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ACLU Files Contempt Of Court Motion Against Kim Davis, Say They Don’t Want Her Incarcerated UPDATE: Hearing On Motion Set For Thursday

September 1, 2015 Hate Groups, Marriage Equality, Religion

The ACLU has filed a federal motion asking that Kim Davis be cited for contempt of court. The motion declares that the ACLU is not seeking to have Davis arrested. From the motion:

Plaintiffs have established a prima facia case, in that they have shown by sufficient evidence that Defendant Davis, in refusing to grant Plaintiffs Miller and Roberts a marriage license following the U.S. Supreme Court’s denial of her most recent (and final) attempt to stay the August 12, 2015, preliminary injunction, has, in fact, violated a definite and specific order of this Court. Because Davis cannot show either that she is unable to comply with the August 12, 2015, order or that she has taken all reasonable steps to comply, this Court is left with no choice but to hold her in contempt. Plaintiffs do not seek to compel Davis’ compliance through incarceration. Since Defendant Davis continues to collect compensation from the Commonwealth for duties she fails to perform, Plaintiffs urge the the Court to impose financial penalties sufficiently serious and increasingly onerous to compel Davis’ immediate compliance without further delay.

See the full filing.

UPDATE: That was fast.contempthearing
UPDATE II: Details from the AP.

An attorney says the Kentucky clerk who won’t issue marriage licenses and all her deputy clerks have been called for a federal court hearing Thursday morning. Rowan County Attorney Cecil Watkins says the federal court alerted him that a hearing is scheduled for 11 a.m. Thursday in Ashland. Watkins says clerk Kim Davis is summonsed to attend, along with all the deputy clerks who work in her office. Davis stopped issuing licenses in the days after the U.S. Supreme Court legalized gay marriage. A federal judge ordered her to issue them, and an appeals court upheld that decision. Still, she turned away couples. The Supreme Court declined to intervene on Monday, leaving Davis no legal grounds to refuse. But her office turned away several couples Tuesday morning. Davis invoked “God’s authority” in doing so. Attorneys for the two gay couples who originally sued in the case have asked U.S. District Judge David Bunning to hold Davis in contempt. They want Davis punished only with fees, not jail time.

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  • TheManicMechanic

    In the clink, dammit!

  • MarkOH

    “Plaintiffs urge the the Court to impose financial penalties sufficiently
    serious and increasingly onerous to compel Davis’ immediate compliance
    without further delay”

    Perfect.

    • lymis

      As a minimum, she should be fined her daily salary.

      • Gustav2

        Increasing 10% (tithe? lol) a day.

        • Rocketeer500

          I think your percentage truncated. Don’t you mean 100%?

          • rabbit_ears

            Nope. Next day is 110%, then 120%..

        • OrliJoe in Fla

          Brilliant!

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Actually, she should be fined double her daily salary in order to make it as expensive as possible while still keeping it within legal bounds.

        • Michael Rush

          this was from an article friday

          Rowan County officials announced Friday that they have asked the attorney general to charge Kim Davis with misconduct under KRS 522.020 and KRS 522.030. One is a Class A misdemeanor punishable with imprisonment not to exceed 12 months and fine of $500. The other is a Class B misdemeanor punishable with up to 90 days imprisonment and a fine of $250. Which degree of culpability applies to Ms. Davis would be decided after a guilty verdict at trial, but the offense is the same:

          “A public servant is guilty of official misconduct in the first degree when, with intent to obtain or confer a benefit or to injure another person or to deprive another person of a benefit, knowingly commits an act relating to his office which constitutes an unauthorized exercise of his official functions or refrains from performing a duty imposed upon him by law or clearly inherent in the nature of his office or violates any statute or lawfully adopted rule or regulation relating to his office.”

          interesting article …

          http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/uncucumbered/want_kentucky_clerk_kim_davis_fired_rowan_county_officials_are_trying

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I was unaware. Hopefully she will be personally sued for denial of civil rights and the harm cause by such denial.

          • Michael Rush

            unable to do her job , we want her to resign , like Keith Bardwell did in 2009 when he refused to marry an interracial couple

            http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/03/louisiana.interracial.marriage/index.html?iref=24hours

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Oh, absolutely. That isn’t even in question. She must be removed from her position.

          • Michael Rush

            can she have her cake and eat it to ? methinks not .

          • Christopher Smith

            Personally suing her will do less than nothing. Liberty Counsel needs to be sued.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            That’s an idea I can get behind. Suing Davis and LC sounds like a good idea. As does disbarring any and all lawyers who work there.

      • D. J.

        I’d start at around $50K/day. It needs to be high enough that outside groups will have a hard time raising money fast enough to donate on her behalf.

        • drbrentzenobia

          Outside groups should be prohibited from fund raising for her or risk being fined as an accessory to contempt.

          • D. J.

            Great idea!

          • vorpal

            I’m not convinced. I like the idea of a stupid homophobe tax going to fund government programs.

          • ZhyKitty

            If they directly funded Planned Parenthood with it, their heads would pop off and explode.

          • OrliJoe in Fla

            I’m good with this idea!

          • vorpal

            Now THAT would be something worthwhile to mount over the fireplace, unlike the heads of poor African lions :(.

          • ZhyKitty

            Agreed. : (

          • drbrentzenobia

            Impound the funds they raise, shutter the fundraising website until they cease and desist, and fine them an additional $10k/day for good measure.The courts need to put a stop to this.

          • Bad Tom

            If Homeland Security can seize one website, they can seize another.

      • Brian in Valdosta

        A perfectly fitting punishment, I’d say.

    • Craig S

      I’m sure the state of Kentucky can use some extra cash. And if it cash donated by rabid right wing Christians, then I will hope that at least some of that cash is redirected to Planned Parenthood :)

      • Jack M.

        The money will go to the federal government, not to Kentucky.

      • ZhyKitty

        Great minds think alike! I posted and then almost immediately saw your comment! lol

    • VodkaAndPolitics

      Yes, Fine the bejesus out of her. I’d much rather her hatred fill the treasury than have to pay for her incarceration.

    • Over the past two months of refusing to do her job she has received over $13,000 in salary. That would be a good number to begin with.

  • Gigi

    They might not want her to go to prison BUT I DO!

    • OniRaptor

      then she becomes a “martyr for the cause”. That would just make everything more stupid.

      • …um, any more than the old hags already have made her?

        You’re late on that one.

      • medaka

        The martyry-est halo she will ever wear will be inscribed: I Am Gorge Fucking Wallace.

        • David Walker

          Perhaps she/they should remember how he wound up as well as what he stood for, while he could stand. No, I’m NOT advocating bodily harm to her.

      • Chucktech

        So, christianist entitlement, privilege, and law flouting continue to reign supreme? No. I’d have no problem with this whole episode being the opening salvo on run-amok special christian rights. Has to happen sooner or later.

        • ZhyKitty

          Exactly. This fight was always going to happen.
          Better to go ahead and get it on….

          • Chucktech

            We always said it was coming…

        • Christopher Smith

          Thank you! BRING IT ON.

      • Gigi

        It can’t get any more stupid. Either way they’ll cry persecution.

        • Gene

          but incarceration would just set out opponants on fire. “she is like Paul in Rome!” they will start to shout…and donate, and volunteer….to the downside of many other good causes they had slacked off in fighting due to a sense of “oh shit..what just hit us?”. No, the ACLU is right in this…but, on a PERSONAL level? I would have the fat bitch breaking rocks or making license plates….rainbow colored license plates.
          😉

          • Gigi

            I don’t disagree but like I said above, no matter what happens they’ll cry PERSECUTION.

          • Christopher Smith

            Nope. Absolutely wrong. The lack of incarceration will just make them pull this shit again, and again, and again. We have been the victims of the fascist theocrats LONG ENOUGH.

      • mwest

        I see this comment a lot but all the bakers and florists who refused to serve gay people were merely fined and not put in jail and yet they’re still martyrs for their cause.

        The fact that they weren’t put in jail actually emboldened them as it allowed them to travel on the anti gay circuit making appearances with various GOP candidates.

        Really she needs to be put in jail so people can just get bored with her antics and forget about her. Fining her will accomplish little if she still remains defiant.

      • Rambie

        They’ll do the martyr thing no matter what, a perp-walk would just feed the bigots pics though.

      • Christopher Smith

        She already is. That ship sailed months ago. What is stupid is not jailing her. That ’cause’ is ready to kill us–in fact that’s what they really want. This bloodbath of a national fight with the Xtians is inevitable and will happen. BRING IT ON.

    • BlueberriesForMe

      “special guest star” on “Orange Is The New Black”?

      • Gigi

        Guard: “Kim… meet Boo. You two are gonna be roommates.”

        Boo: “Hi Kim. I’ve read that you’re a homophobic bigot. Well I’m a BIG DYKE!”

        • Chucktech

          …and I don’t love jesus…

          • George M Melby

            ROFLMBO!!! Hoo boyyyyyyyy… I see future sparks in this cell block!

      • AtticusP

        Time for me to invest in a widescreen TV?

        • D. J.

          Maybe invest in wear-a-rug, then use the dividends to buy the new TV.

      • Cousin Bleh

        Not even Sophia could fix that hair.

    • David Walker

      I’m getting dizzy from us taking the high road on this.

      • Steverino

        I’m getting a nosebleed. But maybe that’s a psychosomatic response to us being bashed yet again.

      • Christopher Smith

        I’m having projectile vomiting.

    • Comixbear

      Not to prison…to a foreign country.

      • Gigi

        Not Canada. We don’t want her here. She might like it in Iran. She could be in charge of throwing is off tall buildings.

        • Steverino

          At least she would be forced to cover up.

        • Shy Guy

          Iran still hangs us. It’s ISIS who do the building thing.

          I made the mistake of viewing the photos on another site. :(

          • Gigi

            Terrible I know. I did as well. I still haven’t fully recovered.

      • Rambie

        Send her to Saudi Arabia as a Christian missionary….

        • Comixbear

          You had me at ‘send her to Saudi Arabia’.

    • LovesIrony

      me too

    • Rambie

      They’ll make her a martyr no matter if it’s a fine or a prison stint. But there won’t be any perp-walk pics for them to use if she’s just fined to the point on complying or quitting.

      • Gigi

        Still want to see her ugly ass in jail. 😉

        • Rambie

          Oh so do I! In fact, I want to see her 4th hubby try and stop the police and end up in jail too.

  • Treg Brown

    I would love to see financial penalties more than arrest. Remove her from the building, (maybe bring in some police dogs), a SWAT team (in case her hillbilly adulterer husband starts something), and start with daily fines.

    • medaka

      (maybe bring in some police dogs)

      She might like that. Sniffy sniffy.

      • TampaDink

        She might steal the dogs.

        • TheManicMechanic

          Oh to the snap!

          • TampaDink

            She had it coming.

          • medaka

            Cumming in spades with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abendnego.

            And Porno Pete is jerking off uncontrollably to all of this. Again. Hi Pussyshitface!

          • TampaDink

            Pussyshitface…..I think he was one of my fraternity brothers back in college.

          • bambinoitaliano

            She only had herself to blame

            If you’d have been there

            If you’d have seen it
            I betcha would have done the same.

          • David Walker
          • TampaDink

            Nice catch! Bonus points for you.

        • Treg Brown

          Good point! I’d forgotten about that!

          • TampaDink

            She’d like everyone else to forget about that too.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Never !!

          • David Walker

            I bet in the not-too-distant future she’ll like everyone else to forget about this shit, too

          • TampaDink

            I wouldn’t bet on that….this is a crime that has made her a front page news story across the country.

          • David Walker

            Yes, but we haven’t arrived at the –30– yet. What I really, truly wish is that she has a revelation concerning the shit she’s done. Sort of a Saul/Paul thing, in her vernacular. THEN she’d be very happy to have all this go away. Lord, I am dreaming a lot.

          • TampaDink

            Your dreams of her having an “aha moment” are noble but unlikely. Dreams are good. Dreaming is free…or so someone once said…and sang.

        • medaka

          #FreeCharlieBrown

          Just don’t do it anywhere near Kim’s fiery furnace.

          • It’s a dry heat.

          • Bad Tom

            There are lotions for that.

          • In KY even. . . .

          • Treg Brown

            Saw what you did there
            :)

          • TampaDink

            Kim’s fiery furnace? Is that what she calls her bedroom, her favorite honeymoon retreat or her lady parts?

          • Rocketeer500

            Damn, where did I put that brain bleach?

          • TampaDink

            I keep mine between the bourbon & the vodka. ;-p

          • ScottJL

            Yes.

    • KenDC

      She will have a legal defense fund going in no time, and it will attract substantial contributions. But it isn’t a classic legal defense fund. I suspect that it the contributions go directly to legal representation, you may be able to avoid taxes on those funds. In this case, the money would have to flow directly to Davis; then, I suspect, she would be taxed on it. Could she use contributions to pay the tax? Anyone with any expertise on this? If the bigoted pizza parlor could rake in what it did, am I wrong to assume that Davis would receive significant financial support in her fight on behalf of the Lord against cocksuckers?

    • Ron Robertson

      Instead of an arrest, can she both be fined, and not allowed into the building, since she refused to do her job?

  • Dale082

    While this is probably the correct thing to do I STILL want to see that smug bitch in handcuffs! After all, putting her in jail would definitely make her a Dramamartyr.

    • rabbit_ears

      She’s got her Lee Press-On Stigmata all ready so make her day!

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Our side is always way too nice. Throw her in the slammer and let her think about what she’s done wrong.

    • MrSkippy

      Don’t do that. That makes her a martyr. That makes her someone the teabillies can rally around. “She was locked up for her beliefs” they’ll say.

      Better to just fine her fat ass. Take her money away so she can’t eat her precious fried chicken. The teatards aren’t gonna shout as loud that “She’s not doing her job so they’re taking her income away”

      • ScottJL

        She’s already a martyr, throwing her in jail will just limit her wardrobe options to an orange onesie.

      • olandp

        Yes they are. This “woman” is already a martyr, nothing will change that. The florist and the bakers never went to jail, but they are on the christian grift circuit and raking in the cash.

        • MrSkippy

          True, but jail is what they want for her. They want to be able to scream that she was locked up for being a Christian.

          If you think she’s a martyr now imagine what she’ll become with that behind her. She’ll be some kind of ultramartyr.

          Take the money out of her pocket and the food off her table. Best outcome: she loses her damn job.

          • Sometimes ya gotta put the fear of god in ’em.

            Make ’em put up or shut up.

          • LovesIrony

            jail is what I want for her. People are still being refused their constitutional right to marry! and you still think we should play nice? Fuck that its over and its time for consequences not please play nice kimmy. Milquetoast

          • George M Melby

            Not to mention her damn gut! Ramen IS a good substitute for bad food!

          • Christopher Smith

            Nope. Ship’s sailed. Liberty Counsel. It’s another seamy moneygrubbing crusade by the bigots, and they are rolling in donations from trailer trash.

        • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

          This was never about Kim Davis or about marriage licenses. She is a pawn, a willing pawn but still a pawn, toward their ultimate goal. What Liberty Counsel really wants is a national Indiana-style RFRA and they need a “Christian” thrown in jail to push that agenda.

          ACLU made the right call.

          • Christopher Smith

            ACLU made exactly the wrong call. She is already a ‘martyr’ and the miscarriage of justice in not throwing her in jail perfectly serves the ends of the reactionary bigots. They will continue to flout the law if they get by with this one.

        • Gerry Fisher

          Delaying incarceration or impeachment serves us. The longer this goes on, the more public sentiment swings in our favor.

          I wonder if you can sue the state for not managing her, for not impeaching her? That would be great, because it would directly hit the tax payers.

          • LovesIrony

            but you are not being denied your rights like these couples are. they deserve their marriage license today now this minute. If it takes incarceration or impeachment now then so be it. but denying these couples their constitutional rights is unacceptable any longer.

      • Toasterlad

        And what happens when she doesn’t pay? I guess nothing, since we’re terrified of putting her in prison.

        • MrSkippy

          Oh no, at that point you could lock her up. Although it’d be better to just garnish her wages. It’s not fear that makes me say don’t. It’s just a matter of practicality. It’ll hurt more to take money from her than lock her up.

          I’m just after what’s gonna hurt that cow most. And jail aint it.

          • Chucktech

            “Oh no, at that point you could lock her up.”

            THEN she gets her martyr status… Nope. Let’s just cut that corner.

          • LovesIrony

            milquetoast.

          • Chucktech

            “milquetoast”

          • LovesIrony

            THanks, I got some editing to do.

          • Shy Guy

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspar_Milquetoast

            Milktoast is apparently also acceptable:
            http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/milktoast

            Presumably since the character was named as a pun on milk toast anyway.

          • LovesIrony

            now you tell me after i edited.

          • Shy Guy

            Apologies. The pedant in me had wanted to write “It’s milquetoast!”, but before posting, I looked it up, and found that milktoast was also acceptable, so I didn’t say anything. Then when I came back later, someone else had already said it, so I thought I’d pass on what I’d learned.

          • George M Melby

            😉

          • Happy Dance

            “m*lq**t**st” LOL (Sorry..was channeling my inner One Meddling Mom)

          • RoFaWh

            Garnish her pension account too.

          • MrSkippy

            Oh just strip that puppy the hell away to pay the legal fees she’s cost the tax payers.

          • Rambie

            Yeah, fee the b**ch into bankruptcy

          • Todd20036

            Garnish for what reason? She didn’t do her job, she doesn’t get paid.

          • MrSkippy

            Yeah, that’d be nice if it worked that way. But you and I both know it doesn’t. She’s an elected official and salaried. She gets paid pretty much “no matter what”

        • Gerry Fisher

          I don’t think we’re terrified of it. I think we want it glaringly obvious that “we tried everything reasonable under the sun, and we were then left with no choice.” We’re getting very, very close to that point.

          • LovesIrony

            there are people denied their constitutional rights for 2+ months. They have been more than patient. It’s past time for trying anything else lock her fucking bigoted ass up

        • LovesIrony

          It has already taken too long with the judges denial of her stay but staying the denial. She should be on her second week of 3 hots and a cot already

        • Rambie

          Not terrified, I’d love to see it, but it’d just feed the bigots fire.

        • charliebkk

          Non-payment should not be a problem. The court can direct the county treasury to remit her salary directly to the fine. They can take her car, her house, seize her bank account. There are many ways to compel payment.

        • Happy Dance

          They will garnish it out of her check..don’t worry. And, since it is federal, it will follow her the rest of her life. She can’t even declare bankrupt for court ordered fines.

        • sfbob

          The courts have the authority to seize her bank account(s).

          • Shy Guy

            Since she was sued in her official capacity though, presumably only the bank accounts of the county clerk, not her personal ones?

          • sfbob

            Short term perhaps but she is in fact violating her oath of office. I believe Judge Bunning has already determined that her actions do not qualify her for sovereign immunity so yes, it’s gonna be her money. And if the county loses money because of her, they’ll sue her sorry ass too.

          • Christopher Smith

            Sadly, no. Liberty Counsel. tax-free ‘donations.’ This is a cash cow for the fascist reactionary bigots.

        • Rob

          They garnish wages or seize assets.

          • 2patricius2

            Her assets, her “christian” guns….

          • Todd20036

            My gun is Jewish, and no way is it going near her assets.

          • 2patricius2

            :-)

          • rob_d_m

            You have a silencer on that Uzi? ;-{)

        • ErikDC

          I expect the federal court will fine the county and not her. The aim is to force them to remove her from office. Sending Rowan County spiraling into debt would do that.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        They will still scream “She was fined for her beliefs.” You can’t win with these troglodytes.

        • MrSkippy

          True, but at least this way the tax payers get some of their money back. And it hits her where she doesn’t want it.

          • sfbob

            Well actually, the taxpayers who are footing the bill for Davis’s shenanigans won’t be getting any of that money back, at least not at the local level. It’ll go into the US Treasury. The county will probably sue her when this is all over.

      • LovesIrony

        hold her hand and sing Kumbyah? I am tired of “oh she’ll be a martyr”. I don’t give a fuck let her be a martyr to bigotry but let it be in jail. Milquetoast

        • MrSkippy

          Milk toast? I’m saying take food off her table. Hit her where it hurts. She WANTS to go to jail. Why give her what she wants? That’s like rewarding her for what she’s doing. Take her paycheck away. Fine the shit out of her so she can’t afford her single wide.

          THEN lock her fat ass up.

          • LovesIrony

            you’re letting her off too fucking easy

          • MrSkippy

            Am I? I’m suggesting you take 100% of her paycheck away. You think she got to be the size of a hippopotamus eating Ramen?

            I mean what does jail do? Sure it’s not a picnic but it’s what she WANTS to happen. Why give her that? Fuck her. Fuck what she wants. Take what’s important to her. Take her money.

          • Chucktech

            Jail is not only punishment, it’s a deterrent to crime. And that’s what this horrid shrew is guilty of.

          • MrSkippy

            Yeah but it’s a shitty deterrent. Just look at crime rates.

            Look, Jail works for you for the same reason it works for her: it’s visual. It makes her a martyr because people can SEE her locked up.

            Garnishing her wages doesn’t work for that because nobody sees it. Sure, people will yell about it and gripe about it but in the end, people are visual, we want to see it! If we can’t see it we won’t give a rats ass about it. But she’ll feel it. It’ll hurt like a mother too.

          • LovesIrony

            Yes you are. Jail is worse than a fine ask any judge or defense attorney.

          • MrSkippy

            I think you’re purposely missing the point here. But that’s ok.

            We can both agree this fat cow deserves whatever she gets. Jail or a giant fine (or both)… either way we still win.

          • LovesIrony

            but the longer these couples are denied their constitutional rights we lose

          • MrSkippy

            Yeah but sending her to jail doesn’t speed that up. She’s still the County Clerk until they can fire her sad sack ass and apparently she’s the ONLY one that can sign the damn papers. So jail doesn’t fix that issue.

          • 2patricius2

            Didn’t the federal marshals move in when Wallace tried to stop the integration of schools? Maybe they could federalize the clerk’s office to force licenses to be issued.

      • lattebud

        If she goes to jail, she will be called the “Nelson Mandela of our time.” Remember, she is being compared to Rosa Parks now.

        • MrSkippy

          Only by ignorant fucktards.

      • Jack

        No matter the fine, the cry will be that she is being bankrupted, targeted, ruined, forced into homelessness.

        We’re not talking about the reactions of sane people or people who are invested in actual acts. Merely opposing her makes her a martyr.

      • Christopher Smith

        Too late, ship’s sailed. She’s already the little hobitch of Liberty Counsel, which is the reactionary fascist outfit behind this money-grubbing stunt.

    • bambinoitaliano

      I doubt she will suffer in her county jail. She will be treated like staying in motel 6. Fine is the way to go. The larger the amount the better. It will scare away those jeebus organizations when they have to pay.

      • Reality.Bites

        They never pay.

        • Toasterlad

          RIGHT.

      • medaka

        Motel 6 for Wedding 5!!

        • Larry Ft Pierce

          to a broomstick.

      • sfbob

        County jail? No. This is a federal offense not a local one. She’ll go into whichever federal facility is closest.

      • Jack

        Why would it be county jail? She’s in contempt of a federal court.

        • bambinoitaliano

          Sorry not well verse with American justice system.

          • Jack

            And I’m clearly not well versed in reading people’s name. Scusimi, per piacere (from what I memorized before a trip to Italy).

    • Bryan

      I question whether she has the capacity for that.
      All that she can think about and could possibly admit to is that she’s following the word of god.
      I don’t think there’s much room for learning and growth about being “wrong” when civil law comes second to one’s religious beliefs. In jail she would just think she’s being “misunderstood,” or “persecuted” because of her constitutionally protected religious convictions.

      • Chucktech

        What she thinks while sitting in jail concerns me not in the least. As long as does this putative “thinking” in jail, that’s fine with me.

    • Wynter Marie Starr

      As satisfying as that would be, it is just what they are hoping for. We shouldn’t give it to them.

      • They already HAVE it. We’ve skedaddled right past that point. Time to take a few scalps.

        • Toasterlad

          Exactly. I don’t get the people who are terrified of making a martyr out of Kim Davis.

          She’s BEEN a martyr for TWO MONTHS. Do they honestly think anyone is still on the fence about this? That someone is going to see Kim Davis being led off to prison in handcuffs and say, “I was okay with waiting until she changed her mind about gay people; now they’ve gone TOO FAR!”?

          There’s only one way this ends. Let it end.

          • Chucktech

            Exactly. Jail can be her coup de grace, her swan song, her singing-like-the-fat-lady-she-is moment.

        • Wynter Marie Starr

          Cody, if I didn’t think that would come back and bite us hard on the ass, I’d agree. I’m not thinking short term here, but long term. I totally understand the anger. I feel it as well. If she is thrown in jail, that would set back full civil rights for the LGBT community as well as embolden other extremists/terrorists.

          The anger I feel towards this woman and her disgusting bigotry is immense. I’m looking a lot further down the road, however and there is nothing good that will come out of throwing this bitch in jail. It’s what she and her handlers want to happen. They have a plan and an agenda ready to go in the event they haul her fat ass away. And, it doesn’t bode well for our side.

          • LovesIrony

            and you are playing right in to their intimidation

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            No, I don’t think I am. I’m a student of humans and of their culture. I am aware of how fast people can turn on a dime. I don’t think she should be jailed mainly because that’s what they are hoping for to ignite the ignorant, the fearful, and the foolish. She should be removed from her position. She should be fined. She should be sued. ANd then she should b forgotten.

          • David Walker

            I’m also concerned about how this will affect the upcoming legislative battles for anti-discrimination laws. No matter what, Miss Kim and the fucking bakers and florists and photographers and the b&b loons will be trotted out, the “religious liberty” bullshit will be shouted deafeningly, and it may or may not make a difference. PA is republican house and senate and we have our share of religious assholes in both chambers who like to dance their little dance. The thing is, though, at this point all they can yell and scream about are fines. No one has been jailed that I know of. If Miss Kim gets hauled off to the county clink, then someone will have been “jailed for Jeebus.”

            Sorry for the “duh” moment, Wynter (and Cody, if you’re reading this), but this martyr/fine/jail thing is finally becoming clear to me in its ramifications. We won’t get a good ENDA nationally, so it will have to go state by state, as marriage equality did. Incarcerating her, as good as it may feel, won’t do us any favors. I am totally in favor of fining the fuck out of her, however.

          • Toasterlad

            This is exactly the kind of thinking that almost derailed marriage equality.

            “If we push too hard for our rights, the Democrats will lose elections”

            “If we push too hard for our rights, the states will revolt”

            “If we push too hard for our rights, we’ll lose all the catholics and moderately religious people”

            There is no room in this fight for the strategies of cowardice. We fought, we won. Now is not the time to cede ground. Now is the time to enforce the consequences of our victory.

            “You do you job. You serve gay people exactly the same way you’d serve any other person, or you quit, or you go to jail. Period.”

          • LovesIrony

            bravo!

          • David Walker

            I’m not trying to be an asshole (that comes easily), but while I see what you’re saying, I don’t see how putting Miss Kim in the slammer helps us. I want her fined silly. I want her out of office. I want it to be impossible for her to find a good job ever again. I want the good people of Rowan County to escort her to the county line, with tar and feathers if necessary, and tell her to stay the fuck away. In jail, she is the poster child for “religious liberty” and for every hick preacher and politician to say, “I told you this would happen.” Fined, she’s like all the others; jailed, she becomes a valuable commodity. Call me a coward if you like (since you already did), but I don’t see how putting her ass in jail helps us. Yes, it will feel like the sweetest of revenges and god knows I’d love to taste that revenge, but I’m with the plaintiffs on this one.

          • LovesIrony

            If you defied the Supreme Courts rulings you would be in jail. This is a nation of laws and she’s breaking the law. She is hurting these couples with her denial of their constitutional rights. Jail is appropriate and warranted. You appear to be intimidated by their rhetoric.

          • David Walker

            No. I’m being practical in looking ahead to later this fall when the anti-discrimination bill goes up for debate here in PA. I understand breaking the law and punishment. I understand the shit that she’s done to us. I also understand why the plaintiffs are asking that she not be jailed. In a very real way, it is denying the fucking xns an elevated martyr.

          • Christopher Smith

            no. She is ALREADY a ‘martyr’ to them! Lack of punishment will only encourage more and more of this behavior.

          • David Walker

            We are obviously going to disagree on this. I know what you’re saying. To me, however, at this point she’s pretty much like all the other martyrs who’ve been caught breaking the law and fined…accordingly or less. To send Miss Kim to jail, however, crosses the line and makes her Super Martyr. As I said, we just disagree.

          • Christopher Smith

            Nope. They were all forgotten shortly after their five minutes of fame. She has been in the news for months, in the headlines, and is already Super Martyr. Your view of this is exactly the *PROBLEM* in getting any anti-discrimination laws passed. Yet another example of rabid theocratic fascism vs. mealy-mouthed, ‘don’t make them any madder’ everyone else. In case you haven’t noticed, it hasn’t worked (did you not notice how disastrous was Obama’s bending over backwards for four years for the Party of No?) and it never will.

          • Christopher Smith

            No. You are begging the Rethugs for scraps from their table if you promise to be a good little victim.

          • Toasterlad

            It’s not a question of revenge. It’s a question of the law. When you disobey the law, you go to jail. Kim Davis is disobeying the law. She should go to jail. And that helps us, because it demonstrates that denying service to us is breaking the law, and results in the consequences of breaking the law.

            I would be fine with Kim Davis being fined, as that is also a consequence of disobeying the law, if I had any confidence that it would do any good whatsoever. Despite the numerous assurances I’ve received from my fellow posters that “they’ll garnish her wages” and “they’ll seize her accounts”, I’ll believe it when I see it. And even if they actually DO force Kim Davis to pay, even if she IS actually forced to use the money she’ll no-doubt solicit from her toothless fans to pay her court-mandated fines instead of for her next nuptial ceremony, how is that justice? She continues to deny our people their rights, and it doesn’t cost her a dime.

            I don’t give two shits if putting Kim Davis in jail is what she wants, or what Matt Staver wants, or what Jesus Cat-Tossing Christ wants. *I* want Kim Davis in jail because she’s a fucking criminal, and that’s where criminals belong.

          • LovesIrony

            and she has already issued a statement saying she will not comply. What the fuck more is needed?

          • David Walker

            I understand your point.

          • Christopher Smith

            Exactly.

          • Christopher Smith

            AMEN!

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Yes, I’m afraid that’s true, David. It might very well have to go state by state. ANd that just sucks sideways.

            I know that there are a number of people who disagree with me on this issue, but I’m seeing beyond the momentary satisfaction of seeing this bigoted bitch in shackles. Making martyrs ignites those on the fence and can even turn supporters.

          • Christopher Smith

            Nope. They are already screaming it from the housetops, and have been for some time. That ship sailed months ago. Countenancing the fat toad’s illegal behavior will just make the Rethugs and bigots pull this again, and again, and again….

          • Toasterlad

            “If she is thrown in jail, that would set back full civil rights for the
            LGBT community as well as embolden other extremists/terrorists.”

            Why do you imagine this is so?

            You seem to think that either the majority of the country is evangelical Christians, or that they’re leaning that way, and only waiting for a spark to set them off.

            The majority of the country supports equality for gay people, including marriage equality. That’s why we’re where we are today, Supreme Court or no. The majority of the country expects elected officials to do their job, without prejudice. The majority of the country should therefore be fine with Kim Davis going to jail for refusing to do her job without prejudice, or, if not fine, not angry enough to care.

            If things were as dire as you imagine them to be, there’d be THOUSANDS of Kim Davis’, all across the country, rather than a scant handful. The only danger in punishing Kim Davis for not complying with a court order is in punishing her too little, or too slowly. THAT is the only thing that could embolden others to follow her example.

            Despite the rhetoric of some, there are not thousands of county clerks ready to die – or even go to jail – to fight marriage equality. There are chicken shit clerks who will refuse to do their job if they see that nothing terrible will happen to them if they do. THAT is what must be avoided at all cost.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            The reason I believe this is that this is their endgame and it’s their endgame for very good reasons, TL. Yes, right now a majority of people in this country are supportive of the LGBT community. But, that can easily change. One martyr is all it takes for those that are wishy washy in their support to withdraw such support. One martyr can be paraded around and held up to incite fear in the foolish, the gullible, and the ignorant.

            One martyr can force people to say enough, what more do these people want? I think this bigot must be removed from her position. She must be fined. ANd she must be sued by those she has discriminated against. Putting her in jail serves her purpose, not ours.

            I know this isn’t a popular stand and I’ve taken a bit of heat for it. I’ve spent a great many years studying humans and their cultures. Their endgame is easy to see from my perspective.

            I know most of the country are not evangelicals, but I also know how easy it is to manipulate others. And that’s what this is about. It’s about changing the direction of the conversation to what they want and that’s something that can’t be allowed to happen. Not if the LGBT community is going to get the same rights this bigoted bitch has and wants to deny to others.

            I don’t expect my reasons to change your mind or anyone else’s. But it isn’t coming from nowhere.

          • Toasterlad

            Since the answer to the question “What more do these people want?” is “Our federally-mandated rights”, I’m not particularly scared of that question.

            This fear of the religious right is way overblown, and only contributes to their dwindling power. They lost. Stop being afraid of them, and start standing up to them. I promise, things will progress a lot more quickly that way.

            We read about shit-stains like Kim Davis every day here. It’s natural to assume there are armies of her out there, who could topple all we’ve gained in a single instant. It’s not true. There may be no shortage of bigots in this country, but the Kim Davis’, the ones who are willing to take a public stand for their bigotry, are a tiny, steadily-shrinking minority of a minority. They have little power over the opinions of the masses, and none at all to change the law. Stop reacting to her as if she was the Divine Wrath of a Vengeful God In Human Form, and start treating her like what she is: a speedbump in the road to equality. Grind her down, and move on.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Oh, I’m not afraid of those people. Not in the least. I stand up to them constantly and have done so for a very long time now.

            I hope I’m wrong and you’re right.

            We are agreed that nothing less than full civil rights and equal protection is the goal and nothing less will be accepted.

          • Christopher Smith

            Sorry. Arguments like yours are one of the reasons we still have no federal anti-gay-discrimination laws.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I respectfully disagree. It’s far more complex than that.

            I am talking about one bigot and one battle.

          • Christopher Smith

            I am talking about many bigots and many battles.
            It is not a bit more complex than that.
            Continued cowardly and gutless accommodation of theocratic fascism is not ‘standing up to those people.’

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Chris, I’m not saying not to stand up to these assholes. Davis must be removed from her position and fined and sued. As should anyone who takes her bigoted position and denies civil rights to any person.

            The only thing we are disagreeing upon is jailing her.

            And I don’t think we should ever accommodate bigots. As far as my personal stance, I’ve been an ally for over a decade and have stood up to individuals many times. It’s cost me, but it’s a price I’ve paid willingly.

          • Necessitas

            “They have a plan.” They remind of something… Chrilons?

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            LOL. They are far more evil!

          • Christopher Smith

            You don’t understand. She is already a ‘martyr’ and they are already rolling in tax-free ‘donations.’ Not to jail her only encourages Liberty Counsel (look it up) and their ilk to pull this garbage in every state in the country. There is nothing good that can possibly come out of NOT throwing this fat toad in jail.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I understand, Christopher. Only too well. She is a martyr of sorts. But how far do they want to elevate her? That’s the question we should be asking. I have no respect for Liberty Counsel or any of their clients. They are all a bunch of bat shit crazy bigots.

            I respectfully disagree and I also hope that I’m wrong. I’ll be thrilled to be wrong in fact.

          • Christopher Smith

            No. The question we should already have asked is ‘why have we not seen that the reactionary fascists WANT a national war to try to institute their fascist theocracy, and why are we not saying bring it on?’ Accommodation and making nice with these people leads to more outrages, more denials of service, more flouting of existing laws. Perp walk pictures are only a little more fuel on an already blazing inferno.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I agree these people are looking for a war. I don’t think we should be making nice with them. Not at all. I don’t think we should accommodate them. I think this bigot needs to be removed from her job by whatever means are in place. I think she should be fined and sued. The only thing I don’t think is that we should be looking to jail her. If the judge decides differently, that’s out of our control.

            Any business that refuses to service the LGBT community needs to be sued and their name publicized so that we don’t give them one dime of money. If state laws say you can’t discriminate, they should be fined for each and every infraction.

      • LovesIrony

        It’ s what I am hoping for too! don’t give it to them give it to me!

        • Wynter Marie Starr

          LOL. If you ask nicely, I’m sure any one would give it to you.

    • LovesIrony

      I am so frustrated by the whimps on “our” side. LOCK THE FUCKING BIGOTED PIECE OF SHIT UP TODAY

      • oikos

        Jail and massive fines. The argument that she will be a martyr is overblown. She already is to the RWNJs.

        • LovesIrony

          and she is defying the fucking Supreme Court of this country. This is not time for negotiations god damn it!

          • b

            We cannot allow our great nation to be overrun by these christians! We are a proud, secular nation! This isn’t a religious country, and Kentucky is a secular state also.

          • George M Melby

            My butt is still scarfed/strafed by the Cliven Bundy shithead and his unAmerican Mafia turds! When is he going to be held in contempt?

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        • Nic Peterson

          Take her money and ultimately her job, but for Fu&K’s sake, do not incarcerate this Y’all Qaeda bitch. Money is the only thing that matters to this harlot and putting her in jail is a sure fire way to get it flowing in her direction.

          This is a poorly managed county employee that has managed to turn into a Federal Case. Fire the rotten bitch, replace her quickly with someone committed to serving all of the people of Rowan County and the talking points write themselves.

          If this stupid stunt ends up in jail she’s got a book deal, minimum. This needs to end now.

          • Todd20036

            Um, no. Incarcerate her. Throw her in jail. Slam the door shut.
            Period.

          • JNWesner

            Emotionally, Todd, we all agree. But considering the outcome, she would benefit from jail. Show how magnanimous we are; leave her free but out of a job and fined into oblivion.

          • The Milkman

            I understand your point of view, and agree with many of your points. However, that ship has sailed. She’s getting a book deal no matter what happens, even if said book will be populated with single-syllable words at a 6th-grade reading level. I say check precedent to see how others have been punished for similar offenses in the past, and let precedent guide the decision.

          • Erp

            She’s an elected county clerk so she is the manager ” not the managed. Also as an elected official she cannot be fired only impeached (or she could resign); even if jailed, she would still be the county clerk. She also probably can’t imagine not being clerk since her mother was clerk before her and her son seems to be in line to replace her eventually. It is also a relatively plushy job with a salary of $80,000/year; the median income in her county is less than a third of that (and it is almost the same as the mean salary of a tenured professor at Morehead State University also in the county). Admittedly there are only about 24,000 people in the county.

            I also think she is a true believer and ‘martyrdom’ is one way of guaranteeing her place in heaven. However I’m unsure of her actual church. She says she is an “Apostolic Christian” which probably means Pentecostal.

        • Larry Ft Pierce

          YES! The ship has sailed on that.

      • ErikDC

        If your aim is to be vindictive, that is certainly the best way to achieve your goal. However, if your aim is to get the county to issue licenses, financial penalties against the county are the best option.

        Rowan County is not going to to want to see its finances destroyed because of this one woman’s religious crusade.

        • LovesIrony

          she has issued a statement that she will not comply. what more do you need. She is defying the Supreme Court jail is appropriate. These couples have waited too long already and fines will only delay this longer jail would be more motivating for her to relent. You let them kick sand in your eyes I wont

          • ErikDC

            Jail won’t motivate her to relent! Have you read her statement? NOTHING will.

            If you fine the entire county, with the bill increasing every day, the folks of Rowan County will eventually throw Kim Davis under the bus and remove her from office.

          • LovesIrony

            they can’t until election time. you’ve got that long for the couples to wait to exercise their constitutional right to marry?

          • ErikDC

            I am sure there is some provision in their governing documents that would allow for an expedited removal from office. If there isn’t and they want to avoid massive federal fines, they’ll have to make one quickly.

          • Christopher Smith

            Why on earth do you think she is even still there? Are you completely unaware of what Ronnie Raygun and Shrub did to pack courts with reactionary bigot judges? Good luck getting Federal fines and sanctions against an entire county.

          • LovesIrony

            if she is absent for too long by being in jail she can be terminated

          • Rickster Rickster

            there isn’t. she has to be impeached by the state legislature, convicted, and then maybe removed. being convicted in the impeachment doesn’t automatically mean removal.

        • clay

          They’re not going to fine the County. They’re going to stop paying her (and her son and the rest of her staff).

          • ErikDC

            Who is “they” in that sentence?

          • George M Melby

            The Court.

          • ErikDC

            A federal court can’t compel an act of omission like that, unless the federal government pays their salaries, which i’m pretty sure they don’t.

          • JIM W

            No, it’s not the court, it the county that pays her salary.

      • MonochromeMouse

        yes, our side is way too afraid of seeming ‘mean’ to actually stand up for our rights. anti-gay bigots need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law otherwise they will realize that there is no real push-back and their attacks against our community will escalate

      • that would be the next step in the plan if those organizing this stunt had their way. that is what they are attempting to force – if they have any sense of strategy. or everyone involved is living in a different reality than most folks in this country.

    • Queequeg

      At least remove her from that $80,000 per year job. She must have a pretty cushy life in that hick town she lives in, whatever it is.

    • Keep in mind, Rebecca, that the plaintiffs can REQUEST that she not be held for Contempt… It doesn’t mean the judge isn’t going to be pissed off enough to toss her christian butt in the klink, if he so chooses!

    • Rebecca Gardner

      WOW! I think this is my most commented on comment in the history of my time at JMG.

    • scott miller

      “Our side”? You’re referring to the plaintiffs who don’t want her to be incarcerated I assume. It’s likely that the plaintiffs aren’t as contemptuous as the defendant. Or you. There’s really nothing wrong with being nice.

  • Mark

    As much as I’d like to see her do the shuffle in shackles to jail, I do agree with this, that she be cited and fined.

    These a-holes want to make her in to a living martyr and going to jail will do just that and then cement their statements xtians are being sent to jail.

    • another_steve

      She’ll be a martyr for the cause however it goes. Prison or not. Society needs to send a very strong message here — since this is emerging as a “test case” re the separation of church and state in American society.

      All the other theofascists are watching closely. The anti right-to-choose monsters. The “End all Public Education” monsters. All of them.

    • LovesIrony

      She is defying the Supreme Court of this nation. and you are worried about her being a martyr?

      • David Walker

        It probably should have clicked long ago, but I’ve come around to fining her ass off and keeping her out of jail. Anti-discrimination laws will have to go the state-by-state route, as did marriage equality. DC will not bother with an effective ENDA and we know that. Thinking of PA, both houses are overwhelmingly republican, so we have definitely have a battle. Fined, Miss Kim merely joins the bakers and florists and pizza makers that have gone before her. Jailed, she becomes a cause celebre. Rightly or wrongly, she becomes the poster child for religious liberty.

        Selfishly, I’d love to see her fugly ass in jail. I think it’s better for us, however, if she is seriously, seriously fined.

      • Mark

        I am not worried. I stated a fact.

        • LovesIrony

          oh so this country shouldn’t enforce its laws because it might make someone a martyr in some bigots’ eyes?

          • Mark

            This is my last writing to you about this. Re-read my comment. that’s all.

  • medaka

    “Say They Don’t Want Her Incarcerated”

    Oh come on ACLU, it would be FUN!

  • rabbit_ears

    Fire! Incarcerate!

  • Plaintiffs have also asked Bunning to either clarify or modify the preliminary injunction to make it clear it applies to all eligible couples, not just the four named plaintiff couples. http://bit.ly/1Uk5WlY

    • billbear1961

      Yes, because otherwise they’ll say it only applies to the FOUR!

      We’ve already seen this trick of theirs!

      I’m surprised the judge didn’t anticipate it.

      Has he paid NO ATTENTION to their tactics in the past couple years?!

      • david fairfield

        I’m pretty sure that was included in Bunnings ruling….

        • The injunction says, “Defendant Kim Davis, in her official capacity as Rowan County Clerk, is hereby preliminarily enjoined from applying her “no marriage licenses” policy to future marriage license requests submitted by Plaintiffs.”

          The critical part of that statement is “submitted by Plaintiffs.” The only plaintiffs in this case are the four couples who brought the suit.

          Plaintiffs attorney are also asking that the case get certified as a class action that would include all eligible couples, but Bunning has put a hold on any further proceedings on that motion until after the 6th Circuit rules on Davis’s appeal.

      • LonelyLiberal

        Everybody makes mistakes and can write an ill-tuned sentence or paragraph.

        In this case, it’s technically moot. The Supreme Court has already ruled, but it’s probably wise to clarify.

        • NedFlaherty

          No court has decided any of the 4 KY marriage license cases now pending:

          1. ACLU filed a class action suit for all present and future same-gender couples who seek licenses.

          2. David Moore & David Ermold filed suit for being denied their license.

          3. Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis sued KY Governor Steve Beshear after he told all KY clerks to issue licenses.

          4. KY Attorney General is considering charging Ms. Davis for violating the KY “official misconduct” law.

          But 3 federal courts (district, appeal, supreme) did agree that licenses must continue to be issued while case #2 is in progress.

    • Brian in Valdosta

      It is a legal argument that truly comes out of the Bullshit Manual for Legal Personnel.

  • TampaDink

    Do others charged with contempt of court face jail time in KY?

    • Silver Badger

      Well…. Technically, yes, but if you’re white and christian you may get special treatment.

      • TampaDink

        I suspected as much. White xtian privilege needs to stop.

  • AtticusP

    They should start by confiscating Kim’s house…

    • Mark

      and free charlie brown!

    • jmax

      Ooooh, I see she completed that new addition. Nice.

      • oikos

        That’s the birthin room.

        • jmax

          And menstrual hut.

          • Chucktech

            For those… unclean times…

          • jmax

            This has taken a nasty turn. Do continue.

          • TampaDink

            Also where she hold rehearsal for her menstrual show.

          • jmax

            She in blackface, hubby number 4 in redface. Eeewww.

    • medaka

      Watch out for Husband Number 4!

    • Sam Rothstein

      I think Jason Vorhees lived there in Friday The 13th Part 2

      • jmax

        If only she would wear a hockey goalie’s mask too.

        • Good Shot Green

          Silly you, Jason didn’t get his mask until Part 3.

          • TampaDink

            But isn’t Kim on Part 4? Or is that just husband 4?

    • Herald

      That house must be in the good part of the county, it has a clean yard. I have seen far, far worse in the mountains.

  • billbear1961

    I think this is the way to handle it. Dock her salary if she refuses to pay.

    But, in the meantime, put someone in charge who will issue licenses!

    That state judge we saw in one story here on JMG said HE would comply with the law.

    For God’s SAKE, start issuing LICENSES!!

  • Gustav2

    “We only want to make her a martyr in the bank account, no pictures that can be used for propaganda, please.”

  • Bj Lincoln

    While I would LOVE to see her behind bars, this makes more sense and will hurt longer. What I do want is her out from behind the counter so people can get their business done. The entire staff is getting paid for nothing! Just get her out of the building!

    • billbear1961

      Or, until she complies or is removed for good, send people next door to that state judge–I forget his title, County Executive State Judge, something or other?–and order him–empower HIM–to issue those LICENSES!!

    • lymis

      Oh, I think that the rest of the staff isn’t doing nothing. They just aren’t issuing marriage licenses. I’m sure there’s still gun permits and hunting licenses to issue.

    • GlennF

      How can Davis be kicked out of the building unless she’s arrested and put in jail? This arrogant and smug lawbreaker says she will not obey the law. All defiant lawbreakers are arrested and put in jail. Why should Kim Davis be treated any differently?

  • Rocketeer500

    “Plaintiffs urge the the Court to impose financial penalties sufficiently serious and increasingly onerous to compel Davis’ immediate compliance without further delay.”

    Looks like the ACLU doesn’t want a christain martyr. I think that’s wise. Fine her into oblivion. That should make her think twice about the difference between Constitutional Law and Christian-Cult Law.

  • danolgb

    I disagree. Tho she may gain “martyr” status, fines won’t mean much to her when she has a bunch of idiots willing to donate to her to pay fines. Jail is the only way for her to be personally held liable for her contempt.

    • ScottJL

      They’ll only donate for so long, and if the fines keep going up she will have to pay up sooner or later. Besides, Kentucky has to recoup this lost revenue from marriage applications somehow.

      • danolgb

        I doubt the revenue generated from Rowan County marriage licenses is all that much in the scheme of things.

        • ScottJL

          No, the marriage license fee is negligible, they can make a nice sum of money (if they can get her to pay up) off of the fines though. If anything the state should be hoping she holds out, KY needs the money!

    • Christopher Smith

      Amen. Liberty Counsel. It’s all a money scam.

  • Chucktech

    If a judge agrees that Kim Davis is in contempt, it’s up to the judge to decide if she gets thrown in the klink or not. Nice sentiment, ACLU, but suggesting what action the judge should take is not your concern.

    • Six Pins Delores

      That seemed strange that ACLU would suggest action!

      • Gustav2

        They don’t want to appear to be the Gaystapo.

  • mikeinrkfd

    Contempt of Humans.

  • lymis

    Anyone know?

    Seems to me that now that it’s reached this point, regardless of what happens with Davis, the state has an obligation to provide marriage license services in that office, or at least in that county, and if they don’t, they’ll be liable to their own lawsuits.

    Or do they get to just wring their hands for years while the case winds its way through court?

    • Correct. Since elected civilians in the USA usually don’t create and impose their own laws on the citizens, there wasn’t a plan in place to address this. I imagine county officials are now investigating their options.

      • Bj Lincoln

        They are sure taking their time!

    • billbear1961

      Exactly–this is my primary concern, that someone begin issuing licenses TODAY!

      This fascist has made it clear–defying THREE courts, including SCOTUS–that she has no intention of obeying the law.

      The fascists are getting the beginning of the rebellion that failed to materialize right after 26 June.

      It must be stopped–NOW–before it starts to spread.

      If this woman is not dealt with, others may begin to follow her example.

      The right wants a martyr, OR a REBELLION!

  • KimvdLinde

    Good call. Jail can always be the second layer of penalties.

  • DisT

    She doesn’t care. She’s not going to pay and nobody dares to touch her. She‘s above the law.

    • LonelyLiberal

      Not paying a court-imposed fine will result in garnishing of wages and liens against any property, bank accounts, and so forth. It rapidly becomes impossible to function if the fine is hefty.

      Further refusal will result in jail time.

  • Guess

    KENTUCKY. Where proudly declaring yourself incompetent isn’t sufficient grounds to lose your job… but declaring yourself LGBTQ can be.

    • Bj Lincoln

      EXACTLY!

  • Jeffg166

    A thousand dollars a day for the first week then ten thousand a day the next week then fifty thousand a day the week after etc., etc.

    • Bad Tom

      I love exponential functions.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        And I like the gamma function, aka the factorial.
        The fine needs to grow robustly and relentlessly until she complies.

  • THIS is why I hate the ACLU with every fiber of my being, and why we have a tendency to get run over.

    Buncha goddamn pussies.

  • Richard, another Canuck

    Their side wants us all incarcerated with the death penalty, our side is suggesting a fine. Who’s side is more conciliatory?

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    “Plaintiffs urge the the Court to impose financial penalties sufficiently
    serious and increasingly onerous to compel Davis’ immediate compliance
    without further delay.”

    Penalty to who ? To her, her office, the county ?????

    What is the penalty If a white clerk denied a Drivers license to a black citizen ??

    It should be the same here. Incarcerated or not, she needs to be removed from her position. Today.

    • OniRaptor

      To remove an elected official would require impeachment, which I agree, should be happening.

      • Bruno

        The Kentucky legislature is out of session right now, so impeachment would have to wait a few months. Unless a special session is called. And I doubt the majority of legislators in a conservative state like Kentucky would go there.

        • John30013

          I believe it would be the Governor who calls the special session, not the Legislature. Now, whether the legislators can refuse to appear, I do not know. Or, they may appear but refuse to take any action.

          • Bruno

            What I meant by “go there” was to vote to impeach Davis. I’m aware that Beshear calls special sessions, and I highly doubt he will for any reason this year.

          • Menergy

            well, how about she sits in jail until next year and the special session is called (or the regular session reconvenes)? :)

            Neutralize her, fine her in the meantime, suspend salary since she’ll be in jail not doing her job still…..

            The list goes on of steps that can be taken NOW.

          • Bruno

            The fining and jailing are up to Judge Bunning. I don’t think he takes too kindly to what she’s doing, but judges have a tendency to try and start with a small penalty if they feel it might look bad to do otherwise. We’ll see on Thursday. The suspending salary…I assume that’s up to the legislature too.

    • billbear1961

      She must be punished for violating citizens’ civil rights. That may take some time. Apparently, it WILL take time.

      But what I want to see now–TODAY–is someone ordered and empowered by the courts or by the state government to begin issuing licenses in that county to all couples who meet the legal requirements for one! Now!! TODAY!!

      It can be a federal marshal or that state judge we saw in a JMG story on this matter a while back, but SOMEONE.

      That will render her protests POINTLESS!

      Once licenses are being issued, authorities can THEN take all the time they think they need to find exactly the appropriate punishment for this petty little tyrant’s violation of the LAW and citizens’ CIVIL RIGHTS!

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Absolutely agree. She is taking the spotlight now, the focus should be on the couples RIGHTS, and RIGHT now.

        • billbear1961

          Step right around or over her.

          Order and empower someone to issue licenses who will obey the law and do so.

          Then, while that is working smoothly, while people’s rights are finally being respected, DEAL with this BITCH with the full force of the LAW!!

          Fine the CHRIST out of her!!

          She needs to pay plaintiffs’ legal costs and substantial damages to them!

          And, I believe, she should be removed from office for willful and repeated NEGLECT OF DUTY.

          The Governor has the power to do that:

          http://law.justia.com/codes/kentucky/2013/chapter-63/section-63.110

          ” . . . if the Governor finds from the testimony that the officer is guilty of neglect of duty, he shall enter an order removing the officer from office.”

        • vorpal

          It’s always the lawbreakers that get the attention, though: hence the likely appeal in doing so.
          Same with murder cases: the victim gets much less attention than the murderer.
          In a year, nobody will likely remember the names of the two men that most aggressively pressed this issue with Kunt Davis. Everyone will remember Kim’s name, though.

      • Toasterlad

        Here’s the problem with that: if someone else is appointed to issue licenses while Kim Davis still has her job, then the argument that government officials must do their job without discrimination is invalidated.

        The federal government can’t appoint someone else to do, and the state can’t appoint someone else to do it. Not without removing Kim Davis from office. As long as she is the county clerk, her responsibilities include serving all citizens without prejudice. If they let someone else do the job while she refuses, even with vague plans to “punish her later”, we have lost.

        The only acceptable outcome is either for Kim Davis to start issuing licenses, or for Kim Davis to be removed from her job. Period.

        • billbear1961

          I understand what you’re saying, and just finished posting this to lymis, where I seem to be contradicting myself, where I’m beginning to understand something must be done quickly to deal with her.

          To lymis:

          Exactly–this is my primary concern, that someone begin issuing licenses TODAY!

          This fascist has made it clear–defying THREE courts, including SCOTUS–that she has no intention of obeying the law.

          The fascists are getting the beginning of the rebellion that failed to materialize right after 26 June.

          It must be stopped–NOW–before it starts to spread.

          If this woman is not dealt with, others may begin to follow her example.

          The right wants a martyr, OR a REBELLION!

        • billbear1961

          Follow-up . . .

          But I tell you, TL, I’m afraid the authorities are going to drag their feet.

          I said before Obergefell that first we needed a pro-M.E. ruling.

          Then, it must be enforced.

          Finally, we need to win the 2016 elections, or at least hold on to the White House.

          Things were going so well, but the right have found in this woman what they wanted.

          And, if she isn’t dealt with, this could be the beginning of the rebellion they so desperately wanted right after 26 June!

          • Toasterlad

            Again, this hysteria about the religious lunatics “having their martyr” is unfounded. The religious lunatics have been handed martyrs right and left since before Obergefell, and the only difference it has made is that the martyrs get rich off donations from moronic hillbillies.

            People are talking like imprisoning Kim Davis will result in the country rising as one, grabbing their guns, and shooting every homosexual in sight. Nonsense.

            Throwing Kim Davis in jail will have only one lasting effect: Kim Davis will have a slightly longer police record.

  • Mark

    And where is the AG in all of this?? They have a rebellious and court order defiant employee on their hands – and not a peep?

    • ScottJL

      He’s state and this has been all federal proceedings. Not to say he shouldn’t have been pursuing his own case against her. Another county did file last week (her county can’t file against her, another has to do it on their behalf). So he has it in front of him, he just hasn’t done anything with it yet.

    • ChrisMorley

      There’s a legal process that must be followed. The local paper, Courier-Journal, explains

      “In a separate development, the Kentucky attorney general is mulling whether to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate whether she violated the state official misconduct statute when her office refused to issue a license to a Rowan County gay couple.
      Official misconduct is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 365 days in jail.
      A public servant is guilty of it when, “with intent to deprive another person of a benefit,” he or she refrains “from performing a duty imposedupon by law or clearly inherent in the nature” of his office or “violates any statute or lawfully adopted rule or regulation” relating to it.
      James Yates and Will Smith have been denied a marriage license three times, according to their lawyer, William Kash Stilz Jr., including the day after the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals last week denied Davis’ request for a stay.
      Yates and Smith on Friday asked Rowan County Attorney Cecil Watkins to prosecute Davis, a request he referred to Attorney General Jack Conway’s office because Watkins is defending two suits filed against the county.
      Allison Martin, a spokeswoman for Conway, said the office can appoint either a county or commonwealth’s attorney from another jurisdiction as special prosecutor or an assistant attorney general.
      Special prosecutors are appointed if the allegations constitute a crime and the prosecutor in the requesting county has a legitimate conflict of interest.”

      http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2015/08/31/clerk-could-face-criminal-prosecution/71463078/

      You can ask the Attorney General to pull his finger out here: http://ag.ky.gov/pages/contact.aspx

      • Reality.Bites

        So many people here seem to have as much respect for the legal process as the folks at Breitbart.

      • John30013

        I suspect he’s been waiting to see how the Federal cases would go and what her response would be, before taking his own action.

        But he’s also running for Governor in 2016, and I’m sure he’s concerned about how prosecuting her might look to the (right wing) voters in the state.

    • Stev84

      He probably fully supports her. Remember that he is directly elected as well

  • Does anybody know if either of the men were arrested for attempting to exercise their constitutional rights?

    • billbear1961

      I think everyone was asked to leave, and everyone complied, JB.

  • How long is it going to take this apparently impotent judge to find his judicial Viagra and get down to business???

    • Reality.Bites

      Um, he just got the motion NOW. He had no way of taking action before the motion was filed.

      • Somehow I doubt that when a judge tells you to do something under the authority of his court he has to wait for some second party to petition that his orders be enforced.

        • Reality.Bites

          He has to be officially informed that they’re being violated and schedule a hearing.

          The United States is not under martial law.

        • JustSayin’

          You are actually wrong. There are statutory and tradition reasons for a federal judge to stay an order pending appeal. Judges that move to fast end up getting smacked down by the appellate level court.

          As annoying as that is, it is a reality of the legal system that will not change.

    • Stev84

      This is moving extremely fast

    • Christopher Smith

      Sadly, it’s not just the bureaucracy-from-hell the replies mention here, it’s also that Ronnie Raygun and DUHYA packed courts with reactionary bigot judges and it is entirely possible that lots of them are in Kentucky.

  • MacCrocodile

    Any financial penalty will just be offset (and more) by a crowdfunding effort. She’s going to get rich off of this, no matter how much anyone fines her. The only way this ends is with her being removed from office. Whether she winds up in jail, I guess I don’t care, but she can’t do her job as required by law.

    • Trevor Brown

      Not if the fine rises exponentially. Eventually the sheeple that support this fraud will get tired of running out of money.

    • Mark

      Actually – she’s burning both ends of the same candle.

      The courts can impose fines or jail. At the same time, the KY legislature can move to impeach her from office.

      So she’s fixing to get it from both ends!

      • MacCrocodile

        Have we seen any such motion from the KY legislature? It would not surprise me if a significant portion of them would make a grand show of supporting their sister in Christ.

        • Trevor Brown

          Hold them in contempt as well.

        • Bruno

          They’re out of session until next year.

          • MacCrocodile

            In the mean time, she stays in office, refusing to do her job, becomes a featured speaker at conservative events, maybe a spot on Fox once or twice, all the while making more money than I make actually doing what I’m paid to do.

    • LonelyLiberal

      She’s now in contempt, so the big crowdfunding agencies won’t touch her. The smaller ones take much larger cuts, don’t have the base of people, and reach exhaustion much faster on any given effort.

      • StraightGrandmother

        They will run it through Franklin Graham’s outfit, Samaritans Purse.
        here they are collecting for the Colorado Baker.
        Not even 1,000 shares on Social Media
        https://www.continuetogive.com/supportjackphillips

        However for Kim Davis they will pull in Millions if it comes to that.

        • LonelyLiberal

          I doubt they’ll get millions, Americans are pretty much over this issue. The donation decay on the bakers was pretty indicative of that.

      • Christopher Smith

        No, I disagree. Liberty Counsel is pure moneygrubbing. They are expecting a big payola on this somehow.

  • John P.

    Just completely cut her salary to $0!

    • LonelyLiberal

      I was thinking of a daily fine of $1,000. Fundraising can’t keep up with that, the State legislature won’t stand for it for any length of time, and she can’t afford it.

      • StraightGrandmother

        Helll a thousand a day is nothing. The Indian Pizza Joint pulled in $800,000 that is close to three years worth of a thousand dollars a day.

        • johncAtl

          Did you go ahead and start on the Bloody Marys? Your math is a little off. :-)

          • No, she’s close. If you work 4 days a week at $1,000 a day, that would work out.

            Then again, maybe I see it that way b/c I’m only working 4 days ^_^

          • johncAtl

            Yeah, but I want her fined seven days a week until she complies.

        • LonelyLiberal

          Money out of her pocket? It’ll hurt. A lot.

          • Christopher Smith

            The problem is it will not BE out of her pocket. The shysters at Liberty Counsel are doing this for a big payday; they undoubtedly have some sleazy loophole to wiggle through so they can keep all the money….

  • rabbit_ears

    I don’t get why she just isn’t outright fired. If you work for the private sector and your job description changes and you don’t like it, too bad. Do your job or you get fired. But government gets special treatment with kid gloves?

    • Reality.Bites

      She’s an elected official. She can’t be fired, only removed from office by a vote of the legislature.

      • rabbit_ears

        Ah ok, that makes sense, thanks! I’ll never understand US politics..

        • Reality.Bites

          Yes – in pretty much any other country a position like this would be a civil servant and subject to government employment policies. I don’t see anything that is gained by electing positions like this and obviously much that is lost.

          The only people who need to be elected are those who MAKE policy, not those who implement it.

    • JustSayin’

      Only the state legislature can remove her from office and they are out of session right now and very unlikely to do so even if they were in session.

  • LonelyLiberal

    Aaaand here we go. This will, very shortly, get extremely interesting.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    Going to jail is just what this bigot wants. Financial penalties make much more sense. The office where she works should be taken over by those willing to do the job and she should be barred from entering or prevented from touching any paperwork. Denying others their civil rights should be met head-on.

  • Toasterlad

    I get why the ACLU is treating this with kid gloves; they’re attempting to avoid the spectacle of Kim Davis being led away in handcuffs, with every nutjob bible-thumper blogger showing it non-stop with “THIS COULD BE YOU!!!” underneath it. But does anyone believe that Davis has any intention of paying a single penny? And I’m not talking about letting Christian morons donate the fine for her, I’m talking about no money, from anyone, going to pay these fines. She’ll keep every penny of the money raised in her name, and save it for wedding number five, and just continue to ignore the court, as she’s done from the beginning.

    Sooner or later, for this to end, Kim Davis will have to be forcibly removed from her job, and someone else put in her place as county clerk. The sooner that happens, the better. These couples have waited long enough for justice.

    • scottrose

      nmg

  • StraightGrandmother

    The ACLU was wrong to tell the Judge they don’t want her thrown in Jail. They should have not given an indication one way or the other. Let the Judge figure out what he wants to do.
    Fines are not the answer, the great Christian Right Wing will collect all the money and then some to pay the fines. Hell a Pizza Joint in Indiana hauled in $800,000 and they were not even actively discriminating just answered a hypothetical question.

    I think this was a bad move by the Kentucky ACLU. They should have not recommended any specific remedy, as in the meantime our Plaintiffs suffer and can’t get the Marriage License.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Totally agree. I think the judge will simply ignore that recommendation, as it is not their place to assign punishment.
      That is entirely under Judge Bunning’s prerogative.

      • StraightGrandmother

        Nope, the Judge issued his Contempt of Court Order and said he is going to fine her.

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          Oh, he did? Thanks!
          Things are really starting to move fast.

        • Robert Martin

          Not that I don’t believe you SG but can you provide a link? I am searching myself for it as well but am not seeing anything yet about Judge Bunning actually issuing the contempt order.

          • StraightGrandmother

            Actually what I read was what the ACLU submitted to the Judge as his order.
            I notice now that it is not signed by the Judge. I thought I was seeing two things, the complaint by the ACLU asking for Contempt Charges and the Judges Order. The “Judges Order” was written and proposed by the ACLU but I see now the Judge didn’t sign it. I guess there is a hearing on the contempt charges on either Wednesday or Thursday. Thank you for asking for the clarification so that I was able to clarify. Both docs are at Buzzfeed.

    • Reality.Bites

      Don’t throw her in jail, but have her removed from the office by US marshals and denied re-entry, along with any/all staff unwilling to issue licenses.

    • JustSayin’

      As much as having her in jail would be great the only positive value in that is it puts the county executive in the position to issue licenses since she would definitely be absent from her job. That side steps the problem instead of fixing it.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Perhaps a brief stay in the slammer will enable here to find that elusive husband #5.

    • Fritz Keppler

      Or wife #1.

  • david fairfield

    She’s acting on gods authority. I would love, as a novelty, to see her paycheck…has anyone actually seen gods signature?

  • j.martindale

    The one thing the court needs to recognize is any financial gain that Davis may collect from fellow bigots, and be certain that she doesn’t profit from those. I am sick to death of the situations like the bakers who made a fortune being martyrs for the cause, and the courts turning a blind eye, permitting them to become enriched for their wrongdoing. They need to collect every penny that she gets from money begs.

    • Chucktech

      Absolutely. She should be required to show source of funds for any remittances and have those confiscated.

      • j.martindale

        And they CAN do that. They don’t let prisoners write memoirs and get royalties from them. They need to secure all ill-gotten funds so she can’t profit from lawbreaking.

  • So she gets TWO MORE DAYS to be AN ASSHOLE??!?!?!

    • Gustav2

      But if she refuses in Fed Court she could be arrested and escorted out the back door out of sight. No pics for the propaganda.

    • court dockets can be hard to instantly get on. they have schedules too, and other trials to keep. i think you’ve got to have a case involving imminent harm to get bumped up right away.

      • Chucktech

        One could argue harm is being done, but yeah, whatever.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          And has been gittin’ done since the end of June.

      • another_steve

        Absolutely.

        Actually, I think this is moving along quite nicely.

    • Mark

      two more days to up her martyr status with the christo-facists.

    • scorpiomike

      I think she gets to be an asshole for eternity (according to that dumb book she claims to be so fond of)

    • Blackfork

      It likely she’s always been an asshole, but she gets more time to shove that asshole in the face of the Kentucky and US government.

  • Gustav2

    She and her staff must appear at the contempt hearing.

  • Jan Wesselius

    If she does get a hefty fine and gets contributions to pay for it from the other psycho Christians, is that money considered income to her and will she have to pay taxes on it? The judge should make it so others cannot pay her fine so the money would have to go through her.

    • Blackfork

      The judge has no power to do that.

  • Full Metal Pizza

    Impeach her.

    • Gustav2

      The legislature is not in season until next year.

      • Hey, if asshole Perry can call a special session in TX for abortion bills, Beshear could do the same.

        • Reality.Bites

          I don’t know if he can or can’t under Kentucky law, but he certainly wouldn’t do it unless he’s sure of the outcome

  • LovesIrony

    2 months and 8 days after Obergefel is not fast

  • Jan Wesselius

    She wants to be arrested. She wants the spectacle of being in handcuffs. A silent quiet martyr is no good.

    • Neither is a live one. Martyrs usually die for their beliefs.

      • Chucktech

        This is Martyrdom 2.0 — the Christian Edition.

    • TallBearNC

      This case, I say arrest her because by her sitting in jail she will not be that big of a martyr for her cause. In fact if she goes to jail it will further solidify a legal precedent as to what will happen if County Clerk’s trying to pull this crap with religious beliefs and all that stuff… They will all have a fear of going to jail and will quickly start falling in line and start issuing licenses

  • TallBearNC

    I have no idea why they are just seeking to fine.her because she will just ignore a fine… They need to file a motion and have the bitch thrown in jail so someone else can start issuing licenses

    • Gustav2

      Since the entire staff is required to be at the hearing, maybe the judge is sending in Fed Marshals to run the place if they refuse. But that would be a drastic action pissing off a whole lot of gun folks.

      Or he could require the staff to work and have the state rotate other Clerks in to sign licenses.

      • thevofl

        It probably won’t happen or even could happen, but how about fining everyone in her staff too? Now her religious beliefs are impacting her own staff.

      • BlueberriesForMe

        That would be awesome, though. I sure don’t want anyone to get shot. I just want the Marshals to show up.

      • TallBearNC

        The order was not just against Kim Davis, it was against the office of the clerk as well… So it not only applies to her but to her office and all of the employees… So technically any employee that’s refusing is in contempt of court also. Tactically those employees should ignore Kim Davis an issue licenses, and if Kim Davis fires them then they have a lawsuit against Kim Davis. Whatever, you can not have state trooper show up and force people to follow court order at gun point… That is not allowed in our legal system… Usually people who were in contempt of court go to jail until they decide to give into the courts order… And in this case it would be issue licenses or quit your job – and if they decided to be a martyr for their cause they could technically sit in jail for 10 years because they were in contempt of court… Black people engaged in civil disobedience in order to get their rights and some famous black people sat in jail do you do contempt of court for their belief system and what they stood up for… Now I’m really not trying to compare this lady to the plight of black people… But what I am comparing it to is simple contempt of court is contempt of court. And if she gets charged with contempt of court, then she can actually be removed from office because of some reason that I forgot because normally the legislative branch must remove her… Official misconduct that’s it… One she goes to jail she’s definitely guilty of official misconduct and the governor himself can remove her

        In an odd twist Kentucky does not have a voter recall system… So the citizens of Kentucky cannot draw a petition and vote her back out of office

  • Gerry Fisher

    I like this move. Avoid being painted as people who want her fired or jailed, and hit her in the pocketbook. She probably worships money more than jeebus.

  • michael

    Sept fucking the third? Why not today? Fuck this shit…

    • TallBearNC

      Mostly because courts have a schedule in their docket is probably completely full until September 3

    • TallBearNC

      the ACLU could have filed for an emergency hearing. They should not have just requested she get fine because all that would happen is they would put a lien on her house and she would still refused to issue licenses… She needs to sit in a jail cell while somebody else sits in her office issues licenses… And she will continue to sit in jail until she either gives up her job or decides to issue licenses. That’s why this bitch needs to go to jail because fine will do absolutely nothing. I don’t even live there and I’m already out rages how this whole thing has been handled and tiptoed around… Had I actually lived in that county out of make sure that this bitch is been behind bars weeks ago. I would’ve hired some very high-powered attorneys and done everything I could to nail her to the wall – not tip around things. The ACLU should request that this lady is thrown in jail. Look what happened in that video… The gay couples were so angry that they were shaking… If this keeps up one day a straight or gay couple is going to jump over the counter and physically attack or because they have literally snapped psychologically snapped because they cannot get married and because of the stress of all this – granted a couple can just simply drive to another county… But this is a matter of a rogue elected official acting out, and it needs to be stop otherwise we will have governors and other clerks acting out thinking that they can do whatever they want because of religious beliefs tell them they can

      • michael

        I agree. They should throw her ass in jail, even if it makes her a martyr, this farce will only continue until they shut her down and jail is the only way to do it.

  • The courts can find her, but can they garnish her wages? You hear of civil cases all the time where the plaintiff wins but never collects. Of course, if she has real estate, they can also put a lien on her $25,000 estate.

  • Jan Wesselius

    Any fine, arrests should have a gag order on it. Why give her being a martyr any credence.

    • david fairfield

      Brilliant!

  • Blackfork

    She won’t be arrested. The KY government does not want to be seen arresting a far right christianist, no matter how loony she is. The political blowback would be too much for their spines.

    • Bruno

      It’s not up to the Kentucky government, it’s up to the federal judge.

    • TallBearNC

      She will be arrested if she doesn’t do her job and they Kentucky government has nothing to do with it and has no influence over this matter… This is up to the court system and the court has already ruled… Technically she is already in contempt of court and technically the ACLU does it need to file a contempt of court hearing because the judge gave her an order and if she’s ignoring that order I judge can simply rule that she’s in contempt of court without hearing… Clearly the judge is not doing that… But if they were to file a motion even just seeking fined – it is still up to the judge decide her punishment and most likely the judge will jail her. Because by refusing to follow the judges orders it is basically like she is flipping the judge off and giving him or her the middle finger – and most judges really do not tolerate contempt of court no matter what the issue is big or small

  • John T

    Instead of jail time, I’d rather see her exiled to Siberia where we would never hear from her again.

    • pickypecker

      Points for creative problem-solving!

    • TallBearNC

      I say exile her to the island of lezbos which actually exists on this planet

      Then she would actually be a lesbian because she is from the island lezbos

      • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

        Lesbos is currently in the middle of a huge immigration crisis. Seriously. For some reason it’s one of the preferred drop-off points for human traffickers in boats coming from Africa and the Middle East trying to get into the EU.

        • TallBearNC

          Oh well then all the better… Maybe she’ll get lost in all the traffic and we won’t have to ever see her again… Or then again maybe will see her on the website getting all naked… Scratch what I just said I think I made myself vomit

          • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

            Ha ha! A new contestant on “Naked and Afraid”, only in this case she’s get naked and the audience would be afraid.

    • jomicur

      Siberia? Why not send her to Syria and give her to ISIS?

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      But think of the muskox. I love them.

      • oikos

        They are adorable and totally undeserving of having to look at something as hideous as Kim Davis.

  • JustSayin’

    The one new interesting thing that the ACLU filing shows is that a female who is under 18 must apply for a marriage license only in the county she lives in.

    That is an interesting twist in Kentucky law. Theoretically a 17 year old boy could apply in any county to marry another boy or man.

    As to the rest if the filing I am in agreement with many others in that I would love to see her and the entire crew in jail as well as fined. However common sense has to admit that gives the haters more fodder to market with and beg money on.

    • Six Pins Delores

      Hmmm! Interestingly sexist.

      • Chucktech

        I’m sure that little quirk never occurred to them!

        • Reality.Bites

          I’m sure it wasn’t contemplated at the time. Just like I’m sure there are a few states where the laws against marrying close relatives are phrased in a way that would allow two brothers or an aunt and niece to marry. That was the case in Canada for a couple of years, although as far as I know no one tried to do it.

  • Jan Wesselius

    I hear that Pat Robertson of the 700 club wants to kiss her feet on his show. So she can’t be arrested.

  • Ellipse Kirk

    Since she is receiving compensation for a job which she refuses to perform in accordance with the direction of the court and the law of the land, the Court should declare her post vacant and appoint a successor who agrees to do the job.

    • Chucktech

      … THEN put her in jail.

      • Arkansan

        Off with her head!

    • Hopefully the successor wont be a relative.

      • Arkansan

        If they have to be a resident of the county, they most likely will be related in some way.

  • DH Esq

    Just wait until Davis tells the Court she only recognizes the authority of god and does not recognize the authority of the Court. That will be a quick ticket to jail for contempt.

    • Reality.Bites

      Surely there must be a few US marshals out there named Jesus. Close enough.

  • Fining her for collecting a salary for a job she refuses to perform is a very strong argument, because she’s refusing to do ALL of her duties. Marriage licenses are a very small part of the County Clerk’s duties. Not only has she refused to issue any marriage licenses to anyone, but she has also multiple times closed the office, preventing her staff from doing ANY of their other duties. She’s abandoned her entire job. The court should hold her in contempt and impose daily fines garnished from her state paycheck so she can’t simply refuse to pay it. The contempt charges will allow the Legislature to initiate impeachment proceedings (though I doubt they’ll do it).

  • Jack M.

    Not sure how I feel about the motion. The request for fines as opposed to prison was expected, as I commented last night. Ultimately it is up to the court to choose the penalty, and it can choose a penalty which is not requested by a party. What I don’t like is that the motion applies only to Davis herself even though she is acting in her official capacity as County clerk and pursuant to Rowan County policy, established by her. It is unclear to me why the ACLU didn’t also seek contempt against Rowan County, which is a party to the case. Imposing fines on the county would provide an incentive to the state legislature to remove her from office. Also unclear to me is why the ACLU didn’t seek attachment of Davis’s assets. She is certainly going to start transferring assets to third parties. ACLU needs to be aggressive or they and the Court will wind up playing a cat-and-mouse game with Davis.

    • j.martindale

      Perhaps they didn’t go after Rowan County because the County itself has moved to try to remove her from office for misconduct. Actually, I think they are on our side, and they are trying to avoid suit. Unfortunately, they don’t have leverage because she is an elected official.

    • I know with inheritance there’s a three to five year rule about transferring assets to avoid inheritance taxes. If you transfer title a year before you die, they still consider it part of the estate. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same thing happens with court fines and associated liens. Also, it may be that they can’t seek to attach her assets before the court finds her in contempt and determines fines. (There may be a proper order to these things, I don’t know.) I hope the courts garnish her wages so it comes straight out of her government paycheck and she simply can’t refuse to pay. They’ll try to do a crowd-sourcing fundraiser for her (she’s hoping to become a millionaire from this, no doubt), but most will shut it down because it’s a legal fine.

      • Jack M.

        There is a procedure for a pre-judgment attachment. But even leaving aside that procedure, the request could have simply been included as part of the contempt motion. That is, ACLU could have requested that attachment of assets occur upon a finding of contempt. Of course, the court can do this on its own, but I think it would have been a good signal from the ACLU to the court that it will pursue the matter aggressively and assist the court with enforcement.

        There will be garnishment of wages, but that won’t be enough to bring her to heel in a timely fashion. It would be preferable for this not to drag on for a long time. You want fines which are so steep that they not only swallow her salary, but her home and life savings as well. That’s an incentive to end the defiance. As for crowdfunding, it is unlikely to have save her. The court can take notice of this revenue source and increase the fines accordingly. The court has a lot of leeway here, limited only by the 8th and 14th Amendments. Further, unlike the Memories Pizzeria fundraiser, where the money all went to the Christian business and unlike the Sweet Cakes by Melissa fundraiser (where the money went to cover a judgment of a fixed sum), fundraising here, I think, is less likely to succeed. Maybe there will be a haul in the first week or so, but after that, there’s not going to be a huge incentive for people to donate, knowing that their money will go directly to the federal government and that their donations are only bailing water.

        • Christopher Smith

          That is IF, and ONLY if, Liberty Counsel and the other fascist shysters do not find a legal loophole to let her (and themselves) keep all the money.

  • bryan

    There’s a clear video on CNN of Davis refusing the license. What’s disgusting is how she smirks when the couple talk of being together for 17 years…. Although her expression quickly changes when they ask her what is the longest time she has stayed with someone…. She is insane.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/31/politics/kentucky-gay-marriage-licenses-supreme-court/index.html

    • Gigi

      It’s religious indoctrination. It makes you crazy.

    • ScottJL

      10 to her first husband from what I read on another site. They got her beat.

  • teeveedub

    There goes that damn ACLU again – being reasonable, measured, level-headed, and compassionate.

  • Bj Lincoln

    So she still can show up for work?! Get her the FUCK out of the building! 2 months of this she while she is still getting paid to make her, the county and the state look like fools!

  • Circ09

    Why is the judge letting this bitch drag this out until at least Thursday?

  • vstill

    Here (http://courts.ky.gov/courts/supreme/Rules_Procedures/201414.pdf) is what the Kentucky Supremes have to say about her refusal to do her job as clerk. Look on the right sidebar and click the PDF document entitled, “Supreme Court Order” located under the heading, INSIDE THE CCCCC. I would have embeded the PDF, but that is beyond my expertise.

    • Herald

      I keep getting a page not found error message, is that the right link?

      • vstill

        Damn the internets! Don’t know why the link doesn’t work, but if you go here (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/09/kentucky-clerk-gay-marriage-license-supreme-court), look way down in the comments section for the poster,
        Jeffraham Prestonian, his link seems to work fine. I’ll try to find that document at Kentucky’s Supremes website and will edit my original post. Thanks for noticing the error.

        • Reality.Bites

          The article has nothing to do with Kentucky’s Supreme Court. It’s about her defying the Supreme Court of the United States.

          • vstill

            It has everything to do with the Kentucky Supreme Court, as they describe what is the recourse action that is to be applied to a county clerk who refuses to do her job. That is, if you were able to find the document and read it. I have the PDF document here on my hard drive and would be happy to send it to you for your review, if you’re interested. Send me an email to vstill at gmail.com.

          • Reality.Bites

            My apologies – I didn’t read your post in full and the instructions to look in the comments for the link. The article itself only refers to the US Supreme Court so I didn’t know what you were talking about – entirely my carelessness though, not your fault.

      • vstill

        I found the original document and have updated/edited my original posting. It is worth a read.

        • vstill

          Never mind! That link doesn’t work either. Best to go to the link (below) at MotherJones to get to the document in question. Sorry for the confusion.

  • thevofl

    Starting with her, fine her $2,500 each day starting when she first refused to issue licenses. Each successive day from this point, the amount increases 10%. Then the judge looks at each member of her staff and fines them each $1,000 a day. Make them pay for participating with her religious beliefs.

  • SilasMarner

    Start the process of removing her from her job and any of her subordinates that support her.

  • France settled this issue with a steep €75,000 fine! The bigots decided to do their jobs and stop complaining.

    • another_steve

      Theofascism here in the States is more ingrained than it is in Europe. Our religious bigots are more numerous and more powerful than those in Europe.

      In England, for example, parishioners pat their vicars on the back, smile, and say “Very nice sermon. Thank you.”

      Here in the States, the “vicars” are elected to public office.

    • Stev84

      It helps that in civilized countries clerks are just ordinary government employees and can easily be fired and replaced. In the US, these clowns are directly elected, which gives them an overly inflated sense of their own importance (they are really just senior administrators) and makes them hard to remove.

  • Sage

    My comment to the attorney general of KY: So I guess you are to afraid to do your job, I can see the yellow streak from here in Texas. You are allowing a county clerk to snub your ENTIRE STATE the Federal government and the people of america, I stand by my words, your office is full of cowards.

    You should rename yours to The department of the Yellow Belly Cowards.

    • Reality.Bites

      The case in in federal court. It has nothing to do with Kentucky’s AG.

  • Bad Tom

    “Hearing On Motion Set For Thursday”

    The Court seems to bend over backwards for these twits, doesn’t it? They always get more time.

    I remember a time when, if you were gay, you went directly to jail, full perp walk, newspaper photogs present, could well lose your job, just for dancing at a gay bar.

    Kim Davis, your day of reckoning is approaching. When it finally happens, the schadenfreude will be delicious.

    • Stev84

      Justice moves slow. This is really quick by judicial standards.

      • Bad Tom

        Rosa Parks got arrested immediately.
        The Lovings were arrested immediately.
        Lawrence and Garner were arrested immediately.
        Martin Luther King, Jr. was arrested immediately, more than once.
        The Stonewall patrons were arrested immediately; then they started resisting arrest.

        But a white Christian woman in Kentucky defying a string of court orders because she is violating the rights of Gays? SHE gets a few more days.

        • Christopher Smith

          Exactly.

      • Christopher Smith

        Justice moves glacially, if at all. INjustice always moves fast.

  • Richard Rush

    “They don’t want her incarcerated.”

    Is this a case of the ACLU giving special deference to religion? If Kim Davis were simply a bigot who didn’t invoke God, would the ACLU have said this?

    • bitwise

      She wants to be locked up so she can be a martyr. Why give her what she wants? Just punish her bank account.

      • joe ho

        though the right-wing go fund me crowd will probably make her rich.

        • Exactly. This will backfire big time. If she’d been locked up, she could have received a mental evaluation and been removed from office that way after her breakdown.

        • bitwise

          The fines can be imposed indefinitely until she complies or leaves office, maybe it will be a new revenue stream.

    • joe ho

      it’s probably more of a political calculation.

      photos of her in handcuffs might get her more sympathy and make gays look fascistic.

    • another_steve

      As others are suggesting, it seems to be a logistical move.

      Avoid making her Queen of the Martyrs.

  • This is a mistake. A BIG mistake. Will blow up on the gays… wait and see.

    Would have been fine if they went for jail, but financial penalties play too evenly into the hands of GOP bigwigs.

    • oikos

      The gays? Welcome to 2015. I hope your journey from 1950 was a pleasant one.

      • LonelyLiberal

        The peanuts were stale and the boy serving them wasn’t properly submissive.

        • oikos

          Damn. I hate when that happens.

        • Christopher Smith

          Well, why wasn’t the boy serving them collared and shackled?

          • LonelyLiberal

            An unkkkristian President named Lincoln, may he burn in hell for the crime of freeing people from slavery. Mark of Cain and all that, y’know.

          • Christopher Smith

            I know it…..and since we ain’t got no convenient and acceptable scapegoats/victims LEFT except FAG*OTS, we got to keep them, you know!!

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Wait, wait, what? Is something blowing up on the gays? And why don’t I have any on me?

    • Bruno

      You’re right, it’s a mistake. They should have recommended incarceration.

    • another_steve

      Thoughtful comment, Anthony. The theofascists have millions of dollars to spend on fines.

      I would prefer that they put her in jail.

      • Christopher Smith

        Jail AND fines. it needs both. It’s true , her slimy shyster theofascists have probably slithered through a legal loophole about keeping the payola bonanza from the ‘donations’ to her cause.

  • DisT

    How about $5000 punitive damage for every couple having their constitutional rights violated by Rowan County? Rowan county will be packed.

    • Caligirl2014

      I certainly hope these couples sue her for violating her civil rights. These has been going on for months, and as a government employee myself, it is absurd that she is allowed to forgo her responsibilities.

  • Reasonoverhate

    This highlights a major weakness of KY law. It should be much easier to remove a public servant for breaking the law and not doing their job!

    • another_steve

      Thank you.

      Well stated.

    • It’s because there is no function in the law for removing a clerk for not issuing a marriage license! Though actually,.. if she’s not doing her duties… she could be held as not attending work… which invokes her surety bond.

    • joe ho

      i think they devised this system so that racist officials would be hard to remove.

      • filmo

        Definitely a legacy of Jim Crow.

  • Mister Don

    “12 counts of Assholism”

  • Curt Y

    They can fine her millions, and the Cruzaders will send her twice that in hate bucks. She needs to be found incompetent and removed from office!

  • TampaZeke

    Even still Christians get special privileges! She needs to be threatened with jail time just as ANY other person in contempt of court would be.

    • ZhyKitty

      I’m betting the logic in that goes like this:
      That would make her a martyr.
      Then all the Christofacists would point and say that the gays are having Christians thrown in jail for their beliefs…it’d be a pr nightmare.

  • Harley

    So I guess God needs to be called to testify that It’s word is superior to the supreme courts. Except there is no God so how can it be called to testify.

  • Mark Gerardy

    Solution is for courts to rule that she is to be removed from office and relieved of all duties, and for the acting country clerk to serve as her replacement to comply with the letter of the law. Should Kim Davis return to the premises as a private citizen and attempt to reassume her former role as county clerk, then the local sheriff is to be dispatched to forcibly remove her from the premises as a trespasser. However if she, or anyone, is to antagonize any public office as a trespasser and assume authority for which is not rightfully theirs, then they should be arrested with trespassing and attempting to impersonate a public official.

    • canoebum

      I like it!

  • LovesIrony

    She is defying a Supreme Court ruling, a federal judges ruling, and appellate court denial of a stay and the Supreme Court denial of a stay. And some of you folks worry about creating a martyr? get some fucking guts

    • LonelyLiberal

      Agreed, but there tends to be a step-wise escalation. First fines, then big fines, then jail time.

      • LovesIrony

        It has been 2 fucking months and 6 fucking days since marriage equality has been the law of this nation. I think the delay has been long enough. ..lets get this bigot fined and jailed and put someone in that county that will issue licenses.

        • LonelyLiberal

          It’s been 5 business hours since she’s actually been in violation of the law. Prior to this, she had a court injunction that exempted her.

          Should she? No, of course not, but that’s the law.

          • LovesIrony

            and the couples are still being turned away. Justice delayed is Justice denied.

          • Shy Guy

            It is frustrating. Anyone from any of those couples could be hit by a bus tomorrow, and be legally unmarried. Or put into a hospital that won’t recognize the partner.

            It’s not just a matter annoyance at the delay. These things can have real, lasting, irrevocable consequences.

          • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

            Christians are always willing to let others die for their beliefs.

          • Osowoofy

            They’ll just say the plaintiffs could’ve gone to another county if that was so important to them. (FYI, totally agree with you 1000% — just pointing out their fucked up mentality).

          • Shy Guy

            Yes, I thought of mentioning that in the original comment. They’ve already argued that since the plaintiffs traveled to federal court (presumably in another county) they could have got their license there and thus don’t need to bring a case.

            Of course, they shouldn’t have to, but they don’t care about that…

    • She has gone rogue. I’m not sure that any fee or fine will impact her at all. Unless the courts jail her, she will just go back to “work” and ignore her job duties.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      I would love to see her suffer every punishment deliverable.

      But none of us needs “Devout Christian thrown in jail for her beliefs!”.

      This is Liberty Counsel’s endgame (although they have yet to tell poor Kim.)

      • LovesIrony

        so we should allow her to defy the fucking law?

        • Lumpy Gaga

          The Feds will (one hopes) do what they can and should.

          Meanwhile, LGBT folk are on a slow “Religulous Freedumb!” boil from more corners than Kentucky. The snake-handlers and snake-oil salesman are salivating for jail time for Davis. For that reason and that reason alone, I’d rather not see it.

      • Christopher Smith

        Nope. This national war with the Xtian bigots is going to happen. They have salivated over it ever since the RFRA fascist acts started. Allowing her to skate only encourages them to pull this garbage everywhere. Jail her and bring it on.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Point taken.

  • Octavio

    From now on these will be known as the “asshole days” of summer. :0(

    • jmax

      “Dog days” fits her just as well.

      • oikos

        Dog thief days.

      • Octavio

        Yeah, but there are no stars shining inside her head. LOL!

  • The Professor

    They should have fees AND jail time.

    • MBear

      …and a one way ticket to Uganda

  • thevofl

    The gay couple who were just denied and escorted out, should go back into the office and demand it again. Should the sheriff come by again, refuse to leave, get arrested, and then wave the cuffs in the air and say “All we wanted to do is get married as allowed by the constitution, and her religious beliefs made me get arrested.” (I know, this is easy for me to say this from my comfort in California.)

    • canoebum

      I think they’ve suffered enough trauma already.

      • thevofl

        You have a valid point, but still . . . it would be interesting to turn the tables on her.

      • Christopher Smith

        What’s ‘traumatic’ about working to ensure equality and legal parity? This comment was precisely on point–we NEED to turn the tables on these creatures in exactly this manner.

        • canoebum

          If you don’t believe what’s happening to these couples is traumatic for them, I guess you’ve never been in love. I don’t think they went to the courthouse to “work to ensure equality”. A license would have been just fine and they would have left happy and in peace, without all the hubbub.

          • Christopher Smith

            Let’s see. First, you’re sufficiently imbecilic to think ‘love’ is defined by the state and pieces of paper, and that any loving couple would be simply emotionally shattered at any temporary delay in obtaining the sacred piece of paper. Second, this couple went to the courthouse MANY times, in case you couldn’t comprehend that part of the case. Had they only wanted a license they would merely have gone to another county. Third, your completely baseless ASSumptions about me and about ‘luv’ (which is clearly all you know of love) are laughable.

          • canoebum

            Maybe you’re too imbecilic to have read they left the clerk’s office in tears. I don’t know what your problem is, but you can fuck yourself, asshole!

          • Christopher Smith

            No refutal, no logic, no mind–just the stupidest, most brain-dead rejoinder imaginable. That’s really all you’ve got, isn’t it? that and endless tired cliches about ‘luv.’
            Moron.

          • canoebum

            Like you’re the kind of person who could carry on an intelligent conversation. Fuck you, troll.

          • Christopher Smith

            Oh, no, it is you who are the troll, and the moron, and incapable of carrying on any sort of conversation. Get lost, troll.

    • Christopher Smith

      you are absolutely right.

  • MikeBx2

    By defying the court order, she’s already in contempt. At the very least, she should be escorted from the premises and the deputy clerks informed they will be in contempt if they don’t issue the licenses. Then they can have Davis’ hearing on Thursday to decide her punishment.

    • Can the police escort her from the clerks office for being in contempt?

      • MikeBx2

        Good question, to which I don’t know the answer. The local Sheriff is probably right outside praying for her. (I’m only partly being facetious)

      • canoebum

        She’s been summoned to Federal Court. Not showing up isn’t an option.

        • With her, anything is possible.

  • Robert Basamania

    Gee anyone else held in contempt goes to jail, why make a special allowance for her…ooo right religion. Just more proof christians have more rights than everyone else.

    • I think the ACLU is trying to keep her from full martyr status by asking for her not to be jailed.

      • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

        Just because the ACLU isn’t seeking it doesn’t mean the judge might not deem it appropriate

        • Steverino

          Agree, my take is what biki commented, but that call is ultimately for the judge to make.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        You didn’t see the original filing. Every other sentence ends in a winking emoji.

    • MBear

      christian terrorism

  • DaveMiller135

    Yeah, I don’t need her to go to jail. But she should probably be fired, at this point.

  • Arkansan

    Joe, please depress the turbo button on your server. Thank you.

  • Robert Adams

    Why does a person who refuses to do the job they were hired to do still have that job? I want to join whatever union she pays dues to.

    • She’s elected by the people of her county, answers to the Constitution of Kentucky and is disciplined/removed by the Kentucky legislature.

      • LonelyLiberal

        …who is not in session this year and probably won’t be called back to deal with this.

        • Tor

          And they probably will not vote to impeach when they have a chance…..

  • Robert Adams

    Looks like everyone who wants to get married where this clown works is being persecuted by a Christian. Onward Christian soldiers…?

    • joe ho

      as soon as the christians came into power under constantine they started persecuting pagans and destroying pagan shrines, temples and works of art.

      if it weren’t for our strong secular culture that developed after the enlightenment , christers would still be as brutal as muslims.

      • oikos

        If they could get away with it I think they would be more brutal.

  • I see we’re still crashing the blog with our gleeful, heathen sinning.

    • oikos

      It’s working ok for me. I actually had more trouble with it yesterday.

    • Its a mite chunky and slow to respond for me today as well.

    • Arkansan

      Who would have thunk there could be so much traffic on a Duggarless news day?

    • Christopher Smith

      grin

  • Ninja0980

    Enough is enough, bankrupt this $#@!

  • BobSF_94117

    Interesting that the deputy clerks received summons as well.

    • oikos

      Good!

      • BobSF_94117

        Maybe. Possibly bad. What if the judge says that because some of her staff is willing, she and those who aren’t need not issue SSM licenses?

        • Tor

          It’s a worry, but after all the previous decisions, I don’t see that happening.

        • oikos

          I’m hopeful that at this point she has pissed the Judge off enough that he will not do that. She has also willfully and egregiously violated the court’s orders.

    • LonelyLiberal

      It’s always nice when the Nuremberg Defense doesn’t work.

  • SFHarry

    Can’t she just be fired? Wouldn’t that solve the problem. If she is not willing to complete her duties wouldn’t that be grounds?

    • She’s elected by the people of her county, answers to the Constitution of Kentucky and is disciplined/removed by the Kentucky legislature.

    • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

      No, as an elected official, she can’t. Only impeached, fined, or jailed.

  • Let Jesus take the wheel, honey.

    http://i.giphy.com/lU5rMA09zAGmk.gif

    • LonelyLiberal

      Jesus is at serious risk of hydroplaning.

      • Tor

        Vehicular equivalent of walking on water.

        • LonelyLiberal

          So non-miraculous that even I’ve done it. :-)

      • MBear

        he’s been doing it since the days before cars

      • LOL he can drive on water

        • George M Melby

          Heyyyyyy, I can too… on a river in Minneapolis, MN in January!

        • Six Pins Delores

          Thought it was thin ice.

    • oikos

      Stealing! <3

      • Did you post it? I didn’t scan the comments. Sorry 😉

        • oikos

          No, I’m stealing it from you to use at some future time.

      • George M Melby

        Also “borrowing,” thank you!

  • Happy Dance

    Why can’t they fine her, incarcerate her, AND fire her?

    • Tor

      She can’t be fired.

      • Happy Dance

        They can definitely remove her from office.

  • jim

    throw the bitch in jail , any other person who defied judges like this would be thrown in jail

  • canoebum

    After some thought, I’ve decided the best outcome for this, after Clerk Davis and all her deputy clerks are held in contempt of a Federal judge’s order, and other clerks temporarily appointed to carry out the duties of the office, that she be charged by the Commonwealth of Kentucky with official misconduct, but be found to be MENTALLY INCOMPETENT to stand trial. The woman is obviously loony tunes and can be removed from office on that basis. No rational, mentally healthy human, would act the way she has acted.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      In Iowa, it only takes to signatures to have someone committed, ( before a magistrate) and obviously against their will, for a minimum of 72 hours.

      That could be done today :)

  • bill@19D

    Good to see that the hearing was set to be soon, back to court with her, this will be an easy ruling.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Thursday before Labor Day. Big whoop. Ain’t nothing going to happen for another week.

  • Ninja0980

    Here’s the thing folks.
    If she keeps getting a pass, it will only be a matter of time before bigots elsewhere in other fields will want it as well.
    Enough is enough, time to throw her in jail and if she becomes a hero to the bigots, so be it.
    This isn’t a cake shop, this is a GOVERNMENT office.

    • oikos

      Your last sentence says it all.

    • Steverino

      At least the bakers, florists, B&B wedding venues, etc. are refusing to take our money by denying us service. This twit is taking our taxpayer dollars while refusing to serve us.

    • Christopher Smith

      YESSSSS

  • MBear

    punished with fees?
    oh please – for heterosexual christian terrorism?

  • SFBruce

    I’d like to know the judge who’ll hear this. According to the US District Court Eastern District of Kentucky website, Henry R. Wilhoit, a Reagan appointee and a Senior District Judge, is the only Judge with an Ashland address. I don’t know how or when judges are assigned to cases, but it’ll be interesting to know who’ll hear this. To me, it’s so straightforward, it shouldn’t matter, but I wish it would be before Bunning. Even the most temperate of judges have to be pissed off when their rulings are ignored.

  • Queequeg

    I would suspect that some others who work in the office would issue licenses, but are intimidated by their boss. She clearly is in contempt, plus there must be some oath of office or at least rules of conduct that she has broken. There has to be a way to remove her from office.

    • oikos

      Her oath of office is to uphold the constitution of the US and the laws of the state of KY.

      • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

        But she swore an oath to Jesus to hate gay people and ignore what he said about divorce.

        • oikos

          Christer cherry picking always trumps the law (in their feeble minds).

          • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

            It’s an extension of that same sense of entitlement.

      • Queequeg

        OK and the law of Kentucky, after the Supreme Court decision, includes issuing marriage licenses to qualified couples. She is in violation and should be removed.

        • oikos

          Nothing would make me happier.

  • TMA

    Beshear needs to call a special session of the legislature to impeach and remove her. Or at the VERY least have her charged with Official Misconduct in the interim. After being held in contempt by Judge Bunning, the US Marshals should be called in to escort the couple to the clerk’s office, have her refuse to issue it again, then the Marshal should silently step behind the counter and approve the application themselves in lieu of the county clerk. No jail time needed to totally and irreparably humiliate her.

    • billbear1961

      And they can do this again and again, until she complies, resigns or is removed from office.

    • GreatLakeSailor

      Beshear needs to call a special session of the legislature to impeach and remove her.

      Wholeheartedly agree, the catch is that would require a Democrat to have a fuckin spine and stand against Tyrannical ChristoFascist Dominionism, and that just ain’t gonna happen.
      https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1735/5580/original.jpg

  • GayOldLady

    Oh, no! Does this mean she won’t have to wear an Orange Jumpsuit? And I was so looking forward to seeing her in something fashionable.

  • Silver_Witch

    The self-righteous bitch actually had the gaul to say to the couple – “I will take my consequences – you will take yours on judgment day”. SEND HER TO JAIL…that is the only way she will get it.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      She needs to start speaking in tongues.

      • billbear1961

        The tongue in BOTH of her faces is FORKED.

        • LonelyLiberal

          Really, guys. Don’t make me think about her and tongue.

    • billbear1961

      Before she threatens others with Judgment Day, the two-faced FRAUD–the unrepentant adulteress–should refresh her defective memory about what her Lord and Saviour had to say about DIVORCE and those who marry new people afterwards!

      There was never a religious morality test–of her own making–imposed by her on all the sinners–and even criminals–who met the legal requirements for a license BEFORE Obergefell.

      It is pure hypocrisy that she seeks to impose one NOW, for one reason and one reason ONLY, her hatred for same-sex couples.

      • Silver_Witch

        BillBear did you see the article today that she was pregnant with twins by her third husband when she divorced her first and married her second husband and that he adopted the twins of her third husband? Swear it is true.

        Liberty Counsel points out that was before she found jesbus and was washed in the blood of forgiveness….

        I have always said the worst hypocrites are ex-Sinners and ex-Smokers….

  • JohnJay

    Start withholding her pay for not doing her job. When Friday comes and her pay check doesn’t, things will get real, fast.

  • Jmdintpa

    she isnt going to step down or out. its all about the photo op of her being led away in hand cuffs… thats the only way she is going out. she needs the publicity for her “cause”. she is going to make damn sure she is put in jail.

  • Robert Wright

    Withhold her paycheck until she gives in. Me thinks this woman is nuts !!

  • RLK2

    Why not jail time? Why do gay people always have to be so accommodating to the bigots? They would not do the same for gay people.

    • noni

      ACLU knows the courts still consider gay people second class citizens, so gays are left to scrap for respect by being obedient and nice like second class citizens are required.

      Especially when treading on Christian Privilege territory and all the obedience that requires of all US citizens and especially second class citizens.

    • James

      My take is that the possible penalties include jail time and/or a fine, and instead of jail only or jail and a smaller fine, they want her to be deprived of a bigger chunk of the taxpayer money she’s been paid while failing to do her job.

  • Hue-Man

    This drama reminds me of Toronto City Council’s attempt to fire Rob Ford – another gay-hating wingnut. Turns out, Toronto can’t fire a mayor unless he’s charged with an indictable offense that could result in jail time. There were calls for the Ontario provincial government to change the legislation but it was difficult to justify for one particular (outrageous) case.

    After a leave-of-absence for drug rehab and cancer treatment, he was elected councillor in his old ward in 2014 with 58% of the votes! Yes, you read that right 58% – “vote for the biggest crackhead on the ballot!”

    http://www.cp24.com/news/ford/what-the-law-says-about-removing-a-mayor-1.1534069

  • LAguy323

    Show me

  • Osowoofy

    I find the really interesting part of this to be that the judge ordered all the deputy clerks to be present. I’m betting that most ( if not all) of the underlings don’t share Miss Kim’s religious fervor and will really resent having to get legal representation. And be on the hook for fines.

    • noni

      I wonder if any of them will issue a marriage license to the couple in the mean time to show the court they have changed their mind.

      Kim couldn’t do anything about it. She already deputized them to be able to issue marriage licenses.

      Kim could march out there and rip up the documents and I wouldn’t put it past her.

      • Reality.Bites

        I believe she could fire them. I have no idea what their working conditions are – if they’re permanent, or political appointees, if they serve at her pleasure, etc.

    • noni

      One news article said that 4 of Kim’s underlings agree with her, one is undecided, and another one would issue a marriage license to a gay couple.

  • ryan charisma

    The judge (hopefully) will use both massive fines & jail time.

  • noni

    What does it say to gay people when they see a Christian handled with kid gloves while a gay couple who can legally wed are made to stand on the sidelines for 8 weeks?

    Going through the court system to get relief and when it is given, the courts drags it’s feet enforcing it’s ruling.

    The ACLU should never have had to file a motion to demand Christian Kim Davis adhere to the courts own decision. The court should have immediately imposed the enforcement. But it’s a gay couple against a Christian.

    • Steven Leahy

      It says we still have a long, long way to go.

  • Lori Comstock Preston

    This is ridiculous. Fire her! Pretty soon people will be saying that under “God’s authority” they’ve stoned people to death. Stop the ridiculousness. She’s not performing her job, and where I come from, people get fired for that.

    • George M Melby

      For the umpteenth time, the Davis POS cannot be fired! She must be removed by the Legislature because she holds an elected office! Geez, Louise!

      • William

        She can’t perform her required duties from jail. A long stay might require her to resign. It’s possible a criminal conviction might disqualify her from holding office.

      • Reality.Bites

        It’s amazing how many people seem to think the answer to her not upholding the law is to have various other people break the law to punish her.

  • Christopher Smith

    What on earth is this drivel about ‘not seeking incarceration?’ Put the fat toad in jail so that she can no longer sit on her morbidly obese can and practice her bigotry while collecting taxpayer money for her behavior!

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Looking back to two infamous cases from the Civil Rights era, it appears that the threat of fines, incarceration and Federal troops can break the logjam.

      1. General Henry Graham (of the federalized Alabama National Guard) then commanded (Governor) Wallace to step aside, saying, “Sir, it is my sad duty to ask you to step aside under the orders of the President of the United States.” Wallace then spoke further, but eventually moved, and Malone and Hood registered as students (at UA).

      2. On September 28 (1962), the Court of Appeals . . .found the Governor (of Mississippi) in civil contempt and ordered that he be arrested and pay a fine of $10,000 for each day that he kept up the refusal, unless he complied by October. . . .
      Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy ordered 500 U.S. Marshals to accompany (James) Meredith during his arrival and registration (at Ole Miss). On September 29, (1962) President Kennedy issued a proclamation commanding all persons engaged in the obstruction of the laws and the orders of the courts to “cease and desist therefrom and to disperse and retire peaceably forthwith”, citing his authority under 10 U.S.C. § 332, § 333, and § 334 to use the militia or the armed forces to suppress any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_in_the_Schoolhouse_Door
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Meredith#Challenge_to_University_of_Mississippi

      • Christopher Smith

        Yes. Orval Faubus. Etc. And you’d better believe the Xtian fascists will require all that and more to be forced to step aside.

    • noni

      Christians have to be handled with kid gloves because well because Kim says so. Just like she will not issue marriage licenses because she says so.

      • Christopher Smith

        So true. Xtians have such *delicate* sensibilities–just look at the Inquisition and the Crusades….

  • ben-andy

    Even the AP gets it slightly wrong. The 6th Circuit did NOT “uphold” the District Court’s decision. The 6th Circuit refused to grant a stay based on the unlikelihood of Mrs. Davis prevailing at trial. Yes, that is an assessment on their part that she doesn’t have a strong case, but it is not the same as upholding the ruling after a hearing of appeal.

  • sandy

    your “god,” fortunately for every other person but you, doesn’t have any authority over anyone else. your “god” is irrelevant.

  • jenelle_bahan

    Mrs Davis is a pawn the religious nut jobs are using her she is to stupid to know that let’s see what happens when she is held in contempt of court an fines pile up don’t she will be impeached especially with the republican legislation but if she is inpeaches she should lose pension an benefits

  • Xuuths

    No, no, NO! Fines mean nothing. The fundamentalists will just hold a fundraiser and pay it for her. Putting her — and whichever deputies also defy the court order — in jail will make her personally responsible for her inaction.

    • crusaderrabbit

      Yep, it will never cost her a penny personally. In fact she`ll probably make a handsome profit although I`m sure there is some bible verse against that that she can conveniently ignore.

  • JIM W

    ACLU Files Contempt Of Court Motion Against Kim Davis, Say They Don’t Want Her Incarcerated. BS I say let let the “B” rot in jail. She’s brought all this on herself. As far as Davis paying the fees, she probably doesn’t have enough equity in her trailer house to cover it.
    She’ll make a claim of hardship because she can’t tithe to Jeebus.

    • anne marie in philly

      FUCK YEAH!

  • TexPlant

    Fine her an amount that is equal to double her salary

  • Scruffy224

    Let me get this straight. The gay couples are impinging on her rights? Did I eat the brown acid? They won’t touch the constitution unless it supports their bigoted behavior. I’d love to know how getting married AFTER being together for 17 years (probably longer than her multi-marriages) will “hurt” her and all those lovely Christians. Will denying their right to marry turn them straight? None of this makes any sense.

    • noni

      Don’t try to make sense of the Christian Lifestyle. It’s built on non reality, a fairy tale type book, an imaginary sky daddy, and people who like being controlled by grifters, scammers, and evil haters because they themselves have those qualities. It’s where the untreated mentally ill go to learn how to impose their mental illness and a “let’s pretend” world into your life through laws and Christian Privilege. Not only are the kooks in the Christian Cult, but seemingly reasonable people still try to rationalize that “they’re good people” for some god damn reason.

  • ajchar

    Maybe Judge Bunning has found a creative way to get the licenses issued without making a jailhouse martyr of her. Say he holds her in contempt, fines her, and bars her from the courthouse until she swears to issue licenses to all qualified applicants. And makes sure that the Rowan County Attorney (who wants to dump her ass) knows all court officers are to enforce the order. Then he issues a court order to all the deputy clerks to issue licenses or face contempt charges. Looking forward to reports on the contempt hearing!

  • Tom Seaman

    Actually, one must respect Kim Davis for her courageous stand against evil.
    Finally some one who stands up for what is “right and good.”

    • DaddyRay

      She stood up alright – in front of a justice 4 times to get married after 3 prior divorces. If she is so religious then why does she ignore the Buy-Bull when it comes to divorce?

      • Reality.Bites

        From her statement it seems she conveniently found religion with her current husband. And of course being a Christian everything you did as recently as ten seconds ago doesn’t count if you pretend you’re sorry for doing it.

        • DaddyRay

          And I am sure she would have been just fine with a more religious County Clerk denying her a marriage license because she had been divorced.

          • Reality.Bites

            Well we’ll never know because this marriage will last for life. 😉

    • ECarpenter

      Well, if she was standing up against evil, we’d all applaud. But she’s actually only standing up to say she doesn’t like Gay people, and wants to treat them as her inferiors, because she is a Christian. Although that runs counter to Jesus’ teachings. She also has lived in adultery for many years, and we all know what Jesus thought about that.

  • JCF

    Tell her they’ll confiscate her GOOD denim smock! :-p

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  • Josh Boyd

    “I really love my fiancee and want to marry them, but I have already
    been married once and gotten a divorcee. It just wouldn’t be right
    under God’s law, so I will be staying single.” -No Christian Ever

    “Dan
    proposed to me, but I had to turn him down as I have had premarital sex
    with someone else. God’s law states that my marriage to him could not
    be valid.” -No Christian Ever

    Why does God’s law always seem to apply to other people and never the person who holds the beliefs?

  • Dave

    NO JAIL!!!!! Bullshit. If she wants to be a martyr let her go all the way. She should be in jail already after her first refusal post SCOTUS denial of her stay. No one has any fucking balls to enforce a court’s order and she must know it.

  • rob_d_m

    Strange that she had her epiphany after her 4th marriage. She only wants the rights to the Lifetime movie.

  • Byron Batista

    How illegal does something have to be before they do something about it??? Throw her in jail! If God didn’t tell SCOTUS that it was wrong, then he certainly didn’t tell this creature, who has been married multiple times, and seems to be wearing an outfit made from two different kinds of cloth. Also, the bible is pretty clear on what it thinks about women who talk about religion. She’s wasting tax payer money. Does she still hand out gun licenses?

  • BlueberriesForMe

    Yup. It’ll be on to something else next week.

  • John30013

    Ugh! What self-respecting LGBT person (or any decent person, for that matter) would want to accept her “service”?

  • Chucktech

    Not to mention, phony baloney hellfire…

  • Menergy

    “Martyr for the cause”? That was Gov Wallace too back when. So what? Is this really more solid an objection by the populace than was anti-black bigotry and action in the South?

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