Ben Carson: America As We Know It Will Be Destroyed By Independent Trump Run

“Iā€™m hoping that he will at some point come to an understanding that if he runs as a third-party candidate, he will essentially hand the election to the progressives, who will get two or three Supreme Court picks, and America will be gone as we know it. I hope he realizes the seriousness of the situation.” – Ben Carson, speaking today on Fox News radio.

  • Gustav2

    Hee-hee! Imagine the Sadz 15 months from now even without a indie Trump run.

    REALITY CHECK: Only Florida, North Carolina, unlikely Ohio, and Virginia were decided by less than 5 percentage points in 2012.
    They are the states with a reasonable chance to be flipped.
    **If ** the GOP candidate wins all the states the GOP won last time and flips Florida, Ohio, and Virginia from blue to red, the GOP candidate STILL loses.
    And the GOP base has shrunk since 2012, Hillary is getting RECORD support from women and winning men….

    Hint: The election is OVER….Hillary won… barring a major screw up.

    • clay

      AND the congressional seats up in 2016 will probably flip the senate control and weaken the GOP in the house.

      • Gustav2

        The Kochs have started an independent GOTV effort. The Dems better match it.

        • clay

          Yes, and they’re competing for dollars against Jib’s GOP/RNC donors.

    • tristram

      The reality is that Hillary has an uphill battle to win the Presidency. Only once since 1948 (Bush succeeding Reagan in 1988 and winning in a landslide against Dukakis’s ineptitude) has either party held the presidency for longer than 8 consecutive years. Hillary’s support is soft. She is not young, and a lot of voters are just tired of her. The Democratic debates are going to seem like dinner at your grandparents’ house, with a couple of eccentric uncles on the side. The 20% of voters in the middle of the political spectrum are largely middle-class people whose standard of living has eroded over the past 8 years, and they tend to blame the administration more than Congress.

      The Republican share of the electorate might be shrinking, but the share of independents has increased. Republicans have passed (or will pass) ‘voter suppression’ laws in a number of key states, and their superpac allies will mount massive GOTV efforts. There are several ticket combinations out of Bush/Walker/Rubio/Kasich/(Fiorina) who could flip 4% in all 4 of those states and pick up other states as well.

      Hillary’s odds are less than even right now. Any little glitch between now and 11/16 – a slip in the economy, a terrorism incident, a military setback (by the U.S. or an ally), a flub by Hillary – and her chances fall precipitously.

      • DaveDocSC

        I agree with your analysis. And to paraphrase Ben’s quote … I hope progressives realize the seriousness of the situation.

      • JT

        Whatever else might be said about this analysis, you underestimate the fact that it is high time for a female President as a matter historical rightness and millenial expectancy, and Hillary is by far the most accomplished woman in the pack.

        • Cuberly

          Even some conservative women are for Hillary.

          While the all consuming anti-Hillz attacks are meant to tire people on a Hillz Presidency, it’s also, to a certain degree, being perceived as being way over the top.

          Some aren’t buying what the Anti-Hillz machine is selling.

          • bill weber

            “Even”? Hil IS a conservative woman.

          • Cuberly

            Wingnut messaging dictates that Hillz is socialist Obama’s administration part trois.

        • tristram

          I agree that it is well past time for this country to have a female President. And I am a huge fan of President Obama. But I think a lot of people, including a lot of women, in that middle 20% of swing voters are somewhat uneasy at the idea of going from one first – our first black President – to another. They might even realize that the source of the tension and drama is the aging, insecure white conservatives, but they just want it to stop. And they see Hillary as another potentially polarizing figure – both because she would be the first woman and because of her inextricable association with the “Clinton Administration.” This is particularly true of younger voters whose knowledge of the Clintons is substantially limited to the sexual folklore around Bill. I’m not saying that Hillary cannot win their votes, I’m saying that at this time in history her would-be status as the first “Madame President” cuts both ways.

          • JT

            But I think a lot of people, including a lot of women, in that middle
            20% of swing voters are somewhat uneasy at the idea of going from one first – our first black President – to another.

            Why would you think that? Your expressed concerns appear groundless and merely invented.

      • Todd20036

        You forget the quality of the opposing side. It isn’t democrats versus republicans. It’s democrats versus religious reactionaries.

        It’s not even close. Despite BP’s diatribes, the parties could not be more different.

        • tristram

          I see the real GOP field as substantially limited to the candidates I mentioned – Bush/Walker/Rubio/Kasich/(Fiorina). Even they talk a lot of god-talk. But first, two-thirds of the electorate are comfortable with god-talk even if not all of them are fundamentalists. And each of those five candidates is capable of running a general election campaign that does not come across as being religiously reactionary in the eyes of the politically moderate swing voters.

        • tristram

          And my thinking here is based both on general longer-term observation and on near-term anecdotal evidence. A number of my colleagues at work are what I would term liberal-leaning swing voters. Two of them who both voted for Gore, Kerry and Obama x2 said after the debate that if the election were held next week, they would vote for either Kasich or Rubio over Clinton. That scares me.

          • BudClark

            WHY would they do a STUPID thing like THAT?

          • billbear1961

            So, people will vote for a return to the insanely reckless GOP policies–foreign and domestic–that almost destroyed the country under W., for wild deregulation that led to financial meltdown and the greatest recession since the Great Depression?

            There’s an appetite for an aggressive foreign policy and more ruinous and endless WARS?

            People want to see the ACA, which is truly starting to WORK, gutted or revoked??


            And they want a return to all-out right-wing war on gays, on women, on immigrants, on the poor and people of colour–a ramping-up of divisive and hateful rhetoric–and actions–for YEARS to come, and new judges appointed to the courts who will claw back hard-won rights?

            They think THAT will end the “tension and drama” and not lead to a social explosion not seen since the 60s??

            Then they are brainless FOOLS!

            Jeb Bush’s performance has been faltering–he sometimes fails to be coherent. He changes his opinions on many issues from day to day depending on the audience he’s speaking to.

            Rubio is a neophyte, who does nothing to inspire confidence in his ability to lead.

            Walker has a very shady past, is incredibly divisive, and has damaged Wisconsin’s economy.

            Kasich has no charisma and political baggage of his own: last I heard the economy in Ohio wasn’t doing well, either, AND he recently got a law passed to prevent investigations into what one of his government departments has been up to (I believe the lax–if not corrupt–manner in which it has been investing taxpayer funds in Ohio businesses–with very poor results–has been called into serious question).

      • BudClark

        Bernie may come out of nowhere and win, just like Obama did. I’m voting for him in the primaries; If necessary, I’ll vote for Beelzebub in the general as long as he/she is on the Democratic ticket.

  • metrored

    Ben Carson, warning Fox News radio about my wildest fantasy.

    • GunnaHurt

      remember 7 years ago when Chuck Norris said if Barack Obama won the second term we’d have “1000 years of darkness?” Because… it’s not dark yet.

      • barracks9

        Chuck was hinting at a different kind of “darkness”.

        • Uncle Dave

          Well after 6 plus years it still ain’t “dark.”

        • BudClark

          Poor ol’ Chuck needs a flashlight up his asshole to illuminate that “darkness.”

      • Gigi

        It’s dark in his dungeon.

      • Ben in Oakland

        C’mon. It was very dark last night.

      • 2karmanot

        No, i think he said Kung-fu dwarfs.

  • BearEyes

    essentially hand the election to the progressives

    let’s hope so. This really needs to happen.

    • not to sound too downer debbie, but HRC is not a progressive. a democrat, yes. who may have some coat tails for actual progressives in congress, but she is not one of them.

      • gaymex

        But she is intelligent, rational and not filled with hate. That’s a step up from any Republican running. Bernie would be my choice, but I know that it would be too big of a push to get him there and screams of “socialist” would turn out the republican base.

      • BearEyes

        I know she’s not a progressive. And I realise that Carson and others use progressive as some sort of slur. I just don’t want to see any repub win.

  • John Kusters

    Please, oh please, oh please!!!! Run, Trump (as an independent), run!

  • Craig S

    It didn’t take a brain surgeon to realize our master plan

    • JT

      Fortunately, surgeons are like car mechanics with elephantiasis of the ego. Dexterity may be required, but not much intellect. Still, I’d not be happy placing myself in the “care” of this knucklehead.

      • ZhyKitty

        Ok, that guy is a total fucking douche, but please don’t say you don’t need much intellect to get through medical school, because that’s just not true. My daughter is in her 4th year of medical school at one of the top schools in our country, and I wouldn’t even be capable of learning what she knows. I see how hard she works and I have mad respect for anyone who is smart enough to learn all of that.
        He’s just proof that you can be book smart-intelligent and yet devoid of common sense and empathy at the same time.

        • Nychta

          As a coworker of mine once said, “Just because someone’s intelligent, doesn’t mean he’s smart.”

          • BudClark

            OR that he has a HEART.

        • gaymex

          …not to mention the stamina necessary to make it through. It’s too bad though that so many republicans go that route–I guess they see it as a gravy train. Most of the doctors I know are not only intelligent, but they do all kinds of humanitarian work and wouldn’t be caught dead in a BMW or a Mercedes.

        • Stephen Elliot Phillips

          I dated a hematologist…….smartest man i ever met. But he had a heart like black coal. Empathy was not in his vocabulary

          • ZhyKitty

            Sad, isn’t it?

        • 2karmanot

          exactly so

  • Michael Rush
  • Rex

    America will be gone as we know it – he says that like it’s a bad thing

    • clay

      I’d feel fine.

    • GC

      Good riddance to the oligarchy as we know it, and to unelected corporate government.

  • grada3784

    So much is going to destroy “America, as we know it”.
    Who knew “America, as we know it” was so damned fragile?


      Crystal America

      • grada3784

        I think more like Cellophane America.

    • Ben in Oakland

      It all depends on who is doing the talking, and the somewhat abstract belief or narrative that they are either selling, or have been sold. It’s sort of like quantum physics. It’s both there and not there and heading in the opposite direction at the same time.

      One narrative is that we are the bestest, most powerful, most blessed country the world has ever seen. A second narrative I s but we’re going to lose all that because we have been damned by God because: (pick one) drugs, sex, Obama, rock n roll, gay marriage, gay rights, women’s rights, Islam, Negro equality, you name it. Another is that it is our manifest destiny to be the biggest on the planet, the strongest, the most powerful, and any weakness and that will bring the whole thing down, because we have enemies everywhere. (I wonder why that might be?).

      I’m sure there are other stories that we tell ourselves, other narratives, but I’m tired. In any case, America must be be made to appear fragile, so that it can be made stronger again. And usually, someone who wants power, money, or religious dominion has the answer for that. And every time we buy into this mythology as a culture, we lose.

    • leDaver

      A person from the ’50s, magically appearing in 2015, would say that the America as he(or she) knew it did not exist. Even some-one from 20 years ago would notice a great many differences in the country.

      • grada3784

        Except this Carson clown fits neither of those.

        Let us know if you find anyone who does.

      • grada3784



    Memo to Ben: If you think an independent Presidential run by Trump would be horrible for the country, then it is your patriotic duty to drop out of the Republican race and work for a Trump GOP primary victory. If anything you say is actually true and you are not simply lying to gather Republican support for yourself. Of course as a ” Good Christian” , you would NEVER lie.

  • JT

    Maybe America as this ignorant, arrogant shithead knows it. And that is an ending to be wished!

  • marshlc

    America will be gone as we know it.
    and about goddamn time, too. Time to start actually living up to some of those ideals of the founding fathers.

    • Randy

      Um, what?

    • Randy

      Never mind – got it.

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    From the sublime of the comments to the base:

    You know that expression in that photo mirror’s Carson’s cum face, right?

  • fastlanestranger

    America as you know it IS gone, Ben. But so is reality…as you know it, Ben.

  • Chris Larosa

    I really have to wonder….like 200 years ago, did politicians of the time talk all this batshittery as well? I figure the greatest concern then was just keeping the sovereignty of the nation and not being attacked by some other country. Now…it’s The Gays, the ‘War on Christmas’, Caitlyn Jenner, birth certificates, and Latinos. The end of the nation as we know it is nigh I guess. Thanks for letting me know ahead of time!

    • LovesIrony

      the print industry during the Adams Jefferson election were every bit as sensationalistic without needing any proof of anything and were very nasty to their opposition

      • Suzy

        And then in 1828/1832 when Andrew Jackson went after everyone, dueling pistols in hand.

        ETA: Also see 1860, 1896, 1912, 1948, 1964.

    • Outlaw Woman

      Yeah, dirty elections are the American rule rather than the exception.

    • LonelyLiberal

      Yep. The first one or two were pretty clean, but after that, it devolved into the typical name calling and hyperbole. Check out the delightful “Daisy Girl” ad somebody posted yesterday.

      It seems to be a characteristic of elections.

      • Randy

        What I have learned from some of these right wingers on Discus: That Clinton and Obama travel to remote islands to have sex with underage girls and boys, respectively; that the top 1% pay far more taxes than anyone else; that anything the US could do to affect climate change would not matter; that abortion should be banned because everyone knows liberal women have 200% more unprotected sex than anyone else; that liberals routinely have orgies, which is why they want to have abortions; that liberals hate white people; that the reason so many black people are getting killed by the police is because they don’t speak nicely to the cops the way white people do…it is like opening a portal to insanity until you realize that these folks are voting.

    • CottonBlimp

      Before all that, it was slavery. Dixie can’t outright call for slavery anymore, so they’ve branched into other hatreds.

    • CPT_Doom

      We wouldn’t know about Sally Hemings if the papers of the day weren’t just as sensationalist.

    • MDB
    • Good Shot Green

      Chris Larosa? I know that name. Do you happen to be from New Jersey? Burlington County? MSHS class of 1992?

      • Chris Larosa

        Sorry no. CA…and a lot older. šŸ˜‰

  • Blake J Butler

    If he did run as a third party, and whomever the republican nominee is, it would give Hillary (most likely the democratic nominee) the safety net she needs, I think as long as Hillary plays her cards right, interacts with the public, call out her competition on their voting histories, and their actions they have made while in office, and takes popular stances within her party, then things may be well for her.

    However though, even if Trump was the republican nominee, and ran against Hillary, she should still be on top of her game, act like the election could easily be taken from her just like that. Kind of think of the old tale “the tortoise and the hare” and get full of yourself, and slack off, make common mistakes like that can cost you BIG TIME.

    BTW Carson doesn’t have a chance in hell in winning the nomination, he panders to a party that makes life harder for minorities like himself, he doesn’t care for how other African-Americans live. He’s out of touch with people from his own background. he doesn’t care about the lives of other African-Americans, to Carson his motto is “I got mine, so screw you” kind of attitude when it comes to improving the lives of people not as advantaged as Carson.

    • another_steve

      Yes. Of course. When the Republican base looks at Carson, they see the same n*gger they see when they look at President Obama.

      I thought Carson did pretty well last night, actually. He’s articulate and nice to look at. He has a gentle and reassuring voice.

      Too bad he’s a theofascist monster, just like the rest of them.

    • MDB

      Carson doesn’t think he is actually black ! šŸ˜‰

      • Blake J Butler

        I think of the character uncle Ruckus from the boondocks tv show/comic. He’s black but denounces black people, their stereotyped behaviors, etc. He suckers up to white people, mainly wealthy republicans, to get them to like him, but they see him as being inferior, capable of only being second best, solely based on his skin color. An ironic character in general.

        Carson on the other hand, benefited from social programs during his time growing up. The same kinds of government programs, he wants to take away. He is so out of touch, he has no idea how social programs actually help people. let alone he has no political experience or understanding of how to relate to different groups of people, and how this country is suppose to run efficiently. He is a Republican, the party of being exclusive, not inclusive. The party of billionaires, millionaires, and suckers.

      • BudClark


        Reminds me of a story about Kathleen Battle, a classmate of mine.

        She and Jessye Norman were recording at Carnegie.

        Suddenly there was a great uproar in Miss Battle’s dressing-room.

        She had received a review from Germany that called her “America’s premiere black soprano.”

        “BLACK! BLACK! BLACK! Is that all they can talk about?”

        Miss Norman sniffed and said,

        “‘Bout time SOMEBODY told her!”

        One of my fav Kathy Battle stories.

        • MDB

          Sweet and funny story, Bud ! Have you written anything that would be appropriate as a very festive organ prelude , or. Dynamic postlude for that matter? Or did you stick strictly with choral comp ? Anything choral I can recommend for our Cathedral choir to the Director ? She’s pretty hard headed and opinionated (full of herself) but sometimes is open to new music to add to her repertoire. It would be a kick to perform some of your compositions šŸ™‚
          Mark B.

  • Nic Peterson

    The American theocracy that we envision will be gone forever.

    There ya go, Benny. Fixed it for ya.

  • pickypecker
    • LonelyLiberal

      Isn’t it “nigh?” The end is always nigh.

      It’s like there’s a hurricane a-blowin’.

    • billbear1961


    • 2karmanot

      That’s what Trump’s gold toilet says every time the lid is lifted.

  • GunnaHurt

    of course he knows that and he’ll probably do that because he doesn’t really want to BE president but he DOES want to say that “I would have won had the Republicans nominated me.”

  • Webslinger
    • billbear1961

      Mad as in angry, or mad as in insane?

      I think BOTH.

  • Outlaw Woman

    Something tells me Donald Trump already understands quite clearly the consequences of a third party run for the Republicans.
    I am also quite certain Trump will use that threat as a bargaining chip to obtain a nice cabinet position or a cushy high-profile ambassadorship.

    • Homo Erectus

      What? Donald actually having a day job?

      • BudClark

        Ambassador to Andorra, I HOPE!

  • Dale

    I really don’t know if he realizes the seriousness of it, but we certainly realize the seriousness of what YOU want.

  • geoffalnutt

    I’m tingling and shaking in a pre-orgasmic bliss. Oh, please, please let The Don break off…if what you’re sayin’ is true, Ben.

  • Jmdintpa

    the problem is the progressives, the blacks , the gays, the independent women, the younger people.. will as usual sit on there ass come election day and the republican nominee just might win. they didnt vote in the last mid terms and look what happened.

    • i guess the problem for people who aren’t younger, gay, The Black independents is that they have a hard time understanding why how little has changed since turning out in huge numbers to elect the O the first time around.

      Dems promised all sorts of things back then, things that as of right now, are still waiting to materialize. ending the insanity of student loan debt (you can’t ever discharge it and they will take away your SS if you still owe when you qualify for SS). it took a loooong time to “shut down” Gitmo, which is technically still open. ending the wars? riiiight. i’ll just assume you’ve been paying attention to how much we still are spending, killing and dying in the ME. jobs? yeah, college graduates are so glad so many are being created… which pay a minimum wage and have no benefits. let’s not talk about banks, internet freedom, the environment, the failure to flush the govt of Bush’s hundreds of appointees and replacing them with progressives, being saddled with a mandatory “health care” bill for limited services instead of euro style single payer/no payer…

      i’m also amused at how quick our community majority is willing to forgive the dems for the incredibly slow pace they’ve taken when it comes to our issues. yeah! we can now legally marry! but still get fired in a majority of states for doing so, or just being ourselves.

      ask yourself, if you’re an unemployed black 20something with 50K in college debt and no prospects for a job that can pay off that bill, how motivated are you to vote? this is a harsh reality i really wish older The Whites “progressives” would wake up and face.

      • Jmdintpa

        everything you say is true.. however … you can vote republican.. and suffer even worse consequences and have even more right wing supreme court judges appointed or you can vote democrat and try in some ways to hold the dems feet to the fire… after all your long list of democrat failures it isnt all a disaster… or just sit home and not vote which really helps the conservatives….. the know the people who actually in their party platform have down that gay people are not due equal protection like all americans. you can sit home and allow religious fanatics to be voted into office who will enforce there religious dogma above the constitution. if you think the dems are slow in moving america forward…. sit home and not vote and when the conservatives get elected we will go in reverse yeah so the dems arent my favorite. they ran sorry ass charlie crist in florida… could there be any worse candidate..and there are lots of things they could do better but i will not sit home and hand the election to the loony bin .

  • LovesIrony

    Why, will you be going to prison and coming out gay?

  • bryan

    The republican party will be destroyed. But that is not really destruction, that’s an improvement.

    • Tor

      It is inevitable that they will have to rebuild themselves from scratch at some point, regardless.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Them fighting words. Should have said it in front of America last night with a larger audience.

  • joe ho

    it’s quite the opposite.

    if the gop gets to appoint the next few scotus judges, teacher-led prayer will return to public schools and the church/state separation which has been eroding since reagan will collapse.

    open season on lgbts and a proliferation of special rights for christers.

    • fuow

      Yup. If ever there was a reason to hold one’s nose and vote at every level, 2016 holds it.

      • Randy

        And vote for ANY Democrat, even though we will have good choices. It wasn’t always true, but just recently, the worst Democrat is better than any Republican.

        • bill weber

          Kool-Aid for all!

  • Ben in Oakland

    So many things are going to destroy America. Gay marriage. Donald trump. Another Negro in high office that’s not an idiot who can to brain surgery.

    But not citizens united, not Valero v. Buckley, not corporate welfare, not our interminable wars of choice, not our 18 trillion dollar debt, not our obsessions with both God and someone doing something with their dangly bits that someone else can’t stop thinking about.

    None of that fer sher.

  • kmcdevitt

    Hmm. I don’t think the Rs have a chance in hell regardless of what Trump does. Ds vote in presidential election years, and the Rs have spent the last 4 years completely alienating anyone even remotely connected to one of the D core constituencies. Even better if Trump DOES get the nod…

  • joe ho

    when is he going to perform a lobotomy on himself and make the world a better place?

  • Max_1

    History has had it’s T-Rex…
    … And now a T-Rump.

    • BudClark

      EEEWWW!!! That gave me a vision of something big, mushy, jiggly (pokery) and hairy, unless they transplanted all his butt hair to his butt-head.

  • 3ringquercus

    Wait, I thought gay marriage was going to destroy America (see “A Storm Is Gathering,” etc.) Did we not do a good enough job? We need to try harder, people.

    • canoebum

      The Donald’s Plan. Destroy America. Pick it up for liquidation value. Renovate, put his name on it and overcharge for the crappy buffet.

      • Homo Erectus

        Then file for bankruptcy.

        • Bad Tom

          Then go back to ‘pick up for liquidation value’. The cycle repeats.

          It’s worked for Trump four times before.

      • TKW

        Don’t forget all the cheezy brass ornamentationa and smokey glass. Will totally look like 1975.

        • clay

          Oh, so you’ve been to Atlantic City?

      • People4Humanity

        … and gold-plate all the metalwork.

    • fuow

      I’ve got a few hurricanes planned for the fall. You just wait.

  • Mark

    God that facial expression is a near dead ringer for Janet Porter —

    • TampaDink

      They both could be the advertising face for an incredible ad campaign for Dulcolax.ā„¢

    • MDB

      Now you did it, Mister. A pox on your house for mentioning that devil witch !!! I’ll see your Porter and raise you with prophetess Cindy Jacobs ! Take.that !!!!
      Bwahahahaha !!

    • Ha. You want worse, check out Janet Street-Porter šŸ˜›

      Then again, her worldview is NOTHING like the Christianist wench šŸ™‚

  • canoebum

    I don’t think the doctor understands the true extent of The Donald’s delusions. I’m quite certain he believes that, if forced to run as an independent, he’ll surely win.

    • Homo Erectus

      A legend in his own mind.

  • oikos

    Delicious. Trump has some vendetta against the repugs. I just have no idea what it is.

    ā€œI understand,ā€ Trump said multiple times. ā€œI can totally make that pledge if I am the nominee, I will not run as independent.ā€

  • CPT_Doom

    Oh Noes! Not Progressives. Those people fought slavery, got women the vote, supported equality for Jews and Blacks and Asians, and now want to attend fabulous weddings for same-sex couples. The horror!

  • bkmn

    So the Republicans might have to enter the 1960’s?

    • TampaDink

      Dragged. Kicking & screaming.

  • Gigi

    Translation: Ben Carson: The GOP As We Know It Will Be Destroyed By Independent Trump Run

    • GC

      And the problem with that is?…

      • Gigi


  • leastyebejudged

    We can only hope.

  • Max_1

    Maybe he can separate his conjoined halves of his brain…

  • Octavio

    The Ben Carson is a sad little man. No one really cares what he says or does. The GOP is not his friend. Nope.

    • gaymex

      For Carson to think that he is loved by the GOP means that he is even further out of touch with reality than the other idiots in the car. I keep hoping they gas up and pull a Thelma and Louise ending. Trump sounds ready.

  • D. J.

    Fox all but ignores Ben at the clown show, so he appears on their radio program.

  • David Walker

    OK. So what are the possibilities that if Trump starts a third party that the Trumpettes and Teabaggers will also run for federal offices, whether as senators or representatives? And if that’s the case, wouldn’t they also siphon votes from the endorsed republican candidates? I’m dreaming too much?

    • Make it so!

      • billbear1961

        Make it so!

        (Hello, Jay!)

        • hello billbear baby! taking a break from treatment, then back in a few. always love YOU though. boy them GP debates was some sick shit. xxx

          • billbear1961

            The very BEST of luck, always, Jay, from both of us!

            Lovely to see you posting!



          • BudClark

            BIG hugs from the sweltering desert!



          • billbear1961

            I hug you back, Bud, but didn’t you mean to say this to Jay?


          • BudClark

            Yeah, but I gots plenty to go round .

            Coffee IV line got tangled … haven’t had my first full pot yet .

          • billbear1961



        • BudClark


    • gaymex

      Such sweet dreams. I wish. I really do.

    • Reality.Bites

      I can’t imagine a single incumbent doing it

      • clay

        Huelskamp, Goehmert, at least one fool in the Southeast; they’ve already been thrown out of leadership positions by the GOP and have twice tried to unseat Boehner in the current term.

        • Reality.Bites

          No, you misunderstood me. I meant I can’t imagine a single incumbent doing “it.” šŸ˜‰

          • clay


  • billbear1961

    Oh, please let it be so! Please run as a third-party candidate, Trump! A progressive SCOTUS, at long last, on ALL issues!

    It’s almost too much to hope for–the Dawn of a NEW AGE, equal opportunity and justice for all–to cross the Rainbow Bridge into a truly progressive USA, FREE to emulate the sterling achievements of the Scandinavian social democracies, where cruelty and ignorance will be treated with the contempt they deserve and banished to brood in social and political oblivion!

    • zhera

      I’m afraid, BillyBear, that the Scandinavian countries aren’t as great as you paint them. Sure, millions times better than any GOP USA, but there are some nasty people here, also in politics, that want to turn our region into a mini version of USA.
      And they get elected. šŸ™

      • billbear1961

        The corporate fascists are everywhere, it seems, and they learn from the sick madness they see in the States!


        Similar SOBs are at work in Canada, Zhera–evil, greedy, mendacious and MAD!

        We have a chance to kick them out of government in October!

        We are hopeful, but I’m nervous that the divided opposition may screw up and saddle us with yet another Harper government.

        This arrogant and evil man–who has shown nothing but contempt for parliamentary democracy–has begun to put bad people on the courts without the usual oversight normally permitted in parliament–which is a serious break with civilized tradition in this country–because the courts have been the most successful at putting a stop to his most egregious and unconstitutional plans, and he means to put an end to that!

        His poisonous grip on power MUST be broken if there is to be any hope of Canada being CANADA again!

        • I suppose it’s easy to say it from the other side of the Pacific, but bad as he is, Harper (and his enablers) are but a temporary phenomenon. Hopefully one with an October use-by date.

    • I think it was Beecham who reported that when the Valhalla motive appears here his orchestra always used to quietly sing, “Thank God, for soon we can go home!” (As well they might, having been playing non-stop for well over two hours.)

      Of course the Rhinemaidens know the triumph is hollow — theirs are the last (official) words in the opera: “Base and bad are the Gods above….” Hat tip to you, Bear!

      If you’re in a Ring mood this coming week, the ABC is broadcasting and streaming the current Bayreuth production over this coming week, starting at 7pm on Sunday night (AEST). Details here:

      • billbear1961

        OUR rainbow bridge must take us into a secure and genuine democracy, Roger, where right-wing propaganda will be exposed for what it is and rendered toothless, where reason and facts are respected, and cruelty and lies despised, where there will be real and lasting HOPE for a JUST future in a country which can at long last–her poisonous right finally punished and forced to amend its psychotic ways by an angry electorate–take her place with her progressive allies in the Hall of Civilization, in the gleaming Palace of the Enlightenment Triumphant.

        I raise my hat to you, and will look into the Wagner!


        • Meant to say it’s ABC FM radio, of course! I’m not sure whether they’ll enable the Listen Again buttons for Bayreuth; I hope they will.

  • Alencon

    Actually, America as Delusional Carson “remembers” it, should be gone.

    • matt n

      he’s got a very short memory. he must have forgot about the ladder once he climbed aboard. now he wants to kick it away.

  • Patrick

    One thing is abundantly clear Mr. King, You do not know

  • OH! MY! GAWDZ!! A mouse farted! ‘Murica is DESTROYED!!!

    You’d think by now they’d learn that that tape loop is warped and nobody is listening.

  • Sporkfighter

    Not America, just the Republican Party as we know it.

  • Brian in Valdosta

    Don’t’cha just love how being “progressive” (i.e. looking toward and moving into a brighter, better future) is somehow a negative thing for these dust-encrusted, spider-web-festooned lunatics?

  • Better than ‘Thugs’ like you.

    • i look forward to the day when “thugs” means “republican assholes and hypocrites” in most people’s minds more than it does “black men.”

      • In this case, it means both.

        And damn properly, too.

      • It doesn’t mean black men at all, it’s something much worse than thug or hoodlum. Just like what he means when he says ‘progressives’.

  • amati1684

    How did you like that circuitous non-answer to the waterboarding question? In one comment he managed to betray the Hippocratic Oath, which he no doubt raised his hand and and took, and the ancient spiritual principle known as the Golden Rule, from the religion he so noisily claims to follow. To him the Geneva Conventions are mere “political correctness.” The only good thing is that he hasn’t a prayer of getting in the White House unless he’s wearing a visitor’s badge.

  • Randy

    Poor Ben. Never made an intelligent comment, never will. Do tell us again about gay people “choosing”, Ben.

  • Silver Badger

    His America will be gone. Mine will be doing just fine. I can’t help but consider this a good thing.

    • zhera

      HIS America never existed.

      • Silver Badger

        I believe that HIS America is a delusion shared by too many of his fellow Republicans.

  • MikeBx2

    Yeah, in the 50’s and 60’s there were quite a few wanting to hang onto “America as we know it” also.

  • MikeBx2

    It’s a bit confusing to me that my So. Baptist family, according to their FB posts, are crazy about this guy. I mean you’d think they’d be pulling for Huckabee or Walker. But no, it’s the 7th Day Adventist who’s grabbed their liking. Go figure.

  • Galvestonian

    Yo Ben, America as you only think you know it. You see, that America – the sellout, power hungry, lieing, bigoted, faux Christian, faux conservative, big mouthed, Republican American only exists in that hazy memory of grifters and con-men fighting for power and money in the political arena that will say anything and do anything to get to that rarified place in the upper echelons and good graces of Government so that you can attempt to deny the average American any benefits while giving the country away to BIG BUSINESS and the one percenters.

    • Octavio

      Great second sentence! You win the interweb thingy Faulkner award for the week.* šŸ™‚

      *Also, I agree with you 110%

  • RJ Tremor

    America as you want it to be rather than America as it is now, and at that, the America that exists as it is will, in turn, become a better place by destroying what overbearing and control-hungry conservatives have already laid in place. That, Ben, is a full-fledged Grumpy Cat GOOD.

  • Robert Adams

    Nixon, Reagan, Bush the younger, and Carson is worried about Progressives? Funny how those who support the GOP have never bothered to check the correlation of the health of their stock portfolios with the Party in the White House. If they ever do, boy will they be surprised.

  • Blake Jordan

    Do the right thing Trump…

    Run as an independent!

  • Ben the Magic Negro.

    Hey, it worked for El Rushbo.

  • The Professor

    Stupid ass Uncle Tom.

  • LAguy323

    Ben Carson and Clarence Thomas can start an Uncle Tom’s Club for disenfranchised negro conservatives. Herman Cain’s bringing the pizza. Michael Steele bringing the Oreos. Clarence is bringing the Cokes (pubes not included).

  • matt n

    ok, this guy doesn’t get to be black anymore. he doesn’t realize what this country would be like without the progressive supreme courts that allowed us to move forward on civil rights. get me some white out.

  • matt n

    he continues to belie the commonly held belief that brain surgeons and rocket scientists are smart.

  • Lindoro Almaviva

    Like Trump’s ego will listen to anyone that is basically saying “Trump, you need to exercise restraint. Trump is willing to bet his ego and his fortune; hell if he could purchase the presidency, he would eat crackers and ketchup for a year to do it.

    Carson, I hope he does run as a 3rd party candidate, because that is exactly what your little friends on the “christian” right suggested several of you guys do it. #welcometoCarefulWhatYouWishForville

  • Mikey

    since when has the word “progressive” meant something bad?

    “oh my god! if he wins it will give the country to the intelligent people!”

    I don’t know, none of what these Rethuglikkkans say makes sense to me.

  • Ben, be quiet and sit down, you’re never going to be the Republican pick to run for president. Bible-Thumper-in-Chief has already been done to death this century. Just ask the thousands of soldiers whose caskets were returned to these shores from Iraq under cover of darkness.

  • BudClark

    Pastafarius, make it so!

    Today’s America NEEDS to die an unlamented death, to be replaced by the vision of the Founders. Yes, they didn’t get everything right, but we’re getting there.

    I never DREAMED I would see marriage equality or a knock-down, drag-out fight for our other civil rights.

    Well, it’s here, folks. Time to get your political knuckles skinned and bloody (metaphorically, speaking, of course) … though I’d LIKE to take a 2×4 to the Reich side of the aisle, I won’t.

    • matt n

      they’re losing… slowly but surely they are finally losing.

  • “America will be gone as we know it.”

    That’s what we’ve all been working for the past two hundred years.

    • matt n

      amen to that. i want us to remake ourselves as canada

      • Reality.Bites

        Don’t copy our weather. I’m warning you in advance. Also, don’t let in anyone named Cruz. It will only end in tears.

        • matt n

          i live in rochester, ny… so, unfortunately, we’ve already got the same weather here… just more snow on the south side of the lake and a lot less fun things to do than in toronto.

  • Mow

    America as we know it will be destroyed by a Trump run. So says Ben Carson.

    “if we can redefine marriage as between two men or two women or any other way based on social pressures as opposed to between a man and a woman, we will continue to redefine it in any way that we wish, which is a slippery slope with a disastrous ending, as witnessed in the dramatic fall of the Roman Empire.” -Ben Carson, America the Beautiful: Rediscovering What Made This Nation Great.

    *checks the world map*

    Sorry, Doc… looks like the good ol’ US of A is still there. Thanks for the warning(s), though.

  • NMNative

    I hope he doesn’t.

  • Happy Dance

    We need to destroy America as we know it and rebuild on solid principles of treating everyone like a citizen, reducing pay for politicians (a job you are elected to do), term limits for Congress and SCOTUS, and bring jobs back to the USA for our people to support their families instead of the Chinese supporting theirs.

  • Richard

    Megan Kelly goes after Trump in the so called debate, the rest of the clowns on stage see blood in the water and start piling on Trump….. no respect, right? Trump gets really pissed he’s not being respected says f**k you guys and runs an independent campaign…Hillary wins šŸ™‚ I love it !

  • 2karmanot

    Is it true that Dr. Carson eats brains?

  • Matt in PDX

    “I’m hoping that he will at some point come to an understanding that…”

    Don’t be naive, Ben! Trump doesn’t come to understandings. He’s never come to an understanding in his life. Understanding is for losers!

  • Queequeg

    On this point, he is correct, which I think is a good thing. Ben Carson, however, came off as crazy during the debate. He never answered a question, just went right into rambling on about nothing relevant to the question.

  • TexPlant

    No more from the anti-obama