OREGON: Alleged Victim In Terry Bean Case Accused Of Evading Subpoena

Earlier this week I reported that the teenage alleged victim in the Terry Bean sexual abuse case had vanished and that the trial might be called off without him. Yesterday prosecutors accused the unnamed youth and his mother of engaging in an elaborate series of ruses to avoid being served with a subpoena which orders him to appear for next week’s trial.

Oregon law enforcement, along with investigators in California, attempted to serve the teen in San Diego County on July 26 after a judge in Lane County rejected a defense plan to dismiss the case. Once in California, however, detectives learned that the teen had quit both of his jobs in the days that followed the judge’s decision and had disappeared with his mother, who had flown from her home in Oregon to meet the youth in California on July 18 as the trial date approached. The pair then took an Amtrak train back to Eugene with tickets purchased by a friend of the boy’s mother, the document states. Officers returned to Oregon, determined who had bought the tickets and interviewed that person. That individual told police she bought the tickets, picked the two up from the train station when they arrived in Eugene and allowed them to stay in her home in Cottage Grove. The boy’s mother paid her friend in cash for the train tickets and later asked her to rent a car for them. During this time, the teen and his mother had turned off both of their cellphones and were using a “burner,” or untraceable prepaid phone, to communicate to avoid police detection. They also avoided using any credit cards to keep their activities secret from police, prosecutors said.

The now 17 year-old, who reportedly hooked up with HRC co-founder Bean and his then-boyfriend on Grindr in 2013, has said that the sex was consensual and that he doesn’t want to press charges. Last month an Oregon judge rejected Bean’s attempt to settle the case with a payment to the alleged victim. The amount of the proposed settlement was not disclosed. Citing the alleged victim’s evasion tactics, yesterday the lead prosecutor requested a continuance in the case. Earlier this week the judge had warned him that trial schedule was to be strictly adhered to. Should the alleged victim be served with the subpoena in time, he faces contempt of court charges if he fails to appear.

  • Schlukitz

    Sounds like a hanging judge.

    He’s gonna put someone behind bars…even it it’s the victim himself. LOL

  • Gustav2

    The prosecutors are asking where is Mariska Hargitay when you need her.

    • lattebud

      Or Dog the Bounty Hunter and his guns, also known as Beth’s breasts.

  • Ian

    I don’t like any of this. Why put yourself through all this stress? It seems to me at this point you’d avoid more attention and mental anguish by simply testifying and getting it over with. Wonder if there’s some quid pro quo stuff going on here since it wasn’t approved by the court?

    • Steve Teeter

      The lad doesn’t want to see Bean go to prison. He doesn’t want that on his conscience. That’s why he doesn’t want to testify.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Bloody nosy prosecutor! The boy is trying to get paid for his service rendered. I don’t know what’s sadder. The law for once try to do the right thing to be undermine by money or The boy and his parents think money will make everything alright.
    https://youtu.be/ETxmCCsMoD0

    • Polterguest

      anything with ABBA gets an upvote from me.

      • MattM

        I hope Muriel’s Wedding is still on Netflix

      • jay

        NAMBLA? Oh you meant ABBA. Sorry.

        • Schlukitz

          I see what you did there.

    • Mihangel apYrs

      or the boy deciding that he was old enough to choose

    • RaygunsGoZap

      The law is doing the law thing. It’s not doing the right thing. And it’s not being undermined by money.

      The young man chose to go there. You make him sound like either a victim, a whore or a fool.

      You are assuming a lot about this young man and his mother. Since they aren’t here, I’ll ask on their behalf: what needs to be made alright? And what would we apply to that in order to achieve alrightness.

      • bambinoitaliano

        Yes, I made assumptions and others also make assumptions. The only way is to go through the legal procedure and let the court officers do their job no?

        • RaygunsGoZap

          The only way? I think not. The whole thing could be dropped. Or, actually, something in the middle?

          The court officers are doing their job. At least the process. But the mother and young man aren’t compelled – legally or morally – to assist. Let them put the guy on the stand and have him say not a word. What then? Jail him until he testifies in their attempt to jail Terry.

          The more this goes on, the more it’s apparent that no crime happened. The opinion that Terry should have been savvier and pressed for proof of age, is valid. I personally theorize he was on drugs when this happened – not an excuse for the law, but one for loss of common sense, sadly.

          .

  • another_steve

    The whole story rots on several levels. Particularly disturbing is the implicit assumption that young teens are unable to consent to sexual behavior.

    A ridiculous assumption, that. A gross generalization that in the fullness of time — as the human brain and human consciousness evolve — will disappear.

    • bambinoitaliano

      Unfortunately not all kids are maturing at the same rate. There’s a reason the law set a certain age to protect minors from being sexually abuse. While I do question the 25 year who decide to have sex with a 15 year old, I’m more disturb by a 65 year old on a 15 year old. Perhaps this 17 year old now boy is mature and speaking out for himself that he did consent to sex at the time. I’m more cynical of the motive that could involve money settled outside of the court. Lest we’ve forgotten the abuses of many institution such as schools and churches, sex involving minor and adults should always be err on the side of caution.

      • another_steve

        Not all adults mature at the same rate either. There are 15-year-olds who are more in touch with their sexual wants and needs than are some 50-year-olds.

        This is a classic case of “line-drawing” as a socio-legal expedient.

        I think it stinks and hurts lots of young people, and I think civilized people need to find a better way to proceed.

        • bambinoitaliano

          Certainly in society we have to go with a bell curve so that a law can be apply base on the general definition. Chances are it’s pretty difficult to convince anyone a duo of 25 and 65 years old men are less mature than a 15 year old. Besides this case has yet to be settle. If we are going to rely on judicial system to operate in the country why not let this case settle between two lawyers in front of a judge? We can’t pick and choose at will that we constantly accuse of those evangelists do about what laws to follow and what not to.

          • another_steve

            “The now 17 year-old, who reportedly hooked up with HRC co-founder Bean and his then-boyfriend on Grindr in 2013, has said that the sex was consensual…”

            End of story.

            No need for hearings, subpoenas, judgments, whatever.

            End of story.

          • daveinsf

            Bullshit. End of story my ass. It is a crime to have sex with a 15 year old minor. It is wrong, it is illegal and it should be judged.

          • Schlukitz

            I am not condoing Mr. Beans actions, but it should be noted that the age of consent in many countries around the world is lower than that of the USA.

            What is a “crime” in one place, is not a crime in another and that is the issue which needs to be addressed. Not throwing people in the slammer because it makes them feel good about their mores.

            Also of interest, is the fact, the the age of consent appears to be higher in those countries that are heavily religious.

          • bambinoitaliano

            Isn’t most countries age of consent that are lower only apply to their peers and not a mature adult with a 15 year old? I’m just asking the question here.

          • Shy Guy

            Many countries do have lower limits for those near in age, but in most countries that have lower ages of consent than the US (that’s most countries), that lower limit applies to all, and the near-in-age exceptions will be lower than the general age.

            For example in Germany the age of consent is 14 for all, but the younger party is subject to stricter protections against abuse, if their partner is over 21, but the younger party has to file charges.

            Or Italy, also 14, with a close in age exception for 13 year olds and those no more than 3 years older. Also excluding adoptive parents, teachers, and priests with those under 16.

            It all varies widely by country.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

          • bambinoitaliano

            That’s what I gather. Among their peers within the age of consent it’s handle differently versus someone who is much older.

          • Steve Teeter

            I believe those clauses about near-in-age cases are called “Romeo and Juliet” laws.

          • William

            Germany: “The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the
            age of 21 does not exploit a 14- to 15-year-old person’s lack of
            capacity for sexual self-determination….”

            That doesn’t mean the US wouldn’t prosecute an adult American citizen for having sex with a 14 year old in Germany.

          • Schlukitz

            A quick Google will answer that question for you, I am sure.

          • Shy Guy

            The religious thing is true of places like Ireland (an outlier in Europe at 17), but South America is pretty religious, but there it’s mostly 13/14 with a minority at 15/16.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_South_America

          • Schlukitz

            Well, there are exceptions to everything, aren’t there? 🙂

          • another_steve

            So Dave, I’ll pose to you the same question I’ve posed to others here.

            When you were a 15-year-old queerling, did you ever have the bona fide hots for men?

          • daveinsf

            Yes I did, but the 15 yo is not on trial the 65 yo man is,

          • Don’t worry, He’ll be too now that he’s turned from victim into fugitive.

          • another_steve

            So explain to me, Dave, why (assuming the 15-year-old consented to the sex), there’s a “trial” going on here?

          • Schlukitz

            Simple answer?

            Because of a sick religious need to stick their noses into where other people stick their dicks instead of concerning themselves with real crimes like Ultra Orthodox Jews running around with a knife looking for “sex-crazed” homos to stab in the back.

          • Mihangel apYrs

            it was wrong, in the UK, before 1967, to have sex with another man. It was illegal and it should be judged.

          • Schlukitz

            And now we know why the bullfight was such a popular attraction.

            The prospect of seeing either the bull or the Toreador suffer.

          • It was illegal in much of the United States until 2004, irrespective of how old the two males were. It would be interesting to learn when our “end of story” brigade had their first sexual encounters.

        • CottonBlimp

          I really doubt it hurts young people nearly as much as their sexual exploitation by adults.

          Boys are taught, from a very young age, that sex is the most important, transformative experience of their lives, and it pushes them to rush into sexual experiences they’re not ready for. It’s like they’re being groomed by society.

          • bambinoitaliano

            I’m not sure boys are taught as much as being misinform. Certainly sexual curiosity comes with the territory. However, I think the discrepancy is much wider between straight boys and gay boys when it comes to sexual experience.

          • Steve Teeter

            Society is full of it, then. I first had sex at 19, and it was good but not mindblowing. It took time and practice (with the same partner, yet!) to acquire the skills and experience to achieve a true skull-busting orgasm.

            I’ve read many accounts by men saying their first encounters were really nothing special, not compared to what came later. Boys in this society are being sold a bill of goods. A rotten one.

        • bambinoitaliano

          I do know some gay men have positive sexual experience with older adults when they were under the age of majority. This is a sensitive subject because a growing person like a teenager if abuse will cause more damaged than just physical. We do not have exact science to measure the maturity of an individuals despite the advancement of our technology. What we can hope for is our judicial system beyond the strict definition of no consensual sex with minor can take on individual case such as this to dissect the minds of all involve and determine the responsibilities of each individuals. It’s important to understand the sexual history of a minor before we can say this is a clear cut case against defendants or being dismiss.

    • Goodboy

      The law is the law. Kids can’t legally give consent. End of story.

      • another_steve

        At one time in relatively recent history, state laws held that consensual sodomy was illegal.

        Was that “end of story”?

        • bambinoitaliano

          That’s why we have elections and procedure to challenge the judicial system. We can’t base on he said she said and take it as the law of the land. Just as that county clerk who refuse to issue marriage license. Despite how wrong she is, it still need to be challenge in court to get her to toe the line or toss her ass out of the county office.

        • Goodboy

          Why is this even being discussed. You can’t at least wait till they turn 18?

          • another_steve

            When you were a 17-year-old queerling, Goodboy, did you ever have the bona fide hots for men?

          • Goodboy

            I had the hot for kids my own age back then. The thought of being with a 65 yo would just be nasty.

          • Schlukitz

            Ergo, no one else should desire someone older as a sex partner?

          • Goodboy

            It doesn’t matter. If I were the judge I’d mandate that Bean be castrated.

          • Schlukitz

            Castraton does not impact the ability to perform coitus. And we have yet to hear of a male becoming pregnant as a result of anal coitus.

            Thank goodness that you are not a Judge.

            Perhaps there are some Judicial positons open in Iran, Iraq or Afghanistan that you might inqurie about?

          • jay

            I just watched the movie Gerontophilia last night about a 18 yo having the hots for guys in their 80’s. It’s on Netfliix. Actually was pretty good.

          • Schlukitz

            A member of Netflix, I also caught that film a couple weeks ago. I too, thought that it was very well done.

            it’s sad that more people cannot accept that love comes in many forms and is no respecter of skin color, sexual orientation, age, religion, etc.

            I just wish that we lived in a world where people objected more to bigotry and hatred than they do to whom someone else is going to bed with.

          • another_steve

            Not me.

            When I was 13, I had enormous hots for the superintendent of the apartment building I and my parents lived in.

            He was about 50. Very hot. Very butch.

            In the privacy of my fantasy world, I had him doing all manner of terrible nasty to me.

          • Schlukitz

            Becasue it is a topic that obviously warrants discussion.

            You can’t wait to call another_steve a pedophile?

        • Merv99

          I’m ambivalent. On the one hand, teenagers are sexual beings who should be able to make their own decisions about their bodies, but on the other hand their brains are not fully developed, leading to poor decision making skills. I think the best we can do is set the age of consent somewhere around 16, but give judges discretion if it seems appropriate based on maturity level.

          • William

            Age of consent in Texas is 17.

          • bambinoitaliano

            That’s my point. The judges should be the one to decide. The 15 year old should be evaluated base on his family background and history to determine if he has the maturity to consent. I’m not advocating the defendants be send to jail without due process. In this case the welfare is for the benefit of the 15 year old. The case very much depend on him. It’s not a one sided trial established by the prosecutor, the lawyer for the defense should be able to counter the accusation.

          • Shy Guy

            I agree, they should, (although most people would prefer their sex lives not be evaluated in court) but if I’m not mistaken, in most of the US these are “strict liability” offenses, meaning the judge has no discretion.

            So if this young man turned up in court and said “It was all my idea, and I loved every minute of it. I lied, said I was 18, and he believed me.” that would make no difference, Bean would still be guilty, and go to jail.

          • bambinoitaliano

            That’s the double age sword in our legal system. A minor is not quite full adult therefore the state has to act on his/her behalf.

  • StSean

    that’s… weird.

  • LonelyLiberal

    It does seem odd. If it’s true, the young fellow could take the stand and simply state he claimed to be 18, he told Grindr he was 18, and that there would, therefore, be no reason to doubt that he was 18.

    • Merv99

      The law in most states is that it doesn’t matter if the victim lied, even if the perpetrator reasonably believed his representations. Personally, I think it’s ridiculous. The standard should be reasonable belief, as it is in self-defense cases. We are in the absurd situation where Bean could have shot and killed the boy without any legal repercussions whatsoever if he reasonably believed he was threatening his life, even if it later turned out not to be true at all. But, if he has sex based on a reasonable belief it’s irrelevant under the law.

      • bambinoitaliano

        Even without knowing the context, we are looking at a 65 and a 25 as defendants versus a 15 yr old plaintiff.

        • Piet

          The 15 yr old isn’t the plaintiff, though. The plaintiff is the state. That’s a case of an entirely different color.

          • bambinoitaliano

            True. In this case the state is also acted on behalf of the 15 year old interest. Take away the cynicism of the motive by the state prosecutor for a second. That’s the responsibility and function of the state.

          • jay

            Same analogy as the state prosecuting someone for rape even though the rape victim doesn’t want to take part. Rape is still rape though.

      • Goodboy

        Doesn’t apply to me since I don’t chase after barely legals. I think it’s just the hazard of that activity you might have to accept one day.

        At the very least take some precautions when someone that has to look pretty damn young shows up at your door ie check their ID.

        However, I think Bean liked the idea of sex with under age kids. You know that whole past history of hooking with kids and all.

        • Merv99

          I don’t know about his history, but he sure seems to have behaved recklessly in this case. He should have at least asked for ID. But even if he had seen a driver’s license, birth certificate, passport, and notarized statements from 100 relatives, he could still be prosecuted. That’s why I think it’s ridiculous to write laws that way.

        • Mihangel apYrs

          indeed
          However, see how you’d feel if they raise the age of queer consent to NEVER, as they could

          • Steve Teeter

            That’s the way it used to be. Lawrence v. Texas struck that down.

      • William

        Rob Lowe go out of a statutory rape charge. He met a girl in a club in Atlanta. His defense was anyone in the club had to be 21 or over to get in, so he had the expectation that the girl was of legal age.

        Any other schmoe would have been sentenced to ten years.

      • Toasterlad

        Indeed. Look at that poor 19 year old kid who banged an underaged girl who told him she was legal. Both the girl and her mother pleaded with the judge that the guy did nothing wrong, but the judge still put him on a sex offender’s list for the next 25 years of his life, just to send a message about the “evils of hookup culture”.

        http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/dating-app-sex-offender-registry/

    • Goodboy

      Poor Bean. Always getting accused of this. Ok maybe last time it was more then an accusation since he was convicted but he didn’t know that time too.

  • NIFP

    So, is it suddenly our duty to use traceable cell phones (hope they took the batteries, out, too) and credit cards so that law enforcement can “detect” us and follow our “activities”? Is it a crime to evade a subpoena?

    • bambinoitaliano

      If he is still a minor, isn’t the parents that are responsible for the subpoena to ensure their child will appear in the court? Unless there’s a police report of their child run away, I beleive this one is on the parents.

      • Schlukitz

        Wow. This is really beginning to escalate into a
        “shotgun” case.

        Grab the perp.

        Grab the victim.

        Grab the police reports.

        Grab the parents.

        Grab anyone within eyeshot.

        Grab anyone who has information.

        Grab anyone harboring the “fugitives”.

        How long before this becomes an International incident?

      • RaygunsGoZap

        Maybe Mama is just watching out for what she feels is best for her son. He had consensual sex. He doesn’t want Terry prosecuted and he doesn’t want to help with that.

        I’ve been through this scenario personally. The prosecutor chose to avoid a trial. Maybe to protect me? That’s what they said. I think protecting the town, the school and sweeping faggotry under the rug was the real motivation. They would have imprisoned him if I were female.

        The only reason there has been money involved and we know about that, is because it’s part of Oregon law to pursue that remedy and Terry went through all the transparent procedures via the judge. And the judge said No. So, now, there is no money involved. Except what we imagine is being transferred in secret and/or coveted over their child’s welfare

        • bambinoitaliano

          From the legal stand point of view. Is there a precedence for the prosecutor at this point to drop all charges against Terry Bean and his boyfriend? The initial charges was not brought on by the 15 year old and his family. It’s not like he can recant his earlier statement. The prosecutor will have to see this through one way or another without losing face or suffer any political set back. Consider this is quite a high profile case.

      • KCMC

        strong point. Perhaps unrelated yet when 14, 15 yo kids on my (MO) caseload face pregnancy/paternity, both kids’ parents are hot-lined on parental supervision basis.

    • bJason

      I’d upvote but I’m afraid they’re watching.

      • NIFP

        LOL! I should probably have waited for my meds to kick in before I posted that. So much for “No Internet Footprint, Please.”

        I won’t deny that many aspects of this whole case seem more than a shade shady, but a former co-worker turned me onto “true” crime and I find the whole aspect of managing to disappear/evade rather fascinating. Especially in this day and age. I mean practically everything is traceable. However, Oregon is very large, and there are a lot of people in the eastern part of that state that would help them hide, if it weren’t for that pesky gay part of the case.

        • William

          Oregon isn’t too far away from Canada. As long as the Canadian authorities haven’t been notified.

          • NIFP

            Very true, and if they stayed in the eastern parts of OR and WA (or crossed to ID), they could possibly make it.

            However, I would expect by now that they must be on some sort of watch list. And I doubt they have passports.

            By the by, I have always liked your icon.

          • William

            The state would probably have to notify the feds in order to get them on an international watch list. I’m not sure how that works

            Thanks, the photo is a close likeness.

          • Schlukitz

            Love your sense of humor. 🙂

          • William

            My Mother swears that she never dropped my on my head.

          • Schlukitz

            LOL

          • Ray Taylor

            I’ll give ya a little sniff.

    • Mr. Enemabag Jones

      They didn’t work this hard tracking Bin Laden.

    • danolgb

      I think his best interest would be to allow them to serve the subpoena but then tell the prosecutors he’s going to plead the 5th. It doesn’t only apply when you’ve been accused of a crime. You can use it at any time.

      • NIFP

        OK, don’t hate me for my “source”, but I saw on one of those criminal procedural dramas on television that if the witness is indemnified, then they can’t take the 5th and instead face contempt of court (which seems to be a VERY vague and punishing charge) if they won’t testify. Hopefully, that was all just for dramatic effect.

        • danolgb

          Can Any Witness Plead the Fifth?

          At a criminal trial, it is not only the defendant who enjoys the Fifth Amendment right not to testify. Witnesses who are called to the witness stand can refuse to answer certain questions if answering would implicate them in any type of criminal activity (not limited to the case being tried). Witnesses (as well as defendants) in organized crime trials often plead the Fifth, for instance.

          But unlike defendants, witnesses who assert this right may do so selectively and do not waive their rights the moment they begin answering questions. Also, unlike defendants, witnesses may be forced by law to testify (typically by subpoena).- See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/fifth-amendment-right-against-self-incrimination.html#sthash.6Pr8RvGN.dpuf

          — That last bit seems to indicate they can be forced to testify, but I think it means they’re forced to show up. They can still plead the 5th. A lawyer might need to clarify.

          • NIFP

            Thank you for the info and link!

          • forcebear

            I was once a juror at a trial during which a witness’ “Fifth Amendment claim of privilege” (that’s the terminology the judge used) was overruled repeatedly. IIRC, he appeared voluntarily as a friendly witness for the defendant, but the prosecutor indemnified him to make him answer several questions about his and the defendant’s actions.

  • Princess Lardass

    But, but, but…
    …charges must be filed! They took advantage of a kid! I mean if someone, let’s say Josh Duggar, for instance, took advantage of a child, charges would absolutely be filed!

    • bambinoitaliano

      I agree that douchebag should be charge. One sticking point is the age of offenders. Josh was 15 years old. In this case Terry Bean is 65 and his boy friend 25. We can debate the age of the victims on both cases. To me it’s offensive regardless.

      • Perspective

        One of Duggar’s victims was FIVE YEARS OLD! and he fingered an innocent child while she sat on his lap. In this case the “kid” was the aggressor, actively seeking sex and lying about his age.

  • TJay229

    They are gonna get that Child molester Terry Bean if it’s the last thing they do…. GOOD. LMBAO

    • Mihangel apYrs

      were you a child at 15yo? Did you still play with your toys, or did you think that since you were man enough to ejaculate you were man enough to do it with someone else?

      In some (civilised) countries you were at the age of consent or older

      • TJay229

        Here, in America (in particular Oregon) 15 isn’t legal age to:

        1) Work
        2) Buy Alcohol
        3) Drive a car
        4) Vote
        5) Buy Cigarettes
        6) Join the Military
        7) HAVE CONSENTUAL SEX WITH A OLDER PERSON

        So at 15, the State and Federal authorities consider you a CHILD, you dumbass fool.

      • Schlukitz

        Wow. You got off much easier than I did. He only called you a “dumbass fool”.

        Apparently, he holds you in higher esteem. 😛

        This is what I got called on Mat Baume on the Stonewall trailer thread.

        TJay229 Schlukitz • a day ago

        DUMBASS FAGGOT

  • Circ09

    Sad this kid got caught up in this old pervert and his boyfriend’s seedy antics and caustic disputes. Hopefully this has been a huge learning lesson this young man can contemplate while spending the large amount of cash he no doubt got as a payoff.

    • Toasterlad

      He didn’t get a payoff, because the judge wants to make an example of Bean.

      • jay

        He got a payoff behind the judges back which makes it 100 times worse.

        • danolgb

          Okay.. you keep posting this. Do you have any proof? Or are you just making shit up?

        • Toasterlad

          Do we know that, or are you just assuming?

          • jay

            That was Beans first move but the judge denied it. Now we have a very uncooperative victim that now wants this all to go away. Hmm….

          • Schlukitz

            Pure supposition.

          • jay

            Ha. Maybe his ex has a video of that too.

          • Schlukitz

            Again. More supposition.

            But do keep digging.

          • Toasterlad

            I won’t lie, it sure seems to fit. But if this kid WAS paid off, I doubt he got enough money to successfully hide forever. Sooner or later, there would need to be a reckoning.

        • Schlukitz

          And you have private information that supports your postulation?

      • DaveW

        It’s the prosecuted not the judge. Right there in the story. Judges are neutral. We keep saying the judge. It’s clear the judge is frustrated with the prosecuted who likely has an election in the future.

        • DaveW

          Ugh auto incorrect. Prosecutor

  • Gerry Fisher

    Are there *any* good guys in this story?

  • NIFP

    Let’s all take a moment to cleanse our palates with “Age of Consent” by New Order:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ahU-x-4Gxw

  • MattM

    Everything about this case makes me sad.

  • James

    This is not a comment on Bean and his boyfriend, and what they knew and didn’t know and whether or not they’re predators, and it’s definitely not to excuse those who prey on vulnerable kids, but at 15 years old I often passed for 20 and could easily have ended up in a similar situation, the sex would’ve been consensual, and I would have been devastated if my actions had led to someone being prosecuted. I think it’s within the realm of possibility that that’s what happened in this case.

    • Schlukitz

      Because of an unhappy home life, I relieved my parents from the responsibility of caring for me, financially and otherwise, by leaving home at the age of 14.

      Like you, I passed for being much older than my actual years and was expected to honor and carry out my responsibilities as if I were an adult. And I did.

      I also had an active sex life well before the legal age of 18, all of which was consensual and often involved persons older than myself because they were understanding and supportive of my homosexuality unlike my peer group whose only desire would have been to kick the shit out of a homo, as happened to me twice before reaching my 18th birthday.

      Like you, I would have been greatly saddened if my actions had led to someone being prosecuted.

      • RLK2

        Well its not your actions that matter. It the person that is over 18 that knowingly takes advantage of someone under age. There is no excuse for that they did not know your age, they are responsible for their actions regardless. That is how the law works. Anyone over 18 that sleeps with a minor, regardless if they knew their age or not, would be guilty of pedophilia.

        • Schlukitz

          Oh good grief. Here we go again with the same old bullshit.

          Whatever you many think of Mr. Bean’s actions, he is not a pedophile. It is important what we label things correctly, especially when one is on trial.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebephilia

          • Mihangel apYrs

            don’t bother: the pearl clutchers see underage sex as paedophilia (despite it not being with a child) and throw hysterics when they are told of ages of consent elsewhere (14yo I believe in France)

          • Schlukitz

            Time and time again, we have seen and heard the cries of anguish over homosexuality and same-sex marriage and how wrong it is, only to have one of them caught having sex on the down-low with a member of their own sex.

            One has to wonder if there is also not a bit of the hypocrisy among those who scream the loudest about pedophilia.

            Perhaps they too have hidden desires for children and rather than confront their own desires, point the finger at others and accuse them of it, like the priests who diddle altar boys in the RC Church.

          • Duggar?

          • Schlukitz

            Perfect example.

        • RaygunsGoZap

          Pedophilia is a mental disorder not a class of crime. And it’s not appropriate here because it refers to children under 10. The boy was 15. That would make someone who has focused their sexual attractions on 15-19 as a euhebephile. You can’t be guilty of either. You can suffer/struggle with both and you can break laws like contributing to the delequence of a minor or rape or whatever. Pedophilia is a mental disease and has nothing to do with this case.

          You are also mistaken about legal adults and those under 18. Several states, including mine, have laws that protect new legal adults and their relationships. A three-year age gap prevents young adults from being charged as rapists for having a peer as their partner. So, 18 year olds can date down to 15, 19 year olds to 16 and 20 year olds to 17.

          Your logic is flawed. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Ignorance of the facts – especially when deceived – is something else. So if a person lies about their age and appears to be the age they lied about and you act accordingly, you have committed a crime? By that logic, any person who buys something stolen believing in good faith that the sale is legitimate is a thief and should face punishment along with the thief/seller. But we don’t do that. We confiscate the property for trial or return to its rightful owner. And that person is out their money and the purchase.

  • Jordan

    In many civilized places outside the US, age of consent laws are lower and this would be perfectly legal. Only because of where it happened is he being labelled a pedophile. Age of consent is 14 in Austria, Germany, Italy and Portugal.. 15 in Denmark, France, Greece, Czech Republic, Iceland and Sweden. I remember when I was 15, I knew what I wanted, I felt I was well and truly old enough and intelligent enough to give consent.

    • Schlukitz

      I find it extremely interesting that in this country, the courts go after supposed “sexual exploitation of a minor” with such grim determination as this judge is doing, yet does absolutely nothing about the “good” Christian parents who throw their 15 year old, or younger, homosexual children out in the street and abandon their responsibility to support them financially or otherwise, until the legal age of 18.

      Where is the outrage about this issue and why is no court/judge addressing it, I wonder?

    • Goodboy

      Yeah, somehow I don’t think they meant 15 yo’s and 65 yo’s getting it on though.

      • Schlukitz

        You think?

        Empirical data would be much more accurate.

        Sources, please?

      • RaygunsGoZap

        A country declares 15 the age of consent. A 15 year old understands he likes much older men and decides to not fuck his peers. What’s the maximum age he should be allowed to select for his partners and why?

    • Raising_Rlyeh

      That’s why I wish there was one national standard for age of consent laws. I would also prefer that they be set at 15 or 16. I realize that can be read as a creepy comment, but want to preference that with the fact that I go for silver dads. The problem is we have puritanical minds that don’t want to admit that their kids want to have sex. That’s why they fight against any sex-education because they want to live in a world where people wait until marriage.

      • Schlukitz

        Hit. Nail. Head.

        Anytime there is a prohibition about something, you bet your ass that there is a religious reason behind it.

      • Shy Guy

        Yes, everyone thinks you’re a child molester if you advocate for lower ages of consent.

        No-one likes to admit that teens have sex, and this is entirely normal and natural.

        In the UK the age is 16, and that sounds reasonable, until you learn that 50% of young people admit to having their first sexual experiences below that age.

        Do we really want to make criminals of 50% of our young people?

        The normal answer to this is “Yes, but the law is hardly ever enforced for those cases.” but the fact is they are disproportionately used against LGBT youth with angry parents lashing out.

        High ages of consent (18 is so unrealistic, it’s laughable) seem like a king-Canute-like attempt to legislate against nature to me…

        • jay

          For sex between “young people” I’m all for it.

        • Schlukitz

          You make excellent points.

  • Toasterlad

    “You were sexually assaulted, boy, and if you don’t have the good grace to feel bad about it, we’re going to drag you into court and make you recount it til you do!”

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    The kid clearly does not want to testify. He probably doesn’t feel like he was exploited. Yes, he was under the age of consent, but the kid went out of his way to get onto a hookup app and most likely lied about his age to have sex. They should have checked his id if he claimed he was 18, but I don’t see how the kid is a victim. He sought the sex out and he says it was consensual. The biggest creep factor for many people is probably the fact that a 65 year old thought he was going to have sex with an 18 year old.

    • jay

      Yeah, and I’m sure Bean paying him off had nothing to do with it.

  • Mark

    I have to wonder how many 14/15 year-olds know they are under the age of consent, and are fully cognizant of what that means?

    We now have a mish-mash of laws written by a mish-mash of adults – and yet the people it primarily concerns are unaware.

    FWIW – I thought I wasn’t “legal” for anything until I was 18. Sure I got a driver’s license at 16, but I never equated that to “consent”, and in most circumstances I wasn’t legal. Nobody said a frigging word about reaching the age of consent, what it was or when it happened. Not once – which is very unlike the many times before my 16th that I had consensual sex. I had a new sensation, a working tool, and I was going for it!

  • Mihangel apYrs

    for information: the age of consent varies from 14yo up until never (for gay men).

    I know that at 14 I was ready for it, and looking

  • JustSayin

    While i don’t support what bean seems to have done the prosecutors are victimizing this kid. If a woman refused to testify against her rapist would they do the same to her? NO they wouldn’t. Kid needs a lawyer to sue the state on violation based on gender.

    • Schlukitz

      I get the uncanny feeling that is not so much about upholding the law as it is about sending a “queer” to jail, wether it be Bean or the lad…or both.

  • K_J_Pall

    Last i heard the kid was represented by counsel.
    He is either getting very bad advice, or not listening to his attorney.

    Just appear and plead the 5th.
    This evasion of subpoena is no good for anyone.

  • NMNative

    I am not condoning sex with underage minors. It’s illegal. However, as a young and extremely horny teenager, I had sex with dozens of adult men and would have been mortified and horrified to be told they would get into trouble for being with me. I searched it out and liked every minute of it. This young man sounds the same.

  • Ireyon

    Usually the accused is the one running away from police.

    I wonder if they accidentally imported this court case from the mirror universe.