FLORIDA: State’s First Same-Sex Couple To Marry Denied Birth Certificate Rights For Newborn Twins

The National Center for Lesbian Rights has already filed a lawsuit. Via press release:

Just days ago, Cathy Pareto and Karla Arguello—the first same-sex couple to be married in Florida—celebrated the birth of their twin son and daughter. But the couple’s joy was soon mixed with fear and frustration when the hospital denied Cathy the right to add her name to the children’s birth certificates. Almost a year since Florida’s marriage ban was declared unconstitutional, the Florida Bureau of Vital Statistics is still refusing to allow hospitals to list both same-sex parents on their baby’s birth certificate. Today, Cathy and Karla, who were lead plaintiffs in Florida’s marriage lawsuit, are joining two other married same-sex couples in a federal lawsuit challenging Florida’s refusal to issue them accurate birth certificates listing both spouses as parents of their children. Equality Florida, the largest organization representing lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Floridians, is also a plaintiff in the case. “Attorney General Pam Bondi could have avoided yet another costly lawsuit by directing all state agencies to simply comply with the law. Instead she turned her back on repeated requests to take action,” said Nadine Smith, Executive Director of Equality Florida. “Birth certificates are the first official document that represent a new born baby’s family. Having an inaccurate birth certificate hinders parents’ ability to take care of their child and access important legal benefits and protections. Denying our families this is not only spiteful and harmful, it is illegal.” The other couples in the lawsuit are Debbie and Kari Chin of St. Petersburg and Yadira Arenas and Alma Vezquez of Winter Haven. The plaintiffs are represented by the National Center for Lesbian Rights (NCLR) and Florida attorneys Mary Meeks and Elizabeth Schwartz.

And you thought we’d heard the end of Pam Bondi.

  • oikos

    Just more outrageous bigotry that needs to be slapped down and hard.

    • RoFaWh

      The way to slap it down hard? Just let one judge impose stiff punitive monetary damages on the state. Start at $1 million in this case, and double it in every successive case until Florida and its AG discover that the cumulative fines are carving a real hole in the state’s budget.

      Personal damages against the AG for acting beyond her authority might also have some interesting side effects.

      • oikos

        I want to see personal damages. These haters don’t care as long as they aren’t personally liable. I’ll bet things would change quickly if they were.

        • Ron Robertson

          Send her to prison. Going against another person’s rights this way ought to be an imprisonable offense.

        • gaymex

          I totally agree. They’re always hiding behind something…the bible, taxpayer money, their own stupidity, their lack of ethics and morality…it’s always something.

          • oikos

            As long as they aren’t from Fort Lee, NJ. 🙂

          • Eric in Oakland

            “I totally agree. They’re always hiding behind something…the bible, taxpayer money, their own stupidity, their lack of ethics and morality…it’s always something.”


          • FleshyLighty

            How bout that taxpayer money used to abort up to 400 LGBTQI fetuses a day? Your faux outrage is as hilarious as Gilda Radner. It’s like homosexuals are always hiding behind ‘choice’ and ‘born that way’…for those that are ‘chosen’ to be born that is.

          • oikos

            You said it. Those fetuses are just that. Not people until they are born, just blastocysts We on the other hand are living breathing human beings that were born, hence we were born that way. Also if you’re going to claim taxpayer money is used you better have a citation from the GAO or CBO otherwise you’re full of shit.

          • garyschor

            Taxpayer money isn’t used for abortion. This is just nonsense.

          • Women’s Rights > Fetus Rights

            Oddly, LGBTQIs do not condone the rape and forced ‘breeding’ of any woman, no matter the gender identity of the fetus she’s carrying.

            Why do ‘christian’ men support the rape and forced imprisonment of women?

            Women have rights. Fetuses do not.

        • JT

          She should be charged with contempt of court and disbarred.

      • 10_39

        Unfortunately, levying heavy fines on the state probably would NOT dissuade the Florida Republicans who lead the state and apparently view public monies as their very own legal defense funds. Rick Scott was just found guilty of violating Florida open records laws, and taxpayers are now on the hook for $700,000+ for his defense.

        Pam Bondi also does not care about the little people, including taxpayers. For example, prior to the 2014 election, she postponed a scheduled prisoner execution because it conflicted with one of her campaign fundraisers.

        Also, here is a local newspaper running a poll on whether or not retailers should be allowed to refuse service to gays: http://www.news-journalonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage?tc=ar

        So far, the good guys are losing. Sad.

        • oikos

          You should send this to Joe.

          • David L. Caster

            That is your best avatar BTW, certainly my favorite anyway.

          • oikos

            Thanks I just changed back to pubie jeezi again.

        • Chucktech

          Look again. I just voted, we’re ahead 61% to 39%

          • FleshyLighty

            When Hillary breaks the law she always gets a pass. Dead Americans under her watch as SoS? REPUBLICANS AND YOUTUBE ARE EXCLUSIVELY TO BLAME!! We all know just how lopsided liberal politics are. It’s only for thee and not for me attitude. So sad you can’t live by the standards in which you endorse. You can only get away with that for so long until everyone see’s you’re worse than those you are against.

          • oikos
      • fuow

        Yeah, but make it $1 Million/Day, beginning with the day they broke the law.

        • FleshyLighty

          Democrats can make $1 Million/Day and it’s totes cool you guys! Ask Harry Reid to rail against the Koch brothers since that’s the only boner he is able to get at his age. Otherwise he is to busy explaining how George Soros’ billions are good and the Koch brothers are bad and claims ideology has nothing to do with it. mmhhmm

          • oikos


          • David L. Caster

            One word: perspective. It can be had for free you know.

      • Xuuths

        I don’t believe she can be sued personally for things done in an official capacity.

    • JockWearer

      Our legal system wasn’t setup to recognize children from 3-parent conception? The shock and horror of it all given that until 8 weeks ago parents were legally able to be defined as a “mother” and “father”. I never knew a piece of paper hindered gay parents. All the gay parents I know never had that problem, they ignored what a piece of paper said and went with their heart. I guess SCOTUS changed more than they let on.

      • oikos

        Yes, I’m sure they ignored it when faced with medical and legal decisions. Just as I’m sure you know lots of gay parents.

      • MattM

        If you’re so proud of your opinions, why is your disqus profile private? What are you trying to hide, troll?

      • MattM

        Are you and FleshyLighty the same person? You both came out of nowhere and don’t have disqus profiles. And you both make the same insane rants.

        You must have a lot of free time on your hands. Lord knows you’re not getting laid.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    There’s always more Pam Bondi.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      She’s the bimbo that keeps on bimbing.

  • Octavio

    The Bondi Bimbo strikes again! It’s time to revoke her membership in the human race.

    • Bad Tom

      It appears she voluntarily gave up her humanity some time ago.

  • Rex

    Tax payers should be enraged at the total waste of money spent on avoiding the inevitable.

    • Most of us are. The problem is that many of the angry people didn’t show up to vote against Scott and Bondi in the last election.

      • David L. Caster

        That’s one of my big beefs with progressives—they can be a lazy lot.

  • Trevor Brown

    Have the hospital staff seized and imprisoned.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Actually, TFA says that hospital staff are following state guidelines.

      • Todd20036

        Well whoopee. Guess that whole US Constitution thingy doesn’t apply to Floridumb.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Welcome to Reconstruction. Who will make our century’s “Birth of a (Separatist) Nation”? When will OUR story finally be told??

    • Gustav2

      Just take the Fed money away.

      • HadenoughBS

        I thought there were federal rules in place regarding discriminatory actions and the sexual orientation of patients and family members for hospitals accepting federal funds.

        • Gustav2

          I think those regs are about access to someone who is married or has power of attorney. I don’t know if this is covered.

      • FleshyLighty

        Just like they should take Fed $ away from Planned Parenthood. Margaret Sanger got Germany to embrace eugenics during WWII and we know how far they took that. African-American’s are disproportionately affected by Planned Parenthood. Oops, forgot, you’re not allowed to speak any kind of truth AND be a homosexual. Good thing I already know that homosexuals don’t accept anyone for who they like they espouse but who they sell themselves to be on the outside.

        • Trevor Brown

          Actually African-Americans ARE “disproportionately” effected by Planned Parenthood because African-American women are more likely to be poor and thus need the healthcare that PP provides. Note: no federal money goes toward funding abortion which is what you are implying.

        • Trevor Brown

          Also the term is: Gay, not “homosexual”

        • Veylon

          Ought we also to do away with the Interstate Highway System because it was inspired by Hitler’s Autobahn? Should we stop saying the pledge of allegiance because it was penned by a socialist? Do we need to get rid of heathen Arabic numerals? Let’s try to be practical, here.

    • John Masters

      It’s not the Hospital…it is the Division of Vital Statistics of the Department of Health. Contact the office of Surgeon General and Secretary of Health John C. Armstrong, MD at 850-245-4444…hit number 9 when the system starts prompting. It should be noted that Armstrong was actually one of the appellants in the Bondi’s suit to keep the marriage amendment.

    • Tulle

      Just spoke with them and they told me they are working on getting it resolved. I tokd them that I was tired that they were wasting millions of dollars on this shit, while the local hospital does not have enough money to cover the uninsured that fall into the gap cause by the state not taking the Medicaid expansion money.
      I guess wait and see what happens next.

  • ChrisInKansas

    Jesus. Just how many courts does it take for people to learn to follow the fucking law???

    • Blake Jordan

      Fiscal responsibility be damned when it comes to punishing LGBTs for existing…

    • John Masters

      It’s Florida, so there may likely be some obscure law that actually governs this, and the recent SCOTUS ruling, depending on how the law is worded, may very well have no baring. Like many states, we have a number of odd ball laws the Legislature refuses to take off the books. Like Florida Statute 798.02, which failed to be removed despite three or four attempts. That particular law, by the way, makes Ms. Bondi a scofflaw. “Lewd and lascivious behavior.—If any man and woman, not being married to each other, lewdly and lasciviously associate and cohabit together, or if any man or woman, married or unmarried, engages in open and gross lewdness and lascivious behavior, they shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.” I love cruel twist that it applies only to straight couples. Demand that Hillsborough County’s Sheriff enforce the law, and issue Ms. Bondi a citation.

      • fuow

        No, Supreme Court rulings trump every state law.

        • John Masters

          You are correct fuow, but the Obergfell ruling said that gay people can get married. It didn’t pass judgement on rules related to who are and are not parents. Court rulings are very specific. That ruling might inform future rulings, when this new case gets to the Supreme Court (if it does), but Obergfell only overturned Florida’s Constitutional Amendment and law stating that marriage was only between one man and one woman.

          • sfbob

            Actually I believe such things as birth certificates, changing names on drivers licenses, allowing for joint filing taxes, fall under the heading of “recognition” or else under the heading of “incidents of marriage,” the first was covered in Obergefell and the second would follow logically from the ruling. Since the non-childbearing spouse is normally listed as the father unless there is some direct evidence or statement to the contrary, any spouse, regardless of gender, would have to be recognized as the second parent.

          • John Masters

            I agree it should be that way sfbob, but I suspect they have some obscure law here in Florida they are relying on to create this mess. I’ve been unable to get call backs from any of the agencies to get an explanation of what law they are relying on.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Spite and sadism.

    • Blake Jordan

      Basically describes “loving” christianists!!!

      • Bad Tom

        Taking it out on newborn infants and their parents.
        It takes a special kind of person to do that.

        • FleshyLighty

          At least they didn’t abort them. Most homosexuals would say that would have been the right choice to make since having kids effectively ends the fun in the gay community. It takes a special kind of hateful person to disregard a fetus as a human being but then gets all self-righteous about a birth certificate. You don’t see the tragic irony?

          • David L. Caster

            You really need to get over yourself. And stay on topic if that’s within your capacity to do. Your remark is not only way off base for the present discussion, your attempt to link it to abortion is offensive and clearly wrong-headed.

          • MattM

            I don’t see any irony. Because fetuses aren’t babies. But who needs science when you have feelings, right troll?

          • JCF
          • Bad Tom

            Then why do so many gay couples raise children? Many adopt the kids that were cast off by straight couples. Actual, born, kids.

            Indeed, when have you ever heard of two men aborting a pregnancy? Or two women? Folks that plan to have kids don’t need or want to stop the pregnancy.

            Having a correct birth certificate has real consequences for real kids, and their parents.

    • sbd

      Which is exactly what it takes for Bondi to get off.

  • MattM

    When you rearrange the letters of Pam Bondi, you get I PANT BOMD. What does that mean? Nothing. It’s irrelevant gibberish, just like Pam Bondi’s moral convictions/religious opinions.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      I PANT BOMD once after a fruit smoothie bought from a truck.

    • Ray Taylor

      D’paint mob

  • Silver Badger

    Perhaps it is time that Ms. Bondi be given a personal interest in such proceedings. I’m sure she would be happy to have her paycheck garnished to help pay for the law suits she is causing.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Far better to get preggers with her xth husband and be denied a proper Birth Certificate.

  • joe ho

    don’t worry, christer bigots, we’re ready for you! your shit is getting mighty old!

    “we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.”

  • Blake Jordan

    Oh for the sake of fuck!!!

    They will continue to screw us in every way possible, as long as they can.

    • Chucktech

      Fine. We will fight, we will win, and we will endure. Count on it.

      • David L. Caster

        It’s just so tiresome though. Criminy.

  • TommyTune

    Dammit! It’s like pulling teeth with these people. They’re just not going to budge one inch, all while kicking and screaming. How utterly tedious they are.

    • MDB

      I’ve commented previously that it must be absolutely EXHAUSTING, remembering every day…. ALL the people you HATE !!!

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Not really. There’s an app for that.

        • MDB

          THAT was funny ! Always much needed when dealing with extreme douchebag assholery. 🙂

  • MDB

    I sincerely hope (not really) that the hospital has good lawyers and a very large insurance policy to cover their leegle-eegle asses ! Fucking douchebags !!!

    • Reality.Bites

      It appears to be state policy, not the hospital’s.

      • Gustav2

        The real question is why Florida is so happy to pay our attorneys’ fees?

        • Chucktech

          But then, when the time comes to pry open the checkbook, they bitch. Just don’t understand…

      • Bill_Perdue

        This is a matter for working LGBT folks to discuss.

  • Michael Smith

    It’s a good thing that small government conservatives are in charge of Florida. Can you imagine how much money would be wasted on defending these lawsuits if those tax and spend liberals were in charge?

    • Harley

      So you think a government that interferes with a couples privacy and spy’s on people in the bedroom is small government. You are twisted. A small government is one that leaves you alone. There would be no lawsuit if the liberals were in charge. Go back to breitbart and comment over there you troll.

      • Michael Smith

        Uh.. It was sarcasm.

      • Diogenes Onionpants

        We’ve definitely picked up a few wackjob trolls, as the above thread shows (because why wouldn’t a rational person use a story about parental rights in Florida to rail about George Soros?), but Michael Smith was making a point about Republican hypocrisy by demonstrating the contradictions in their attacks on Democrats. Given the looniness of some of the trolling going on in this thread, though, it’s not surprising that you’d develop a sensitivity to it. It’s like a rash from over-exposure to The Crazy.

  • Patrick

    Oh Pam. Ain’t you tired?

    • Lumpy Gaga

      You look it…

  • LovesIrony

    I hope they sue the state and get so much money in damages.


  • joe ho

    i pretty much agree with jeremy hooper. as annoying as these spiteful rearguard attempts at bigotry are, now that we have marriage equality the law of the land, they don’t arouse the same level of alarm and outrage as before.

    • John Masters

      If you were these parents, you might feel a little different.

      • joe ho

        i’m not implying that we shouldn’t fight back vigorously or let our guard down.

        but something has changed.

        now we’re pretty much assured that it won’t take too much time to beat back bigoted nonsense like this. before there was much more uncertainty about the outcome.

    • Circ09

      The danger there is when all of this is kept out of mainstream attention. Like the number of people that don’t realize an LGBT person can be fired or refused a house or the ability to use a bathroom.

      • joe ho

        i agree on the employment and housing issue.

        but on the marriage and adoption issue, it’s pretty much settled. just wiping up pockets of resistance.

    • Hue-Man

      They are the hook to engage in the ENDA, housing, services discussion – mainstream media may pick up a story about horrible government denying cute babies their rights but the more important anti-discrimination work is not nearly as photogenic.

  • John Masters

    For the record, Ms Bondi is quite the scofflaw already. She is living in sin with a man to whom she is not married in direct violation of Florida General Statute, 798.02 “Lewd and lascivious behavior.—If any man and woman, not being married to each other, lewdly and lasciviously associate and cohabit together, or if any man or woman, married or unmarried, engages in open and gross lewdness and lascivious behavior, they shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.” A number of attempts have been made to rescind this law, but always fail. So it’s clear, the intention of the Legislature is to see that the law is enforced. If you live in Hillsborough County, you should demand the Sheriff or Tampa police issue a citation for her. (In an ironic twist of fate, notice the law applies only to straight couples.)

    • 2karmanot

      How’about a lascivious Tw*t tax?

      • FlesyLighty

        That tax is already levied against Rosie O’Donnell and Jane Lynch in the form of outrageous alimony payments.

  • Circ09

    I’ve never understood the race to the bottom competition Florida has with Texas.

    • Gustav2

      First it starts with no state income tax.

    • 2karmanot

      Think of it this way, based on geographic outline alone. Texas is the assh*le of America and Florida a dick.

      • People4Humanity

        That combo sounds kinda gay. Jus’ sayin’.

      • So does that make Louisiana, Mississippi and a wee portion of Alabama the taint?

    • clay

      Mississippi and Kansas are pulling the same bullshit.

  • BobSF_94117

    This is one of those issues where I’d be perfectly happy if they upended the whole system and pursued the point our opponents say they’re fighting for: the right of every child to know who his/her biological parents are. So no more making assumptions based on the marriage of the mother. From now on, mandatory DNA testing at birth. And, just to be fair, retroactive testing of all kids, starting with those of, say, governors. Heck, let’s start with the Bushes!

    Let the hilarity ensue.

    • Circ09

      I could have sworn I read about a long going study that concluded going back multiple decades something like almost a quarter of children have different biological fathers than listed on the birth certificate. I wish I had saved it. Anyone here know what I am talking about?

    • Stev84

      It’s really the name “birth certificate” that’s a misnomer. It started out as as that, but it turned into a “certificate of parenting” long ago.

      But given things like hereditary diseases, knowing the genetic parents is certainly a good thing.

      • BobSF_94117

        It’s more of a certificate of “parental responsibility”, much to the chagrin of the parents of some teens…

    • Veylon

      I’m for children – or somebody – knowing who the biological parents are. There are a whole host of potentially inheritable genetic diseases that need dealing with. Writing somebody else’s name there is counterproductive.

      Maybe – since forms are needed of changing anyway – this is a time to openly separate whose genes the kid is getting and who is going to responsible for them.

      • BobSF_94117

        A sensible approach the heterosexuals will never agree to.

      • garyschor

        Adopted parents go on the birth certificate. The birth certificate defines legal parentage, not biological. The biological record is another matter.

  • Ninja0980

    Keep in mind for both Republicans and Democrats, the AG’s office is merely a stepping stone to higher office like Congress, Governor or Senate.
    If she was to make any aspect of life for LGBT people in Florida easier, it would hurt her in a primary.
    Bottom line, expect her to continue to be a bigoted bitch and for us to have to fight for equal rights in FL and elsewhere.
    Our fight for equality isn’t over, not by a long shot.

    • David L. Caster

      The barriers that Bondi and her ilk attempt to erect create an opportunity for progressives to pounce and they should. It’s time to expose the bigots for what they are and use that as a political weapon against them. Intelligent messaging is needed to communicate the harms that the likes of Bondi are causing.

  • chris james

    Pam Blondi need to get her ass fired, but I am sure she can get a job working for Faux News since they already seem to have a dozen just like her.

  • sword

    I hope they are awarded enough punitive damages to set up college funds for both kids.

    • billbear1961

      Hear, hear!!

  • Bill_Perdue

    The fight for marriage equality in all its ramifications is mainly a fight for working class LGBT folks. That’s why Democrats refused to repeal their own DOMA. They’re a party of and for the rich.

    That fight deserves our full support as does the fight for an end to discrimination, another little item the Democrats have refused to enact for the last 40 or so years.

  • RLK2

    Sue them, sue the Kentucky piece of shit, and force them to comply. Enough of this BS!

  • Tony Prost

    Nothing is ever over.

  • anne marie in philly

    bondi bitch needs to be fired!

  • TexPlant

    this looks like a slam dunk for the parents

  • Marc

    Oh for fuck’s sake.

  • billbear1961

    I thought things were settled in Florida–that they were ready to fully comply with the LAW!

    I can’t believe this!

    Will it ever STOP?!

    Sue the SHIT out of the state!!

  • JCF

    What an adorable family. Feck the fecking bigots!