SWITZERLAND: Gay Group Sues Catholic Bishop Vitus Huonder For “Death To Gays” Statement

Gay Star News reports:

A Swiss bishop is being sued for allegedly claiming gay men should be put to death. Pink Cross, the Swiss Gay Federation, is filing a criminal complaint against Vitus Huonder, the Catholic Bishop of Chur, for reportedly making homophobic comments while quoting passages from the Bible. In his 50-minute address in Germany on 31 July, he cited the usual passage about how homosexuality is an ‘abomination’. For those unfamiliar with Leviticus 20:13, it reads: ‘If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.’. He then said, to applause: ‘Both of these passages alone suffice to clarify unambiguously the church’s position on homosexuality’. Pink Cross has accused Huonder of ‘inciting people to crimes’ and filed a criminal lawsuit against the bishop today (10 August). If he is found guilty, he faces up to three years in prison.

Sanctions against hate speech made on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity were approved by Switzerland’s national legislature in March 2015.

  • Blake Jordan

    Poor bishop, he is being oppressed…
    Is religious freedom gone, when you cannot call for the execution of the segment of the population…

  • Skokieguy

    Hooray! When will this happen in the US? Paster Semen-Latte? The California lawyer who wants to put citizen executions of gays up to a vote?

    I REALLY want to see “sincerely held religious beliefs” put up the legal scrutiny of our court system, [ and don’t forget Miss-4-time-married prissy-pants court clerk who can’t possibly issue a marriage license to a same sex couple because Jeebus]

    • David L. Caster

      Unlikely in the US. Religion and its preachings are doubly protected by the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution.

      • Chucktech

        But Skokieguy is spot on about having “sincerely held religious beliefs” argued in a court of law when it’s really nothing more than a smokescreen for fag hating.

        • David L. Caster

          Totally no argument here, and I think that will eventually happen. SCOTUS has already signalled that it won’t save a Christianist if they try to flout public accommodations laws.

        • Skokieguy

          And what make the steam pour from my ears, in the Hobby Lobby case, the SCOTUS did not challenge the corporation’s beliefs. They did not have to demonstration or prove “sincerity”, yet on the basis of merely stated claim of belief, we have changed nationwide policy, impacting millions of Americans.

          I should not be allowed to own a pitchfork

          • People4Humanity
          • Tor

            Ooh. It’s an artisanal pitchfork!

          • Don’t you just love masterful handwork?

          • Phil2u

            Nothing like it (wink, wink)

          • Merv99

            The silver lining is that the ruling was based on statute, so can theoretically be overturned at some point by repealing the law, even if that’s currently politically impractical. Honestly, RFRA was a horrible idea from the beginning, so I’m not at all surprised something like this happened. The ACLU and Democrats blew it big time by supporting the legislation at the time.

        • RoFaWh

          Irrational fag hating, at that.

        • Peter Wde

          Hate speech = protected speech

      • Skokieguy

        However an incitement to riot is not protected. Remember the protester in Ferguson a year ago who jumped on a car and yelled “Burn this mutherfucker down”? He was arrested and jailed.

        • David L. Caster

          Eventually, one of the Jeebus Freaks will do just that and they will find themselves clapped in the clink. Then the Christianists will really start to scream.

          • Chucktech

            Can’t wait!

          • Peter Wde

            Hope you’ve got lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots etc……………of patience.

    • StraightGrandmother

      Thanks for reminding us about Holier Than Thou, 4 times married clerk.
      If I am not mistaken I think that ruling comes down this week.

    • Peter Wde

      Never, 1A forbids this kind of state-sponsored bullying.

    • JT
  • popebuck1

    How long until the evangelicals pick up on this and start shouting it everywhere – “Bishop ARRESTED for quoting the Bible on gays!” – while leaving out the crucial details that it was in Switzerland and he was sued, not arrested.

    My over/under is 48 hours.

    • Rambie

      I was going to say less than 24hours. They’ll of course not mention it’s out of the country and that the 1st Amendment doesn’t count, can’t let facts get in the way of a good smear piece.

    • StraightGrandmother

      Actually if you read the article, the Bishop said that in Germany.
      So I wonder if the gay rights group has venue?

      • ChrisMorley

        The detailed account of what actually happened is at this Swiss news site (in English) that Joe found previously http://www.swissinfo.ch
        to that addresss root add /eng/homophobia_catholic-bishop-in–death-to-gays–storm/41582320

        I have now found the Swiss law on Incitment. It is Article 259 of the Swiss Penal Code (Schweizerisches Strafgesetzbuch) https://www.admin.ch
        to that add /opc/de/classified-compilation/19370083/index.html#a259
        I don’t think this will allow the Bishop to be prosecuted in Switzerland for what he said in Germany, because incitment abroad is only a crime if it is to genocide, see: (1bis)
        Google translate:
        1 Who asks public to commit a crime, shall be punished with imprisonment up to three years or a fine.
        1bis The public provocation to commit genocide (Art. 264), to be committed in whole or in part, in Switzerland, is also punishable if the invitation [was made] abroad.

        If I was Pink Cross I would make my complaint to the German Public Prosecutor. In the German Criminal Code
        “§ 111 of the German StGB punishes the “öffentliche Aufforderung zu Straftaten” and provides that whoever publicly, in an assembly or through
        the distribution of writings invites others to commit a crime, is punished on equal terms with an instigator” – see page numbered 44 here: http://www.geneva-academy.ch
        To that add /docs/memoires/memoire_timmermann.pdf
        I can’t figure how to post a working weblink in this WordPress blog.

        • StraightGrandmother

          Hey you did a lot of work on this, thanks.
          I dunno, is it genocide when you call for putting to death an entire group of people? Sounds kinda like genocide to me.

          Again thank you for your work. I am sure others will appreciate this detail.

          • ChrisMorley

            I’ve been trying to answer these questions myself since the bishop first launched into us and your question about venue gave me the incentive to find the answer.
            Genocide has a tight definition under International law – it’s about inciting the extermination of peoples, from the Holocaust. The Russians just last month blocked an international attempt at the UN to condemn the massacre of the 8000 Muslim boys and men at Srebrenica. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki to that add /Srebrenica_massacre#2015_Russia_vetoes_UN_resolution
            It would be an internationally contentious legal stretch for genocide to now include LGBT people, and it would be a struggle to persuade a Swiss or German court that the bishop’s words were an incitment to his listeners to kill us. He’d claim he was simply talking about god’s judgment on gay sex.

        • Stev84

          §130 of the German Criminal Code is commonly used for things like this:
          http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p1241
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksverhetzung
          That’s the German version of hate speech laws

          §111 is really a stretch

          • ChrisMorley

            Thank you for that, Steve.
            Careful reading of §130 seems to show that LGBT people aren’t specifically protected, either by subsection 1 or 2, unless German courts treat LGBT people as included under “segments of the population”. http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p1241
            Has the bishop just got away with it?

          • Stev84

            I’m not sure if this is the correct interpretation, but the way I read it, there are two groups:
            1.) Groups explicitly protected in all cases
            2.) All other distinct groups of people

            It would be up to a court to determine whether LGBTs are covered under that. Apparently this was changed pretty recently because of EU law. Before that, it didn’t cover specific groups at all. So the intend clearly can’t be to exclude groups not explicitly listed.

            And like in Switzerland, someone needs to officially report this to the authorities. They don’t act on their own.

    • Ben in Oakland

      Actually, it was in Fulda, GERMANY. I suspect this suit will go nowhere.

      • ChrisMorley

        Pink Cross need to complain to the German Public Prosecutor, then they are in with a chance under § 111 of the German criminal code.

    • Tor

      You know he’s already been thrown into jail, and into solitary confinement, at that, and his fine is a hundred gazillion dollars.

    • vorpal

      I would suggest we write one, but unlike them, we tend to be civilized, decent people and not bloodthirsty, irate, hypocritical savages.

      • Mcflyer54

        Please add that to our gay agenda.

        • vorpal

          Since we’re already ahead of schedule and have successfully and completely destroyed marriage and the family, and are well on our way to abolishing Christianity and silencing Christians, and have made good inroads to teaching nursery school kids all about the best ways to have anal sex, I suppose we can afford to tack another goal or two on!

          • David Walker

            I hope the writing committee is fluent in Shakespeare speak, or at least better than Joseph Smith was.

          • vorpal

            I can’t imagine that it’s hard to be a better writer than some dude who calls his cult the “Mormons” and doesn’t see the possibilities for insult in that.

  • StraightGrandmother

    In his 50-minute address in Germany on 31 July, he cited the usual passage about how homosexuality is an ‘abomination’.

    Hmm, since the incident took place in Germany I wonder if some gay rights groups in Germany couldn’t start an action there.

    • D. J.

      I don’t think Germany currently has laws similar to those in Canada and Switzerland regarding hate speech, ITIR, unfortunately.

      • Stev84

        It does:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksverhetzung

        But it doesn’t explicitly cover sexual orientation. So a court would have to determine that the law also covers that. It might the way I understand the law, but suing him in Switzerland is smarter.

        • D. J.

          Thank you for clarifying that.

    • They could, but he is not a German citizen. Moreover, he derives his authority from being the bishop of a diocese in Switzerland. Where he laid himself wide open was not so much in citing the Bible but in his claim that in demanding the death penalty for homo-sexuals he was speaking on behalf of the Universal Church.

  • VodkaAndPolitics

    As gross as this guy is, I’m not so sure you can sue a cleric for quoting the bible.

    • Skokieguy

      Quoting the bible is one thing, encouraging people to take action is another. The bible often calls for death, stoning, rape, etc., To encourage people to take part in these behaviors seems to me is legally actionable.

  • Will

    Three long years in prison with some nice, strapping and horny inmates for friends might change his mind about homosexuality completely.

  • D. J.

    How will Pope PR-I spin this?

    • David L. Caster

      Francis will just quietly send Huonder a note telling him to be quiet for a while and lay low until this blows over.

      • Chucktech

        Really. After all, this is Europe, and they don’t exactly have herds of priests in backlog that they can just cavalierly discard an otherwise perfectly good one…

  • RobynWatts

    Bet this guy is a hypocrite in that he wears mixed fabrics, or has ate pork or shellfish. Sue the asshole!

    • bkmn

      How many times has he officiated at a wedding of people who have been divorced?

      • Chucktech

        If he KNEW they were previously married, he’s goin’ straight to hell along with the spouses.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        If they purchased their annulments from him (and his annulments ain’t cheap), they’re good to go.

    • McSwagg

      Mmmmm …. bacon wrapped shrimp !!!!!

  • joe ho

    the bible needs to be printed with a skull and crossbones on the cover.

    it’s as dangerous as rat poison.

    • Chucktech

      Actually, rat poison can be put to good use. The Bible? Not so much…

    • Sk3ptic

      It should be kept in the fiction section of the bookstore. Walmart tried that once a couple of years ago, allegedly by accident, but once the fundies found out, they went ballistic.
      A warning from the Surgeon General would be a great improvement.

      • vorpal

        I think it was actually Costco, but the LOLs over their apoplexy was epic!

    • gaymex

      Do I need to call the Poison Control Center? My child has just ingested three verses from Deuteronomy and a complete chapter of Levitcus. Her eyes are glowing red and ink is running down her chin. Help.
      There was blood coming out of her eyes. There was blood coming out of her …wherever.

      • BudClark

        I saw what you did there.

  • bkmn

    Those who yell “fire” the loudest often started the fire themselves. This guy gives me the same vibe of being a major closet case just like his bud former Archbishop Lie-Instead of MN.

    • Mcflyer54

      I’ve long believe that the phony “war on Christians” was made up (by Christians) in an effort to gain support and martyr status. Nothing would make these bible thumpers happier than a full on affront to their presumed boundless “religious freedoms” but I have to think that, while this might be what they strive for, they just might not be all that happy with the results.

      • If centuries of history are any guide, they certainly wouldn’t be.

  • delk

    Do not go about spreading slander among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life. I am the LORD.

    Leviticus 19:16

    • LonelyLiberal

      But that’s hard! Hating people who don’t do what I do is so much easier!

    • bkmn

      Can you remind Tony Duggar Perkins of that passage?

      • grada3784

        He;d be upset that one of “them” was living in the neighborhood.

    • Chucktech

      Jesus, the LORD certainly is a kill joy, ain’t He?

      • vorpal

        Emphasis on the kill.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Exactly. For ALL the Joys, halleluiahs, and praze bees I sure don’t see what they’re all jumpin up and down about.

          • vorpal

            They have a Totally Legitimate Holy Book® that says so many contradictory things that they can pick exactly what they want out of it to make them feel better than everyone else while also basically feeling like it gives them a big blessed pat on the back and a “well done!” for their angry hatred of others.

            What’s not to like?

          • Mcflyer54

            Cafeteria Christians – only put on your tray those things with which you agree. Perfectly acceptable to ignore all the other “goodies”.

          • vorpal

            …all while scraping off any component that isn’t exactly to their liking. It’s a like a child who refuses to eat mushrooms, only with less maturity and more obstinacy.

          • BudClark

            Yeah, like lending money at interest.

      • Christopher
    • Herald

      Oh please! You must surely know that is one of those pesky Old Testament Laws that no longer apply when it a christianist is screaming hate at _____ (insert whatever group is the hate crusade of the month).

      • Mcflyer54

        It’s truly amazing how that Old Testament seems to have so many “exceptions” for so many Christians. They pick and choose as they wander through their Bible – totally ignoring those things with which cannot abide.

    • Mcflyer54

      Did you forget that you cannot use their Bible against them? The Bible is for their personal use only.

    • Eric in Oakland

      Unfortunately, when it uses the words “your people” and “neighbour” it only means “other Jews”.

      • Yes, and that is where JC was radical, in redefining “neighbour” to mean “your fellow man”, or words to that effect. “A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho . . . ” (Luke 10: 25 – 37)

  • Bill_Perdue
    • Chucktech

      Tax and prosecute? Abso-fucking-lutely. Persecute? No.

      • Bill_Perdue

        Who deserves it more. ‘Religious liberty’ is just an excuse for bigotry.

  • okay Francis, here’s your opportunity to replace this clown playing dress up and scaring gay kids to death.
    and by the way Joe, nice digs, glad you didn’t choose the white carpet.

  • Jan Wesselius

    Hate the sin, love the sinner. Just kill them all and you don’t have to worry about hating the sin. Perfect logic, for a psychopath.

  • gaymex

    On my daily hike to the market for fresh fruit and vegetables I came upon a beautiful stone that seemed to glow from within…beneath it was a smashed Corona bottle and upon the remaining label was written in Mayan hieroglyphs a complicated message which roughly translated into “All Christians should be stoned to death when they spread a message of hate.” I was shocked. Ahead of me were more stones,as far as the eye could see, all glowing that mysterious and spiritual light from within–lifting each stone revealed the same message over and over and each was signed “Sky Father–Big Daddy of all life that is, was and will ever be.”
    I am at a spiritual crossroads. Am I supposed to use the stones to fulfill the prohesy on the beer label? I am afraid as I approach a cathedral, windows bulging against the spewing hate within. What to do?

    • Octavio

      Be on the look out for golden salamanders!

      • gaymex

        I am ROTFLMAO. Truly funny.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Are those the ones that get you high when you lick them?

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          { Adds to bucket list }

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      It appears you have been ” chosen “.

      • gaymex

        …and I accept the honor with a timid heart but with the brave and unflinching soul of a mama grizzly. There’s work to do.

    • Mcflyer54

      Joseph Smith I presume? Must we all now wear funny underwear?

      • gaymex

        The advice from my stones is: Go Commando. It gives your salamander more room to wiggle if someone wants to lick it to get high.

      • BudClark

        Mor(m)on underwear is HAUT … particularly when it’s HAUT Mormon missionaries ripping them off in haste.

  • oikos
    • Todd20036

      He is quite hot in a bohemian sort of way

      • medaka

        And such an ally. His Xmas White Wine song still gets to me….

      • oikos

        Not my type, but more for you. 🙂

        • vorpal

          Everyone is getting a new user icon today, it seems like!
          Every time I try, I get yelled at by my JMG favourites :-).

          • People4Humanity

            I’ll tell your pussy!

          • oikos

            You should use whatever you like since you can’t make everyone happy. 🙂

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Don’t even THINK it !

            (Butt, If you rilly rilly want to, there is an approval process available, but it is long and drawn out, because those of us on the committee tend to be more interested in drinking, as well as the penis. )

          • vorpal

            I’m all for accepting available long, drawn out processes when drinking and penis are concerned.

            How can I initiate?

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Per your request, I have sent out the form to the address we have on file.
            Remember to include PICS.
            *Please allow 600-800 weeks for delivery.

          • vorpal

            Screw you, Big Brother!
            Certainly, there must be a way to get an expedited quickie in?
            I will buck the system and stand tall and erect before the man!

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            You had me at ” Screw “.

            But since you went on, I will tell you that standing tall and erect is one thing, but past experience tells me that kneeling humbly, yet eagerly will certainly put a fast rush on your request.
            I hope these are terms you can swallow.

          • vorpal

            When I meet a true master (or just plain need to suck up), I am happy to humbly kneel and prostrate myself before him.

            At that point, though, I want to thoroughly engulf the task at hand, take it slow, enjoy experiencing the progression, and appreciate it in its entirety.

            I am confident that you will find my cooperative, willing nature to be most gratifying, or I will continue to meet your challenge until I cause you to overshoot on your needs.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            ( you have mail )

          • BudClark

            Didn’t any of y’all get LAID this weekend???!!!

          • People4Humanity

            OK, you two!

  • Mcflyer54

    Vitus Huonder, sounds like a social disease. Or maybe an anti-social disease.

  • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

    This is precisely the lawsuit that the religious right has been dreading (or anticipating). Because, after all, the bishop did read exactly what is in the Bible, at least in most translations. So this is going to get interesting.

    [Just to be fair, one could also do this with passages from the Talmud and the Koran]

    • Mcflyer54

      But where is acknowledgment and agreement among the Christians when people point out the penalty for adultery is death (Lev. 20:10). Oh that’s right, they are cafeteria Christians and only applaud those biblical rules that don’t impact they way they live.

      • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

        True. I guess you could say that places like Saudi Arabia are more consistent at dishing out amputations, stonings, hangings, etc. across the whole range of “sins” than the Christians.

  • Peter Wde

    Pink Cross = bullies and enemies of freedom of expression and liberal values.

    • grada3784

      Christians always seem to object when someone does unto them what they have been doing unto others.

      • Peter Wde

        Two wrongs do not make a right.

        The ends justify the means = morality of bullies and thugs.

        • grada3784

          Of course. You’d expect that from the poor widdle wounded whiny Christians.

          Why complain about us living to your expectations?

          • Peter Wde

            Basic expectations are the same for everyone, Pink Cross and the Roman Catholic Church etc. Those that use State-sponsored force to suppress speech they don’t like or that offends them are common garden thugs and bullies.

          • grada3784

            Obviously you think the liberal Swiss are common variety thugs and bullies. Much better to maintain the status quo of the Church bullies..

            Somehow I doubt you say these things on sites that claim how much we hate Christians.

          • Peter Wde

            Not very “liberal” are they, if they use hate speech laws to prosecute unpopular speech and views. Good job we here in the US recognize and honor true liberal values.

            My views remain the same wherever such authoritarian nonsense is being promulgated.

          • grada3784

            Just think of it as balancing the Church’s love of threats of eternal damnation.

            And if you have problems with Swiss laws, are you doing anything to get them changed> or are you just being a busybody posting your objections over here?

          • Peter Wde

            I see comprehension of “two wrongs don’t make a right” quite eludes you.

            Swiss law is their concern. Being a respector of national sovereignty I’m just exercising my 1A rights to point out its defects.. and of course being a busybody here.

          • grada3784

            I’m sure when people in other countries point out defects in our system that you feel that they hate America.

          • Peter Wde

            Not in the slightest, my chance to set them straight.

          • grada3784

            Just like other countries’ citizens want to set us straight?

          • Peter Wde

            Exactly, marketplace of ideas and not speech codes, censorship, and state bullying.

          • grada3784

            Then why do so many conservatives whine about anyone cricticising America as them hating America?

          • Peter Wde

            And they have a perfect right to whine, they can whine to their hearts content, whine all day long 24/7.

          • grada3784

            So conservatives can whine all they want, but gays can’t sue when someone threatens us with death?

          • Peter Wde

            Correct, not in the US, the 1A forbids it.

            In other less civilized European countries with sinister hate speech codes they potentially can sue…to silence those with which they disagree.

          • grada3784

            There are plenty of death threats to gays in the US. That’s civilized?

          • Peter Wde

            Death threats are illegal.

          • grada3784

            Gee, where are all the court cases?

          • Peter Wde

            Court records I guess.

          • grada3784

            I’d appreciate something better than a crummy guess.

          • Peter Wde

            A search engine might help, just a long shot.

          • grada3784

            But you’re so knowledgeable.

          • Peter Wde

            Most gracious of you to say so.

          • grada3784

            As for pious platitudes, I prefer “Honesty is the best policy”. It so freaks out the super-righteous when it’s applied.

          • Peter Wde

            Since when has honesty been either pious or platitudinous.

          • grada3784

            Platitude since Ben Franklin. Pious – well there is that commandment.

            But you know this already. Might be nice if you’d stop playing dumb.

          • Peter Wde

            I just go for plain old honesty and freedom of expression…not censorship. Of course your mileage may vary.

          • grada3784

            Who’s censoring the Bishop? Not the Government. And citizens suing isn’t censorship either. They’re just engaging in their freedom to disagree with the Bishop within the context of their legal system.

          • Peter Wde

            False, Pink Cross is attempting to use hate speech laws to bully the Bishop into silence and if legally successful have fines/imprisonment awarded. Speech codes exist to restrict unpopular speech and ideas, that’s their raison d’etre.

          • grada3784

            I think you;re being a drama queen, but even if you;re not, Catholics are supposed to be willing to suffer for their faith. Catholics are works-oriented, not say the sacred word Protestants. The rings Bishops wear are supposed to represent their willingness to die for their faith. I remember that from Benny’s first conclave, giving rings to Cardinals, while a convert in Afghanistan was actually facing death for apostasy..

          • Peter Wde

            What a silly argument, Catholic theology has no bearing on secular law.

          • grada3784

            Except that catholics believe they get get heavenly brownie points for suffering of any kind, including secular. You obviously never read the Sermon on the Mount.

          • Peter Wde

            More sillines, Catholic theology has nothing to do with secular law and is in no sense obliged to enable their desire to suffer.

          • grada3784

            So Catholics follow the Bible, except where they don’t/ OT is fine, St Paul is fine, but Jesus is out?

          • Peter Wde

            What Catholics believe I am quite indifferent to.

          • grada3784

            And extremely ignorant of.

          • Peter Wde

            No, quite knowledgeable, just indifferent.

          • grada3784

            If you’re knowledgeable, you hide it very well.

          • Peter Wde

            Just shy is all.

          • grada3784

            You, shy? I grew up in Brooklyn. I know there are no bridges for sale there.

          • Peter Wde

            And quite modest.

          • grada3784

            I believe that even less than the shy bit.

          • Peter Wde

            True enough though.

  • People4Humanity
  • Richard Rush

    The attacks on the religious freedom of Christians have now become so extreme that their freedom to simply incite genocide is actually being challenged. (sarcasm)

  • guest

    That is Dick Cheny!

  • Gregory In Seattle

    This sort of lawsuit has been tried in the US. The outcome was that the case gets thrown out: religious leaders have total freedom to be as vile and hateful as they want, and to incite violence against others. As long as God is in the mix, they are untouchable.

    • Peter Wde

      1A = everyone has total freedom to be as vile and hateful as they want.

    • ChrisMorley

      Currently US law does not apply in either Switzerland (where he’s a bishop) or Germany (where the bishop spoke).
      What matters is whether there is a crime under their Criminal Codes.

    • Stev84

      Thankfully, other countries aren’t America

  • Saul Farias

    His hateful preaching actually goes against the catechism of the Catholic church, but of course the Vatican will probably remain silent on this point. If he had dared say something about women in the priesthood calls to excommunicate him would be heard loud and clear. This glaring example shows what the church truly cares about its power not its flock, thus why I no longer practice. Pope Francis’ call for more inclusive church is hollow without him backing it up. I hear crickets…..

  • anne marie in philly

    child rapist! needs to go to jail!

  • jessi

    but his 1st amendment rights, his freedom of, wait, his constitutional, uum oh ya. that ain’t the good ol’ murica I love. different country like totally, huh.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    He should be reported to the nut house. Why didn’t the Catholics report the abusers?

  • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

    I am no fan of the dear bishop, but seriously…trying to bring a legal action against a Catholic bishop for quoting the bible seems a bit of a stretch. The Catholic hierarchy is doing a fine job alienating the flock, no need to provide them a martyr. Also, I’ve been to Schweitz a few times, the place has never struck me as being particularly progressive. If it’s a Catholic Canton it’s likely going to incite sympathy among the populace. Save the ammo for bigger battles. My 2 Rappen.

    • BudClark

      I think we need a class action suit (RICO, etc.) against the Catholics, Mor(m)ons, Southern Baptists, etc. for conspiring to deprive us of our civil rights.

  • JCF

    Hmmm, I’m ambivalent about this. See, I think THIS

    “Leviticus 20:13, it reads: ‘If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth
    with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
    surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.’. He then said,
    to applause: ‘Both of these passages alone suffice to clarify
    unambiguously the church’s position on homosexuality’.”

    is FALSE. (The Leviticus passage doesn’t address 21st century “homosexuality”, that is, persons w/ immutable homosexual orientation). He’s guilty of bad Bible interpretation, certainly. But I’m not sure that counts as incitement. I’d rather point and SHAME, than get the mechanisms of the State involved here. YMMV.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Well, I’ve always lain with mankind as I lieth with a man, so I guess I’m off the hook.

  • BudClark

    Wonder if the bishop ever read Matthew 18:6?

    King James Bible

    But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me,
    it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck,
    and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Is he in jail yet? How many kiddies has he fiddled with?

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