Matt Baume On Kim Davis [VIDEO]

“What happens if a clerk doesn’t approve of a couple that wants to get married? Can a clerk keep their job AND follow their conscience?”

  • Michael Rush

    if she doesn’t resign and she isn’t impeached what could possibly happen ?

    will she go back to her job after jail time ?

    she’s said she’s not going to resign …

    as much as you might hope for an impeachment here’s the reason that might not be attempted …

    ” In the interim, Davis will get to keep her official position. As an elected official in Kentucky, Davis cannot be fired for failing to comply with the duties of her office; she could only be impeached, TIME Magazine reported. University of Kentucky law professor Scott Bauries told TIME that removing Davis from office would take a vote by the conservative Kentucky legislature. She’s probably got enough supporters that she wouldn’t be impeached anyway,” added Bauries. ”

    i wonder if they shut down the courthouse and don’t pay anyone unless she resigns if that would have an effect .

    possible outcomes are confusing me .

    • LonelyLiberal

      If she tacitly allows marriages to continue and doesn’t stand in the way of her deputy clerks from doing it, end of problem. It’s a compromise (and a rather poor one by my lights), but I guess it works.

      The instant there’s a marriage refusal, she’s back to jail…unless the KY legislature does something in January.

      • Michael Rush

        What could happen in January ?
        Can she be voted out of office then ?

        • AtticusP

          i’d be the first person to admit that I don’t have a thorough knowledge of Kentucky politics, but my guess is that this bitch would be reelected in a landslide. because Jesus.

          • Toasterlad

            It depends who’s getting the bill for this fiasco. If this gets foisted on the taxpayers, they will not be happy.

          • AtticusP

            I hope you’re right, but I have my doubts.

          • crewman

            Voters make noise about caring about fiscal responsibility when it’s a cause they don’t support, but unless there is a new “Kim Davis Tax” or a removal of a popular service clearly linked to the expenses caused by Kim Davis, I am betting this issue won’t sway anyone.

          • lymis

            Unfortunately, the average taxpayer doesn’t see this as coming out of their pocket, and the kind of taxpayer who does and opposes this doesn’t see that expense as Davis’s fault, but rather, the fault of the uppity gays.

          • Michael Rush

            if you let the public decide which human beings are entitled to human rights they would re-elect her , which is why you can’t let the public decide . it all sounds long and expensive .

            http://media.kentucky.com/smedia/2015/03/12/17/00/M7Q05.AuSt.79.jpg

          • thevofl

            And if she does get re-elected wouldn’t that negate her central pseudo-legal claim that her job was changed midstream? Then she would know the job’s expectations include marriage to all.

          • AtticusP

            Very good point.

          • Gene

            no…she was barely elected this time, and the locals overall DONT like being saddled with bad press (they are trying to bring in new business) and BIG bills for this legal mess. I dont think she would win again

          • AtticusP

            Good.

          • Buford

            I agree… and the fact that the deputy clerks in her office are happy to issue the gay marriage licenses speaks volumes.

          • BlueberriesForMe

            It appears that even the Kentucky politicians don’t have a thorough knowledge of Kentucky state law. Though that surprises no one.

          • AtticusP

            Well it sure as hell doesn’t surprise ME…

          • david fairfield

            There were more supporters outside her office for the couples than for her. Also the majority opinion in Rowan County is that she should just do her job and stop bringing so much negative attention to their towns…

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Since she just started her term in January, she probably has at least until Jan 2017 until that ends.

        • Steverino

          At the very least, her obstinance guarantees she will remain in jail until the KY legislature reconvenes in January and decides then what to do with her.

          • crewman

            I think that’s how this will play out. She’ll stay in jail until January when the KY Legislature passes a law to give her a pass. So, what options will KY have? Can they create a law that allows every county clerk to opt out of their job responsibilities, which with time and religious pressure would eliminate marriage for gay people? And furthermore, how humiliating is that to go to a government office and have the clerk make clear they disapprove of you and you need to go to the “gays” line over there.

          • Nexus1

            Our best hope is that she will not be able to stick it out in jail for months and resigns in a few days. Then hopefully someone goes to the other two bigoted clerks offices and gets refused and then the process continues with them. It would be great if by the time the legislature reconvened that all the bigoted clerks were out of office. Then the passion around the issue may have died down a bit. I know that in the end all of this will be a footnote in history, but it’s hard not to worry that this is just the opening salvo of a new wave of (eventually) unconstitutional laws aimed at weakening civil rights for LGBT’s all in the name of ‘religious freedom’.

          • Gianni

            I would be stunned if she resigned. A born-again Christian’s outlook is like a pit bull’s bite. Only death can release the grip. No, she’s got her cross now and the she’s just beginning to drag it around to inspire the persecuted.

          • Nexus1

            If she can stay in the slammer for the next 3 plus months then I’d be surprised. Even the most ardent of believes can question their faith, plus I don’t think her supporters will be as willing to hold signs outdoors when it’s 20 degrees outside and snowing. Plus Staver and his ilk will grow tired of Kentucky by then. We’ll see if she’s made of strong enough stuff to last that long.

          • McSwagg

            It’s the same slow erosion of being able to exercise your rights that we see in state after state with respect to abortion rights and voting rights. They don’t overturn the actual right, they just make it near impossible to exercise that right.

        • John30013

          The legislature reconvenes in January. They could impeach her (unlikely, though that’s what they *should* do), or they can change the law to accommodate her in some way.
          According to her “lawyer”, her only objection is that her name (and I believe her signature) appears on the marriage license. The legislature could remove that requirement. Or they could pass a law to let her opt out as long as some other clerk in the office were available to issue licenses. Or they could think of something else.

          • Eric in Oakland

            “Or they could pass a law to let her opt out as long as some other clerk in the office were available to issue licenses.”

            That doesn’t require a new law. It’s an option already, but she refused to accept it.

          • John30013

            Apparently not without her signature on the form (although that’s still a bit hazy, at least for me). Perhaps she leaves some pre-signed forms for when she’s out of the office or on vacation, but the law seems to say only she can sign the forms (or the county judge or executive can sign then when she is “absent”).

          • Eric in Oakland

            The judge offered to let her not go to jail if she were to simply allow her deputy clerks to issue licenses. She wouldn’t agree, so went to jail instead. She is unwilling to accept any compromise or reasonable accommodation.

            And her signature does not even appear on the forms, by the way (or so others in this thread have claimed).

          • John30013

            According to a photo posted in another thread yesterday,there is a blank space for the signature of the official who issues the license. The law I mentioned prescribed who may sign in that blank spot.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      I think the Gov has the ability to toss her out, and will do so, when things calm down. All he has to do is is say straight people weren’t able to get married under the reign kim the terrible, either.

      • lymis

        He has the legal right to toss her out when it has been legally determined she is not doing some aspect of her job. I am not a lawyer, so I don’t know if what’s happened so far is sufficient cause, or if that requires waiting until the actual lawsuit (instead of just the requests to stay the district court ruling) is finally resolved. But that provision exists, so it’s not a permanent stalemate.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          It was her insistence that she’d lay down her sizable body in front of every other clerk in the County which presented the problem. She told the judge she’d continue to do so.

          I’m still interested in how or why the County Exec stayed mum throughout two months of this mess. My hope is that Davis’ interference (or non-absence) meant that he had nothing TO sign, even if he stood there in front of the cameras, pen in hand.

    • You are correct sir. The Kentucky constitution is very ambiguous on this subject. Someone posted an explanation a few days ago that it was designed that way to protect the Jim Crowe status quo.

    • david fairfield

      Combine 2 counties and eliminate her position….?

      • Michael Rush

        yes please !

  • Gene

    love you as always Matt. logical and well done…alas, it will go over the heads of the fanatics. they embrace victimhood to tightly

  • LonelyLiberal

    Brilliant Matt as always!

    So you can do your job, quit, or…there is no third option.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Option # 3- Dragged out by the hair

      • OH! I’ll vote for that one!

  • dcurlee

    Matt 👍

  • douglas

    KD’s version of religious freedom.

    • KCMC

      now hungry for bacon

  • Giant Monster Gamera

    I think Matt gets hotter as he gets older.

    • Todd20036

      Hard to tell. He’s too clothed.

  • SFHarry

    It’s not always easy to argue with these loonies because their points are so irrational and all over the place, but I can always count on Matt Baume to do a great job.

  • GanymedeRenard

    Ugh! Why do you have to talk sense all the time, Matt? You’re so logically annoying! (And super cute *giggles*.)

  • MikeBx2

    Well, what the hay? Why hasn’t every single Kim Davis defender been confronted with the Louisiana judge’s refusal to marry the interracial couple in 2009? Force Huckabee and Cruz to attempt to differentiate between that and what Davis is doing. I know, I know, they’d say because Jesus. But still…

    • lymis

      They’ll claim that an opposite sex interracial marriage is still a real marriage, but that same-sex marriages aren’t, and therefore are subject to individual religious interpretations.

      They’ll also claim that nobody ever objected to interracial marriage on religious grounds, despite clear documentation to the contrary.

      I disagree completely, but never underestimate the power of circular logic.

      • billbear1961

        Then we present the clear and irrefutable documentation.

    • Toasterlad

      The people that were denying interracial marriage used to say it was about Jesus, too.

      • It’s always about Jesus, sigh. Why wont these damned xtians let him off the cross already?

  • BeaverTales

    Cant wait to see Xtians getting a taste of their own medicine

    • oikos

      I love Betty. She is the best. I would love to see Deven Green have her own show.

      • Octavio

        I thought she was Stephen Colbert’s sister. 🙂

        • oikos

          She is a Canadian.

          • RoFaWh

            For deeper insight into the Canadian soul, look up “Frank Magazine” and “horizontal jogging”.

            The pols in Ottawa hated Frank magazine because it honored no sacred cows at all. Nor any pols that drifted into its line of fire.

          • oikos

            I’m only a few hours from Montreal and a few more from Ontario. My area is overrun with Canadians during the summer months.

          • Funnily enough, Arizona is over run with Canadians running from winter, not that I blame them. I’m running from Alaskan winters meself.

          • McSwagg

            At least they eventually go home. I’m in Texas and we have a certain Cubano-Canadian that won’t leave (or shut up).

    • Michael Rush

      Betty Bowers is my favorite Rupaul’s Drag Race contestant ever .

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Recalcitrant clerks are an HR problem.

    Complete denial of service goes before a judge.

    Any questions?

  • Giant Monster Gamera

    I really wish we could sit the haters down in front of this video, have them watch it, and then explain afterwards just what their objections are.

  • Octavio

    Again, thank you Mr. Baume for your clear, concise and rapid reasoning. Oh, to be young again when all my brain cells fired like pistons in a well-oiled V8. 😐

  • david fairfield

    Has anyone established whether she continues to earn her salary while she is in the slammer???

    • billbear1961

      Draw not earn, David.

      She’s been drawing and not earning her salary for over two months.

      • david fairfield

        Right , that is what I meant, a stupid error on my part…thank you Billbear. But I wonder if she continues to get paid while in prison. If so, what incentive to get out? Jello every day could be a motivator for her.

        • billbear1961

          I was just being fussy to make a point.

          🙂

          • david fairfield

            I know, Billbear…few people appreciate your fussiness more than I……

          • billbear1961

            🙂

  • joe ho

    so when does the hunger strike start?

  • Buford

    That’s actually a great analogue to the Davis case… a religious health inspector refuses to sign off on the required paperwork for a restaurant because they serve bacon… because putting their name on the certificate would effectively condemn them to Hell for enabling a sin.

    Good grief.

  • Steven Leahy

    Firstly, let’s stop calling it “conscience”. It sanitizes and legitimizes this shit. Let’s call it what it is, bias and bigotry, nothing less.

  • MattM

    Can I have Matt for my birthday (which is today)?

    • Phil in Colorado

      Happy Birthday!

      • MattM

        Thanks!