Southern Baptist Seminary Head Albert Mohler Denounces Ex-Gay Torture: Praying Is More Effective

Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, spoke today at the opening of a conference which addresses the critical problem of millions of gays shoving their homosexy ways down everybody’s throats. According to Mohler, ex-gay torture is just a big waste of time because the only way to cure The Gay is by praying to Christ Himself. The Associated Press reports:

Mohler said so-called conversion or reparative therapy doesn’t carry the redemptive power of prayer. “In the case of many people struggling with this particular sin, we do not believe that some kind of superficial answer whereby they can turn a switch from being attracted to persons of the same sex to being attracted to persons of the opposite sex,” Mohler told reporters at the start of a three-day conference on homosexuality and how to offer pastoral care to gays, hosted by the Louisville seminary.

“By God’s grace, that might happen over time as a sign of God’s work within the life of that individual. But … for many, many people struggling with these patterns of sin, it will be a lifelong battle,” Mohler said. Mohler said Monday that Christians have sinned against the gay community by “ignoring their presence among us, by remaining silent when we should speak the truth and by reducing a massive human struggle to simplistic explanations.” “Our message is the Gospel for all people, and that means that we call all people … to be converted to faith in Christ,” he said.

Heath Lambert, executive director of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, said the conference, expected to draw about 2,000 people, would showcase how “uniquely biblical” counseling can lead to repentance. He said the organization opposes reparative therapy. “We believe that repentant faith is the means of change,” Lambert said. The conference’s goal, he said, is to give counselors “a growing love and care for people who struggle with sexual sin, homosexual sin. We want people to have a growing wisdom about how to come alongside them and walk with them through a process of care.”

The opening of today’s conference was protested by several dozen LGBT rights activists including pro-LGBT clergy members, two of whom told the AP that “praying the gay away” still constitutes spiritual abuse.

  • oikos

    My gayness is getting sore from shoving it down so many christian throats.

    • Giant Monster Gamera

      And yet they keep coming back for more.

    • Jeffrey Samuels

      ouch!

    • bkmn

      Be careful. A lot of them have STD’s and aren’t smart enough to know the signs.

    • Blake J Butler

      Christians really do suck…., very well.

      • Mark

        and some are dynamite on their back with their legs in the air too – squealing …….

    • JT

      Priests are never happier than on their knees.

    • JoeNCA

      There’s a perfect way to keep from anyone shoving anything down your throat:

      Keep your mouth shut.

      • Chucktech

        Are you kidding?? They’re christians! Keep their mouths shut?? Impossible…

  • anne marie in philly

    “the only way to cure The Gay is by praying to Christ Himself.” – they just don’t GET IT, do they? SMH

    • Treg Brown

      Nope, but they sure do love hetero-splaining about stuff they don’t have a clue about. Or do they? 🙂

    • TheManicMechanic

      Jesus is all like, “Will you ignorant fuckers STFU already? I’m cool with the gays! Y’all can’t figure out I’m one? HELLO, those 12 dudes I hung around with? OR DID YOU THINK THAT WAS A “PHASE” TOO?!??

      • anne marie in philly

        I LOVE the way you think!

  • Dear Dr. Mohler, you’re absolutely correct. Why, look at the fine job it did turning these two straight!

  • AtticusP

    Psst…

    • Marc

      But I’d rather they be praying over our youth rather than the alternative!

      • agcons

        If they must do something other than mind their own fucking business, I agree.

        • Marc

          If only!

      • Christopher

        Instead of preying on the youth.

    • JoeNCA

      Prayer. Literally, the least you can do.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Go in someone’s ass like that, and I think you’ll find it indeed does shit.

  • delk

    What about secret meetings with the pope? Will that cure my gayness?

    • StraightGrandmother

      Well, it didn’t seem to cure the Popes Argentinean Gay friend’s gayness, did it?

      • D. J.

        Or the hunky padre who is now in need of a job….

  • bkmn

    I would encourage Mr. Mohler to pray for a while and see what it is like to change his sexuality.

  • Bill T.

    My sexuality in no way resembles a feeding tube.

    • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

      Mine is much, much thicker and not nearly as long.

      • Bill T.

        Thanks for sharing, Stumpy.

  • oikos
  • Rod Steely

    Silly me- from the headline I first thought he was going to say something intelligent. I pray he turns gay!

  • ben-andy

    “reducing a massive human struggle to simplistic explanations” so believe in the sky fairy and all will be right with you.

    So strange. I don’t have a massive human struggle and in fact, most Western Civilization human beings don’t either. Religious “belief” is morphing away from believing in Yawedgie, from whom all blessings flow to a much closer version to what Jeebus actually taught. Coincidence, I think not.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Unfortunately, when he says “praying”, he means preying.

  • LovesIrony

    pray for brains Rose, pray for brains.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    So, when they are “speaking the truth” can we tell them to just shut the fuck up, or would that be persecuting them? I’d give them five minutes to speak their truth as long as I get five minutes to speak my truth about how their truth is bullshit. Why can’t they just concentrate on their flocks and leave the rest of us alone? I do feel bad for any gay kids within this cult. Hopefully their parents love them more than their mythology.

  • Giant Monster Gamera

    Even the religious nut jobs are getting tiring.

  • MDB

    Poor, poor Southern Babble-tysts….always coming up with a new twyst on an old theme of hell and damnation in their attempt to stay in the headlines. Y’all are ever-so-pissed that NO Southern-Baptist was included in any official Papal invite or function. I suggest you take that up with your hateful version of a God who damns everyone to hell who disagrees with you.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Prayer. How to do nothing but still think you’re helping.

    • Treg Brown

      Exactly. It’s the very least anyone can do.

      • Patrick Christ

        Well, short of not even praying…

        • vorpal

          That’s like saying that not eating is less effective than mime-eating. Same effect, but one is more stupid.

      • Tor

        The very least.

      • Stev84

        Truly literally for once

  • GanymedeRenard

    “…for many, many people struggling with these patterns of sin, it will be a LIFELONG battle”. So, basically, you mean that many people will be gay until they die, even if they pray, but prayer is effective. Gotcha!

    • Ore Carmi

      Basically, he’s saying gay people should be unhappy with themselves for their whole lives.

  • Giant Monster Gamera

    • Silver Badger

      Actually praying some one gay is really just an exercise in wistful thinking.

      • Giant Monster Gamera

        • Todd20036

          Not a bad looking redneckian

    • Talisman

      If by “pray” you mean “ply with alcohol”, then the answer is yes.

  • TampaDink

    I love Joe for lots of reasons one of which is that he has a homosexy ways with words.

  • leo77

    Translation:

    Thanks to the collapse of Exodus International, that law suit in New Jersey, legislation limiting the practice of reparation therapy on minors, and rising public awareness that there was never an iota of science behind any of this we’re going to do what we should have done all along and admit that this is just behavior modification based purely on religious based guilt, shame and superstition.

  • Ryan Hunter

    I have never understood this obsession with gays and gay sex that these so-called religious loons have. They really do need to get a life in the fullest meaning of that.

    • Azima Khan

      They fear the world is leaving them in the dust, so they lash out at the people they think they can have an effect on– minorities.

  • JCF

    showcase how “uniquely biblical” counseling can lead to repentance. He said the organization opposes reparative therapy.

    Behold, the strategy for getting around anti-reparative therapy laws. Do.Not.Let.It.Work., prosecutors!!!!

    • David Walker

      May it have as much success as the attempt to use “natural marriage.”

    • Chucktech

      Oh, I dunno… Prayer is absolutely ineffective and worthless, and as long as I or an unwilling pray-ee doesn’t have to hear it, completely harmless. Ex gay torture? Not so much…

  • zhera

    ‘Sin’ is not an illness. ‘Praying’ is not a cure.

    Silly people and their silly fantasies making up silly problems that only their silly god can fix.

    • Ben in Oakland

      Except that he can’t.

  • forcebear

    Prayer does not make you not gay either. Tried it. Did not work.

    • Silver Badger

      Over the generations everything has been tried and discarded as ineffective. The best bet is to accept yourself and get on with life!

      • Giant Monster Gamera

        I wish I’d known that when I was 18 instead of waiting so long to come to terms with it.

        • Silver Badger

          You and me both. It took me a failed marriage and kids. I’m sorry the marriage failed, but totally glad about the kids.

          • Giant Monster Gamera

            Same here. I’m glad I have a son and that he was born when I was only 22. It certainly gives me a perspective that most gay guys I know don’t have

          • vorpal

            Now that LGBT acceptance is on the rise, I think more and more gay guys might have this experience, but with deliberate joy instead of through horrible confusion. I know a bunch of gay couples through facebook that have adopted / had kids.

          • Giant Monster Gamera

            I agree vorpal. I know two other gay guys with kids, and both had them through failed marriages to women.

        • Todd20036

          I tried fucking away the gay. Didn’t work with the first couple of hundred guys, but I’m not giving up!

  • Marlin Earl Bynum

    Yes, pray that we keep having better sex.

  • oikos
  • “pray” for the ability to google “PFLAG” so you can stop driving your children to suicide, you effing morons.

  • Jeffrey Samuels

    If these Christians are the representatives of Christianity, then I for one, want nothing to do with it.

    • Silver Badger

      Can you imagine spending eternity with these people?

      • Jeffrey Samuels

        Can’t. I don’t believe in hell

      • Circ09

        I’m currently residing in Texas surrounded by Southern Babtists. It feels like an eternity already.

  • Bill

    Hey, Mohler. Hope all is well.

    Go fuck your mother, motherfucker.

  • Frommer_Gast

    Might it also work the other way round – that I can make a straight guy gay by praying? I think I would welcome this option ….

    • TampaDink

      Effective recruitment requires action. Prayer is the opposite of action.

    • BobSF_94117

      Just drop to your knees. You never know what might happen and, if they take it the wrong way — well, the right way, I mean, but if they’re upset about it — just tell them you were praying. Act all indignant about what dirty minds they have… works every time.

    • JW Swift

      Fair is fair, after all.

    • Chucktech

      Tried it. God knows, I’ve tried. And, surprise! Doesn’t work.

  • Blake J Butler

    One takes society forward, the other pulls us back.

  • Christopher

    Yeah, I’m gonna go the other way…

    • Gerry Fisher

      Perrr-fect!

  • MDB

    But we believe you can flip a switch and become an instant virgin again by getting on your knees and just praying a superficial prayer in public, and yet continue to be an arrogant deceitful whore in your private personal life….because Cheesuz will understand your lifelong struggle with lying, cheating and whoring.

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      Excellent narrative description of Kim Davis.

  • MattM

    Everyone knows that Jesus wanted parents to manipulate/torture their non-heterosexual kids into a forced heterosexual lifestyle. It’s pretty explicit about that in the bible, next to the explicit condemnation of same-sex marriage. Because that always works out not only for the kid, but the opposite-sex spouse that child is forced to settle down with. Everyone turns out just fine, happy and totally fulfilled.

  • LovesIrony

    why pray for my sexuality I’m fine with it, there are people starving to death, people with painful afflictions, people suffering from depression. pray for them cause god hasn’t done anything to help them

  • Disqusdmnj

    Um… is this a positive step?

    • LonelyLiberal

      Neutral. It’s a change in tactics, nothing more.

      • Disqusdmnj

        Well, since prayer doesn’t do anything, at least they’re not doing harm. I guess it’s a minor chit to the plus side.

        • Beagle

          In the sense that it’s easier for a gay kid to “play along” with prayer than an ex-gay torture program until the kid is old enough to move away, I’d say it’s a plus. But still a long way from doing any good.

          • Disqusdmnj

            No doubt. And don’t get me wrong… I wouldn’t advocate for either.

        • scorpiomike

          Still doing harm. Imagine me, as a young man trained to believe being gay is evil and immoral. Recognizing I am gay. Doing the other thing I was taught, which was pray. I prayed and prayed and prayed. And I was not just going through the motions. I believed it. They taught me that would fix everything.

          Now imagine the feeling when praying did not change anything. Imagine the sense of failure. The sense that God obviously does not find you worthy. The sense that you are so evil and immoral that even God has given up on you. Imagine a young man dealing with all those feelings and thoughts.

          Their teaching harmed me!

          • Disqusdmnj

            Valid point. I wasn’t arguing that it’s a good option by any stretch, just that it’s at least a small step in a possible of these nutjobs maybe someday accepting that you were born that way, and that there’s actually nothing wrong with it.

  • Tallahassee

    That is probably one of the most diplomatic statements I have seen coming from an empowered Christian in a while. I appreciate the effort. Seriously.

    This is where it gets goofy…. “In the case of many people struggling with this particular sin, we do not believe that some kind of superficial answer whereby they can turn a switch from being attracted to persons of the same sex to being attracted to persons of the opposite sex” Then, in the following two paragraphs offers exactly that, a superficial answer to a question we are not asking.

    These people just do not know or understand us at all.

    • Ben in Oakland

      Next your going to say that his superficiality runs only skin deep.

      • Steve Teeter

        I have a friend who says that when the missionaries come to his door, he tells them, “Thank you. I am a practicing Christian.” And they usually go away. If they don’t he adds, “Thank you, I am also a practicing homosexual.” And then they always go away.

  • Tor

    It’s a “conference on homosexuality and how to offer pastoral care to gays.” Are there any actual gay people there?

    • No. But there are lots of homosexuals and self-loathing faggots.

      • Tor

        You’ve got that right!

  • RJ Tremor

    If this were true, all my prayer should have made me straight. Lots of others would feel the same I’m sure. The fact of the matter is, I only felt better when I said “I am who I am, whatever happens will happen”. Anyone who wants to deny I did the right thing in the end are wrong for one simple fact – they aren’t me. (Not saying anyone here will fuss about the latter, mind you. I have at least one person in mind that I know of, and he himself is Catholic with asexual/celibate mindsets in him.)

  • Richard

    2,000 people have nothing better to do than travel to a meeting to talk about how they can mess with other people’s sex lives!

  • BobSF_94117

    “In the case of many people struggling with this particular sin, we do
    not believe that some kind of superficial answer whereby they can turn a
    switch from being attracted to persons of the same sex to being
    attracted to persons of the opposite sex,”

    And I don’t believe that’s actually a sentence. Not interested enough to find out if there was a second half.

    • billbear1961

      It isn’t a sentence.

  • KnownDonorDad

    In a sense he’s right; praying will do nothing but at least it’s not torture.

  • BobSF_94117

    Shorter version: Don’t waste your money on quackery, give it to us!

  • billbear1961

    Praying to Christ has not made YOU people good Christians, HAS IT??

    It is primitive, hateful, wicked and deliberately ignorant NONSENSE after all we’ve learned about human nature, biology and psychology–and from observing other species in nature, especially other primates–to say that same-sex attraction is, in and of itself, unnatural or sinful.

    You might as well denounce heterosexuality in the same insane, judgmental breath.

    But making people feel dirty and ashamed of their sexuality is a BIG part of what you’re all about–it’s one of the best ways to damage them so you can move in to CONTROL them.

    Shove your phony sympathy UP YOUR ASS.

    Concentrate on your personal relationship with God; and leave others, who are interested, to do the same.

    We do NOT require the intercession of OTHERS to aid us in our individual relationship with God (assuming there IS such a being, which I do NOT).

    • Friday

      Hey, if I prayed to the Goddess to be straight She’d be like, ‘Whassamatta, bored already?” 🙂

      (For a bit of context it comes to mind how it came up in conversation once where a Christian friend asked, ‘Well, what’s the most dangerous thing to say in *your* religion,’ and it immediately came to me, “Oh, Four words: ‘Oh, Goddess, I’m bored.’ ” 🙂 )

  • billbear1961

    “We believe . . .”

    Stop right there!

    I don’t really care what you believe, hocus-pocus man.

  • Ben in Oakland

    Well, even a stopped clock is right once a day.

    Ex gay torture is not as good as prayer. And prayer is useless. Which makes exgay therapy less than useless.

    Not Jesus, not Freud, nor fraud have ever turned anyone from gay to straight.
    .

    • Chucktech

      Prayer is laughably useless. Ex gay torture is dangerous. It is, in fact, torture.

  • Gerry Fisher

    Praying *is* Ex-Gay Torture. Douche!

  • So now it’s “Wish really, really hard not to be gay.” And when that accomplishes nothing, as expected, move along to “Wish really, really hard for other people not to be gay.”

  • Natty Enquirer

    There will never be any reasoning with these people. They refuse to see sexual orientation as anything other than a vice in need of cure. The best we can do is wait for them to pass away and be replaced by more enlightened generations.

  • Stev84

    “Biblical counseling” is dangerous BS. Nothing but untrained idiots causing harm. In many areas of the US it’s even difficult to find real, secular therapists.

  • I don’t know. I had an exorcism, and it kind of backfired. I turned gayer, and my exorcist wound up trying to hump his assistant.

    • Friday

      Hey, a bunch of people screaming at someone they must believe in demon possession rather than being gay or autistic or something, what could possibly go wrong?

      Oh, well, it always does. From a shamanic perspective that’s ….highly bad. As in the opposite of helping even if there were a malady.

  • Ninja0980

    And when that doesn’t work, then what asshole?

  • pj

    sad that 2000 people cant find something more useful to do for 3 days.

  • StraightGrandmother

    So 2,000 Baptist Pastors are driving into Louisville Kentucky to learn how to be better Pastors to sexual minorities?
    I think they should practice what they preach, walk a mile in a gay man’s moccasins.
    What they should do is go back home after the training and not have sex with their wives for FIVE YEARS. They can have a deep loving non sexual friendship with their wives for FIVE YEARS. And no pseudo sex either, no helping a buddy out on the part of the wife, Oh and no pornography, then reconvene the conference in five years and exchange notes.
    If they are sincere about learning how to be a better Pastor they should experience deep friendship in replacement for sexual romance in their own lives, see if the Bible alone can sustain them.

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      Do these “Homohawk Moccasins” qualify as a gay man’s moccasins? 😉

      https://japecake.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/moccasins.jpg

      • Lumpy Gaga

        98 cents and I have to MAKE them MYSELF?

        • Friday

          If you want walking in moccassins done right, do it yourself. 🙂

        • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

          They’re on a shoestring budget. 😬

          • Steve Teeter

            I see what you did there.

  • Moehler says “Our message is the Gospel for all people, and that means that we call all people … to be converted to faith in Christ.”
    In this,he evokes Isaiah 56:7- “My House is a House of Prayer for all people.”

    The Baptist POV should take into account Isaiah 56:1-8. A broad understanding of the terms “eunuch” and “foreigner” should be inclusive of gay people in addition to trans people – people who are “different” are still loved by God.
    That part, it seems he might “get.” But his focus on LGBT people being sinners is the actual non-starter.

  • Bob M

    Maybe someone should send him a copy of

    Prayers for Bobby: A Mother’s Coming to Terms with the Suicide of Her Gay Son

    All of the prayers and religious intolerance and indoctrination led to Bobby’s suicide.

  • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

    Prayers and Pancakes… both of them have their IHOP. I’ll have the latter.

    Oh! and pass the syrup.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjNUgnlIQAA15LI.jpg

  • Lumpy Gaga

    What’s the prayer for gay-face?

  • Friday

    Only Brand X snake oil ™ will do to cure what isn’t a disease. 🙂

  • Justin

    Pray away. Way away from me.

  • … a three-day conference on homosexuality – Nope, no one there is obsessed with the gay, nope. Jesus fucking christ

  • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

    Is “oh god oh god oh god” considered prayer now?

  • sandollar_man

    Well at least he’s not preaching hate. But to refer people to the Bible might just sow more confusion.
    Here’s some fun Bible quotes:
    Woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!–Matthew 24:19
    Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.–Exodus 22:18
    Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division.–Luke 12:51
    Wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.–1 Peter 3:1
    I will bring evil upon all flesh, saith the LORD.–Jeremiah 45:5
    If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die.–Deuteronomy 22:22
    Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. Timothy 1 2:11
    But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. Timothy 1 2:12
    And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money Exodus 21:20-21

    You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

  • JustSayin’

    So instead of torturing gays using revulsion and aversion techniques these people want to use guilt and approbation from other church members…… Yeah not too different.

  • jayjonson

    They are spiritual terrorists.

  • Doug Taron

    “Christians have sinned against the gay community by “ignoring their presence among us, by remaining silent …” When the hell have they ever ignored us or remained silent?

  • Luvstoread

    I speak from experience. I was very active in a conservative, Southern Baptist church; Christian counselling and praying did not pray the gay away. As all my close friends were getting married, I kept wondering what is wrong with me. But then I discovered, I’m okay because I’m fearfully and wonderfully made (Psalm 139:14). God doesn’t make mistakes!

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Ex Gay Therapy Kills