Bernie Sanders At Liberty University [VIDEO]

In the very first minute of his address at Liberty University, today Bernie Sanders let the packed auditorium know where their differences might lie. “I believe in women’s rights. And the right of a woman to control her own body. I believe in gay rights and gay marriage.” There was perhaps a surprisingly positive reaction to each statement. Watch at least the first few minutes of this.

  • Nic Peterson

    Can you feel the Bern? I can! 😎

  • Queequeg

    The great thing about Bernie is that he does not alter who he is based on the audience he is addressing.

    • Wayne

      Sorry, but this is bullshit. Bernie is doing a huge disservice to gay equality and to Women’s right to choose by speaking to these bigots. And it’s sad that every one on the Left wants to fall all over him with praise. He literally went into the Bigot Central says ” Oh I know we disagree a bout gays, and women’s rights, but lets just agree to disagree and I’ll give you a pass on your bigotry if you will support me in my desire to change the economy.”

      When you give a pass to bigots you enable their bigotry. If Hillary would have went there and gave such a short shift in the defense of gay rights and women’s rights, there would be HOWLS of outrage. But the Socialist folk hero gets to throw gay equality under the bus and you guys think it’s bravery.

      Wow.

      • Now Anon

        I was just thinking that maybe we don’t have a Tea Party of purity-driven ideologues on the left. But, after reading this, I’m wondering about that.

        Do you not hear the applause of approval for his actual socialist statements?

        • Wayne

          Hey, why not applaud. Bernie just gave their bigotry legitimacy.

          • Now Anon

            We must be watching two different videos.

          • Wayne

            A video of a socialist who is supposedly a champion of gay rights but goes into Liberty University (do I need to give you a refresher course on the BIGOTRY that have SPEWED for decades? Hmmm. So like Bernie, we are just supposed to say oh, all that’s ok. We will just agree to disagree. You can call us abominations, deny our civil rights and our very humanity, but if Bernie says you are ok then you must be so bad.

            FUCK THAT.

          • NH Citizen

            You seem angry.

          • Wayne

            Seeing people short shift the ideals of equality that Ive worked my ass to help achieve piss me off a bit.

          • Spongebob CrankyPants

            “short shift the ideals of equality” How is that that happening????

          • Wayne

            By legitimizing bigots and their bigotry. When you know you are dealing with LONG TIME HATEFUL BIGOTS and you say oh lets just agree to disagree so we can work together. You give their bigotry legitimacy and you short shift the ideals of equality.

          • NH Citizen

            He talked to kids.

          • Wayne

            LIBERTY UNIVERSITY, HELLO? Are you on planet earth?

          • NH Citizen

            Yeah. Liberty University, started by Jerry Falwell, attended by kids. Have you ever seen gay support among young evangelicals? There’s a sea change. There’s no harm in engaging them.

          • Now Anon

            Not only is there no harm, there is much to be gained.

          • Wayne

            Big Shock: There is GREAT harm in enabling bigotry.

          • Now Anon

            And yet that isn’t what happened here. Honestly. The Constitution of the United States enables their bigotry in the First Amendment. His speech did nothing anywhere close to enabling bigotry. He spoke to them as the human beings they are.

          • Wayne

            THEN ENGAGE DON’T BRING SOME WEAK BROTH AND CALL IT ENGAGEMENT. “Agree to disagree” about their hateful bigotry. NO I WILL NOT.

          • NH Citizen

            Caps doesn’t make your point any more valid.

            You know what? It is a “agree to disagree” situation. What do you want? Retribution? Do you want them to feel some pain? What exactly do you want?

            Nobody is going to change their minds on gay marriage. Nobody is going to take back all the bullshit that happened. We can only push forward with love and compassion in the face of bigotry.

            That means loving your enemy. Engaging them and saying, “We disagree” isn’t giving them any legitimacy. It serves to highlight their defeat, if anything.

          • Wayne

            No, it just shows he lacks the courage of his so-called convictions and is willing to sell us out to achieve his primary goal of economic socialism.

          • NH Citizen

            We’ll have to agree to disagree I guess. Spare me the socialism scare-mongering, I’m a socialist.

          • Wayne

            I’m a American.

          • NH Citizen

            Me too. Funny that. You can be an American and a socialist.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Who are you supporting ? I hope they passed your purity test.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Calm down, then maybe we can get somewhere.

          • Wayne

            By agreeing to disagree with the bigots about our very humanity? Bullshit. We are NEVER going to convince those bigots. They drank ALL the fuckin koolaide, they like it.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            No, by not being an Absolutist on this ONE single appearance.
            I mostly agree with, and am attracted to your kind of passion, but If you were a bartender you would have to throw away all the drinks that weren’t ” just so “.

          • Eric in Oakland

            “By agreeing to disagree with the bigots about our very humanity? Bullshit. We are NEVER going to
            convince those bigots. They drank ALL the fuckin koolaide, they like it.”

            It doesn’t appear that they drank ALL the koolaid. There was enough left for you.

          • Now Anon

            Those kids? Are these the bigots you’re referring to?

          • Wayne

            Yes, those “kids” enrolled at the most evil bigoted “University” I can think of. Maybe you missed out on High School in America but “kids” can be some of the cruelest hateful bigots imaginable. Trust.

          • LovesIrony

            I think he’s trying to rationalize that a daughter of friends of his is attending a bigoted school.

          • Spongebob CrankyPants

            “By legitimizing bigots and their bigotry.” How trying to change the hearts and minds of these student, legitimizing bigots and their bigotry???

            “When you know you dealing with LONG TIME HATEFUL BIGOTS and you say oh
            lets just agree to disagree so we can work together. You give their
            bigotry legitimacy and you short shift the ideals of equality.” ROFLMAO. Jesus Christ man…Life is going to get a lot harder for you.

          • Wayne

            My life is golden. I’m very lucky and thankful. I got involved in activism decades ago not to help me, but those that come after me who were not as fortunate.

          • gaylib

            You seem to only comment on this gay blog when it is to attack anyone who question Bernie Sanders. That would make you a troll in my book.

          • NH Citizen

            I’m supposed to get permission from you first or something? I’ve been reading this blog for years. I’m excited about Bernie and like commenting about him.

          • Spongebob CrankyPants

            He does.

          • Mark McGovern

            By that rationale, no liberal politician should campaign in Mississippi…

          • Now Anon

            The general consensus about the rapid progress of gay rights in the US has been simple: as more of us came out and were simply who we are, the more people began to recognize the simple humanity of our lives. If more than 50% of this country approves of marriage equality, that includes a lot of Christians, and, based on this audience, some of them attend Liberty University.

            The Pharisees of Christianity are selling their followers a bill of goods and are doing all the things you mention for power and greed. And I think these Christians are beginning to see that this bill of goods is really nothing. It’s all smoke and mirrors..

            You can go all Malcolm X on this but I see Sanders following the tradition of MLK, as most of us in the gay rights movement have been successfully doing for years — speak to the hearts and minds of decent Americans whenever possible.

            That is why, I believe, the tide turned on marriage equality when the message shifted from rights to the freedom to love.

          • b

            That’s not accurate that it was just people coming out that propelled our progress. It was in large part do combative advocates, like us. Americans admire people who fight for something. They liked and respected our boxing, and it garnered admiration.

            We didn’t just sip lattes and have pleasant conversations around a campfire. We punched some faces.

          • Now Anon

            Punched some faces? Really?

            I don’t know anyone who did that or anything like that.

            I know people who screamed bloody murder inside St Patrick’s Cathedral and laid down in front of pharmaceutical companies and the FDA and who got up and sued the g-d pants off their city, county, and state.

            I know people who went around campaigning and urging their reps and senators and city council members and mayors and being persistent in all sorts of ways.

            But I don’t know a single gay person, ever, who punched a face or ever actually advocated violence, even metaphorically.

            Not a soul. No one dead, and I know a lot of them. Or anyone living, for that matter.

            Maybe I was too busy drinking lattes or something.

          • Toasterlad

            I believe he meant punching metaphorical faces, although many a gay person who has faced an actual physical threat has punched an actual face.

            I shouldn’t have to tell any gay person this, but sometimes straight people aren’t content to let you live your life openly and honestly. Sometimes they express their approval physically. This happened many, many times on the road to equality, and will happen many, many more times in the future.

          • Toasterlad

            Agreed…it takes both kinds. The loudmouths and the peacemakers. I am proud to be one of the former, and grateful for the latter, despite how often they frustrate me.

          • Toasterlad

            As one who frequently embraces a more Malcolm X style of activism than an MLK style…Amen.

          • LovesIrony

            I think its HRC / ACT UP

          • Toasterlad

            That would be a more timely analogy, certainly.

          • I like many of your points. But though I agree that knowing us helped LOTS, the Christianists’ own public sanctimony, greed, lust for power and evil sinful lies in did their cause. Claiming that we should just disappear, they couldnt stop –from the ’90s til now– screaming from every legislative dais and every pulpit that we bad and harming children. The laws enacted [Federally DOMA plus over 30 related state marriage bans] essentially changed the Baker decision where the Supreme Court said our marriages were not a federal issue. Now they were, not only with DOMA but concerning right to travel. Court after court explored their reasoning, their animus vs their “facts” and or LIES, examined our families…and many specific cases. I have reason to believe that my ex, the late Mary Basombrio [ who lived only long enough to see her own marriage to Linda Faucett annulled by Oregon voters and her unwife hang herself] gave the bulk of her estate to that cool lesbian rights group.. Many of us spent themoney before there really was hope. And yes, some of us gays in het marriages refuse to be silent because it’s important to say we’re real when so many people still can’t and now can be fired for getting married. Most of the kids living in unigender headed households are in red states. Their families know and love them. We won this war for several reasons: The enemy was lying, while we were brave, truthful, generous and right. 😀

          • Jeffrey

            You seem angry…and aggressively ignorant. Are you a gay tea partier?

          • Spongebob CrankyPants

            “A video of a socialist who is supposedly a champion of gay rights but goes into Liberty University” He gave a fucking lecture, man. He didn’t get a job as president of the university.

          • Matthew Delemos

            I doubt any of us gays are not pissed off at our treatment for fucking eons, but come on….let’s not spit on our longtime allies for giving lectures. Just because we have more sway these days, does not mean we start burning bridges to make them pay.

          • “But no, like Bernie, we are just supposed to say oh, all that’s ok?” You really didnt listen to his speech, did you?

          • another_steve

            I voiced something similar, when it was first announced that Sanders would speak at this hate center.

            The Left should not be adding “legitimacy,” by its presence, to places like Liberty University. Would an African American accept an invitation to address a KKK clan convention, and by so doing send a message that “these are reasonable people who accommodate dissenting views”?

            Bigoted monsters like this school’s administrators should be shunned, not embraced.

          • Now Anon

            Yay for humanity!

          • Spongebob CrankyPants

            “Bigoted monsters like this school’s administrators should be shunned, not embraced.” He is speaking to the student body, which are the minds he is trying to reach. What’s wrong with trying to change hearts and minds of people????

          • Wayne

            You think he’s changing hearts and minds? No, he’s being played for a fool by bigots.

          • Six Pins Delores

            But think about what great PR it was to make future fascists of Murika to seem reasonable.

          • another_steve

            These students already have access to all the information in the world. It’s called “The Internet.” They don’t need Bernie Sanders to tell them that marriage equality is okay.

            What they do need is to be rescued from that ISIS-like fundamentalist center of hate.

          • Now Anon

            Maybe you don’t know how home schooling works? These kids may theoretically have had access to the internet, but there are such things as filters and parental controls that are used by this crowd to keep their kids completely in the dark.

          • another_steve

            What? These kids live on campus, yes? You’re telling me they don’t have the complete panoply of hand-held electronic Internet tchotchkes at their diposal?

            Or maybe the “ISIS indoctrination center” analogy/comparison is complete, and they’re strip-searched each morning to ensure no “Western conveniences”?

          • Now Anon

            No, that’s not what I’m saying. But I would guess that many of them only recently got real exposure to a variety of views, via the internet or otherwise.

          • another_steve

            When I am declared King — or Queen (probably more fitting) — of the Universe, there will be emergency airlift rescues of these kids. We’ll descend on their campus with helicopters and drop-ladders and bring them to safe shores.

          • Now Anon

            I, for one, welcome our new benevolent and regnant overlord(ess).

          • LovesIrony

            wow another steve I like your comment today

          • Wayne

            Exactly. See those guys at Liberty University are so accommodating, they don’t want to cause trouble, just ask Bernie Sanders.

          • ahahaha!

      • Jonathan

        If you weren’t such a small minded knee jerk whiner, maybe you could listen to how he directly addressed exactly why he was there.

        Speaking to people civilly despite their differences, maybe you could give it a listen before you comment?

        • Wayne

          speaking civilly to the people who say you are an abomination and whose religious book says you should be put to death.

          And you want a “civil” conversation with pure unadulterated hatred. LOLZ

          • Jonathan

            Whatever. You’re not much different than the Liberty University christians.

          • Wayne

            Except that I don’t believe in a hateful God, I support equality for gays, women’s rights, and other religions or no religion at all, oh and I think bigotry is nonnegotiable.

            Yep, that just screams Liberty University.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            And you’ll do whatever you can to make sure that your pockets are filled. Please, your shtick is really tired.

          • Wayne

            I don’t get paid for activism.

          • DaveW

            Actually those attacking Wayne are doing EXACTLY what the christianists do. I see Stockholm syndrome here. The ones that want us dead throw us some scraps and we are willing to accept them as having only opposing views vs I humane views that should be shut out not debated. Take a step back and a deep breath, actually think vs. knee jerk ideolog-react. You will see Wayne is right here. Going to Liberty only says they are legitimate and gives them credibility (well, if Hilary or Biden went) Fight the loonies, don’t show up at their hate cult fest and insinuate they simy disagree.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            That’s funny, I see someone attempting to manipulate others instead of allowing people to think, and do research for themselves. And to make it clear it isn’t the people attacking Wayne.

          • LAguy323

            Sorry, Wayne. The part of the obstinate, stubborn, angry guy has already been cast. Please come back next week.

          • Jonathan

            Or don’t. As I recall, no one would likely miss him.

          • The audience is their kids

        • He maybe didnt even listen to this GREAT speech

      • TommyTune

        I see it differently. He went into the lion’s den and fearlessly stated his opinions without nuancing them for this hostile audience. That took real courage. Give credit where it’s due. He may have garnered more than a few new supporters at that rally.

        • Wayne

          Fiercely stated opinions lol and then backed up the weak broth by wiping it all away with a “lets just agree to disagree.” Their bigotry and hatred are apparently no problem as long as they tow the line on economic socialism.

          • Disqusdmnj

            Many of them, sure. But what about those who applauded? Were they liberal plants, or people who attend that “college” who actually believe in the same values we hold, and will maybe help change that institutionalized bigotry from within in time?

          • Toasterlad

            Actually, Bernie did bring 500 of his supporters with him. He may be refreshingly sincere, but he’s still a politician, and he understands political theater. No candidate was going to put him or herself in a position to speak to hundreds of people without a guarantee of SOME applause.

          • Disqusdmnj

            Yeah, but look at that crowd. No way five hundred against everyone else would have been heard if a fair share of the other couple thousand didn’t agree.

            Far as I’m concerned, he’s the best one out there. To go through another 4-8 years of complete Rebiblican obstructionism should Hillary win is an abysmal thought.

          • Steve Teeter

            Don’t you think the obstructionism would be worse if Bernie won?

          • Disqusdmnj

            I’m not much of a politico, but I think he’d have a better time getting people to work with him (though Biden would probably be the best for that)… certainly far more than Hillary could. The GOP already showed how much they hate the black guy, I certainly can’t imagine the vile they’ll spew if the woman they already hated as First Lady makes it to the oval office.

          • Interesting. But the kidsarent booing. This is terrific

          • TommyTune

            Hold on, are you the same Wayne with a different pic who used to shill for Romney around here before he lost and was thereafter never seen again? If so, that explains everything. It’s been great not seeing you.

          • Todd20036

            He sure is

          • TommyTune

            Oh, Lord! Back again, huh, like a bad case of crabs.

          • DaveW

            Amazing how readers here cannot abide disagreement. Just like the christianists. As a centrist it is so clear on BOTH sides.

            Anyone who is not in lock step is dismissed vs engaged, how childish! I see lots of well informed, ie facts, get posted which is helpful. (And humor) Thoughtful debate? Seems to be something too scary. Why not debate Wayne? Too easy to just discredit. Irony- see who is really discredited.

          • Toasterlad

            Oh…I should have caught the whiff of fake outrage.

          • Wayne

            Don’t burn the toast darlin, my outrage is always genuine.

          • Toasterlad

            Is is always so misplaced? Or simply well-funded?

          • Joe knows who I am.

            I did.

          • Man_in_the_mists

            I’ve been thinking the same thing.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            You seem to be a bit on the defensive side there. The question is, who are you attempting to defend and why.

          • Toasterlad

            He didn’t say anything about “agreeing to disagree”. He said he’s willing to talk to people who disagree with him in order to find out what they CAN agree on. That doesn’t dismiss the things they disagree on.

            Do you think any one of those asshole kids were left with the impression that Bernie Sanders would not work for greater rights for women and LGBT when he becomes president? If so, you didn’t watch the speech.

          • Wayne

            Yes, exactly he’s willing to overlook their bigotry so that he can get them on board with his real priority, economic socialism. I got it. You obviously didn’t.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            You really need to come up with a better act. The audiences are figuring out how to look for your sleight of hand.

          • Toasterlad

            “Talk to” does not mean “overlook”, you troll.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            Seriously, don’t waste your time with his agenda. He’s ONLY here to attempt to divide people other than supporters of his candidate. And it’s just as likely that he’s paid to do it.

          • TommyTune

            I’m guessing his candidate of choice this go around is Jeb! He fits the Romney mold of the boring, rich white dude whose only interest is in eliminating taxes on the 1%, everything else being window dressing.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            Oh, and your “weak broth” metaphor… work on it.

      • Mark McGovern

        Sorry Wayne, ignoring them does not make them go away. There are young evangelicals who are ripe to be persuaded to be more progressive. What in the world is wrong with reaching out to them?

        • Wayne

          DON’T IGNORE. CHALLENGE THE HELL OUT OF THEM. BUT DO NOT give pull the weak broth about “lets agree to disgree” THAT’S BULLSHIT COWARDICE.

          • bluefranco

            I agree with Wayne…if Hillary would have gone there, the shyt would have hit the fan …I would have been against her going….Also..too. 🙂 Bernie will NEVER change their minds, they are stepford soldiers for Fallwell. The cheers that were heard were the Bernie supporters, many who were there just to see him…all the blank faces that were there were the step ford Cons! I like Bernie, I agree with many of his policies, except his stance on Guns. But let’s see what happens when he gets the scrutiny that Hillary does

          • Joe knows who I am.

            I take issue with him coddling the Israelis. There’s always going to be something bothersome about any candidate. However, Bernie has never wavered from any of his positions in all of the years that I’ve known him, he’s always been, “the Senator of Vermont” for me as I’ve never lived in his state, and he doesn’t back down from the Washington Corporate neophytes or establishment, he didn’t support the wars, he’s always supported unions, gays, blacks, women,… I can go on and on. He’s possibly the only person in Washington that I trust.

          • LAguy323

            That’s what he’s doing. Just not in the way you think it ought to be done. He has decades of experience negotiating with others to get his views heard, and bills passed in the legislature. Most of it doesn’t happen by screaming (like you are IN CAPS RIGHT NOW).

          • Mark McGovern

            Wayne, there is no need to yell at me. I realize you are passionate about this issue, as is everyone here. I can understand your argument that there are downsides to the strategy. Such is the case with virtually all political strategies. In my view, in this case, the potential good outweighs the bad. You disagree. I respect that, and I respect that I’m not going to change your mind. That still doesn’t make your view on this issue correct. It seems more passion driven than practical, to me. But that’s just my opinion. .

        • DonnaLee

          Some of them have no choice about being at that school and not hearing any dissenting voices. He might be able to reach those who will want to change.

          • Mark McGovern

            That is an excellent point. Perhaps applicable to more than we might think. If I were a zillionaire, I would commission a poll just out of curiosity.

      • tcinsf

        Nice job completely missing the point.

      • Spongebob CrankyPants

        “Sorry, but this is bullshit. Bernie is doing a huge disservice to gay
        equality and to a women’s right to choose an abortion by speaking to
        these bigots.”

        Dude. Grow up. The whole point is to perhaps change hearts and minds.

      • Jeffrey

        You want Bernie to only go around and talk to people that YOU agree with? You think that’s how you win an election? I don’t think youve thought that one through very well. Or at all.

        • Now Anon

          Or at all.

      • TexPlant

        baby steps. we have to take upon ourselves to educate the misinformed, to shape minds…to enlighten.

        • noni

          and claiming Bernie is a draft dodger helps in what way?

      • daveinsf

        u fool, speak with everybody.

        • Wayne

          SPEAK UNTIL YOUR VOICE GOES but you damn sure better stand up FIERCELY in defense of equality or you are just enabling their bigotry. It’s one or the other.

      • TampaZeke

        I could not disagree with you more.

        • Chris Baker

          Agreed. I went to a Fundamentalist Baptist college that considered Liberty to be liberal. If I had at any point heard a dissenting voice speaking at a college-sponsored event, I probably would have gone through less emotional struggles in the years after I left. I would have realized that there were other people out there like who questioned the system. I have made a transition to being liberal, but it took a while.
          I think his appearance there will start many conversations among the student.

          • TommyTune

            I went to a Fundamentalist Baptist college that considered Liberty to be liberal.

            You poor dear. You poor, poor dear! I hope you’ve had sufficient therapy since your graduation, because I’m sure you needed it!

          • Chris Baker

            LOL. Truth is, I never really bought into it all. Althought I did stay there a few years to work. I was hardly a rebel, but skeptical.

          • AMEN. Talk to the kids!

        • ABSOUTELY! Don’t condemn those kids… to listening only to the likes of falseChrist Cruz. and the thief Fuckedabee. This is terrific.

      • i think what was important about it, though, is that this school of bigots ends up being a part of a culture whose obsession with Gays and Abortions means more GOP votes to destroy the middle class and increase fiscal standing for only the wealthiest of americans.

        look, i get it,and emotionally i’m right with you and your argument.
        but it’s frankly staggering how many americans don’t realize that their obsession with social issues means the ongoing destruction to the stability of a middle class. i hope this was a wake up call for some of them.

        he didn’t throw us under the bus, by any means, but rather pointedly showed these students that the system they support is responsible for the affront to human decency that is the disparity in fiscal stability in america today.

      • On September 11, 2015 you stated that you “actually admire some of Bernie Sanders’ positions on the issues, but I cannot support a socialist for president.”

        What are those issues of Mr. Sanders you admire?

        • noni

          Today he has added in “draft dodger”.

          Is this a troll?

        • Wayne

          I admired his supposed position on marriage equality until he sauntered into Liberty University and gave them a pass on their bigotry. I was just as pissed when Obama was courting that bigot gospel singer Donnie McClurkin.

          You lie with dogs you get up with fleas.

          ps. Thanks for posting the link to my latest article on HuffPo by the way.

          • I doubt that you ever admired anything at all about Mr. Sanders.

            You didn’t name any of his issues you agreed with when you wrote the article, and if they existed you could easily have listed two or three; furthermore, his visit to Liberty University was announced on August 6th of this year — almost six weeks ago. Surely you were aware of this. Either you weren’t paying attention to your own pet peeve or saying you admire something about him is, at best, disingenuous. The fact of the matter is you’re simply opposed to anyone even being allowed to consider Mr. Sanders because he’s a socialist. “…I cannot support a socialist for president.”

            PS: You’re welcome. One can link to any thing on Joe’s blog that one wishes — he allows great freedom that way. You could have linked it yourself.

          • Wayne

            I’m modest. 😉

          • Joe knows who I am.

            I have a dog. He sleeps with me. Every. Single. Night.

            I hated it at first. Resented my partner over it as it was initially his dog. I didn’t ask for the dog, AJ is his name, to be in my life. But, he won me over. He’s more loyal and compassionate than anyone has ever been to me, and you know something, Wayne? Not one flea. Not one. Bernie won me over in much the same way. And by the way, being an activist doesn’t mean treating everyone as if they were an asshole, nor that you have to be one. People will listen to you more if you treat them with respect even when they don’t agree with you. And just maybe because of that, you’ll make a difference for someone else in the next generation. You may not be remembered, but you’ll have left a positive legacy that could save a life in the next generation.

      • Michael Bedwell

        BRAVO, WAYNE!!! Sanders betrayed gays AND women today.

        • LovesIrony

          and Wayne is taking all kinds of shit for it from those that want us to be polite to those that want us killed, or imprisoned and denied our right to marry our life partners.

          • Now Anon

            Um, nooooo…. That’s not what I want. I want to be able to reach those kids in that audience who are reachable.

          • Toasterlad

            I don’t want us to be polite to those that want us killed, or imprisoned, or denied our right to marry our life partners.

            I DO want Bernie Sanders to be president. And if Bernie Sanders is going to be president, he can’t speak to bigots as you or I would speak to them. The fact that he clearly stated right up front that his views are contrary to theirs on the issues of women’s and LGBT rights was proof that he wasn’t pandering to them. And he spent the rest of his speech telling them how the Bible is antithetical to everything they believe politically.

            He didn’t coddle or appease these bigots. He spoke to them the same way he has spoken to everyone throughout his campaign, and gave them the same message.

            I don’t want to be polite to anti-gay bigots, but I also don’t want to be president of the United States. The president, contrary to what Donald Trump believes, is required to be polite to everyone, whether he agrees with them or not.

          • Wayne

            No, actually the President is not required to be polite to anyone at all.

          • Toasterlad

            Really? When’s the last time you saw one being IMpolite? And I’m not talking about general buffonery like W groping Angela Merkel or cluelessly eating cake with John McCain while New Orelans was drowning…I mean telling someone to their face that they were a bigot, or an asshole, or a moron?

          • Wayne

            Seems I hear Obama mocking the Republicans ALL the time. Rightly so, but it’s definitely not polite. And there has never been some requirement for presidents not to be rude. EVER.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            Ooooh, a protege!

            Please bring something fresh to the act. You’re just not filling those seats anymore like you used to.

      • SoCalVet

        exactly

      • AEM3

        He also said we all know we disagree about these issue but let’s agree to disagree and at the same time look for common ground where we can have some civil discourse. He is trying to bring ALL Americans together to look at the most important issues that affect ALL of us, not just a few. No other candidate in the last 20+ years is speaking this way. And I think it is about damn time. I am old enough to remember a time when we had civil discourse in this country. It has devolved into hateful acrimony between the parties. I believe we can all do better. We have done better before and that is what I believe Senator Sanders is trying to say here. And he was also respectful to his audience. I did not hear him use the word bigot once. I submit you missed the point he was trying to make entirely.

      • Toasterlad

        He absolutely didn’t give anyone a pass on their bigotry. He let them know right off the bat where he stood on those issues, making it clear that he would not change.

        Talking to bigots does not equal giving bigots a pass.

      • twb6yz

        “IF Hillary had went there . . . ”

        The point is, she hasn’t. She’s structuring her campaigning to avoid getting reported on. Small events with no press, roping off the press at parades, etc.

        My, God, look at the next story on Joe’s blog. Why it’s a hard hitting interview with Hillary and Mario Lopez!

      • Not every kid whose parents demand Christianist education want that. These kids are kids- many are hungry to learn. I’m so so happy that Bernie spoke to them from his heart to theirs. This was honest and decent and possibly important.

  • GarySFBCN

    Go Bernie!

  • AtticusP

    I really like Bernie Sanders.

    I think he’s the real deal, and that he’d make a great President.

    But I also think that the majority of voters in this country are far too stupid to ever let that happen.

    • zhera

      There’s an election in Norway today (local elections) and there’s a red and green wind blowing! Maybe, just maybe, it can go international? I hope so!

      • When will election results be announced?

        • zhera

          They are more or less done now. We’ll get a new city council in my city, which is just super awesome! Green Party have done a great election and will be in negotiation position several places. Conservatives and liberals (liberals are right-wing here; US politics is weird) have lost all over the place.

          But the right-wing coalition is still ruling the country for another two years. HOPEFULLY we’ll get them out in 2017. 😀

    • HoneyBoySmith

      While I’m not saying you’re wrong…keep in mind that similar things were said about Barack Obama in 2007.

      • AtticusP

        That’s very true.

        And believe me: I’m hoping that I’m wrong.

      • Dead Giveaway

        This comparison always falls apart under the most basic scrutiny. Obama has never had Bernie’s record. Obama was anti-gay before it became politically convenient not to be. Obama is funded by banking cartels and corporations. Bernie is funded by unions. Follow the money.

        • All true, but why so angry? Obama was black but boy he played to win. I’m glad he did, and I love Bernie.

          • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

            Obama got crucified by these people. Every pun intended.

          • DaveW

            Bernie is no Obama. He is MUCH more liberal. He has some attractive positions but would do real harm as president. Either extreme is equally bad. Just think of the capital exodus! Like far far righters, lefties like the good (free stuff for all!) but ignore the bad (economic collapse, huge government cost and thus taxation). Or on right No Taxes!, but in reality huge deficits.

            Ideological positions never survive reality. (See obamas tack to center immediately after winning)

            Bernie is just be a good liberal for the party, making Hilary look better by comparison. Not sure it will work, she is pretty toxic and known to be quite corrupt (as a couple anyway)

          • Well… Bernie is looking good himself. Amazing to have the real issues brought up! Let’s talk more after the election. I’d love to see Supreme Court Justice “Foulmouth Gayhater” Scalia replaced by someone who cared about rights. Wouldn’t you?

      • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

        Yes. But the Supreme Court is one vote away from turning the USA into a theocracy. Clinton or Biden for me. I’m not taking ANY chances.

    • Joe knows who I am.

      I have hope, and I do whatever I can to bring up Senator Sanders and his record, and clearly define what things like Socialism, Communism, and Capitalism, are with as many people that I meet, and as often as I can. I speak to family, I speak to neighbors, I speak to grocery cashiers, and sales persons. I educate. Because that is what it will take to turn things around. Even if he doesn’t get elected. Even if he doesn’t get the nomination, at least I know in my heart that it was not for lack of my own effort. Anything less is lazy, and neglectful of others.

      • AtticusP

        My generation felt much the same about Senator Eugene McCarthy and Robert Kennedy
        so, believe me, I am not unacquainted with the phenomenon.

        I never expected to see a two-term President Obama. So, who knows? A President Bernie Sanders is probably not out of the question either.

        A guy can dream, can’t he?

        • Joe knows who I am.

          Honey, I’m in that same generation. Now it’s up to us to pass that legacy on.

        • DaveW

          Or be really really scared. There are socialist countries already for those that want it. this one will never be, thanks to our constitution written by rich men and fully protective of property and individual rights.

          The only people I know that want to ruin this country by going socialist want free stuff.

          There is terrible income inequality here but socialism won’t be our solution. There are more equitable policies to address that. Many of the working poor I know want better education and options for their family, not socialism. Many Americans have a great work ethic.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            Whatevs.

    • bambinoitaliano

      Not so much stupid rather habit of the same old same old. When face with decision, people usually pick the safest choice. The Bush and Clinton are the established candidates that most would vote because of name recognition and the safe choice.

      • AtticusP

        I hear what you’re saying, but I’m basing much of my thesis on conversations that I pick up here and there in my every day travels.

        The distinction between “socialist” and “social Democrat” is totally lost on virtually everyone that I have encountered. People use the terms nazi, fascist, communist and socialist interchangeably, unable to distinguish one from another.

        It gives me no pleasure to say it, but I’m sticking with “stupid”.

        • Veylon

          It does make it harder to target Bernie specifically. If they call him out as a socialist, everyone will just hear “democrat” in their heads and not pay it any special mind. They’ve worn that insult sword down til it’s practically round.

        • DaveW

          You need to converse with smarter people. Most I encounter know the difference (and its stark). True socialism would harm too many good families!

          • Joe knows who I am.

            Horse$hit. Who are you supporting?

    • TexPlant

      just not a good Commander in Chief

      • AtticusP

        You’re right: I think he has the stuff to be a great Commander in Chief.

        But, as with every man who has ever become POTUS, we really can’t know for sure until he assumes the office.

        And look at the way it ages them! Why any sane person would want the job is beyond me.

  • Sam_Handwich

    Hillary should be doing this. why isn’t she?

    Bernie is really surprising me in terms of his ability to communicate.

    • Jamie_Johnson

      Agreed; Hillary should be co-opting Bernie’s message whenever and wherever she can. However, I think she’s afraid of staking that position, fearing it too far left for the general. After all, in the general, we are still talking about half a population that thinks Obama wasn’t born in the US, that women shouldn’t have control over their own bodies, and that gay people don’t deserve any rights, let alone equality.

      • TommyTune

        However, I think she’s afraid of staking that position, fearing it too far left for the general.

        Hasn’t that been her M.O. all along? There’s a reason many people don’t think she’s authentic.

        • JD

          Yep. She’s never taken a stand on anything until it was totally safe to do so.

          • Toasterlad

            There’s a reason why she was the very last national Democratic figure to “evolve” on same-sex marriage.

      • justmeeeee

        Hillary’s afraid to stake most postions. She’s just waiting to be anointed, but perhaps that ain’t hap’nin’.

      • Jonty Coppersmith

        I’m about as far left as one can be, and I think his message is likely too leftist to win a general election. It’s a sad commentary on our society for sure.

        • Toasterlad

          Interesting. I’m not far left at all, which apparently means I still believe that people should be able to own and operate their own businesses, and I find Bernie Sanders’ policies almost completely in line with not just my own, but the majority of Americans.

          • Jonty Coppersmith

            Who said people shouldn’t be able to own and operate their own businesses? When I said I was pretty far left, I did not mean that I was like He Who Shall Not Be Named if you know who I mean. That said, I would like to think that Bernie’s policies are completely in line with the majority of Americans, but I fear you are being far too generous in your opinions of Americans. One way or another, I think it will be very difficult for the eventual Democratic nominee to win the 2016 presidential race. With Sanders or Clinton it is going to be a tough row to hoe. I personally believe that Clinton has a better chance of winning. I don’t think Sanders would fare as bad as Dukakis, but probably not much better.

          • Toasterlad

            If you’re so far left, it’s surprising that you don’t know that the majority of Americans favor universal healthcare, guaranteed higher education, tax hikes for the 1%, breaking up the banks, and getting money out of politics….the things Bernie is campaigning on. Perhaps you’d like to define “pretty far left”?

          • Jonty Coppersmith

            If the majority of Americans support those things, it’s a damned shame they don’t seem to vote that way. If they did we wouldn’t have working and middle class people voting for Republicans. By pretty far left, I mean more liberal than average.

          • Toasterlad

            Yes, it is a shame. But then, making people vote against what they say they want, not to mention their own best interests, is an art form those participating in our two-party system have long since perfected. That’s how you get Congress refusing to pass even the most toothless gun control legislation, even though over 90% of Americans wanted it.

            Fortunately, now we have Bernie Sanders, a politician who actually means what he says, who is running on a mainstream agenda, pushing for things that the majority of Americans want. As a person more liberal than average, you are, of course, thrilled by the opportunity to vote for someone who supports your agenda.

    • BearEyes

      Being a New Englander, I’ve known about Bernie since his days as mayor of Burlington. He’s long been able to be a great communicator.

    • AtticusP

      The curse of perceived inevitability.

      It killed Mrs. Clinton in 2007-2008, and it’s beginning to look more and more like history repeating itself.

    • SoCalVet

      Democrats don’t go to Liberty University. That’s the path of right wing christians.

  • I wouldn’t have expected such a positive reaction to both women’s rights, gay rights and a woman’s right to choose. Interesting.

    • Jonty Coppersmith

      Only a very small number of that audience applauded or cheered anything he had to say.

      • David Walker

        But some did, and that’s a bigger number than none.

        • Jonty Coppersmith

          Yep, I thought that too, but then I can’t help but think that is damning with faint praise.

          • David Walker

            Understood, but it’s like TampaZeke says, there is a likelihood that a few of them may have had an aha moment, and I see that as a good thing. I went to a college that was quite similar to “Liberty” “University.” I was amazed when I’d hear someone say something against college belief. I don’t see that harm was done, and I think trying to communicate is a good thing.

          • Jonty Coppersmith

            Totally agree that no harm was done.

      • matt n

        many of them may have felt under the microscope and feared applauding. but it seems they were listening. and bernie really seems to have thought out this speech, considered his audience and spoke very clearly. he invited people to listen. not like that schmuck cruz who pretty much just yelled at the crowd like a revivalist preacher. bernie was putting ideas out so that they could mull them over.

        • Jonty Coppersmith

          Maybe they will mull his ideas over, but I’m not too confident of that. Why would they need to fear applauding? Surely they would not be subjected to negative consequences for applauding an invited guest.

          • matt n

            they would be. liberty is an environment where one is thought badly of if one doesn’t toe the line.

  • Sam_Handwich

    A Jew preaching the Gospel on the eve of Rosh Hashanah!

    • Gustav2

      I wonder if he cracked open their Calvinist hearts.

      • Now Anon

        Neo-Calvinist… 😉 Even Jean Calvin would be appalled, particularly at the sumptuousness of their trappings.

      • Jonty Coppersmith

        Nope.

  • Now Anon

    Some friends of mine just drove their daughter up to Liberty for her first year of med school. I asked them, a bit suspiciously, why Liberty? The mother said, quite candidly, you go where you can be admitted and get the money. These folks are quite liberal. So, I’m looking forward to hearing from the daughter about her experience going to school there.

    • tcinsf

      Well, you know she won’t learn to be a proper OB/Gyn MD.

      • Now Anon

        Well, I don’t know if that is her desired specialty, or not. I have a feeling she was going for more GP. However, she has fire and I expect that if there is short shrift on OB/Gyn, she will raise a ruckus.

    • Jonty Coppersmith

      Who knew they had a medical school? I sure don’t want a doctor whose treatment suggestion is to pray.

      • oikos

        Their doctors are sure to be as competent as their lawyers. I think I would take a pass on either one.

        • AtticusP

          I’m an animal lover, and I fervently hope that they don’t have a veterinary school.

      • Now Anon

        It’s new and I don’t think that’s what happening there. If it is, I expect my friends’ daughter will be back in a jiffy. She doesn’t suffer fools.

        • Jonty Coppersmith

          Good for her! I’m sure she’ll find a few like-minded people there.

  • noni

    The majority of these Liberty University students look bored.

    Or is that they are in a Jesus trance and will never snap out of it.

    • BobSF_94117

      They’re not bored. They’re unmovable and suspicious.

      Plus they all expect to be in the 1% someday, so they don’t like the speech.

      • noni

        “They’re unmovable and suspicious.”

        Like I said, the Jesus Trance.

        • Joe knows who I am.

          Is that how we’re going to continue to treat them? Because if it is then we’re not even trying to change things so we shouldn’t even put on the face that we are.

          • noni

            I’m leavin’ it all up to you.

            You decide ide, watcha’ gonna do.

      • ” they all expect to be in the 1% someday” Ahahaha!

      • Mark Glenn

        They are the 1%

        • BobSF_94117

          You think the nation’s wealthiest send their kids to Liberty U?

    • TommyTune

      As with Ted Cruz’s great presidential announcement at Liberty, all students are required to attend – whether they want to or not.

    • stuckinthewoods

      When Ted Cruz spoke to Liberty students on March 23 it was said that attendance was mandatory for students living on campus. It is called Convocation. Perhaps that is why they were there for Sanders as well.

    • b

      They want the Golden Calf, as the Senator suggested. The wealthy have mesmerized the young into critical thoughts about gay families, instead of what Jesus said about helping others. Kindness and compassion do not serve the interests of the rich, so using Christians, they have washed their brains to increase their share of wealth.

      • DaveW

        No, the rich and the dumb Christians should not be conflated. The dumb Christians are the pawns in one wing of one party gone wrong. The rich are at the top of society and thus at the top of both parties. Many of the rich choose the GOP and thus have the dumb Christian base to manipulate. Some send their kids to liberty but it’s not the ones that are in control, you need to be too stupid to do that.

        It’s important to make the distinction. The Christians fight our equality. The rich want to stay rich. Different policies result, one we all can fight, the other not all of us agree (some gays have interests to protect from the gimme crowd, some don’t). With only half paying their way the fight over free giveaways is more equitably divided than the fight over equality which is most everyone vs the small number of loud bigots.

        • Chuck in NYC

          Well, let’s be clear of another distinction. It’s the evangelical Christians, for the most part, that fight our equality. There are a good number of Christians that have fought on behalf of our equality.

          And I say that as a lapsed Christian myself.

    • Six Pins Delores

      They light up when they see the Applause sign flash.

    • Queequeg

      I call it blissed out. That stoned look the have when they all close their eyes and wave their hands in the air.

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    Jeez, so many stone faces and crossed arms in the audience. They even refuse to applaud the idea of working together to solve problems we all agree on.

    • Sam_Handwich

      no booing, tho. and that’s pretty good considering how republican audiences act like animals at debates.

  • noni

    People in the south might respond to Bernie if they were told that he’s a first cousin of Colonel Sanders of KFC.

  • Sam_Handwich

    He reminds me of Michael D Higgins, President of Ireland, both in terms of general appearance and economic philosophy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-vCJQ5lLPk

  • BeaverTales

    Any relationship between Liberty Counsel and Liberty University?

    • Harley

      Yes. They are gay married.

    • Tempus Fuggit

      Yes. Mat Staver, founder of “Liberty” Counsel, was Dean of the Liberty “University” law “school” from 2006 to 2014.

      • BeaverTales

        That must be an especially shitty law school

        • BobSF_94117

          Indeed, the Bush administration’s go-to source for appointments to government jobs.

          • noni

            Bush also used Regents University grads which is Pat Robertson’s founded University.

  • noni

    A followup question on abortion at Liberty University answered by Bernie.

    The crowd goes wild at the mention of abortion.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=y_nTe7LCYYI

    • Dave B

      Bernie is right to talk about conservative hypocrisy. The Conservatives only care about a baby in the womb, after birth they don’t give a shit; let them starve and die of illness without healthcare, just as long as enough live to 18 to send to war.

    • Ore Carmi

      Scary crowd. It makes me so sad.

    • CottonBlimp

      Lord help those fucking ignorant kids. Giving a standing ovation to such a stupid question.

  • LovesIrony

    I do not wish to deny religious people the right to marry to hold what job they wish or to have whatever consensual sex they want, I do not think I need to treat those that want to legislate my marriage out of existence with respect. I will call them bigots

    • Jeffrey

      You have missed the point. if you don’t understand why it’s important to reach out to people who disagree with you then maybe you should be quiet while the grown ups talk.

      • LovesIrony

        maybe you should go suck a bigots dick .If you don’t think I have a right to stand up for my marriage in the face of bigotry go have your love fest with the enemy

        • Now Anon

          I think you just proved his point.

          And before you make the same suggestion to me about who to suck off, I have (by accident) and it was awful. So you may need to find a new dismissive for me. I’m looking forward to how creative you are. Should be fun!

        • Jeffrey

          You are a complete moron.

          • LovesIrony

            traitor

          • Jeffrey

            You don’t even make any sense. I don’t know why you are still going on about it.

          • LovesIrony

            I see how you treat those that disagree with you you fucking hypocritical patsy traitorous scum’

          • Spongebob CrankyPants

            The same way you treat people who disagree with you.

            Remember this: “maybe you should go suck a bigots dick .”

          • LovesIrony

            I never claimed we should treat our enemies with respect. He did
            got it? or are you too stupid to see the difference?

          • barrixines

            Is that you reaching out?

        • Spongebob CrankyPants

          “maybe you should go suck a bigots dick” That’s mature.

          • LovesIrony

            says spongebob.

          • Spongebob CrankyPants

            Says LovesIrony.

            We can do this all day.

      • LovesIrony

        you just came on here attacking me for disagreeing with your appeasement of those that want to deny you of your rights. You fucking traitorous hypocrite.

      • uhhuhh

        No, you miss the point that Sanders stood in front of a room full of bigots and told them that WE’RE too blame for not being “civil” to them when they crusade against us.

        • adakovan

          “and told them that WE’RE too blame for not being “civil” to them ” Did you watch the speech? He never said anything like this ever or came even close to implying that. He opened the speech with his commitment to supporting gay rights and never wavered from it. By speaking to kids on the other side about supporting our rights he is not throwing us under the bus. Thats ridiculous.

        • Jeffrey

          Well I guess you heard something other than what man others of us heard and thats ok. I really don’t care. When you find the perfect candidate that is loved by each and every person on both sides, do let me know.

    • Toasterlad

      I agree with you. But again; you and I aren’t president of the United States.

      We have not yet reached the tipping point in America where bigots are afraid to show their faces or voice their opinions in a public forum. It took decades after the Civil Rights Act for the country to reach that point in the case of African Americans, and it’s still very much touch-and-go in some parts of the country.

      We – you and I – are tired of fighting and tired of being denied our rights and tired of people treating people like Kim Davis as if she has a legitimate gripe with what’s expected of her. We want someone to stand up for us and call these people what they are. Unfortunately, no straight people of prominence are ready to do that just yet.

      And even if we HAD reached that point, that’s not what Sanders would do. He has based his whole career, and especially his presidential campaign, on talking about the issues, not calling people names, however accurate those names might be. You wanted him to march in there and stare those kids down and call them on their hateful bigotry…I would have loved to see it. But that’s not what he was there for, and the fact that he didn’t do it doesn’t mean he was intimidated by them or pandering to them or legitimizing them.

      • LovesIrony

        I caught grief for saying im not going to play nice with bigots not what Bernie said.

        • Toasterlad

          But isn’t that what the discussion is about? I don’t think anyone expects YOU (or me) to tolerate bigots.

          • uhhuhh

            Yes, that IS what it’s about. Sanders stood in front of that crowd and blamed US for not being “civil” to bigots. It was one of his big applause lines because it pandered to the demented demand for us to respect their bigotry against us.

          • Toasterlad

            Really? Could you give me the minute mark in the speech where he said that? Cause I listened to the whole thing, and didn’t hear it.

      • uhhuhh

        You miss the point. Sanders stood in front of bigots and blamed US for not being “civil” to them.

        • Toasterlad

          No, he didn’t.

  • BobSF_94117

    The few liberal students should have just shut up and let him speak.

    • Now Anon

      What the heck does that mean? Not applaud?

      • BobSF_94117

        Yes, that’s what I mean. They distorted the audio and video by their closeness to the microphones, giving the impression of approval that wasn’t there.

        As far as I’m concerned, hooting can go back to where it belongs (wherever that might be).

        • Now Anon

          I’m still confused. Were you there and saw this?

          • BobSF_94117

            I’m just watching the video.

  • LADY MABELINE

    What the hell does he think he is going to accomplish by going to Liberty University as a democratic candidate.? Those people base thier policy decisions based on the bullshit that is fed to them through their misguided beliefs.

    • Sam_Handwich

      he managed to jam their screwy ethical beliefs right up their asses

      and he gets some publicity out of this for crossing over ideological lines

      meanwhile, hillary is eating cookies in private with 3 old ladies in Iowa

      • GreatLakeSailor

        Agreed. I think too that overlooked by many commenters here is that his audience for this event extends well beyond that arena and to many nation wide with maybe not quite so fundamentalist belief system that want to hear (need to hear?) the hypocrisy called out of a system that claims to value such things as life, then leaves children hungry, uneducated and without a promising future.

        While anecdotal at this point, I have read more than a few stories of very religious folk coming away from a Sanders’ speech and saying that he has the most moral platform they’d ever heard from a presidential candidate.

    • Jeffrey

      Well Lady, that is what we call a sweeping generalization. You’ve just written off a section of the population that you don’t deem worthy of enlightenment. I would be against that if conservatives said it and I’m against it when you say it.

      • Jonty Coppersmith

        Religious fundamentalists can not be enlightened because they already know the truth. They don’t listen to science or reason. There are probably a small number of students there at LU who are not religious fundamentalists as evidenced by the occasional cheers, but they were clearly less than 10% of that audience. The vast majority of that audience sat there with stoic faces and cold hearts waiting for the heathen libtard to shut up. Those who cheered were already the few more liberal people there. I hazard to guess that not a single person had their positions on the issues challenged or changed by that speech. I love the Senator Sanders and will vote for him if he wins the nomination, but the speech offered little in terms of solutions to any issues as far as I could tell. The only thing I heard in terms of actual policy was his support for 12 weeks of paid medical/maternity leave. I support that, but what about all the other issues? The bottom line is that only those in that audience who were already liberal Christians or non-religious were receptive to what he had to say. It is like spitting into the wind to attempt to change the minds of the religious right, a completely futile exercise.

        • Now Anon

          You claim science yet you make a broad anecdotal generalization about the audience that real science could never support. Unless you polled the group before and after, you have no idea what really happened.

          • Jonty Coppersmith

            I lived with, worked with, went to school with these religious right types. I know them well. I saw with my eyes and heard with my ears exactly what happened in that room. It was as plain as the nose on your face.

          • Now Anon

            You do realize that you are using precisely the same language as most fundamentalists? In other words: you are judging them based on your biases. That’s fine, but don’t berate them for eschewing science when you’re doing the same thing.

          • Jonty Coppersmith

            Eschewing science? I’m doing no such thing. One does not need to conduct a scientific experiment to see that the vast majority of that audience was not receptive to Sander’s message. One does not need to conduct a scientific experiment to know that the religious right’s supreme authority on every issue is their decidedly non-scientific book.

  • pickypecker
    • JCF

      “‘ell with U!”

  • LovesIrony

    be nice little fags and treat bigots kindly? I am not a politician.

    • NH Citizen

      Love your enemy.

      • barrixines

        Yeah I just love love love Shoebat when he’s calling for the fags and the feminists to be murdered.

        • Tor

          Yes, he gets a little extra love.

    • Now Anon

      Treat everyone kindly. It’s a model. Not every political moment need exact vengeance.

    • M Jackson

      huh? You’re hitting the sauce early today? Or is this usual for you?

      • M Jackson

        Had to read it again, now I get your drift. You sounded so much like a Mediaite homophobe that I thought I was over there for a minute.

    • uhhuhh

      That’s basically what he said to the crowd.

  • TexPlant

    Honestly it is hard not to like the guy….I just wish he was not a draft dodger.

    • noni

      Republicans will make hay out of anything.

      They make up lies anyway about candidates so why worry about it?

  • 2patricius2

    He walked into Liberty U, clearly stated where he is coming from, and challenged them with the words of the book they claim to worship.

    • Now Anon

      Excellent precis!

  • D. J.

    I suspect there are more than a few students attending that school solely because that is where their parents would pay for them to attend.
    Let Them hear his ideas.
    I’m surprised Liberty invited him.

    • Gustav2

      Bernie was also allowed to bring some supporters.

    • D. J.

      I would trust Bernie with the Supreme Court. Whether he could get candidates confirmed, I don’t know.

      • justmeeeee

        He’s had a quarter of a century building relationships in the senate, and even his ideological opposites respect his integrity. He’ll wrap them around his little finger.

  • BobSF_94117

    He walked right up to “do unto others” and then turned away.

  • TampaZeke

    That’s why I supported this visit from day one! The surprisingly positive response will send shock waves through the campus, especially through the administrative offices. Some of these kids are just looking for the slightest hint of permission to think differently from the parents who sent them there.

    • BobSF_94117

      The “positive response” was the first three rows screaming and hooting inappropriately, giving the impression the audience was anything but silent.

      • TampaZeke

        SO WHAT? Even if what you said is true, which it isn’t, I don’t think ANYONE would have expected that three rows of Choice and marriage equality supporting students would have even existed at Liberty University, much less had the courage to loudly proclaim their support for these things in a massive coliseum filled with other Liberty students. Trust me, this is going to send shock waves through the campus

        • BobSF_94117

          I think the student body and the administration are aware of the “enemy within”. I’ll keep an eye out for shock-wave stories.

          The other reason I didn’t like their screaming is that it diminished what he said.

          • TampaZeke

            I guess that would be the “glass completely empty” way to look at it. As a man who was once a kid very much like these kids at Liberty, I have a different view, from personal experience.

            I had my “a ha” moment of awakening at Ole Miss, as a freshman, that came as a direct result of a very similar speech delivered by a visiting speaker.

          • Now Anon

            THIS! Thank you for sharing your a-ha moment.

            And, on a side note, this was mine:

            http://static1.muzu.tv/media/images/000/228/494/0001/228494-thb2.jpg

          • TampaZeke

            OMG! I had that A Ha moment too! I was a huge fan!

          • BobSF_94117

            If there are kids in the audience moved to support things they don’t agree with — like abortion and SSM — because they agree with Sanders on middle-class economic grounds, that’s fine. I’d have been more impressed if he had explained how “do unto others” works regarding abortion and SSM instead. That might have generated a few “A HA”s (upper case).

            And, as far as the glass goes, half-full coming from me is a lot 🙂

          • TampaZeke

            Ironically enough, you’ll never get these kids to reconsider their beliefs (or the beliefs of their parents) by “preaching” to them.

    • Michael Bedwell

      Markus, please just put down the Bernie Kool-Aide, and recognize the fact that Sanders betrayed us today by effectively dismissing this FACTORY for turning out religiofascist zombines as just having an insignificant difference of opinion on little ole things like womens’ and gays’ rights. Obama did something similar in trying to snuggle up to Rick “gay = pedophila” Warren, but HE never went to Kim Davis, excuse me, “Liberty” University.

      • CottonBlimp

        He wasn’t speaking to the school, he was speaking to the kids AT the school, many of whom might not have even had a choice in being there.

      • noni

        In the end however, Rick Warren was exposed as the lying Christian that he is and made visible as a liar to a bigger audience of America. He claimed he never supported prop8 but a video of him saying he supports prop8 was found.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr3UGVghWww

      • TampaZeke

        Micheal, I have loved and adored you for years. 99% of the time I agree with you on the issues and I appreciate your passion, but something scary and unhinged comes over you when anyone says anything nice about anyone running against Hillary. You become angry, disrespectful and insulting in 2.2 seconds. I honestly think you mean well but you’re not doing her any favors, especially when you launch one of your legendary “Kool-Aid” attacks on people who actually like Hillary.

        • uhhuhh

          I can’t speak for Michael, but this has nothing to do with promoting the Clintons. Some of us who spent two decades slamming Clintons and the DLC for appealing to bigots by tossing gays overboard see the same thing here.

          The biggest applause line I saw was him borrowing a right-wing talking point and sucking up to the bigots by telling them that we’re equally responsible for the lack of civility, playing right into their demented demand to have us politely respect their bigotry as they crusade against us.

      • Toasterlad

        Excuse me. Obama PANDERED to Christians. He invited anti-gay people to sing for him and pray for him, and he said that he not only personally did not believe in same-sex marriage, but that it should be decided by the states. He was anti-gay until two things happened: 1) Biden forced his hand on support for same-sex marriage, and 2) national polling for same-sex marriage crossed 50%.

        Bernie Sanders has been speaking out for the rights of LGBT Americans for literally DECADES. And you think giving a speech to a bunch of bigots – a speech that he BEGAN by telling them he disagreed with their views on gay people – was the same as what Obama pulled?

        Your comparison is horseshit, and so is your argument.

      • GreatLakeSailor

        Yeah…and by yeah I mean no. Double fail.
        1) Making a campaign speech at LibU is not the same as being invited to say a prayer at the inauguration of The President of the United States. The former an opportunity to challenge an amoral worldview that is filled with hypocrisy, the latter an honor bestowed.
        2) Ignoring the first issue for a moment, even if this was a comparable situation, if you assign blame on Obama for Warren (and for the record I most certainly do) then it follows that LibU would be the one to blame for inviting Sanders, not Sanders for accepting.

    • uhhuhh

      Disagree. What I saw was a candidate currying favor with bigots by tossing the gays overboard at the outset and never looking back—right out of the Clinton DLC.

  • justmeeeee

    Here’s a wet dream: Bernie gets the nomination, chooses Elizabeth as his v-p, serves four years followed by eight years of the first female prez of the US, only this one’s deserving of it. And twelve years from now we’re again living in a county that is the envy of the world at the same time as it has the world’s respect.

    • davewolfusa

      I love EW, but I can’t think of a worse place for such an effective voice as hers would be as Vice President.

      • justmeeeee

        A stepping stone for her, as a close adviser to Bernie.

      • Now Anon

        Have to completely agree! Senator or President, for her, IMHO.

      • Tor

        As S. Palin stated, she could be down there in the Senate passing bills and stuff.

    • Toasterlad

      Biden’s trying to tap Warren as HIS VP, and she’s sure to go for that, if he runs.

      • JCF

        ^This. As a blatant pragmatist, I still support Hillary over Bernie. But if Biden runs w/ Warren, I’d drop Hillary in a hot second. I like Bernie, but there’s just no way I can see him winning Prez. Would rather he become Senate Majority Leader!

    • DutchBoy74

      I would love this.

  • metrored

    I’m pretty sure some of the folks cheering are only at Liberty U because they believe in their parents paying tuition.

  • that’s a rather spectacular speech to give to the future-bigots at “liberty university” (two false claims in ONE title!!!) LOL>
    but seriously, his tone was clear, his words concise and to the point. i hope it got through to some of them. alas, at LU, not caring about fiscal policies because you’re obsessed with gays and abortions is sorta par for the course.

  • noni

    You’re not legitimate to be a Presidential Candidate unless you’re a grifter and you put on the air of a grifter.

    If you don’t do that, you are suspect.

    Americans have been conditioned to be grifted by their Presidential Candidates and come to expect non answers and two, three, and four sided answers.

    When will Bernie ever learn?

  • SoCalVet

    I hate Liberty University and I have always hated it when the right wing candidates go there to legitimize them.

  • Michael Bedwell

    REALITY CHECK. First of all, as so often happens, the images/sounds of those applauding him were grossly distorted. The majority present did not applaud him, most certainly in response to his statements on women’s and gay rights. Now, let’s just put down the Bernie Kool-Aide, and seen this for what it really is—Bernie Sanders jumping the shark to land at landed at what might as well be called ” ‘Religious Freedom’ University” or “Kim Davis University.” Its Law School dean declared last month that, “Government’s only just authority [is] derived from God and it’s purpose is to protect those inalienable rights that we have been given, not to infringe them as we’re seeing take place a lot in society today.” And its associate dean is no less than the loathsome, rabidly antigay Matt Barber, until recently on the staff of the legal group representing Davis, so-called Liberty Council, and the cohost of a radio show with her equally rabidly antigay attorney, Matt Staver.

    Need we remind anyone at JMG that Barber’s ranted about “one man violently cramming his penis into another man’s lower intestine and calling it ‘love’,” and lesbians “awkwardly mimicking natural procreative relations”? He’s declared that the “tyranny of sexually deviant rights” is a plot of Satan intended to undermine the Constitution and destroy America, that homosexuality is “a cancer that brings down societies,” that there’s no significant discrimination against gays, that gays don’t really care about marriage right for themselves, they just want to destroy heterosexual marriage and “religious freedom.” That gays “purchase kids” and treat them “like having little pets or something.” That gay activists want Christians either dead, imprisoned or “marginalized to the point where they can’t even support their families.” And, of course, AIDS is God’s punishment for being gay.

    Now, it would be ridiculous enough if Sanders now imagines he’s some kind of “Religious Nut Whisperer,” even at the same time he strode into the proverbial lions den to tell them how wrong they are, the same way he’s repeatedly denounced Democrats who disagree with him about whatever. But, no, this was no act of courage, but one of shame, in which all he succeeded at was indefensibly dignifying, elevating this institution’s teaching and preaching of bigotry against gays and the transgendered and women to just differences of “opinion” that should be set aside to band together over income inequality. [Sadly, Barack Obama, made some of these same mistakes when he was a candidate, attempting to snuggle up to Pastor Rick “gay = pedophilia” Warren. But he didn’t stoop to going to LU.]

    LET US BE UNEQUIVOCAL: so-called “Liberty University” is a FACTORY for turning out religiofascist zombies, Kim Davises with college degrees. And, for those unaware, that Sanders is shown shaking hands with, whom he thanked profusely for inviting him, is not just the President of the University and Barber’s boss, but Jerry Falwell, Jr., son, not fallen far from the tree, of Jerry Falwell, Sr., founder of the so-called “Moral Majority,” and THE major architect of the religiofascist Antigay Industry who drooled about “Ellen DeGenerate,” whose was funded by his constant stream of money schemes centered upon creating and maintaining his donors’ fear of the “homosexual agenda.” He blamed gays for 9/11, saying that God let it happen because he was angry over America’s “tolerance” of homosexuality. At a campaign rally for Anita Bryant, he said: “Gay folks would just as soon kill you as look at you.” Not only did he say, “AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals, it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals,” he also claimed (in a fundraising letter, of course) that gay men with AIDS were PURPOSELY donating blood to infect others with AIDS. He described members of Metropolitan Community Church as “brute beasts,” adding “this vile and satanic system will one day be utterly annihilated and there’ll be a celebration in heaven.” Ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

    At the risk of bricks thrown at me stamped with the witlessness of so-called “Godwin’s Law,” imagine it’s 1932, and Mr. Sanders is campaigning in another controversial spot. “Thank you, Chancellor Hitler. You all know my opinions about Jews and gays and Roma and the handicapped are different from yours. But I believe it’s important to communicate with those who do not agree with us on every issue; to engage in civil discourse.”

    Well, Mr. Sanders, I believe you have not only just jumped the shark but have also now demonstrated that you are what you have called all Democrats—“ideologically bankrupt.” You shouldn’t have been there effectively dismissing their religiofascism as insignificant, passing out S’mores and attempting to lead chorus of “Kumbaya,” but denouncing it. To paraphrase what Christopher Hitchens said about Big Daddy Falwell: your incomprehensible, indefensible action today—and those of your followers sure to blindly defend it—proves that you can get away with the most extraordinary offenses to morality and to truth in this country if you will just get yourself called the smarter-than, purer-than-anyone-else candidate.

    Shame on you, Sen. Sanders!

    • LovesIrony

      well done.

    • Now Anon

      Hon, you’re a little late to the crabfest. Most of this is happening way downthread. But, at least you brought quantity with you.

      And, btw, I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’m quite familiar with the many sins of Liberty U (including the evilness perpetrated by Mr. Falwell, Sr., onto Tammy Faye Baker!).

      But the elites of Liberty and their predecessors were not the target audience for this speech. As @TampaZeke:disqus said below, it’s for the kids in that crowd who’ve actually not yet had their a-ha moment about the true nature of their orientation, gender, sexual, or political. That’s who Senator Sanders was talking to.

    • Spongebob CrankyPants

      “The majority present did not applaud him, most certainly in response to his statements on women’s and gay rights” Who care? The point is he was there attempting to do something like perhaps, change a mind or two.

    • noni

      We here at JMG frown on such long posts.

      Long poles are preferred.

    • Toasterlad

      Sorry…I try to give everyone I disagree with in a thread a courtesy read, but that’s just way too much.

      • Tor

        I read it, so you don’t have to….

    • DutchBoy74

      He had to do this to earn their respect. Sanders said it himself that most of his rallies are filled with his supporters and he laid out the case that for politics to work, we need to talk to people that we don’t necessarily agree upon every subject, but that there are areas where we can set aside our differences and find common ground.

      Sanders was very up front about this. I don’t think Sanders and the administration are going to be best buddies or share beers after the speech together, but they did provide a platform for him to speak and show 15,000+ people what it means to be moral and upright and to “treat others as you would want to be treated”.

      Please do not conflate this meeting or this speech with an endorsement. It was professionalism, and capitalizing on an opportunity. The kids will be talking.

    • Silver_Witch

      I think one of the things Bernie mentioned in his speech is the need to find common ground. Liberty University sucks – true – we still need to find common ground. Sorry you feel so strongly about Sharks and Jumping Them.

  • TreGibbs

    Why would he go to a fake University and speak to bigots?

    • Now Anon

      Do keep reading down thread. There will be much to amuse, confound, and enrage. Happy trails!

      • TreGibbs

        That’s ok… it was a rhetorical question anyway.

        • Now Anon

          LOL!

    • Canadian Observer

      Cause they are eligible to vote.

      • TreGibbs

        That doesn’t matter too much here in’Merica.

    • GreatLakeSailor

      Because they’re the ones that need a good, well reasoned takin’ to.
      Bear in mind, that speech went well beyond the walls of that arena.

    • DutchBoy74

      It was an open platform to reach conservatives. He knew it would be broadcast. It shows his ability to reach across party lines to be able to compromise and find common ground.

      This speech was for more than just Liberty.
      Liberty is known as one of the most, if not THE most conservative meat factory. If he could resonate with a good amount of them, he could resonate with life long conservative republicans.

      He needs conservatives on his side to win. Liberals alone will not do it. He has been finding common ground with conservatives for 30 years. This is the presidency, and thus he is going to need the consensus of the entire makeup of the American body to win past any trickery the RNC or the DNC might bring against him.

      The man has balls going into the lion’s den like this.

      • TreGibbs

        Yes, I know – again, it was a rhetorical question.

      • GreatLakeSailor

        I think the term “finding common ground” is one of those corrupted phrases that has been abused in modern politics. Bernie did seek to find common ground with his audience, but not in the way it is thrown around these days – namely he didn’t seek to compromise his core values. Too often “seeking common ground” translates into cutting nutrition assistance $10billion instead of $20billion, or invading one country instead of two. Bernie did seek common ground, in the way without quotes, by saying here’s things that we see, or at least should see, eye to eye on; that both our moral value systems demand we address. That’s really, really different than right wing Dems “seeking common ground” on how just much to sell out to the Oligarchs.

  • Robert

    Well it takes guts to go there and say that. Any applause was likely them being polite and having been coached to be so so that they can claim they are open minded…

  • stuckinthewoods

    everyone in this thread is so cranky. Well, maybe they all just had a nice weekend and their nipples are still sore. They’ll be better later….so cranky.

    • Now Anon

      Not all of us! I’m feeling rather gay myself!

  • delk

    I wonder if the so-called applauders were the same students wearing Rand Paul shirts at the Cruz hate kick off.

  • Toasterlad

    Heard that he had 500 of his own supporters up front, so that accounts for the woos for the woman’s rights and gay rights talk…but the crowd still seemed onboard with the majority of his speech.

  • DaddyRay

    And that probably is the first time Liberty University students were ever taught about actual morality.

    • DutchBoy74

      So true.
      You could see so many wheels turning in that crowd.
      I hope, at the very least it caused some of them to dig deep.
      I was raised Christian conservative. This speech hit all the sweet spots.
      I also hope this speech eases some of the doubts that this man can reach conservative voters despite his leftist positions.

    • sherman

      Profound statement of the day.

  • DutchBoy74

    A candidate to restore sanity.

  • Walt Seely

    Pathetic to see so many young university students refusing to respond with any applause and displaying somber faces. Small-mindedness is quite at home there. Not quite the concept of a “university.”

    • Chrissy

      Remember this is mandatory for them to attend.

      • Walt Seely

        Yes, and it was more than noticeable. How sad that a “university” mandates that students attend. That speaks for itself. Far from an atmosphere of universality or open-minded thinking.

        • Chrissy

          It’s Liberty University — where you send your stupid christian children who need constant monitoring. It’s just a step above a mail order diploma mill with housing and student clubs.

    • noni

      Most are in a Jesus Trance.

  • Silver_Witch

    Bet they didn’t have to pay anyone to attend this speech.

    • pleasebereasonable

      No, their grades just depend upon it…….

  • Jack

    i gotta say, that reaction blew me away. Well, I sat up a lot straighter than I usually do.

    I also cannot believe that someone so long out of Brooklyn has an accent that is stronger than mine ever was. I so look forward to his administration.

  • Fred

    The crowd sounded friendly but whenever the camera panned across the crowd it looked like they were giving him a cold shoulder.

    • pleasebereasonable

      Those weren’t cold shoulder looks, they were the looks of suspended rational though.

  • fuzzybits

    I think that if he influenced even a handful of people to maybe see their lives would be better to be more inclusive he did his job.

  • Steven B

    I love every single thing this guy says. Is it just me or isn’t anyone else concerned about his age?

    • Blackfork

      I like him, too but nope, his age is not a stumbling block for me. He’s slim, energetic and sharp minded and has a spot-on memory. Look at Christy–no one talks about that blubber around his waist and the heart disease he’s nursing. And Reagan had Alzheimer’s. I just would like to see him pick a good, younger running mate for backup.

      • Steven B

        As for Christy, everyone talked about his weight which is why he got his weight loss surgery (for all the good it did). But there is no surgery for age. I recall Reagan was 74 when he took office. Bernie is now 75 and I don’t know when he turns 76. I guess I’ll wait and see what happens and who his potential running mate might be.
        I’m crossing my fingers for the guy and thinking more and more of throwing my primary vote his way. I just want to consider everything.

  • Steven Leahy

    Hopefully, at minimum, he left them thinking, and with luck some of them will question the ideology they’ve been indoctrinated with.

  • uhhuhh

    In in the first minute, he uttered rote boilerplate support gay rights and then quickly tossed gays overboard. He validated their bigotry by saying he understood that they “feel very strongly” against gays, as if that bigotry is just another political opinion. Later, he borrowed a bigoted talking point by telling them that awful gays should be more “civil” to them when they’re crusading against us.

    Sorry drooling fanboys. Your rights are a distraction to be tossed aside in reaching out to bigots. A dismissal of gays right out of Bill Clinton’s DLC.

  • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

    The last president that tried to have a Kumbaya moment and got beat up badly by these people was the current one. Mr. Post Racial president stood before the alter of Pastor Rick Warren and his ilk and got kicked in the teeth. Trust me. The Jewish guy in the White House ain’t gonna fare any differently than the black one did. G-d bless president Obama. I’d vote for him today if I could. But I betcha if he had to do his first two years all over again he would have taken his mandate and told the religious right to stick it where the sun don’t shine. Sorry, Mr. Sanders. I’ve thought about it. Not impressed.

    • Blackfork

      I disagree. I think Obama’s attitude about it is ‘better to have done it than not to have made any effort at all’. He is a president who will offer his hand first; if it’s rejected it isn’t because of not reaching out.

  • Linda Kemp

    Wow. How many ways do I love Bernie? #feelthebern

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  • JCF

    “There was perhaps a surprisingly positive reaction to each statement.”

    I heard Bernie had his staff in front. I mean, I *wish* it were true that LU has a bunch of pro-choice/pro-marriage equality students, but I doubt it. The biggest applause line was for the QUESTION of “how can you not support the unborn” blah-blah-fetusfetish-blah…

  • ChitownKev

    Back when it was first announced hat Bernie Sanders would give this speech at Liberty, I felt pretty much the same way that Miss Wayne did: Liberty University is a bastion of bigotry that no Democratic Party contender should give a speech at, as Liberty University is a bastion of bigotry that’s trying to hold on to their federal funding.
    That thread here at JMG caused my mind to do a 180 on this whole thing.
    Everyone, please remember that there were a few LGBT students in that audience; students that are probably going through a very special hell at Liberty U. When this speech was first announced, there were a few Liberty U. alumni that did share in the thread here and heir stories were very, very moving.
    I have been out of the closet (for better or worse) since I was 16 years old; indeed, some might claim that I was never in the closet. I can only imagine what the experience of closeted LGBT students at Liberty is like; truly, I don’t wan to imagine it. esp. as their parents probably weren’t willing to foot the bill for those LGBT kids to go anywhere else.
    Bernie Sanders gave a fabulous speech here that gave those few LGBT kids in that audience some hope. And that was well worth the time and the trouble.

  • customartist

    Excellent speech.

    I suspect that most of those students have no experience with financial or health struggles, so not sure they can really appreciate such situations.

    However, even those who did note applaud did seem to be actively listening,…and that’s a good thing.