PHILADELPHIA: Catholic Church Reneges On Hosting LGBT Groups During World Meeting Of Families

Equally Blessed, a coalition of four national LGBT Catholic groups, have been told that they will not be allowed to use the meeting space they were promised during next month’s World Meeting Of Families in Philadelphia.  Philly Mag reports:

Equally Blessed had secured the use of St. John the Evangelist Church’s parish center at 12th and Ludlow Streets this spring, said Francis DeBernardo, head of the Maryland-based New Ways Ministry, one of the groups in the coalition. The apparent ejection from St. John’s is the latest evidence of the divide between church leaders and LGBT Catholic groups as the meeting and the visit by Pope Francis draw near. Organizers of the alternative events planned for St. John’s were told last week by its pastor that the Archdiocese of Philadelphia disapproved of their gender identity program and they would no longer be allowed to use space at St. John’s for any events that week, DeBernardo said. As a result, he said, the coalition is looking into relocating those events to Arch Street United Methodist Church, also near the Convention Center. A secretary at the church confirmed that discussions were underway. The pastor of the Arch Street church, the Rev. Robin Hynicka, could not immediately be reached for comment. Ken Gavin, spokesman for the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, said that administrators from the archdiocese had looked into the programming and provided guidance but that the final decision on use of space at St. John’s was made by the parish. Gavin said it was expected that “any parish-sponsored activities would feature content that is in line with church teaching.”

Catholic League head Bill Donohue is thrilled about the cancellation.

The four dissident Catholic LGBT groups that are not welcome to engage in mutiny at this event are New Ways Ministry, Dignity USA, Fortunate Families, and Call to Action. But they have been invited to hold fort at a local Methodist church. Good for them. They have finally found a home. The leaders of New Ways Ministry were “permanently removed” from any “pastoral work involving homosexuals” under Pope John Paul II. Three U.S. cardinals have also said that it is a phony Catholic group. Dignity USA has also been blasted by bishops. This year, to show what side it is on, it featured as its Keynote Speaker, Dan Savage, the most obscene anti-Catholic in the nation. The Inquirer would never dare print what he has said about popes, bishops, priests, and nuns. Fortunate Families, while not vile, nonetheless refuses to accept Catholic teachings on homosexuality and marriage. Small wonder it was rebuffed. Call to Action is so crazy that its members have been excommunicated in some dioceses. It has been in rebellion against the Church for decades. So these are the people the Philadelphia Inquirer sympathizes with, not the loyal sons and daughters of the Church. But taking sides with those who bear an animus against Catholicism is not exactly virgin territory for this newspaper. It’s had lots of practice.

  • Sk3ptic

    It makes me happy that I just don’t care one little bit about this.

    • scottrose

      ///

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Sorry, but I expect nothing but hate from any and all religions. They are the scourge of humanity and if you want to play with them you do so at your own peril. Religion is a mental disease.

    • Ginger Snap

      100% truth.

  • anne marie in philly

    of course, because the RCC can only rape children and abuse children. everyone is NOT welcome at the table.
    PS – have any of your readers read about what my city is doing for this shitty meeting? putting us under martial law! terrorism! security theater! bullshit!

    • Gustav2

      I hope you can get out of town during the Zombie Convention.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        More interesting to me is in seeing what measures will be in place for the World Family of Families who family-con, taking place in the days prior to the actual visit. Judging by this new cunning stunt, the plan is to have events/panels at various locations.

        I’ll be doing my bit.

        “Can you tell me how to get to […]?”
        “Ask Jesus.”

      • anne marie in philly

        I’mma staying put in the burbs, far enough away from dis shit!

    • Stubenville

      Anne Marie – run for the hills. Have you seen the road closures planned for New Jersey? I’m on the Main Line and I’ll heading 100 miles north on Friday morning to avoid what will likely be complete traffic gridlock for the entire region.

      • anne marie in philly

        I actually live in the burbs, up far enough away from all dis shit. I ain’t going into the city, not even if somebody was handing out $1M bills.

    • Gindy51

      And yet unlike when President Obama goes any where, the media will ignore this 100%

    • Chucktech

      Just pretend it’s a snowstorm! Isn’t that what your mayor said? Just treat the pope’s visit like it was a natural disaster, or something…

      • Ed Burrow

        it *is* a natural disaster.

        • Chucktech

          No, it’s really an unnatural disaster.

      • Todd20036

        Well, I get an extra day off next month because of this stupid pope

      • Lumpy Gaga

        That’s actually good advice – to pretend it’s a predicted blizzard. Stock up on food, water, etc., because deliveries won’t get made, and assume your car isn’t going anywhere any time soon.

        Now, the kettle of fish over HERE is about whether this is the first large-scale experiment in roping off a downtown, keeping the rabble at bay, squelching free speech, etc.

        Whether they should be doing any of this paranoia-state shit at all? Well, I actually agree with some limits on private street traffic (Philly streets downtown are not passable on a good day), but not to this histrionic scale. This is a 48+ hour clear-out/lockdown.

        My frog thinks it’s getting warm in here.

      • anne marie in philly

        the mayor can be a huge idiot sometimes; this is one of those times.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      It certainly looks, sounds, and smells like practice for our dystopian, militarized, tightly controlled future. I don’t think that’s overstating it at all.

    • GC

      Talk about special privileges for religion! President Obama has been in the area several times, and he was perfectly safe despite not having a two-day+ traffic lockdown.

      • anne marie in philly

        RAMEN! this is what pisses me off the most about this whole clusterfuck!

    • ExGayTherapyKills

      Is it true the children will be free to meet with the priest in their hotel rooms?

      • anne marie in philly

        hey, stranger things have happened!

        • ExGayTherapyKills

          Having to do with priest who do what they do to the children?

  • Bob Conti

    Maybe they should contact St. Mark’s Episcopal on Locust. In fact, maybe they should just stay there since St. Mark’s, like the Episcopal Church USA, is welcoming to LGBT parishoners. It’s all the same liturgy, without the controlling guilt and judgment.

  • CaliforniaDude

    Bless their hearts for trying. I left the hateful Catholic church years ago because I got tired of being on my knees every Sunday! #ByeFelicia

    • LonelyLiberal

      Many left because being on your knees on Sunday morning was somewhat irritating after being on their knees Saturday night.

      • Mark

        That’s why gawd invented these….

      • ExGayTherapyKills

        The alter boys were also getting tired of bending over.

        • JCF

          They started as altar boys, but after the child rape, they were forever altered, for sure…

  • TampaDink

    Not surprising but another reminder that giving up religion for Lent 6 years ago & extending a holdover on the suspension of my former system of beliefs was & is the right move.

    • Chucktech

      Gave up religion for Lent! Ha! You fucking heretic… Good on you.

      • TampaDink

        Call me what you will….but I have a slight preference for “godless man whore”. (I borrowed the godless whore part from Garfunkle & Oates video “The Loophole”….which I personally believe cannot possibly be over shared. ☺

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZF_R_j0OY

        • scottrose

          Guten Tag!

    • scottrose

      Catholic clergy giving the “Heil Hitler!” salute.

  • Phil

    And this comes as a surprise because…….?

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    I have never understood the people who continue to support this or any other religion that rejects their very existence. There are plenty of religions and spiritual schools of thought that are welcoming and accepting of the LGBT community.

    • JCF

      ^This.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    They also hide their money from victims of child abuse.

    • MattM

      As Jesus told them to, in the Bible.

  • pickypecker

    Hmm…..maybe those brothers and sisters of ours should seek alternate allies?
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/meme-dolphin.jpg

    • Sk3ptic

      That cracks me UP!

    • Lumpy Gaga

      “He, uh… looks a lot like Lloyd Bridges….”

  • Jeffg166

    I’ll be happy when Frank is gone. The city will shut down Friday night until Monday morning even though he is leaving Sunday night. They expect 1.5 million people to show up. How they will get there is a good question. Think they will be lucky if half a million show up.

  • delk

    take the hint

  • CPT_Doom

    I would love to see the hissy fit Donohue would throw if an LGBT American as much as refused to serve a cup of coffee to Bergoglio when he was visiting. In fact, I’d love to see the reaction if LGBT Americans and their allies refused to support the visit of this elected tyrant, whose institution not only has interfered with our national policy, but is also responsible for the largest criminal conspiracy in human history. It’s about time we stopped showing religion so much damn deference.

  • Stev84

    What a surprise. When will these self-loathing idiots get that the church hates their guts, even when it claims it doesn’t?

    • oikos

      Just like the Log cabinettes, they have battered spouse syndrome. The church tells them it loves them and then the abuse cycle starts anew. The resurrection of abuse is the only one the sheeple will ever see.

      • Octavio

        So true. And it’s definitely the ONLY type of resurrection they will ever see.

  • joe ho

    ….

    • D. J.

      Just Say No…. That just might work on religion. Doesn’t do shit with sex or drugs, but hey, for religion, it’s worth a try.

    • Robincho

      Do you think that together we could find this model?…

      • Chucktech

        What’s wrong with his face?? I hope nothing’s wrong with his face…

        • JCF

          He’s a cyclops up there. *-)

  • MattM

    Are you telling me the Catholic Church and their new, cooler, kinder Pope are actually the same hateful bigots they’ve always been? I’m shocked and appalled!

    • barracks9

      But…but…but The Advocate said…Man of the Year…but…but..but…

      • BudClark

        Fuck the Pope;

        fuck the Roman Church;

        and FUCK THE ADVOCATE!

        • MattM

          Fuck them before they fuck the kids.

          • Chucktech

            Too late…

          • Ginger Snap

            Way too late.

        • Todd20036

          Not that desperate.
          Not that drunk.
          Not that thrilled with seeing a therapist for the rest of my life.

        • 2karmanot

          The Holy Trinity….come and sit by me!

        • Lumpy Gaga

          ‘Member that time when the Advocate’s right-wing publisher tried to make SUPERLIVING a thing, then he died from AIDS?

          • scottrose

        • People4Humanity

          Fuck the poop’s mom!

        • ColdDesert

          Let’s dust this little hit of 2010 off…
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHRDfut2Vx0

    • MarkOH

      Different day, same Pradas, apparently.

    • Mark

      This is my shocked face – shocked I tells ya!!!

  • Tor

    What do these groups expect? The church has made its intentions very clear for decades. They need to find a new church or quit it entirely. Old Catholic still has the fancy dress, but is accepting.

    • BudClark

      THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH WELCOMES YOU!

      Especially St. Clement’s in Philadelphia.

  • bryan

    Pedophile protecting religious businesses have nothing to teach families. They are anti family.

    • Stev84

      Even if a priest isn’t a pedophile he is still (usually) celibate and knows nothing about marriage or families.

  • madknits

    But wait! Francis is the kinder, gentler pope! The one who embraces gays and lesbians!

    Fuck him. The only pontiff I want to see is a pope on a rope.

  • bdsmjack

    C’Mon, Philly! Why aren’t you organizing a Jebus Zombie Bar Crawl the same weekend? A thousand Zombie Jebus’ stumbling around town, pub to pub shrieking, “Brains! Brains!” oughtta freak out the Catlick tourists.

    • shellback

      I like your line of thinking and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

      • bdsmjack

        (Bows)

        We have a Zombie Pub Crawl here in Minneapolis every October. It draws a few thousand and always a handful of Jebus zombies.

    • oikos

      If I lived there, I would be so up for that.

    • Gerry Fisher

      YES!!!

  • shellback

    A good lesson for those who will not see.

  • JaniceInToronto

    It astonishes me how any self-respecting LGBT individual would belong to the Catholic Church. These people have serious mental problems and need help. Hint: They’re not going to get it from the Church.

    Really, it’s like Jews for Nazism, or Blacks for the KKK. WTF?

    • Gustav2

      It really is a cultural/ritual comfort thing. Most Roman Catholics I know are cafeteria. They pick and choose what they want to believe, if they believe at all.

      • oikos

        That’s like most of christianity. Of course with over 100 different versions of the bible to choose, cherry picking from it is not surprising.

      • zhera

        If it’s that easy to choose, why pick a culture/ritual where you (general you) are villified? Makes no sense!

        • Gustav2

          It’s like when the husband goes home to rural Ohio, he just doesn’t hear the stuff that drives me crazy. He chooses not to hear to spend time with his family.

          And if you went to a mass in most parishs you would not ever hear the parish priest say a damn thing about contraception or homosexuality. Only when the letters from the bishop are read does any of that stuff come up. That has changed a bit with Ratzinger, it did become more conservative.

      • Mister Don

        The other Catholic families on our street were appalled when an Italian Catholic family moved in in the late 1950s, then went out on their power boat all weekend, every weekend, meaning no Mass. They also had only two kids, meaning birth control. My hats off to them wherever they are, for a successful escape.

    • DavidAZ

      Don’t forget that other wandering-in-the-wilderness-tribe….gay republicans.

      • Octavio

        Hell, gay Republicans can’t even cruise properly!! 🙁

    • Todd20036

      You mean like in Blazing Saddles?

    • Hal Watts

      Any LGBT person trying to stay in the Catholic Church is like someone staying in an abusive relationship….

  • oikos

    Anti- gay, anti contraception, anti women. The only thing missing are the Prada shoes from Der Nazi pope predecessor.

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/81/29/af/8129afee023d0f1ad636e14692ec51a5.jpg

    • LonelyLiberal

      Indira Gandhi would like a word with him.

    • Chucktech

      Been that way ever since Eve talked to the snake.

      • oikos

        So true. Can I offer you a magic apple? 🙂

        • Chucktech

          You mean, like, 3 wishes magic apple?? Snow White kind of magic apple?? Just what kind of demon sorcery you have in mind?

          • Bad Tom

            Or, are you talking about the watch?

          • oikos

            Just the run of the mill gay kind. We’ll go with the 3 wishes magic apple.

          • Chucktech

            Perfect! I’ll take a dozen, please…

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Feh. You shoulda seen the first draft….

      • Stev84

        The snake is really the hero of the story.

        • Duck

          Yep, the only one that told the truth…

      • 2karmanot

        Who could refuse a hot snake, I ask you?

    • scottrose

      …..

  • BobSF_94117

    With Chaput as the archbishop, I’m surprised they weren’t rejected right off the bat.

  • D. J.

    Are they locking down all cisterns in Philadelphia in preparation?

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    “So these are the people the Philadelphia Inquirer sympathizes with, not the loyal sons and daughters of the Church.”

    Those “loyal sons and daughters of the church” stood by for decades while priests molested children. They are complacent in single mothers being forced into slavery while babies were dumped into septic tanks. Fuck those loyal sons and daughters.

    • KQCA

      It is dumbfounding how many Catholic parishioners casually turn a blind eye to the molestation scandal and deception happening right under their noses, yet they will get up in arms against the civil rights of a group of people they’ve never met.

    • zhera

      I watched ‘Philomena’ last weekend. Those damn nuns, I’d smack them through the TV if I could!

      • Chucktech

        What a great movie that was!

      • Hue-Man

        CBC TV is running the Australian series “Love Child”. The series description (past episodes available at the link but probably geo-blocked).

        “LOVE CHILD is set in a Sydney boarding house and hospital in the 1960s, where young, unwed mothers are sent to live for the duration of their pregnancy.” http://www.cbc.ca/lovechild/

        The first episode had a sheet hung around the new mother’s bed so she couldn’t see her baby – it was immediately taken away for adoption.

  • D. J.

    World Meetings of Family. Shouldn’t they be meeting in Moscow?

    • Lumpy Gaga

      That’s where they did their planning. Secret Service and Philadelphia Police and private security are for keeping the dissidents at a safe distance.

      Le DUH!!!!!!!!!

  • Octavio

    Gosh. Isn’t there a mormon ward house in that same neighborhood they could use?
    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO!

    • Lumpy Gaga

      You laugh but there is a HUGE Mormon temple under construction firmly within the security zone. It’s far from ready for anything in time for Popestock ’15, but it will be a permanent fixture on Vine Street when completed.

      • Octavio

        That is most unfortunate. 🙁

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Even pre-Pope, our heathen eyes have been shielded from the construction: green vertical slats of (pipe cleaner? fake Xmas tree?) are in EVERY POSSIBLE VERTICAL slot of the 2-block fence.

          And this in a town that doesn’t even make construction sites maintain pedestrian safety.

          • Octavio

            Before the mormons put their temples into action they allow the unwashed masses to tour them. They started to do this primarily for showing they had nothing to hide. Now they do it more to recruit the curious. I suggest you take advantage of the opportunity to tour their temple with the radio antennae directly to god. You’ll be amazed and amused . . . but I’m sure you’ll be mostly amused. 🙂

          • pickypecker

            Once when visiting my folks in KansasCity, we went on a day trip to Liberty, MO to see Tuman’s home. My folks insisted on touring the new LDS Temple outside of Liberty. After taking us on a carefully guided tour, they sat us down in a windowless room (door closed) off to the side to ‘talk about God.’ I got up and left.

          • Octavio

            They do that. And they don’t even try to tempt you with a new set of steak knives. Cheap assholes! 🙂

          • Lumpy Gaga

            I’m just worried about whether they’re going to annex the sidewalk in front as Church property. That’s on my way to the Library, and I intend to be gay the whole trip.

          • Octavio

            It depends who they have paid off in your City offices. In SLC they bought the entire length of street and sidewalks between their church office bldg and their temple. It’s no longer possible to walk that stretch without their black-suited security forces deciding whether you are worthy or not. Several gay couples have been arrested for whatever they could be charged with when they innocently held hands or kissed each other. In all of the cases the momos have won.

          • Craig Howell

            I took that tour when the Mormons opened their Silver Spring, MD Temple back in 1977. I was mostly disappointed; everything looked too much like a Marriott Hotel lobby. The one thing I did like was a large mural showing Christ blessing all kinds of people, with the Silver Spring Temple itself in the background. I had never realized before that the Second Coming will happen at Exit 27 of the D.C. Beltway at Georgia Avenue. How convenient for all of us in the National Capital Region!

  • Zaephod Beeblebrox

    What do we expect? The Pope won’t defend us when his own Bishop calls for anti-gay ritual murder. This institution is worthless.

  • TommyTune

    How ironic that LGTB groups have been kicked out of a gathering at a church named St. John the Evangelist, after the disciple whom Jesus loved.

    One of his disciples—the ONE whom Jesus loved—was reclining next to him. (John 13:23)

    • 2karmanot

      “was reclining next to him.” That would be the Greek translation, no doubt.

  • Schlukitz

    You lay down with swine…

    You end up smelling like swine.

    • 2karmanot

      If you lay down with swine you lose the privilege of wearing pearls, not to mention the act of clutching them, when the cloven one does ya!

      • Schlukitz

        :-0

  • John Ruff

    Im gonna drive up to Phillie and egg the poop mobile

    • Zaephod Beeblebrox

      Once upon a time, the Catholic Church supported desegregation. In fact Archbishop Rummel of New Orleans excommunicated Judge Leander Perez for trying to stop Catholic Schools from desegregating. (The Catholic schools of Louisiana had South Africa-style segregation of Black, Brown, and White until the Sixties.)

      Judge Perez was so ruthless in his racism that he denied running water to a little predominantly black town, killing some of the older residents. Judge Perez used violence in to enforce segregation. He’s believed to be behind the fire bombing of a catholic grade school to stop it from opening as integrated. When he died, his hearse drove through that little black town and it was egged.

      Archbishop Rummel excommunicated Judge Perez at a risk to the archbishop’s life.

      Recently, the Louisiana Council of Catholic Bishops supported a law that would have made it legal to refuse admission to gay students to public schools.

      The Catholic Church are the new segregationists. Catholic bishops deserve to have their hearses egged.

      • John Ruff

        The Catholic Church is a domestic and international terrorist organization. Just like ISIS. Whether you ruin a gay’s life by throwing him off a five story bldg, or suppressing his civil rights, they’re all one in the same.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      We have noted your interest in attending our event.

      — Secret Service.

  • D. J.

    No comments allowed on the linked Philly.com article, yet other articles about Pope PR’s visit they allowed them….

  • jomicur

    But…but…but this pope is supposed to be making such a big difference!

    • 2karmanot

      OhMygod… that’s his mouth. Who knew?

  • KT

    I kind of feel the same way about this as I do when a Catholic school teacher is fired for getting married to a same sex partner – what the hell did you expect? Why do you line up to be abused by this Church? How many times do they have to tell you they hate you before you get the point? Its definitely a fool me once situation – I am not going to get up in arms because the Catholic Church is acting like it always does. When will these LGBT Catholic groups get a clue?

    • Chucktech

      What’s truly egregious, IMO, is when one of these teachers goes to the school administration, who already knows the story, to give them a heads up about the wedding and the administration says “OK, just try not to make it a big deal.” Then a new admministration blows into town and says “What’s this homo shit??” and then fires them.

      • TommyTune

        Did you see the movie “Love is Strange” starring John Lithgow and Alfred Molina? It was all about that.

  • kiltedyak

    Bill Donahue’s asshole is sewn up so tight he shits out his mouth

    • JCF

      Ew! But true.

  • Gene Perry

    Discrimination in the RCC? Shocking!

  • I have a few friends who cling to the dream of the Catholic Church modernizing. With every new pope they hope for a reformer. They cling to every progressive-sounding word from the current pope and do their best to ignore the immediate corrections issued by the Vatican that point out that he didn’t really mean what he just said. It’s sad really. That big change is not coming and they are perpetually disappointed. It’s like watching someone hope their crappy spouse/partner is going to change, but they never do.

    • NowAnAgnostic

      Dignity has been around for at least 35 years, and things have gotten worse instead of better.

      • Similar groups in other denominations, Integrity in the Episcopal Church in particular, have made progress, but most such groups have not.

  • rextrek1

    .as an X-Catholic, and Now an ATHEIST…..a Gay MAN, and a Philadelphian – I’m actually F’N tired of hearing about this Pope and his dammed Visit………and as someone who works downtown near all this BS…..it’s NOTHING but a HUGE Inconvenience….and I HATE to see my TAX DOLLARS USED to “beautify areas downtown” just for him………while they demonize and HIDE the Homeless during his visit……hmmm, what would Jesus do?

    • 2karmanot

      “what would Jesus do?” Well, it’s Philly after all. Mr. Jeebus would expect a clear cut of at least 10% off the top.

  • Paula

    Personally, I think the groups were naive to expect the church to go through with it.

  • Gerry Fisher

    On the one hand, I understand the concept of working for change from within an organization. On the other hand, these groups don’t appear to be “in” the organization at all. More like imploring them through a window while standing in a near-by alley. How…*dignified*?!

    • Schlukitz

      I always get a good laugh out of religious LGBT people, who like the Log Cabin Republicans, claim to be “working from within”, when it is they who are standing out in the cold freezing their cajones off and begging to be let in.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    The Arch Street location would be great, except that it’s still within the PopePerimeter (c.f. http://www.philly.com/philly/infographics/321846572.html) and the people controlling the security I/O are probably going to be told to keep an eye out for “troublemakers”.

  • 2karmanot

    “Dan Savage, the most obscene anti-Catholic in the nation.” Oh, I don’t know about that. Dan is in the good company of thousands of us who ‘hate’ that monolithic evil known as the Catholic Church. It absolutely boggles the mind that any self respecting LGTB would give a nano second’s worth of allegiance to that corrupt and hate mongering pedophile institution.

    • Schlukitz

      Much less, seeking approval and acceptance from them.

      One would have to be a total masochist to put up with that kind of abuse.

  • DisT

    Start your own church.
    Black people didn’t go to KKK rallies expecting blessings from the KKK.

    • James

      Better yet, grab some enlightenment and abandon religion all together.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Bad Catholics

  • Lumpy Gaga

    And I’m pretty sure that PNB sign is gone from the skyline, stock-photoshoppers.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    If these people were serious about security and safety, and not just photo-ops, one thing they would do is have a Pope-parade, so that the humanity who wants to see his mug can spread out along the [Parkway | Broad Street] and get to smell his garments or whatever these idolaters come for.

    But packed sardines, rock-concert-style, makes for better propaganda.

  • bkmn

    Why keep coming back for more when all they do is hit you.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      BDSM power-bottoms: “Why ask Why?”

  • caphillprof

    Perhaps they can find a Lutheran church hall.

  • ColdDesert

    I don’t understand why anyone, gay, straight, or other, would try so hard to be part of an organization that does not want you. Writing from Utah, the concept of gay mormons and gay mormon families really confuses me.

    • joe ho

      some combination of stockholm syndrome, masochism and intellecutal laziness. probably a little narcissism thrown in too–i won’t allow you to reject me!

      for people who still need their jesus fixes there are a number of lgbt-affirming denominations so the compulsion to stick with the “mean girl” versions of christianity raises questions about self-loathing.

      • Saul Farias

        Although, I no longer practice understand Family/culture has a lot to do with staying everything revolves around the church..weddings, funerals, 1st communions, baptisms, Sunday family outings; when your loving parents teach you something and you trust them it tends to stick even if hurtful. If my parents/family where assholes I would have left the church readily. But, you are correct as a mature adult I cannot support or participate in an institution that sees me as intrinsically “evil” or disordered; I believe if the gods do exist who one has relations would be irrelevant as long as no harm is done. And my nonasshole family is accepting and could careless about church “pendejdas.”

  • Duck

    Did the Archdiocese rep, Mr. Gavin, indicate that those “parish-sponsored activities” in line with Catholic teaching would include carrying out the Levitical death penalty as that is unambiguously Catholic doctrine?

  • Michael

    More end times, anti-gay “Christians” trying to bully and silence other Americans for expressing their freedom of speech and religious liberty.

  • JCF

    “Ken Gavin, spokesman for the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, said that
    administrators from the archdiocese had looked into the programming and
    provided guidance but that the final decision on use of space at St.
    John’s was made by the parish.”

    When you’ve got them by the balls (“Do what we say or we’ll close you!”), their hearts&minds will follow…

  • matt n

    this is the work of philly archbishop chaput. he’s the same guy would not allow those lesbians to enroll their child in kindergarten in a catholic school when he was bishop of denver. new ways has to speak with the jesuits about allowing them to meet with the pope at old st. joseph’s, the jesuit church downtown near the delaware river. chaput has less authority when it comes to a jesuit parish and the pope is a jesuit. go for it, new ways.

  • Ginger Snap

    I’m shocked, shocked that the RCC would say one thing and do another. It’s what I would call lying having been brought up as a catholic. I guess it’s just what religion likes to do to keep the hate and money flowing.Disgusting, every last one of the religons and their believers.

  • Gregory In Seattle

    Roman Catholics lied about being inclusive. Gee, imagine my surprise.

  • Fyva Prold

    Somebody needs to run advance screenings of Spotlight movie there.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Is the pope a pedestrian or does he just hide them and the money he owes them?

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Where are The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence when you need them?