NEBRASKA: Woman Charged With Child Abuse For Forcing Sons To Watch Mommie Dearest

The abuse charge comes because the kids were duct-taped to their chairs. This case made a bit of news back in August when the boyfriend was arrested and now the mother has been charged too. The Smoking Gun has the arrest details:

A Nebraska woman whose two young boys were forced to watch the film “Mommie Dearest” while duct-taped to their chairs has been jailed on child abuse counts, according to court records. Mary Lucas, 28, was charged this week with a pair of felonies stemming from the bizarre disciplining of her sons, age five and six, in late-August. In an arrest affidavit, police allege that Lucas (seen at right) was aware that her boyfriend Glenn Oliver, 29, was “duct taping the children as a form of punishment.” During questioning, Lucas admitted that she made her two boys watch “Mommie Dearest” after the children said that she was “the meanest mommy.” Lucas, who described the film as “Hollywood’s perfect representation of a mean mother,” said that her own mother “made her watch the movie when she was 4 years old.”

  • Glen

    But kids need both a mommy and a daddy! No matter what.

    It’s the genitalia that’s important. Children LOVE having a set of male and female genitalia raising them. Pretty much more than anything else.

    • b

      Kids need a mommie and a daddy! It is just so natural and healthy!!!

    • Diogenes Arktos

      The kids had their mommy! They’re just missing their daddy — and an unmarried boyfriend doesn’t count as the necessary male influence.

    • Chris Baker

      They weren’t married. He was her boyfriend, If they had been married, they both would have been magically transformed into the best parents ever.

      • David Walker

        “He vass mein BOYFRIEND!”

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  • Joe knows who I am.

    So it’s true then. Gay boys are created by heterosexual parents.

  • Goodboy

    Talk about life imitating art.

  • MattM

    I’m guessing the two boys are not her fans.

  • Lakeviewbob

    I wonder what kind of trailer they live in? A single wide? A double wide?

    It pisses me off that you have to have a license to drive a car, own a dog or go fishing but any stupid bitch can have a child or buy a gun.

    • pj

      they live in a cave

    • ZhyKitty

      Wow. A lot of mothers who live in trailers adore their children and have really fantastic relationships with them. Being poor does not equate with being a bad parent.

      • Lakeviewbob

        I expected that comment from someone Kitty. It wasn’t meant to put down people that live in Trailers. But I guess the snarkiness was lost on you. But I guarantee you she doesn’t not live in an expensive house in an upscale neighborhood. Ever heard of trailer trash? Her picture says it all.

        • ZhyKitty

          No, the snark wasn’t lost on me, but it’s hurtful that one of the first things people go for when they hear a story like this is to assume the people are poor. There’s ALWAYS someone who goes for the trailer jokes or who calls the people trailer trash.
          I’m trailer trash myself, you can look at me and tell I’m poor, but the ONE thing I got right in this life was my children and we’ve always been very close. They’re adults now and we have fantastic relationships.
          Not all of us who are just trailer trash are bad mothers.

          • Lakeviewbob

            Sorry this has pushed your buttons. Let’s not overlook the main issue here. This women was charged with child abuse. Being poor does not make you trash and you should not refer to yourself that way. It is your behavior and humanity to those around you and your children that makes or breaks you and raises you above the norm. I would hardly characterize you as trash. You have done nothing to deserve that label. Hold your chin up and be proud that you excelled as a mother and that your children love you. The women in question here will never achieve that whether she is rich or poor. I won’t apologize for the trailer trash comment. It is putting too much emphasis on a single comment and not what is really important here…. an abusive mother.

          • TheManicMechanic

            I spent my first 27 years living in trailers. In those early days, it was fun and rather high quality living. Our little trailer park was one of those that would look just like the stereotypical parks of the fifties, complete with the pink flamingos, painted inside-out tire planters and neatly tended flower beds, all the kitsch. A lot of pride was put into low-cost living. Things began to change by the early-mid 80s, when the people running the park let it fall to disrepair, and a lot of transients began taking over. Living as cheap as we did allowed a lot of money to go into savings, and that, coupled with my extreme-DIY nature, let me finally design and build a dream home and leave my humble beginnings behind. I would give anything to once again have the trailer I was born and raised in, it was a 1958 Anderson, all 8×40 feet of astonishingly clever and high quality mid-century modern goodness, with amazing built-ins, fully heated floor and seamless blond paneling throughout. When we “upgraded” in 1971 to a larger and more modern trailer, we had nowhere for our stuff. The lack of built-in closets, dressers and other storage meant we had to buy furniture for this, and it still was never as organized, especially in the kitchen. This was typical, as the nifty mobile homes of their 50s heyday were replaced by cheaply constructed ones by the 70s. No more charm, just cheap. While there were a few high quality mobiles around, they were very rare.

            Trailer life is what you make it, and depending on what you might be surrounded with, it can be fun and efficient. While I might jokingly refer to myself as “trailer trash,” my early life was anything but trashy, it was more in line with the modern notion of “tiny house” living. My early home was not much bigger than the RV we use for traveling these days, and the pride and fun of trailer life from those old days seems to live on at a lot of the campgrounds we set up in. I can’t help but feel I am living in my old days, fifty-some years on.

  • VodkaAndPolitics

    The Irony is Strong with this one

  • Octavio

    They should call Faye Dunaway in as a witness. She’d agree that watching the film is tantamount to child abuse. (She still refuses to talk about her disappointment with how her performance was twisted into a cartoon.)

    • JVB

      William Shatner in drag could have just as good as job as Faye Dunaway. 🙂

    • Chucktech

      I think it was a stellar performance by Faye Dunaway, and she should be most proud of it.

      Brava, Ms. Dunaway!

      • Natty Enquirer

        Agreed. Faye created a very strong character. Watch the movie again (sober) without the snickers and you’ll see. There’s more to her performance than the lurid scenes that are burned into our eyeballs.

  • bkmn

    She should not have any more children.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Or a television.

      • Chucktech

        Or a bible.

        • LovesIrony

          Or wire hangers

          • Amanda B. Rekendwith

            Or severe eyebrows.

    • I think for child abuse the punishment should be permanent sterilization and to never be allowed to adopt, or live with or marry someone with children.

  • Sean Williams

    Those ungrateful children!

  • No wire hangers! What’s wire hangers doing in this closet when I said NO WIRE HANGERS EVER!!!!!

    • skeptical_inquirer

      I’ll never get how that happened. A child would never sneak in wire hangers for the hell of it. Candy or a puppy, sure. Hangers?

    • ZhyKitty

      Menopause does make one a bit crazy and cranky. I can vouch for that.

    • In the late ’70s I was living in a hotel room in Milan Italy with two other American ex-pats Kevin and (just a nickname) Bette. Kevin was sweet, but terribly naive and somewhat clumsy and allegedly I nagged him a bit, according to Bette. I just happened to be reading “Mommy Dearest” at the time so Bette christened me Joan. Bette and I were actually quite close friends until a big feud in about 1986. We didn’t speak again much until he lay dying alone in a hospital bed in Boston a few years later. Kevin died alone and abandoned by his family when they found out not only was he gay but he had AIDS. Sweet naive Kevin. The times we had in our hotel room! One evening we were carrying on having fun getting a bit high killing time before going out. As a lark I had on a leather g-string and pink dangling rhinestone earrings…don’t ask! Due to a complaint about our music playing too loud the manager came to the room. I quickly hid behind the open bathroom door though it was just frosted glass. He of course came storming in to expose me…with my drink in one hand and a cigarette in the other I just looked at him and said “Ciao, Tony!” as if nothing was untoward was taking place.
      All during the terrible and wonderful ’80s I lived in Munich where many if not most people outside of work thought my name was Joan. To this day my BFF Jackie (real name Bill) calls me Joan. But every time I see your avatar dear RV I am reminded of wilder days!

      • Wondrous story… Touching… Sad…. Funny…. And isn’t it remarkable how Joan brings it home for all of us in unique ways! For me she’s Sister Benedict Mary, in her hay day just before her confinement at Embreeville State Mental Hospital in the ward for the permanently menopausal in Christ.

        • gewaite

          Why do Jesus’ brides tend to be menopausal for years? I can’t understand why people romanticize the; this whole Nuns on the Bus/March of the Penguins thing was unreal.

  • LDinMN

    My ex and I did “time outs” with our kids as punishments when they were young and I have three of the greatest teenagers anyone could ask for. Agressive parenting methods don’t work. Boundries, consistancy and respect from about age 2 do work.

    • When second son was around 5, he did something to earn a time out. I sent him to his room to sit on his bed and think about what he had done. A few minutes later he poked his head out of his bedroom door and asked, “Am I in here ’cause I wanna be, or ’cause I haveta be?” At that point I knew it was time to get creative with this one.

      • LDinMN

        A time out chair where they can do anything but sit there works well. There are too many fun things to do in the kids room.

        • LDinMN

          But don’t duct tape them to the time out chair. That is bad.

        • No, he was sitting on his bed without toys, but the child had a huge imagination and was never at a lack of ideas for for a flight into imagination land.

          • canoebum

            I’m like that to this very day.

          • You too? Then I think you’ll like this story.

            One dinner, second son didnt come rushing in to eat. We could see him out in the trees in the yard waving his arms around and talking and laughing and pointing down to the ground and spinning around now and then. Finally he came into dinner, his eyes were sparkling and when asked why he was late coming in he told us this story.
            “I was on my way in mommy, but a bird came and asked me if I’d like to go for a ride! I told him YES!! Somehow when I jumped on his back I was very tiny and fit. Up, up up we flew! We flew over the trees and into the back yard, and I saw the ROOF of the house!! He told me stories and sang to me. But then I got hungry and wanted to come home, so I did.”

          • ZhyKitty

            I love that story. I’m all teared up because I heard it in our wee gayling’s high pitched child voice. He was quite the teller of tall tales when he was growing up, too.

          • Ahh, it’s wonderful when they grow up to be strong independent adults, but man do I miss the adorable children they were.

          • canoebum

            Charming child. Thanks.

  • As well she should be and those two boys should be removed from her care. It is one thing to sit your children down to watch a movie but to restrain them using duct tape is outright abuse child endangerment. This woman deserves to be in prison.

  • KCMC

    would love to be the community supervision wkr assigned to this one…which Joan Crawford film and at what age is appropriate viewing?
    If I saw Joan at 5 or 6 yrs, I would’ve taken a whole other shoulder swagger walk into Laura Wilder Elementary School in Sioux Falls, SD.
    And better lines…”…I’ve been to the rodeo.” HA

    • Amanda B. Rekendwith

      Let’s not ask for the chalk when we have the crayons.

      • ZhyKitty


    • Cherry

      What happened to Ingalls? Shouldn’t it be Laura Ingalls Wilder Elementary School? (LIF Fanatic here).

      • KCMC

        Should be, yes.
        It was South Dakota, I believe in her Wilder later years.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    WTF ! Dammed breeders. Duct tape is for fun and NOT abuse !

    • vorpal

      Can’t it be both?
      (Simultaneously, I mean.)

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Why, yes it can.

        • vorpal

          How does one get a demonstration?

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Well, You have to know the right kind of people, go to the right kind of places, or do the right kinds of things.
            Or,… just come over.

          • vorpal

            I knew you’d be willing to help a friend in a binding situation.
            I’m packing now…
            Now it just remains to be seen if I make it through airport security.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Your ticket may say round trip, but oh it is so not.

          • Christopher Smith

            Giving new meaning to the word ‘security….’?

          • Ragnar Lothbrok


          • Christopher Smith

            Talk to me 😛

          • Ragnar Lothbrok


          • Christopher Smith

            Like your posts quite a lot (he says blandly, lol)…might you be amenable to continuing the conversation elsewhere via email or IM?

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            earthsaver4all at the yahoooooooo
            ( just saw this )

          • Todd20036

            You sick pervert.

            I like you.

            A LOT!

          • Christopher Smith

            We *really* should talk…….or, at least, one of us should. The tape might make it difficult to have a traditional conversation…..

    • Christopher Smith

      grinning. Let’s talk….

  • Skokieguy

    When Passion of the Christ came out I felt and still do, that taking a child to see it is child abuse.

    • I couldn’t even stomach the ads for it. I was shocked at parents taking their children to see a over the top violent movie, because it was “religious”.

      • Chucktech

        “Yew see, you little hell-bound sinner of a child? This is what our LOW-ERD and SAV-YER, Jeezy H. Christ done fer yew!”

        • shudder

          Religion is abusive to children. In school a wee girl I knew, had nightmares each and every night about the end of the world, and the pits of hell and suffering for eternity. And her evil parents refused to allow her a night light, due to some shite that her belief in Jesus should be her light in her fears. I often wonder what happened to her.

          • Chucktech

            God, how awful. But she deserves a mommy and a daddy…

          • ZhyKitty

            She was probably like me and slept with the lights on well into her 20’s once she got out of their home.

          • RoFaWh

            Intuitive insight: the parents had it in for that girl and were determined to make her life as unpleasant as possible. In the case at hand, they only used the religious angle as an excuse to torture the kid by making her sieep in the dark.

      • ZhyKitty

        At least the younger ones couldn’t understand the dialogue since it was all spoken in Aramaic and Hebrew. You had to be able to read to keep up with what was being said. Then again, there were scenes that would definitely give any child nightmares based on imagery alone, especially the demon children and some of the scenes Satan had, not to mention all the gore.

        • The gore shown was truly gratuitous. To purposely put those vile images into a young child’s mind is nothing short of child abuse.

          bah-hum-bug religion!

          • ZhyKitty

            Agreed. Of course, having grown up in the 70’s and 80’s during the era of Freddie, Jason, Michael Meyers, etc, it didn’t bother me. Our parents always allowed horror and gore, we just weren’t allowed to see anything even remotely sexual.
            Go figure.

          • Oh! I’ve never ever watched any of those movies, nor did I wish too. When I was young we used to go to the drive in movies. They did a child’s film, some cartoons and then a break where all the wee sprouts were in line to use the toilets in jammies. Then a ton of trailers and the “adult” movie started. The sprouts were all supposed to be asleep by that point. I woke up in the middle of the shower scene from Psycho. It was years and years before I could take a shower and not have a panic attack. That was the first thing I impressed upon my hubby was to never frighten me in the shower. So horror and me, yeah not a fit at all.

    • Robincho

      Or as I like to call it, “Blood Bath & Beyond”…

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        A friend called it “The Jerusalem Chainsaw Massacre.”

  • abraxas_bear

    I despise that film. I saw it as at about age 11, with my physically and emotionally abusive mother. I kept looking at her, wondering whether she was recognizing herself on the screen. After the film was over, she declared, “She was a good mother–she didn’t let her kids get away with things!” I will never watch the film again.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok


    • After watching the film, my abusive mother tut tutted and declared, “How could she treat her children that way? Hitting a child is wrong!” It was at that moment I realized my mother was mentally ill.

      • Six Pins Delores

        A friends mother was mentally ill. To listen to her tell of her experiences growing up in that environment with humor (the way she endured) is remarkable.

        • WildwoodGuy

          I don’t believe my own mother was mentally ill, just an extreme religious fanatic, but some of the experiences I had growing up have been the source of entertainment for many of my friends.

          I was once tied to a chair (not with duct tape… just rope) and gagged and then ‘mother’ lay down on the sofa next to the dining room chair she’d tied me in to take a nap. I wriggled and wiggled and squirmed until I was able to get my feet under me and the chair and then, with the chair tied to me like a peddler’s pack, I hobbled a half-mile down our country lane to the reservoir and walked in with the chair still strapped to me and sat down in the middle of the reservoir. Of course, when ‘mother’ awoke, sees me and the chair missing, she sent out an all-points bulletin to everyone on the ranch. As the water in the reservoir began to rise, I was discovered and they had to rush to get the little boat we used for fishing into the water and out to me before I drowned. Of course, ‘mother’s’ dining room chair was completely ruined. But she never tried that particular punishment on me again.

          • ZhyKitty

            From someone who grew up in similar circumstances with uber religious fanatic parents, I’d just like to say that that was not only a fantastic story, it was a fantastic telling of said story! lol

            I think one of the reasons that for some of us who grew up like that that the stories become funny in their telling is because it’s all behind us now, and we survived it. Most of us have stories which would horrify a CPS worker, and would today be grounds for removal from our homes, but back then, we weren’t even the only children we knew who had things like that going on behind closed doors!

            People deal with trauma in different ways, and for some of us, if the choice is to laugh or cry, we’ll always find something funny, no matter how sick a situation is, to laugh about.
            (Not that any of it was funny when it was happening, of course.)

          • WildwoodGuy

            Thanks ZhyKitty. I know you have some incredible stories from your own life that are equally amusing/horrifying. You and I should join Arkansan, Biki and a few others and turn our stories into novels. Why not make $$ from what was so horrifying? My surviving was probably my parent’s worst nightmare! Hell! They did everything they could possibly do to kill me… or incite my siblings to do it for them!

          • ZhyKitty

            Bless your heart. *big hugs*
            Mine never tried to actually kill us.
            I think they were afraid we’d kill them.

            You just let me know when you want to collab. on a book about children raised in zealot homes, and I’ll turn in my chapters!

          • RoFaWh

            I knew I had finallly grown up when I realized that almost all the families that I knew anything about were seriously dysfunctional in one or more ways.

            Ozzie and Harriet-style families were(are) so rare as to be a significant pathology themselves.

          • Arkansan

            My experience was the opposite. When I was young I figured everyone’s mother was batshit crazy to a point. My mother could turn it on and off at a moment’s notice, like if the phone rang while she was having one of her fits she could answer it and be just as sweet as ever. When she hung up she would resume her screaming right where she had left off. I learned later in life that most mothers didn’t do the daily screaming. I can’t figure out why the neighbors didn’t call the police since they had to have heard it, but it was a different time

      • Arkansan

        It looks like several of us could start a support group for sons and daughters of mommie dearest. I’ll bet there are many more with the same experiences. I have never thought to look for a forum with that topic.

        • WildwoodGuy

          What I think would be even better would be a group where we write about those experiences. I’ve been told by numerous people I should write a book about my family… sort of like a cross between David Sedaris and Gerald Durrell.

          Just for the record, the scene from Mommie Dearest in the bathroom with the Dutch Cleanser was so incredibly real for me! That was practically a remake from a scene in my own life with my own Mommie Dearest.

          • ZhyKitty

            And don’t forget to throw in a dash of Augusten Burrows.
            I love all of his books, but it was when I first read “Running With Scissors” that I felt like I’d found a kindred spirit…

          • WildwoodGuy

            Never read Augusten Burrows but have added him to my Amazon ‘Wishlist’. If you haven’t read Gerald Durrell, you really must! His story about being bequeathed an elephant by a dead relative and his escapades in attempting to give her away as he couldn’t keep her in his England home is hilarious! The elephant (Rosy) is rather fond of gin and champagne and makes quite a stir at Lady Fenneltree’s stately house party. Eventually, he and Rosy are pursued and in hiding and then captured and put on trial. The courtroom trial is absolutely a stitch. The fact that most of the story is based on the true story of Adrian Rookwhistle makes it even more of a riot.

            His other great book is “My Family and Other Animals” retelling his younger years growing up on the island of Corfu and his rather interesting collection of an entire menagerie of odd and seemingly human-like animals… not the least of which are his sisters. Very good read!

          • ZhyKitty

            That sounds FABULOUS and right up my alley! That is exactly the kind of story I love! Speaking of, if you liked that and if you’re a Sedaris fan, as I suspect you are (another kindred spirit), you might as well Start with Running With Scissors and work from there through ALL of Augusten Burroughs’ books. You will laugh, even when some people wouldn’t, as he is definitely “one of us”.
            I’ve never once been able to put down one of his books before I’m finished with it, just like with Sedaris.

            Now, if you’ll excuse me, I”m going to go add Gerald Durrell to my library list! I’m totally in the mood for a new story and my library day/ dr visit day (the only day all month I leave the house) is this coming Thursday!

          • WildwoodGuy

            Thanks Zhy! If your library doesn’t have either of the Durrell books, let me know. I’ll ship you my copies. (Media rate w/USPS is absurdly cheap!) Just give me an e-mail address after you know you can’t find it locally and we can make arrangements off-line.

          • RoFaWh

            For the curious:

            Durrell wrote three books of lightly fictionalized remiscences of his boyhood years on Corfu: “Birds, Beasts, and Relatives”; “My Family and Other Animals”; “The Garden of the Gods”.

            In addition there are a few further episodes cut from the same bolt of cloth in “Filets of Plaice” and “The Picnic”.

          • WildwoodGuy

            Thanks RoFaWh. I knew he’d written other books but since I read him when I was in high school (late 60’s) and there WAS no Amazon back then, I hadn’t ever seen any of his other work. I’ll be on the lookout for them. BTW… for really inexpensive great quality used books, try They both buy and sell and support Third World Literacy. Great if you are donating books.

          • Roza A Leyderman

            “My Family and Other Animals” was made into a tremendous movie, which I recommend highly: Also, a series (which I did not watch):

          • Arkansan

            I have been told it would be good to write dear mom a letter telling her why I feel as I do about my childhood, but they don’t know how she would either completely dismiss it as being all my fault, or convince herself that I made it all up. She has never accepted any blame for anything that wasn’t perfect, including her kids.

            It was a single sock found under the bed in my spotlessly clean bedroom that triggered the worst dutch cleanser style meltdown for me. While no kid should have to endure that type behavior, gay children that are already having a hard time dealing with it on their own can be especially hard hit by it. I made it through without ending my life, but I wonder how many just can’t deal with all of it?

          • WildwoodGuy

            I’ve been told much the same by multiple therapists. I sometimes think they just don’t ‘get’ that parents like ours simply will never admit fault or even acknowledge that anything like abuse ever happened.

            I don’t remember what caused it, but I was forced to go out to the pear tree and cut my own switch with which my mother whipped me until my legs bled and threw me into a hot shower ‘so you won’t get any mess on the bathroom floor’. I later realized how each stroke with the switch was specifically placed so that no marks would show above or below the lines of my briefs.

            Years later, she laughingly mentioned that ‘some of what we did to you kids would probably be considered child abuse today.’ I looked at her and said “Probably? Probably! That was most DEFINITELY child abuse!” She merely laughed and remarked, “Well, it couldn’t have been that bad. You lived through it.”

            You, me, ZhyKitty, Biki and abraxus_bear have GOT to get together to collaborate on some really good survival stories for those ‘wee gaylings’ (as ZhyKitty refers to hers) that are coming up. It rips me apart when I read about another one who couldn’t survive.

          • i quit therapy many years ago. for various reasons, i “had” to go. it didn’t do much for me, ymmv.

            what hurt a lot, and still does, was the reaction of family when my Big Drama with mom went down. some of them just didn’t “get” that what my lifegiver did to me was abuse. the harshest, most life changing abuse you can imagine. “we just want you to get along once again.” or “she’s so sorry, you should talk to her.”

            no, i don’t. and i won’t, ever. you don’t stab me in the guts and leave me bleeding in the street and expect me to want to be ‘your’ daughter again.

            yeah, email me when it’s time to write that book. i’ll have a chapter for you.

          • WildwoodGuy

            What IS it with families who really don’t get it? I’m so sorry you had to go through any of that shit. None of us should have! But I do have to say CD, though occasionally you really piss me off with things you have to say, I admire you. I don’t think I’ve ever read stronger women. And even if I don’t agree with EVERYTHING you say, I still respect you and am very glad you made it through all the crap your family and parents handed you. I’m SO GLAD you’re here!

          • Christopher Smith

            I certainly understand about therapy, knowing many for whom *that* cure was worse than the disease–so much depends on getting a *good* therapist, which appears to be an infinitesimal minority in the field.

            Please don’t ever think you made an incorrect decision in dispensing with your ‘lifegiver.’ You were, and are, right.

        • Me either! I know disqus has an area to start discussions. And yes, there are way to many of us here who suffered at the hands of abusive parents. Sad isn’t it?

    • thesunnysideofthestreet

      I’m right there with you. I also grew up with a “mommy dearest” and watching this kind of thing on screen is an awful experience. I had the same reaction to watching the meltdown on “War of the Roses.”

      • Bj Lincoln

        They list that as a comedy. I never found it funny.

        • i found it hilarious. i was in a healthy relationship at the time, and i remember we laughed out loud in the theater. my parents fought, sometimes. nothing like that movie, but i saw it as a young adult for the first time and it felt good to laugh and think, ‘gawd, sometimes they almost made me think they would go to those lengths.’


    • Arkansan

      I saw the film at the theater when it first came out. I called my sister that evening and told her she had to see this movie, but I didn’t tell her any details. Several days later the phone rings and the first words out of her mouth were “Jesus fucking Christ, that’s our mother”. Watching the hanger scene actually takes me back to a very bad place and I can remember as a kid about Christina’s age also mumbling “Jesus Christ” as mother stormed out of the room after trashing it. My own Mommy Dearest and I haven’t spoken in years and I am much better off for it.

      • abraxas_bear

        I hear you. I cut off all contact five years ago, after numerous attempts to reestablish some kind of positive adult relationship. She was simply too toxic and dangerous to have in my life, even without the physical attacks she engaged in when I was young. As a therapist friend once said to me, “sometimes a parentectomy is a life saving procedure.”

        • ZhyKitty

          Our parents threw us out, cut us out of their lives, and disinherited us when we were in our mid-teens, so our children never really got to know them and they weren’t part of our lives for well over 20+ years. It wasn’t until after my twin sister died that my parents and I began to talk again outside of stilted acknowledgements at formal, obligatory occasions.
          It’s still awkward, but I think they realized that giving us the freeze was never going to make us come crawling back, changed into the daughters they wanted, and once someone has died, there is no chance to try to set anything right.
          It’s a shame that’s what it took.
          Of course, sometimes, it’s best to leave some people out of our lives forever, but other times some trauma can help everyone open their eyes to how short life really is, and can make us at least want to TRY to start over, or find some sort of healing before everyone passes on filled with regret. It’s the worst kind of pain when someone is gone and now it’s too late…

        • KCMC

          asked by one therapist how I managed any boundary at all with my mother, I replied,
          “Arkansas and Oklahoma.”
          (Dear parents in S TX)
          Another healing gem from friend, “Honey, we can’t save our mothers, we only love them.”
          Grace, distance, and letting a shitload go.

    • I hope you get to choose her nursing home.

      • Arkansan

        Shady Pines ma!

      • ZhyKitty

        That alone is reason enough to be kind to your children! lol
        I don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t love their children and want a close bond with them, but even if someone is just a terrible person through and through, you’d think they’d have some sense of self preservation, knowing that someday, the children you created may well become your legal next of kin and then can stick you in a hell hole of a nursing home for revenge! lol

        • “…then can stick you in a hell hole of a nursing home for revenge!”

          Or in a Ford Fiesta in the nursing home’s parking lot…

          • ZhyKitty

            True!!! It does cost money to stay in even the worst Nursing Home! lol
            I actually think I would prefer a ford fiesta to a bad nursing home, but that’s just me. lol

      • KCMC

        OMG! just back from week with parents, I was walking with my mother and we met a nice neighbor lady who works for mega-corp, “A Place for Mom.”
        Became running joke.

    • CottonBlimp

      What’s sad is that people make fun of that movie for being so over the top, when that really is the reality of extreme overdramatic narcissistic mothers. Sort of like how people don’t think Carrie’s mother could be real.

      A friend of mine has her own Mommie Dearest and likes the movie more for it.

      • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

        The worst thing is that the movie glossed over the worst of the abuse.

  • MattM

    Upon reading this story:

  • sherman

    You can have my duct tape when you rip it from my cold sticky hands.

    • Christopher Smith

      I was thinking more of the mouth area…..

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    The punishment didn’t have the desired effect. Playtime will never be the same.

  • Robincho

    This is Ritorna’s big scene!…

  • Rick

    That makes about as much sense as teaching your kids about friendship by forcing them to watch ‘Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer.’

  • DaveMiller135

    I guess she really wanted them to mean it.

  • vorpal

    The pressing question: was it on VHS or BetaMax?
    That will really determine the level of abuse.

    • Man_in_the_mists


  • Your room looks like some two dollar unfurnished room in some two- bit backstreet town in Oklahoma!

  • Alan43

    Could have been worse. He could have forced them to spend the day with Kim Davis

    • sherman

      Or watch a Repub-lie-con debate.

      • TampaDink

        Since when has comedy become abuse? ☺

        • sherman

          I find it hard to laugh at their hate fests. I can’t even watch them.

          • TampaDink

            I’m so twisted that I find humor in almost everything that they say & do….even their body language can cause a case of the giggles. Or maybe it is the vodka?

          • Christopher Smith

            Hey there.

          • TampaDink

            Hiya. I just checked my yahoo mail. Oops. ☺

          • Christopher Smith

            Yes. Oops. 😛

  • joe ho

    And to think Anne Bancroft pulled out of the project.

    • TampaDink

      Which allows us to remember her with love.

  • MattM

    The mother when the cops came for her:

  • Ore Carmi

    People are freaking bizarre.

  • Arkansan

    I would like to duct tape my mother to a chair and force her to watch it even though she wouldn’t recognise herself in it.

    • ChrisMorley

      Posting a photo here would leave a far too obvious evidence trail.

      • Arkansan

        What made it hit even harder when I saw the film is how much my mother looked like Faye Dunaway did in the film, but with darker hair. What a coincidence it all was. 🙂

        • WildwoodGuy

          I can SO relate! No only does my own mother LOOK like the character in the movie, my mother’s name is JOAN. The movie was extremely difficult for me to watch for many reasons.

          • Arkansan

            You got me beat even though my sister’s name is Christine. 🙂 Sorry about your experiences.

  • bdsmjack

    You need a license to drive a car. You need a license to own a gun. And yet any fucked up STRANGER ON THE STREET can raise a kid.

  • “You think I’m bad, I’m going to make you watch someone even worse!”

    After the movie is over:

    “I wish she was my mommy.”

  • DaddyRay
  • noni

    Are these two daughters of Joan Crawford delusional or in denial or were they treated ‘special’.

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      Stockholm syndrome. Many of Joan’s friends corroborated Christina and Christopher’s stories of abuse. So did neighbors the kids played with.

      • gewaite

        What are her children doing now, the ones who were abused?

        • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

          Honestly, I think all joans kids were abused. It’s just that Christina and Christopher admit it. Christina, who wrote Mommy Dearest, still writes and acts and does child abuse advocacy.

          Christopher Crawford died several years ago of cancer.

          Cathy and Cindy (twins) still publicly claim Christina and Christopher are lying about the abuse. The twins, Cathy and Cindy, were sent to boarding school so perhaps they avoided the worst of Joan.

          Oh, and there were two Christopher Crawfords. The first Joan adopted was reclaimed by the kid’s bio mom. Apparently Joan got her kids from the infamous Georgia Tann.

  • Queequeg

    Joan Crawford could overdo it at times, but I believe the abuse charge came from the duct tape, not Joan’s histrionics.

  • RJ Tremor

    Heh, I watched that about 9 years ago at a friend’s urging. I find it amusing someone would think to use that for punishment. The duct tape was certainly a bad choice though.

  • witch

    I swear we need parents to pass some form of testing to have kids. Back in the day parents could beat their kids to a bloody pulp and most people wouldn’t say a word.

  • Bradford Kelly

    When my Grandmother died 10 years ago my very own Mother aka “Mommie Dearest” gave the Eulogy at the funeral. She came up to me afterwards to talk. Being a Borderline she naturally said “Was that alright? Was my hair OK? Did I look all right?” I told her that the day and indeed the funeral was about the old Woman in the box at the front (my Grandmother) and not about her for a change.

    After my Mother gasped all the air out of the room at my impertenance and clutched her pearls so tight that she almost strangled herself, she recounted a story about how glamorous my Grandmother was in her youth and how she thought of herself as being like a hollywood star. Given that my Grandmother was a junior school teacher in the suburbs of a small Australian city this was delusional. My Mother said “My sisters and I used to call her Joan Crawford”

    I said to my Mother “Thats really interesting. I call you Joan Crawford as well but for very different reasons Mommie dearest”.

    This movie is such a part of gay culture and most gay men know all about it. Im yet to see wire coat hangers in a gay mans home and everyone knows about being mad at the dirt and having to move the tree if you are to clean properly.

    But sadly, this is a film about child abuse and is harrowing and to this day I struggle with it.

  • i have told some horrible mom stories here before, but even i don’t think i can top this one. what is wrong with some people? ffs, they’re just kids and maybe she needs to have someone explain why that scene in clockwork is considered a horror scene.

    i hope the law deals with her appropriately.

  • JCF

    I really don’t think the film is the issue (when there are Oh-So-Many) here.

  • True story. My little sister and I would dress the cat up as Joan Crawford — she had a jacket from one of her dolls that had padded shoulders — and re-enact “role play” scenes with her doll whom she named Cristina (please note that the little doll idea was my sisters but I thought up dressing the cat as Joan Crawford part). One of our favorite scenes to role play was kicking “Cristina” out of school for flirting with the boy dolls. I much preferred playing games like this than boring games like little league Softball (meh).

  • Michael Abbett

    Well she’ll get the chair for this one.

  • Craig C

    Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

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  • shrubs

    A family tradition her mother made her watch it when she was 4yo. wtf.