Kim Davis: Today’s Marriage Licenses Are Invalid And Worthless Without My Signature [VIDEO]

According to hate group leader Mat Staver, Kim Davis has declared from her jail cell that the marriage licenses issued today in Rowan County are invalid without her signature. Yahoo News reports:

A jailed Kentucky clerk asserted that marriage licenses issued without her authority Friday to gay couples in Rowan County are void and “not worth the paper they are written on” because she didn’t authorize them, her attorney said. Kim Davis now wears an orange jumpsuit and “has already been doing Bible studies with herself” in jail, her attorney Mat Staver of Liberty Counsel told reporters after meeting with her behind bars. He said Davis is in very good spirits, and is prepared to stay as long as it takes to uphold her religious freedoms. “She’s not going to resign, she’s not going to sacrifice her conscience, so she’s doing what Martin Luther King Jr. wrote about in his Letter from the Birmingham Jail, which is to pay the consequences for her decision,” Staver said. Meanwhile, Staver said he’s preparing to appeal U.S. District Judge David Bunning’s contempt finding as one of several legal challenges on her behalf.

The Rowan County attorney and lawyers for today’s couples say Davis is full of shit. However yesterday Judge Bunning did warn that couples would be acting “at their own risk” by accepting licenses without Davis’ signature. In the clip below, Staver discusses his jailhouse visit with Davis, whom he says has no intention on complying with the court’s orders.

  • GarySFBCN

    She also had this to say:

    https://youtu.be/keAUquzMASE

    • WildGift

      That reminds me of one of JMG’s exorcism videos.

  • Andrea_Rae

    She just doesn’t know when to quit. . . . .

    • Schlukitz

      Davis is going to be a twatwaffle right to the bitter end.

      The gay-hatred is strong in this one, even though she denies it, most likely at the advice of her counsel.

      Good thing that she does not have access to pins and a voodoo doll.

      • Who did she fall hopelessly in love with in her younger days who turned out to be a big ol’ homo bone-smoker? It’s the only explanation for her animosity.

        • oikos

          I’m thinking one of the ex hubbys.

          • AtticusP

            The Kim-Strung Trio?

        • Todd20036

          Probably ricky Martin

        • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

          That would explain that bizarre fantasy of hers about the gay men raping her while they tied up her hubby-du-jour and made him watch. That made me go WTF more than anything else in this story. Does she not even know what gay means?

          • Pierre

            WAIT! She actually said that?

          • StraightGrandmother

            Her husband said it. Said Kim has been getting death threats and that is one of the threats. I thought the same thing, gay men don’t typically threaten to rape women but oh well, no sense talking to guys like that.

          • ultragreen

            He keeps mentioning these death threats, but to my knowledge there are no police investigations and no tangible evidence to substantiate his claims.

          • ultragreen

            Gay men raping HER? I think not.

        • Schlukitz

          Anita Bryant and her gay husband is a perfect example.

      • Marc

        Twatwaffle. It needs to be said more.

      • Michael Abbett

        She doesn’t, but I do.

    • It’s the anti-gays last stand, plus she is still getting attention. In a few days this will get out of the news cycle and people will have moved on, then what happens?

  • oikos

    Cantankerous
    Unrepentant
    Nasty
    Twat

    • Wynter Marie Starr

      Clever. And true.

  • lizdhm

    http://www.aclu-ky.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Bunning-Rowan-Ruling-81215.pdf

    Davis don’t know law too well. Of course we knew that already.

    • lizdhm

      The gist being that in the absence of the clerk, the county’s judge executive can issued the licenses, which he said he would do.

  • Tommy Marx

    Is “doing Bible studies with herself” a euphimism for masturbation, because it really sounds like it is.

    • Michael Smith

      My first reaction was “is that what they call it now?”

    • bambinoitaliano

      Josh Duggar did a lot of that.

    • jimi008

      Don’t make me think about that!!

    • Palto

      I was thinking the same thing. He makes it sound like Jesus is really inside of her.

      • Sientje Seinen

        you must a catholic, did Christ not tell the christians
        Greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world” the Lord has overcome your god at calvary where he defeated death and satan, repent and Christ will set your free from being in bondage to sins of the flesh.

        • Paula

          So you’re into bondage, eh?

          • David Walker

            Thank you, Paula.

        • barrixines

          If you didn’t insist on giving yourself a rosary job as you type I sincerely believe your punctuation would be much better.

        • JustSayin’

          That quote is out of context you moron, It is John 4:4
          You are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

          which by the way Jesus did not say, and in fact Jesus did not speak in that book until this.
          4:8-9 – “Please give
          me a drink,”
          Jesus said to her, for his disciples had gone away to the
          town to buy food. The Samaritan woman said to him,
          “How can you, a Jew, ask for a drink from me, a
          woman of Samaria?” (For Jews have no dealings with
          Samaritans.

          not a single damn word from Jesus in that book before 4:8-9

          Learn what the deity you profess to love actually said.

        • ultragreen

          You mean, like Christ set Josh Duggar free from the sins of the flesh? And then there’s Kim Davis, your beloved martyr, with her multiple marriages, while producing babies that were the result of having sex outside of marriage.

        • McSwagg

          Why do you hate catholics so much. You tell us you are all about love and then you spew hate about the catholics. Very telling!

          • Sientje Seinen

            because the pope is not the vicar of Christ I will tell what the Vatican is. It is the Roman empire now under the guise of Christianity with popes at the head to whom the people have to pay homage, instead of ceasars. It is a false religion as Christ is head of the church, as He gave His life for same, and beside Mary is not a Jewish name. Her name was probably Miriam who gave praise and thanks to the Lord God of Israel as she was of the royal line of David, a prophesy fulfilled. I lived among them for twenty years, so I know what roman catholicism is about. most priests co-habitate with their housekeepers, some are alcoholics and some are homosexuals. You have to remember Christ when He died said “It is finished” and the curtain in the temple tore in half, no more need of sacrifices or priests as Christ after His resurrection ascended into the heavens to be our faithfull High Priest, whom can relate to us, having bore our infirmaties and been tempted like we are tempted. and when we come before God”s throne and ask forgivenes with a repentant heart, the Lord God removes our transgressions as far as east is from the west, solely for the sake of Christ redemptive work, when we ask for forgiveness in His Name. It is by grace we are saved it is a gift from God.

          • McSwagg

            More fairy tales.

          • McSwagg

            i thought you were supposed to love your neighbor? I guess that only applies to those that think exactly like you. Such a bigot.

  • Jmdintpa

    This bitch is on a demented power trip. For the first time in her life people treat her like she matters. Probably been abused by these hillbilly types she seems to breed with. Soon when the church realizes the money beg isn’t working they will also abandon her. That’s when I want to see her. I’m looking forward to her total mental collapse when it happens.

    • John

      “This bitch is on a demented power trip.” Were you referring to Mrs. Many Marriages or Miss Staver?

      • William

        The pretty one.

        • TampaDink

          And Kim too!

        • OrliJoe in Fla

          Well! That answers that!

      • Yes.

      • b

        There’s no power. She needs to be transported to Uganda for power.

    • Christopher Smith

      We HOPE the money beg doesn’t work…

      • Jonathan

        She’s going to rake in some serious cash. Watch. I hope not but it looks likely.

        • olandp

          Whatever trickles down to her, Mat and Franklin and all of the others will get their cut first, she won’t be able to spend in prison.

        • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

          I don’t know. This appears to have really divided “conservatives” (whatever that means anymore). Even the Federalist isn’t bothering to defend her actions. They’re just claiming hypocresy on the part of progressives because Gavin Newsome wasn’t prosecuted when he told his clerks to issue licenses in defiance of Prop 8, which is kind of a valid point.

          • Chucktech

            Except she’s the anti-Gavin Newsome.

          • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

            Yes, I think Newsome is awesome and a great ally and he did a lot to move this forward. If I lived in California I’d vote for him. But, as has been repeated so often the last few days, we are, or are supposed to be, a nation of laws and it shouldn’t be about personalities or personal opinions.

          • Chucktech

            We’re also a nation that, ostensibly, values rights for all its people. Like being able to marry the person you love, and that’s what Newsome was trying to secure.

          • sfbob

            Not really. When the courts ordered him to stop issuing marriage licenses he did. Immediately. Up until that very point it was debatable whether he was exceeding his authority. Better still, his actions led to the litigation which overturned Prop 22 in 2000 and resulted in marriage equality until Prop 8 was passed.

            “On March 11, 2004, the California Supreme Court ordered officials of San Francisco “to enforce the existing marriage statutes and to refrain from issuing marriage licenses not authorized by such provisions.” The Court later held in Lockyer v. City and County of San Francisco that the City and County had acted unlawfully, but was free to bring an action challenging the constitutionality of the marriage laws if it wished.The City and County of San Francisco then filed a Petition for writ of mandate in Superior Court, seeking a declaration that “all California statutory provisions limiting marriage to unions between a man and a woman violate the California Constitution.” All six actions were consolidated (coordinated) in a single proceeding called In re Marriage Cases.”

          • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

            Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I’ve been racking my brain trying to figure out how the two are different. Because, just emotionally, having Gavin Newsome and Kim Davis in the same category seemed like having fresh apricots and rusty razor blades in the same category.

    • bambinoitaliano

      I would not give her that much credit. The liberty council is pulling the string.

    • Mark

      Not sure. I think the husband numero 4 is pussy whipped all the way down to the dime. She makes the money – and he will do as she tells him. That modus operandi has carried over to her little clerking job – where the assistant clerks will do as she tells them to – or she can and will fire them.

      • Rand503

        OH yeah — I”ve worked gov’t people just like her. They love having people quiver and quake when they walk by.

        Question: Does she still draw a salary while in jail?

        • ChrisMorley

          Since Kentucky has 41 elected Jailers without County jails who are paid handsomely for apparently doing nothing, she quite possibly is still being paid.

          Here’s the ‘Duties of Elected County Officials’ for Kentucky. County Clerks are in Chapter 5 beginning at page number 53. There’s also more on the rules on ‘compensation’ for elected officials in Chapter 1.
          http://www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/ib114.pdf
          I can’t see anything saying whether she is or isn’t entitled to be paid as an elected official while in jail.

          The Kentucky Center for Investigative Reporting published early this year “Only in Kentucky: Jailers Without Jails” and elected County Jailers get paid handsomely for apparently doing nothing. There are 41 of them. http://kycir.org/2015/01/02/only-in-kentucky-jailers-without-jails/
          Why not ring or email the authors and ask for a bit of investigation into Kim? Remember the County has recently filed a complaint of Official Misconduct by Kim Davis with the State’s Attorney General.
          Reporter R.G. Dunlop can be reached at [email protected] or (502) 814.6533.
          Jake Ryan can be reached at [email protected] or (502) 814.6559.
          The Kentucky Center for Investigative Reporting even have a website http://kycir.org/

          I’m a Brit living in Britain; over to you.

  • Guess
  • crewman

    This statement says loud and clear, this was never about being embarrassed or offended about having her name somehow endorsing marriage between same-sex couples, which is what she had claimed. This has always about her wanting to set her religious beliefs above the law, and stop people from exercising their civil liberties if she does not approve of them. More bluntly, this is about her effort to deny LGBT people their rights.

    • j.martindale

      She is a power crazed idiot. I just hope a few weeks in prison clear her head. In the meantime, the courts need to find a way to protect the innocent gay people who have acquired marriage licenses in Rowan county so this harridan’s evil and corrupt tactics don’t hurt them down the line!

      • sfbob

        You’re a good person to harbor such hopes. I on the other hand don’t think it’ll matter to her. In her mind there exists no possibility that she is wrong. She is impervious to both reason and reality. Her continued incarceration proves to her that she’s a martyr. Her release from custody would constitute vindication.

        • RoFaWh

          Remember the scene in Harry Potter where Doris Umbridge makes him write “I will not tell lies” with a quill that also inscribes it on the back of his hand?

          “I will not tell lies”:”I am wrong”::Harry Potter:Kim Davis

      • Sientje Seinen

        gays are not innocent, they have an evil agenda in their hearts, homosexuals cannot survive without recruiting, soon they will be recruiting your children why do you suppose they have sexual orientation in the schools today, never heard of this before and children grew up just fine.

        • David Walker

          Xns are perfect…they just think they are. No. That’s unfair. The Truly Religious don’t think. Thinking is discouraged. Thinking is dangerous. Thinking just might spark a question about what the preacher has been screaming about. As William Hazlitt wrote: “Prejudice, in its ordinary and literal sense, is prejudging any question without having sufficiently examined it, and adhering to our opinion upon it through ignorance, malice, or perversity, in spite of every evidence to the contrary.”

        • Sk3ptic

          Cretin. Straight families make gay people. No one recruits children more the the cult of christianity.

          • Sientje Seinen

            yes they do here is a fact during the second world war there were 4,000,000 males of them 2,000,000 were homosexuals, so dont tell me they were all born that way, No they are the spawns of satan read Genesis chapter 3 verses 12-15. and you will see what I am talking about. the reason wanting sexual orientation taught in the schools, children did fine without this, as it is the parents responsibility not the schools.

          • Sk3ptic

            That’s incredibly funny! And REALLY stupid!

          • JustSayin’

            there were 123,202,624 people in the U.S. as of the 1940 census. you are a lying moron.

          • DonnaLee

            Typical christian liar.
            Making shit up when they’re wrong.

          • ultragreen

            2,000,000 homosexuals out of 4,000,000 males during World War II? You’ve definitely lost contact with reality!

          • TheManicMechanic

            The e.coli in your holy water has rotted your brain.

        • crewman

          Good lord you don’t know how things work. But then again, you are just a troll. Per your disquss profile you’ve posted 5938 comments and received 1175 upvotes, which is a rate of .2 vote-to-comment ratio, or put another way, on average you post 5 comments before you receive a single vote. Or put another way yet, people do not value your input. In fact, that rate of of vote-to-comment is so low it could serve as a quantitative definition of a troll; someone who spouts out garbage of little to no value.

          • Holy shit! Even He-who-must-not-be-named has a better record than that!

        • ColdCountry

          Do you have any idea where you are commenting?

        • JustSayin’

          fake Christians are a bigger evil than gays, ,,,and you are a fake.

        • douglas

          We studied the fight for civil rights in school and that didn’t make me black. We studied the Russian revolution and that didn`t make me Russian or a communist and it sure did make me a Czar. We studied about China but that didn`t make me Chinese but it did make me love fireworks. So how does “having sexual orientation in the schools” have any bearing on this conversation? Not a word was spoken about homosexuality in school when millions of us attended and we still ended up gay AND FUCKING FABULOUS!!!!

        • Jonathan

          Is there something wrong with your vagina that makes men flee from you? Otherwise, it must be that you’re a stupid, mindless, religious idiot that no one wants to listen to. Please fall directly under the next bus you see :”Harketh, Jesus commands you to sacrifice yourself undere the next public transit bus you come across. This is mandatory, so sayeth the Lard” Good riddance you stupid bitch, no one would miss you, not even Jesus.

    • SockMikey

      Her husband stated that Kentucky discrimination was voted into law by the good citizens of Kentucky and the SCOTUS decision shouldn’t override Ky after she was jailed.

      This gets to the point of why she’s doing this.

      To prevent gay marriages, not because of her endorsing it via rubber-stamped name on form.

      ****

      Wouldn’t you just *love* to have a video of some of the sermons being preached about Gay Marriage/Kim Davis at her church? 🙂

      Bet those would be just a revealing as Joe Davis’s “Sodom & Gomorrah” sign.

      • Piet

        I saw a photo of her church. Looks like a converted dairy barn to me, with a sagging roof and badly in need of a paint job to match the nasty little sign out front. Looks like the only part of the property in decent repair is the asphalt parking.

      • JustSayin’

        her husband is a mouth breathing moron who fornicates with her…his understanding of constitutional law is very limited.

    • Sientje Seinen

      God and Christ Jesus are the law. Remember Christ said “Think not that I have come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. repent and give honor to the Lord God of Israel and Christ Jesus whom made Him known to us. God cannot walk with sin, therefore confess your sins and receive forgiveness for same. repent before it is too late.

      • Sk3ptic

        God and Christ Jesus are myths.

        • Sientje Seinen

          then why are the gays persecuting the christians or those that believe in the Lord God and Christ Jesus whom He sent if they are a myth. satan knows that Christ defeated him and death at calvary. but do the gays want the world to know this as they are ensnared by satan to do his will.

          • Sk3ptic

            Do you understand what logic is? Because that “paragraph” you just squeezed out doesn’t look like you do.

          • JustSayin’

            you have that backwards. Christians are still persecuting gays, just like you are. you call us names, demand we die or agree with your fairy tale beliefs.

            your type is now in jail for NOT DOING HER GOVERNMENT JOB. She tried to persecute gays in the name of her God…just like you do.

            oh by the way you need to go back to your fiction with some knowledge.
            the U.S. is a secular nation and our highest court ruled in
            GARCETTI ET AL. v. CEBALLOS. that the speech of a public servant doing their job is NOT protected by the First Amendment.

            That means that as a public servant Davis and others cannot hide behind the First Amendment in their attempt to discriminate.

          • Jonathan

            Why don’t you try fucking off and dying, you blithering half-wit?

          • ultragreen

            We aren’t persecuting Christians. Christians like to persecute themselves, and then blame other people for it.

            All of this silly talk about God, Jesus, and Satan — they are just fairy tales that exist within your own mind.

      • crewman

        You believe what made-up things you want. But be clear that is not the law. Just follow the law like everyone else has to and we’ll all get along fine.

        • Sientje Seinen

          the constitution does it not say “One nation under God?” and has God not forbidden same sex unions? so what now is it now going to be one nation under queers? since you do not obey the Lord God, whom is the creator of heaven and earth, and since the “earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereoff, you need to give reverence to Him, before bowing down to faggots.

          • Sk3ptic

            That’s the Pledge of Allegiance, you moron! And the phrase “one nation under god” wasn’t added until 1954. Those troublesome facts!

          • JustSayin’

            she and facts are strangers.

          • JustSayin’

            NO it doesn’t and no matter how many times you speak that lie, it does not change reality, facts or law.

            no has god forbidden same sex marriages..

            you are a vile hate filled bitch. you and kim will rot in the hell fires of your god for attacking his children… yes we gays are his children that you are trying to harm with your lies…learn your own damn religion you mouth breathing illegal alien.

          • ultragreen

            One nation under God? Nope, the constitution doesn’t say that.

            God forbidding same sex unions? How can your God forbid something when he doesn’t exist?

          • TheManicMechanic

            You are in over your head here, Christer moron. People here know the bible far better than you, not to mention way more intelligent. So go back to your miserable little xtinanist life and try not to think about where stepdaddy touched you.

          • Sk3ptic

            LOL–I was thinking more along the lines of her father brother.

        • Sientje Seinen

          well you followthe law of the Lord God to love your neighbor as yourself and let Kim Davis have her faith, without you pushing your agenda on her. okay. I dont believe that gays are capable of loving their neighbor as themselves as they do not have the love of God within theirhearts. I rest my case.

      • KCMC

        squirt

      • sfbob

        I have a religion which I try not to trot out needlessly. I don’t need your religion or your sanctimonious bullshit. Now go away.

      • JustSayin’

        more out of context crap from you That is from John 5:17
        17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
        18For
        verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
        tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
        19Whosoever
        therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach
        men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but
        whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

        you conveniently ignore 18 and 19, which if read as intended you are not only going to be the least in heaven you will never reach heaven because Women who try to teach men are an abomination that need to be put to death.

        • douglas

          If you check out her facebook page you will see that she posts a lot of little cartoons about her girlcrush Katie. Do you have something to confess Sientje?

      • JustSayin’

        not in this country… try Syria.

      • Cuberly

        Repainting the hallway this weekend, you have any color recommendations?

        http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QcjhsB0k7aM/T73asB_P5vI/AAAAAAAAZt4/WHCIA7uhlfw/s1600/Benjamin-Moore-Color-31.gif

        • Lumpy Gaga

          I have no taste, but even I would just rule out “Mayonnaise”. I mean, company comes over, oohs and ahhs, asks about the color, then.. conversation stopper!

        • DonnaLee

          Desert Tan. I think you can’t go wrong with sand colors for a neutral which will not look white, but still match about everything.

          • Cuberly

            Yep that’s what I’m going with. It’s a dark entry too so I have to keep the color pretty light anyway. But before all this I have to repair and patch some damaged corner beading. Project! Lol…

        • McSwagg

          Don’t ask me. I am official “color blind”. Honestly, a number of the shades in your sample look alike to me.

          • Cuberly

            I think that’d be easier actually. I belabor these decisions like crazy..lol….

    • Sientje Seinen

      her religious beliefs are not above the law, the Law of God which in the constitution does say One nation under God, He has forbidden same sex unions, therefore whose law are people to follow the law of homosexuals or the law of the Lord God creator of heaven and earth, so also the creator of the land of America

      • Sk3ptic

        Honey, enough with that complete fabrication. The Pledge of Allegiance is not the Constitution.

      • ultragreen

        spray, spray

        • McSwagg

          Here, try my spray. I hope its more powerful.

      • JustSayin’

        you keep repeating that lie.. sorry bitch you are still wrong. the U.S. is a SECULAR nation. get over it. move to an ISIS country.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    You didn’t anticipate she would be in jail? Either you are a fucking liar or you are really really really stupid.

    • OrliJoe in Fla

      Hmmm… I’ll go with ‘who is a liar’ for $500

      • BlueberriesForMe

        I’m going to underbid you for 2 cents.

      • bambinoitaliano
      • Eric in Oakland

        Yeah, it’s hard to claim he didn’t expect the outcome he was working to achieve. He planned for her to go to jail so his side would have a manufactured martyr to display for the political sideshow.

        • OrliJoe in Fla

          And so he should be disbarred.

          • Eric in Oakland

            I totally agree!

    • WildGift

      I think he’s both.

      • AtticusP

        Ha! Just posted the same thing!

        • WildGift

          Great minds and such. : )

    • AtticusP

      I can see no reason why it wouldn’t be both.

    • b

      A real lawyer, not a religious, political activist in sheep’s clothing, would have advised her as follows: “You are a public official. and same-sex marriages are now legal marriages. You face serious jail time if you refuse to face these simple facts.”

      • danolgb

        Yup. Instead he’s feeding her martyr delusions. If she were smart, she’d file malpractice charges against him. But…

    • All of the above.

    • Mark

      Really, really, really, REALLY stupid

      Edit: I’ve been thinking about it and I think this may be a very well crafted ploy to get all the attention possible to this wench — money, notoriety, etc…. I have my fingers crossed this backfires horribly on them.

    • ultragreen

      Yet another miscalculation. Staver should be sued or debarred for malpractice.

  • j.martindale

    More evidence that her religious principles have nothing to do with her behavior. She doesn’t want gays to be married, and she feels it is her right to prevent them from marrying. I have been trying recently to avoid using the words I think are appropriate for her. Suffice it to say, she has no more religious motivations for her petulance than a rotting possum. The supreme federal court has decided this issue. She thinks she is more important than the federal courts.

    • Goodboy

      I thought their whole concern was just her getting her name off of it so she didn’t have to feel like she was going to hell or something. If that was the true motivation she should be happy right now since she’s no longer part of it. She got what she wanted.

      • j.martindale

        Charade!

        • Goodboy

          Yup. Anyone who is defending that shit was never on the fence anyways.

          • Jim Detwiler

            “The Rowan County attorney and lawyers for today’s couples say Davis is full of shit.” They’re not the only ones. It’s hard to defend a self-anointed and generally unwanted force of moral authority from a poorly dressed, arguably over-paid but certainly now-criminal government employee – who’s now costing a small fortune. Isn’t weeding-out this the sort of taxpayer waste and incompetence a ‘conservative’ principle?
            You’re fired.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Did Christ not say to the lawyers, Woe unto ye lawyers,? of course they love this as gays fill their pockets with loads of money, manmade laws do not replace the Laws given by the Lord God.

          • KCMC

            IGNORE the TROLL^^^

          • David Walker

            No, no. This one’s fun.

          • KCMC

            cat playing with flailing mouse

          • Cuberly

            “Fun”? 😉

          • David Walker

            Yeah. I’ve heard all her shit before and she hasn’t quite got her preacher’s timing and rhetoric, although she’s trying. I prefer this to the raving lunatic that I’ve sometimes triggered here. She gives no thought to what she’s saying and has no idea where she is. Hence, she’s fun.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol I know where I am behind my desk at the computer talking to some Americans whom dont know enough to get out of the rain, I usd to like americans but lately not so much. will be back have to get my laundry out of dryer.

          • medaka

            Laundry isn’t the only thing you have to get out of the dryer.

          • Sientje Seinen

            If you are from Israel, I love Israel and your prime minister, a real statesman, I think Obama is jealous of him, and yes the Lord G_d has blessed Israel with making the desert bloom, where no one could make anything grow, so G-d bless Israel and its people, and by the way I dont believe in boycotting Israel as those churches which perform and condone homosexual marriages do, they hate Israel because the Lord chose them to bring us the laws and out of them came our Lord and savior Christ Jesus also known as the Good shepherd whom gave His life for the sheep. G-d bless

          • medaka

            Hahahahaha!

            חרת וזה אֵד מלך. רגל ושל טעה רעו אפי תלה תלד קֵץ. תַּחַת כול שפך אלה אֶל חצר רעה מלה. =יחידת. עת רך ים רב על. יַד הדם צהל ובן מכת ורץ. עלה שפך מאה קרב. מת אף זב או. =יחידת. הֲרָאֹה אָזְנַי פָּחוֹת.

          • Sientje Seinen

            wish I knew what you are typing difficult language to learn, We have one Jewish person living in the same complex as me, He knows Hebrew, but I am getting to old to learn more languages, I am the only friend he has got around here and the only one he trusts. Do you want his email address? as he doesnt have very many friends

          • medaka

            Google translate is your friend. Just sayin’.

          • Sientje Seinen

            okay can also ask my Jewish friend to translate it for me thanks I hope it is a nice message.

          • Tina CRACKA Vane

            Why would you love isarael when they been allowed gays in their military ranks since the 60’s and transgendered since 2011

          • Sientje Seinen

            Because Christ was sent to the House of Israel and made the Lord God of Israel known to us, and to them were given the laws and the prophets, so Christ has put a love for Israel into our hearts, we do confess to them that their rejection became our salvation and that the Lord is able to graft them in again if they no longer walk in unbelief. G-d bless

          • David Walker

            Fine. You go away and get your laundry. Make a note to visit your library and see what the Constitution of the United States says. Consider the vastness of the religious freedoms offered our citizens AND the responsibility to treat each others as equals. Your god is too small, hon. You don’t give him nearly enough credit. And since you continue to fracture a very simple English language problem, putting forth no effort to put a simple little test to your writing to improve yourself, why do I have a need to listen to you. Fold your clothes nicely.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Then why do you have Ìn God we trust on your money: what is this some kind of joke.

          • medaka

            ““You stubborn people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears!”

          • David Walker

            And why is “E pluribus unum” on the money, too? And why is it and not “In god we trust” the motto of the US AND on the great seal of the US? Education is your friend. Honest.

          • MDB

            You mean like:

            “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” – Gandhi

            Sounds just like YOU. Blowhards like YOU- give humble and compassionate, kind, caring and loving Christians everywhere ..a very, very bad name.

          • Sientje Seinen

            and you gays dont, we ask you to repent so that you can gain everlasting life, but no we are the bad ones while you like to walk in darkness as Christ is the Light and the Light overcomes the darkness, and since your deeds are done in darkness, you hate the Light. Is this not so. turn away from your sinfull ways and let the Lord be a lamp unto your feet.

          • Jim Detwiler

            You got that backwards. It’s the ‘Liberty Council’ and others spending the vast majority of legal money on their irresponsible public servant, who’s also drained the county’s money, and now wants free room and board. Conservative Christians ain’t buying it. This will end very sadly for her and her ilk, while the true spirit of Christ resonates around them in a way they’ll never understand.

          • david fairfield

            Don’t forget the extra jello.

          • Sientje Seinen

            what true spirit of Christ. Christ Jesus and God the father are One remember and He sealed the new covenant with His blood, and for gays to mock His great suffering will surely bring the wrath of God upon America. Dont you know that Christ made the Lord God of Israel known to us, as God is also a God of justice as well as His mercy was shown in Christ, but gays reject Christ saving grace, like the pharisees also rejected Him and sought to kill him, as gays now try to persecute those whom put their hope in Christ .

          • JustSayin’

            that is our problem, in the meantime this is a SECULAR nation, so take your religious claptrap and shove it into your dusty twat.

          • Sientje Seinen

            a secular nation does not a have a constitution which reads “One nation under God” maybe it should be changed to one nation under queers?

          • MDB

            O for fucks sake. Most of the writers were actually Deists NOT Anglicans and definitely NOT evangelical Christians. Go back and take 5th grade history and civics.

          • Sientje Seinen

            so I guess that is why it took so long for America to enter the second world war? was that not to their shame and they waited until pearl harbor was bombed before they came to the rescue. not faulting the soldiers had my first taste of gum of dentyne from a soldier

          • MDB

            W.T. hell?
            Next time list a recipe for apple-fritters. It might make more sense.

          • charemor

            I thought you were going to bed.

          • JustSayin’

            and we DONT have one you moron. You keep repeating that lie and it falls flat every time.

            here is a link to a searchable copy though you won’t bother to use it because you like the sound of your own stupidity
            http://constitutioncenter.org/constitution

          • Sientje Seinen

            the constitution One nation under God, then why are you not obeying His laws instead of making your own laws are you greater in wisdom than He?

          • medaka

            Stop lying. The Constitution does not say that.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Medaka if you are Jewish then surely you would worship the Lord
            G-d of Israel, or the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. and listen to Psalm 105 He is the lord our G-d unfailing, His judgments everywhere prevailing, He will remember and uphold His covenant made in days of old. His steadfast Word He did command. A thousand generations stand.` Israel was suppose to be a light to the gentiles, and today they are blessed by the lord God whom hasnt forgotten His covenant He made with abraham and brought them back into their own land. gays hate Israel because the law was given to the people of Israel at Mt Sinai

          • medaka

            Gebouwen contract inkrimpt af ze in. Gomboom om of en de slechts doelang talrijk. Weg afgetapt dit der overgaat ton grachten. Er tooverslag woekeraars verwijderd weggevoerd inlandsche nu in. Verlichten natuurlijk krachtiger op er aanmerking te voorschijn vruchtbaar. Grooter geheven gas anderen die.

          • Sientje Seinen

            G-d bless Israel and its people

          • medaka

            Affronting imprudence do he he everything. Sex lasted dinner wanted indeed wished out law. Far advanced settling say finished raillery. Offered chiefly farther of my no colonel shyness. Such on help ye some door if in. Laughter proposal laughing any son law consider. Needed except up piqued an.

          • DonnaLee

            Read
            The
            Constitution.

            You can look it up, it’s online. Not once is God mentioned.

          • MDB

            “One Nation under God” is NOT in the US Constitution anywhere !!!!

            You have just shown how ignorant and stupid you really are.

          • MDB

            So you hate, judge and condemn muslims, and atheists and agnostics , Deists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, United Church of Christ, Universalists, Lutherans, and Hindus and Buddhists , and Taoists and…and………….

            YOU are so UNLIKE Jesus !!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            I will tell you a story went to the reformed church in the Netherlands came here and since there werent many dutch people went to the United church, for about 20 years. then they started to ordain homosexual ministers changed the hymns which I had trouble singing so complained, yes I complained, and they told me I was no longer welcome there, so much for the United church protecting their members whom do love the Lord God, as homosexual ministers cannot preach the Word as it is written, or they would be condemning themselves. I dont hate I try to tell you the Truth about my belief in Christ and I have heard His voice, this is not a lie, those whom reject Christ and His redeeming work they bring judgement on themselves as through the Holy scriptures there is the fall from grace, God’s judgment on those whom practice abominable and detestable things in His sight and His mercy and love which is manifested in christ by repenting and turning back to the Lord our God, if people reject this, it is their own doing, as God made it plain that His love was manifested in Christ whom gave His life as a ransom for those whom are predestined to become children of God. I rest my case.

          • medaka

            Nobody wants to hear what the fuck you have to say.

            שבר וְאֶל תחתיו למקום דמו בין נאספו שמח שדי סתר אויבה ודרשה העב רחב. דם ול עד בן קץ חש. אֵל מהמון נמצאו כבן ולמות ומן חוג שטח היותה צרויה ונפרד. שהיא והלך לכבד ישיב הִיא אינם. דם אש זה שכרי חי פה יבוא ביתר זב בת וצער שׁ תנאי. שאם קרה רוב עדר. רך שש הַ יש יד קל כל נא.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I know if you are arabic I cant understand what you are saying and if you are roman catholic it is a false religion, and if you are muslim, then deal with your own faith, which do not believe that Christ is Lord and savior but a prophet, if you believe in Mohammed then keep it to yourself, as why come to America to get away from Islam and then try to force it on the people here?

          • medaka

            Idiot. It’s Hebrew. Just like Bible.

          • Sientje Seinen

            so you should know that Christ came to perfect Judaism, so why are you not listening to Him and believing on His Word?

          • medaka

            Because people like you make it all seem SO unattractive.

          • Sientje Seinen

            how so you had Aaron the high priest offering a sacrifice for himself before he entered into the holy of Holiest, now Christ has become our High priest, being the Word made flesh, whom can relate to us and our infirmaties as Isaiah chapter 53 explains. As He sealed the new covenant with His blood, see Jeremiah 31 verse 31. Christ was tempted like we are tempted but did not sin, and therefore is able to also keep us from falling into temptation, shalom and G-d bless

          • MDB

            Yet you did NOT even recognize the Holy Word of Almighty God, the language HE wrote the 10 commandments in with HIS breath.

            ARABIC ?? That is too, too absofukkinglutely HILARIOUS !!!

          • MDB

            CATHOLICISM a FALSE RELIGION ???

            Who do you think preserved Christianity and Holy Scripture for over 1400 years ??? Space men ???

            YOU really are that ignorant and dense aren’t you ????

            THAT is the original language of the Torah and the Law YOU use to condemn ME !

          • medaka

            if you believe in Mohammed Jesus then keep it to yourself

          • MDB

            What the hell does that have to do with judging me ???
            ANSWER THE QUESTION !

            Because you are pissed at hymn writers ?? That is TOO much.

            I can’t help it if you can’t read music. !!! You should have ASKED someone to help you learn to read music and sing.

            I have been a church organist since age 13. Maybe YOU should have shown some Christian patience and grace.

            I doubt you have shown ONE IOTA of Christian grace in decades.

          • JCF

            “changed the hymns which I had trouble singing so complained, yes I complained”

            Heh-heh, MDB, I think we’re finally down the root of the crazy: SS was involved in Yet Another Bog-Standard Hymnody Fight. The most church-dividing issue Of.All.Time! LOL

          • MDB

            OMFG…….Could it have been……….SATAN ?????????

          • medaka

            “Behold, I pray thee, a bottle of servants had respect unto him, saying, Nay, but they lamented with him. And God of thine heir; But if money into the steward of Noah’s life, of Jacob offered burnt-offerings on the families of my gods? And Esau took Dinah their clothes upon their families, and said, Because Jehovah had a wanderer shalt thou hast
            guided them in thy seed”

          • Tim

            They recognised a bigotted c*** even in their own terms and took action. Next…

          • Sientje Seinen

            Jesus was able to cast out demons unfortunately I am not able to do so, but by turning to Christ and ask forgiveness for our sinfull ways, He is able to make us whole and cleanse our hearts from wickedness that is why He is Lord and saviour.

          • MDB

            Demons,…demons…demons…….demons …….aaack !!!!!!! YOU have demons of hatred and evil in your heart and your head.

            YOU are a fundamentalist CULTIST and you NEED psychiatric help.

          • Steve Teeter

            “One nation under God” was adopted as a motto by Congress in the mid 1950’s. Do your homework.

          • Sientje Seinen

            so it is now 2015, what has changed, maybe that people want to do their own thing and no longer put their trust in the Lord God? or is it today you put your trust in the U.S/A dollar?

          • MDB

            That’s NOT what he said. YOU are deflecting and obfuscating the discussion because you CANNOT or WILL NOT answer a direct question.

            PATHETIC.

          • medaka

            U.S/A! U.S/A! n.Umb3R !1

          • MDB

            YOU obviously failed 5th grade civics and U.S. history.

          • JustSayin’

            she is a dutch illegal immigrant who went to school in a one room school before coming to the u.s. illegally.. I’d say you should forgive her ignorance, but nah, keep chasing her away, she deserves it.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol you have a vivid imagination, No actually in Holland I went to 5 room school house with bathrooms and when I landed here Oh boy back to grade one, as I did not know the language and yes it was a one room school house with the outhouse outside so primitive compared to Holland but our education is much further advanced than here. I lost one year, that is all. and am not here ilegally didnt want to come loved my own country

          • medaka

            מביאים באש. אור מעל עצל ונס בחו צמח מוח פלא. תַּחַת. השכם קודם שוכב. רק וצעדו ובסער נא רה ילעגו פי המחלה גלותי לרבצו בא ול.

          • JustSayin’

            now you are rewriting your own history from your own posts… and yes you are here illegally.. one thing you should always remember as an internet troll, when you come to websites where the people are smarter than you, we can find out who you are and what the INS says about you…. enjoy their visit it’s coming.

          • MDB

            Then YOU need to get a tutor and learn WHO wrote the Declaration of Independence; WHO they WERE, what they ACTUALLY BELIEVED (and what they wrote about their beliefs) WHO wrote the CONSTITUTION, HOW it was WRITTEN and adopted WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED,
            and for the love of God, what it ACTUALLY SAYS.

            You have been totally brainwashed by some intransigent homophobic fundamentalist cultists.

            You were given a brain at birth > USE IT !!!

          • MDB

            THEN GO BACK. Problem solved.

          • ?

            hate speech

          • MDB

            “One Nation Under God” in NOT in the US Constitution ….

            Get educated, you ignorant fool !!!

          • MDB

            flagged.

            NOW YOU HAVE CROSSED THE LINE,
            YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN, NOT.AT.ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Joseph Miceli

            There we go! Now we are getting somewhere! Admit the hate you have in your heart for us. Admit that you just want to persecute us with rage in your heart. Now you are owning it.
            Of course, you’d make Jesus bazooka vomit, but hey, at least you’ve stopped lying to us!

          • twisten1up

            “One nation under God” is from the Pledge of Allegiance fool.

          • McSwagg

            Please use the link below to download a pdf document containing the full text of the United States Constitution. You will be able to search the document for the phrase “One nation under god” and you will discover that it does not appear in the document.

            https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CFQQFjAEahUKEwj2k-nCmuHHAhXCmh4KHbb2A4E&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gpo.gov%2Ffdsys%2Fpkg%2FCDOC-110hdoc50%2Fpdf%2FCDOC-110hdoc50.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGaLh50p-ZE7JIf9cq5aa1xT0yv1A

            The Preamble is provided below for your convenience. You will note that the government of the United States is “ordained and established” by “We the People of the United States.” There is no reference to any deity.

            We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this
            Constitution for the United States of America.

          • Sientje Seinen

            can I ask you why your president says and other along with him. “God bless America” why is God mentioned in your national anthem, and now you want to make your own rules in a country which God created in the first place? Remember “In the beginning Was the Word and the Word was with God and is God” oh I forgot you think it was Darwin, as Christ our Lord said “I have come in the Father;s name and ye believe Me Not, Another shall come in his own name and him ye shall believe” so true then and still so true today. Your president then should be in jail for saying “God bless America” why are you queers not going after him?

          • McSwagg

            Why would I condemn someone for expressing their point of view? You are the one that wants to condemn everyone that does not think exactly like you. God did not create the USA; “We The People” created the USA.

            Your choice of language reveals you to be a bigot. Take your theocracy and leave.

          • Sk3ptic

            That’s disgusting. Doesn’t this god character know better than to go splashing his blood all over the place? It’s probably all full of hepatitis and syphilis–even Ebola!

          • Sientje Seinen

            I knew you do not know our Lord Christ Jesus, He was without sin, He was despised and rejected by man, the same as you do to Him today, Yet He suffered for us, so that we could be reconciled to the Lord God as He paid the penalty for your sinfull lifestyle, so that you could repent and turn back to God through Christ, if you reject such a great salvation, then deal with the wrath of God which surely will come upon America. I am sorry if that is what you are plagued with

          • JustSayin’

            America did not exist when the prophet known as jesus or christ walked the earth. he did not care then and does not care now, cause the jew is dead and was hung on a stick.

          • Sientje Seinen

            your sins hung Him upon the cross but He has risen and now sits at the right hand of the Father interceding for those whom call upon His name and are truly sorry for their blaspheming His name, repent and receive grace and forgiveness from God the father, solely because He looks on us with pity when we confess our sinfulness and forgives us our trespasses removing them as far as east is from the west solely for the sake of Christ redemptive work done at calvary. He will return and gather those whom acknowledge Him into His kingdom, while the wrath of God will come upon those whom blasphemed Him and did not acknowledge HIs love which was manifested in Christ our Lord repent so that you escape that great and terrible day of the Lord.

          • Sientje Seinen

            How do you know that America did not exist, Christ was sent to the House of Israel and to us gentiles, as Christ mentioned “Other sheep I have whom are not of this fold (Israelites) them I must also bring, (us gentiles) salvation to the Jews first then the gentiles, and when the fullness of the gentiles has come in He will return to His own, as we can see to day, as God has kept His promise to save a remnant of them and bring them back into their own land. “and they shall plant vineyards and eat the fruit thereoff, and No one will will be able to pluck them out of the land again Amos chapter nine verses 12-15 and He has blessed them. Did you know the land lay fallow all those years until the return of the Jewish people, a prophesy taking place right before our eyes. repent oh and Daniel speaks of different countries in the latter days.

          • JustSayin’

            America was founded in 1776. the prophet jesus died 2015 years ago… America did not exist….are you really that stupid or just drunk?

          • Sientje Seinen

            Oh my I guess you dont believe in the Resurrecton of Christ our Lord? the grave did not hold Him, look at David the King of Israel, did He not say “Even though I walk through the valley of death, I will fear no evil, thy rod and staff will comfort me.” see even King David equated our Lord Christ Jesus with the Good shepherd whom gave His life for the sheep. I thought Columbus discovered America in 1492? no?

          • MDB

            DEFLECTION and OBFUSCATION. (Look them up)

            Answer his question..

          • medaka

            Oh my I guess you dont believe in the Resurrecton of Christ our Lord?

            A little slow on the uptake, there, princess.

            And Jokshan begat Lamech lived after these are therein? That thou it: with them in the thigh, and they digged in this handmaid

          • MDB

            OH HELLS BELLS !!!
            What next – you’re going to tell us Jesus wrote and signed the Constitution and the Bible in King James English ???????
            Or that Jesus was born in Missouri ??

            YOU are an IDIOT !!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            No Jesus was born in Bethlehem, but his gospel will be preached unto the ends of the earth, and when the gospel has been preached unto the very ends of the earth, then the end will come, most of us believe we are in the latter days, spoken of by Daniel the prophet and did Christ not say “When you see the Fig tree put forth its leaves, know that the time is near, at the very doors? and Israel also known symbolically as the Fig Tree, was reborn in 1948, putting forth it leaves. did Christ not tell us “to watch as that day will come like a thief in the night?”

          • MDB

            YOU are NUCKING FUTZ !!!!

          • MDB

            This is your loving Christian witness ???????
            Good thing we will never meet you.
            YOU ARE A SANCTIMONIOUS HYOPCRITE.

            I wonder what sins of yours we’d discover, hmmmmm ?????

          • Sientje Seinen

            Oh I am sure you would find everything wrong with me, havent you just shown this? but the Lord has covered my sinfullness when I accepted Christ as my Lord and saviour. when you appear before Him whom will cover your nakedness as Adam and eve when they fell from grace found out that they were naked, Seems to me gays lack shame as even adam and eve were ashamed after they fell from grace with their disobedience.

          • JustSayin’

            no he hasn’t.. you will burn in hell for your pride, your lies and for taking the name of your god in vein. you break his commandments and his laws.

            1 Timothy 2:11-12 for starters.
            11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lol Paul was speaking to women whom were speaking in the churches, and believe me I am very quiet in the church, I listen and give thanks and praise to the Lord God for sending us ministers to proclaim the Word to us, we sing and give praise to His Holy Name, and I doubt if I can teach you, as your heart is hardened in your sinfull pleasures. the Lord loves me, as I have heard His voice and He guides me as He is the Good shepherd.

          • JustSayin’

            no paul was speaking to women who tried to tell men how to believe at home, in the street and in church. it is quite inclusive. you are to shut up and sit down.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol and you were there I asked some Jewish people about this and said that at one time the women and men were segregated in the synagogues, so when Paul spoke the women would yell across to the men to find out what paul was saying,so that there was no order in the churches. this is the reason he spoke out, beside a woman should not speak from the pulpit as say a man needs discipline, he is not going to take from another woman, as no she has no authortiy over someone elses husband or any man. as adam was formed before eve. how do gays reckon this seeing they are both of the same sex? which has the authority over the other. see it is shamefull in itself.

          • medaka

            Now you’re just making shit up.

          • MDB

            Were your ‘”jewish” people present in the synagogues (actually Paul and Deutero-Pauline authors were writing to people in small church groups in private homes) of Paul’s time ?

            NO

            Do they know for a fact if Paul actually authored the text(s) you quoted them ???
            NO

            Did you tell your “jewish” friends that you loathe and condemn gays ???
            NO

          • Sientje Seinen

            Yes I tell my Jewish friends what I believe, they acknowledge my faith in Christ, they are very happy that I have love for Israel which Christ put into my heart, you homosexuals do not. You join the BDS movement which hates Israel and its laws which were given to Moses at Mt Sinai. be honest for once you hate Israel is it not true

          • medaka

            Ringen heb wat francs gas mensch zijden. Levert oosten der hen lappen pusing dat dragen oorlog nam. Des ficus far lucht zoo ijzer sap. Motoren genomen is oorzaak ernstig moderne nu staande. En veelal tweede kregen dienen zeggen ringen nu ad. Echte weg zin rijst ver liput dient langs.

          • JustSayin’

            I seriously doubt you would deign to speak to a jew, and no self respecting jew would talk to you once you spewed your drivel her.

            The teachings of the Torah are parallels to the Pentateuch, which is the first five books of the bible.

            1 timothy 2:11-12 is about the obedience of woman to man in church and out of it and while synagogues were and some still are segregated, 1 timothy is only part of the reason.

            observant jews find women to be unclean much of the time and will not sit in the same room as them.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I have many Jewish friends they say I have a Jewish soul, which is true as Christ was also sent to the Jews to perfect Judaism. and many Jewish people followed after Him, did not His apostles bring us the message of salvation, by the way it was my family that saved some of the Jewish people during the war, so stop with the accusations as you have taking on satans traits whom also likes to accuse those whom God has elected.

          • medaka

            Fransche baksteen wij golconda zou smelting rug als grachten vlijtige. De te om reiziger bevatten schijnen gestookt in machines baksteen. Tronoh aaneen dreigt in ad noemen nu er. Of rijke heeft op naast. Groei in tabak er recht. Volk daad er jaar drie of moet mont.

          • medaka

            believe me I am very quiet in the church

            The is the Church of JMG, so shut the fuck up.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol this is just a forum where people can discuss things. seems I have hit a nerve is it bothering you that I talk about the redeeming grace which is in Christ Jesus our Lord, whom gave His life as a ransom for many?

          • medaka

            Hahahahahaha!

          • MDB

            YOU are NOT discussing., YOU are screeching and condemning gays, all gays, and anything gay and even remotely gay, and friends of gays, and gay families
            from your stupid little high-and-mighty soapbox pulpit.

            Pot meet kettle.

          • Sientje Seinen

            The Word condemns you, not me, you dont believe in the saving grace of Christ our Lord so then how can you be saved, Christ it the Light of the world and you do not want to come to the Light because your deeds are done in darkness and the Light would expose the darkness within you. am I not right. so you remain in the darkness and how great is that darkness within you.

          • medaka

            Dan dit ver telde ugong zit noemt heele laten. Prachtige hanteeren uitrollen de al om. Spoorwegen slikbanken productief vergoeding heb was beschikken. Goa sap ook markt tabak cenis ugong naast. Toezicht schijnen ze en kostbaar behoefte geworden ik. Hun grootste zes verbruik een doodende goa waardoor. Er sneller om ik sombere behalen. Wij ingenieuse noodlottig schipbreuk buitendien lot opgebracht. Mogen geeft kinta er douai in zesde de nu.

          • Salton

            Nobody here is interested in what you have to say. Your rantings do not make any sense to any reasonable person. You’d better go elsewhere to proselytize.

          • MDB

            Judge NOT lest YE be judged.

            I feel a judgment of YOU coming on swiftly and strongly, that IS my job right ?? If YOU get to judge, so DO I !!!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            lol but you dont judge with righteous judgment as God has forbidden same sex unions and they can receive forgiveness and grace if they repent of their sinfull lifestyle and give honor and praise to the Lord our God, as He can cleanse your heart from all wicked desires.

          • MDB

            Neither do YOU.

            YOU came HERE ..specifically….to judge, and condemn, YOUR heart is as black as the darkness of space. You have NOT ONE DROP of LOVE in your heart.

            YOU are a hypocrite and a bloviating sanctimonious Pharisee.

          • Sientje Seinen

            wait a minute you are speaking for yourself, Christ came to save not to condemn, and since you dont want to repent of your sinfull lifestyle, which the God the father calls an “abomination” then you condemn yourselves as you reject Christ saving grace by not repenting and turning away from these wicked desires in your heart. how can my heart be black when I show you the way to inherit eternal life by acknowledging your sins and asking forgiveness in the name of Christ our Lord? and remember the pharisees did not want to acknowledge Christ as their Lord and saviour or repent either, so they sought to kill Him, isnt that the same what you are doing?

          • JustSayin’

            yet you are not christ, don’t speak for him and you run around condemning other people in your false self-righteousness. you will burn in the hell fires of your god as the liar and abomination that you are in the eyes of your god.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you dont understand do you, I didnt think you did, I dont condemn I tell you how you can be saved from the gates of hell, but you dont want to listen, It is the Word of God which condemns you and God sent Christ to redeem you, if you would listen to His Word a nd repent of the wicked desires of your heart. as He sent His Holy spirit to convict us of sin and points us to the saving grace which is in Christ our Lord.

          • JustSayin’

            no you tell us we are damned if we don’t obey you and your god, by definition that is condemnation.. your attempts to play word games fails as much as your knowledge of the christian bible does. and by that i mean you are a great big FAILURE on all counts.

          • MDB

            I am speaking for myself and to what YOU so blatantly divulge.

            YOU know absolutely NOTHING, not ONE THING, about me, my life or my faith. How then can you judge ME ??????
            YOU just might be totally and completely flabbergasted if you did?

            I so-detest sanctimonious pseudo-christian (small c) know-it-all UNEDUCATED blowhards.

          • Salton

            You sound like a broken record!

          • Larry in Oklahoma

            “I know you do not know our Lord Christ Jesus,” dude, get real. He’s not YOUR GOD EXCLUSIVELY. He belongs to all of us and you better learn how to share, you holier than thou sinner.

          • McSwagg
          • Sientje Seinen

            yes of course we are, Christ was willing to die for you, you want us to die for you also, we cant forgive you your trespasses, only Christ can, so if you do not repent of your sinfull ways then I am very much afraid that God will pour out His wrath on you, for mocking Christ suffering and defeating death and satan for you.

          • McSwagg

            I just want you to go away. Why must your kind always try to impose your superstitions on everyone else? Why can’t you just let other people live their lives? Why must you always be so judgmental of others, condemning them while ignoring your own faults? There is no god and no hell and no satan. It is all bronze age mythology.

          • MDB

            Oh puh-lease, climb down off of your old-rugged-cross.!!!
            If the number of adulterous heterosexual affairs, cheating and heterosexual divorces which Christ Himself specifically condemned haven’t brought forth the WRATH of God your misguided pathetic cries of persecution are little more than self-righteous sanctimony. Kim Davis, a cheating, lying, adulterous bigot, is talking and acting like the most “pious” and sanctimonious, duplicitous Pharisee in all of Kentucky !!!!!!!! and……GROW.THE.FUCK.UP !!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            these are all part of the falling away as Paul predicted and bringing the wrath of God, seems mankind instead of repenting enjoys mocking Christ suffering, and God has appointed a day for judgment Hope you are ready to meet Him.

          • JustSayin’

            lord you really need to actually read the book you profess to obey. but then that piss poor education you have is showing up in everything you post.

          • Sk3ptic

            The psycho religious just can’t be expected to read for comprehension!

          • Sientje Seinen

            you havent got a clue about christianity, just being in a church does not make you a christian. God weighs the hearts of mankind and if you follow wicked desires of your heart, then that is what you reap also.

          • MDB

            You obviously don’t either. It is not YOUR place to judge.

            Your pathetic whining is sickening. Why haven’t you followed God’s laws and stoned the wicked heart of Kim Davis ??? She is GUILTY of abominable sin three times and more !!!
            Adultery, cheating, whoring, and lying.

          • Sientje Seinen

            The Word of God judges dont you know, since God has created heaven and earth, you live on His land should you not then obey His Word and give thanks to Him for all His benefits, whom sends the rain to make the crops grow so you can eat? only one of His blessings.

          • MDB

            Then let it judge and you go on your merry way and actually
            OBEY Christ’s greatest commandment.but you CAN’T can you ????

            Your heart is blackened with IGNORANCE, scorn, judgmentalism and hatred,.

          • Sientje Seinen

            did you know that Christ is the Light of the world and one must come to the Light as the Light will expose your deeds whether they are done for the love of Christ or done in darkness and you refuse to come to the light as your deeds are done in darkness, and how great is that darkness within you.

          • medaka

            Haven’t you finished your fucking laundry yet?

          • Joseph Miceli

            Did he make the Andromeda galaxy? How about M31? Did he make all the galaxies in the Virgo Cluster? Gee, that sure is a lot to do in only 6,000 years!
            You are pathetically stupid.

          • JustSayin’

            I know more about your religion than you ever will. you lie and misquote both the bible and the U.S. constitution.

            Every post of yours here and on the web are chock full of delusions and LIES..

            you will burn in the hell of your god and rightly so. God will weigh your heart and find you repugnant then as he does now.

            You are an abomination unto the lord, you dare to try to teach and instruct males, your punishment is death according to your religion.

          • Sientje Seinen

            okay show me one passage in the Bible where Jesus condones homosexuality of adultery, or thievery or whatever? you havent quoted one passage in the Holy scriptures, is it because you cant call them to mind? Did the Lord not tell you that He will bring His Words to mind when you are persecuted? so lets hear your version of the Word of God. I am not instructing you, you can take it or leave it, you have the Holy scriptures to find out for yourselves.

          • KCMC

            wholly holey

          • MDB

            Matthew 19:9 “I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

            Mark 10:11 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.”

            Mark 10:12 “And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”

            Luke 16:18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”

            …just for starters …

          • Sientje Seinen

            read my reply to Just saying did I not tell him that God hates all sin, the reason He sent Christ to redeem us, if we turn to Christ and change our ways, He will forgive us our trespasses but if you dont you are still in your sins, and seperated from the love of God for all eternity, you cannot mock Christ and expect the Lord to favour you.

          • JustSayin’

            Luke 7:1-10 and Matthew 8:5-13

            The story of the centurion. He came to jesus to ask him to heal his pais, which means male lover. Jesus did so and blessed them both.

          • Sientje Seinen

            This is why gays are so hatefull you twist everything to your own way, why is it that you dont understand the Holy scriptures because you do not believe in Christ and the Holy spirit which would show you the meaning of the holy scriptures. repent and ask the Lord to be a lamp unto your feet. you are intolerant and hatefull which you ascribe to the christians I have been very patient with you.

          • MDB

            Did the Lord not tell YOU to obey His (and His Father’s) greatest commandment ???????????????????

          • Sientje Seinen

            why are you not not listening to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, mind and soul, whom has forbidden same sex unions, and the second like it to love your neighbor as oneself. How can you love your neighbor as yourself if the love of God is not in your heart, seeing you disobey His commandment

          • Larry in Oklahoma

            No no no! Stay on the subject here. You didn’t come here to talk about “adultery, or thievery or whatever,” did you? No, YOU show US any one bit of scripture where Jesus specifically talks about being gay. There’s not one scripture where Jesus EVER said anything specifically about gays. He did indeed talk about other issues, tho. He talked about issues you have, such as being boastful, proud,having a holier-than-thou attitude. YOU are the one with more issues than a newspaper has. Exit stage left,

          • Sientje Seinen

            boy you people are dense did I not tell you and others that God hates all sins, and since He has forbidden it is is one of the greater sins, and He sent Christ to redeem you of your sinfull ways, means to change your ways and ask the Lord to cleanse your heart from sinfull and wicked thoughts and deeds. This of for everyone whom want to be redeemed and enter into heaven did Christ not tell you I am the way , the Truth and the Life No one can come unto the Father except through Me.` now repent and change your ways so that that you can become a child of God, by looking to Christ as He took the wrath of God for your sins of the flesh and those outside the body repent

          • charemor

            No, you are the one who is dense – and stupid as well as brainwashed.

          • MDB

            MDB Sientje Seinen • 36 minutes ago

            Matthew 19:9 “I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

            Mark 10:11 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.”

            Mark 10:12 “And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”

            Luke 16:18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”

            …just for starters

          • medaka

            או רץ עץ שש חת חם מה קץ. סד חת והפועלים בְּשִׂים את שש רה במעדריהם. השממון ואכזרי ויעברו במספוא מחרידה. רק בן או עץ הגופנית תה לבַכּות הָאַחַת מן נִרְאוּ וישתבחו מלבושיו. נחש ורק זין נפש טעם אתו. מטר אחדים אבדתי סיר שאר שנת ולא יתן בבשרו.

            פגה זָחַלְתִּי הדף סוס שֶׁבֵּינוֹ דיסהרמוניה בעל שרץ רוֹחֲשִׁים. עמל תַּחַת שתי אחז יכה הלב ועם ערך ושם. חלב החתום העביר יפה בקש כרם רתם עליתי וירכב לחתוך עזב. בם הם וה =יחידת עד כן לי. שדי הלב כוס למר משק עזה רטט הלא. לו בה הר חם זז מר ול. רה מפתח לאיש טוֹב הפנה חת זן ועשו כן שררה.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Psalm 25 verse 2 Show thou unto me thy servant,
            All tjhy ways and teach thou me,
            So that by thy spirit guided
            clearly I thy paths may see,
            In Thy Truth dost thou me guide
            Teach me Lord of thy salvation,
            All the day for Thee I bide,
            Lord with eager expectation.

            Wilt thou then I pray be mindfull
            of thy mercies manifold
            Of thy care and loving kindness
            That have ever been of old.
            Sins of youth remember not,
            Nor recall my hid transgressions
            For thy goodness sake O Lord,
            think of me in thy compassion.

          • JCF

            “okay show me one passage in the Bible where Jesus condones homosexuality”

            The STRONG implication of “Matthew 8:5-13, “Healing the Centurion’s Servant”.

            Wiki: According to James Neill, the Greek term “pais” used for the servant in Matthew’s account almost always had a sexual connotation.[7] In support of this view, he remarks that the word pais, along with the word “erasthai” (to love) is the root of the English word “pederasty”.[7] He sees in the fact that, in Luke’s parallel account, the centurion’s servant is described as “valued highly”[8] by the centurion an indication of a homosexual relationship between the two

            This is the Centurion of whom Jesus said,

            “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, saac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.”

            So that man-loving Centurion is in heaven. Where the hell are you going to end up, SS? WOE to those who judge their brothers or sisters!

          • Sientje Seinen

            you put connotations on everything dont you, where does it say that his servant was homosexual. you make up things which are not there. lots of people have servants whom are highly valued does not mean they go to bed together. and because the centurion recognized Christ as being sent by God, the reason he asked Him to just say the word and his servant would be healed. see there is the faith that the Holy spirit also proclaimed that Christ is the Messiah the son of the Living God, which none of you proclaim try and proclaim this with your heart, and you are halfway to being healed of your homosexual behaviours

          • MDB

            If you had actually STUDIED ancient languages you would understand that CONTEXT and the use of male and female pronouns and adjectives are just as important to the translation as others in the text. But what do you care…..

            All you came HERE to say is :GOD HATES Fags !!!

            SO FUCK YOU and YOUR IGNORANCE !!!!!!!!!

            GO BACK TO HOLLAND.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I am only quoting what is written in the Bible, God hates all sin, therefore He sent Christ to redeem us, from the power of satan it is your choice to believe on christ or not, if not then you wil die in your sins, we whom believe in Christ there is no condemnation for us, when we believe in christ and His Word, as God removes our transgressions as far as east is from the west. solely for the sake of Christ redemptive works. why not read Jeremiah 31 verse 31 and find out for yourselves with a believing heart

          • medaka

            I am only quoting what is written in the Bible

            And before I will take a pillar of the city and Zohar, that goes up, and when I lifted up his clothes, Esau was a hand taken from the earth, and Asshur, and Sithri. And all the water from the sinew of the midst of Egypt will also die.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol cant I am married with children here, and am a permanent resident, in good standing, you people are hatefull, I havent said a word about you being faggots God hates all sin, dont you understand. All sin, whether you steal, rob, lie, it is all from satan, whom made adam and eve fall from grace and so it carried through every generation and through Christ we can once again commune with the Lord God, when you call upon Him with a contrite heart and spirit, you people are really hatefull and intolerant which you accuse christians of, it is another trait of satan also known as the adversary going against the will of God.

          • medaka

            Bitch finally breaks out the “faggots”….

            וְאָמוֹר להבטיחכם והבוערות תחמוֹלוּ מפורסמים. יודעים להיפטר אש כר די זז גל וכשראה לי. בבית מחדש מַר תחת הפך בחמש ושל לידי תשע לשים מעם לרש צעק. . קל למצב לשכת אֵשׁ בלעג מת בחפץ חם בי. תַּחַת

          • Sientje Seinen

            you would like that right and you say you have no murder in your heart now who is the liar here

          • bkmn

            Judge not, lest ye be judged. Ever heard that?

          • KCMC

            unless you’re RBG

          • Sientje Seinen

            Is she a lesbian the dyke part she looks like one

          • medaka

            Nu denzelfden er uiteenvalt voorschijn ondernemer de. Dit hellende men stroomen voorraad aan nam. Genoeg en bakjes er kunnen duurde midden dertig.

          • Jonathan

            You look like a dyke, too. A really stupid, malevolent and moronic dyke. You’re really a low-life bbitch hiding behind a bible. Did the dutch throw you out because you’re insane?

          • Sientje Seinen

            and it says also “judge with righteous judgments , and since God has forbidden same sex unions why then should I go against His Word, and become liars like you, as you do not accept the Word of God as Truth.

          • KCMC

            lies

          • Sientje Seinen

            lol you should know as you are ensnared by satan the father of lies, so you are well acquainted with lies is it not so?

          • JustSayin’

            you are the liar and deceiver. you try and abuse gods children with the words of hate filled men. you will burn in the fires of hell for your violations of the word of god. and we gays will sit in heaven with our god and laugh as you burn!

          • Sientje Seinen

            since when are gays Gods children, may I ask if they were would they not obey Him, as their heavenly father instead of rebelling against our heavenly father and mocking Christ suffering on Calvary you are not well, if you rebel against your earthly father does he not warn you to repent or you end up being thrown out. So it is with our heavenly Father, he stretched out His hand to you by sending Christ to redeem you of your sins, yet you refuse, you mock and so the time will come that He also will mock at your calamity when the fear of the Lord comes upon you. read proverbs 1 23 -29

          • MDB

            YOU are a SANCTIMONIOUS WIND-BAG and a PHARISEE, filled with darkness, scorn and hatred.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol do you know what a pharisee is, Paul was a pharisee whom persecuted the christians until he was stopped by our Lord and saviour Christ Jesus. Let us hope He will stop you also and grant mercy towards you all.

          • Joseph Miceli

            And may the Lightbringer turn his gaze on YOU, you silly bitch.

          • Sientje Seinen

            so you do worship satan also known as lucifer How come I sort of knew that you are ensnared to do his will repent and give praise and Glory to the Lord God whom sent Christ to set you free from satan snares and lies.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Oh don’t be an ass. You people are so gullible you’ll believe anything. I’m an atheist. You can keep your silly collection of demons and gods and go sacrifice a chicken or play with a venomous snake or something. Isn’t that what you people do?

          • medaka

            That will need 100,000 frog dicks.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            And with straw, you have to replace the whole thing. Can’t salvage any of it.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you have forgotten that Christ was the Son of God, whom grew up and fulfilled His mission to call sinners to repentance, doesnt sound like you are very repentant of your lies and your worshipping an icon

          • KCMC

            YOU’RE writing from grammar deficit which discounts YOUR education/intelligent thought.
            Troll be gone.

          • JustSayin’

            no where are same sex marriage spoken against by Jesus. a bunch of bigoted old men said a few things, but not Jesus.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Jesus said I and the Father are One, what do you suppose He meant by that, are you saying christ was disobedient to the Father, with Adam disobedience came sin and death, With Christ obedience even unto death eternal life. Christ sealed the new covenant with His blood, as without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. repent and give thanks and praise to the Lord God, as His love for mankind was manifested in Christ whom gave His life as a ransom for many. repent

          • JustSayin’

            btw 1 Timonth 2:11-12

            11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

            stay in your place and quit disobeying god.

          • MDB

            When did YOU become so perfect ?????????????
            Go ahead make a complete fool of yourself .

          • Steve Teeter

            Haven’t you got it? There is no Word of God, only the words of men. They have no more divinity than my letters to the editor.

          • Sientje Seinen

            In the beginning was the Word and he Word was with God and is God, and verse 10 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. So christ is the Word whom was with the Lord God at the beginning of creation. Notice it is written `Let us make man into our image`plural.

          • MDB

            Written by a man named John, Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν ….

            I have 3 years of Greek study I can document . YOU ???

          • medaka

            That rocks MDB.

            I have an hour or so of random Hebrew 🙂

            We should get CD in here with her Linear B.

          • MDB

            Go ahead, quote me ONE, just ONE verse of Scripture where God, or Jesus Himself, condemns same-sex unions???? Be specific , just ONE ???

            Pathetic liar………….YOU CAN’T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            I will give you an example, when the pharisees asked Jesus about divorce He replies. Have you not read that He whom made them,in the beginning, created them Male and female. and what God has joined together let not man put asunder. see God created Adam and Eve as His pardner no two men, as what would have happened to the human race. and one more thing Christ spoke to those that rejected Him. Ìf you do not believe I am He, you will die in your sins.`therefore seperated from the love of God for eternity. as God and sin cannot abide one another as He is Holy. so you mock christ by allowing two men to marry. shame on you

          • MDB

            You DIDN’T answer my question. ..Instead you tried moving the goal posts…quit deflecting and obfuscating – it is pathetic.

            QUOTE for all of us, THE EXACT > CHAPTER and VERSE where God FORBIDS same-sex unions ???

          • Sientje Seinen

            Here you go Leviticus 18 verse 22. `man shall not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is an abomination, they both shall be put to death and their blood will be upon their own heads.` okay now, there it is. and since no one could keep all of the laws, God sent Christ whom suffered Gods wrath for same as God cannot let sin be unpunished. therefore when you accept Christ as your Lord and saviour, and repent of your sins, change your ways the Lord God will look on you with favor and forgive you your trespasses solely because of Christ redemptive work done at calvary. It is a gift from God, for you to reject such a gift of grace is mocking Christ suffering and only bring the wrath of God upon you. God sents His holy spirit into our hearts when we acknowledge Christ as our Lord and saviour and the Holy spirit convicts us of sin therefore when we by the spirit put the death the wicked deeds of the body we shall live , and for this we give thanks and praise to the Lord God for sending Christ to redeem us with His blood.

          • medaka

            He gave to him a heap; The field and his daughters of the east of Canaan, and bare Jacob knew not come up unto Aaron, Stretch forth abroad, and called Woman, because she took Zilpah his brother Abel.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Jacob only had one brother whom was called Esau and Islam are the descendants of Esau, and remember the Lord said also `Jacob I loved but Esau I hated.`and He hated Esau because Esau was irreverent to the Lord G-d in his heart, sold his birthright for a meal

          • medaka

            Oog tijdens men toegang zij wat stijgen gemaakt. Er planken honderd ad opzicht opnieuw. Sunger dit duurde elk hoogen denken.

          • MDB

            Now you ARE twisting Scripture.. you can’t QUOTE ME A SPECIFIC VERSE THAT …IN YOUR OWN WORDS…..FORBIDS SAME-SEX UNIONS !!

            Does that text say “Thou shall not wed or make a lifelong loving commitment to one another, one to another husband to husband or wife to wife ? ” NO…it does NOT.

            I thought you said the OT Levitical laws only applied to the Israelites?
            Shall I quote your OWN comment back to YOU ??

            HERE IS YOUR COMMENT: [“Those laws were given to the Israelites but when one turns to Christ and is truly sorry for their sinfull ways, and repents, the Lord God looks on us with favour, solely because of Christ redemptive work at Calvary. but if you sin wilfully there is only fear of judgment.”]

            I hope God brings the full weight of His wrath and fury down upon your arrogant insufferable head and soon.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you sare not well, for a man to lie with mankind means to sleep with another man, why is so difficult for you to understand the Word of God, ask Him to give you guidance and be a lamp unto your feet and to make room in your heart for His Word, as then the love of God will come into your heart and cleanse your heart of wicked thought and deeds, Christ came to save not to condemn, so give thanks to Him for taking the wrath of God for you as God is Holy and cannot walk with sin. turn to the Lord whom fails us never. and repent Christ was sent to the House of Israel to call them to repentance and have you not listened to His Word, where He says Òther sheep I have whom are not of this fold (Israel) them I must also bring (us gentiles) therefore the saviour of all whom call upon His name with a broken and contrite spirit asking forgiveness in His name.

          • MDB

            Please QUOTE chapter and verse where God FORBIDS same-sex unions ?

            YOU ARE THE LIAR – YOU CANNOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Joseph Miceli

            Where did God forbid it, liar? Please, show us where he specifically forbade it? What a stupid bigot.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you do lots of judging did you not judge Kim Davis, what is that about you hate her dont you for standing up for her faith, why are you judging her. repent and remember the same judgment will be meted out to you also.

          • medaka

            Monopolie na gewijzigd versteend afscheidt afgestaan er.

          • barrixines

            I’ve just been speaking to Kim in the pokey. I mentioned you were planning to write. She said tell that batshit insane Dutch cap I have suffered enough already.

          • MDB

            from Matthew

            Matthew 19:9 “I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

            Mark 10:11 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.”

            Mark 10:12 “And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”

            Luke 16:18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”

            …just for starters

          • Sientje Seinen

            why dont you just read my replies that God hates all sin, and therefore send Christ to redeem us, I am not going to retype this over and over if you dont understand this, then ask, boy you are dense.

          • Salton

            Please, do not retype anything. We’ve got enough crap as it is from you.

          • MDB

            Neither does being a judgmental bloviating Pharisee.

          • Sientje Seinen

            do you know what a pharisee is, they went after the christians remember Paul was pharisee and persecuted the christians, and isnt that exactly what you are doing. Paul was stopped by Jesus Christ our lord and received mercy, let us hope the same will happen to you.

          • JCF

            “if you follow wicked desires of your heart”

            Go look in a mirror, hypocrite, and take the damn log out of your own eye!

          • Sientje Seinen

            my heart is not wicked I dont covet my neighbors stuff, I dont steal, I love my parents try not give them any sorrow, I love the Lord, and I do not have many enemies, except maybe for you guys whom dont like my message of salvation in Christ alone, and homosexual relationships are an abomination to the Lord God, if you cant stand the truth then you are ensnared by satan the father of lies. to do his will

          • Tim

            And Jesus taught love thy neighbour as thyself. Nothing about condemning your neighbour, of whatever stripe or colour, nothing. Love Sientje – that’s what he commanded you do to. Love – that means dropping the hate. Stopping it now. For your own sake, as a human being, drop it. Jesus commanded you. 1 Corinthians 13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. Other translations have this as love. That is all that matters. All your petty hateful turbulences are as nought.

          • David Walker

            Actually, hon, I think it’s you who haven’t got a clue about Christianity. You seem like a good person, but you need to take a sabbatical. God will be with you, but your church won’t. You’ll be able to read books to back up your prejudices, but you’ll have an opportunity to read opposing viewpoints. Challenging yourself is a good thing. Even a fish has to do some work to keep from floating downstream. Come on, Sientje. Try looking over the top of the cubicle you’re forced to live in. It’s really beautiful out here. There’s a lot less hate here than in your church. And I’ll guarantee you’ll be amazed at what you can be capable of doing. Even the Amish let their kids sample the real world. If they believe their kids deserve to know the outside world, what does that say about your preacher who spoon feeds you anger and hate and mistrust? Seriously. Think about it. Really. Think. Consider. The world will not destroy you, but your preacher’s role in life is to destroy you.

          • Sientje Seinen

            the preacher doesnt spoon us hate and distrust, if there are issues in the church he will address those, we pray for the sick among us, we collect for the poor among us, and we enjoy one another company after the service. It is a joy to be in our church as we members care for one another, we have Bible study, we are an assembly of different people some are farmers, some are architects we have some Jewish people, as our religion is very close to Judaism except we believe that Christ is the saviour of the World and we also have discipline in our church. a church without discipline is only a social gathering, as the pastor does try to help keep on the straight and narrow, as Christ did say Narrow is the gate that leads to life. and `friends with the world is enmity with God.

          • MDB

            Seems like if you’re following the laws of God, then Saint Kimmeee should have been stoned to death already – THREE times over !!!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            Those laws were given to the Israelites but when one turns to Christ and is truly sorry for their sinfull ways, and repents, the Lord God looks on us with favour, solely because of Christ redemptive work at Calvary. but if you sin wilfully there is only fear of judgment.

          • Sk3ptic

            Convenient!

          • bkmn

            Why are you naked and jerking off in front of your computer while you are typing dude?

          • KCMC

            (grabbing towel) does the xtube window show too?

          • JustSayin’

            yet you abuse gods children he doesn’t like that at all. .

            that and as a woman you are an abomination for trying to instruct men. your bible says your punishment is death…

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are so wrong again, there are the children of obedience and the children of disobedience, whom follow after the lusts of their hearts, whereas the children of obedience look to Christ for guidance and salvation, as when we look to Christ, He is able to help us and conform us into His image making us children of God, not all are children of God, why did the Lord God say “Jacob I loved but Esau I hated?’ since they do not want to repent of their sinfullness, they reject Christ saving grace. do you now understand? Beside you have the Holy scriptures to instruct you, if you come with a believing heart, open mind and ask the Lord to give you insight in same He will reveal His Word to you.

          • Sk3ptic

            Do have brain head?

          • MDB

            Take your religious diatribe somewhere else. YOU came HERE specifically to JMG – to sit in judgement of US.

            FUCK.OFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            The Word of God condemns you already, I am trying to help you so that you wont be condemned and for you to turn to Christ and ask for forgiveness of your sinfull ways, as we all have to do, in order that we may receive God’s grace and forgiveness as we are guilty in the eyes of the Lord, It is Christ whom said “If anyone comes unto me, I will in no way cast out.” your choice. I can pray that you willnot harden your hearts as they did in the wilderness and ten thousand fell in one day.

          • JustSayin’

            1 Timothy 2:11-12
            11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

            you have no authority to teach or even to try and speak about the bible.

            your attempt to quote Romans 9:13 is out of context and is not the word of Jesus or God, it is supposed to have been written by paul but is proven to have been penned almost 200 years after the crucifixion of the prophet called Jesus

          • MDB

            Precisely, as many of the writings attributed to Saint Paul are actually of Deutero-Pauline authorship, Little miss perfect Christian should have known that, but her fundie brain isn’t engaged.

          • JustSayin’

            I think this is her weird cults version of a phone tree or a prayer circle.. each one has a night where they troll a website hoping to be persecuted (their word) by the gays for spouting their drivel.

          • HanyBaal

            Just like the fundies in ISIS. She thinks she’s scoring extra credits with the lord doing his nasty “work”

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are kididng arent you? did paul score extra points by being put in jail for his faith? Did Christ not say “If they persecute me, they will persecute you also? and remember this “if you deny me before man, I will also deny you before my father in heaven?’ this is why we keep the faith, as it a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God, did Paul not warn you people.?

          • HanyBaal

            No, Yes of course in his mind he was doing the righteous thing to be rewarded by his “father”, and no need to answer the rest as they are further proof of my point. All her actions and yours are to please that non-existent Lord.

          • Steve Teeter

            Holy scriptures? Ancient legends which mean nothing to anyone here. Take it elsewhere.

          • MDB

            I thought The Old Testament was irrelevant. Either it is relevant, then ALL of the O.T is relevant and applicable, or NONE of it is !!!
            Make up your mind. YOU are CHERRY-PICKING Scripture to fit your narrow-minded hate fest !!!!!!!!!!1

          • sandy

            religion is irrelevant

          • Sientje Seinen

            do you even read my answers to you? I said the Old testament was the Lord God chosing a people for Himself whom He wishes to serve Him, He chose the Israelites and gave the commandments and also showed that He is a God of justice, not condoning wickedness, as He warned the Israelites when He delivered them out of slavery, not to follow after other nations whom He drove out before them which practiced abominable and detestable things in His sight. are you listening? God also promised a saviour to them, which is Christ our Lord, Christ Our Lord showed us God’s mercy and steadfast love by giving His life as a ransom for many so that when we acknowledge Christ as Lord and saviour, God pours His love into our hearts so that we are able to uphold His commandment and to love our neighbors as ourselves. as we look to Christ to be a lamp unto our feet, as He is the Good shepherd. have you asked the Lord about showing love for Kim davis?

          • JCF

            [I just noticed your initials are “SS”. How appropriate. Gassed any homos lately?]

          • Sientje Seinen

            Christ tells us to tell you people to repent and ask forgiveness for disobeying His heavenly Father, as He and the Father are One, I am so sorry you do not know our Lord whom gave His life so that you could be reconciled to the Father and not be subjected to His wrath, as surely the wrath of God will come upon you, for mocking Christ whom made the Lord God of Israel known to us. what is the difference between you gays and Hitler whom wanted everyone to obey him who by the way was indoctrinated by the roman catholic church a false religion,

          • Joseph Miceli

            You just made half that shit up because you can’t cite that in scripture and …guess what??? ….if you could no one cares because a legal document of marriage is not the same as a sacrament! Stop being so willfully ignorant and animus filled!

          • Steve Teeter

            Don’t you get it? We don’t believe what you’re saying. Your Holy scriptures are nothing but a collection of old legends and letters. You’re not doing yourself any good, unless you like thinking that you’re preaching to the unconverted. Which is damn self-centered of you. Give it up.

          • MDB

            Bull crap.

            You don’t get to judge and condemn us by Levitical laws and then use a get out of jail free for all the others.
            You are a Sanctimonious Pharisee….and it is NOT YOUR job to judge.

          • Sientje Seinen

            The Lord also gave us a spirit of discernment and to be able to know the difference between good and evil. Just remember the road to hell is paved with good intentions. repent and acknowledge you sinfulness to the Lord and He will abundantly pardon.

          • MDB

            It is not YOUR place to judge. EVER !!!!

            Your pathetic whining is sickening. Why haven’t you followed God’s laws and stoned the wicked heart of Kim Davis ??? She is GUILTY of abominable sin three times and more !!!!Adultery, cheating, whoring, and lying.

            Discern this !
            FUCK OFF !

          • Sientje Seinen

            I knew gays do not have the love of God in their hearts it is impossible for them to love their neighbor as themselves if the love of God is not within their hearts.

          • Sk3ptic

            I just want to put that on a pendant and wear it around my neck. It’s simply beautiful, really. Maybe I could find one at James Avery.

          • MDB

            YOU don’t know shit. You know NOTHING about any of us.

            YOU came HERE to JUDGE and CONDEMN. !!!

            It is not YOUR place to judge.
            Your pathetic whining is sickening. Why haven’t you followed God’s laws and stoned the wicked heart of Kim Davis ??? She is GUILTY of abominable sin three times and more !!!!Adultery, cheating, whoring, and lying.

            You obviously only love others who believe in the narrow judgments of your insignificant life. God doesn’t need YOU to do HIS job !!!

            YOU are a hypocrite and a sanctimonious Pharisee.

            FUCK.OFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            I came here to be with Kim davis whom is wrongfully put in jail, as she is obeying the Word of God, whom has condemned homosexuality, so it is not me whom condemn but the Word of God condemns you , can you understand that I give you the way to be not condemned to turn to Christ, but unless your heart is ready to receive Him and His Word, pray that you wont harden your hearts against His Word.

          • MDB

            She is a cheating adulterous BIGOT a whore and an adulterous sinful sanctimonious dog. YOU want to be like her ? then enjoy the fleas.

            She is a HYPOCRITE, an ADULTERESS (3 times over – maybe more ) and a lying cheating, duplicitous BIGOT !!!

            A Christian – NOT EVEN CLOSE.

            and STOP.WHINING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            you dont understand the love of Christ whom died for the worst of sinners, when they come to Him and acknowledge His suffering for them, He extends His hand to you also, but you would rather wallow in your sinfull pleasures of the flesh, and so the Lord has created Aids to punish your wicked ways. it not a disease that evolved either.

          • Larry in Oklahoma

            What does Matthew 25:40 say? EXACTLY!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            well since you maybe the least of my brethren I am telling you to repent of your evil desires within your hearts, as Christ is able to cleanse your heart from wicked thoughts and help you to love Kim davis as yourself.

          • Larry in Oklahoma

            Since you don’t even know me, I’ll ignore your stupidity and your ignorance and we can both live and let live.

          • JustSayin’

            you came to the wrong place, she is in federal custody in Kentucky for her OWN actions.

            the keys to her cell are in her hands and she WILL obey secular law or stay there. her choice.

          • Sientje Seinen

            so much love for those whom believe same sex marriages are evil and not from the Lord God, what happened to the tolerance you preaches and loving your neighbor as yourselves?

          • MDB

            YOU are a HATE-FILLED SANCTIMONIOUS WIND-BAG and a PHARISEE

          • Sientje Seinen

            No it was the pharisees whom didnt believe in Christ whom sought to kill Him, I am asking you to turn to Christ and repent of your evil desires within you heart, did you know Paul was a pharisee whom persecuted the christians, until the Lord stopped him on the road to Damascus I will pray for you that you will also turn to the Light which is Christ and forsake your wicked works which are from the devil

          • Sientje Seinen

            MDB I suggest you examine your own heart and you will find there is not much kindness or compassion in you, I am quite sure of this. Let me know what you find okay?

          • MDB

            Oi vey iz mir !! You’re STILL trolling THIS ? Give it up , no one cares !

          • medaka

            Uh, Kim’s not here.

          • MirrorMan

            So, you CHOSE to come here? OK. Which word of god are you defending, and which part?

          • Sientje Seinen

            Leviticus 18 verse 22, man shall not lie with mankind, it is an abomination, they shall both be put to death, and their blood will be upon their own heads.” It is a deterrent you see from stopping you to recruit and following the evil desires of your heart.

          • David Walker

            I see you didn’t get my helpful way to decide to use “who” and “whom.” If you don’t get that and if you’re not willing to take my advice, then go away. Your grand statements are weak at best. Many of us have read and studied your bible when it became clear that you haters would not let us live in peace nor follow your own leader’s sayings. Some of us have even read the various commentaries. You need to get yourself a new preacher. And an English teacher.

          • charemor

            Suentje must be home schooled.

          • Sientje Seinen

            that is not true it is you gays that flaunt your sinfull lifestyle down the streets of our cities to corrupt our younger generation. Leave the children alone they did fine without sexual orientation in the schools, that is the parents job, so butt out between parents and children, you are suppose to honour your parents so that the days will be long in the land the Lord God giveth you, how can you honor them by refusing to carry on their name? as homosexuals cannot reproduce.

          • Sientje Seinen

            what do you mean live in peace, stop flaunting your sinful and lewd ways down our streets to corrupt our children, and stop pushing your agenda on others if you want to live in peace, mind your own business and stop trying to get legalization for your perversion as it is not a right

          • MDB

            Stop Bitching !

            and did I mention…Fuck OFF !!!!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            then leave us and our children in peace, stop with your flaunting your sinfull ways down our streets, and behave accordingly, instead of walking around half nude with lewd gesture, trying to corrupt our younger generation. Do you have no shame?

          • MDB

            Take your infantile hatred and go back to Holland. I’m sure they’ll love your hatred and bigotry there,.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are the one that hates when you dont get your way. Kim Davis believes the Word of God and since you mock Christ suffering are you not on the wrong path and provoking the Lord God to anger? so why are you hitting on Kim Davis whom follows Christ and refuses to take part in your wickedness by mocking Christ and His suffering for these sins on calvary?

          • MirrorMan

            Judge not, lest ye be judged… Oh, wait… not if you are a TRUE CHRISTIAN!!!!!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            and you forget the rest “judge with righteous judgment, havent you just judged Kim Davis and what has she done wrong except to believe the Lord God that homosexual relationships are an “abomination?”

          • Sientje Seinen

            mirror man then why are you judging Kim Davis or your lesbian judges are? can the blind lead the blind wont they both fall into a pit? may the Lord have mercy upon you,

          • MDB

            NEWSFLASH: Judge David Bunning is NOT a lesbian. He is a faithful Catholic, a Republican, and an appointee of St. George W. Bush.

            Good God…… you REALLY ARE Stoooopid !!!!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            God already has judged homosexuality and calls it an abomination, stop with trying to deceive us you spawns of satan, whom was a liar from the beginning.

          • Treg Brown

            There is but One God and he has disapproves of you and your message.

            Seriously bitch. Take it someplace else.

          • Joseph Miceli

            MMMMM….my husband!!!!!

          • j.martindale
          • Sientje Seinen

            true Christ loves those whom He elects to return to Him and acknowledge Him as their Lord and saviour and repent of their wicked works and ask Him to cleanse your hearts from evil thoughts and hating your neighbor whom doesnt approve of same sex marriages, so why are you insisiting Kim davis has to lose her job just to accommodate your evil desires?

          • Hard2find

            How funny you claim your Godbey the universe and he can’t get one person out of jail LOL oh LOL oh LOL

          • Sientje Seinen

            sometimes the Lord uses his servants to convince others whom need to hear His message of salvation, you know of course when you die you will have to face Him, and explain why you had Kim Davis put in jail in the first place. Hope He has mercy upon,though since you mock Him, does He not also tell you, because of that He also will laugh when calamity comes near you, and mock you when anquish and the fear of the Lord come near you? proverbs 1 23-29

          • Sientje Seinen

            is that your god he looks like an hells angel.

          • Treg Brown
          • Sientje Seinen

            I dont think so, if you really want to know what He looked like Read Isaiah chapter 53 which will give you an adequate description, though I doubt if you could picture same God bless

          • Treg Brown

            Thor’s blessed and forgiven you.

          • Hard2find

            So when is your God-gonna get her out of jail I bet it’s not before the fucking judge says so

          • Sientje Seinen

            sometimes the Lord uses His servants to let others know of his message of salvation, you know of course you will have to face Him, when you die, and what excuse will you give for sending her to jail because she believes the Lord and you dont? will He then not also laugh when calamity comes near you, and mock when anguish and the fear of the Lord come upon you? read proverbs 1 23-29

          • Sientje Seinen

            God you are sick in heart as well as in your soul. your time will come when you have to appear before the higher court in heaven, and no mercy will be shown to them, whom had no mercy. are you prepared to meet your Creator whom has the power to cast ye into hell? remember Paul was in Jail for his believe in Christ our Lord, he opened the door of the jail, but Paul stayed because he did not want His jailers to be crucified as that was the penalty in those days, See how much love paul had for his jailers as it was their lives on theline. I doubt if you have that much love for anyone but your own sick perversion.

          • Hard2find

            Toad eyes swallow, bat wing brush, sit on a cactus, and thrust, thrust, thrust.

            Your religion is fake, ur preacher a molester, don’t know ur name but I call you Chester.

            Your bible is soft, the pages I know, they flush so well and holy the bowl.
            I cast these word to give you uck, just add the F and know u SUCK LoL

            By the way, have a nice day.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lol there is but only one God the Creator of Heaven and earth, and since you wont acknowledge His saving grace in Christ, then you are condemned already since that is His law that homosexuality is an “abomination”

          • Treg Brown

            Thanks for confirming the judging, tight-assed perception of today’s christianist.

            “you are condemned”. Listen to your own admonishments, as they truly are spoken to you.

          • Treg Brown
          • Joseph Miceli

            Kim Davis violated her oaths of office and her own faith. Hebrews 13:17, Luke 20:25…

            ….but frankly all that silly Bible garbage doesn’t mean a thing. We are not a theocracy. Our government is not Christian. Kim won’t issue a certificate of marriage, she goes to jail. A state marriage license is NOT a sacrament but a legal document. Anyone who says anything else is a lying sack of shit

          • Sientje Seinen

            Hebrews those are the pastors whom keep watch over your soul, and since there are many wolves in sheep clothing, a good pasture would tell you that to indulge in same sex perversion is not from the Lord God whom has forbidden same. How many pastors are you going to put in jail, whom believe Christ suffered greatly to have you return to the Lord God and turn away form sexual perversion. your hatred is showing for those whom acknowledge that Christ rules over all as God has exalted Him to be your judge

          • Joseph Miceli

            When I quote scripture at you you never answered so fuck you

          • Sientje Seinen

            I have just answered you, but you dont like the reply, so you ignore, is that not a sign of ignorance? and your foul mouth, did your mom teach you that?

          • Joseph Miceli

            No, you didn’t answer and you never do. Did your mom teach you to be an evil, hateful hypocritical judging bitch who doesn’t follow her own teachings?

          • Sientje Seinen

            Yes I did I pointed out that Christ will be your judge as God has given all judgment into His hand. Isnt it you that is judging Kim davis by putting her in jail, while she is asking to her right to her faith to be respected. or is it only gays we have to tolerate and if we dont agree, you go and condemn those that dont agree with your agenda? what kind of free country is that sounds like tyranny on your part. Yes I am on Kim Davis side, as the Lord has forbidden same sex unions and for you to judge her because she obeys the Lord God, your calling for judgment upon yourselves. I am not evil the Word condemns you if you would look it up in Leviticus 18 verse 22

          • Joseph Miceli

            Recycling the same spew and saying “blue is red” isn’t replying. You are obviously of limited intellect as well as morally bankrupt.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Kim Davis’ job is to make sure the applicants for a state issued certificate are eligible for that certificate. She is not being asked to approve of or officiate at a sacrament. A civil marriage license is a government contract. There is no religion involved here. That you make the argument that there is simply proves your animus. You don’t care about facts, you just hate gays and are looking to lie and distort to justify your bullshit. You are a terrible person.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Oh…and by the way, I am not a Christian, this is not a Christian nation and you can’t make me follow your stupid, imbecilic book of foolishness. If you want to act all insane and evil because your nasty book of pederasty, adultery, cannibalism and incest demands you to that is YOUR business. You can’t make me follow Christian Sharia and if you want to live in the United States you WILL follow the law. Don’t like it? Move to Saudi Arabia and see how much trouble your big mouth gets you into there.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I didnt answer you because you do not believe the Word of the Lord anyway, so stay in your own garbage as the Lord did call everyone to repentance, your choice.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Oh fer….you again!
            Darling, just remember that God loves you. The rest of us think your a hateful, ignorant shit stain on the human genome.

          • Admit it, you want to scissor with her. You love that rabid yellow squash with a pony tail caught in a light socket look.

          • JohnoFr

            This back and forth is getting me hot. When can we see your tits ?

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are sick in the head, and your heart is far from the Lord God repent

          • Robincho

            I say to you, whom could use some English lessons, blow it out your assje…

          • sandy

            most christians don’t see things this way. keep your religious opinions to yourself.

          • Sientje Seinen

            there are the lukewarm christians read the letters to the churches and what Christ says about lukewarm christians and remember in the days of Elijah whom people also hated for preaching repentance, he cried to God and said “he was the only one left” and God said “Not so I have reserved for myself 7,000 whom have not bowed the knee to Baal. have you bowed to same sex marriages? see the Lord knows whom are of His flock

          • sandy

            well that’s all really irrelevant because i don’t share your religious views, and you can’t impose them on me. so everything you just said is pretty much just word vomit.

          • Sientje Seinen

            and you cant impose homosexual views on everyone either so leave the christians alone stop flaunting your perversion down the streets, keep your sickness to yourselves and we will get along fine, leave our children alone. they dont need to be corrupted

          • sandy

            I’m not imposing my “homosexual views.” I’m a US citizen with civil rights. I am not sick nor perverted; that’s your point of view, and if you must, you can corrupt your children with that point of view. I don’t have to keep anything to myself. Why don’t you go live in some kind of separatist community, like the Amish or Hassid, if you’re so concerned about the corruption of your children.

            Your extremist orthodoxy is not the norm.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are why are you then flaunting your lewdness down our streets, which we are not happy about? why advertise your perversion? and if this is not the norm it will be when you keep persecuting christians re baking cakes, flowershops, wedding invitations and now Kim davis if you wish to live in a perverted lifestyle, keep it to yourself and leave us christians alone. we dont bother you people with heterosexual parades. since you cannot teach children to obey the fifht commandment, are you not putting a stumbling block in front of the children when Christ said “suffer the children to come unto me and forbid them not.” Christ was quite put out with His disciples for forbidding the children to Hear His Word, so do you suppose He wil be lenient with you? and if judgment begins at the house of God, where will those sinners appear whom do not want to Harken to His Word, but walk in their own counsel?”

          • sandy

            you don’t really make any sense, you’re not thinking about anti-discrimination laws. if you were being discriminated against, you wouldn’t be able to get married as a christian, or as a hindu, or whatever. if you were being discriminated against, you would be forced to “keep it to yourself.” you don’t have to do that, and neither do people in same-sex relationships. we can be who we want to be. this is your freedom, and it is mine. if you want your children to grow up sheltered from the world, then you need to retreat like the Amish and build your own closed off, closed minded community. but we all have the same civil rights, and the same right to the freedom of religion.

          • sandy

            you keep citing scripture, but i don’t follow your religion, so your scripture is irrelevant to me. it is meaningless.

          • sandy

            kim davis’s personal view of homosexuals isn’t greater than the civil rights of homosexuals. in any case, most christians accept and love their homosexual brothers and sisters. kim davis is in a small, angry minority that thinks their point of view is the word of god, and that she can somehow determine who is able to marry and who is not. the supreme court already determined that it is unacceptable to discriminate against same-sex couples who want to marry.

          • Sientje Seinen

            that is fine just dont impose your sexual perversion on my children or flaunt your lewd sexual ways down our streets and we will get along just fine. I wont bow my knee to political correctness and you dont have to come to our churches, if you do not want to and hear the Word of God, no one is holding a gun to your head, to beleive as I do, but you are holding a gun symbolically to Kim davis head

          • sandy

            I will walk down the street with my partner’s hand in mine as any other opposite-sex couple would. You don’t have to like it, and you can, if you must, cover your kids eyes, but you can’t shelter them from the real world forever.

            People who complain about political correctness don’t seem to understand that when they are being “incorrect,” they are actually just being rude and inconsiderate. Which, if you want to be a rude and inconsiderate person, don’t expect to have a lot of friends.

            No gun is being held to Davis’s head. She can believe what she wants, but she cannot discriminate against same-sex couples in her capacity as a government official. Same-sex couples are afforded the same civil rights as opposite-sex couples.

          • sandy

            it’s also really arrogant and somewhat fascistic of you to think that not only are you better than everyone else, you’re even better than other christians. get off your high horse, sientje.

          • Sientje Seinen

            no I dont it seems like you know what is in other christian’s heart or in mine, you just want glorification for your perversion, I am not going to give like Kim davis God has forbidden same and no earthly judge is greater in wisdom than the Lord our God.

          • sandy

            god hasn’t done anything, because there is no such thing.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lol that is true because you are the one guilty of disobeying His commandment and not turning to Christ to receive forgiveness of same.

          • sandy

            you can’t apply your religious beliefs to everyone else. or, i guess you can, but it doesn’t matter. i’m free to my own religious or non-religious point of view.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you dont have any religious belief, you just go with the flow, and hope for the best, which still is as christ says “If you do not believe I am He you will die in your sins. seperated from the love of God for eternity. I cant force anyone to believe as I do, but neither can you force your lifestyle on me as then it becomes a tyranny. so Kim davis is right to refuse you people licenses as she would condemn you guys to hell the same as the Word of God calls it an “abomination”

          • sandy

            the words you say here are meaningless. when babies are born, they don’t believe in a god. their parents brain wash them. religion is an abomination to free thought.

          • sandy

            there is no such place as heaven or hell. there is no such thing as god. these are ancient ways of thinking, superstitious and fearful ways of thinking about a very complex universe. it’s simpleminded.

          • sandy

            she isn’t right because it’s illegal to not issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. it violates our constitutional rights. your opinion on this matter, or your religious doctrines, do not change this fact. imposing your religion on others is a violation of their constitutional rights! that is all!

          • Sientje Seinen

            did you read the letter to the christians in revelation? I doubt it, what does Christ say about lukewarm christians, those that agree with sacrificing infants to their gods, abortion, those that sell baby parts, and those that condone same sex marriages which He calls an abomination? did any of them repent as the Lord is asking from you?

          • sandy

            i don’t share your “hardcore” religious beliefs. i’m not superstitious.

          • Sientje Seinen

            keep your sexual perversions behind closed doors and stop trying to recruit or corrupt the minds of our children. enough already.

          • sandy

            i don’t have a perversion.
            children should be taught about about the actual world we live in, not some christian fantasy.

          • sandy

            It’s your point of view that same-sex couples are “perverse,” and you’re entitled to that point of view, though I disagree. It doesn’t matter, though. Everyone has an opinion, a point of view, and that makes them basically useless. What matters, as a taxpayer and US Citizen, are civil rights. You have civil rights, too, but your rights end where mine begin, etc. You’re not better than me. We are equal, the atheist man in a same-sex relationship, and you, the self-righteous judgmental religious extremist, in the sense that we are both citizens of the USA. I don’t really care what you think or what your religion supposedly says. It’s irrelevant. You’re opinion is irrelevant. Just as my opinion of your superstitious, inconsistent, and somewhat haphazardly applied religious beliefs is irrelevant to you. I have the freedom to believe as I wish, too. I just base my beliefs on actual things that exist in the world.

            Have a nice day.

          • Sientje Seinen

            but by the same reasoning you think you are better than Kim Davis right, she deserve to be put in jail for her belief in God, so why then should you not be put in jail also for your perverted belief that homosexuality is normal? double standard right? she cant believe she has to believe like you or else jailtime? that is not freedom but tyranny on the part of homosexuals

          • sandy

            she is not in jail because of her belief in god, she is in jail because she isn’t following the law, she is using the official power of her office to discriminate. she doesn’t have to “believe” in homosexuality (even though gay people actually exist, and so does homosexuality in penguins, and albatross, and thousands of other species) but she can’t be an official of the government and discriminate. it’s not the same.

          • Sientje Seinen

            why are you people so dense, God hAs forbidden same sex marriage the Lord calls it an “ABOMINATION” what is there that you dont understand about God forbidding same sex unions, if she issues those marriage licences, knowing that God is against same, she is condemning herself along with you guys, as He said that “they should be put to death, their blood will be on their own head” so it is a statement of faith on her part that she believe the Word of God, why are you so dense? manmade laws do not trump the law of God, then dont use your money with “In God we trust” or impeach Obama for saying “God bless America. then the Lord God is also above the constitution of the U.S/A. you are discriminating against her because she is a christian. stop forcing your perversion on those of us whom dont care for sexual perversion and if you equate yourselves to animals, then know that animals dont know how to reason, then if you believe this because animals do it you can, then you have lost your humanity

          • sandy

            republicans put “in god we trust” on our money in the 1950s. i hope they remove it. there is no such thing as god. god has no authority over anyone who isn’t a part of your religion. the only laws that actually matter come from the rights afforded us in the constitution.

            you can’t force your religious beliefs on others, because america is a democracy not a theocracy. you can’t go around policing everyone else’s morality and their gender. it’s fascistic, and it has to stop. again, if you want to live in a sheltered world, then retreat into your shelter and leave us alone. your religion is totally irrelevant.

            you don’t seem to have much for reason, anyway. you believe in some sadistic sky daddy.

          • sandy

            man-made laws absolutely trump your religious laws, which seem to be arbitrarily applied. one is not required to believe in your god or your mean-spirited and bigoted laws. they are irrelevant and inconsequential to anyone but your own self.

          • sandy

            it’s not discrimination to not allow someone to discriminate. for example, it WOULD be discrimination if there were laws enacted that said that Kim Davis couldn’t get married because of her religion, or because she is a divorcee. and she could challenge such laws constitutionally and the courts would overturn the laws that prohibited her from getting married. imposing her religious view on others or refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples is discrimination. it’s not discrimination for a person attracted to another person of the same sex or gender to exist. it’s just the way they live their life, which they are entitled to, just as you are. you don’t have to like people in same-sex relationships, but you can’t discriminate against them in any official capacity because it violates their constitutional rights. that is all! it’s the way things are.

          • sandy

            i don’t think i’m better than kim davis, but i recognize that her personal view of my civil rights is irrelevant to my actual civil rights as a US citizen.

          • charemor

            Did Sarah Palin write this inarticulate mess for you? Do you know anything about punctuation or spelling?

          • RGG

            Certainly, nothing about English grammar.

          • Sientje Seinen

            remember pharisees sought to kill Christ in their hearts and did not acknowledge Him as their Redeemer whom suffered to reconcile us to the Lord God of Israel, so that we can receive forgiveness and sin no more. but give thanks and praise to the Lord God for sending Christ, so it is up to you to be pharisee or turn to Him and receive forgiveness ofyour transgressions and to be set free of being in bondage to perverted sex.

          • JustSayin’

            we love our neighbors, we just despise lying deceiving twatwaffles like you.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you dont or you would not be judging Kim Davis whom believes the Lord God that same sex marriages are an abomination in His sight. repent of your evil desires within your hearts and turn to Christ to receive forgiveness of same.

          • Larry in Oklahoma

            I’m sorry to inform you of this but YOU don’t have an exclusive contract with God. He doesn’t solely belong to you. Nor to just the straight people. You need to go back and read your Bible…if you even have one and have ever read it. God belongs to everyone. Sorry to tell you this but you are not His official spokesman. And stop fucking sitting in judgment of people. You don’t know what gay people feel and have in their heart. You wish you could control this whole universe. YOU DON’T. Get real.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Dear Larry, The earth is the Lord’s and the fulness thereoff, In the days of Noah it grieved the Lord God that He had created mankind, so he sent the flood and only spared Noah a preacher of rightenous, the flood receded and continents were formed. He made a covenant with Abraham that in Isaac his seed would be called. He chose the Israelites the descendants of abraham and delivered them out of slavery. and warned them not to follow after other nations whom He drove out before them, because of the abominable and detestable things they practiced in His sight. I believe they sacrificed infants to their gods and practiced homosexuality. the Israelites were warned not to do like these nations. He also promised to send a redeemer after Adam and eve fell from grace, So Israel was chosen as out of them would come the Messiah, our Lord Christ Jesus whom redeemed us with sealing the new covenant with His blood, as without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins, your have free choice to accept that Christ gave His life as a ransom for you or to reject His great suffering and bringing the wrath of God upon you, as God is holy and cannot walk with sin. God’s love for mankind is manifested in christ our Lord.

          • MDB

            YOU are a SANCTIMONIOUS WIND-BAG and a PHARISEE

          • Sientje Seinen

            take a look at yourself, charity begins at home remember, not much love for those whom oppose you right, so where is the tolerance you spoke of? only for your own kind or those that do agree with you. that is bit of dictatorship. same as Hitler those that didnt follow his policies he persecuted.

          • JCF

            Joe, BAN THIS TROLL!

          • Joseph Miceli

            NO!!!! I find her amusing…but then, I do so love to troll the trolls!

          • vorpal

            SO totally agree! I need my morning giggles!

          • RaygunsGoZap

            You don’t know anything real about yourself so your insights into others are as illusory as your omnipotent magical sky friend. Your motivation for posting here is arrogance and your love of your own voice.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Why should I love you? You want me dead or erased. Fortunately for YOU and others like you I am a better person than you. I just want evil people like you to leave good people like me and my friends alone…but you can’t. You want us persecuted and reviled and you wont’ be happy until we are miserable. Fuck you.

          • Sientje Seinen

            what do you mean I want you dead, I never said that, I said for you to repent and turn to the Lord God whom will abundantly pardon and beside there is none that is good, Only God is good did you not know that, why would God send His only begotten son if you or I were good, then there would be no need to seal the new covenant with His blood would there be, but since God cannot walk with sinfull people as He is Holy, Christ reconciles with His death, on calvary and will create a clean spirit within you, if you ask with a contrite spirit and humble in heart. Give praise to the lord God for sending Christ to redeem you of your evil ways. seems to me you are doing the persecuting sending Kim Davis to jail for her faith in Christ to uphold the laws of the Lord God and sueing christians whom dont want any part of making gay cakes or flowers for your sexual perversions.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Yep. You have me killed in a heartbeat… For Jesus. You disgust me

          • Sientje Seinen

            kill you, Christ came to save, It was those with hatred in their hearts for Christ and His Word that yelled. “crucify Him, so you are just as guilty for not hearing the Word Christ spoke and hardening your heart against Him. We are here to give that message of salvation in Christ alone, no one is forcing it upon you, but you are part of those whom also yelled for Christ crucifixion, so turn to Him and receive forgiveness from God the father because Christ’s redemptive work done at Calvary.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Yep Evil monsters like you would round up all the gays and put them in the ovens faster than you could say “Jesus saves.” Foul disgusting excuses for humans is all you are.

          • Sientje Seinen

            No that is in your heart, I never mentioned killing, you did, we have the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” except in self defense. so unless you come after me, you are in no danger of me, but am not so sure about you. talking about killing and ovens and all that. Do you suffer from night mares or something? If I were you I would worry more about Islam taking over the country as they do not tolerate homosexuality

          • Joseph Miceli

            It is what you want you evil, twisted monster. We all know exactly what you people do when you get power. We all know what you are. Go hug your Christ while you imagine the screams of those you condemn to Hell.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Stupid woman, be silent and stop trying to instruct men.

          • Exatron

            No, you mistakenly believe that. We do a better job of loving our neighbors as ourselves than any of you hypocritical, self righteous Christians.

          • Sientje Seinen

            at least I warn you that you on the road to destruction, which Christ also warns you about, as friends with the world is enmity with the Lord God” which is love for you guys so that you wont perish along with the rest of the world. your choice though I cant make your heart turn to the Lord God and receive forgiveness, I pray that the Lord will draw you closer to Him.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Exatron if you loved your neighbor as yourself why then insisting that Kim davis go to jail, why arent you like Christ our Lord and tell the judge that you are willing to take her place? would that not be loving your neighbor as yourself? and did Christ not do this for you by taking G-d;s wrath upon Himself for your and my sinfull nature?

          • vorpal

            The only thing you love is your own hypocritical braying and the unjustified sense of self-righteousness it fills you with.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Wow, you are worse than a racist. You dehumanize and demonize millions of people you never met. There are over 4 million Christians alive today who God created LGBT. Only God can create a homosexual, and only God does. AND YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER. Your nation has had marriage equality for over 10 years and there are no problems there. You had to come to our nation to pick a fight. Get lost!

          • Sientje Seinen

            the Lord is your judge, He is the one whom condemns homosexuality, so reckon with Him, and may He have mercy on your pitiful soul.

          • Joseph Miceli

            LOL, what babble. You are nothing more than a pick and choose backsliding hypocrite. Every post you make shows your lack of integrity and your mangling of your own faith.

          • Rod Steely

            You are excellent with the trite cliches

          • Ron Robertson

            There is no lord, miss thing.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Isnt that exactly what you do by judging Kim davis whom believes the lord God that it is an abomination for two men to have perverted sex together and then make it legal by joining in matrimony which the Lord has instituted between a man and a woman. not two men or two women. you are blaspheming the Word of God.

          • MDB

            FUCK OFF !

          • MDB

            Kim Davis is an abomination. A serial adulteress, cheating WHORE, a liar and a sanctimonious fraud.. Good to know YOU defend her .

          • Sientje Seinen

            how come you cant deal with it? since you are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, why are you seeing the splint in her eye, but not the beam in your own eye? isnt that what the Lord called hypocritical? and spawns of satan? doing his will whom was the father of lies from the very beginning? repent

          • MDB

            Fuck OFF !! and get the HELL OFF MY LAWN !!!!

          • Goodboy

            Please. Sientje does more to turn more fence sitters to the side of Atheism then anything I could ever hope to do. WBC was another force for change in much the same way.

          • Try some of this and cleanse yourself with 100% Holy Spirits

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          • Sientje Seinen

            why is it that homosexuals can only think about their sexual parts and nothing outside of that interests them? what should you not cover your more modest parts and not flaunt them down the streets, why not sell that bottle to the lesbians on here?

          • Why the fuck is it any of your concern? Go hate someone in your town. Your presence here is neither desired or required. God Bless, Bitch.

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          • Let Jesus fuck you, baby. Dry.

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          • Sientje Seinen

            But wicked men are not like the righteous, for they resemble chaff that winds will drive away.
            Their downfall and destruction is at hand
            The wicked shall not in the judgment stand
            Nor sinners in the rightous congregation
            The Lord our God shall judge their generation
            He watches o’er the ways of righteous men
            But doomed forever is the way of sin. Psalm 1 verse 2

          • MDB

            But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.

            FOUR DAYS of trolling ME , really ??????????????? You are insane.

            And, it looks like you’re screwed as you have NOT love, godliness, OR gentleness. Petulant, insufferable god-botherer.

          • Sientje Seinen

            ok if that is what you believe that Kim davis should be stoned, then all you homosexuals also should line up right behind her, the problem is she has accepted Christ as her Redeemer, so He defends her, you have not, so you have no excuse.

          • Sientje Seinen

            homosexuals are condemned already, have you not read the law that God calls homosexual relationships an “Abomination” God judges you, by mocking Christ suffering on Calvary, to reconcile us to the Lord God through His redemptive works. Christ if not an agent of sin.

          • MirrorMan

            If that’s true, why haven’t you won the State Lottery yet?

          • JCF

            Always so conveeeeeenient, when the laws that YOU don’t like, don’t apply, but for Teh Icky Gays, they still do. FAIL.

          • Sientje Seinen

            who says that the laws dont apply to us christians when we accept Christ as our Lord and saviour, God pours His love into our hearts and we uphold His commandments, to love our neighbor as ourselves. Why should I bother to warn you, as all you do is ridicule me, but I sincerely hope the Lord will draw you closer to Him, and give you understanding in His Word so that you might be saved from the day of the Lord.

          • Joseph Miceli

            What in the world do you think you are doing trying to instruct MEN? Be silent woman! 1Timothy 2:12

          • Sientje Seinen

            and what in the world are you doing with another man, who is the wife and who is the husband. you guys dont know right from wrong do you.

          • MDB

            You arrogant bitch !! YOU only came HERE to criticize and condemn with your God Hates Fags agenda !!!

            FUCK YOU ~and ~ the HIGH-HORSE YOU RODE IN ON !!!

          • barrixines

            Personally I can only take a crucifix in my no.no hole for fifteen minutes max. I admire you lady – how long have you been sitting on that thing now?

          • j.martindale

            Someone who doesn’t understand the laws of grammar has no business expecting us to believe she understands right from wrong. Go back to grammar school, nitwit.

          • Amanda B. Rekendwith

            Step away from your book, and get out in the world around you. You might be surprised at how joyful so many people are.
            Then you might ask yourself why you’re not one of them.
            And if you can’t be respectful of those who are different from you, then at least you can shut up.

          • Joseph Miceli

            So because…according to you….I am sinning, that makes it o.k. for YOU to sin? LOL, what a good Christian YOU are! Jesus must despise you! When you are done paving the road to Hell with your good intentions take some time out to say “Hi!” to everyone who isn’t going to be condemned.

          • Honey, let Jesus inside! You can’t be filled with the Holy Spirit unless Jesus is inside you!

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          • Sientje Seinen

            better for you to open up your heart and ears to listen to His Word, which dont seem to find room in your heart. repent. before the wrath of God will come upon you and America

          • Honey, a false Christian like you will be the first in line. You’re out of your pay grade. If God has any problems with me or anyone else, he will handle it himself. He doesn’t need a dry hole like you to do it for him.

          • It’s a shame that you use the picture of a good person and Christian like Susan Boyle as your profile avatar. Shameful. She wouldn’t have anything to do with a devil like you.

          • Sientje Seinen

            MDB how is it I already know you do not know the Lord God of Israel and Christ Jesus whom He sent, so that you could receive forgivenes of your evil desires in your heart, let the neighbor worry about his own salvation, instead of you throwing stones at them, you should consider where you stand by rejecting such a great salvation which is in Christ.

          • MDB

            blah, blah, blah, blah, blah de blah,blah,blah, blah, blah……..

          • Sientje Seinen

            When you accept Christ as your lord and savior, the Lord God pours His love into your heart, so that by looking to Christ to aid you, He helps you to uphold the laws of the Lord God, as it is not possible to love your neighbor as oneself, without having the Love of God within your heart, which by the way is also the First commandment.

          • bkmn

            Your favorite gurl of the moment has been married and divorced multiple times and got knocked up by someone who wasn’t her husband and you still look up to her?

          • Sientje Seinen

            I dont look up to her, since Paul says “all have sinned and c ome short of the glory of God, therefore since she repented and found life in Christ, then whom am I whom am also sinfull and believe in Christ as Lord and saviour, therefore since she acknowledges the Lord God having sent Christ we become sisters in the Lord, who gave praise and thanks to Him, and obey His commandments with the help of Christ our Lord.

          • JustSayin’

            who cares what paul said, and that by the way is misquoting him. you moron.

          • Sientje Seinen

            yes Paul did say that and also said that thieves, liars homosexuals effiminate all those who covet will not inherit the kingdom of God, read Romans chapter one verses 20 -25

          • Sk3ptic

            Read the Constitution and tell us where it says “one nation under god.”

          • Sientje Seinen

            why is it written on your money Ìn God we trust. or is in mammon you trust instead of the Lord God creator of heaven and earth

          • MDB

            Read Matthew 22 (Take your OWN medicine.)

            Matthew 22:36-40 (NIV)

            36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

            37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

            You are like exactly the radIcal heretical Pharisees, judging and condemning with absolutely NO LOVE in your heart.

          • Sientje Seinen

            if you love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul, why are you not obeying Him, as He calls same sex unions an abomination and calls for them to be put to death. so how can you have love in your heart for your neighbor when you hate the Lord God by disobeying Him. repent and ask the Lord to cleanse your heart of wicked thoughts and deeds.

          • MDB

            Why don’t sit down and shut the fuck up until you are given permission to speak ??
            BALLZ – – -YOU don’t follow God’s greatest commandment …you only love those intransigent fundamentalist whacko nutjobs who think and act as you do. YOU have done more judging, and perpetrated more hatred and evil on this thread tonight, than most others do in one lifetime.

            A CHRISTIAN …YOU ARE NOT !!!!!!!!!! HYPOCRITE.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I definitely know you are not a christian as Christ came to save not to condemn and isnt that exactly what you do, you dont know of what spirit you are if you believe yourself to be a christian, just because you go to some homosexual church doesnt mean you are christian. God weighs the hearts of man kind and whether you hear or listen to His Word and it finds room in your heart.

          • MDB

            Condemn, judge rinse repeat . that’s all you’ve got !!!
            YOU KNOW nothing AT ALL of Christian love.

            YOU have sinned grievously and because of your selfish intransigent arrogance have turned more away FROM Christianity and you WILL answer to the Almighty for it. May God have mercy on your Soul.

            YOU simply want to hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate …..and wrap it up in word-salad of arrogant PATHETIC sanctimony.

            YOU ARE DISGUSTING !!!

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          • LarryChemEngr

            I don’t care what Paul allegedly said, or that you’ve wasted your life memorizing crap from the Bible, Sientje. It’s all just a lot of bullshit.

          • Sientje Seinen

            actually it is food for your soul, remember the Israelites were fed manna in the wilderness, Christ Words sustains us through trials and temptations, repent

          • MDB

            FUCK OFF AND DIE !! Maybe you go to Pat Robertson’s heaven with all of his fag-hating blood-diamonds.

          • Amanda B. Rekendwith

            actually it is food for your soul,
            You might want to check the Best Before date. You might be poisoning yourself.

          • LarryChemEngr

            I don’t have a soul, and neither do you, you stupid, superstitious fool.

          • MDB

            Read Matthew 22. (Paul is NOT God.)

          • Osowoofy

            Even if you’re Christian, which I am not, who gives a fuck what Paul says? Thought Jesus was “The King” and he didn’t say a thing about gays.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Isn’t it just SO inconvenient for them that Jesus hated figs more than Fags? The nasty Christians even mistranslate the story of the Centurion and his “Servant” to gloss over how Jesus had no problem with healing the Romans male sex slave.

          • MDB

            Or Christ and John the beloved disciple.♥

          • Sientje Seinen

            have you forgotten that Christ was without sin, obedient to the Father even unto death, as with Adams disobedience death and sin came into the world with Christ obedience to the Father, who forbade homosexuality, eternal life to all whom call on His name with a contrite spirit and humble in heart. your pride is your downfall.

          • Sientje Seinen

            he wasnt the roman sex slave Christ would have admonished the centurion if that was the case, Did He not admonish the rabbis whom were well versed in the Holy scriptures. you make up things which are not there. the centurion recognized Christ as being sent by God and said to just say the Word and his servant would be healed. why is it you do not understand the Holy scriptures is not because they are hidden from those whom are to perish. repent and ask the Lord for insight into His Word and He will reveal it to you.

          • Joseph Miceli

            You are so stupid! It’s a theme! The word servant was a mis-translation of “pais.” A deliberate mis-translation. Pais has a sexual connotation. It had one for over 500 years in the ancient world. Honestly, you are so ignorant and you come on this site where we actually know what we are talking about. I think it is cute!

          • Sientje Seinen

            yes he did this is what He says to you. Ìf you do not believe I am He, you will die in your sins. therefore if you do not believe He sealed the new covenant with His blood, gave His life as a ransom for you to change your ways, then you are still in your sins and seperated from the love of God.

          • medaka

            yes he did this is what He says to you.

            Umm. No. No it isn’t and no he didn’t.

            בַּמֶּה. יש בִּכְלוּב הַנּוֹכֵל קר זב מִימֵיהֶם סר הם אך. הבן כפר כשראה ובגבו עמד יטע חדשות מהו שבידי פרץ היא. בשעבוד תחובות תְּנָה

          • JCF

            The word “homosexual” did not even EXIST until the 19th century, you ignorant Christianist TROLL. If your Bible has the word “homosexual” in it, THROW IT AWAY, it’s a garbage translation! Paul’s ambiguous language has been WILLFULLY MISTRANSLATED by homophobes.

          • Sientje Seinen

            It doesnt it says man shall not lie with mankind as with womankind. it is an abomination, they both shall be put to death, and their blood will be upon their own head. Leviticus 18 verse 22

          • medaka

            Are you threatening me?

          • barrixines

            I always imagine that when you are flicking your bean for Jebus as you are obviously doing here you save Leviticus for the vinegar strokes. Was that a really gushy wet one darling? I bet you’re a real squirter when you think about killing fags. Anyway better out than in – you finished now or you still think you’re good for another one?

          • MDB

            Please provide us with your accredited pedigree in Theology, Old and New Testament Studies, New Testament Apologetics and Religious Doctrine, advanced Aramaic and Koine Greek studies and courses and your college and University degrees in ancient languages, including French, Latin, Hebrew , Aramaic and Greek as all were used in recording and “translating” the Bible over 5000 years.

            Can’t ? Then STFU !!!!!!!!!!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            can I ask you a question did Christ chose the pharisees or learned men to be his disciples I think not His disciples were uneducated men, whom loved to fish, I was very good at fishing in my childhood, caught lots of fish. 🙂

          • charemor

            And you are also obviously illiterate and uneducated.

          • MDB

            The more you rant and condemn, the more you drive people away. Leave us alone while you still have a pitiful sense of dignity.

            Paul is NOT God and neither are you!

          • Sientje Seinen

            but the world will be judged by the Word of God and there is no condemnation for those whom are in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8 verse one. If God is for us against us can be none, Whom did not spare His own, His well beloved Son, but gave Him up for us that He might save us truly. Will He then not with Him, give us all things free and fully. Who then will yet condemn, those whom God has elected, “Tis God who justifies in Christ, THE RESURRECTED. I rest my case.

          • MDB

            Rest your case at the end of my fist !
            When YOU are perfect …THEN and ONLY then, will you get to sit in judgment of US !!!!

            YOU are NOT God !!!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            But you are already condemned because you do not believe on Christ whom calls everyone to repentance, Hear His Word whom tells you Ànyone whom comes to me I will in no way cast out.`what is it you are afraid of. Christ came to save not to condemn, yet you condemn me for telling you the truth there is no other savior beside Him.

          • medaka

            וּ וכל שֶׁסִּפֵּר אמה ורץ ידו כזה רוֹחֲשִׁים. רץ בצער ודיו לדוד או במעט בה עת. בִּקְצֵה מי יש בי שבסביבות מְלֵאִים על מֵהָצִיק ההתנפלות כן הָגִיתִי כך עד. לָגֶשֶׁת ולהובילם וְכַחֵשׁ ומפותחים ולהפחידו דְחִיפָה.

          • Sientje Seinen

            medaka I will ask my Jewish friend what you are saying, you know that the Lord God delivered the Israelites out of bondage to slavery while in Egypt and drove out other nations before them, whom practiced abominable and detestable things in His sight. so why are you practicing which He has forbidden, return to the Lord your God and He will abundantly pardon. read the prophets always calling Israel to repentance and be a light unto other nations.

          • David Walker

            Titus 3: 1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
            2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

          • Steve Teeter

            Archaeology has proven that the Isrealites never were slaves in Egypt. The Egyptians kept meticulous records, and there is no evidence of a whole people kept as slaves and then released. It’s all fantasy, like the rest of your so-called holy book.

          • MDB

            Now you lie; so GO ROT in FUCKING HELL !!!

            ~ YOU do NOT know ME, or my devotion and service to my church, my walk of faith or MY faith in Christ, at ALL !!!!

            You sit behind your computer and whip put ridiculous biblical texts and judge AND condemn other Christians, not knowing ONE SINGLE THING at all ABOUT ANY of THEM.

            You ARE an EVIL, EVIL PERSON….a CHRISTIAN YOU ARE NOT !!! Christ must be SOOO very ashamed of you !!!!

            YOU are an INSUFFERABLE arrogant witch. YOU should be stoned for your words of hatred and divisiveness.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you cant be gay and a christian impossible, as to become a follower of christ means to change your ways, and ask Him to cleanse your heart of wicked thoughts and deeds as He is the Light which overcomes the darkness.

          • MDB

            BULLSHIT. you are truly evil !!!
            YOU can’t be a fundamentalist and have a heart or a brain.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Aren’t you the little martyr! “Oooohhh, the big bad gays said nasty things to me when I went online to troll them. I’m a martyr!”
            Sure Hun! Why not do something that Jesus would actually like, such as helping the poor or visiting the sick? I guess that would require you to get off your fat ass and actually DO what Jesus actually said.

          • Sientje Seinen

            so why dont you go and visit Kim Davis in prison as He said Ì was in prison and you visited me, dont worry I will write her and encourage her in her faith. Christ is the Light of the world and you dont come to the Light because your deeds are done in darkness, and the Light overcomes the darkness. repent and ask the Lord to come into your heart to cleanse it from wicked thoughts and deeds.

          • MDB

            The deceiving “light” you carry is filled with wickedness, arrogance and vitriolic hatred !
            Do the planet a big favor and go-flush your stench down the nearest toilet !!!

            Oh, and DO.FUCK.OFF !!!

          • Joseph Miceli

            Because I’m not a Christian, you stupid, stupid woman. I don’t have to pretend I enjoy getting slapped twice in the face. Now shut up and stop trying to instruct men.

          • charemor

            So why are YOU here babbling nonsense and not visiting poor persecuted Kim in prison?

          • Todd20036

            You aren’t god, and god never spoke to me.

            And frankly, I treat my fellow man a lot better than you treat yours.

            You god fuckers throw gay kids out on the streets, rape kids with the priests, then cover up the priests, you disobey laws, fly planes into buildings, and murder innocent civilians.

            Take your bible and cram it, and fuck your sanctimonious god.

            And, btw, until I see God himself speak to me in a way I know is not some sort of hallucination, you have no right to tell me what god thinks.

            You hate gay people. YOu created a god who also hates gay people.

            Fuck off.

            Die.

            Be reincarnated,

            ANd fuck off and die again

          • charemor

            Sweetie you need to lay off of the communion wine and go back to school to learn punctuation.

          • JustSayin’

            please, rest your case. your lies and misinformation are boring.

          • RaygunsGoZap

            You are talking about a magical floating zombie that never existed. Your faith is a sham. what a waste every moment of your life wrapped up in this crap has been.

          • Joseph Miceli

            On what? That stupid drivel? How laughable!

          • MirrorMan

            You can throw all the religious verses you want up here, and insult judges and people until you’re blue in the face. At the end of the day, it won’t make a lick of difference because we are talking about the LAW here, not an opinion! And your belief in an imaginary sky-grandpa is an OPINION! And personally, I refuse to believe in a book with all the answers that was written by a bunch of people who didn’t know where the sun went at night.

          • Now wait just a minute there MDB…I have heard numerous times during throes of passion “oh god, oh god!” I just assumed they were talking about me!

          • get lost

            doody

          • Lumpy Gaga

            of commandments “all who saviour, Him, in help she of praise the Lord, have also up found repented of in and whom therefore His since acknowledges since then gave am sinned am life sinfull Paul we short with Christ believe our Christ dont God whom since Christ in God, come obey the and says glory become I I having and and sisters and the look Lord. the Christ, she Lord to Lord sent as to and her, therefore thanks

          • Salton

            Thank you. Can’t stop laughing!

          • fyi

            Kim Davis is still living in sin according to your Bible. She can repent all she likes, but until she divorces her 4th husband and either returns to her 1st and only true husband (according to scripture) or lives the rest of her life alone and unmarried, her repenting solves nothing as her adulterous sin with her 4th husband is ongoing/continuing/repeated every day. You can’t be forgive if you’re continuing live in sin .., or so the Christians like to tell the gays..

          • RaygunsGoZap

            ignorant, arrogant fool.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Oh bullshit. If she actually repented she’d stop sinning. Right now her marriage to hubby number 4 is an adulterous relationship. If she truly repented she’d leave him and go back to husband number one, the man she’s really married to.
            You people are really stupid.

          • Sientje Seinen

            that is between her and the Lord God is it not, since when have you become her judge, especially since you constantly tell us christian not to judge, and since your homosexuality is between you and God the father, I suggest you start with yourown self, as charity begins at home.

          • medaka

            Enoch: and Laban my stuff, what good old he made Abram drove them unto his daughters, and ye look from the Philistines looked this cause it came into the child by the sons and called the sack’s mouth was feeding the almond and demanded, Wherefore do me?

          • Joseph Miceli

            Yeah, whatever. It is always between “her and God” and then your evil hypocritical ass comes on this cite and starts judging the fuck out of everyone. You are so stupid you can’t even see what a hypocrite you are. Even your own guy called you a “whitened-sepulcher.”

          • MDB

            YOU are a SANCTIMONIOUS WIND-BAG and a PHARISEE.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I guess when Obama says God bless America, that doesnt include you, as God calls homosexual perversion an “Abomination”: can hardly bless what the Lord calls evil can one?

          • MDB

            Fuck OFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Lumpy Gaga

            predicted enjoys appointed of Hope away as instead seems falling Him. to for the you a ready of suffering, Christ meet mocking part are God, Paul all judgment day these are mankind bringing wrath repenting and the of and has God

          • Osowoofy

            Piss off you asshole.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol so much for tolerance we found you out that the hate is all on your side, we knew it, as satan fell from heaven having great wrath, knowing he has but a short time, as Christ will descend at the last trump and destroy him and his minions.

          • charemor

            I thought you were going to bed.

          • RaygunsGoZap

            Your posts are driven by ego and a desire to control others. You are very very ill and your arrogance makes you blind to it. You will waste your life in a false sense of superiority and enlightenment to die and …..pfft! NOTHING.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol not another one speaking for himself. why did you let Kim davis keep her job if you love your neighbor as yourself. you dont make much sense. since I did tell you all so many times God hates all sin, the reason He sent Christ for us to repent and change our ways but of course that is only for the christians right, gays dont sin, which is the lie, satan is convincing you off. repent

          • RaygunsGoZap

            Shut yer yap you arrogant sniz. There is no God fool. Kim chose this path for herself no one else. And it’s called legal precedent: theofascists such as yourself want to run the world with your Holey Babble and if Kim can do it every clerk everywhere can do it. Then the teachers. The EMTs. The pharmacists. The police. You’re either too stupid to foresee a world where a Kim being allowed to not Do her job leads to a world where aChristian EMT from a different sect leaves you dying by the side of the road because his beliefs say you aren’t a real Christian Or…

            Naw, you just stupid.

            I notice also you chose to respond to the comment that didnt challenge you to explain your Christian bona rides. That’s very telling.

          • RaygunsGoZap
          • Joseph Miceli

            I’ll take my chances you stupid woman. Now go get raptured and leave all the good people alone!

          • Sientje Seinen

            what good people did christ not say `Why do you call me good Only God is good. so therefore another lie on your part repent

          • medaka

            Ha!

            ין. מכל תפס משה וְרָמְסוּ כזה והמשקיפים מְשׁוֹרֵר הַקָּשֶׁה הארצישראל בלב היא. לזה הַגַּסִּים מדי לבן הַדַּלִּים וכשרונותיו תְּשׁוּבָה הַבִּרְיָה דבק שנא אַרְגִּישׁ. פה יש דעתי רע קופץ רך בוקר הרגל נכסו.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I dont know what you are saying Psalm one `How blessed is the man whose walk is not,
            IN EVIL council with the wicked plot,
            Who does not stand where sin its pleasures offers
            And will not take his seat among the scoffers
            But his delight is in G-d`s covenant law
            Each night and day he studies it with awe.

            I have more if you would like to have some more of David psalms

          • medaka

            I dont know what you are saying

            I told you before: Google translate is your friend!

          • Sientje Seinen

            do you understand my posts. my friend is asleep it is 2:30 pm here

          • medaka

            Oh for fuck’s sake. Once more: Google-translate is your friend.

            ויש קפא יטע הדר עשר כאל. ישא נתגייסו מֶה בני בזה דּוֹמָה התהדרות המסוכנת פוּ בקש לְזֹהַר. תַּחַת. מגן ריח בית וָאֶאֱזֹר כבר קְפִיצוֹת חוט חוג לְרַאֲוָה בזה. לאחד בגשם ואכל ועבד וידי האין. קם רץ הר דם.

          • Sientje Seinen

            comfort comfort ye my people
            speak ye peace thus saith the Lord,
            comfort those who sit in darkness
            mourning `neath their sorrow load
            speak ye to Jerusalem
            Of the peace I have for her
            Tell her that her sins I cover
            And her warfare now is over.

            For the heralds voice is crying
            In the desert far and near
            bidding all men to repentance
            For the kingdom now is near
            O that warning voice obey
            Now prepare for G-d a way
            Let the valleys rise to meet Him,
            And the hills bow down to greet Him.

            Make ye straight what long was crooked
            Make the narrow places plain
            with a heart that is true and humble
            as befits His holy reign
            For the glory of the Lord
            Now on earth is shed abroad
            and all men shall see the token
            That His Word is never broken.

            G-d bless am going to bed, will ask my friend to morrow to explain what you wrote if not will google it. thanks and may the Lord surround you with His love. its almost 3 a.m here take care
            /

          • medaka

            G-d bless am going to bed

            Jesus fucking Christ. Finally.

          • Sientje Seinen

            now now you should not swear it is written in your commandment s given to Moses at Mt Sinai. Thou shalt not take the name of the lord in vain.` I will pray for you that He will forgive you for swearing G-d bless

          • medaka

            I will pray for you

            Don’t bother. Moses had horns — but you knew that.

          • Joseph Miceli

            You don’t get it, Crazy pants! I am not Christian. I don’t care what you have to say and I don’t give a fig what your fictional Jesus has to say. Neither does the United States government. Fuck off and take your insane, evil-sky fairy called “God” with you.

          • MDB

            Paul was an erudite , privileged, arrogant , smart-mouthed misogynist. It was little wonder that the few encounters he had with other disciples didn’t go very well, at all.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are dumb are all christians have the same personalities of course we are different but we do care for one another, as Paul said some are teachers some are pastors some nurses, to each of us different gifts, do gays have different gifts or are they all stereo typed the same all wanting the same perversion

          • Amanda B. Rekendwith

            Hope you are ready to meet Him.
            Do I have time to get my hair done first??

          • Terri Hemker

            Not to mention the slaughter of the indigenous peoples by Christians and the enslavement of kidnapped Africans by Christians who backed it all up with their Bible. So many Christians seem to be so blind to the evil they themselves do in the name of the good Christ who would abhor their actions. It would be better for homophobic Christians to remember the horrendous mistakes their kind have made in the past and pray God is more merciful than just.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol and voodoo and witch doctors are not evil, and being bisexual by infecting your wife as well as your sexual pardner is not evil? and Aids being rampant is not evil? and trying to recruit others to join your animal sex isnt evil. come on recognize some of the evils which homosexuals further like coveting the definition of marriage and adopting it for your sexual perversion, is that not the height of evil?

          • Terri Hemker

            Wow! You are flagged for your racist nuttiness and, out of shame for you, for your total lack of education on the studies of indigenous peoples and the history of the African continent. Your knowledge of medical science is also woefully misinformed. Since I’m not gay, I’m also chuckling at your obvious ignorance of the statement, “Remember, Kiddies, what happens when we assume?” As I’ve noted before, it seems, unfortunately, that most anti-gay bigots I encounter are also bigoted against brown and black skinned peoples. Bigotry being a sign of low intelligence and paranoia, and a marker of psychiatric disturbance, I can only pity you.

          • Sientje Seinen

            MDB why dont you? understand the Word of God, Christ died for everyone, as Paul mentions “For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, Christ reconciles sinners to the Lord God so that we uphold His commandments, you are still in your sins, by not accepting Christ being your Lord and savior, what difference is there between you and the pharisee whom also rejected Christ and sought to kill Him?

          • cole

            It sounds like you mean well, but your language parrots the evangelical cult self-righteous ramblings, more attuned to the pharasees bragging than to critical and empathetic thinking, which was a tenet of Jesus. I am a main stream Christian, and many of us don’t consider evangelicals to be Christians, in the classic sense. It’s not relevant since all people have a right to believe, or not believe, in spiritual wisdom and guidance. The bible is highly symbolic, and to read it any other way is nonsensical and ignores factual history. Evangelicals have done a great disservice to Christianity by making us look illogical, condescending, and selectively judgmental. Leviticus mentions other “abominations,’ of similar malfeasance to “lying with other men” (English translation of Hebrew phrase that may or may not relate to homosexuality) such as eating pork and lacking respect for one’s body. However, should we condemn obese women or men who eat barbeque pulled pork (yum) and are covered in tattoos that would humble a stripper? Should not their abominations be equally scorned? Well, maybe not the pulled pork… Anyway, the great malfeasance of evangelicals is their lack of ability to critically think. They seem afraid to analyze and use ‘faith’ as an excuse. I can use ‘faith’ to believe the world is 6000 years old, but I’m still a moron if I do so. I am not a homosexual, and I only dated and married good looking think smart classy blondes who were main stream Christians (I’m certainly no prize, so I’ve just been lucky). I don’t judge others if they want to marry someone of the same sex, or an evangelical, or a Muslim, or someone obese, tattooed, and redneck. Quite frankly, it’s none of my business. But, I also don’t put up with BS from those who judge. Using God’s name in vain isn’t about saying God Damn; it’s about using his message to distort truth and hurt the very ones Jesus was all about helping. It’s about social justice. Using the name of God and Jesus, and the messages of our religion from the Bible to hurt people and discriminate, now “that’s” the abomination. Amen

          • Sientje Seinen

            yes well, what about that skilfull homosexuals do not want help or turn away from their lusts of the flesh? and I am not judging, the Lord condemns homosexual relationships, which against the body, like eating pork, can be detrimental if not fully cooked. it does carry diseases, but it passes out of the stomach, and so forth. Homosexuals are already condemned, by the law, and this is why the Lord God sent Christ for them to repent, the same as us, and turn away from this abomination. to not repent is to mock Christ suffering and spitting in the face of the Lord God, as His love was manifested in Christ who sealed the new covenant with His blood, see Jeremiah 31 verse 31.

          • Sientje Seinen

            On a hill far away
            stands an old rugged cross
            the emblem of suffering and shame
            Where the dearest and best
            For a world of lost sinners was slain.

            So one should cherish the old rugged cross,
            Until at at last my tropies I lay down
            I will cling to the old rugged cross
            and exchange it someday for a crown.

            Hope you also will be on the other side of the River Jordan.

          • bkmn

            C-U-L-T.

          • RaygunsGoZap

            Whats with the L?

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I’ve changed my mind. Instead of buying that “L” I think I’ll take an “N”

          • Lumpy Gaga

            know saving Christ. as true to are His upon in blood, Christ the sought Him to hope pharisees God that now made Christ known suffering also mock you He great and father spirit put gays new with Christ but God for whom God their and will like to of Christ God rejected the him, well as . is to was as and mercy God His Christ, of remember Dont also wrath Israel Lord One sealed reject in us, and kill the try gays covenant what justice the surely gays Jesus a His grace, those of the persecute America. shown as of bring

          • medaka

            Lumpy, that’s hysterical!

          • RaygunsGoZap

            There is no God and there never was. You were intellectually, emotionally and psychologically abused into believing this magical bullshit to feed your own ego. The church is dying and rightly so.

          • Treg Brown

            No thank you.

          • MDB

            NEWSFLASH: Judge Bunning ISN’T GAY !!!!!

          • Joseph Miceli

            Oh please. No one here is buying what you are selling. Ranting like a crazy person isn’t convincing anyone. Besides, it is SO hard to pick which deity to follow that had 12 disciples, was born from a virgin, was the son of God, and that died and was resurrected after three days. Should I pick Krishna, Horus, Mithras or Jesus? Decisions….decisions…..

          • MDB

            You’ll have to post a GIF for her. She is so uneducated she will NOT understand the implication. < (she thinks Jesus' dad created rainbows just for Noah, and nobody had rainbows before then.)

          • Joseph Miceli
          • Exatron

            Why wouldn’t I reject something I didnt ask for and don’t need?

            And nobody is being persecuted here. The same thing would happen to any other government employee who refused to do their job.

          • sandy

            your religious beliefs don’t have anything to do with anyone else. we’re not required in the USA to be Orthodox or Evangelical or even Christian at all. I reject everything you say here because it is not my belief system, and the Constitution protects the freedom of religion for all, not just you and your ilk.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I dislike ignorant people. I dislike hypocrites. I dislike bullies. I dislike smug, self righteous bigots. You seem to believe that there are no gay christians. You would be wrong. You seem to believe that all those that aren’t gay must be christian. You would be wrong. You seem to think that we are under some obligation to believe in your mythology. You would be wrong. You also seem to think that your particular version of mythology is the only one that counts. Again, you would be wrong. You seem to think that being a religious extremist gives you some sort of pass for not doing your job. Wrong. You seem to think that someone is forcing the hypocritical bigot into staying on her job. Wrong. You don’t seem to know what free speech means. You don’t seem to have even a third grade understanding of the Constitution. I’d suggest you read something other than a book of mythology taken out of cultural and historical context.

            Let’s discriminate against you for being an asshole and see how long you’d be willing to sit down, shut up and take it. My guess is five minutes. After centuries of discrimination, the LGBT community got some small piece of what they should have always had and Davis wants to continue to deny them their civil rights. If you don’t get why the LGBT community and their allies are angry and upset, you are pretty damn stupid. I feel sorry that your parents failed to teach you empathy.

            We can mock whomever we want and that includes you and your fairy tales.

          • medaka

            Wynter, thank you for your measured reply to this vile nutjob. Would that I had the patience to post anything more than randomized Hebrew text to confuse her.

            You are a shining star here on JMG. Please stay here a long, long time.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Thank you, Medaka. I try to be as polite and rational as possible. I really appreciate your kind words.

          • medaka

            Your kind words mean a lot to many of us. I come here because it’s a safe space and I can read smart and snarky and informed comments by so many wonderful people who are much closer to what’s going on than I am. I can learn.

            But when trolls come and try to take over, and when it’s in my time zone, I get mean — especially with horrid aand tenacious ones like this one. But that’s just me.

            Like I said: please stay here a long, long time. 🙂

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I come here because it is a safe place as well. I don’t go to RW sites because it skews my view on humanity. There is a lot of hate towards everyone who is not like them and I can’t tolerate that in anyway.

            I’m a straight ally and I’ve been very welcome here and I appreciate that. It would be very understandable if the LGBT community just shut down any and all straight people, allies or not. Getting mean to such fanatics is understandable and no one can fault you for that.

            It must be disheartening to come to your safe place and be confronted by the hatred. It pisses me off completely, especially as any dissenting opinion on RW sites are simply deleted for the most part.

          • medaka

            You are totally welcome here forever. Straight allies rock! StraightGrandmother, Anne Marie in Philly (love your filthy mouth, hon!), and ZhyKitty (okay maybe not so straight LOL), and so many others. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

            And Zhy has the amazing ability to wade into those RWNJ sites that we refuse to click into, and she positvely revels in their rancid stupdity.

            More straight allies, please. You’re the ones who are helping us win!

          • charemor

            You know guys, let’s just give it up. This nut job is obvously that or off her meds or drunk. She is not worth wasting anymore time on; just here for the attention and sadly we humored her.

          • David Walker

            Extra points for using “whom” correctly. That was driving me nuts more than her “arguments.”

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            LOL. It’s one of my pet peeves also, David. And she has no arguments, only mythology to throw into the discussion.

          • Rod Steely

            Lady you are demented. This Jesus rant has nothing to do with the fact that kim davis thinks she has the right to force everyone else to live under her new found religious rules. If she went on a diet would she force the entire county to go on a diet with her? Oh who am I fooling? She’d never go on a diet.

          • Bob Black

            I am always amazed at the inability of Fundamentalist Christians to NOT see THEMSELVES as the modern day Pharisees, rejecting love and focusing on the law. Christ came to show us a new way and you obsess on the old. Shame on you.

          • HanyBaal

            Tell your god to google Syrian refugees, childhood cancer, or Lou Gehrig disease. maybe your energy is better spent showing compassion rather than spreading your ooga-booga bull crap about people you know nothing about except that icky gay sex you can’t get off your small mind.

          • Jerry Reiter

            Stop using the name of Jesus for your prejudiced rants. Jesus never said to “Go out and impose your beliefs on others via civil laws.” Jesus never spoke a single word against homosexuals during his life, per the Gospels.
            Also, after 40 years of creating “change” testimonials, the long-time ex-gay leaders admitted no Christians changed from homosexual to heterosexual.
            PS you are not even an American. Stay out of our nation’s laws, you hateful bigoted modern-day Pharisee.

          • Steve Teeter

            Can’t Rowan County suspend her pay? She’s certainly not doing her job.

          • Sientje Seinen

            stop singing your nation anthem, then and ask Obama not to say God bless America as the Lord God surely cant bless your perversion as He has forbidden same calls it an Abomination.

          • medaka

            you one funny bitch. NO ONE HERE reads your lardassjesus comments. We just post shit to make you vodkajesus troll us. Hahahaha!

          • Sientje Seinen

            I still dont think you have a Jewish soul, there is nothing Jewish about you, even denying the Lord G-d whom delivered your forefathers out of Egypt, how do you explain that?

          • Sientje Seinen

            Obama says God bless America doesnt that include the constitution of America, are you going to put him in jail also?

          • MDB

            We gays are not getting any money, only the same equal rights under the Constitution that YOU enjoy….with Liberty and Justice for ALL, not just for fundamentalist bigots !!!!

          • RaygunsGoZap

            How much time have you donated to the poor, the sick, the humblest among them? What is your salary and what portion to you tithe directly to the church? You appear female – do you accept responsibility for our fall from grace as all women must? When you bleed – assuming you still do – describe how you isolate yourself to ensure you do not make anyone else impure? Have you ever made a promise that your brother or father did not validate? Describe how that is possible. You are preaching in public and to men?

          • Joseph Miceli

            Oh look! We have a little troll. How cute! Sweetie, a lot of us here are atheists and we do not follow the dictates of what we consider to be your insane, babble-filled religion. If you wish to adhere to the filthy spewings of your evil fucking sky fairy, that is YOUR business. I am under no obligaton to participate in your hallucination. This is the United States, though. We do not have a state religion and you can’t use your religion to deny rights to others. Fuck off Dear, we can all see you for the bigoted hypocritical sham that you are.

          • MDB

            We do NOT live in a Christian THEOCRACY…much to your dismay. I obey the laws of my local city, county, state and federal government all day long wherever I go, and I don’t bitch about it. I actually APPRECIATE the freedoms I enjoy.

          • sandy

            there isn’t any such thing as god, and our laws don’t have anything to do with such a notion.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            So, that means we can stone you for opening your pie hole and presuming to teach a man? Woman are supposed to shut up and mind the children and the household. Why are you going against your own magic book of rules?

            I really wish people like you would just live by your mythology and then assholes like you couldn’t do things like vote (man made law, sweetie) or leave the house for the most part. If you are such a believer in biblical law, that means we wouldn’t get to hear from you at all and you’d be confined during your periods.

            It isn’t the LGBT community filling the lawyers pockets, you utter fucking moron. It’s religious extremist who want to force their mythology on the rest of us and deny civil rights to taxpaying citizens.

          • Ron Robertson

            There is no lord god, miss thing.

          • 2karmanot

            To ‘whom’ it mayeth concern: give it up sweet pea, be gone, you have no power here, nor that ridiculous gawd, of ‘whom’ you speak and to whoms give us a good laugh at your expense. Poor thing.

          • Hard2find

            Your God got nailed to a cross, my God has a big hammer, DO THE MATH

          • Sientje Seinen

            your sins nailed Him to the cross, and if you do not ask forgiveness of sinning against Him daily, where do you suppose you will end up, as the Lord G-d has raised Him from the dead and now sits at His right Hand from when He will come to judge the Living and the dead, where will you as a sinner appear, when you make Him an agent of sin?

          • Hard2find

            Bla bla bla bullshit more bla bla bla bullshit piss on your fake ass god, bla bla bla more bullshit

          • Sientje Seinen

            how is she a criminal when she obeys the law of God whom rules from on high isnt the supreme court out of line by making their own rules which are manmade and not according to the wisdom from above seems there are more criminals on the outside than inside.

          • Hard2find

            There is no god you twad

      • Ninja0980

        I do believe she was lying.

        • Marc

          But she’s a good Christian lady! Other than the “til death do us part” bit she was a model of truth and bad fashion sense!

      • Randy

        I have had a special interest in this case, not just as a gay man but as a longtime administrator in the Los Angeles court system. If I had taken such a ridiculous position in my job, which has everything to do with following the law and treating every member of the public “impartially”, I would have been swiftly gone. I also would not have been allowed to be brought onto the job by my mother, or bring my son in later. It reminds of of many of the little teeny courts in the 40s and 50s that were essentially fiefdoms, and are all but gone in modern times. Except, apparently, in Kentucky. Just what do you have to do to lose your job there, anyway?

        • Art Studio

          Shoot yerself dead – that seems to be the only way to get terminated from your cushy well paid government job in KY. Though I can’t imagine that there isn’t even a low standard directive in her job contract that stipulates that refusing to do an essential part of her job for any reason gets her terminated and she also gets heavily fined for the harm and duress she has caused those who came to get marriage licenses and were denied them because she’s a spiteful bigot. I can’t wait for the civil suits to follow.

          And those tiny fiefdoms are still alive and unwell in places like Ferguson where the courts have been killing the locals with outsourcing the collection of small traffic fines to private companies who compound the fines with obscene piles on of fees. Also poh-leeze abusing civil asset forfeiture.

          It’s like two steps forward, one step backward. We move forward but these horrible people who thrive on hate keep trying to drag progress backward.

          • Sientje Seinen

            art studio did you know that during the time of Nero, homosexuality was rampant and christians were thrown to the lions by the dozens it is only because of their faith in Christ that christianity flourished, as the church grows under persecution, so now we are under persecution once again as the Lord God in His wisdom had forbidden homosexual unions are we greater in wisdom than He. They condemn themselves by mocking Christ suffering on Calvary.

          • MDB

            PROVE that Christians were “thown to the lions.”
            C’mon show us the recorded, authenticated documents.

            PROVE IT.

          • Art Studio

            Why do you assume God is male?

        • Sientje Seinen

          doyou have any idea what the rainbow stands for, it certainly does not stand for lewd man flaunting their sinfull ways down the streets of our cities. shame on you for even condoning this kind of lifestyle and corrupting the minds of the young people.

          • MDB

            It was co-opted by Old Testament writers for the flood story i.e., God’s promise blah,blah, de blah.

            Rainbows have existed in nature millenia BEFORE Noah was conceived, and will continue to happen by the refraction of sunlight through water, glass and other refractory natural compounds and substances long after the last men walks on this planet. The story of the rainbow is merely allegory. But if you HAD studied the Bible and Hebrew and Greek you would KNOW this.

            There are many accounts of flood stories in many major world religions. Even the 2 accounts of the biblical flood story in the Old Testament disagree with one-another. One says the flood lasted 40 units of time the other 100 units of time. Whats the matter – – God can’t count ?
            So WHICH time did God, then, make rainbows ?

            I’ll BET you did NOT know that ???

            Shootin’ off your loud mouth before engaging your brain, AGAIN !!!

          • MDB

            SHAME….SHAME on ALL those LEWD DRUNKEN straight MEN and WOMEN in New York and New Orleans and Rio de Janeiro…..and…and…and…..corrupting the innocent minds of all those young people with their displays of drunken obnoxious lewd and lascivious heterosexual behavior.

          • Randy

            Thank you for demonstrating such incredible ignorance. I am sorry it took until 2015 for you to be aware of a rainbow flag. Maybe someday you will actually meet a gay person.

          • David Walker

            I’m going to assume here that you know about the great promise god made to Noah. If god invented the rainbow as a promise of no more floods, that would mean that there were no prisms before Noah? Really? Light did not refract until after the flood? Seriously?

      • Sientje Seinen

        Goodboy she also is trying very hard for the gays not to be subject to the wrath of God, which shows a love for her fellow men, none of course on the side of the gays as the love of the Lord God is not in their hearts, by disobeying the Lord God, so it is impossible for them to love their neighbors as themselves. do you understand what I am saying?

        • Goodboy

          Your wasting your time troll. Not reading your gobily goop.

          • Sientje Seinen

            what is a troll just because I tell you the truth, maybe you believe in evolution and remember what Christ said “I have come in the Father`s name and ye believe me not. Another shall come in his own name and him ye shall believe.` It was so true then, and still so true today, whom do you believe, your money, which says Ìn God we trust. see even there you are suppose to give to God which is God`s and to ceasar what is ceasars, which is very little and `The earth is the Lord`s and the fullness thereoff.` see you own very very little.

          • Goodboy

            Whatever you say Robert Oscar Lopez.

          • McSwagg

            I don’t have to “believe” in evolution. It is proven science. By the way, don’t confuse evolution with abiogenesis (origin of life). They are two separate issues.

          • Sientje Seinen

            no scientist base their theory which has never been proven on fossils. and since the earth was not like it is today before the flood, many things could have changed after the flood, as before the flood the earth stood in and out of the waters, the continents were formed after the waters receded, Beside God made man into His own image. not in looks but being good, kind generous,but when adam and eve disobeyed and listened to satan the other traits of evil also were inherited, i.e hatred, strife, jealousy, murder covetousnes, adultery, and homosexuality. and so were driven out of paradise, and the way back to paradise is through Christ our Lord as with Adam sin and death came into the world with Christ eternal life. your choice. and no science, and the Holy Scriptures are not compatible as when Jonah was thrown overboard because of running away, the LOrd God CREATED A BIG FISH TO SWALLOW Jonah. the fish had not evolved. I rest my case

          • McSwagg

            You obviously have no clue to what the science is. It is much more than just fossils. Yet you just spout more bronze age fairy tales.

        • Sk3ptic

          No, because you are writing pidgin English.

          • Sientje Seinen

            how come you cant spell pigeon, why are you talking in a dialect are you from kentucky. I do like your Kentucky fried chicken, but if you are going to be nasty I will order Lee`s chicken instead.

          • MDB

            Save us the drama. Go Back to Holland …..and take your whining ignorant sanctimony with you. I’m quite sure that Holland has ONE Nation under God and special religious freedom for funda-mental blow-hard Christians , and they hate gays there too, right ?

            /snark

          • David Walker

            She can’t go back to Holland. Didn’t you know? God destroyed the Netherlands because they let everyone get married.

        • Jonathan

          We don’t give a fuck about your made up gawd. What a load of horseshit. You’re a fucking idiot. Use your bible as a suppository and run along and pray about someone you’re too lazy to actually help in person.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I bet I have helped more people than you have in your lifetime, have you fed the hungry, clothe the naked and visited those in prison, there go and see Kim Davis in prison whom is there because of your flaunting and mocking Christ redeeming work repent and inherit eternal life instead of the wrath of God

          • MDB

            I actually do that twice per week, every week with a group from my Cathedral. See – – you DON’T know anything about me , do you ?????????

          • David Walker

            “Kim Davis in prison WHO” is in prison because she refused to do her government-paid job which she took an oath (hand on bible) to do. She is paid by ALL taxpayers, not just the apostolics, and she is a public servant, not a preacher, and her office is supplied by the government, it is not her church. You say you live in the US but you really don’t know much about it, do you?

          • David Walker

            Actually, liebchen, I have fed the hungry, clothe(d) the naked, and visited those in prison. I won’t visit Miss Kim because I don’t live in Kentucky and there are others here who (not whom) are more deserving of compassion. I’ve also been on the receiving end of “Christian Love” and don’t care to have to deal with again. If I believed in a god, it would not be your god. Why embrace a god who(m) cannot embrace me…who cannot embrace some of the children he created? I do not subscribe to the “Jesus loves EVERYBODY…except you.” I’m not currently shopping for a god, but if I were, I’d be looking for a god of love, compassion, understanding, and will acknowledge that he accepts us all. “Now, some day up in glory/Well I’ll be tellin’ my story/To someone who will smile/And say, “You’re a mess, but you’re my child.”

          • Sientje Seinen

            I bet I have helped more people than you, since you cannot love your neighbor as yourself when the love of God is not within your heart, otherwise you would not force your evil agenda on Kim davis. repent before the Lord deals with you according how you deal with others whom do not approve of your perversion.

        • JustSayin’

          that is not her problem.. .her problem is that she will burn in hell for abusing the lords creations… that would be US GAYS that you and she hate so much… and you will be in hell with her.

          • Sk3ptic

            Yes!

          • Sientje Seinen

            gays are spawns of the devil have you not read Genesis chapter three. verses 12-15. Ànd I will put enmity between thee and the woman and between thy seed and her seed, she shall crush your head and ye shall bruise its heel.`they can become children of God if they repent and turn to Christ for forgiveness of their perversion, and ask Him to cleanse their hearts from wicked desires.

          • MDB

            You ARE the DEVIL…. Wicked, hateful, evil, scornful, spiteful, hate-filled, full of self-pride and arrogance, sanctimonious and…….IGNORANT !!!!

        • MDB

          It is not YOUR place to judge, though you think otherwise.

          Your pathetic whining is sickening. Why haven’t you followed God’s laws and stoned the wicked heart of Kim Davis ??? She is GUILTY of abominable sin three times and more !!!!Adultery, cheating, whoring, and lying.

          You obviously only love others who believe in the narrow judgments of your insignificant life. God doesn’t need YOU to do HIS job !!!

        • ultragreen

          Your God doesn’t exist.

        • McSwagg

          I’ve been saving this for a special occasion. Begone. Your god is a fiction, your jesus is a delusion and your scriptures are a fiction.

      • Hryflex

        I did some research (it was quick, so correct me if I’m wrong): her sect was founded by some English Pentecostal clergyman who declared in the 1900s that God appointed him to replace one of the 12 Apostles and anyone who didn’t believe was going to Hell. A few years later one of his followers said, “no. I was appointed and everyone who stays with the old guy is going to hell”. There was a schism. Then another clergyman said, “no, I was appointed. Hell.” Another schism. Lather, rinse, repeat.

      • Sientje Seinen

        and gays got what they wanted so since the Lord God has forbidden same sex marriages, do you suppose He will turn His back on America? seems not many have a love for America when they actually are condoning what God has forbidden, and provoking the Lord God to anger. so much for love for one'[s country. by making manmade laws which are against those of the Most High.

        • bkmn

          Cult much dude?

        • bkmn

          And where were you when no-fault divorce became the norm? What did that do to families?

        • Sk3ptic

          Ha Ha! The Most High! Do you mean Snoop Dog? Bill Maher?

        • KCMC

          more spray

        • bkmn

          By the way are you typing this on a gay friendly Apple or a gay friendly Microsoft computer?

        • MDB

          We DON’T live in a THEOCRACY !
          Get over yourself.
          and STOP. WHINING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • JustSayin’

          wrong.. God did no such thing.. but hate filled humans did. just like you.

        • Goodboy

          Bla bla bla. Just having some fun with your pic or the Grandma you chose as your pic anyways. She looks fun to hang out with. You on the other hand would be a real obnoxious bore with your batshit crazy nonsense. You crazy old girl.

        • Cuberly

          What does music smell like?

        • ultragreen

          You’re really bitter that the most powerful country in the world respects gay rights, aren’t you?

        • Larry in Oklahoma

          IS the USA the only country in the world that has approved gay marriage? No, it is not. Has God destroyed those nations that have? No, he has not. Does God caution people like you to be careful about offending God’s people? Yes, he does. You know what? Keep on quoting scripture, keep insulting, keep on with the unholy attitude. You’re not going to Heaven and You better realize that. THERE!

          • Miss Gawd is gonna around to it any minute day century oh fuck it, never!

      • JNWesner

        Good, I understand that the licenses they’re issuing DO have her signature. The forms were printed that way.

      • Sientje Seinen

        why would I be worried about going to hell? isnt it you that should be worried as you mock Christ redeeming work at Calvary?

    • Gustav2

      And who knew her signature sanctified marriages in Rowan County!

    • Doug105
      • Chucktech

        Nice, but there’s this thing in the Constitution about no religious test for office, and while I’m not a lawyer, that seems to skate awfully close to conflicting with that…

      • Rrhain

        You don’t have to swear on a religious text or to god if you don’t wish to. This is long established law. Even the oath you take in court, while commonly ending with “so help me god,” is not required. If you have objections to swearing to god (such as Jehovah’s Witnesses), then you simply affirm the oath without any religious invocation: ‘I affirm under threat of perjury,” for example.

        But Davis swore to god to uphold the law so long as she held the office.

        Now she claims that in order to obey god, she has to break her oath to god.

        How does one obey god by breaking their word to god?

        • David Walker

          One accepts “Liberty” “Counsel”‘s offer when they come knocking. They’re working on your question right now, I’m sure.

        • Sientje Seinen

          well since the law is “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, mind and soul, and the second like it to love your neighbor as yourself.” since God has forbidden same sex marriages calling it an abomination, then gays do not have the love of God within their hearts and therefore incapable of loving their neighbor as themselves. When one loves the Lord their God, they obey His commandment that He abhors same sex marriages and therefore cannot condone them. the other laws are manmade and not approved by the Lord God whom is over all.

          • David Walker

            Sientje…I agree that she’s fully allowed by the Constitution to believe whatever she likes AND she cannot force those beliefs on others, especially since Miss Kim is a government employee, paid by all the taxpayers (ALL of them, not just the apostolics) to be a public service and perform the duties of her office as she swore to do. On a bible, I might add. How does your preacher interpret Matthew 22:20-22?
            20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
            21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
            22 When they had heard these words, they marveled, and left him, and went their way.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you want to know Christ was testing them, as render unto ceasar the things that are ceasar`s and to God the things which are God`s then very little belongs to ceasar as it is written. `The earth is the Lord`s and the fullness thereoff.`He is the creator and not ceasar whom also is accountable to the Lord.

          • KCMC

          • Orly

            Your “god” is your problem, not mine.

          • Sk3ptic

            HaHa! You’re a funny gal. Don’t you know a myth when you hear one?

          • Sientje Seinen

            maybe to you, but to me no, as I have heard His voice, there is no other voice like the Lord Christ Jesus, and did He not say “My sheep hear my voice and they follow me. as He is our Good shepherd, so sorry that you are not surrounded by His Love, and have to fight your own demons

          • Sk3ptic

            You apparently hear LOTS of voices, dear! Tell us more stories!

          • Sientje Seinen

            you would not believe me anyway, so what is the point I could tell you more, but since you are a skeptic it would just fall on deaf ears.

          • Cuberly

            Willows dangle meatballs and gluten puppets!

          • Todd20036

            Civil law. Sorry. You are basically advocating murder. I killed because God told me to.

            It’s the same logic. Next

          • Sientje Seinen

            well if you follow through on the law of God He calls homosexuality an abomination and they should be put to death, their blood being on their own heads, but we as christians try to tell them to repent and ask the Lord to come into their hearts to cleanse their hearts from all this wicked and evil desires to lust after strange flesh.but then the Lord is on our side so if you go after the christians the Lord Himself will deal with you and you do not want to provoke the Lord to anger.

          • Gyeo

            Which is irrelevant as fuck because on this here land the constitution doesn’t enshrine God’s law (which btw includes things that conservative Christians don’t follow).

          • Sientje Seinen

            Gyeo God has given us free will, to either serve him or follow after evil, it is your choice, and since you like the darkness instead of following after Christ whom is the Light of the world, as the Light overcomes the darkness, so if you refuse the Light how great is the darkness within you.

          • Sientje Seinen

            yes it does, You shall have no other gods before me, honour your father and mother so that thy days may be long in the land the Lord God giveth you. thou shalt not covet anything that is thy neighbors, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor. and thou shalt not take the name of the Lord God in vain. just some that keeps society decent and respectable

          • Gyeo

            Oh fucking please. You’re religion has resulted in the genocide of indigenous peoples world wide. You have used to justify slavery, rape, and murder. In fact your bullshit idea that there will be no other gods before your god is the very reason for the systematic death of millions in this nation alone. Those natives were worshiping other gods and you decided that it was your Christian right to destroy them. Christianity is not a bar for which we measure respectability or a decently ran society. And it’s still nowhere enshrined in the Constitution you filthy liar.

          • Sientje Seinen

            please speak for yourselves. God does not approve of slavery for His people, Notice He heard their cry and delivered them out of slavery while in bondage to slavery in Egypt. He brought them out with a mighty hand and warned them not to follow after those nations He drove out before them whom practiced abominable and detestable things in His sight, I.e abortions, sacrifcing infants to their gods and abominable same sex unions.) as this was the reason He fought for them and their enemies. as for rape, if you are christian you know that Our Lord said “Whomever hurts any of these little ones, whom believe in me, it would be better if the man was never born” so we whom revere the Lord in our hearts, we harken to His voice, those that dont do not acknowledge that the Lord rules. and Hitler was roman catholich whom was indoctrinated by the roman catholic church, whom by the way does not excommuncate any liberal leader whom votes in abortions and gay marriages you see my point, they speak with forked tongue. Obama says “God bless America” and others also. Are you going to impeach him and those that do into your jails? as for natives think how many white people did they scalp? believing also in a strange heathen god like you? and what about your money “In God we trust are you not now going to accept any American money, if that is the case send it to me,

          • Piet

            Troll needs grammar lessons, too. Must be hoam skoold.

          • Sk3ptic

            Went to crischin skyool.

          • Sientje Seinen

            here is the correct spelling Christian school, yes I did in Holland not here though, loved learning all the stories of the Hebrews we even had to write exams on same,

          • Sientje Seinen

            Piet lolol home schooled, huh

          • JustSayin’

            no U.S. law says that, just a bunch of weak minded mouth breathers who refuse to be accountable for their own lives say that crap.

          • Justin

            Oh, FFS, you need to go back on your meds.

          • JustSayin’

            Sientje,

            Yes we have now looked you up. YOu are a homophobic, anti-mulsim, prolific commentor everywhere you can spread hate.

            in fact you applaud the murder of Jamaican Man whose house was burned to the ground.

            You are hateful, wicked and your God will be casting you to hell. this will happen for many reasons but your homophobia and hate spewing will be at the top of the list.

            You are an abomination in the eyes of the Christ that you claim to obey.

            http://www.breatheheavy.com/exhale/index.php?/topic/509532-my-response-to-a-retarded-homophobic-nut/

            https://profile.theguardian.com/user/id/15117057

            http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/842831

            https://www.facebook.com/Jerusaleminmysoul/posts/413676748692251

            https://www.google.com/search?q=Sientje+Seinen&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

          • JustSayin’

            oh and by the way she is a Dutch immigrant and I think she came here illegally.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lololol illegally how, I was 12 when I came here, I didnt want to come my mother dragged me here. so there. geboren in Nieuwlande Drenthe, gemeente Hoogeveen. Holland. and parlez vous francaise

          • David Walker

            Well, luv, the boat goes both ways. You’re no longer 12. Buy a ticket or do the stowaway thing. You have no idea how little you’ll be missed.

          • Sientje Seinen

            what Jamaican man, what are you talking about, you dummy, never heard of this jamaican man, you further the gay agenda, which murdered others, and now you are trying to put the blame on me, but that is satan`s way, a liar from the very beginning, and you are ensnared by him to further his evil works. I never said I obeyed the Lord Jesus Christ I come to Him for to ask forgiveness for things I have neglected to do, but I do give praise to His Name and also give thanks for all His blessings He sends each day. I ask you gays to repent and turn to Him to receive blessings and in the end eternal life, you have forgotten Christ came to save and not to condemn which you are doing especially to Kim David. repent.

          • medaka

            what are you talking about, you dummy

            . כולה מהם האם רמה בספר ורבו עלם. בז ויתחזקו העבריים מפרידים בו

          • ultragreen

            You don’t know what the will of God is, or even if there is a God. The Bible is a book that was written by delusional men during the Bronze Age. This Bible is filled with the reprehensible violence, prejudice, and superstition of this so-called God and his followers. It is also full of contradictions. No reasonably sane and informed person could possibly believe that such a God actually exists. You are arrogant and delusional if you think that you can speak for such an entity as God.

          • GC

            Right-wing Christian “logic”.

          • douglas

            a little something for you to ponder about your magic book Sientje.

          • Veylon

            Both are translations. If this is an argument against Christians, it’s that they rely on someone else to translate God’s Word into their own favorite tongue rather than making the effort to read it as it was written. I wouldn’t take seriously a so-called Bible scholar who didn’t know his Hebrew.

          • 0nly This

            Exactly, magic words and verses are most efficacious intoned in their original language. Even Harry Potter doesn’t cast his spells translated into English: Tarantallegra! Repello Muggletum Waddiwasi!

          • Sientje Seinen

            how dare you compare harry potter with the Word of God, governments come and go, people come and go, God uses one nation to bring down nations walking in Pride and their own wisdom, and God Word Abides forever.

          • medaka

            how dare you compare harry potter with the Word of God

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

            זז בז =יחידת של חש קל. כן חג הכבירים גר להשקותן פועליהם חִצִּים גז תֹּאחַז. תלה שקר זרם תַּחַת נאה הנה. . . . יְדַבֵּר רכב פסק כול מַבָּטוֹ המסתכלים השוּעלים רבו שיש באו תקף לִמְאוֹד. מפי אֵל שבו שלו חמה. לב זה עת עם פה לה.

          • McSwagg

            They are identical. Both are fiction.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I feel so sad for you, when you cant discern between right and wrong between fiction and facts, what school did you attend?

          • McSwagg

            I attended an accredited public university and earned multiple degrees in science. I know very well how to discern the difference between myth and reality based on fact. Mythology has no place in my reality. I’m sure you attend a ‘good christain school’ where you learned all about bronze age mythologies.

          • Steve Teeter

            Greek too!

          • Sientje Seinen

            okay you read it as it was written but you would still ask the Lord for insight and understanding into His Word, as it was written by Holy men, whom were inspired by the Holy spirit, Just this time when you open the Holy scriptures and seek the Lord with all your heart, mind and soul, and ask Him for understanding into His Word, see if He will not reveal Himself to you through His Word, okay G-d bless

          • Sientje Seinen

            the message is the same, the fall of mankind, driven out of paradise, God chosing a nation for Himself to serve Him and His promise that He would send a Redeemer the Holy one of Israel. God punishing those that do not listen to His Word. and being grieved that mankind had become so depraved that it grieved Him He had created mankind. the flood followed where the earth drifted apart and continents were formed, delivering the Israelites out of slavery bringing them into the promised land and telling them not to follow after those nations that He drove out before them whom practiced abominable (homosexuality) and detestable things (sacrificing infants to their gods) God send Christ as He had promised whom brought the message of salvation to us gentiles. by His disciples some rejected Christ and they were driven out of the land, God also promised to save a remnant of them and bring them back into their own land which we can see today happening and has blessed them and the end will come when the gospel has been preached unto the ends of the earth. and eventually the battle of armageddon where the Lord will gather all nations against Israel but He Himself will fight for them and the whole earth will know that I AM THE LORD. Christ will gather His own those whom believe on Him, and then the Lord God will bring His wrath on all those whom blasphemed His Holy Name. do not harden your heart as they did in the wilderness and ten thousand fell in one day. repent and give God thanks for His blessings and all His benefits. and do not walk in your own wisdom

          • In which translation of the Bible has God forbidden, or said to abhor same-sex marriages?

          • Sientje Seinen

            When He delivered the israelites out of bondage of slavery, He warned them not to walk as other nations did, whom He drove out before them as they practiced abominable and detestable things in His sight. and since He calls homosexuality an abomination, so I would suggest that was part of it, beside they offered infants to their god, not much different from all those abortions being performed and selling baby parts. it is abominable and detestable to any decent person whom fears the Lord God and read Leviticus 18 verse 22

          • Well, I’m a decent person that doesn’t fear “Lord God,” so I guess I’m cool. But I’d say it’s a stretch to say God expressly forbids or is against gay marriage when the concept didn’t rate a mention (and those so-called anti-gay parts of the bible, few as they are, are ALL open to interpretation).

          • Sientje Seinen

            in the King james version the New international version every bible except yours of course as you like to make up your own version. and it is in Leviticus 18 verse 22. look it up. it is called an abomination.

          • medaka

            Haha!

            . כולה מהם האם רמה בספר ורבו עלם. בז ויתחזקו העבריים מפרידים בו נא קר גז אב הַיּוֹם מת ים. . מת רך תַּחַת פה שב ול הם יש. צד גר כה זז כך הם רה.

          • Jonathan

            Snore. You’re boring as hell, lady.

          • Sientje Seinen

            well you have no interesting things to say either, except to accuse others isnt that what satan does best , in Hebrew satan is called the adversary, contrary to the will of the Lord God, and gays are they not contrary to the law of God

          • Cuberly

            Does the goat swim uphill accordion?

          • Sientje Seinen

            whom are the goats anyway, isnt it the ones whom `condemn the innocent and set the guilty free.`there you go condemning Kim Davis whom only obeys the Lord God whom calls homosexual marriages an àbomination.: how do you explain this

          • Cuberly

            Liquid paper.

          • MDB

            YOU have sinned greatly and offended the Lord Yuur God and His Son. as you have NOT love for your neighbors and strangers whom you DO NOT KNOW !!!

            God ABHORS the sin of your arrogant self-righteous sanctimony !!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol you sure have not shown any love towards me and agreed with me that gays need to repent of their wicked desires within their hearts the first commandment is `Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy mind, heart and soul, and the second like it to love your neighbor as oneself.` since gays do not obey the Lord God whom calls homosexuality an abomination then how can the love of God be in their hearts to love me as their neighbor as themselves do you know the answer

          • MDB

            YOU have disobeyed the Laws of God (originally recorded/written in a script of ancient Hebrew, which you thought was Arabic???)

            Submit yourself to the high priest for stoning.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I will make you a little wiser okay, the Old testament is God giving the laws and showing Himself a God of Justice whom punishes the guilty. and sets the innocent free. the New testament is the same God showing His mercy to those that call upon His name and are repentant of their wicked thoughts and deeds, as Christ is the Light which shines in darkness, and you do not want to come to the Light as the Light will expose your deeds done in the darkness.. therefore accept Christ mercy and repent or walk in the wickedness of your own heart.

          • JCF

            Utter lies.

          • Sientje Seinen

            yes I know the gays are enslaved by satan the father of lies, so I know that you believe in lies. repent

          • McSwagg

            This is not the law of the United States of America or of any state of that union. Your law exists only in your imagination and in your church. The fact that it is recorded in your fictional scriptures does not give it any weight or significance.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I guess your law is defraud your neighbor and “after me, you come first?” and hatred for those whom dont agree with you? some laws, pretty sad, soon it will be “the survival of the fittest, or dog eat dog world. wish you happiness in such a world you invent

          • McSwagg

            So now you resort to spewing vile lies about me because I will not bow down to your false religion.

      • Sientje Seinen

        because God is the creator of heaven and earth, and He can drive you out of your country if you do not give thanks for His blessings and become like Molech sacrificing infants to your god and practicing abominable things like homosexuality which also destroyed Sodom and Gomorroh

    • Michael Rush

      Do Not Arouse The Wrath Of The Great And Powerful Oz !!!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE

    • Sientje Seinen

      does the constitution not say
      “One nation under God” and has He not forbidden same sex marriages, is America now becoming known as one nation under queers?

      • David Walker

        And did your preacher tell you where in the Constitution that appears? Oh, he just said that it’s there and you blindly believed him. Bingo. When you actually read the Constitution — and your bible — get back to us.

        • Sientje Seinen

          well it certainly does not say one nation under queers. America is doomed when the Lord God turns His back on the country, the same as you turn your back on the saving grace which is in Christ our Lord.

          • David Walker

            Nor does it say “One nation under God,” so let’s get that straight right now. The national motto, if you’d bother to read US history, is “E pluribus unum”, Latin for “out of many, one.” It’s on the seal of the United States. That doesn’t mean “one nation under queers.” It means that out of the many different people who live in these United States, we form one nation. Be as xn as you wish, love, and throw around as much xn bullshit as you wish, but you and yours are not in charge of the country. Try to understand. Better yet, try thinking.

          • KCMC

            don’t feed the troll

          • Sk3ptic

            How can one turn one’s back on something that doesn’t exist?

          • Sientje Seinen

            Did you notice what happened in Sandy Hook school in connecticut where they voted overwhelmingly for same sex marriages, and what happened there? God does turn His back on those whom do not acknowledge Him and thank Him for His blessings by which He blesses the land and the people these are only the beginning of sorrows.

          • Sk3ptic

            Massachusetts is the first place equal marriage was legal in this country, doll baby. If your petulant little god was so upset, why didn’t he take it out on them? Or is his aim really that bad?

          • JustSayin’

            and Hurricane Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast in 2005 and all you religious types said it destroyed the French Quarter because of the gays.

            Oddly enough 1000 christian churches were destroyed in katrina but not a single gay bar was harmed.

            God seems to really like us in all your proclaimed retributive disasters, but he sure hates all your Churches.

            Check out the tornado the destroyed Joplin Missouri.. 800 churches flattened, but 3 gay bars left standing…

          • Cuberly

            I can take off my underwear without removing my pants first, wanna see?

          • Well, I certainly do!

          • Cuberly

            Ha! Well, road trip! 😉

          • ultragreen

            Wrong again. Connecticut has a below-average murder rate in the United States. The Bible-belt has the highest murder rate.

          • medaka

            Did you notice what happened in Sandy Hook

            Yeah, your motherfucking god killed a lot of innocent children. He’s good at that, huh.

          • JCF

            OK, I’m done. Bitch, you’re FLAGGED. How DARE you bring up murdered children to support your homophobic hate? You’re a disgrace. How can you live w/ yourself? Oh, you have NO conscience, that’s how. Joe, KICK HER OUT!!!

          • Art Studio

            Wow, you are a fundamental hater.

          • Orly

            Hint: Your god is a made up being. It doesn’t exist.

          • Goodboy

            Your fairy tale is as real as Hairy Potter ie nothing at all to turn my back on.

          • ultragreen

            That’s odd, because the many nations in the world that respect gay rights are more prosperous and educated than those nations that don’t respect gay rights. Nations that don’t respect gay rights are usually shit-holes that people are attempting to leave.

          • JustSayin’

            it also does not say one nation under hypocritical religious bitches, but then you came here illegally and want to make it that way.

          • Jonathan

            Woman, Kim Davis is a filthy whore so if you wish to take up perversion with someone, start with the hillbilly idiot that chose to be in jail.

          • Sk3ptic

            Jezebel, even!

          • Lumpy Gaga

            the same as you turn your back

            I’m a top, thangyewverymuch.

      • JustSayin

        No actually it doesn’t.

      • Paula

        They weren’t talking about jeebus, they were referring to the Great Klaar. jeebus isn’t real.

      • Orly

        No you moron, the Constitution does not say that. Anywhere.

      • j.martindale

        Sweetheart, find some neanderthal to suckle under and leave us alone.

      • ultragreen

        “One nation under God”

        Nope, it’s nowhere in the U.S. Constitution. The constitution does prohibit, however, government establishment of religion, which was exactly what Kim Davis was attempting to do.

    • Sientje Seinen

      J. martindale the lord God has forbidden same sex unions, it is an abomination. as she reveres the Lord in her heart, therefore cannot go against the will of the Almighty whom cannot walk with sin and says homosexuality is punishable by death. and you want her to disobey the Lord God the creator of heaven and earth, His wrath will also come upon you or anyone whom condones gays sexual unions. repent. Is it not one nation under God?” or is it now one nation under queers?

      • JustSayin’

        nope he hasn’t,,,, and even if he had this is America and your religious belief is relegated to the trash that you are. Your belief means nothing, and discriminating against people based on your religion is ILLEGAL… just like you.

        • Sientje Seinen

          lol trash when homosexuals use sodomy amongst one another, where is you nobility by letting Kim keep her job and tell yourselves yes you are wrong, the Lord God has forbidden same sex unions and we do not want His wrath to come upon America.

          • JustSayin’

            NO he did not, those words exist in NO bibles in print or out of print.

            Your hatred and bile however are all over the internet.

            What we REAL Americans want, as opposed to you illegal alien bitches, is for YOU to stop telling your lies.

            This is a SECULAR Nation, if you want a theocracy smuggle yourself into an ISIS country.

            Kim is losing her job on her own. She refuses to OBEY the LAW, which your OWN GOD says she must do..

            BTW the word Sodomy means any sex besides missionary position sex, and as repulsive as it is to think about you must have had a least one clown go down on that dried up thing you call a pussy, and that would be SODOMY!

          • Lumpy Gaga

            lol trash when homosexuals use sodomy amongst one another, where is you nobility

            Nobility comes from a good, thorough douche beforehand.

      • Jonathan

        The Lord God didn’t say shit to you, you’re a fucking mental case and you should be heavily medicated for your delusions and your mindless obedience to made up mythical bullshit.

      • JCF

        Lies.

    • Sientje Seinen

      okay the constitution says “one nation under God” and since He has forbidden same sex marriages, is she not doing the right thing by upholding the law of God it is you people whom do not revere the Lord in your heart that want your own evil desires as a law, why are bowing down to homosexual wicked desires, when the Lord God has forbidden same?

      • bkmn

        So your god is better than my god that says same sex marriage is good? Whose god wins?

        • Sk3ptic

          Yours does because we say so!

      • Sk3ptic

        NO. IT. DOESN’T.

      • JustSayin’

        you cannot read, the constitution does not say that… NOWHERE in that document is that phrase.

        In fact all of the authors and signers explicitly stated that the US is NOT a religious country.. learn something and quit lying.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        why are bowing down to homosexual wicked desires

        In Soviet Russia, homosexual wicked desires bow down before YOU!

    • Goodboy

      You know normally I say ignore the trolls but allot of you really busted this ones (Sientje Seinen) balls good. Really explored their hypocrisy and ignorance well:)

    • Sientje Seinen

      not trying to prevent anything. trying to make you see the Light that God has forbidden same and that you are mocking Christ;s redeeming Work as He is the Light of the World and you refuse to come to Him as tHe Light shines in the darkness and will expose your works. instead you are asking for God’s wrath to come upon you and your country.

    • Sientje Seinen

      the federal courts believe they own America, is not written “The earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereoff” there time will come also as it is written “behold the righteous man is like a tree, Which by the streams does yield fruit abundantly, Whose leaves are green and shall not fade or perish.On all he does the righteous ones shall flourish, but wicked men are not like him, for they, resemble chaff that winds will drive away.

  • David From Canada

    Hey guys, on another note, I just received an email from, of all people, Dick Cheney, who started out by saying, “Fellow Conservative” (?!). He went on to say that he will send me a signed copy of his new book that he and his wife, Liz, wrote if I will donate $59.99 to the Republican National Committee.
    Dick, are you really that desperate that you have to send this propaganda to Canadians?!
    No thanks, Dick and Liz.

    • lizdhm

      That would be a violation of federal elections laws.

    • oikos
    • William

      Does Canada permit hazardous material to be shipped through the mail?

    • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

      Liz is his daughter, who is in politics also and with whom he has been doing TV interviews. Lynn is his wife and keeps a low profile most of the time.

      • BobSF_94117

        Right. Liz writes absurd right wing polemics. Lynn writes lesbian soft-core porn.

        • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

          Mary’s the lesbian (his other daughter).

          • Yes, but mom really does write lesbian soft-core porn.

          • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

            Oh my

          • BobSF_94117

            Right, but her mom — also Liz’s mom obviously — is the porn-writer in the family. Her frontier-women stuff is the stuff of hot, sweaty nights, drippy nights under a reading lamp. Well, not for me, but for some.

            Of course, it was written back when Cheney was a relative moderate, before he realized that the road to world domination lay in manipulating the “family values” crowd.

        • lattebud

          Lynn is the mean one… er the meanest one.

    • Gustav2

      Wouldn’t that be one of them there foreigner contributions?

    • olandp

      Wouldn’t it be illegal for you to do that, after all, Hillary’s campaign sold some t-shirts to Canadians and that is worth sending her to prison.

  • William

    Rowan County needs to appoint an acting clerk, to make sure everything done in the office is legal. It looks like Ms Davis will not be coming in to work for a while.

    • KCMC

      was reported today that she’s requested her name removed from forms

      • D. J.

        she also requested that the judge not hold her in contempt until her lawsuit against the governor ran its course……
        We now know how well that went over with the judge…..

      • bambinoitaliano

        How can she had it both way? As a state employee she cannot decide on her own to remove her name unless she resign or she is remove by the state government. She can’t demand to have her name remove and remain an employee of the state. No?

      • sfbob

        Her request can certainly be honored. All she has to do is resign.Once she’s no longer the county clerk her name will magically disappear from the marriage license forms. Problem solved.

        • Bad Tom

          She would also get out of jail.
          But, she doesn’t want that.

          • RoFaWh

            She does love her some big salary!

      • AmericanPaPISSED

        Someone posted the forms earlier and her name isn’t even on it!

      • Piet

        I saw the photo of the forms someone posted here on another thread. Her name doesn’t appear anywhere on the form at all, that I could see. And the space for the attesting signature gives a specific blank to be filled in by the “_____ Clerk”, which could be a Deputy or Assistant as well as the elected County Clerk. She’s full of something.

    • lattebud

      Declare her “absent” and Kentucky law permits the Judge Executive of the county or the Deputy County Clerk (I forgot) to serve as County Clerk.

      BTW – With her locked up, is she burning vacation time for this? Would the county give her a leave of absence? Isn’t this job abandonment?

  • Octoberfurst

    “Kim Davis the Martyr.” I’m sure she loves that title. She is no doubt reveling in the fact that she is now a folk hero to millions of Bible-thumping morons everywhere.
    She says is not going to resign her job and is going to stay in jail “for as long as it takes” until the Judge gives in. Good for you Kimmy. But I wonder if, after her 15 minutes of fame is up and she has been locked in a cell the size of a bathroom and eating crappy prison food for several months, that she won’t get really sick of being locked up. I wonder how happy she will be then? But hey, if this is what she wants then so be it. She can rot there for all I care.

    • Christopher Smith

      But, you see, this is all part of Liberty Counsel’s and Matty Staver’s little plan to rake in the moolah. Hating for dollars. She had to go to jail so there could be a ghostwritten piece of pulp called a ‘book.’

      • Octoberfurst

        Oh I have NO doubt she has visions of a book deal and touring the Religious Right circuit if and when she is released. She is gonna milk this for all it is worth.

      • Goodboy

        Basically, they’ve sidestepped their plan though which threatens their Martyrdom so Liberty Fucktards need to step it up.

  • AtticusP

    The baby Jesus must be so proud…

    The rest of us think you’re a slag.

  • Stev84

    Let her rot in jail then

  • DaddyRay
  • Ronald Reagan is Dead!

    Kim Davis resign now!

    • Wynter Marie Starr

      And, of course, Rosa Parks was a very carefully chosen hero. She was an intelligent, well respected woman. But not the first to refuse to move to the back of the bus. Her real story is even more interesting than the watered down version we teach youngsters.

      • Strepsi

        The first to get arrested for refusing to cede her seat was Claudette Colvin, but the NAACP didn’t publicize it because she was 15 and pregnant. Can you imagine the white bitch who demanded a pregnant woman’s seat?

        http://www.thevisibilityproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/claudette-colvin.jpg

        • Wynter Marie Starr

          I can’t. Having been pregnant I wouldn’t have gotten up either. It’s not very comfortable during your last months. Ms. Parks was carefully chosen to be that symbol, that face of a hard working woman whose feet hurt. (Which they might have, but it certainly wasn’t the reason she refused to move.) Ms. Parks is a genuine hero in my eyes. Davis is a genuine ass.

  • Steve

    Davis is willfully breaking her the sworn oath to god taken when entering office.

    Isn’t she going to hell for that? Her statements are the nonsensical ramblings of an imbecile who deserves nothing but ridicule. Hopefully she’ll remain locked up for many years.

    Here’s part of her oath:

    “I will not knowingly or willingly commit any malfeasance of office, and
    will faithfully execute the duties of my office without favor, affection
    or partiality, so help me God.”

    • Her sworn oath is to the state and people of Kentucky, not to God. Tacking that godtalk on the end is bullshit.

      • Piet

        She still, by her standards, swore an oath to God and she is still, if she were paying attention to her own standards, is forsworn, an oathbreaker, and destined to writhe.

  • Wesinoregon

    She needs one of those exorcisms we see on here sometimes. She would be perfect for the part.

  • Justin

    She’d best adjust to being there for a bit, then. I imagine if she keeps this up, the judge may start levying fines, too. Good.

  • Cuberly
  • Wynter Marie Starr

    What. A. Bitch.

    • William

      She is certified Charm-Free.

  • NancyP

    The next thing that should happen is that her salary ought to be stopped when she runs out of vacation time. Then hubby #4 is going to have to decide which bills to pay, because I have the feeling that she is like the majority of Americans in living well over or at least up to her means, however you manage to do that in a place with as low cost-of-living as Morehead KY.

    Then we will see 1. how long she holds out without a paycheck coming in , and 2. how long the son holds out, and 3. how long hubby sticks around when the money is tight.

    • olandp

      A tripple-wide?

  • Bill

    This poor fool is still too stupid to understand that once Staver has earned what he needs from this, he’ll move on to the next fool.

    It is unfortunate that a subscription to religion requires one to abandon common sense and basic decency.

  • SockMikey

    Anything to obstruct & make sure others can’t go against the County Clerk Queen, Kim.

    Lawsuit after lawsuit, she’s got one pending against Gov. Beshear for instructing Counties to follow the SCOTUS decision.

    Kentucky clerk suing Gov. Steve Beshear over order to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ky-clerk-suing-governor-same-sex-marriage-order-article-1.2315864

    ********

    http://www.kentucky.com/2015/09/04/4019876_live-updates-county-clerk-continues.html?rh=1

    Rowan County Attorney Cecil Watkins has previously dismissed that argument, saying deputy clerks can issue valid marriage licenses without the approval of their boss.

    http://www.kentucky.com/2015/09/04/4019876_live-updates-county-clerk-continues.html?rh=1

    Rowan County Judge-Executive Walter “Doc” Blevins passively watched the crowds outside his courthouse chanting and singing, and the news crews doing live stand-ups, and said he wished “it would all end soon.”

    “The portrayal of our community from all of this has not been entirely flattering, frankly,” Blevins said. “We’d rather be known for our beauty and Cave Run Lake and our university, not for this.”

    “If Kim will just agree to come back and do her duty, then she would get out of
    jail,” Blevins said. “The keys to her cell are in her own hands. But I don’t think she’s going to back down.”

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/dominicholden/kentucky-clerks-name-left-off-marriage-licenses-validity-que#.sypZ3027eP

    In this marriage license issued Friday, in the the field for the “name” of the clerk, a deputy clerk simply added the words “Rowan County.” The home address of the parties, Robert Blankenship and Jesse Cruz, has been redacted.

    However, Chief Deputy Roberta Eaerly told BuzzFeed News, “As a group we decided to issue [the licenses] from Rowan County.”

    *****

    Interesting to see how this plays out.

    • BobSF_94117

      “Rowan County” isn’t the name of a clerk.

      Anyone who really, really needs to be unquestionably legally married right now (medical, financial emergency) shouldn’t rely on one of these licenses.

      • This certificate (marriage license) is not proof of any wedding having taken place — it is legal permission that a wedding may take place. Proof of the wedding and existence of a legal marriage is a state issued Marriage Certificate. The original will be filed with the county on behalf of the state. The state issues certified copies.

        • BobSF_94117

          Right, but a Marriage Certificate obtained with an invalid marriage license is problematic.

          • Piet

            I’d bet that one of the things ACLU is including in its suit is regularization of any and all licenses issued during her obstruction.

  • Michael Smith

    Oh but this has nothing to do with homosexuals or hating anybody.

  • Christopher Smith

    Love the MLK comparison, Matty. Yes, this bigoted toad is just like all the civil rights martyrs of the past–just a few more Dingdongs and Hohos.

  • James

    So, ok, let’s assume she doesn’t resign and she continues to refuse to comply with the law. Then what? How long can she be kept in the slammer?

    • bambinoitaliano

      As long as it takes. I wonder if the state government can proceed to impeach her and clear away the legal matter with the issuing of marriage license.

      • James

        That’s delicious. What if she is impeached and she’s relieved of her position? Does that mean she gets released?

        • bambinoitaliano

          I would assume so since she’s no longer the employee of the state, jailing her will no longer serve any purpose. But good luck with the impeachment. It will be another constipated process.

        • danolgb

          Yes.. as long as she is the authority with the responsibility to issue licenses and she refuses, she sits in jail. My concern is the legislature comes in and changes the rules so drastically that it send everything back to the courts. It seems slim that they will impeach her.

      • zhera

        Somebody should make it clear for the state politicians that for every day Kim Davis is allowed to ignore the law, the state will lose revenue from weddings and tourism. Let’s remind them of Indiana and how well their ‘religious liberty’ went over with the rest of the country.

        • bambinoitaliano

          Is Kentucky big on tourism and hosting events? Besides it’s only a couple of counties that went rogue. Not enough to have the masses to boycott the entire state.

    • LonelyLiberal

      Fourteen years was the limit on a contempt charge so far. I’d say that to be a real martyr, Kim needs to set the new record. See you next Tuesday? Screw that. See you in 2029.

  • bambinoitaliano

    More likely This is what Mat Staver had her said. I would like to check her bank account if not her husband and children bank accounts. Someone deposited some money between last month and now.

  • Jim

    It’s a simple matter for the county attorney to ask a state judge to declare these marriage licenses valid and order the state to recognize them. That would end this little tempest in a teacup and pretty much put Davis and Liberty Counsel out of business since there would be no dispute. Courts, not clerks, settle legal issues.

  • DaveMiller135

    OK, now I’m ready for her to do some real time.

    • William

      Leavenworth is nice this time of year.

      • KCMC

        hot and dusty today

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Or as they call it in Tehran, “Tuesday”

      • Bluto

        I’m thinkin’ Evin Prison in Tehran. I’m sure they have a martyrs wing.

    • danolgb

      She’ll most likely stay in the county jail for the duration. I don’t think they’ll put forth the effort to process her into the federal system.

      • DaveMiller135

        Still, as I understand it, there is no condition she can meet to get out, it’s just the judge’s punishment for her already completed acts of contempt of court. There are plenty who shouldn’t rot in jail; she ain’t one of them.

        This statement makes clear, to my mind, that she wants to prevent gay people from marrying, not to keep her hands out of it. And, on an ad hominem note, the “neener neener” dog-in-the-manger style suggests that she hasn’t matured personally a jot or a tittle since junior high school.

        • danolgb

          She can get out at any time if she resigns or if agrees to perform her duties. That’s how civil contempt works. As long as she is in contempt, she is in jail. When conditions change that she is no longer in contempt, due to her compliance or outside factors, she will be released.

  • JT

    KY is fast becoming the pariah state because of KKKim and the failure of others in the state to impeach her.

  • Gerry Fisher

    Keep it up, Kim! You’re spewing such bilious PR that even a Republican legislature will throw you under the bus pretty soon…and back over you three or four times just to make sure.

  • I watched it live. Here’s my take on it:

    LIVE Transcript of today’s Liberty Counsel Kim Davis Presser from the jail.

    Matt Staver speaking, introduces himself, Liberty Counsel. Attorneys introducing themselves. Christ, two of them are nerds. I own the same blue tie as one of them. Grey hair one is hot and so is the otter. Staver speaking now. He visited Davis and she says all is well, slept well, good spirits. Prisoner of her conscience. Loves God and kittens and ‘Murica. She had tough life. Even though she knew where to find the boys and the booze, God cleansed her whoring pussy at the wish of her dying mother in law. Now she’s forgiven. He’s repeating her statement from the other day about how much she loves the people of Rowan County and that she’s been their faithful servant in this two-bit back street town for 27 god damned years and she better get the respect she’s entitled too. She can’t issue a marriage license that authorizes marriage contrary to God’s design for marriage because God, hell and the annals of Kentucky history. She’s not resigning and she’s not leaving jail. Don’t fuck with her fellas, this may be her first time at the rodeo, but she’s prepared for the long haul. She’s wearing orange, but didn’t say if it was a sleeveless jumper with a 4x long sleeve t-shirt underneath. She’s content without remorse. She says the licenses issued are void. “Not worth the paper they are written on.” Now they are grandstanding saying they offered that the form would remove her name and title. (LIES see attached pic.) More grandstanding. They won’t accommodate her request to remove her name from the form. Claims Bunning set this up, charade, dog and pony show. It’s totes a conspiracy and Bunning had the jail dudes ready to haul her off to the pokey before she even got there. Will appeal the contempt ruling and peruse writ of habeas corpus, or Corpus Christi, or E Pluribus Unum or something. In other words, we can all fuck off and die, they are not surrendering, the rally is coming this Saturday and they are going to tear down that bitch of a bearing wall and put a window where it ought to be. He’s saying her religious objection should have been accommodated and this was an unconstitutional action. Says Bunning threatened the clerks with his enormous federal judge penis and did not have jurisdiction to do so, but Davis doesn’t have animosity toward the clerks. Now, he’s answering soft ball questions from the “journalists” -give me strength-. Asked if he’s profiting from the case. His answer: “Would you ask that question of the ACLU? His hubris is egregious. Blaming it on the Governor for not issuing an EO. Now he’s yammering that the KY legislature has to make new laws that meet the standard of the SCOTUS ruling. Asked how can you ignore a court order? He won’t answer, references Gavin Newsome. He’s just repeating the same talking points. Reinforces that she won’t resign, won’t sacrifice her conscience, references MLK letter from Birmingham Jail ==> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… . Note: She’s just like MLK. MLK! Says Bunning will give her a week then, bring her back in to re assess. Hold her at least until Tuesday because of the holiday weekend. He’s still pressing the issue her name is on the licenses, then acknowledges her name is sometimes not, but it’s under her authority. Obama! Drink! He’s whining now that’s she’s a victim. Says God invented the appellate court. Bunning is not the last word. Plugging Liberty Counsel now. She’s in cell 151, in isolation and reading the Bible because of course she is. She hasn’t made any new friends. He’s again saying that Bunning had this planned in advance. Lawyer from the Family Foundation, the authors of the KY anti SSM bill is speaking. Kim is a victim, but she has not done anything wrong. Blaming it on the Governor. Again. Christ, they’re pissed at the Governor, and he needs to be investigated. It’s over. A burning bush has appeared and then the lawyers danced around it and jerked each other off. OK, I added that part. Thhhhhhaaaattt’s All Folks!

    God Bless ‘Murica!

    • billbear1961

      :O

      🙂

      • Pierre

        Great!

    • Pure gold!

    • canoebum

      HAHAHAHAHA!

    • LADY MABELINE

      that was fucking brilliant. It made my weekend.

    • Chucktech

      I think the most shocking thing you just wrote is that she hasn’t made ANY news friends. I’m just shocked! I just can’t imagine why not? Not ONE?? That’s just so mean… Sorry, I’m… just a little emotional right now…

      • She’s in isolation. Alone. Like Jesus. In his tomb.

        • Chucktech

          Well, fuck, that lasted only 3 days! No, she’s gonna be in there a bit longer than that…

          • Sientje Seinen

            when you obey and love the Lord Christ Jesus, you are never alone as He surrounds you with His love, so sorry that you gays do not know this kind of love, only earthly perverted lusts how sad repent and ask the Lord to create a clean spirit and heart within you.

          • JustSayin

            Moronic troll

          • j.martindale

            I thought to respond, but you said it all.

          • Sk3ptic

            Have you let Jesus in you?

          • Sientje Seinen

            Jesus knows me, but am wondering does He know you? and yes I know His Word which He brings into remembrance when beset with trials like homosexuals not wanting to repent and being called names by them, have homosexuals accepted Christ as their Lord and saviour and repented of their sinfull lifestyle? does not much seem like it, instead they mock Christ suffering whom sealed the new covenant with His blood. repent

          • JustSayin’

            by your religion GOD made us gay, and he will be mightily pissed off that you are trying to harm us.

          • Sk3ptic

            Does he know you biblically?

          • ultragreen

            Sorry, there’s nothing to repent. Now go away, little troll.

          • McSwagg
          • Sientje Seinen

            no actually apple cider works a lot better, didnt know they still sold snake oil in the wild west, but did you know that the serpent in the garden was once an angel, whom became proud as God had blessed him with beauty so he rebelled against the Lord God and was kicked out of heaven having great wrath, so I think he may have found you to be quite useful to his cause to fight against those whom do believe in the Lord God of Israel and Christ Jesus whom He sent to call everyone to repentance

          • McSwagg

            Not interested in your fairy tales.

          • Sientje Seinen

            bet you still believe in Santa claus and reindeer riding through the sky. lol and dont you open up presents at Christmas believing santa thought you were jolly good that year. lololol

          • McSwagg

            Why would I believe in the myth of Santa Claus when I reject your myths. The only presents I open at the celebration of the Winter Solstice have been given to me by actual people who care about me. You are completely nuts.

          • ultragreen

            No thank-you, we don’t want to be anything like you. You’re a bad advertisement for Christianity. It’s people like you who give Christianity a bad name.

          • Cuberly

            I love love love peanut brittle, you?

          • Lumpy Gaga

            I spent $4K out of pocket this Summer for an Echo and Nuc Stress Test. My heart’s just fine.

          • JustSayin’

            The voices in your head are keeping you company… great, now go sit in a corner and converse with them quietly while the adults have a conversation.

          • Chucktech

            Sweetie, Jesus Christ is probably the single biggest hoax that has ever been perpetrated on the peoples of this planet.

            But if Jesus floats your superstitious, child-like boat, you just go ahead and enjoy your delusion, OK?

        • Lumpy Gaga

          The original man-cave.

    • Jonathan

      Better than being there! That was great.

    • Pierre

      I mean, GREAT!

    • BlueberriesForMe

      James Joyce would be proud.

    • Mark_in_MN

      On the accusation that that it was a set-up by Bunning, does he really think (or really think everyone else will believe) that federal courts don’t have a bunch of federal marshals around all the time, that they normally aren’t there unless specific arrangements are made? Does he think that judges and federal marshals don’t plan for high profile cases that get lots of attention from the public or the media? Does he really think people will fall for that one?

    • Cuberly

      No animosity towards the clerks. Riiiiiiight….

      http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/klavvnxnnk0nhuwrxwtd.gif

    • LADY MABELINE

      A classic.

  • billbear1961

    Why doesn’t the County Judge Executive SIGN them?!

    • SockMikey

      One would think that would have been the logical solution.

      Since I believe the law provides for him to do this in the County Clerk’s absence.

      http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/09/03/kim_davis_anti_gay_kentucky_clerk_held_in_contempt_of_court.html

      Under Kentucky law, a county’s judge executive may issue marriage licenses “in the absence of the county clerk.” Presuming Davis is jailed, then, the judge executive may step in to help the gay couples who faced the brunt of Davis’ discrimination.

      It’s not like he’s unavailable…

      http://www.kentucky.com/2015/09/04/4019876_live-updates-county-clerk-continues.html?rh=1

      Rowan County Judge-Executive Walter “Doc” Blevins passively watched the
      crowds outside his courthouse chanting and singing, and the news crews
      doing live stand-ups, and said he wished “it would all end soon.”

      “If Kim will just agree to come back and do her duty, then she would get out of
      jail,” Blevins said. “The keys to her cell are in her own hands. But I don’t think she’s going to back down.”

      Blevins is also the subject of a lawsuit (Don’t know it’s status?)
      http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/Gay-couple-denied-marriage-license-three-times-sues-Rowan-County-Clerk-Kim-Davis-323488531.html

      The lawsuit was filed Aug. 25 in U.S. District Court by William Smith Jr. and James Yates, but a summons was delivered Monday to Rowan County Judge Executive Walter Blevins, who is named as a defendant with Davis and the county. Other defendants, including Davis, were expected to be served this week, attorneys have told WKYT.

      The lawsuit says Davis and Rowan County “willfully, intentionally, and with deliberate indifference” to the couple’s rights established a custom or policy to “refuse to issue marriage licenses to individuals eligible to marry in order to deny such individuals, including Smith and Yates, their Constitutional right to marry.”

      • billbear1961

        He should be less “passive” and start signing marriage licenses!

        • David L. Caster

          I’m wondering now if he is elected too.

          • billbear1961

            Everyone’s been saying he was willing to sign them, perhaps “if ordered to.” THAT part–about being ordered to–I don’t remember, David.

            But I do remember him saying, when the couples went to him for help, which he ever so politely refused: “The courts will decide this.”

            Frankly, it is beyond incredible that ONE petty, stupid, VULGAR fucking NOBODY official, who is obviously violating the law–and I mean the Establishment Clause as well as citizens’ civil rights as established by Obergefell–can be allowed to paralyze government in this way.

            It is an ugly, enraging and immoral FARCE!!

            Citizens’ civil rights have been violated, repeatedly and egregiously; and she has made it VERY clear she intends to CONTINUE violating them.

            The injured couples deserve to be awarded substantial damages in their lawsuits against her and the county!!

            Until their constitutionally guaranteed rights are, without the slightest hesitation, fully respected, they should sue and sue AGAIN!

            Sue the CHRIST out of her and those who enable her, and that includes the state government which is not holding her ACCOUNTABLE!!

          • Pierre

            Yes, he is.

          • David L. Caster

            I’m guessing that explains the pass the buck attitude. Wouldn’t want to get any duty on himself and maybe be voted out next time by incurring the wrath of the Davis clan.

  • canoebum

    Wait till Sunday comes and she finds out not only is there no church, but there’s no going to Krispy Kreme either.

    • Indeed. A hot doughnut means something entirely different in prison.

      • Snarkaholic

        I hope that everyone in her cell block completely empties all of the vending machines…immediately after they’re refilled…so she doesn’t get any snacks…and that they make a point of eating it all in front of her.

  • I suppose tomorrow we can expect Mat to have a press release announcing the publication of her “Ballad of Carter County Gaol.”

    • Snarkaholic

      Didn’t she already publish ‘Letters From A Rowan County Jail’?

      Letter #1: Don’t let the icky gays marry, or I’ll fire all of your asses! P.S. Send food!

      Letter #2: Don’t let the icky gays marry, or I’ll fire all of your asses! P.S. Send food!

      Etc.

  • Dale Snyder

    This is getting good. I haven’t eaten popcorn in years, but I might just have to break down and get some at Giant Eagle tonight.

    This statement coming from:

    1) A serial adulterer according to Jesus Christ.

    2) An obese sinful glutton and

    3) A whore who fucked and got impregnated by a man while “christian” married to another man!

    I fucking LOVE this!

    • danolgb

      Keep dental floss on hand. Those hulls sneak up on you.

      • Dale Snyder

        Ha Ha! I forgot about those nasty hulls!

        I”ll pick up some floss with the popcorn.

        • pierre denerome

          We’re in MDR CA 90292,could you bring some for us?
          S’il-vous-plait Dale.

          • pierre denerome

            Dale,please use the back door and ask for moi Miss Rainbow.

          • Dale Snyder

            LOL!

    • BlueberriesForMe

      I hadn’t heard of Giant Eagle before. Is that the main supermarket/grocery chain where you live?

      • ClevelandJim

        It is in this area. Dale, you in NE Ohio?

        • Dale Snyder

          Yes, Northfield – about 13 miles southeast of Cleveland.

          Hello, neighbor!

          • David F.

            Hi neighbors – Akron here.

      • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

        They’re big in OH & PA, but not as big as Kroger’s.

      • Dale Snyder

        Yes, Northfield Ohio, about 13 miles southeast of Cleveland.

    • Here’s a Giant Eagle for you! Back in Pittsburgh where I’m from we call it ” Gian Iggle”

      http://i.giphy.com/D1xYPPbnD9uJq.gif

      • Dale Snyder

        LOL! It’s Gon Iggle elsewhere as well.

      • Bluto

        I was at Gian Iggle this afternoon & noticed that the standard size box of microwave popcorn is now 6 bags instead of 3. Everyone’s cashing in.

  • To be honest they should have put her name on the document. If she wants to act like she is still in charge then put the name on the document. I also don’t understand why this hasn’t been settled 100% by this point. Someone need to step in and give a 100% definitive, yes these are valid.

    • billbear1961

      Yes, Bill, it’s exasperating that we STILL don’t know for sure.

      • Schlukitz

        Look at all the power that this bitch is still weilding,..from a jail cell, no less!

        393 comments…on this one thread alone.

        Gentlemen, I do believe that we have another Unsinkable Molly Brown on our hands here.

    • Pierre

      The Rowan County attorney did just that but who knows how informed he is given all these rinky dinks running the place.

  • Chucktech

    Yeah, well a federal judge says otherwise, you fetid christianist pondscum, but, hey, let’s just pile on even more lawsuits against your hateful, ugly, god-besotted ass.

  • rabbit_ears

    Leave her in prison until the day after the next election so she can’t run again, then fine her for every day she missed work.

  • danolgb

    I think in the interest of everyone, a state court judge needs to make a determination on whether they are legally valid. That should shut her up.

    • Bluto

      One would think, however…

    • Schlukitz

      Total waste of time.

      That would just give her another reason for yet another appeal.

      • danolgb

        Not really. It wouldn’t be against her per se. Just a summary judgement on the validity of the licenses.

        • Schlukitz

          I was being more facetious than factual.

  • Michael Senesac

    Her signature does NOT need to be on the license per Kentucky Statue.

  • Nexus1

    Why is she unhappy that the licenses have been issued without her signature? I thought she didn’t object to the couples getting licenses as long as her signature wasn’t on the license? It almost sounds like she doesn’t want them to be able to get married at all. Now that couldn’t be right, could it? See this is why this woman is not a sympathetic figure to anyone outside of the bigoted fringe. She is obstinate and she is acting like she owns that county clerks office and like the entire county is hers to command. She is a dictator wannabe and more people are able to see it day by day.

    • Gustav2

      I know, it almost sounds that way doesn’t it.

    • canoebum

      Queen Bee, and don’t you forget it!

    • Exactly, every development of this story has demonstrated very clearly that this isn’t about her wanting accommodation but rather her wanting to prevent gay people from getting married in “her” county. Even if she doesn’t issue it and her name isn’t on the license she still objects.

  • Gustav2

    SHE is still Queen of the County, even though her throne is stainless steel at the moment.

    • danolgb

      PLEASE! Stop putting icky visuals in my head.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      “Get your ass off there! I’m making wine, you dumb bitch!”

  • JT

    Kim Davis now wears an orange jumpsuit and “has already been doing Bible studies with herself”

    Pix of the bimbo in the orange jumpsuit please.

    She’s been doing bible studies with herself. She probably thinks she can learn a lot from herself.

    • zhera

      She’ll be wearing orange next time she’s in court, right?

    • ClevelandJim

      Is she going to sue the state & federal guvmint for making her wear a jumpsuit? That’s against her religion, too, according to what we’ve learned about the Apostolic sect here this week–demure skirts only!

      • JT
        • Bluto

          Looks like a Wookie lineup.

          • rabbit_ears

            Or would that be a Wookette lineup?

        • ClevelandJim

          the tiered, ruffled ones are quite…”festive,” albeit a bit showy (shameless!)

          i bet that hair gets into EVERYTHING.

          • Piet

            I keep looking at that skanky hair and wondering why her religion doesn’t seem to want her to tie it up in some sort of hygienic fashion so it doesn’t drag in the bullshit when she walks around.

          • Snarkaholic

            When they do that, it’s a lot harder to shake the lice out.

          • Snarkaholic

            I can see their skankles! What a bunch of sloots!

    • delk

      Doing bible studies. Isn’t that what Josh called what he did with his sisters?

  • vorpal

    This is where the truth comes out: she couldn’t care less about “protecting her religious liberties”… it’s all about anti-gay animus and withholding rights and protections from gay people because she is a hateful and evil shrew.

    • Indeed. She’s in prison and still spewing “not worth the paper they’re written on” vitriol. How Christian of her. Biznatch.

    • Yup…if it was just about protecting her own non-involvement then she wouldn’t care as long as she was left out of the process. She has completely undermined her own case here and undermined any PR that the other side is trying to do.

      • vorpal

        Exactly! She has not had to violate her Christian so-called “morals” and now we see her real intentions behind all of this.

        Once again, it’s all about the two biggest Christian values: hate and hypocrisy. (Hatepocrisy?)

        • Sientje Seinen

          you are dumb the christian listen to Jesus Christ whom said “hear O Israel the Lord thy God is One. and the first commandment is “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, mind and soul, and the second like to love your neighbor as oneself.”: gays are incapable of loving their neighbor as themselves as the love of God is not within their hearts as He has forbidden same sex unions. calls it an abomination, punishable by death. a christian loves the Lord God and listens to Christ whom made the Lord God known to us, as He and the Father are one, and gave His life to redeem us from our sinfull ways, since homosexuals reject this therefore they like the pharisees whom also rejected Christ grace they sought to kill him, so homosexuals go after those whom have the love of God within their hearts. repent

          • Amanda B. Rekendwith

            You are so sad it’s almost funny.

          • JustSayin’

            great pic!

          • JustSayin

            Jesus never said a single negative thing about gay people but he did heal the pais a.k.a. male lover of a centurion and did so happily.

          • Sk3ptic

            Silly little idiot. You still believe in fairy tales. And did you learn your English at a christian school?

          • Sientje Seinen

            lol no, actually went to a one room school house like Abraham lincoln, surprised? and wasnt America then blessed by the Lord God, instead of now being a heathen nation?

          • JustSayin’

            nope you are still a heathen and your lack of education is brilliantly on display.

          • Sk3ptic

            Not surprised. I understand you are an illegal alien!

          • vorpal

            Nope. Seems to me that the problem isn’t LGBT people failing to love their neighbour, but rather Christians failing to allow people to exercise their supposed invisible, nonexistent god-given free will.

            I don’t care that your god has forbidden same sex unions, eating shrimp, eating pork, shaving, or refusing not to murder disobedient children. By all means, as long as your idiotic mythology doesn’t infringe on my civil rights, live our your nonsense: stop expecting me to follow suit. I am not interested in your childish fables. I try to live in reality.

            (Oh, and toots… when you earn your PhD in math, come back and call me dumb. Until then, I’m pretty sure I have the educational credentials to provide evidence that I’m probably smarter than you are.)

          • A year or so ago I got caught up in an online “discussion” with a christer who kept babbling on, quoting from the Wholly Babble, or rather misquoting just like our delusional friend here . After three or four exchanges I came to the conclusion that it was fruitless using logic and reason (or reality) with somebody who wouldn’t know logic and reason if it bit them on the ass .
            The entire Yeshua myth is not only stolen borrowed from earlier myths it is so full of holes and inconsistencies that I find it hard to believe that any thinking rational person is able to swallow such superstitious hogswallop.

            I find it very telling that the higher the I.Q. the less likely it is that you will be “religious”. While I have done some pretty dumb things in my life, my I.Q. is 163…just sayin’

          • vorpal

            I find it amusing and comical, which is why I engage. If I wasn’t personally amused, I wouldn’t bother, as people like our little friend Sientje here are vanishingly unlikely to change their minds on the subject. Having grown up in Canada where the vast majority of Christians are liberal, it is constantly a source of disbelief that people like this actually exist.

            No matter how smart one is, we all do dumb things once in awhile. That being said, neither you nor I have built our entire lives on a foundation of ancient, self-contradicting mythological stupidity that constantly defies every experience of reality and physics as seen in accurate historical records.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            gays are incapable of loving their neighbor as themselves

            You got that right. There’s one bastard in this building who won’t carry his trash from the back door to the dumpsters. I swear, every time, that I won’t enable, but then you get “broken window” syndrome, and by the time the private contractors come to pick up, it just pisses them off and they have a talent for leaving a “not my job” mess behind them.

            Straight people. Amirite?

          • OMG I went to a public school just like Ronald Reagan! Ergo fish are people too!

          • Steve Teeter

            My mother is a Christian and she would disagree with you.

          • rabbit_ears

            Yeah we’re all so happy you dropped by to spread that old time “Christian” love and all that crap, but you can go now. Don’t call us, we won’t call you.

        • DN

          Hey so FWIW, I read one of your comments on the Breitbart article… I’m also in a binational couple, only I’m not the American. I don’t even stick my head up on that topic anymore, because I’ve been swatted at too many times for not actually being an American.

          Of course, now that I *am* an American, I wonder if those same people swatting at me would consider me as American as them. And (of course) I am 🙂

          • vorpal

            Thanks for contacting me :-).

            While I actually have to say that sadly, I consider Breitbart to be one of the more reasonable right-wing discussion forums online (hey – it’s possibly the only one I haven’t been banned from yet for expressing dissent, and that says something), there is a general lack of logical consistency there amongst many of the posters and an adherence to emotional appeal and blind patriotism, as you have suggested.

            I actually had mixed American / Canadian citizenship, and my husband only American, but we needed to live in Canada for many years for my education, and he couldn’t have done so without Canadian same-sex marriage rights!

            Glad to hear that you were able to secure American citizenship through marriage, as you rightly should be able to! I hope you and your spouse are happy and healthy and I am delighted that you are able to be together!

    • If you watch any of the footage of her turning couples away, it is obvious this is all about her own little power trip. She could barely contain her glee at publicly humiliating “them homos” and sending them on their way. Her statement that the licenses aren’t worth the paper they are printed on is not something someone with “sincere religious beliefs” would say. It is something an angry, hateful, bitter, sore loser would say. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bitch.

      • vorpal

        She is one of the few that history will almost certainly remember with a much deserved quadruple the scorn and judgment that she inflicted upon same-sex couples simply seeking to receive rights and protections under law.

    • Bad Tom

      And also, EIGHTY GRAND EVERY YEAR!!!

      • Duck

        you know, I kind of wondered about her salary there. I mean that is more than I made as an O4 with 20 years in the Navy. How big is this county anyway?

        • danolgb

          You can’t compare a politician’s salary to the military. Of course the politician is going to make more because they’re less important.

          • Bad Tom

            AND they have pull with politicians. Who get to set the budgets and salaries.
            ——-
            A hard, ugly, truth.

        • Guy in CA

          2014 population estimate was 23,655
          2013 per capita income $17,094
          She’s being very well paid, which is probably why husband #4 is so supportive. He can’t afford to loose his Sugar Mama!

          *quickfacts.census.gov

      • lattebud

        Plus benefits and probably a nice pension.

      • vorpal

        Amazing that a position that requires not even basic high school education will earn you 80k / year, isn’t it?

    • Sientje Seinen

      you are so wrong as it is about love for the Lord God whom has forbidden same sex marriages, it is love for our heavenly Father whom Christ made known to us, Remember Christ said “If they hate me, they will hate you also, and anyone whom denies me before Men, I also will deny before my Father in heaven, repent and acknowledge your sinfull lifestyle and receive forgiveness, those that rejected Christ sought to kill Him remember and so ye try to make life difficult for those christians who keep the commandment to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, mind and soul. as it is not possible for you to love your neighbor as yourself if there is no love of God in your heart, He calls same sex unions an “abomination”

      • Sk3ptic

        Back to crutch–er, church, troll.

      • David Walker

        He is also not happy about ignorance. Tip: to figure out whether to use “who” or “whom,” substitute the pronoun “he” or “him.” So should your 1st sentence be “for the Lord God him has forbidden…” or “for the Lord God he has forbidden…”? I would hope Christ said “anyone who denies me,” not “anyone whom denies me.” I point this out as an act of love…of our language. And then there’s Matthew 6:1: “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.” So be gone, before somebody drops a house on you.

      • JustSayin’

        Neither God Nor Jesus ever said a single word about same sex marriages, and in fact Jesus healed the pais, a.k.a. male lover or a centurion so he obviously did not care about their relationship as he blessed them both.

        It is becoming obvious why the Dutch did not object to you sneaking out of the country shame you came here illegally.

      • vorpal

        Oh, honey: if your god can’t be fucked to take 10 minutes off once in 2000 years from his exhausting task of helping rich, privileged people find their keys and parking spots to actually put in a physical appearance and speak out, nobody cares.

        Keep loving your imaginary friend, though: I think it’s rather endearing. Just don’t be surprised when the rest of us refuse to follow suit.

        As for the rest of your post, remember what 老子 said in the 道德經:

        The Tao that cannot be told is not the eternal Tao
        The name that cannot be named is not the eternal name
        The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth.
        The named is the mother of ten thousand things.
        Ever desireless, one can see the mystery.
        Ever desiring, one can see the manifestations.
        These two spring from the same source but differ in name;
        this appears as darkness.
        Darkness within darkness.
        The gate to all mystery.

        So yeah, how much relevance did my “holy text” have to your life?
        Probably about as much as your “holy text” had to mine.
        Cheers!

      • rabbit_ears

        If he ever called same sex unions an abomination in the bible anywhere then surely he must have called your hairstyle (or lack thereof) an abomination as well. Good thing you came to a gay blog site, you really need the beauty tips dear.

  • BearEyes

    someone thinks highly of herself.

  • Ninja0980

    Wasn’t one of the offers made by this $&*@ that if her signature wasn’t on them she would give them the licenses?
    This once again goes to show she is full of crap and this was all about bigotry and nothing else.

  • Actually the deputy clerk’s use a rubber stamp to stamp her name on it because Kim Davis actually would never physically sign her name to the licenses… She just rubberstamps them as are the deputies that are doing them so tactically her signatures are on all of the marriage licenses… Plus a license is just the first step in getting married… After that you get married, and then you come back to the courthouse to get your certificate of marriage. As long as the certificate of marriage is valid that is what counts. Now maybe what she’s mean to say is the certificates won’t be valid. Even for marriage certificates, nobody physically signs them… All the signatures are either pressed on by a computer or stamp via rubberstamp

    • bambinoitaliano

      Maybe she presigned all the marriage licenses.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        And then sprayed on them.

  • david fairfield

    Again with the Mountain Dew, what gives?

  • Octavio

    This has been almost as fun as watching That Was the Week That Was in the 1960s. What wonders may surprise us next Monday?

    • BlueberriesForMe

      Just a reminder – Monday is Labor Day. Maybe they’ll be a parade held in her honor – headed by none other than Neo-Nazi Mat “Barrel” Staver. Celebrating the tireless labor of the Rowan County Clerk’s Office.

      • bambinoitaliano

        Most people would have plan for the last long weekend of summer holiday.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          That’s the nice thing about fag-shootin’. It’s ALWAYS in season.

      • delk

        Monday is also my birthday!

        • BlueberriesForMe

          Well, happy birthday in advance, sir.
          I hope you have the best gay birthday cake ever :=). With ice cream, of course.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Joe Smithson will be the Grand Marshal.

      • Octavio

        Everybody loves a parade! 🙂

      • Lumpy Gaga

        They’ve already changed the rally from Saturday to Tuesday. Apparently her bestest new friends were not about to break up their weekends for her. Barbecue waits for no one.

    • bambinoitaliano

      It’s a holiday. We’ll just have to wait for Tuesday. Schools and universities starting. No one got the time to pay attention by then

  • david fairfield

    Notice, her attorneys and this asswipe have switched their vocabulary fro “god” to “her god”. Sublle, but my take is they have their luggage packed and plane reservations…..

  • Strepsi

    Kim Davis, why don’t you go back to your home on WHORE ISLAND?

    https://d.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1400216943ra/9650374.gif

  • Happy Dance

    Disbar Staver!

  • Traxley Launderette

    YOU AIN’T MLK YOU STUPID BITCH

  • olandp

    So now the strumpet thinks she is God?

    • billbear1961

      That’s been pretty clear from day one.

  • Gyeo

    White Christians stealing MLK’s name because they know have no real persecution so they desperately try to latch on something real.

    • Pierre

      It’s called desperation… Nobody with a brain would think of her in the same light. In fact, most people will cringe when they hear the comparison.

  • bryan

    Staver said over and over again that ‘she did not expect this’, …. but as her legal advisor..he should have warned her. He just makes himself look even more unprofessional and desperate.

  • Finally. A clear image of the form.
    You can compare the form to the way it’s been described by anti-gays and see the lies right in front of you.

    http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-09/4/15/enhanced/webdr11/enhanced-buzz-wide-18262-1441396144-7.jpg

    • KCMC

      Yea, Brian!

    • oikos

      Looks like a valid license to me.

      • SockMikey

        I really hope it’s found to be valid when this plays out.

        The dispute/legality arises in the office of ___________ (name), normally is stamped with Kim Davis.

        Her name is *not* on the License, so she should be happy based on what she said.

        But she (like her husband has stated) does not accept the SCOTUS decision and wants to impose her beliefs on others and obstruct as much as she can.

        Link to above document and story
        http://www.buzzfeed.com/dominicholden/kentucky-clerks-name-left-off-marriage-licenses-validity-que#.nsDkx5W8Dl

        In the field where Davis’s name normally appears on licenses, her staff
        on Friday substituted the words “Rowan County.” As a result of the
        change and Davis’s insistence that she does not authorize the licenses,
        staffers and even one couple who obtained a marriage license questioned
        whether the licenses were valid.
        .

        • oikos

          Hoping the governor will give a directive to state agencies on this.

        • GlennF

          Quoted from the article:
          “However, Chief Deputy Roberta Eaerly told BuzzFeed News, “As a group we decided to issue [the licenses] from Rowan County.”

          “Asked what gave staff the authority to omit Davis’s name, Earley said, “I have no other comment.”

          The deputy clerks should have kept the name of that bitch Kim Davis on the marriage licenses issued today. They had no authority to remove that name.

      • ultragreen

        I guess this is a license to obtain a marriage certificate, but not the marriage certificate itself.

    • BlueberriesForMe

      Why is it only good for 30 days?

      • Steven Leahy

        I was wondering that too

      • delk

        We got our license in Iowa. It was valid for three months, We still needed to go to a justice of the peace and have two witnesses to be legally wed.

        • BlueberriesForMe

          Thank you. I thought, after the fact, that was the case.

          So, did your JP and witnesses sign a form like that? Then what happens to the form? Does your JP mail it in to the office? (I assume you get a copy).

          • delk

            He kept the original form and brought the actual license with him. We got to take that one home with us.

        • Reality.Bites

          It’s the same as a fishing license. You still have to go catch a fish

          • Schlukitz

            You make the joke.

            Huh. Huh. Huh.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Bad news: It also required Kim Davis’ signature.

      • IDEK

      • Rand503

        Because that’s longer than her marriages.

      • SockMikey

        Per statute KRS 402.105 :

        402.105 Marriage license valid for thirty days.

        A marriage license shall be valid for thirty (30) days, including the date it is issued, and after that time it shall be invalid.

        Effective: July 13, 1984
        History: Repealed and reenacted as this section 1984 Ky. Acts ch. 111, sec. 159, effective July 13, 1984. — Recodified 1942 Ky. Acts ch. 208, sec. 1, effective October 1, 1942, from Ky. Stat. sec. 2105a-3.
        Formerly codified as KRS 402.190.

      • danolgb

        It just means they have to solemnize the wedding within 30 days. Remember, it’s the license, not the certificate. After it is recorded, a certificate is usually mailed to you.

    • Pierre

      I don’t see Mrs. Many-Hubby’s name on there. What is this witch yapping about? She is clueless.

  • I am Gumby, dammit!

  • musiclover703

    Who does Kim Davis think she is, Louis XIV? Her attitude is one of “L’etat, c’est moi.” (“I am the state.”) Fortunately for us, Ms. Davis is not unilaterally in charge of the state of Kentucky but is in fact a mere civil servant–albeit one who’s forgotten the meanings of both words in that job classification. Bottom line: As power-drunk as Ms. Davis is, she’s setting herself up for one memorable hangover!

  • Guess

    Total OT since the Davises (Casey included) are hopelessly irrelevant at this point, but Conn. authorities believe they CAUGHT the dude who shot the LGBT-ally pastor back in May. Allegedly, the guy randomly shot another man 15 minutes afterward.

    http://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-hartford-pastor-shooting-suspect-reward-0904-20150903-story.html

  • Bad Tom

    So, now she’s an attorney, too? Did God give her that legal advice? Or perhaps Liberty Counsel?

    Vindictive, hateful woman.
    God’s authority, indeed.

  • Six Pins Delores

    So that jail bird can continue to injure the public from behind bars. Good to know.

    • Almost like Vera Donovan and her “letters face out” on the welcome mat bullshit.

  • Mister Don

    I can’t imagine that her office ceased to function in this regard if she was taking sick/vacation days. It’d be a piss-poor system if it was set up that way.

  • Just looked at google news and this is still the number 2
    thing in the news feed…which is to be expected given that this is still a developing
    story and she just went into custody yesterday. But attention to this will die
    out over the holiday weekend and I wonder how long she will want to stay in
    jail once all the attention goes away.

    • Chucktech

      Once the attention goes away?? Well, she’ll want to get the fuck out, of course!

  • Elsewhere1010

    So… without her signature a license in this county isn’t valid? If she missed work due to illness, or took time off and was away from the office in the normal course of events and not due to incarceration, no marriage licenses could be issued until her return?

  • KaBoomBOX

    So, on a day she calls in sick, they close the office because without her signature, taint nothing legal.

  • Ron Robertson

    I like the twitter meme I’ve been seeing, it says (paraphrasing): This issue is not one of religious freedom for her, it’s an issue of her using her job to force others to practice her religion.

  • KCMC

    twitter parody fun:

    Sitnexto Kim Davis

    @nexttokimdavis

    • This one too

      https://twitter.com/kimdavis917

      @kimdavis917

      • bryan

        Are you sure @kimdavis917 is a parody ?

        • Bad Tom

          Well, unless Kim Davis REALLY DID smuggle an iPhone 3 into jail in “her infected mud flaps, ’cause no one wanted to cavity search there”, yeah, pretty sure.

          • bryan

            The latest tweets are signed by her husband… Joe. And tweets retweeted by Bryan Fischer, and followed by AFA.

          • Bad Tom

            Strange.

            @nexttokimdavis appears to be controlled by someone committed to snark.

            For that, we are thankful.

        • It’s acting like it’s being run by her hubby, but I was interacting with it last night and I sent a tweet of a cell phone up a vagina and asked if that’s how she was tweeting from jail. The person responded with snark, so I’m quite sure it’s not real. Also, last night the “hubby” wasn’t running it. That was changed today after he surfaced.

          • bryan

            Thanks. ok.It seems to have fooled Bryan Fischer and the AFA…but then I guess that’s not too hard

          • Bad Tom

            I was just looking at it, and the character of the tweets seem to have changed.

            Perhaps hubby gained control of it? Not announcing that in triumph would be odd.

      • Bad Tom

        They are both pretty excellent.

      • Pierre

        More like @kimdavis666

  • bryan

    It sounds like Staver’s legal advice amounts to ‘god will sort it out’. I wonder how much he charges for that….

    • Chucktech

      Problem with that is that He takes a fucking eTERNity to do His Shit.

      • bryan

        Davis might as well have phoned the Psychic Friends Network …

  • EscherEnigma

    I thought her entire thing was that she didn’t want her signature on the licenses? If that’s her point of contention, why would she say a damn word about licenses that *don’t* have her name on them? Isn’t this what she claims she wanted?

    • Steven Leahy

      As County Duchess she doesn’t want ANY license to be issued to a SS couple, and she’ll keep moving the goalposts as long as it satisfies her agenda.

    • Well it exposes what she really wants which is to keep gay people marrying. This was never about her not wanting to be involved, it was about her wanting to use her position to resist equality.

      • Steven Leahy

        True – and actually, the Breibart article about the muslim flight attendant exposes this whole group for what they ALL are, anti-gay hate mongers. Fuck their conscience, fuck their convictions, and most of all, fuck their deeply held beliefs – none of the above really applies, at all.

        • Ninja0980

          Indeed, I saw a similar theme played out on twitter today.
          These people truly do live in a small bubble.
          These people truly do live in a small bubble.

    • Bad Tom

      She is a lying liar lying lies.

  • Bad Tom

    She is a REAL LIFE Queen Carlotta.
    Except not as nice. Or pretty. Or smart. Or well dressed.

    • Octavio

      Or thin.

      • Bad Tom

        Yes, indeed
        And Edith Massey knew how to have fun.
        ——-
        As John Waters said, “She had a screen presence like no other.”

    • Lumpy Gaga

      “It’s my crotch that needs the attention!”

      — Kim, or Carlotta?

  • Clive Johnson

    Fire this lawless and irresponsible woman and replace her with someone else! What’s the wait?

    • Because they can’t fire her, she is an elected official so she would need to be impeached. If firing her was an option it would have happened already.

      • Bad Tom

        She CAN be charged with official misconduct.
        Let’s hope some prosecutor grows some balls, and files charges.

        • Yes and that is the most likely conclusion to this story. That
          can develop while she sits in jail.

          • Bad Tom

            It will be a conclusion that will wipe that smirk off her face that she gave us in her mug shot.

            Yeah, I like it.
            ——-
            That and the conclusion of the multiple lawsuits still to be adjudicated against her. A few hundred grand here, a few hundred grand there. It soon adds up. Maybe even more than grifters can grift.

        • 2guysnamedjoe

          State and county prosecutors are probably elected, too.

      • Clive Johnson

        Ah yes. Thanks for the clarification.

  • Steven Leahy

    Now when are they gonna deal with that asshole Casey?

    • BlueberriesForMe

      I can’t believe he wants people to know he rides a bike. That’s so gay.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Probably likes those little skinny bicycle seats.

    • Ninja0980

      Hopefully sooner versus later.

    • danolgb

      Someone needs to sue him.

  • BillTheCat45

    Like we give a rotten fck, princess. Enjoy your cold cheese sandwiches tho, shrill harpy.

  • Rillion

    She does not have the authority to rule on that matter of law. That power belongs to judges. Of course her current incarceration demonstrates her disdain for the power of the judiciary.

  • Ginger Snap

    I missed so much today. I had to do a pre fall cleaning of my closets and am on the way to enjoy the company of a “straight” gentleman. I guess I’ll catch up on my JMG reading when he falls asleep.
    And to Kim, Bitch Please!

  • 2amor

    I am so over the Martin Luther King Jr. Rosa Parks meme. No, you don’t stack up to either one of them!!

    • Bad Tom

      They wouldn’t dare invoke either if they were still alive.

  • Palto

    She’s getting prettier by the minute.

    • danolgb

      Oh my. That’s creepy.

      • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

        Isn’t it… it’s creepy, because it works.

    • Octavio

      That’s what a night in jail will do to ya.

  • Rrhain

    Question: What if she had gone on vacation? Suppose she were in an accident or became ill and wasn’t able to come into work? Would the clerk’s office shut down? Would they be unable to process any marriage licenses until she got back? There is nobody who can fill in for her if she is unavailable?

    I honestly don’t know what the legal situation is. It would seem that this is the equivalent of her being out of the office for an extended period of time. The question is, if she has a standing order in place, is the pro tem clerk allowed to change that policy in her absence? If so, if any “policy” that she establishes is simply pro forma rather than legally binding upon the office, then she doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

    Does anybody know what the process is for county clerks in Kentucky when the chief clerk is not available?

    • Marriages

      County judges/executive may perform marriage ceremonies. They may also authorize justices of the peace and fiscal court commissioners in their respective counties to perform marriages (KRS 402.050). In the absence of the county clerk, the county judge/executive may issue a marriage license (KRS 402.240).

      • danolgb

        And logic would say that a county judge/executive could authorize her deputies or their own to issue marriage licenses.

        • When we cross reference the statute 402.240, this is what comes up:

          402.240
          County judge/executive to issue license in absence of clerk.

          In the absence of the county clerk, or during a vacancy in the office, the county judge/executive may issue the license and, in so doing, he shall perform the duties and incur all the responsibilities of the clerk. The county judge/executive shall return a memorandum thereof to the clerk, and the memorandum shall be recorded as if the license had been issued by the clerk.

          Effective: October 1, 1942

          History: Recodified 1942 Ky. Acts ch. 208, sec. 1, effective October 1, 1942, from Ky. Stat. sec. 2113.

          • Rrhain

            Which means the clerk has to do something to record the license…which she would then refuse to do.

            So again, what happens when the clerk isn’t there? If the clerk isn’t there to process the license in the first place and isn’t there to record the judge’s actions, what happens?

          • I’ve been pouring over the KY statutes and Const most of the afternoon. There is not a lot of guidance regarding county clerks. My reading is that it appears that she’s not really absent, it’s her office and the office can function under her power without her being physically present. They just rubber stamp her signature.

            http://law.justia.com/codes/kentucky/

            This link opens a PDF “Duties Of Elected County Officials – Informational Bulletin 114” that you may have to download:
            https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QFjAAahUKEwixnpzvyd7HAhUHQ5IKHX1hBqU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lrc.ky.gov%2Flrcpubs%2Fib114.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHIt_M5gLgemjSHV1z7O8n6kv03Jg

          • danolgb

            Generally tho, deputies have also been given the authority and have been sworn in just as the elected official. They likely can act on their own. The statutes probably don’t completely take deputies into consideration. I suspect having deputies available to do the work is essentially the same as if the clerk was actually there and why the county exec hasn’t really gotten involved. If the whole staff was thrown in the slammer, he probably would have taken over at that point.

          • Have you seen what I posted above? From what I understand the KY statutes are purposely ambiguous due to Jim Crowe era / segregation to allow the clerk to act without impunity.

          • danolgb

            I think I did unless I missed something. Did you find anything on the authority of deputies? I really have to think they do have some power in the absence of the elected clerk. I doubt everything shuts down or shifts to the executive when she goes on vacation. It’s very possible that the statutes haven’t been updated since the time when it was likely an office of one.

          • Nope. Nothing. This is a bit more info:

            http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes/statute.aspx?id=36475

          • Liability For Deputies

            KRS 62.210 makes the office of the county clerk, rather than the individual officeholder, liable for the acts or omissions of deputy clerks. A deputy is liable to the clerk for damages and costs
            for any acts or omissions discharged by the clerk.

          • Vacancy:

            A vacancy in the office of the county clerk is filled by the county judge/executive or by the mayor in a consolidated local government, until a successor is elected, as provided in section 152
            of the Kentucky constitution (see KRS 63.220).

          • danolgb

            So that could read to me that the county judge/executive can appoint someone. (After death, resignation, impeachment, etc.)
            The position isn’t currently vacant, she’s just absent.

          • Yes, but this Disqus platform isn’t conducive to a timeline of our posts. I’m trying to post what I have with the cite to the statutes or the KY Const, so the best thing to do is google that citation and read it. That’s what I’m doing. The Kentucky Constitution cross references with KRS (Kentucky Revised Statutes) but you have to read the Const section AND The statute to get the full meaning.

          • Branch Offices

            County clerks in counties with a land area of more than 750 square miles may maintain a branch office in any incorporated or unincorporated city of the county other than the county seat, if the
            fiscal court authorizes by resolution such an office. The clerk may appoint deputies for the branch offices. The branch offices may be used for the same purposes as those at the county seat, but all records must be kept at the county seat. The provision also applies to sheriffs

            (KRS 67.035).

            The county clerk may maintain branch offices in each legislative district for the purpose of issuing motor vehicle registration plates. The branch offices may be located in buildings used for
            a public purpose (KRS 186.014).

            After providing public notice, the county clerk may maintain branch offices for voter registration (KRS 116.045).

          • JTMComments

            KRS 61.035 Deputy may act for ministerial officer.

            “Any duty enjoined by law or by the Rules of Civil Procedure upon a ministerial officer, and any act permitted to be done by him, may be performed by his lawful deputy.”

            I would read this as permitting the deputies to issue the licenses, even in light of the clerk’s directives not to – I don’t know that I’d bet my marriage on a judge reading it the same way, though. (I also don’t read that as permitting the deputies to remove the clerk’s name from the form, which may be a problem.)

          • That’s a great find!

          • danolgb

            That’s a great find. Like I said, the statutes don’t actually say that the name of the clerk has to be on the form. Just that every line is filed in. She may make that a sticking point but as someone who has been a notary in the past, that line looks a lot like “venue” which is really a place, not a person. I would have put “County Clerk” there, myself and that reads just fine.

          • Vacancy

            A vacancy in the office of the county clerk is filled by the county judge/executive or by the mayor in a consolidated local government, until a successor is elected, as provided in section 152
            of the Kentucky constitution (see KRS 63.220).

        • Pierre

          But the question remains, “did he?” I have seen nothing about him in the news re this.

      • sherman

        Their website says “All public records (documents and indices thereof) are available for viewing in the office of the Rowan County Clerk free of charge.” The list of records includes marriage.

        Reporters on site should be able to look at licenses issued in the past and see if Davis has signed every single one of them. If not it will provide additional proof that she is, as Joe puts it, full of shit.

      • sfbob

        Now what is interesting to me is that the two licenses you’ve posted have two places where a name appears. The top line states “In the office of” and then the county clerk’s name is typed, followed by the name of the county. Underneath that there a space where, as you noted on Davis’s most recent marriage license, the name of the deputy clerk is entered, followed by the title, which could, I suppose, be either the clerk, the deputy clerk or the judge executive.

        The couples who got married this morning had, in the first line where the clerk’s name appears, “Rowan County” entered, followed by “Rowan County” once again. The name and title of the deputy clerk appear in the next line. I suppose that could be problematic but I really have no idea whether it really is or not.

    • noni

      Control freaks don’t take vacation.

      She also has a jar at her desk she uses to do her business since being away in the restroom would not allow her to be hovering over her employees making sure they obey her as required.

      • Steven Leahy

        LOL. Poor Brian CLEARLY has to have his lunch at his desk!

      • noni

        I was mistaken. It isn’t a jar, it’s a bucket and she requires her employees to bring the bucket and hold it for her.

        http://www.dffl.us/reports/2006/massive-poop-bucket.jpg

        • Lumpy Gaga

          “What, and give up politics?”

    • Homo Erectus

      deputy ‎(plural deputies)

      One appointed as the substitute of another, and empowered to act for him, in his name or his behalf; a substitute in office; a lieutenant; a representative; a delegate; a vicegerent; as, the deputy of a prince, of a sheriff, of a township, etc.

  • Greg B.

    And without realizing it, she just destroyed her own argument. If no other county employee can issue a valid marriage license then accommodating her “beliefs” is not possible because there’s no way to do so without putting the county in a position where it has no way to accommodate the ACTUAL civil rights (just affirmed by SCOTUS) of its residents.

    • Steven Leahy

      Good point. I guess christian sharia law is alive and well, after all.

  • JTMComments

    Her lawyers could be right about the licenses being invalid. KRS 402.100 and 402.110 say that the licenses must be completely filled out with the information required by the form – deputy clerks aren’t authorized to change the form or substitute information.

    Couples getting the modified licenses should be aware that if their marriages are later determined to be invalid, it could have serious consequences.

    Under KRS 402.250, “Where doubt is felt as to the validity of a marriage, either party may, by petition in Circuit Court, demand its avoidance or affirmance.” Anyone with one of the questionable licenses may want to have its validity affirmed once the marriage process is complete.

    • Steven Leahy

      What are you talking about with changing the form? Jalapeno, I believe, posted a copy of the form on another thread and it was completely filled out, and nowhere did it say the clerk herself had to sign or notate. Furthermore, as Jalapeno points out below, there is a provision in the law for what to do in the clerk’s absence. I don’t see any non-compliance.

      Also, not sure what your last paragraph is about with regards to validity. SCOTUS ruled on that already, and SSM has already been determined to be valid in all US states. All of KY’s counties are complying except this and two others. Kim Davis’ personal opinion as a clerk does not trump any of that.

      • JTMComments

        In the portion of the form that is supposed to contain the clerk’s name, the deputy clerks have replaced it with the name of the County. That may not be permissible under KRS 402.100 and KRS 402.110.

        Nobody will know for sure whether those marriages are valid until a court reviews them. So a couple using one of those licenses should probably use the statutory process for determining validity sooner, rather than waiting until a critical moment to find out that their marriage was a legal nullity.

      • SockMikey

        The dispute/legality arises in that office of ___________ (name), normally is stamped with Kim Davis.

        They decided to stamp it with Rowan County instead.

        Also here’s the link to the current (outdated per SCOTUS decision) statutes.
        http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes/chapter.aspx?id=39205

        • Steven Leahy

          Thanks for the link. Looks like they need to update a bunch of their statutes. Old, outdated, sloppily worded, and just plain illegal/nullified (like the part about SSM being void)

          • noni

            That’s what Mike Chickabee has been trying to tell all of us. We must wait the 5 to ten years it will take the states to change their various laws and administrative rules and documents to allow same sex marriage, so they can be in compliance with the Supreme Court ruling.

            /snark.

          • Steven Leahy

            I’m surprised it doesn’t bar interracial marriage!

        • Steven Leahy

          Well the office IS is Rowan Co., is it not? LOL 🙂

          • SockMikey

            Yeah, but her attorneys also pointed out that 99 marriage certificates that have been issued since she was the County Jerk included her name.

            One official has stated that now since she is not listed that she can’t contest the validity, since only listed parties can.

            If the couples petition the Circuit Court due to question of validity per KRS 402.250, I bet she and Liberty will then file something to tie up that too.

          • Steven Leahy

            True, but everyone in the world knew the bitch was not MIA but in JAIL for contempt of court in defying a judicial decision! 🙂 Maybe they’ll understand, considering the circumstances !!

        • danolgb

          Well, we’d need to find out if other counties put the clerk’s name there or if they put the office’s name there. The statutes JalepenoBusiness found seem to indicate that the place is to be recorded, there’s no mention of the person other than the signature of the clerk OR the deputy clerk. It’s always possible that Kim has been doing it wrong. We’ve already seen her act as if it’s her own personal kingdom and not a public office. See (1)(c)
          http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes/statute.aspx?id=36475

          • SockMikey

            I’d love to see some forms from other KY counties.

        • Schlukitz

          Then what the hell is the point of Judge Bunning ordering Rowan County to issue marriage licenses, with a stern warning not to fuck around, if there is a possibility that they are no damned good?

          Just how many people need to have their chains yanked and be jerked-off in this fucking three-ring circus without end?

          We are talking lives here, for crying out loud…not making a decision as to whether or not to post a NO PARKING sign in front of a public toilet.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            Bunning made the mistake of thinking out loud and it turned into a free-for-all.

            There is, in fact, plenty of precedent for licenses signed off by deputies. It’s a non-issue. Two have been posted somewhere in this thread, possibly after you posted this.

  • SuchaPowerDiva (said not in a good way)

  • SockMikey

    Do all the Kentucky statutes require updating?!!!

    Lot’s of only husband/wife and excluding of same-sex marriage statutes.

    I found “the woman must apply in the County she resides in” especially odd.

    Includes enactments through the 2015 Regular Session
    The KRS database was last updated on 09/04/2015
    http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes/chapter.aspx?id=39205

    ***
    Also ran across one argument by Rowan official that he also thought that the Marriage Licenses issued were valid since Kim’s name is not on it and only parties who’s names are on the Marriage certificate may contest it’s validity.

    I really think they don’t know, including the Judge.

  • What this idiot doesn’t realize is the Supreme Court already has a checks and balances and that is called Congress and the citizens of United States of America that have the power to amend the constitution which can bind the Supreme Court because the Supreme Court can only act within the constitutional walls

    All these conservatives really don’t want us gay people getting married, all they have to do is get two thirds of Congress to vote for a constitutional amendment stating that marriages between one heterosexual man and one heterosexual woman, and then get 38 states to ratify the decision… That is how you check the Supreme Court. No other body of government has authority over the Supreme Court as a Supreme Court answers only to the constitution of the United States. The constitution of the United States grandson Supreme Court the final say on all laws, treaties made by the government with other countries, as well as state laws and state constitutions… It’s all in article 3 parts 1 and two in the constitution. A lot of these Republicans are claiming the Supreme Court has no right to get in the business of the states and they are very wrong because if they read the constitution article 3 actually gives the Supreme Court the ability to strike down state laws and to settle disputes between the states. Because very states had same-sex marriage and others did not… The states were in a state of dispute over the issue which allowed the Supreme Court to come in and actually act. Then based on the 14th amendment that same-sex couples or gay people and lesbian people were not being treated equally under the law because we had marriage equality in one state and not the other, they stuck the bans down because people were not being treated equally

    Keep in mind the Supreme Court cannot make law. Anytime somebody says the Supreme Court is ruled and that is the law of the land now. I don’t care if their liberal or conservative that statement could not be more wrong the Supreme Court cannot directly make law. What they did is nullified the laws in any state that banned gay people from getting married. As well as prevented future bands. Then… They did not make any new law but they made new rights… Gay and lesbian people then gained the right under the 14th amendment of the Constitution of United States the right to marry… So we do not have a new law of the land what we have is a new civil right that has been born – and that civil right is marriage equality or you can simply call it a right… Kim Davis did not break the law by refusing to issue marriage licenses because there was no LAW TO break

    However, she violated the oath of her office because in refusing to give out the licenses she denied both heterosexual and homosexual couples the licenses that they had the right to obtain. That allow the ACLU who represented those couples to sue her in court, and she lost again and again and eventually a judge ordered her to issue the licenses because she was denying rights to her constituents…as a public official she cannot do that – and that’s not because she’s Christian… The clerk could be any religion and they cannot cite that religion for being derelict in their duties. Plus she broke her oath as she took when she took office. Swore an oath to uphold and all United States laws as well as the Constitution and the rights of the citizens of the United States – therefore she broke her oath

    Once a judge ordered her to issue licenses and she refused to comply, she became in contempt of court – and that is a criminal act and she is jailed until she complies with the judge – tactically she can be held for up to one year – however that’s not going to happen. If she wants to play a martyr and sit in jail, she can sit in jail but the government goes back to session and Jan…Kentucky is a very red red state – even the Democrats in Kentucky are very conservative… Basically Kentucky Democrats are like California Republicans…and Kentucky Republicans are typically far right teabagger’s… This is not true in all cases but in most Kentucky state politics… So the issue of her actually getting impeached by the legislative branch is highly unlikely he – they were probably praise her versus fire her… And most likely the state of Kentucky will do exactly what she wants and take are name off the marriage licenses and then she will go back to her job… But in the meantime when you are in contempt of court, I judge confine you up to one to $2000 a day… Maybe even more but it depends on the state and the jurisdiction. And it is currently unknown how much she is being fined for a day – but I doubt she cares because I’m sure the liberty counsel has promised that they will raise her hundreds of thousands of dollars to cover any fines. What they don’t realize is as a public official she cannot except any of that collected money as that could be constituted as bribery. However if she resigned from her position – then she can collect and pay off the fine – but if she stays in office and collect those funds, she opens her self up to a lawsuit for collecting money as a public elected official… That would be sort of like President Obama saying he personally needed money for something… I don’t think the president of United States could open up some money begging account and collect money from the people. I could be wrong though… But I am definitely not wrong about the stuff about as I have lawyers and my family and they have told me that all these far right wing people are a bunch of crock pots are lying to the American people

    • BearEyes

      For the most part, I agree. However, I have a minor nit.
      ” They did not make any new law but they made new rights… ”

      Scotus did not make a new right. They made it clear that the EXISTING right to equal protection applies to those of us who are LBGT when it comes to marriage.

      Otherwise, I agree with you.

  • Reality.Bites

    I think the past few weeks have conclusively shown that Kim Davis knows as much about the law as she knows about couture and coiffure

    • Yesterday one of my students — a very proper Anglican woman (carries both a rosary and a corkscrew in her purse) — asked: “Would it have been too much to ask of her to do something with her hair?” I replied: “Well, she did stop by the Chat & Curl first, but let’s be realistic… it’s a beauty parlor not a grotto at Lourdes.”

  • JT

    ESPN reporter Israel Gutierrez has come out publicly in a blog post–and
    he’s announced that he’s engaged to his fiancé David Kitchen!

    Congratulations!

    http://instinctmagazine.com/sites/instinctmagazine.com/files/images/blog_posts/Nigel%20Campbell/2015/09/04/Israel%20Gutierrez%20david%20kitchen.jpg

    • LonelyLiberal

      More like Dickman and Throbbin’, but still. Congratulations, you gorgeous couple.

      • Looks like a young Obama.

        • Bad Tom

          I’d smoke a bone with him.
          And also get high, yeah.

        • Schlukitz

          I was thinking the same thing.

      • Bad Tom

        You comment forced me to save that image under dickman-and-throbbin.
        Thanks!

        • LonelyLiberal

          You’re welcome!

  • noni

    Is the JMG system still having hang ups today?

    • DaddyRay

      I was having big delays waiting for comments to load when I opened a post

    • SockMikey

      Yeppers.

    • Steven Leahy

      Yes. It’s been horrible since the switchover for me. I know Joe and his techies are working on it, hope they get resolved soon 🙂

  • Homo Erectus

    Kim, honey – if you hire Mat Staver as your legal council, you go directly to jail. Shoulda hired someone with a real law degree. Oh, and you should only have married once. You can pick and chose your buy bull verses, but jezus wants you to pick just one man and stay with him.

  • Tom G

    Wait, the judge told the other staff he called into court to issue licenses to any couple that came in for one, and he also warned those couples that the licenses issued may be invalid? Sound screwed up.

    • Schlukitz

      You know the old saying.

      Too many cooks spoil the broth

  • Mark

    She really needs a good cult de-programmer!

  • Mark_in_MN

    So the county clerk that includes Louisville has to personally and physically sign each and every marriage license that their office issues? How do clerks in larger counties find the time to do everything?

    Clearly, her intent, and that of her Liberty Council overlords, is not simply to follow her conscience, but to be mean to people and punish them because of same-sex relationships.

    • I’ve posted that below. The statutes give the clerk the authority to establish branch office in counties larger than 750 sq miles and appoint deputies. So yeah, their arguments don’t hold water, do they?

      • SockMikey

        I really really hope that Love and Justice prevails and that these issued licenses (corrected) will be deemed valid.

        • danolgb

          These aren’t actually the certificates. These are the licenses. If they get recorded and the couple receive certificates, it’s a done deal. A stupid lower court might rule otherwise, but higher courts will uphold them as they were done in good faith.

          • I was wondering that as well. I saw a full copy of the form and the certificate is part two on the same page and part three is the recording affidavit. The officiant completes part two, the clerk’s office completes part three. My guess is they would just get a recording receipt when they bring the form back unless they get some sort of “souvenir” type thing.

          • danolgb

            Most states mail a pretty certificate when it’s all said and done.

          • Schlukitz

            They gotta get something for their $35.00 fee. LOL

    • SockMikey

      From what I understand they even stamp the ones in Rowan County with her name and she doesn’t personally sign them.

      Also Kim Davis (Rowan County) issued a license to a Transgender couple… 🙂
      http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/09/03/kentucky-clerk-marriage-license-transgender-couple/71634646/

      • danolgb

        I doubt it’s actually a stamp. I suspect it’s just printed like the other pieces of info. The only things not printed are the signatures which obviously can be a deputy clerk as well.

        • SockMikey

          Yep, it may be programmed in to print it.

          I’d like to see a few other one’s she and other counties have issued.

  • SFBruce

    There are vast differences between Kim Davis and Martin Luther King, Jr. Among the most obvious, King was a private citizen working to expand civil liberties, while Davis is a civil servant using her power in that position to deny a fundamental right to a group she deems immoral. The comparison lends new meaning to the concept of shamelessness.

  • Steven Leahy

    This picture never fails to uplift my spirits when I am feeling down about this issue.

    BTW I typed in “Kim Davis” and Google auto-populated “mugshot” as my first choice, LOL.

    • Michael Rush

      for me it’s like looking at an avocado refrigerator on an orange shag carpet .

    • noni

      I’m loving that Kim is now the number one mug on mugshots.com

      Just above the child molester pic.

      http://mugshots.com/

  • abel

    Somebody – the governor, or whoever – should have the authority to remove Kim Davis from her office. Fire her, in other words. She is refusing to do her job, so get rid of her. If that is not the case, then the legislature needs to change the law to give someone that authority. Otherwise you have a country full of Little Caesars making the laws in their own fiefdoms.

    • “Otherwise you have a country full of Little Caesars making the laws in their own fiefdoms.”

      Winner winner, chicken dinner. That’s EXACTLY how the KY statutes/Const were written. To give county clerks authority to act without impunity and it stems from the days of segregation, Jim Crowe and decades before that.

      The const / statutes give the legislature the impeachment power. The KY legislature is republican. What do you think will happen when they’re back in session months from now?

      • abel

        DId not know that, thanks!

      • KCMC

        Little Caesars?
        now I want pizza to chase the popcorn.

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      I think she has to be impeached since she was elected to office.

    • Michael Rush

      edit : , Kim Davis has a four year term
      we had talked about this earlier today and someone said the next election was january , but that is not the case unless you mean 2019 !!!

      • danolgb

        Her term isn’t up for 4 years tho.

        • Michael Rush

          i was told it was january .

          • danolgb
          • Michael Rush

            i had asked earlier , i was wondering how long she could possible be in prison … unfortunately that is correct , she has a four year term , the legislature meets in January ( a possible but unlikely impeachment time ) i was hoping it would all be over by january , she should resign of course .

            In January 2015, she took the oath of office and began serving her four-year term as the Rowan County clerk . As county clerk, she receives an annual salary of $80,000.

          • danolgb

            It’s also very possible that the legislature could change the statutes in such a way that she would no longer be in contempt. Either allowing the duties to be shifted elsewhere or some possible odious “compromise” that she feels satisfies her. It would be kind of funny if after a while people forgot all about her and nothing changed and she just sat there because even Staver will eventually need something more profitable.

          • Schlukitz

            Should Kim Davis opt to remain in jail indefinitely, it will be very interesting to see how Staver un-hitches his wagon from her without making LC look like SOBs who just turned their backs on her and abandoned her in her “hour of need”.

          • Michael Rush

            i hope this leads to changes in removing people who will not do their job .

          • Schlukitz

            Peace and quiet. A nice warm bed. Three meals a day. No dinners to cook. No dishes to wash. No beds to make. No floors to vacuum. Full dental and medical coverage. And $80K a year to sit around and read the bible, courtesy of the Rowan County taxpayers.

            It doesn’t get much better than that.

          • Michael Rush

            can she still eat a 24 pack of little debbie snack cakes during a duck dynasty marathon ?

          • noni

            They sell those in the jail commissary and her supporters keep her jail fund fully funded.

          • noni

            She was only elected last November. Her mother was in the position for the previous 100 years.

    • danolgb

      She could in fact be found guilty of a felony and it would not automatically remove her. The only options would be for her to resign or be impeached. I suppose, technically if she were executed (after being found guilty of some capital crime, obviously), that would work too. But I digress. The legislature there seems to be buying her bullshit, so impeachment is probably not going to happen.

      • executed LOL

        • danolgb

          That would leave a vacancy..

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Even if she’s forced to resign, or jailed, or impeached, the goobers will vote her back in.

        • danolgb

          I’m not convinced of that. Apparently she only won by under 30 votes.

  • Michael Rush

    when you lock a nitwit in a room with a bible it’s not likely that an intelligent adult human being who is in touch with reality iis going to walk out .

  • Octavio

    Regardless of everyone’s confusion about the marriage licenses being legal or not legal, just take comfort in knowing that whenever the press says, “According to Kim Davis’ attorney . . .” they are talking about Mat Staver, idiot savant of ‘Mericuhn law and justice. It always gives me a righteous giggle.. 🙂

    • noni

      It’s sad that no “journalist” has been willing to actually explain the agenda of Matt Staver by citing some of his organizations animus toward gay people.

      Instead they stick with what he tells them his agenda is and characterize him as a man of God and let the public assume that means something resembling humanity when in fact it means something very hideous.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      “I’m a very good lawyer.”
      — Mat “Rain Man” Staver

      • Octavio

        His flagrant display of assholiness is numbing. Fortunately me, my Louisville Slugger, and Mat are not in the same room. 🙁

  • danolgb

    I think the only argument she can make that holds the slightest drop of water is she didn’t authorize the clerks to issue the licenses. But she also hasn’t relieved any of the clerks of their duty. And her edict to not issue licenses is illegal in itself. I really think the couples are safe. There may be some additional court hurdles to declare it so definitively, but I have no doubt they would prevail.

  • DaveySF

    It’s Kim Davis that’s worthless

    • Lumpy Gaga

      For his part, Staver is proving quite the unpolishable turd.

  • DaddyRay

    Staver on All in with Chris Hayes getting taken to the shed

    • SockMikey

      Yep, Staver wants to avoid answering the questions and redirects the conversation.

      Chris Hayes just cut him off… 🙂

    • Michael Senesac

      I just watched it. Chris was great. He asked how their fundraising was doing. Staver got pissed.

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      Missed it… and, on Fridays, they don’t rerun it in the middle of the night. Not sure if I can see it online from Canada. Still glad Chris did a good job on the Christer.

      • TampaDink

        I missed it too…..but am about to break away to go watch Rachel, since her show also isn’t repeated on Fridays. Would it kill MSNBC to postpone “Lockup” on Friday nights?

        • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

          They could do a Lockup special with Kim Davis. 😈

          • DaddyRay

            I’d watch that

          • TampaDink

            Works for me. I’d watch it.

      • Steven Leahy
    • Michael Rush

      i’m making a note to watch All In With Chris Hayes when it appears online , here’s Matt Staver dancing around a bunch of questions for a few minutes , it seems like his only trick .

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbw4FNbmJK8

      now available …. chris hayes interviews matt staver , i don’t think he answers any of the questions asked him over several minutes , disturbing !

      http://on.msnbc.com/1O3cW1E

      • Mr. Nagler(SP?) is a bad public speaker! But Staver didn’t make any point that makes sense. Thanks for posting this.

        • Michael Rush

          i thought Nagler was not a very good speaker also , although he was trying to make some valid points . Chris Hayes does much better but actually never seems to get an answer to any of his questions either . .

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Here’s a link. http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/kim-davis-lawyer-compares-her-to-mlk-jr.-519886915765
      It was fun watching Mat get all apoploptic (as Mrs. Slocombe would say) when Chris asked him about LC’s fundraising this week.

  • TexPlant

    she is full of shit!

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      and her feet don’t match.

  • Steven Leahy

    Well, while they work out the semantics and technicalities of the documents, one thing is for certain: these same-sex marriages are legal and valid. Kim Davis not wanting to acknowledge that via her personal signature will never change that,

    • Schlukitz

      The woman is just plain mean, mean, mean!

      Through and through to the core.

      • She a rotten apple for sure. And she was rotting the entire barrel (clerks office) and had to be removed. Luckily only her son was spoiled.

  • Randy

    For the longest time I was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt as a not very bright woman manipulated by Liberty Council.I am starting to get seriously annoyed. Perhaps she is as evil as people have said.

    • DaddyRay

      Make no mistake, she is in it for the money

    • David Walker

      Evil. Ego-maniacal. Tyrant. Hypocrite. Fame whore. Megalomaniac. Selfish. Bitch. If nothing else, she should be arrested for stealing oxygen.

    • TampaDink

      I think that you might have underestimated how evil this woman truly is.

    • I too was initially drawn in by my belief that most people are good, and so she must actually be extremely religious. But after hearing this, I no longer believe she is a good woman, but a mean cold hearted gold grifting bitch.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Yeah from Video #1, the dog story, and the dynastic history, I was of the mind that she’s got whatever’s coming.

    • ultragreen

      She’s a ‘big fish’ in a very small pond who has just discovered that there are much bigger fish in this world. The longer she stays in jail, the more cranky she’ll become and the truth may accidentally spill from her lips,

  • Mark McGovern

    So glad this is happening. Let’s just get it out there and get on with it. This was bound to happen so let’s have at it. If she can truly thwart our rights we might as well know now so we can deal with it.

  • David Walker

    This was forwarded to me by my former boss at the classical music station. She hates Gilbert & Sullivan as much as I love them. Still, she sent this to me.

    By Jim Trumm
    (The saga of Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk who refuses to issue marriage licenses because God told her not to, is worthy of an opera. Or at least an operetta. So with apologies to W.S. Gilbert, here is my stab at composing a patter song for her character.)

    I am the very model of a modern fundamentalist
    I’m not merely judgmental, I’m the absolute judgmentalest!
    I always follow scripture and I act on God’s authority
    But marital longevity was never my priority.

    I married first one husband, then two others, then another one
    Because I think one man is pretty much like any other one.
    I’ve never been too troubled by the dubious legalities
    Of sex outside of marriage or of other trivialities.

    But when it comes to icky stuff like homosexuality
    I’m always very strident with my Puritan morality.
    In short in matters biblical and spiritual and Calvinist,
    I am the very model of a modern fundamentalist!

    In questions of behavior I fall back on my Old Testament
    (Though saying no to shrimp is way too much of an impediment).
    I pick and choose the verses that support my little weltanschauung
    And pledge never to change my mind from now til götterdämmerung.

    I’ll ride this hobby horse until I’m richer than a sybarite,
    There’ll always be good money in denouncing godless sodomites.
    I’ll put my name as author on some books that I can barely read
    And get a show on cable to inform the world what God decreed.

    My husbands all agree that I know more about what marriage is
    Than five Supreme Court justices whose law my faith disparages.
    In short in matters biblical and spiritual and Calvinist,
    I am the very model of a modern fundamentalist!

    In fact, when I see what is meant by constitutionality
    When I can do my job with requisite impartiality,
    When I can join in marriage two young men who might be thespians,
    Or issue nuptial licenses to enterprising lesbians,

    When I can see that love is love no matter what the sexes are
    And understand that gays are just like me and my three exes are,
    In short, when I have finally got a dose of moral clarity
    I’ll find out what is meant by the idea of Christian charity.

    Til then I’ll flout the law and draw my wages from the county tax
    Which is what God would do if only He was up on all the facts
    Til then in matters biblical and spiritual and Calvinist,
    I am the very model of a modern fundamentalist!

    • TampaDink

      THIS is all kinds of awesome! I wanna hear it performed so bad.

      • David Walker

        It is, isn’t it? If I still had a semblance of a voice… I cede this project to a younger person.

        • David L. Caster

          This definitely comes up in the first act when the Davis character is introduced to her LC lawyers. The Staver song would be about his wonderful opportunity to grift and represent a True Christian, though the lyrics would have to be a bit more cynical in character in just the right places as he alternately sucks up to the Davis character and thinks to himself just how rich LC is going to get whatever the outcome.

        • TampaDink

          I have no room to talk…much less to sing.
          The bucket that I used to try to carry tunes in had rusted out & has been kicked. ☺

    • Michael Senesac

      and she sings it up to tempo, faster and faster until she passes-out from lack of oxygen.

      • TampaDink

        Passes out, passes away…either one works.

    • KCMC

      Youtube screaming for a drag operetta patter song.
      Must be done.

    • JustSayin

      Awesome. Gay men’s choruses need to record this as ode to stupid bitch

  • Schlukitz

    The laws of physics are invalid and worthless.

    The world will not continue to spin without my signature. So there!

    Pfffffffffffffffft

    • LonelyLiberal

      Remember when Comet Shoemaker-Levy hit Jupiter? Yeah, sorry about that, I had strained my wrist and couldn’t sign that day.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Comet Shoemaker-Levy — isn’t that the baby who was born at Woodstock?

        • LonelyLiberal

          I think that was Starflower River-Moonchild

  • TampaDink

    I dunno if anyone has already posted this tribute to KY’s most xtian inmate but even if I’m repeating….I think it…and Kim…deserve it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUM9QkHuWis

    • KCMC

      perky, kicky, catchy

      • TampaDink

        I wish that the vocals were a tad bit less screechy but it still has merit.

    • David Walker

      That is just fucking brilliant.

      • TampaDink

        Indeed.

    • Stev84

      Yes, we do know what happened to #2. He is the same as number #4

      • TampaDink

        And…he’s the adoptive father of the kid that #3 impregnated her with while she was still married to #1.

    • I love this couple!! Thanks for posting!!!

      • TampaDink

        You’re quite welcome. ☺

  • matt n
    • 2guysnamedjoe

      She’s already lost weight, and she’s finally done something with her hair.

      • David Walker

        Who would have thought she’d go all spiky, though?

        • 2guysnamedjoe

          I heard she’s doing a youth outreach ministry in the lockup, and she wants to relate to the Goth kids.

  • J Ascher

    She doesn’t understand or won’t admit that her deputy clerks are there to fill in for her when she’s incapac…errr…incarcerated!

  • Randy

    Yes. True. Liberty Council and similar groups have made it very clear that they want to establish “Biblical law” in America. “Biblical law”! If this doesn’t scare the hell out of you, then I can’t imagine what does. Also, the government in Kentucky seems to be seriously screwed if you somehow can’t take a loon out of office. I suspect it is because the subject is gay rights – somehow gay people don’t count or have the same rights every other person on the street is assumed to have.

    • Bruno

      You suspect correctly, in the sense that the way to remove a loon official in Kentucky is for the legislature to impeach her. But since they also don’t like teh geyz, she’ll keep her job.

    • Its an artifact from the Jim Crow law days. They didn’t want recalls for their loved KKK clerks who were holding the white line

  • Pudenda Agenda

    Also today from her jail cell, she nullifed the Law of Gravity, proclaimed that all Palestininas and Israelis would henceforth live in peace, and delcared herself “thin and beautiful.”

    • noni

      all under the Authority of God.

      • David Walker

        Did god sign it? Or was it one of his deputy clerks?

        • That would be the Pope (or maybe the Grand Ayatollah) so the answer is neither.

          • GC

            Working in that office must be fun, with most of the deputies refusing to recognize most of the others!

          • 2guysnamedjoe

            And tens of thousands die on the last Friday of every month, because God’s deputy clerks can’t agree on who’s supposed to clean out the office refrigerator.

          • GC

            Not to mention the ongoing arguments about what kind of food is allowed in the office in the first place!

  • Anybody see the husband earlier? Opinions? Good looking? Redneck daddy? Hillbilly? Glory hole membership?

    http://s5.postimg.org/4lmtu1m1z/davis.jpg

    • DaddyRay

      Idiot

    • matt n

      all gut

    • LonelyLiberal

      Dumb, unattractive, and yes, leads with the gut.

    • Stev84

      He could look worse really, but he is a total idiot.

    • KCMC

      facial skin tag growth out of control.
      missed the glory hole shot.

      • noni

        in other words a face like a ribbed condom?

        • LonelyLiberal

          Please, it should give anybody that much pleasure. More like the Creature from the Black Lagoon.

        • KCMC

          eye knob off nose bridge

    • SockMikey

      I hear the music from Deliverance…

      I think is called Douching Assholes or something like that with Banjo music.

    • Steven Leahy

      Didn’t I see him in Dumb and Dumber in the rest stop bathroom? LOL Though I remember him being better looking in the movie!

      • David Walker

        They always are. Good lighting, camera angle, Vaseline on the lens.

        • Steven Leahy

          Go git ’em Seabass!

    • Lumpy Gaga

      “self-employed”

    • Octavio

      I think he has a record for poaching and hunting without a license. There’s a whiff of firearms abuse about him, too. He’s definitely not my type, but zaftig apostolic christain wimmins probably think he’s an adonis.

    • rabbit_ears

      IQ of blue cheese.

  • SockMikey

    Hey Guys,

    Here’s one of the few Marriage Licenses issued to Kim Davis!

    Collect the whole set!

    Notice it was issued by her mother, Jean W. Baily whose name was typed in (not signed) where the ones being issued today say “Rowan County” at “in the office of ______ (name).

    License reveals embattled Rowan Co. clerk married four times
    http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/License-reveals-embattled-Rowan-Co-clerk-married-four-times-323793781.html
    .

    • Look at the line that has Pam Logan. See the script “PL” there? Stop the fucking presses! Deputy clerks can issue licenses!

      • SockMikey

        Here’s one from Taylor County KY, 2008 issued by the Deputy Clerk under KRS 402.105!

        Has In the office of Mark Carney, County clerk typed in.

        The below is for Dakota Meyer who was going to marry Bristol Palin and they said it was his first marriage, but this says otherwise. 🙂

        Dakota Meyer that was supposed to marry Bristol Palin (Taylor County, KY)
        http://politicalgates.blogspot.com/2015/05/wikipedia-refuses-to-acknowledge-first.html

        LMFAO!!!
        .

        • Where are you finding these? Some jurisdictions have online searchable public records. I never guessed KY would be modern.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Be kind to Kim. You wouldn’t believe the number of people who accept an ASCII “Electronically signed by:” as attestation that something was actually electronically signed.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Wonder if Pam Logan is the ostensible author of the
        “Sitnexto Kim Davis” tweets? https://twitter.com/nexttokimdavis

      • Great eye! That puts paid to the lie they aren’t legal without her signature! Unless there was a law change between then and now, which I doubt.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Gratuitous bonus upvote! This license isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on!

  • geoffalnutt

    Okay. Now she’s just crunting. She’s just an angry, miserable crunt. She didn’t get her way (aside from her useless martyrdom) and she’s just lashing out. It’s called ‘crunting’. She wants to hurt as many gay folks as possible…in ab-fucking-sentia, no less! Amazing. This was never about religion. Just hate.

    • Necessitas

      Religion is a system of hate. If it wasn’t, there would only be one.
      Who knows what heights mankind might have reached today but for it.

  • Galvestonian

    O.K. Would someone please explain how to remove this cancer from her office. There has to be some way to boot her sorry ass from this family sinecure. Isn’t it a State Office ?

    • The KY Const and the KRS give the legislature impeachment power to remove an elected officer from office. There’s been some debate the governor could take some sort of action if she resigns or is convicted.

      • Necessitas

        Looks like KY, and I bet a lot of other states, have vested these paper pushers with too much power. They are glorified file clerks, they keep track of papers (and data now-days), that’s it. It shouldn’t take an act of God to get one to perform his or her duties or boot him or her out the door. Why it’s an elected position is beyond me. Beyond Kim Davis, there is a structural problem here that needs to be addressed.

  • DaddyRay

    So if the couples take their marriage license and get married by a judge would that not quell any question on if it was legal?

    • KCMC

      believe someone wrote that earlier…certificate at that point would legit even if license signature dubious.

      • DaddyRay

        It would be awesome if the judge who tossed Davis in jail for contempt offered his services as a justice to marry the couples – it would really stick it to Davis

        • Unlikely. He’s a practising Catholic, and it’s one thing to do his duty of upholding the law — rendering unto Caesar, etc — and another to choose to do something he’s not duty-bound to do (like officiating at a gay marriage) that might violate his sincerely-held etc etc.

      • Necessitas

        There is a principle in law, that if all parties believed they negotiated a clear and binding contract, then they did.

        Signature or no, I doubt there will be a real problem. This is sour-grapes from Kim, comme d’habitude.

  • Island Planet

    Why the hell have they not just fired someone who refuses to do what she’s paid to do? Fire this screeching hatful bigot. Oh, and btw can y’all in the USA stop having elections for all these piddly ass positions? Elect your town council and let them hire and fire as needed. Please.

    • Are you from Britain?

      • Michael Rush

        is ” piddly ass positions ” a british term ?

        • I was going on “town councils”

          • SockMikey

            I think he’s near Victoria, BC, Canada… 🙂

    • Stev84

      Agreed. Electing all these administrative positions is stupid (as shown by the US being the only country that does this). It’s just asking for the creation of tinpot dictators.

  • Michael Senesac

    I HAVE A QUESTION. If a straight couple received a marriage license today, would it also be invalid?????

    • DaddyRay

      According to Davis – yes

      • Michael Senesac

        the article reads “gay couples.”

        • DaddyRay

          But she is the queen and if she didn’t sign it then it isn’t valid

  • JustSayin

    It would be very unusual for a county clerk that needs six deputies to be individually signing every single form permit or license. Truly does the county shut down if she steps out of the office for lunch? Goes to bible camp? Or marries husband number six?

    I would like to see images of one of the signed licenses from today as well as any other signed form just to know what is being done.

    As far as I can tell she is full of shit

  • Michael Rush

    one thing i thought of today is that Kim Davis would not let anyone else sign marriage certificates , which is illegal , so she is forcing others to do illegal activities , maybe there is a law about that ? something something coercion ???

  • DaddyRay

    oh for fk’s sake

    Oregon Judge Refuses To Perform Same-Sex Marriages

    The judge says marrying gay couples would violate his religious freedom.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-judge-gay-marriages_55e9e757e4b03784e275d182?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices&ir=Gay%2BVoices&section=gay-voices

    • LonelyLiberal

      9th Circuit jurisdiction. Yeah, this is going to go well for him.

    • 2guysnamedjoe