Santorum Concedes Gays Can Be Good Parents [VIDEO]

Mediaite recaps yesterday’s appearance on The View by Rick Santorum:

The View co-host Raven-Symoné, who considers herself a “part of the gay and transgender community,” was eager on Tuesday to challenge GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum on why he remains against equal marriage rights for same-sex couples even after the issue was settled by the Supreme Court. After pausing for the several seconds of applause that followed Raven-Symoné’s simple question, Santorum delivered his usual spiel about the role of marriage in society to “form permanent bonds” between men and women in order to raise children in a stable household. Remarkably, Raven-Symoné actually succeeded in getting Santorum to admit that same-sex couples can provide a “very positive and nurturing environment” for children, an acknowledgement that would seem to undermine his underlying point.

  • Jeffg166

    Did hell freeze over?

    • Chucktech

      No, Santorum has now planted one foot there.

    • BobSF_94117

      No, but it put on a sweater vest to stave off the chill.

  • Sean Williams

    That’s so Raven.

    I couldn’t help myself.

  • Lakeviewbob

    All of the GOP candidicks represent various levels of repulsiveness for me. Frothy Mix is on the high end.

  • Christopher

    I assume he invoked god at some point.

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      • Rich Farias

        Spambot

  • Gest2016

    Maybe its starting to sink in that his 0% popularity means he might be on the wrong side of this issue.

    • Todd20036

      That and the fact that he lost by the largest margin ever by an incumbent in a state that outside of the cities is quite conservative.
      And he lost the GOP nomination… twice (soon enough)
      And that he’s a laughingstock because of what he did with his wife’s late term abortion.
      Not to mention his abhorrent views on gays, gay sex, and marriage equality.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        “That and the fact that he lost by the largest margin ever by an incumbent in a state that outside of the cities is quite conservative.”

        Add in the suburbs that surround those cities and you are spot on. Sorry, middle of PA, you may think that Philly is scary. I’m far more frightened of Pennslytucky.

    • StraightGrandmother

      Whoever is funding Santorum, I wish they would just stop.
      Stop giving him money.
      Since he is Maggie Gallaghers BFF and pick for President, we know that Sean Feiler bankrolls Maggie so probably it is Sean Feiler bankrolling Santorum also. Santorum is a dead horse, dig a hole and bury him.

    • Duck

      Nah, he will walk that shit back by close of business tomorrow.

  • greenmanTN

    For one thing, I’ve never heard of a gay couple who made their children pass around a dead baby, so just by that measure alone we’ve got Santorum beat on the parenting thing!

    • Todd20036

      Dead fetus

      • DaveW

        Important distinction for sure.

    • April

      Creepy.

    • Philly Mike

      He should have been charged with abuse of a corpse.

      • billbear1961

        And of the kids who had to “pass it around.”

        Jesus CHRIST, that’s the stuff of nightmares!

        • RLK

          Or American Horror Story.

      • Gigi

        Every time he makes love to his wife.

  • Brian G
    • Christopher

      Holy fuck!

      Lock that woman up and throw away the key!

    • Cherry

      I call absolute bullshit that the boyfriend had no idea she was pregnant. And he was in another room when she gave birth? Was he in a coma?

  • Christopher

  • lymis

    One step at a time.

    Society does have an interest in forming strong bonds between the people who raise the next generation. What people like Santorum get wrong is the idea that discriminating against gay couples does nothing to strengthen the bonds between straight couples. On the contrary, if you strengthen the bonds between ALL couples, then the ones who raise kids benefit along with everyone else.

    • Duck

      Gotta remember though, if society makes it so gays are miserable outcasts, maybe the haters won’t be so interested in man bunz.

    • IamM

      Also that the gay couples raising children should be supported & encouraged as well for the same reasons. Icky Ricky and others screech about children but 1) they want to discriminate against couples getting married according to gay or not instead of parents or not. And 2) that discriminates against children for who their parents are.

  • pete n sfo

    He was asked why gay people can’t have the same rights & he answered with the usual bull about marriage & children… never answering the actual question. Politicians only appear on fluff shows so they never get asked a follow-up… not that the news programs are much better.

  • sw42

    Yeah, you know what, Rick? Nobody really cares whether or not you approve. There are thousands of families built up of people who love each other, and maybe don’t look like you want them to look. And they love and live without a thought to your concessions about how good of parents they are.

  • Robincho

    Maybe he’s trying to add a measure of grace, however tiny, to the mix that has been his useless, worthless life so far. I doubt it, but maybe…

  • Bj Lincoln

    One can still encourage male/female family/bonds…BUT there ARE children born from male/female couples who are unwanted, abused and neglected that NEED a stable home and he just admitted we can offer a“very positive and nurturing environment” to raise kids.
    SOOOOOO what is the fucking problem you ass!?

  • Cuberly

    If I recall correctly, even Maggie has said as much. But she slapped a big ole caveat. Yes, they may be great parents, but it’s not the “preferred” ideal and we should work to reinforce the man/woman marriage bond as the desired familial setting for raising kids. This is just RCC boilerplate horseshit.

  • MattM

    Rick Santorum, the guy who brought his stillborn child home to meet the family?

    • AtticusP

      On the bright side: it didn’t eat much…

      • Chucktech

        Didn’t poop much, either…

        • Snarkaholic

          And didn’t talk back to his parents…ever…what more could they ask for?

          • Chucktech

            Generally speaking, parents would like their baby to go goo goo, da, da once in a while… Not this one…

        • Mark

          More environmentally friendly but that formaldehyde it’s in is toxic as hell.

          • Paula

            And it really stunk up the place when Grandma opened it thinking it was the deviled eggs.

          • Mark

            You nasty nasty lady you – – come here, sit by me!!!

      • Gerry Fisher

        [groan!]

    • Michael Rush

      Rick Santorum’s Big Book of Parenting Skills … chapter one –
      How To Clean The Jar Your Baby Is in .

      • MattM

        “Dust with talcum powder…to give it that ‘new baby’ smell.”

        • Michael Rush

          Don’t make fun of little Mason .

    • Michael Senesac

      What hospital would allow that?

    • That’s just so out there I don’t even question it. I mean, so crazy it’s almst human! But I don’t think us non-billionarrres usually get a choice whether baby brother goes directly into the hospital sharps landfill or if we’re wealthier into FancyPants Fun Home.

    • witch

      Isn’t it against the law for a hospital is just hand over a dead body ? My dentist wouldn’t give me my own tooth, said he couldn’t as it was a body part.

      • MattM

        Have you learned nothing from the Religious Freedom movement? Secular laws don’t apply to Christians!

  • conversely, parents like Santorum are more likely to have their children commit suicide. don’t believe me? just as Rick Warren….

  • geru

    Once again, parents with adopted children are thrown under the bus.

    And I don’t think it takes much imagination to think of a situation in which it would not be in the child’s best interest to be raised by their biological parents, or in which it would not be in the best interest of a biological parent to be raising their child. So there goes that whole natural fallacy.

  • Octavio

    The icky twit whistle needs something big stuck up his ass and twisted real hard. Nothing to see here. Keep walking.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    I think I’m becoming a grownup.

    I was just in line for coffee, and the person behind me (young white girl) was endlessly whining about Aretha’s “Amazing Grace” at Popefest.

    Amazingly, she did NOT walk away with my fresh iced coffee dumped on her head.

    • ChrisMorley

      Your restraint is admirable. But reflex coffee-dumping is also a mature adult response to provocative nonsense.

  • oikos
  • Beagle

    Sorry, Rick. Ben “Gay marriage caused the Fall of Rome” Carson already won today’s award for Most Homophobic Comment by a GOP Presidential Candidate.

  • Hunter M

    Knowing that the man will NEVER be president of US, allows me to not give a damn as to what his opinion is on anything. He could not be any more irrelevant.

    • RJ Tremor

      When he’s not in the news anymore, that’s when he’ll show his true irrelevance. Mentioning him won’t get clicks anymore, folks won’t bother to write about him, he’ll be a silent minority.

  • It makes me wonder, seriously, what his ultimate game plan is. He must realize he’s never going to get elected president with such ultra-right fringe views, beating that (dying), horse about the “superiority of natural parents”, blah blah blah. So is this all just his warm up act for a career doing speaking engagements at right wing/fundamentalist hate-fests? If so…. please…. stop wasting everyone’s time with your BS, Rick….it’s hateful and divisive, and not at all Christian.

    • Chucktech

      If that’s his angle, I think he just lost a few gigs with this admission…

    • Duh-David

      His ultimate game plan? He just wants people to know who he is so they won’t Google his name to find out.

  • Baltimatt

    Last time I checked, men and women were still getting married and creating more or less permanent bonds.

  • joe ho

    7.5 billion and counting. 9.5 billion by 2050?

    we need to give tax incentives for homosexual sex.

  • Rex

    Say what you want Rick, your name will forever be a frothy mix.

  • Happy Dance

    I came from an era where it was normal for a man to take his frustrations out on his wife with his hands any time he felt the need to. This was a very unsettling type of environment for any child to be a part of much less to say a “natural” part of. My brother grew up thinking it was ok to objectify and hit women any time he so desired because our dad did it. My sister and I both are lovers of peace and don’t like any type of arguing or fighting. My brother went to prison for his role in beating his wife nearly to death. Now, we don’t even discipline kids in our society because it might send out the wrong message. I think it is wrong to hit an adult, especially a woman, but I think it is perfectly normal to spank a child (NOT BEAT) if that child is in need or correcting. Our society is so touchy feelie and they get upset over the right messages and don’t say anything over the wrong messages. The point is, I am disagreeing with Rickie because I don’t believe there is such a role as “natural”. We have people who can become parents and people who cannot (whether straight or gay). We have people who have children that don’t deserve or need to be raising children, and we have people who deserve children and would make wonderful parents that can’t have children. It is not fair. I think just because an egg and a sperm can create a life that does not mean that those are necessarily the best parents for that child! Sometimes there needs to be intervention and take kids out of certain homes and place them in other types of homes.

    • marshlc

      I worked with kids both professionally and as a volunteer for many years, along with raising two of my own, and I feel I need to dispute your connection between discipline and spanking.

      It may be “normal” to spank a child, but it is not an effective or efficient disciplinary tool. If you feel it is wrong to hit an adult, it seems to me to be more wrong to hit someone much smaller than you. It’s perfectly possible to help children learn to control their behaviour without violence – and don’t kid yourself, spanking is violence.

      In my job, if I had hit a child I would have been fired that minute, yet I was able to keep order without much trouble – never hitting, and seldom raising my voice. If I can do it with a roomful of children for an eight hour day – and I’m not exceptional in any way for this – parents can surely manage it with their one or two children. It’s just a question of learning better techniques. Spanking is the refuge of the poorly prepared parent.

      • Dean

        I think you are full of shit. You conflate spanking with beating the crap out of a kid. Yes, it hurts, but does not damage if administered fairly… My family had a rigid standard of punishment: so many spanks for lying, so many for not doing chores, so many for hitting other siblings..It was administered by my father in a dispassionate manner, never delivered in anger. We learned that there were consequences for our actions, and that iof we were given a responsibility, we had to fulfill it.. None of us four kids ever resented our father for punishing us. We all turned out fine. None of us ever got in trouble with the law, got mixed up with booze or pills, or became emotional cripples.

        The problem with families that don’t incorporate some form of uniform physical punishment is that it is too much mental work for the parents to maintain consistent standards of behavior, and the kids usually end up gaming the system.

        • marshlc

          Well, good for you, I’m glad that you are fine with the spankings you got. I’m probably older than you, and was also spanked, and survived just fine. I’m not saying that spanking will ruin your child’s life.

          I am saying that it is an inefficient and lazy way to parent. As you say yourself, non-violent child rearing is more mental work; it also involves more actual interaction with the child. As for kids gaming the system, well, if you can’t stay a step ahead of your preschooler, maybe parenting isn’t for you.

          There are better ways to teach children how to become decent and responsible adults than to impose fear of violence from above. In a way, spanking is a lot like fundamentalist religion – “follow these rules because otherwise you will be punished”. I much prefer a different model, one that teaches “behave in this way because it’s the right thing to do”.

  • RJ Tremor

    I hear the howls of RINOOOOOO right now.

  • Porkie

    What a “pretty” speech Ricky – but you still have a name that means anal reflux.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    What bigots like him fail to understand is that raising children is a human endeavor. It has little to do with gender or orientation. Some straight couples make terrible parents, while there are many fine single parents, both male and female, straight, gay, or otherwise and many fine gay couples parenting. So, his hypothesis is disproven quite easily. What children need isn’t two parents of different genders, it’s love and support from their caregivers.

    • Chucktech

      …Even if that makes the baby jesus cry…

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        That’s as meaningful as making Santa Claus cry.

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    What is he talking about??? He says gays can offer nurturing environments for kids, but they would be better off raised by their natural parents instead of gay people. What, like gay parents STEAL the kids they are raising??

  • Blake J Butler

    I wasn’t born or raised on a farm, but i do know bullshit when i smell it, and his statement is the epitome of bullshit. He is as gay-friendly as i am straight (HA!) he is a pathetic, worthless, waste of human life. Probably trying to get his numbers up to at least 1%.

    • billbear1961

      How can anyone be considered friendly to a group of people when he wants to strip them of every right he can get his claws on, and never stops implying or clearly stating that they’re immoral monsters?

      • Blake J Butler

        It’s astounding that they think if they say these things, that these groups of people will support them in a general election. Like trump and his hate filled rants towards Latinos.

  • The Professor

    I can’t wait till he inevitably withdraws once again from the race to be the GOP nominee. Looking forward to his pathetic concession speech as he shrinks away with yet one more failure to add to his sad little bigoted life. Tick tock.

    • And his poor little girl is just now recovering from the thumbnail gouges to her back from the last go around.

  • Philly Mike

    Why didn’t Raven ask him what he thought of straight folk that could not or did not want to have children?

  • bkmn

    Perhaps Ricky wouldn’t be such a little prick if he had better parents, gay or not.

  • billbear1961

    He’ll claim he was wrong about this tomorrow.

    When confronted by someone who stands up to them, these bigots–some of whom know full well that their arguments are BS–will sometimes concede some points in our favour.

    But they’ll quickly revert the moment they’re surrounded once more by their own, especially when their fellow bigots start badgering them about it.

    Look at how some of the GOP presidential candidates are now abandoning their former position in clear favour of the Rule of Law. (Even something THAT fundamental to a genuinely free society has become a dirty concept to Republicans when they realize it means people they dislike have a RIGHT to equality.)

    I seem to recall that when Cruz was talking to Colbert, he would not categorically rule out “compromise” with us on marriage equality, whatever THAT could be.

    Even Cruz doesn’t want to appear to be his usual insanely fascist self in some VERY limited circumstances.

    It means NOTHING.

    These bastards make their living or cultivate political power by demonizing us; their followers eat it up.

    Only when it’s no longer profitable to them will the vast majority of them let the persecution drop.

  • Dot Beech

    The irony is that I cannot imagine that Rick Santorum is a good parent.

    • marshlc

      Rigid, I imagine. Probably quite fun and loving as long as the kids are doing exactly what they are told, and intolerant to anything outside his narrow expectations.

    • The kids, however, have BIG money

  • LonelyLiberal

    Y’know what, Santorum? Just fuck off. You’re a slippery son of a bitch.

  • “. . . the role of marriage in society to “form permanent bonds” between men
    and women in order to raise children in a stable household.”

    In other words, people are at the level of breeding stock.

    I’m surprised he didn’t bring up the Regnerus study.

  • Robert W. Pierce

    I wonder what his thoughts are on infertile hetero couples marrying and adopting children or single heteros for that matter and what about widows and widowers who never remarried but raising their children as single parents? Since the advent of same-sex marriage, how has it prevented heteros from continuing to marry and have children I’d like to know since he seems to imply that its inhibiting people from doing so.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • BlueberriesForMe

      A ‘marriage’ made in ‘heaven’, right there.

    • ewwwww thelies! I can smell te lies from here

      • Lumpy Gaga

        I can see the ties from here.

  • DaveW

    I agree with what he says marriage is for but expanding it to include us doesn’t negate that. But I should say I agree with what it is for for some couples. It does strengthen society, but some couples do it for the simple legal reasons. All are valid and not exclusive.

    Maybe it is their selfish nature. They fought over food in their huge rcc families? One gay marriage somehow means one less straight marriage to them.

  • Santorum should join forces with Jeb Bush. Combine Rick’s current approval rating with Jeb’s, and he could boost fifth-place Jeb’s ratings from 8% to 8.03%!

  • wow, i really care! oh, wait. no i don’t, like millions of other voters.

  • TexPlant

    Did frothy drop out yet? He has been unusually quiet…

  • Blobby

    oh no!!!! I hope this doesn’t ruin his chances for being President {sicker}

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    So what, he’s stick a frothy mess that I want nothing to do with.

  • GanymedeRenard

    So, according to your logic, Frothy, by recognizing SSM the law is somehow discouraging straight people from getting married? That’s interesting.

  • Priya Lynn

    “Santorum delivered his usual spiel about the role of marriage in society to “form permanent bonds” between men and women in order to raise children in a stable household”.
    And exactly how does gay couples marrying interfere with that?

  • StraightGrandmother

    Edit, comment left on wrong topic, geesh

  • olandp

    The Social Science research shows that children do better with two parents present from birth. The gender of the parents has no bearing on the child’s well being.

  • Gerry Fisher

    I believe what I believe…just cuz!

  • JCF

    Exposing the STINK that is Santorum: That’s So Raven! 😉

  • Robert Schaaf

    With all the deserved trash talk about Santorum, I want to write a few words about how well Raven-Symoné handled this question. Civil and articulate, and I’m proud of her. Still, I would have pursued his argument further. Many heterosexual couples marry with no intention of raising children. Are these childless marriages any less valid? Likewise, when children are involved, the purpose of the marriage is to form strong familial bonds. By what rational criteria can same-sex parented families be considered any less cohesive than opposite sex? Would Santorum have dared to drag out Regnerus again?