay disco in Catania — but most of the people there were from North Africa and places like Lebanon and Syria.

  • Tommy

    Who is Alfano calling shoeshine boy? Busting a wise guy’s balls.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pQ6fd6iO_c

  • bdsmjack

    Damn. I’ve been to Italy twice and was planning another trip next year, but this bums me out.

    • billbear1961

      We’d like to go to Rome, especially to see the Pantheon.

      But how can we do it without feeling guilty?

      Italy’s behaviour with regard to gay rights is utterly SHAMEFUL.

      🙁

      • bdsmjack

        I never experienced any anti-gay attitude on either of my trips there. On the contrary, everyone I encountered was polite, friendly and generous.

        Check out the Cinque Terre!

        • billbear1961

          I’ve seen Rome listed as THE friendliest city in the world to tourists.

          And I think it’s very gay-friendly, as well, UNLESS you stray too far into the suburbs (I’ve been told).

          • Now Anon

            In a more southerly direction (and just 2 hours by high-speed train from Roma), I also highly recommend Napoli, Costiera Amalfitana (Amalfi Coast), and a
            casual stroll through the ruins of Pompeii (which is kind of like
            getting to sit on the furniture at Versaille, it’s so open).

          • billbear1961

            We’d like to see Hadrian’s villa, too.

            That’s pretty close to Rome.

          • Now Anon

            Ooh! Fabulous! If you’re not going to be driving, there must be tours that go out there from Rome.

          • GanymedeRenard

            Oh, billbear, it might (just might) be the friendliest city in the world to tourists in general, but not gay tourists in particular. Trust me on this.

          • billbear1961

            What I saw online was for tourists in general, yes!

      • ChrisMorley

        Make a donation to charities campaigning in Italy for LGBT rights?

        • billbear1961

          Charities?

          You mean political groups?

          • Now Anon
          • ChrisMorley

            That’s what LGBT campaigning organisations in Britain are. I don’t know how they are organised and whether the get tax breaks in Italy.

          • billbear1961

            Oh, I think you mean non-profits.

          • GanymedeRenard

            Yeah, I think he does. In British English, a charity is a non-profit/NGO.

          • billbear1961

            I will have to ask a British acquaintance about this.

            🙂

          • GanymedeRenard

            😉

      • camel54

        Just go to Rome and enjoy it. Just be yourselves, you’ll find a warm welcome.

  • billbear1961

    Fucking fascist PIG!

    Go hang out some more with your gangster pals–you occupy the same moral GUTTER.

  • Baby Dave

    The United States fought so hard to stop left wing governments from coming to power in Italy during he post-war period. The CIA made direct transfers to the right wing parties and wrote propaganda for them.

    Now, we reap the fruits of those efforts. Silvio Berlusconi. Allesandra Mussolini. This guy. The Bertoli pasta people.

    I’ve been reading Tim Weiner’s book Legacy of Ashes, a history of the CIA. The lesson I’m drawing from it so far is, term-limited Presidents wield the agency to advance their own personal short term political aims. They can’t get elected more than twice, so any long term effects further down the road than 8 years is nothing they care about. Eisenhower’s overthrow of Mossadegh led to the Ayatollahs, and our support for the Mujahadeen under Carter led to the Taliban. The shortsightedness of both Presidents is attributable to the system by which they govern. Neither man could hold power beyond 2 terms, therefore they had no reason to think any further than 8 years.

    We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us.

    • ChrisMorley

      However perhaps the book goes on to point out the severe downsides to allowing Presidents more than two terms. Power corrupts. They turn towards megalomania. Look at Mugabe.

      • Baby Dave

        I’m about ¾ of the way finished, and it hasn’t made that point yet. Remember, this is a text about the latter half of the 20th century in American government,a period in which every President has had a 2 term limit. The government of Zimbabwe wouldn’t be relevant to the book’s topic

      • billbear1961

        They brought the term limitation in because FDR–the BEST President we EVER had, except perhaps for Lincoln–was elected four times (but sadly died a few months into his 4th term).

        We have strayed far from Franklin and Eleanor’s work and are paying the horrible price for it!

        I doubt we shall ever see their like again.

        The right is DESTROYING this democracy–death by a thousand cuts!!

        • ChrisMorley

          I would worry if the dynastic trends in US presidential elections were allowed the chance to calcify further by returning to the pre-Roosevelt rules. He might have been untainted by a tendency to megalomania but there is at least one warning study
          “Hubris syndrome: An acquired personality disorder? A study of US Presidents and UK Prime Ministers over the last 100 years”

          David Owen, Jonathan Davidson
          http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/132/5/1396

          • billbear1961

            Sounds interesting!

        • 2guysnamedjoe

          Sadly, there’s no FDR on the scene worthy of a 16-year term. The Koch brothers, however, could easily buy four elections for their favorite butt-boy.

          • billbear1961

            We have the power to stop that.

            If the country doesn’t have the will to act to save its democracy, it can ROT.

            In fact, 2guys, it WILL rot if it doesn’t act.

            I just feel sorry for all the good people who ARE trying to save it, but who can’t wake people UP!

    • Stev84

      There isn’t a single right-wing dictatorship after WWII that the US hasn’t supported or even created in the first place through illegal coups. In Latin America alone that has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, in addition to incarceration and torture on a massive scale. El Salvador is a particular nasty example where the US sanctioned the murder of over 40.000 people in a very short time.

  • Andrea Pizzocaro
  • justmeeeee

    Maybe this will be Italy’s Prop 8.

  • That result of sibling incest and Puggle fucking sure has been busy.

  • camel54

    Mr. Alfano is a leftover from Berlusconi. The Renzi government will try to pass a partnership registration law, and have the necessary votes to do so, if it manages to get through the corruption, bribery and general inefficiency of both the chambers of the Italian Parliament.

  • As previously posted: #BoycottITALY. It is the least we can do to slap the crap out of the bigots of Italy. Buy nothing directly or over the Internet from Italy. Don’t go to Italy. Spend your American dollars in countries that support equality. Italy is a joke.

  • GanymedeRenard

    Italia, mio amore, ma perchè?

  • JT

    Former Prime Minister of Italy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ity93J_eaEE

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