OREGON: Case Against Terry Bean Dismissed, Lawyer Says He Never Met Alleged Victim

The sexual abuse case against HRC co-founder Terry Bean was formally dismissed today. Bean’s attorney says that he is now free to reveal details of the case previously unknown to the public. If true, these details change the narrative significantly. Via press release:

While we are pleased with today¹s outcome, this is a case that should never have been brought in the first place. And in my 29 years of trial work, I have never seen anything like this case where the facts are ignored in a drive for the spotlight. Terry Bean is a lifelong Oregonian who is respected and beloved for his devotion to his community. His name deserves to be cleared and we hope that today’s dismissal accomplishes that goal. For almost a year we have been silent about the truth so that we could try this case in court and not in the media as the prosecutor tried to do.

This case fell apart for a lack of evidence. If we had our day in Court, we are certain Mr Bean would have been found to be innocent of the charges based on four important facts: Terry Bean left the hotel room before anything happened, after being set up there by Kiah Lawson; We had a witness who would have attested to the fact that he left. As proof that this was all about money in the first place, we have proof that Kiah Lawson led the police to this young man last year. But before he did, he and his accomplice Jeff Dickey had numerous contacts with him to get their stories straight and on their advice, the young man in question sought a civil attorney to make a financial claim before the police were ever involved.

The young man in question did not want to show up in Court because he did not want to face cross-examination, not, as Mr. Healy charges, because he was paid a civil settlement. It is also important to note that they conducted hundreds of interviews of past associates of Terry Bean looking for additional cases and did not find ONE credible accusation. The prosecutor and the detective, thinking they had a big fish, ignored all of these facts and in almost a year, never once interviewed Terry Bean to get the truth. Instead, Mr Healy got his name in the paper every time he smeared him. We look forward to telling the whole story, but in the meantime, for the people’s sake, we hope that the overzealous, overly-ambitious and likely, homophobic actions against Mr Bean have come to an end.”

The case was dismissed without prejudice, meaning that prosecutors could refile charges in the future.

UPDATE: More from the Eugene Register-Guard.

Bean promptly issued a prepared statement, saying that he “was falsely accused and completely innocent of every accusation that was made.” He thanked supporters and said he “look(s) forward to being able to tell the story of this conspiracy of lies, deceit, blackmail, malicious prosecution and homophobia now that this case has ended.” His attorney, Derek Ashton of Portland, told reporters that Bean was not present in the hotel room where prosecutors allege the sexual encounter happened in September 2013. But Lane County Chief Deputy District Attorney Erik Hasselman said today in an interview that Bean was the person who rented the room, and that the victim — despite his refusal to testify at this time — maintains that the allegations are true. Hasselman also disclosed that Bean had offered to pay the teenager more than $200,000 to settle the case earlier this year. Lane County Circuit Judge Charles Zennache rejected the deal in July. Additional details of the proposal have not been released.

  • MythicalBeast

    As much as I had doubts about the allegations, I wasn’t necessarily expecting a dismissal. It’ll be interesting to learn more. It would also be nice to think that the homophobes who used this case to vilify not only Mr. Bean but also gay people, their dignity and expectations of equal rights under law will be forthcoming with their apologies.

    But I won’t hold my breath for that.

  • GarySFBCN

    I don’t know what to believe. But the $200k settlement offer makes me think that Bean is guilty.

    • RaygunsGoZap

      It’s definitely given me something to chew on. I mean there’s confidence we’ll prevail in court and then there’s $200k saying I’m really not that confident. Hopefully he makes better decisions going forward.

      Leave them better than you found them. Know when to leave them be.

      • Randy Ellicott

        Well it may have also been a cost-benefit analysis, they could have been confident of winning in court, but that would have cost them $600,000 in legal fees, as opposed to getting rid of the issue for $200,000…. either way there is too much he-said, he-said in this for us to ever know the truth unless they have physical proof not shaded by bias (like the smoking gun, or it’s on video)… and if they did i dont think the case would have been dismissed at all as it would not have depended on the kid.

        • RaygunsGoZap

          True that!

    • BobSF_94117

      Maybe you should ask people who have faced life-destroying legal cases how “guilty” they’d be willing to appear just to make it all go away.

      • gaymex

        That’s a really good point.

      • GarySFBCN

        And the judge threw out the settlement – why is that?

        • BobSF_94117

          Because the judge only had one set of “facts” before him and didn’t like the idea of a civil settlement in a case involving a minor — he apparently had no similar objection to sex cases involving adults being settled out of court.

          The trial had not yet taken place, he had heard no testimony either way, been presented no evidence either way, and was ethically and professionally required to believe in the integrity of the prosecution.

          I can think of other reasons, ones that also have nothing to do with guilt or innocence. Can’t you?

    • RyanInIllinois

      A settlement is not always an admission of guilt. It could have just been that he wanted to get this over with and move on with his life. In every war, you have to pick which hills you’re willing to die on.

    • pierre denerome

      I’d settle and turn that chapter. Life is too short. Bonne soiree amigos.

      P.S. What’s for dinner?

      • GarySFBCN

        Snacks – family made chorizo and other embutidos, sheep’s milk cheese – the usual.

        • gaymex

          I finished lunch a few minutes ago–a pasta dish from Pedro and Lorenzo–and you have just made me hungry…again.

    • Cousin Bleh

      You sure it’s not the 66-year-old dating a 25-year-old that makes you think he’s guilty?

    • canoebum

      $200k or roll the dice on a jury trial for something you didn’t do? Why do you think it’s mostly poor people who end up in jail? If you’ve got the money, you pay. Sure it’s blackmail, but isn’t there a long sad history of gay men being blackmailed? I think too many of us are deluded into believing we live in an age of equality and justice as far as sexual orientation is concerned. We don’t. That’s not to say Mr. Bean didn’t take unnecessary risks or make some poor judgments, I don’t know. But there are a lot of schemers out there looking to make a quick buck anyway they can.

  • gaymex

    I am terribly embarrassed and really upset with myself that I didn’t have all the facts before I judged him…if this new information is in fact, factual.

    • RaygunsGoZap

      Don’t beat yourself up, man. Everyone of us had an opinion based on our internal landscape and not on information we won’t ever have. We could all use a good think on that. 🙏🏼😘🐥

      • gaymex

        I keep thinking I will learn not to rush in when I don’t know all the facts. I will try harder next time. Now, as for that bitch, Kim Davis…

      • DonnaLee

        But honestly, that it went to this point made him look pretty guilty. Usually if there is a hokey victim, it does not get to a court date. What we had to read looked very bad, but I wanted to see it go to court to see what would happen.

    • Gee

      you never did that before ?

      • gaymex

        Guilty. I’m a slow learner. But I will try to learn from this. If you see me do it, Call me out.

        • Gee

          as a gay man it’s your god given right to do so

    • Manny Espinola

      I think your initial impression had something to do with the fact that Mr. Bean looks like a dirty old man instead of some round, innocent-looking baby-butt-cheeked trustworthy face like Josh Duggar.

  • Pollos Hermanos

    A full dismissal hasn’t stopped Peter LaBarbera from saying “but but but Jesus, gays are molesters” however.

    I hope Bean sues him.


    • vorpal

      “LaBarbera also wonders if HRC will admit to proven statistics showing a large number of homosexual adults molest young boys.”

      I wonder if Pete LaBarbera will admit that he finger-bangs llamas while eating ice cream.

      Generally, people don’t admit to things that are simply untrue, Petey.

    • Sara

      A lot of these Christian sites have been referring to Bean as a “pedophile” which would have been a false allegation even if he had had been guilty of the charges. A “pedophile” is someone who is exclusively or predominantly attracted to pre-pubescent children. Bean’s entire sexual history is with adults and he was accused of a single encounter with a post-pubescent, but underage, male. If he had been convicted, it would be inconceivable to imagine him suing over this distinction. But now that the charges are dismissed, and if it is true that the whole thing was a setup, there’s at least a chance that he could go after some of these defamatory sites.

      • Trevor Brown

        As you well know, no straight male ever has a Catholic school girl fantasy after all.

  • Toasterlad

    You never know who to believe in an unfortunate case like this. But I agree with Bean’s attorney on one thing: If Bean has a predilection for under-aged dudes, it seems odd that there’s no other evidence of it.

    • William

      A friend of mine got caught up in one of these situations. He was a high school principal, a neighborhood kid made some accusations. The cops searched my friend’s house without a warrant and found a baggie of pot. The pot actually belonged to his boyfriend. The sex and drugs angle played on the local news for a good long while.

      • vorpal

        We had a similar situation in our high school. Two girls that were friends and really hideously, ugly-on-the-inside type people were mad at one of our amazing science teachers for failing them in his class.

        They spread a vicious lie (and it was heard by several that it was a concocted lie) that he had attempted to come on to them, and he was dismissed from the school. It was so incredibly sad because it really affected his reputation and he was such a good teacher and human being.

        I don’t know whatever happened to him, but I hope that he was able to recover personally and professionally. Those two girls ended up being even more outcasted than they were before the incident, but that’s a small price to pay for attempting to destroy someone’s dedicated career.

      • gaymex

        That’s awful. I had a great uncle (high school principal) who was accused of molesting a kid he was trying to help. I think he was innocent, but that was long ago and being called queer was the worst insult that could be leveled so he simply shot himself to end his misery. He was a good man.

        • j.martindale

          How about a brother, whose crazy step-daughter–out of work, 3 kids by different fathers, lazy, covered head to foot in tatoos–threatens to tell the police my brother sexually molesting her if he tries to kick her out of his house. He has raised her children. People can be pathetic.

          • gaymex

            We can all be victimized by people like that. You can’t reason with them. They don’t give a fuck about themselves or the misery they can bring to others. Sorry for you brother. I hope he’s okay.

        • jmax

          That is so sad. My partner teacher 3rd grade and has told me that his students sometimes want to hug him but he won’t allow it for fear of what parents might do, no matter how innocent the contact was. It’s a sick world we live in.

          • Chris Baker

            I wonder if it’s an American phenomena. With missing kids on milk cartons decades ago (or do they still do that?). People assume all those kids were abducted by strangers. I wonder how many were really abductions by non-custodial parents. And that rash of accusations of daycare owners molesting kids, and “recovered memories” of molestation (which have proven to be, with recent studies, unreliable). And then all the catholic church abuse scandals. It really would make people think that there are molesters around every corner.

          • gaymex

            I think it is so unhealthy not to be able to hug kids…both for them and for the adult. It must really be rough for teachers now.

      • MarkOH

        I had a friend who was a HS school teacher 20 years ago. A student walked into his classroom after classes and stared talking about how lonely he was because he thought he was gay. My friend, who was in a monogamous relationship (and who liked MUCH older men – his partner was 15-20 years his senior) tried to talk to the kid. The kid suddenly stood up and said “are coming on to me”? and left the room. The next day, the Principal called my friend into his office and said he had a choice: quit or face criminal charges. My friend quit and was out of education forever.

        • John P.

          Folks might want to rent “The Green” (2011) with Cheyenne Jackson. Worth a watch.

        • gaymex

          Terrible. I thought about this sort of thing when I decided that teaching wasn’t for me. Now, I hope we would fight back.

          • WWMD

            With today’s technology it would be so easy to have a security camera and reminding kids that the camera is on all the time for everyone’s safety

        • canoebum

          I never speak to children or adolescents unless another adult is present. I would never let one into my house unless accompanied by a parent. Period.

          • MarkOH

            LOL, it was a different time. I can remember a bunch of us going over the HS theater director / speech teachers house to watch “Carol Burnett”. His wife (soon ex – after he came out) would make us snacks. Small town but can’t imagining that happening today.

          • gaymex

            Those were the days when no one gave those visits a second thought. There’s so much fear now that it’s eliminating healthy adult/child relationships. I think it’s a real shame.

          • MarkOH

            So do I. There are kids out there with no adult roll models nor the feeling of an adult who has their back. And we penalize the ones who can help. It is sad.

          • WWMD

            That is one hundred percent accurate

          • So sad–I’m involved in the Real Story Safe Sex Project, where a number of us who are authors–in order to promote safe sex among gay and bisexual youth (who are being infected with HIV at a much higher rate than the general population)–have used gay or bisexual characters from our Young Adult novels to do new and stand alone stories. The original intent was to have this like the “It Gets Better” Campaign. Unfortunately not a single AIDS/HIV Service Organization wants to be involved in providing free (out materials are free since our purpose is getting prevention materials into the hands of our target audience, not making money) HIV prevention materials to youth. When I’ve asked a number of openly gay executive directors of the organizations, they are very upfront with the idea they are too terrified of right-wing extremists attacking them as pedophiles if they were to attempt to do outreach to gay and bisexual youth.

            If you’re curious–you can find more about it by doing a browser search on RSSSP or you can download my contribution for free on any of the major ebook providers like Amazon, Itunes, B&N, etc.

          • gaymex

            I have kids in all the time…very seldom alone. I suppose one of them could go nuts on me, but fortunately Mexico is a different culture.
            You never speak to them alone, even in public? A kid wouldn’t have to be alone with you to fabricate things. False charges still bring on publicity.
            But if that works for you, then it’s good.

          • Mark

            Sadly, I am of the same decision.

          • Steve Teeter

            I’m with you.

      • I remember one case from the early 90s where the DA (just before an election, can you imagine?) held a press conference where they showed “dozens of videotapes seized during a search” stacked on the desk behind him.

        Charges were eventually dropped. The tapes were all just Hollywood movies, etc. The DA was trying to imply that they were illegal… they were just crap like “Beverly Hills Cop,” etc.

    • Cousin Bleh

      I thought there was video?

    • D. Gray

      Oh, Terry likes them younger, but he’s not a fool.
      Now Gus Van Sant likes them even younger, and he’s not so wise…

    • WWMD

      Aside from the fact his boyfriend was 25

  • BillTheCat45

    JOE: YOUR FRONT PAGE is broken. It takes you to the Jersey City Bar story. something is messed up, heh.

    • HoneyBoySmith

      So, it’s not just me?


      Mobile seems to be working fine, though.

      • Octavio

        The guys with no necks extorting cheap booze from the gay bar have struck. Everyone’s dog is next on their list!

      • Mike in Texas

        I think it happens when we arrive at the site while a new article is being posted. I happened to me several times today while Joe was adding updates to the first Kim Davis post of the day.

    • Sage

      it did the same thing about the rowan county story to me earlier today, TO MUCH traffic on his server poor thing is over heating LOL, JOE you got ONE HOTTTTTT SERVER LOL

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      My front page just started working again. Try now.

    • Keiffer

      When this occurred to me yesterday, Joe inquired if I was using Chrome. I confirmed that this was the case. Something is up with Chrome and this server that flakes out from time to time. IE had no problem but when I checked Chrome it had worked out its issue.

      • Bad Tom

        It happened to me while using Firefox.

        • MarkOH


          • Schlukitz

            I’m using Chrome and had some log-in issues a short while ago.

        • Hryflex

          Same thing happened to me on Firefox.

      • Ray Taylor

        I’m using Opera which uses the chrome kernel. I had a different problem occasionally, when I click on a new reply it will scroll immediately down more than a page. Then I have to try to figure where I was.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Story looks completely different now. Just reminds us all “not to judge until you have all the facts”.

    • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

      My feeling is that now we don’t have any facts. Just press releases while people aren’t under oath. I’m not taking either party’s side – the whole thing just seemed a mix between a sideshow and a shitshow

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        Quite right. Now at least we have heard two very different accounts.
        I think before this, most assumed Bean was guilty, without having heard his side.

        • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

          Sure. Power usually corrupts, so we tend to assume the one with the career and the money was probably the corrupted one. And who among us isn’t cynical because of all of the Catholic priest bullshit about either the devil seducing the priest or the boy that he fucked seducing the priest?

          • BobSF_94117

            The one with the career and the money is the prosecutor. Our system incentivizes winning, not justice. Winning.

          • Steve Teeter

            It’s also possible that everything happened as alleged, but the boy did it willingly, had a great time, and now wants nothing to do with putting Bean in prison. That seems most likely.

  • Gigi

    He’s got to be guilty because all gay men are child molesters, or so they like to say over at The “Christian” Post.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    ok, none of us shall ever speak of it again.


  • Sk3ptic

    Every time I see this mug shot I think he’s wearing the goofiest looking brooch or boutonniere…then I realize it’s a seal. Getting time for readers I guess.

    • BobSF_94117

      Why would a seal be wearing a boutonniere?

      • Sk3ptic

        See what I mean?? Readers.

      • John T

        Dressed up for a club date.

        • BobSF_94117

          You deserve both an up-vote and a down-vote for that one.

  • KT

    As more details emerge, this case gets more and more muddled. Bean’s press release doesn’t help to clear things up either. If Bean was being set up by his ex, then why would the ex let himself be charged with having sex with a minor? And what about the $200,000 proposed settlement? If the defense was so set to have their day in court, why did they offer cash to settle the case? If they did that, their version of the story might never had gotten out. The alleged victims is still claiming the events occurred but is trying his hardest to not testify and accused the prosecutor of bullying him. There is so much we do not know about this story and I imagine the actual truth might never see the light of day.

    • BobSF_94117

      Why the ex let himself…. plea deal

      Proposed settlement…. never underestimate the desire/need to put an end to something

    • Mark_in_MN

      Why would the ex let himself be charged… Perhaps it didn’t go as planed or he didn’t think the whole thing through very carefully.

  • TallBearNC

    Unfortunately gay people are just as capable of any crime as straight people are. It’s nice to think that the gay community is above certain crimes… But we are not. That shooting in Roanoke Virginia was actually a black, Gay X reporter that shot The blonde reporter and the cameraman and put the video on the Internet as he was doing it. He said he did it because Allison Parker I think her name was he claims that she made homophobic and racial slur’s towards him which she did not, and that the cameraman went to HR and got him fired… This man has had a string of complaints against TV station since the 90s… Now was he really the subject of racial and homophobia issues? Or was he simply messed up in the head and seeing discrimination where none existed? But either way it doesn’t excuse his behavior of murdering people and especially putting the murder on the Internet for everybody to see – plus they were murdered while on live television so there are two separate videos… One from the television station from the camera man’s point of view as I got shot and one from the killers… And both videos lineup perfectly which authenticate them – meaning nothing was faked – unless you believe the conspiracy freaks that the television station and the killer made all of this up and everyone is alive and in hiding dash because according to the nut jobs… The female reporter ran away and she was being filled with bullets and it is impossible to run while somebody is shooting you (sarcasm)… Whatever anybody would probably run for the life… Anyway I have a point to all of this

    My point is I was gay people are completely capable of doing anything that straight people are – except for direct reproduction amongst ourselves – unless we have medical intervention… Otherwise we are perfectly capable of the full range of emotion that human being can experience… It also means we can suffer from mental illness just like everybody else does or by breaking the law or doing something wrong or even God for bid child molesting. Although it has been proven that actual gay people have a very very low chance of child molestation

    However, if this man has been guilty, he would not of been guilty of child molest station because the person in question is not a young team but a mid team… So it would’ve been statutory rape because technically most people 17 and under cannot make sexual decisions according to the law… And in some states The legal age of consent actually drops to 14 or 15. In an actual odd twist in the state of Kentucky, a 25-year-old gay man could marry a 16-year-old gay teenager. Whatever, in most states, and it still on the books in most states – just not enforced the legal age of consent for same-sex is 21 years old – but that is rarely enforced. So with different states having different ages of consent for sex and marriage… It brings up a whole Nother set of questions that if this man is guilty did he do something morally wrong? Because according to one state it would be moral or legal and another state it would be illegal Immoral ? So where is the line drawn between statutory rape and child molest station and where is the line drawn between what is acceptable and not acceptable? I’m only playing devils advocate here because I believe anyone that does something with somebody under 18 is plain stupid because they risk having bad things happen to them, and there’s no reason why somebody can’t seek somebody out closer to their own age…now if it’s a situation where the heterosexual or homosexual couple are teenagers and dating in high school, and one turns 18 and the other one is still 16 or 17… Then I firmly believe that there should be laws in place to protect that 18-year-old because I wanted to-year-old age difference is no big deal… But a The five-year-old has no business dating a teenager in my opinion. So I hope this guy really is innocent because he is a pillar for the community and the gay community out there and it would be a shame that some one that the gay community has put out there as an example for us all actually did engage in sex with a minor. So I’m hoping this man truly is innocent.

    • Schlukitz

      You’re right. Gay people are just as capable of any crime as straight people are.

      That said, however, I don’t it is fair to equate the thousands of LGBT people who have, in fact, been murdered by straights, Christian zealots, faggot-haters and madmen in general, not to mention all of the suicides that have been brought about by the voluminous amount of bigotry, fag-hating, verbal abuse and mistreatment of the LGBT population at large, with a pretty much isolated instance of gay-violence against the straight community.

      It is tantamount to Sally Kern, R-OK, labelling all gay people as “terrorists” and Tony Perkins of FRC saying that all gay people are violent murderers because of the attack on their office by a gay man that resulted in a guard being wounded, not killed.

      We are less than 10% of the population (less than 1.5% if we are to believe our enemies) and to conflate that we are just as bad, if not worse than straights, and therefore just as big a threat to them, is disingenuous.

  • Cuberly

    On Mediate about a week ago there was a relentless troll hitting every LGBT post. It was disgusting. On and on he went on about Bean and how all LGBTs are perverts. It was obvious it was just a rage-monkey troll making the posts but still, it was jarring.

  • David Gervais

    Does Hasselman have proof of this supposed settlement offer? He doesn’t seem to have a good record of proving things he puts in press releases.

  • RaygunsGoZap

    OMG! This just in:

    Ran into my last boss in the elevator bay. He’s from Oregon and gay as well. When I asked if he had followed the case, I learned that he knows Terry and has since college. His opinion: polarizing guy, done a lot of good with his money, desperately shamelessly seeking young ass at all times. 😳😳😳

    • QLite

      Well, if he’s seeking young ass then you are totally safe. If he’s seeking good-looking ass, then you’re also safe. And if he’s seeking ass that hasn’t been sold for $25, then again, you’re safe.

      • RaygunsGoZap

        I forgive you!

        • QLite

          But you can’t forgive your parents.

  • gaymex

    This is off topic, but an old and dear friend of mine has died–Lord Montagu of Beaulieu. Google him sometime to see what a rough time he faced in the hands of the self-righteous. I will miss him.

    • Richard

      Having been raised in England I took my 13 year old Son to visit family and Lord Montagu’s car collection was his favorite part of the visit. His Lordship was actually jailed for having sex. Our present generation of gay youngsters need to be taught that our current freedom was paid for by those who came before us.

  • Frank Dash

    Anyone else shocked by the unprofessional language in this legal retort? I think Mr Bean was lucky that this mess worked out, and he didn’t need this lawyer in the courtroom.

    • Mark_in_MN

      Could you please identify the “unprofessional language” that you’re so shocked about?

  • 2patricius2

    I can’t help but think of a couple Catholic priests I know who had similar things happen. In one instance, the accusations brought by a minor didn’t mesh with the facts corroborated by others. In another, the minor and his family sued for money but didn’t show in court each time the case was to be heard. So the priest is in limbo, with no closure because the accuser has refused to show or be cross examined.

    There are some careers in which some professionals have to walk a fine line to not expose themselves to false accusations. True, there are priests and teachers and others who do abuse minors. But there are some instances in which priests and teachers and other public officials are falsely accused and their reputations ruined.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Case closed. Let’s move on.

  • another_steve

    Confusing and disgusting on so many levels that I’ve lost track.

    The solution, imo:

    (1) Decriminalize all 100 percent consensual sexual relations between 100 percent mentally competent human beings.

    (2) Stop treating young people as chattel incapable of having — and acting upon — sexual desire.

    (3) Find a compassionate and sane way of intelligently and discriminately identifying and ending true sexual predation — regardless of the ages of the individuals involved.

    • Cousin Bleh

      I realize it’s been like a million years since you were a teenager, but have you met one recently? They’re barely mentally competent enough to walk down the street without getting hit be a car.

      • another_steve

        Nonsense. The young ones are incredibly smart and savvy today. They play by different rules than you and I played by as youth, but that says nothing about their smarts and know-how.

        Most 15-year-olds today are more sexually with-it than most 60-year-olds are today. Gay and straight.

        In my opinion.

        • Cousin Bleh

          Yeh, here’s a shining example of one of today’s incredibly smart and savvy teens:


          • another_steve

            Oh come on. Extrapolating from the exception to the universe. :-/

            My husband’s 16-year-old god-daughter had a conversation with her queer uncles (he and I) the other week about her sexual adventures with her 14-year-old boyfriend. (That’s what queer uncles are for, right?)

            I was dazzled. Girl was more with-it, sexually, than half my old fart queer acquaintances.

            I took notes.

            That’s how impressed I was.

          • gaymex

            I think you’re right on with this, Steve.

          • Cousin Bleh

            How is the single individual you quoted any more or less representative of millennials than the story of the individual I posted?

            In fact, technical savviness and zero empathy for others are hallmarks of millennials.

          • another_steve

            I’m a daoist biological determinist — perhaps an odd blend — and I believe that humankind is in a perpetual state of evolving to the ‘more useful’ and the ‘more beneficial.’ The Way of Things, the dao, always moves in the direction of the more useful and beneficial.

            This is not a “religious” view.

            Young people today are moving toward the more useful and the more beneficial, imo.

            It’s a very slow movement.

            So slow that if you look for it, you will not see it. 😉

          • Cousin Bleh

            Despite all evidence to the contrary. Good luck with that.

          • Mark_in_MN

            How many millennials do you actually know? Typified by zero empathy? That’s not my experience with people of that age group.

          • Ray Taylor

            What a horrible girl.

        • JustDucky

          This is not a matter of opinion. There is a mountain of empirical data regarding the adolescent brain and that data does not support your speculation about “kids these days.” Teens – especially young teens – have poorer judgement and less impulse control than pre-adolescent children.

          The New Yorker had an article on the adolescent brain not too long ago that is worth reading:


          And if you’d like to read more on the topic, this is a fairly accessible starting point that provides a good overview:


          • another_steve

            I have limited confidence in the “studies” on this, JD.

            Researchers, in our Judeo-Christian culture, experience a subliminal, “felt” impulse to reaffirm the chattel status of young people. This is so ingrained in the Judeo-Christian subconscious that we don’t even recognize or acknowledge it.

            In my opinion.

          • JustDucky

            Willful ignorance is absolved neither by the use of scare quotes nor by a desire to cling to opinions.

            And by the way, the Abrahamic faiths are absolutely not opposed to kiddie fucking. Their texts, written in a time before science introduced the concept of adolescence, favor the practice.

          • another_steve

            Oh no! Are you accusing me and my sincerely-held views of “willful ignorance,” JD? Are you going down that sad path? /-:

            You would not be the first commenter on this lovely blog of Joe’s to go all ad hominem on me — but if that’s the case, I’m not going to waste any more of my precious time reading your comments.

          • JustDucky

            Steve, it doesn’t matter that your views are sincerely held. That is irrelevant. And attacking your argument (“I have limited confidence in the ‘studies’ on this”) as willful ignorance is not engaging in fallacious reasoning relying on a personal attack.

            “Willful ignorance is the state and practice of ignoring any sensory input that appears to contradict one’s inner model of reality. At heart, it is almost certainly driven by confirmation bias.

            It differs from the standard definition of ‘ignorance’ — which just means that one is unaware of something — in that willfully ignorant people are fully aware of facts, resources and sources, but refuse to acknowledge them.”


            You appear to have summarily dismissed an entire field of study because, through application of the scientific method, that field of study has obtained results that conflict with your “sincerely-held views.” That is engaging in willful ignorance.

            Now, if I am mistaken and you instead disagree with all of the results obtained because of specific methodological objections or specific objections to the interpretation of specific results then I apologize. If that is the case, I greatly look forward to reading your specific concerns regarding each of the studies cited in both articles.

            But nothing in your initial response leads me to believe that this is the case. In fact, I question whether you even clicked on either of the links I provided. Nevertheless, you are now “fully aware of…resources” (as I have provided two and would be happy to provide more) “but refuse to acknowledge them.”

            What would you call that?

          • another_steve

            JD — Your premise is wrong from the get-go. It certainly does matter whether one’s views are sincerely held. Our views — yours, mine and everyone else’s — are sacrosanct. Those views might evolve over time, through a civil exchange of ideas or otherwise, but in the moment, they are sacrosanct.

            I thank you for the civil dialogues we’ve had up to now, and wish you well.

          • JustDucky

            No matter how sincerely you believe that the earth is flat, the earth is not flat. Your belief in a flat earth does not alter the physical properties of the planet any more than your belief that the brains of adolescent children are not undergoing synaptic pruning prevents their brains from undergoing synaptic pruning.

            And the belief that your opinions are “extremely sacred or inviolable” (the definition of sacrosanct) is a strikingly religious view. It seems you “don’t even recognize or acknowledge” the Judeo-Christian influence on your thoughts about “sincerely held” belief.

    • Silver Badger

      I think possibly what’s needed is a uniform age of consent. The same age in all 50 states. As a teenager I would have been easy meat, ready and willing. As an adult, I can see that my teenage self was not really competent to make such decisions.

      • another_steve

        It’s a terribly difficult social issue imo, SB. Akin, in my opinion, to the issue of 2nd Amendment rights. Terribly, terribly difficult.

        I don’t like a law — any law — that indiscriminately draws lines for expediency sake. That’s what the “sexual consent” laws do. Draw arbitrary lines for expediency.

        Human beings are more deserving than that. Than laws based on “expediency.”

        • JustSayin’

          Steve there is more than just expediency in the age limits even if they are not uniform enough and low enough for your tastes.

          Facts are facts, as a group teenagers don’t make the best decisions, are easy to manipulate , and inducing teens with drugs and or alcohol is documented to make the teens feel more important, more adult, more mature than they are. Those things, drugs and alcohil, also lead to bad decisions in both teens and adults

          I for one don’t want 20, 30, or 40 year olds (and higher) being able to legally prey on minors. That does not mean they are chattel, it means they aren’t collective and uniformly smart enough and experienced enough to be making those choices.

          If for some reason your claims and demands of a lower age of consent occurred then next hill someone would battle is letting 8 year olds drive cars because “they know one that is mature enough” or “they were mature enough”.

          The exact claims all those pushing for sex with minors use to justify kiddie fucking.

        • Silver Badger

          I have to agree with JustSayin on this one. Kids messing around with kids their own age is one thing. Kids being preyed on by people 10 or 20 years older is quite another.

          • Steve Teeter

            Maybe so, but it can work out. My first time I was 19 and he was 42, and one of my teachers at college. A clear abuse of authority, you might say, but we’re still together and it’s been 39 years.

          • Silver Badger


    • Shy Guy

      I agree. Sadly in practice (3) is almost impossible to achieve.
      Also, who’s to judge the 100% consensuality and competency?

      There will always be manipulative predators who can plausibly feign innocent intentions, and similarly malicious wolf-criers who accuse innocent people for their own ends. This is very hard to judge legally.

      It seems the easy cop-out is a fixed age that is black and white, just because it makes enforcement simple, regardless of the actual circumstances.

    • JB


  • Cousin Bleh

    Joe, I don’t see anything in the statement from Bean’s attorney or the linked news story that supports your headline, which says Bean never met the alleged victim.

    The statement says Bean left the hotel room “before anything happened.” I took that to mean he realized the hookup was underage and left.

    • JustSayin’

      Well cousin, you can take it how you like but that does not make the headline wrong…..don’t you have something better to do than bitch and moan over nothing?

  • A Black

    The defense was so sure they’d win yet Bean still felt the need to settle for 200k. Just because we have another side doesn’t automatically exonerate Bean. The kid also tried to commit suicide so I’m definitely thinking something happened. Also if your defense is “I left the room” but your name was on the bill for it that definitely raises some questions.

  • Jim

    Seems to me that if you’ve just escaped by the skin of your teeth, you ought to have the good sense to keep your mouth shut, Mr. Bean. You’re not helping yourself.

    • NZArtist

      You know, unless you’re actually innocent, and pissed off someone tried (but failed) to blackmail you, and had dragged your reputation through the shit, and ….
      Yeah, best just to slink away letting everyone think the worst about you.

      • Jim

        Except he’s not innocent.

        • NZArtist

          “One of the most sacred principles in the American criminal justice system, holding that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the prosecution must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, each essential element of the crime charged.”

          You are *so* un-American. Actually the phrase pre-dates America, but you know what I mean.
          He’s innocent of any crime relating to this case, has not been shown to be guilty of anything. Your prejudice and things you are sure you ‘know’ aren’t proof of anything.
          So…. you’re just making shit up.

          • Jim

            If I were a juror, I’d be bound by the presumption of innocence which applies only in a court during a trial. There is no trial, and I’m not a juror. As a private citizen, I get to form opinions. I think Bean is guilty. I posted elsewhere that I think a fifteen-year-old should manage his own sex life for himself without the intervention of the nanny state. I don’t think Bean did anything morally wrong. But he still broke the law; he knows he broke the law; everybody else knows it. His pretense of innocence is absurd. Now that he’s out of legal jeopardy, he needs to shut up and disappear from public view for a while.

          • NZArtist

            You ‘know’ this? Everybody ‘knows’ this?
            Blimey. I thought the age of mind readers and sooth-sayers was done.
            Thanks for your incredibly well-informed opinions.

          • Jim

            I’m not reading minds; I’m reading press accounts. So are you. If you refuse to go where the evidence takes you, that’s your business. But your refusal is not fair-minded thinking; it’s stubborn denial. There’s nothing complex about this case. The evidence is plain and largely uncontested. It’s reasonable to conclude that Mr. Bean did what he was accused of and that lucky for him the prosecutor botched the case.

          • NZArtist

            What evidence? There is no evidence. There has been no trial.
            I see you’re completely willing to accept media accounts, but entirely discount accused account of what happened?
            “But he still broke the law; he knows he broke the law; everybody else knows it.”
            He didn’t break any laws at all according to the court case. Oh, there wasn’t one. You don’t know shit – you’re just making this all up as you go along.
            How’s that law degree of yours coming along?

  • Puckfair52

    I figured after Marriage Equality they would be gunning for a sensational case! I realize these supposed events predate that!

  • Gerry Fisher

    I don’t know what to make of it all (except that the 25 y/o boyfriend is a scumbag). I agree with those who said we’ll never know the truth about exactly what happened.

  • JustSayin’

    Well for now this is done, but it might come back. As it stands we have a bunch of he said he said and some dueling press releases.

    It is a rare defendant, famous or not, that decides to not fight back in the media when heinous claims of rape are leveled at them. I just don’t know that I believe what Beans lawyer said. I also don’t believe the prosecutor wasn’t overreaching and playing this for the media.

    In the mean time all of you advocating to be able to fuck minors really should seek therapy and maybe help gaining some maturity.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    If these are the correct events then I would really love to see the ex, his accomplice, the prosecutor, and the kid charged. If this was all about money then the kid should be charged for extortion. If course now that they can’t be found that is impossible.

  • leastyebejudged

    Wouldn’t surprise me one bit that he was thrown under the bus by “the community”.

    Nobody ever goes after the corrupt DA’s and investigators and judges.
    That’s where the real story always is, in how our politics always fucks up any semblance of “justice” in this country.