TRAILER: Stonewall

Clip recap:

STONEWALL is a drama about a fictional young man caught up during the 1969 Stonewall Riots. Danny Winters (Jeremy Irvine) is forced to leave behind friends and loved ones when he is kicked out of his parentโ€™s home and flees to New York. Alone in Greenwich Village, homeless and destitute, he befriends a group of street kids who soon introduce him to the local watering hole The Stonewall Inn; however, this shady, mafia-run club is far from a safe-haven. As Danny and his friends experience discrimination, endure atrocities and are repeatedly harassed by the police, we see a rage begin to build. This emotion runs through Danny and the entire community of young gays, lesbians and drag queens who populate the Stonewall Inn and erupts in a storm of anger. With the toss of a single brick, a riot ensues and a crusade for equality is born.


(Tipped by JMG reader Adam)

  • TK

    Are the drag queens gonna take issue with not being front and center in movie/trailer? All the drag queens I know lecture the hell out of me about the drag community’s involvement in Stonewall

    • Rubster

      Watch the original 1995 version starring Guillermo Diaz. This looks like a remake with less drag queens.

    • They are already taking issue with the movie on some other web sites. They feel their role is marginalized.

      • Gustav2

        In the screen capture Joe used, not one drag queen. WTF?

    • GunnaHurt

      yeah, drag queens are pretty famous for claiming the Stonewall was a drag bar (it wasn’t) and that it was some army of Tootsie Rebels throwing bricks (it wasn’t). Drag queens weren’t really welcome there. Yes, there were cross dressers but it wasn’t really the big Wigstock that some drag queens would have you believe.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Good good, but I wonder how many 100’s of miles I will have to travel to see it.

    • Circle Thomas

      Well, considering it’s directed by the same guy who did Independence Day, among other blockbusters, it should be a reasonably wide release.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        That sounds encouraging, but “reasonably wide release ” wont include the rusty bible belt.

        • DaveDocSC

          Yea. That is what I was thinking. Here in South Carolina it will be released in September 2017, maybe. Guess I can drive to Atlanta ;-(

      • pablo

        That explains the scene where the giant spaceship hovers over the bar and then laser blasts it.

        • LOL Pablo you just made me crack up bad. thanks for the comment of the day.

  • I am reading some comments elsewhere dissing the movie because its too “vanilla” and because a good looking wholesome boy from Kansas (in the movie) is the star draw — Jeremy Irvine . As far as I’m concerned, if this will help get the movie in mainstream theaters, and gain an audience for those who want to see the gorgeous young star, so be it — the more people who see the movie the better it is to raise awareness for what happened even if it is not that realistic.I have found that most people under the age of 30, gay or straight (or whatever), have no idea what Stonewall is actually about.

    • Jeremy Irvine, Star of Stonewall

    • pangelboy

      >I have found that most people under the age of 30, gay or straight (or whatever), have no idea what Stonewall is actually about.

      And if they watched this white-washing they still won’t. But, white-washing history is par for the course when it comes to the media.

      • pablo

        This guy rejects reality and substitutes his own.

      • Steven Leahy

        You might actually want to research Stonewall before you run your mouth about race and “whitewashing”. Look at the pictures – lots of white faces no matter how much that pains you.

        • pangelboy

          I didn’t know “Four pictures found by user Steven Leahy from google images (one of which is taken from behind)” was such an authoritative historical record.

          Got any more pictures of “white faces”? You seem to think they’re pretty damn important to show.

          • Steven Leahy

            It’s proof that all your posturing and BS racebating is a lie. The mix present as I already stated in two posts was a combination of several races and ethnicities but certainly was not devoid of white faces, no matter how much you wish to pretend otherwise. I choose to think it’s about a movement that all types of people within our community participated in and not about letting it degenerate in some pissing contest about which demographic component threw the first brick.

            You’re the one who seems to have her panties in a wad over a white guy seemingly having a central role in the riot. Maybe he did? Maybe he didn’t? Who fucking cares. But there’s no denying white males were a major component of the movement there.

            How about YOU prove your case?

            What I posted BTW is archival footage from the actual fucking event, freely available with a simple search.

          • Schlukitz

            It would be interesting to know pangleboy’s age?

          • Steven Leahy

            I’m betting pretty YOUNG.

          • Schlukitz

            Same here.

          • pangelboy

            >but certainly was not devoid of white faces, no matter how much you wish to pretend otherwise.

            I never claimed that there were no white men at the Stonewall Inn (like wut?). But, this movie is white-washing an event that was, as you said, “…a combination of several races and ethnicities…”.

            Erasing the important contributions of people and color and non-binary folk to the Stonewall Riots is shameful and embarrassing. Hollywood can cast all the pretty little white muscle mary’s they want, but it doesn’t change the historical record.

  • robirob

    Wow. the movie looks epic.

  • Circle Thomas

    I’m not sold on the movie, but man do I love that Seinabo Sey track their using for the music.

  • Essus

    As lovely as is it to see history directly involving gays and lesbians getting movie treatment – where the hell are the drag queens? From my understanding it was not some corn fed young men who stepped up- but the drag queens, lesbians and odd folk? Granted some artistic license etc etc but this sanitizing of where we came from is rather disturbing. As much as I love the normalizing of who we are and what we do, this almost smacks of revisionist nincompoopery i.e. there is no history except that which is cornfed, white and masculine. Just based on the trailer- this is a big old miss for me – I’ll wait for the 99 cent bin. And for disclosure, I am as suburban white sweater gay as you get and this is as important as any other part of the LGBT history of the 20th century and I would hope they would try for something more than a vague nod to accuracy in the events. It ties into the yearly post of Watching the Defectives.

    • Gustav2

      Looks like a gay ‘Footloose.’

    • Cousin Bleh

      Drag queens’ participation in Stonewall is wildly overstated. Sylvia Rivera herself has said that drag queens weren’t really welcome at Stonewall.

      • Schlukitz

        Next the “historians” will be telling us that the leather crowd’s participation in the Spike, The Eagle and the Tool Box was wildly overstated too. LOL

    • Matt in PDX

      Why the need for a fictional protagonist at all? Don’t the people who ACTUALLY participated in the riots–many of them queens, people of colour, lesbians, etc.–deserve to have their story told? If the filmmakers were scared that the audience wouldn’t ‘relate’ to misfits like that, then I fear this movie will be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

      • MarkOH

        That was my thought. Why focus the movie on a muscly mid western kid? It is a mixture of “Hair” and “Footloose”. Isn’t the real story interesting enough?

        • GunnaHurt

          not really. They tried that about 15 years ago and the movie was about as exciting as watching pain dry.

          • pj

            pain never dries

          • GunnaHurt

            I fucking hate auto-correct.

          • GunnaHurt

            But… that’s going to be the title of my next album because that’s RAD.

      • KT

        It’s the way the film industry works – Hollywood just doesn’t think film audiences will see films without white male leads. Every time a movie with a female lead or a lead of color does well at the box office Hollywood is so shocked to see it happen (despite it happening ALL THE TIME). So instead of having a film from the point of view of a young black queer activist or a butch lesbian or a Hispanic drag queen or GOD FORBID, someone slightly overweight, we have yet another young white masculine stud to be our lead.

        The thing is, this is the type of movie to take that “risk” and cast a person of color in the lead. Let’s be honest – a gay right movie with no famous leads is not going to do well at the box office. Sure, the director is famous but for disaster movies. So since the mainstream is most likely going to stay away anyway, why not think outside the box and cast a lead who is not a “typical” leading man type.

        • Matt in PDX

          Yep. Speaking as a middle-class cisgender not-super-femmy white male, I’m SO tired of Hollywood assuming that I won’t see a movie with a main character who doesn’t look and act like me.

          That’s why some of my favourite films of the past few years (“Selma”, “Fruitvale Station”, “Wadjda”) were films that dared to tell stories about people whose stories are usually never told. Such a breath of fresh air.

      • JT

        There’s an excellent documentary about Stonewall called Stonewall Uprising, produced a few years ago.

    • GunnaHurt

      Drag queens will try to convince you that the Stonewall was having a benefit performance for the “Friends of Dorothy” who were a “national drag troupe” (as if that existed in 1969) and that it was all drag queens and cross dressers who were fighting. That’s just not accurate. It’s honestly a bit homophobic to say that the only reason that the gays finally stood up was that drag queens had their Judy Garland show interrupted.

      • GarySFBCN

        I’ve read a lot about Stonewall in my LGBT history classes. Nobody ever said that it was about a show being interrupted.

        Most texts indicate that Garland’s funeral the day before was an emotional drain and the police actions were part of a combined tipping-point.

        • GunnaHurt

          Oh Iv’e had more than a few uninformed loud-mouth youngsters tell me that “Judy Garland Memorial show” thing. The slander that it took Judy Garland’s death to upset the gays is also absurd and homophobic. they were street kids, they didn’t care about Judy Garland.
          It would be like saying “the street kids in New York were so angry about Celine Dion’s death that they started a riot.”

    • teeveedub

      It would be nice if the truth were told. No trivialization, no sensationalization, no whitewashing. But I fear there will be a surging score, soft-focus lenses, and rewritten history.

    • Steven Leahy

      Chances are it was a combination of all of the above groups, maybe even including a corn fed guy or two (oh no!)…I will watch it and save my judgment for that time. I would love to hear from someone who was actually THERE who can speak to it but we just have a lot of speculators who, uh, weren’t.

      • Schlukitz

        Speaking as someone who was there (I am currently 78 going on 79), I have learned that there are people who are going to believe what they want to believe and I have had more than my share of younger, know-it-alls telling me that I am “full of shit” when I recount what actually came down during the several nights of rioting at Stonewall or told “Why don’t you just lay down and die, old man?”

        Why even bother?

        • Six Pins Delores

          I would like to hear of your experience.

          • Matt in PDX

            Me too.

          • Steven Leahy

            Same here.

          • Schlukitz

            This is probably the most factual accounting of the Stonewall Riots that I have come across, SPD and Steven Leahy and Matt in PDX and is pretty much the way that I recall it coming down.

            Craig Rodwell, a friend of mine who opened the Oscar Wilde Bookshop on Christopher just a few doors down from the Stonewall Inn, and I both witnessed the event from a safe distance (neither of us actually participated in it) and it was Craig who went back to his shop to call the major newspapers to report what was happening.

            http://americablog.com/2013/01/amazingly-bigoted-1969-ny-daily-news-article-on-the-gay-stonewall-riots.html

            I remember gritting my teeth angrily reading that bitchy, disgusting, anti-gay Daily News editorial about the Stonewall Riots. It typified America’s prevailing attitute toward all homosexuals at that time, not just the drag queens and fems.

            We’ve come a long way, baby.

          • uhhuhh

            Has the Daily News ever apologized for that piece of shit editorial or at least addressed it?

          • Schlukitz

            That’s an interesting question for which I don’t have an answer.

            Considering that the Daily News is little better than the National Enquirer and other rags like it, I highly doubt it.

          • Cousin Bleh

            Wow, from “speaking as someone who was there” to “wasn’t actually a participant” in just two comments. Impressive.

          • Schlukitz

            Wow. Why the snark? Is reading comprehension a toughy for you?

            Obviously many people were present and observed what was going on without actually tossing bricks through windows or violently engaging with the police.

            What part of that do you not understand or are you just looking to provocate and stir the shit?

    • Six Pins Delores

      Oh be quite and be a good consumer

    • Schlukitz

      Next thing we know, Hollywood will do a movie depicting the Spike bar as a place where straight, leather-wearing, motorcycle-riding Hells Angels congregated for a beer or two. LOL

  • nycphoenix

    Yes apparently corporate Gay Hollywood has to create a fictional white Midwestern boy to build their movie on instead of building it on the Butch Lesbian that was one of the first to resist arrest, or the Black and Latino street transfolk that threw rocks, Molotov cocktails and uprooted parking meters and met the riot police with a chorus line.

  • CPT_Doom

    Pluses in my book:

    1) The journey from small town America to NYC to find one’s “people” is a pretty common one among the Stonewall veterans interviewed for the American Experience documentary “Stonewall Uprising” so that doesn’t bother me.
    2) The movie does appear to have at least some drag queens and it does appear that they include the unknown lesbian who really motivated the crowd
    3) The movie appears to include Randolph Wicker, one of the crossover early “homophile” activists, who joined the Mattachine Society of NYC, but wanted something more confrontational (the character that appears to be mentoring our young hero on gay oppression).

    Minuses:

    1) Hero is a corn-fed white boy
    2) Corn-fed white boy appears to throw the first brick at Stonewall and that is just wrong (my fervent hope is that the scene is a fantasy one, taking place in his head as he decides to join in the already-started riot)

    • KT

      CPT, even though I haven’t seen the movie, I can guarantee the corn-fed white boy will be shown throwing the first brick and starting the riots. Everything I know about Hollywood tells me that will be the case.

      • MattM

        Yep. No doubt about it. But everyone knows white, straight-acting gay guys are the people responsible for advancing LGBT rights.

      • Yes he is doing this in the preview. And his hot arms and lats stretch just enough in his tight tee shirt to make the audience swoon.

      • Jesse

        …really.. ugh

    • Steven Leahy

      How about we just watch it when it comes out and take it for what it is instead of assigning pluses and minuses based on racial biases based on 2015 PC? Reality is there was probably a broad mix of people there and no one really knows what color/gender the person who threw the first brick was and it really doesn’t matter. Are we not all in this together? Is it only valid if a nonwhite drag queen is throwing the first brick? Who fucking cares?

      • because it’s brave to throw the first brick. that person (people who were there say it was a lesbian) deserves credit.

        i’ve been to a few protests in my day. it’s one thing to march, it’s another thing to start a scrap with police. the first person to do so usually gets the shit beat out of them.

  • Octavio

    I watched the trailer. I watched it twice. My only impression, “Fame does Stonewall!”

    • Craig S

      I would expect the production numbers to be well done.

      • Schlukitz

        Especially where all the “Girls” link arms and kick their heels up, ala Rockettes-style, at the police officers. LOL

        A pity that Edith Head is not still alive to have done the costumes and Ballanchine, sexist that he was, to choreograph the dancing.

        I jest. I jest.

    • Ray

      It’s a teen flick.

  • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

    There will be a lot of pressure for the film to be historically accurate, which is a can’t-win situation because even eyewitnesses that were there don’t completely agree on the details or with the various professional historians’ accounts.

    • Time Warper

      And half or more of the witnesses are lying about even being there.

      • Schlukitz

        And you know this for a fact?

    • Cousin Bleh

      This exactly. I’ve read numerous accounts of Stonewall and watched several documentaries. PBS’s “Stonewall Uprising” from 2011 is particularly good.

      Most accounts differ. Several people who claimed to be there weren’t.

      What most people know about Stonewall at this point has been embellished or fabricated. It’s all become a nice legend. My favorite Stonewall myth is that gays rioted that night because they were upset that Judy Garland died. That’s silly. The street kids and hustlers who went to Stonewall didn’t give two shits about Judy Garland.

    • The real pressure for this film is going to be to make money. That is what this is all about; nothing is altruistic and truth takes a back seat to the number of tickets sold and to how much money will be generated in film rentals. Maybe I am being too mercenary here, but this is what it is all about — and if someone did not think that LGBT people and their struggle were fashionable in certain quarters right now, this movie would have never been made.

  • royinhell

    Bland cute white boy saves the gays? I think I’m passing on this schlock.

    • Webslinger

      I need to see the REAL minorities that were present…I have enough of the truth that this Hollywood movie does not fill the void…

  • Webslinger
    • Gerry Fisher

      That was good. One thing jumped out at me: the video showed a lot more white people than current lore would have you believe were involved.

    • BobSF_94117

      Some of those photos look like they’re from the White Night riot.

  • Webslinger
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    • TJay229

      How dare you disturb Hollywood’s narrative that a saltine started the uproar. LMBAO

  • ikahana

    I simply am not going to be able to take the shrill voices of the very young complaining that once again the “true story” that only the very young are convinced they know is not accurately being portrayed, which is not to say that it is accurately being portrayed but I find leftist revisionism as bothersome and dangerous as right-wing revisionism.

    • James

      Maybe try that again with punctuation.

    • uhhuhh

      In which way are they mistaken? Just curious what you’re reacting to.

      • ikahana

        I wasn’t there, but from the very few photos that exist and they various reports I’ve read it is impossible to know who “threw the first stone” (or brick, or glass, or keys). And while there were clearly people of color there, and Queens there, it is difficult to describe people as trans- or gender fluid using 2015’s definitions and identities, and Stonewall wasn’t just the result of one group of folks – however it started, it was the result of everyone coming TOGETHER to fight back.

        And again, I wasn’t there. I’m just going by what I’ve seen in the very few photos that exist and the few eye witness accounts and news stories I’ve seen and read. But it is as inaccurate to say that it was a revolution by trans people of color as it is to say it was gay, white men. Neither is accurate. Clearly. And if it was just one group it probably would have lasted about 30 minutes, not several nights.

        • uhhuhh

          Yes, the photos I’ve seen certainly have plenty of young white guys in them, some young black and Latino men as well, and the occasional drag queen.

          I agree that there has been a deliberate political effort to not merely ensure that the drag queens are included in the historical narrative, but to basically write the white gay guys out of it. What started as a laudable effort at inclusion and diversity is, in a number of areas, metastasizing into a reverse-erasure.

          • pangelboy

            >but to basically write the white gay guys out of it.

            lmao. Poor gay white men.

            Don’t worry, they’ve made a movie about Stonewall with a member of the oppressed gay white male majority as the central protaganist and hero.

            Wouldn’t want them to feel left out.

          • pablo

            Yes those white gay guys who are almost entirely responsible for you having any rights at all.

          • pangelboy

            What does misrepresenation have to do with gay white men being “almost entirely responsible for [my] having any rights ata all.”?

            (Which is a dubious claim)

            You sound like a supremacist.

          • pablo

            You sound like a shithead.

          • pangelboy

            Sure there isn’t anything else you’d like to call me? ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • pablo

            An ingrate? Taking a shit on the people who fought for the rights you now enjoy?

          • pangelboy

            I’m so sorry for not giving white men their proper credit. Could you ever forgive me?

            http://media.giphy.com/media/GynTR9jOo9MFq/giphy.gif

          • uhhuhh

            As I’ve said elsewhere in this comment board, the movie trailer looks too white to me, and I don’t like the choice of lead.

            Actually, I think you would want them to feel left out, which is why you’re resorting to this pathetic effort at bullying.

            The event wasn’t the greatest gathering of a black trans folks ever in one place up to that time. Sorry, you’ve been sold a load of spin by some activists with their own modern political agenda.

          • pablo

            Check your factual privilege shitlord! This is the 21st century. In the new history, cis-white-men only do evil stuff. Everything good came from differently abled genderqueers of color.

          • John T

            Oh dear, Reddit appears to be leaking.

          • Schlukitz
    • Schlukitz

      I hear you, ikahama.

      “And it puzzle me to learnThat tho’ a man may be in doubt of what he know
      Very quickly he will fight
      He’ll fight to prove that what he does not know is so”

      Right now, I am doing the exact same thing that you are doing in your profile pic. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • KT

    I have to say, those actors in the promo pic clean up pretty well considering they are supposed to be portraying homeless street kids.

  • another_steve

    Pride did not “begin” with Stonewall, contrary to what the trailer says. That’s an insult to the many brave women and men activists who paved the way for Stonewall in the decades leading up to the 1969 riots.

    The modern, more assertive Gay Rights Movement can be said to have begun with Stonewall, but not “pride.”

    • ian

      Good point. It is important to learn about, acknowledge and appreciate the brave men and woman who organized for and promoted LGBT rights in the years prior to Stonewall, but this is the moment that made the biggest impact. Pride marches began for the 1st time the following year.

    • Cousin Bleh

      The “Pride” that the trailer is referring to is a specific event (with a capital P) that occurs every year in June and typically includes a parade, not general “pride” as in I’m proud to be gay.

      Stonewall absolutely was the impetus for Pride parades and celebrations that began in June 1970.

    • Schlukitz

      As usual, Mary, Mary, quite contrary has to thow her wet towel on and her worthless two-cents in to another subject that he obviously never participated in and knows nothing about.

      While there was indeed, a gay movement prior to the riot, Stonewall did, in fact, kick-off Gay Pride as we have been celebrating it all these years since 1970.

      But, never let those pesky facts stand in the way of your bloviations, Steve.

      • What about the Philadelphia events? Those started in ’65, I thought?

        • Schlukitz

          You’re absolutely right. They did. And that fact has been acknowledged that there were many organizations that existed prior to Stonewall, such as the Mattachine Society, Daughters of Bilitis, etc.

          But, as has been pointed out by several on this thread, the term “Pride” and “Pride Parade” came about as a result of Stonewall.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pride

    • GarySFBCN

      Actually the pride parade and pride events did indeed begin with Stonewall as celebrations of the anniversary of the Stonewall riots.

      • The celebration at the end of June that marks the Stonewall Riots was called the Christopher Street Liberation Day Parade for several years.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    Are there any people here who were involved in the riots? I think I’d be more interested in their story.

    • billbear1961

      The best film on the Titanic, ever, was the old 1958 A Night to Remember, which was true to events (as they were known in the 50s).

      They felt no need to invent elaborate fictional characters with fictional plot lines the way they did, for example, in the Cameron film.

      I don’t understand the American or Hollywood need for BS.

      EDIT: That recent film about the Iran hostages was even worse, downplaying the vital role Canadians played and grossly exaggerating the role of American intelligence, which, in their cowboy arrogance, almost put the whole operation at risk, and more than once.

      But I believe it was felt that Americans would not be interested in the truth and perhaps might even have their sensitive noses put out of joint by it.

      • Making money in Hollywood is everything. Movies like Selma and Stonewall can be made today– but they have better damned recoup production costs in the process. If truth is bent a bit to satisfy a perceived need to bring an audience in, this is how it is. And publicity, positive or even negative, is what counts most of all.

        • billbear1961

          Yes, money, money, money, money–always MONEY.

          • Welcome to America 2015. Money is power and those without it don’t have any. And those who can’t make more money for those who control it can’t go anywhere. The privileged youth who graduate the ivy league schools want to be hedge fund managers (there was a poll, this came up as #1 career goal of graduates). This is what we have become. Sad, isn’t it?

          • billbear1961

            I would suggest they remember the guillotine, Eddi.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        I’ve seen the old film and I agree; events were dramatic enough with embellishment. It’s the same reason why we are changing AP history classes; Americans need to believe in their own myth. And, we can’t believe others can be a good as we are. Which is nonsense.

      • Desmond Rutherford

        As I have said before; if the real Titanic had sunk in water as shallow as the plot of the Cameron version, then all the crew and passengers could have walked home.

        • billbear1961

          ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Schlukitz

        I’ve watched that film and you are right. It’s the best film on the Titanic, ever.

        I just ordered a DVD copy of it from Amazon for my video collection.

        Thanks for the nudge. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • John Kusters

    It’s bound to be better than Michael Bay’s upcoming Benghazi movie… ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I’m okay (not thrilled, but okay) with some fictionalization about historic events in film. No popular movie will ever get all of the details right, but this is the start of education, and those who find themselves curious will do more research and learn the deeper truths.

    • Sk3ptic

      Couldn’t believe it when I saw the trailer for the Benghazi movie. Ugh.

      • John Kusters

        I have no idea which way it will be biased (I assume there will always be a bias), but given how the right-wing latched on to the sniper movie as if it were literal history, I expect the same will happen with any Benghazi movie that hints at an impotent Presidency or State Department.

      • pablo

        Yeah I don’t remember Hillary actually being there and inciting the crowds of Libyans. That doesn’t seem right.

  • dalnat

    Oh lawd, Ron Perlman! (at 0:54)

    • uhhuhh

      Hehe

  • uhhuhh

    This seems like a colossally bad idea. I fear that Hollywood is incapable of doing justice to the incident. Is this going to be Oliver Stone “history”?

  • uhhuhh

    But one thing that does come through….

    Fucking NYPD!

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    My comment was as follows…..

    • billbear1961

      Well done, and said, Jean-Marc!

    • uhhuhh

      Your account is heavily contested. The few photos I’ve seen show a sizable proportion of young white gay men. Erasing and belittling them is just as bad. You may be comparing the movie to a fictional hyper-PC version of the facts.

      • billbear1961

        Well, J-M says trans/drag queens were in the forefront, and Will K. mentions a lesbian named Stormy as having been the one who “threw the first punch.”

        Weren’t most of the drag queens young white men?

        • uhhuhh

          I meant non-trans gay men. Will Kohler has a good comment above on this. He can speak more authoritatively to it than I can.

          • billbear1961

            I get terribly confused by the terms in use!

            I took trans/drag queens to mean BOTH, trans and drag queens. (Of course, the slash would seem to indicate otherwise, i.e. drag queens who were trans.)

            I assumed–thought–most of the drag queens were young gay white men.

            What did trans mean in 1969?

            There were transvestites and drag queens, but, honestly, how many people were transitioning, in the sense we use that word today, in 1969?

          • Schlukitz

            “Transgender people were also heavily involved in the Stonewall Riots of 1969 at the Stonewall Inn in New York. These riots are widely considered to have begun the LGBT rights movement in America. Transgender activists Sylvia Rivera and Miss Major Griffin-Gracy were among those involved.[15][16]”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_transgender_people_in_the_United_States

          • pablo

            Funny how trans got drag queens kicked out of Glasgow Pride, but when drag queens do something positive they suddenly claim them as trans.

          • uhhuhh

            I agree. I’ve made that same point. It’s starkly hypocritical.

        • TJay229

          Stormy was Biracial, BUT raised by her BLACK side of the family… So I’m sure… That’s who she identified with the most.

      • Schlukitz

        These photos were taken on the sixth and final night of the riots and were not released until sometime after the event. By this time, all of the drag queens, both white and black, had been taken into custody and were being processed by the Sixth Precinct which is why you see nothing but white faces in these photos.

        http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/images-from-the-stonewall-uprisings-final-night/

        • uhhuhh

          Or there were never that many to start with, as the historians tell us.

          • Schlukitz

            Our government tells us a lot of things too.

            Do you believe all of them?

          • Schlukitz

            It took me awhile to locate this article.

            “And as word spread through Greenwich Village and across the city, hundreds of gay men and lesbians, black, white, Hispanic, and predominantly working class, converged on the Christopher Street area around theStonewall Inn to join the fray.”

            http://passive-observers.blogspot.com/2013/08/article-stonewall-riots-1969-turning.html

            These are the people whose faces you see in the few photos that are available…not the occupants of the bar or the paddy wagons that took them away to the old Charles Street Station.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        I’m not erasing white gay men, I’m simply pointing out that it was the few drag queens and trans present who first got up in the face of the cops, hence the “OH HELL NO!” comment. I could have worded it better, but at the time I wrote it, I was annoyed by what appeared to be a ‘whitewashing’ of the event. Most of the patrons were white men, this is confirmed by many eye witness accounts but, again, when the rocks started flying, it was Queens who were at the front of the line. That’s all I was trying to convey. The trailer just made it look like they were window dressing and, as I said, that annoyed me.

    • pablo

      “although there were some white cis-gendered men involved…” SOME! Love it!

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Poor choice of words, please see my response to Uhhuhh

  • MattM
  • Will Kohler

    There are things that people need to remember. 1. It was 1969. Drag queens were not allowed in the Stonewall. Most “fems” who got in wore a bit of genderbending clothing. There were very full drag queens at the time out in the open. A few limited “cross-dressers” but that was it.

    2. And i say this having both known Sylvia Rivera and Marsha Johnson that Sylvia did not ‘throw the first heel” and was not even in drag at that time. Even Marsha herself said that she had to go get Sylvia after the riot started. The whole “Sylvia at Stonewall” thing never came up till over a decade later when Sylvia said it herself during an article to raise awareness and money for STARS. NONE of the Stonewall survivors could ever place Sylvia there. Not even Bob Kohler who was a direct participant. 3. The most accurate accounts have a butch cross dressing lesbian by the name of Stormy throwing the first punch. http://www.back2stonewall.com/2015/06/the-true-history-of-the-stonewall-riots-june-28-june-31-1969-stonewall-45.html

    • leastyebejudged

      So many queers are absolutely impervious to historical fact.

    • Schlukitz

      What rock were you hiding under in 1969?

      Were you even born yet?

      • Will Kohler

        Not only was I born. i knew the people directly involved and my relative was in the damn bar that night. So until you tell me that you were the bouncer on duty and have better and documented info HUSH,

        • Schlukitz

          Well, I guess it’s all relative then.

  • chris10858

    Im a white male from rural America. The fact that they took Kevin Bacon”s Footloose character and tried to make him the center of the story is offensive. This is no better than when they take a movie covering Moss and the Ten Commandments but use all white people for the lead cast members.

    Anyone who has ever hung around the LGBT community knows when the shit hits the fan, it’s the drag queens and the lesbians who lead the way and are not afraid to kickass.

    The Mainstream are not going to see this movie and those of us in the LGBT community should boycott it as well. Otherwise, we are enabling the issue.

    • billbear1961

      ” . . . when the shit hits the fan, it’s the drag queens and the lesbians who lead the way and are not afraid to kickass.”

      Can’t be said often enough!

      • Schlukitz

        Hear. Hear.

        It wasn the “butch” guys and it wasn’t the leather crowd who took on the police. It was the drag queens.

        I am so sick and tired of these know-it-all types who believe all the shit that they read on the Internet and then swear up and down that it’s the truth.

        Obviously, none of these people have ever heard of Snopes.

    • uhhuhh

      You should check out the few photos that exist. It wasn’t the black trans convention that modern-day activists like to depict it as. They have their own current political motives for that. It was more diverse than this movie seems to be, but there were lots of young white gay men involved.

      • David From Canada

        The Far Left of today insists that drag queens, blacks, and trans people were the front-runners at the Stonewall Riots. They rewrite history just as the Far Right does.
        Everybody quit bitching and just go and see the movie. I’m thrilled that the Stonewall movie has finally been made. If you are looking for the perfect movie from this era to be made, you’re not going to find it.

        • Schlukitz

          Please refer to my response to Leastyebejudged.

          Were you there???

          • uhhuhh

            The historians who have meticulously interviewed witnesses and tried to reconstruct what happened haven’t validated your impression.

          • Schlukitz

            While the Daily News account was skaggy and high bigoted, to say the least, they did at least get the facts right about the drag queens and fems leading the attack against the Sixth Precint Police, even if their descriptions of them were despicable.

            It is a well-known fact that “Historians” have often re-written history to suit their agendas. We have many glaring examples of that all through our American History. Just pick up a few High School History texts and flip through them and you will see what I mean.

            It is also no secret that there are many in our ranks who look down on and despise drag queens, fems, hispanics/Latinos and transgendered folks as fiercely as many straight folks do. In fact, many of these gays were so put-off by them, that they were angered by the inclusion of transgender folks in our NGBT label. They felt that including trans folks would hold the movement back.

            That said, it is easy to see that many LGBT people do not wish to see drag queens, fems or transsexuals (white or black) as representative of the gay movement and would make every effort to “whitewash” the event to make it look like it was the cute, young, Aryan, blond boys who helped win our rights for us.

            God forbid that we should have to thank a black drag queen, a fem, a hispanic/Latino or a transsexual person for what they contributed to the movement. *snark*

        • GarySFBCN

          Oh god, not the ‘far left.’ You know, those pesky people who have always been on the front lines, fighting for your rights.

          • Remember, when a CANADIAN is talking about ‘far left,’ you know he’s describing the woo-woo wing.

    • leastyebejudged

      LOL, the ridiculous stress on drag queens being central characters in our history is revisionism at it’s finest.

      You’re a fuckin’ idiot.

      • billbear1961

        We aren’t ALL from big urban centers, and I’ve read again and again that drag queens and “effeminate” gays led the charge at Stonewall.

        That article from ’69 that Joe posts every year implies as much!

        Where are sources we can rely on for the truth?

        That’s a real question–I’m not being a smart ass.

        I want to know the TRUTH.

        The truth MATTERS.

        FAR too many in this country treat facts with DISDAIN.

        It is the curse of the right (who have made it the curse of this benighted country!).

        It must not infect US, as well!

        • Schlukitz

          “FAR too many in this country treat facts with DISDAIN.”

          Old Mitchum anti-perspirant commercial from the 50s.

          Two steel workers are sitting on an I-beam of a building being erected in Manhattan eating their lunch while watching people pass by on the street below them.

          First construciton worker: Did you see the look of distain that guy gave to that woman he just passed?

          Second construction worker: Yeah. I noticed da stain too.

          • billbear1961

            lol

            ๐Ÿ™‚

            XO

        • uhhuhh

          I’m afraid there are so many 2015 political agendas on all sides of this issue that we probably can’t get a consensus on the truth right now.

          It’s nearly as bad as Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs arguing over the the details of how Israel was founded!

          • billbear1961

            OMG!

            ๐Ÿ™

        • Schlukitz

          I’d like to have a nickel for each fem and drag queen I saw on Christopher Street during it’s glory years.

          There was a reason why it was called the “Runway” LOL

          Remember Rollarena?

          • Schlukitz

            Here’s a pic of Rollerena at Studio 54

      • Schlukitz

        Were you at stonewall when the riot broke out? That was 46 years ago.

        Since 1965, I lived on Christopher Street.

        Since 1965, I have owned and operated a business on Christopher Street.

        I was there the night that the riots broke out.

        And, I saw with my own eyes and that of a deceased friend, Craig Rodwell, that it was, indeed, the drag queens who had the balls to take on New York City’s “finest”.

        If you don’t know WTF you are talking about, and you obviously don’t, you shouldn’t be calling other people “fucking idiot” and need to sit down and shut the fuck up.

  • billbear1961

    Well, perhaps the film will suck, but I still want to celebrate the SPIRIT behind Stonewall!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwANrA54r-8

    The trumpet’s loud clangour excites us to arms,
    With shrill notes of anger and mortal alarms,
    The double-double-double beat,
    Of the thund’ring drum,
    Cries hark! Hark! Cries hark the foes come!
    Charge! Charge! Charge! Charge!
    ‘Tis too late, ’tis too late to retreat!
    Charge ’tis too late, too late to retreat!

    –Wiki

  • Regan DuCasse

    I rather liked the original movie Stonewall. From the early 90’s. Gilbert Diaz was one of the primary drag queens.
    Still a brand new, white protagonist new to NYC.
    It’s REMAKE, this version.

  • Michael Abbett

    I’ve got that same sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that I got when I saw the 54 trailer.

    • uhhuhh

      I only remember the shirtless Ryan Philippe. lol

      • Michael Abbett

        That’s kinda what I meant.

    • DanimalChgo

      (Check out the newly restored director’s cut of “54.” It’s much better. It’s on Amazon and ITunes.)

  • Bastiane

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bop98c-Tfr4 Or you can check out the 1995 version with Guillermo Dรญaz basically the exact same movie

  • TJay229

    Sadly… Won’t go see yet ANOTHER movie Hollywood has put out “WHITE WASHING” the truth.

    It was a Biracial (raised by her BLACK side of her family) LESBIAN that threw the first punch and kicked it off, NOT some midwest saltine… Why can’t they just tell the story, right.

    They didn’t show Marsha P Johnson… LMAO

    White men are NOT the end all to be all… Shit!

  • nipper

    No Martha P Johnson, no drag queens, no people of color, pass.

  • So long, farewell, eat shit and die. Roland really loves his disaster movies. After Godamnthisshitzilla, who thought it was a good idea to let him have another crack?

  • pangelboy

    I see a lot of people making comments about the makeup of the patrons of the Stonewall Inn and the contributions of non-binary people and people of color to the riots without mentioning a source at all.

    From wikipedia:

    “In the rear of the bar was a smaller room frequented by “queens;” it was one of two bars where effeminate men who wore makeup and teased their hair (though dressed in men’s clothing) could go.[48] Only a few transvestites, or men in full drag, were allowed in by the bouncers. The customers were “98 percent male” but a few lesbians sometimes came to the bar. Younger homeless adolescent males, who slept in nearby Christopher Park, would often try to get in so customers would buy them drinks.[49] The age clientele ranged between the upper teens and early thirties, and **the racial mix was evenly distributed among white, black, and Hispanic patrons.**[48][50] Because of its even mix of people, its location, and the attraction of dancing, the Stonewall Inn was known by many as “the gay bar in the city”.[51]”

    Wiki cites Martin Duberman, an American historian and gay rights activist who wrote a book on the Stonewall Riots.

    About the riots:

    “With larger numbers, police detained anyone they could and put them in patrol wagons to go to jail, though Inspector Pine recalled, “Fights erupted with the transvestites, who wouldn’t go into the patrol wagon.” His recollection was corroborated by another witness across the street who said, “All I could see about who was fighting was that it was transvestites and they were fighting furiously.”[78]”

    Wiki cites David Carter, whose book “Stonewall: The Riots That Sparked the Gay Revolution” was the basis for the PBS American Experience documentary Stonewall Uprising

    So, yes, trans* people fought furiously enough at Stonewall to form a lasting impact on the event. Yes, queer and effeminate men were allowed in Stonewall Inn. And the mixture of the clientale was almost half and half racially.

    Hollywood and the mainstream gay media can rewrite history to fit their racial fantasies, but it doesn’t change the truth.

    • Ish

      People are also projecting today’s West Village on 1969. It was a seedy, neglected, edgy neighborhood at the time; not on an open tidy waterfront with parks but next to a dark highway underpass beside towering rotting piers. It was not home to hedgefunders getting their first townhouse, but to people who could afford nothing better than living in a neighborhood where nobody would pay attention to them.

      • Schlukitz

        I remember it well.

        1965. I was 27 then. The year that my shop opened at 85 Christopher Street, just a half block away from Stonewall on the other side of Sheridan Square.

        Christopher was a dark, not very well lit street that no one but the bravest and the hardiest ventured down at night until the gays took it over.

        Then Stonewall happened and the rents began a dizzying spriral upwards as the heartless landlords and real estate agents began to milk the neighborhood for every cent it could until all the gays fled to Chelsea.

        Four floor walk-up rent for a 300 sq. ft. apartmen back then; $49. a mo. Now: $1500. & up.

        Shop rent then: $110. a mo. Now: $22, 000.

        What used to be called the gay runway, is now known as Rubber
        Baby Buggy Bumper Blvd.

      • GarySFBCN

        You left out ‘fun.’ It was fun before it was gentrified.

        • Schlukitz

          Yep yep. It’s all been sanitized now.

    • uhhuhh

      Since no one has said there were NO trans people there nor that it was an all-white group, I’m not sure what you think you’re rebutting. If you think that’s what you’re rebutting, all you’re doing is knocking down a straw man of your own creation.

      The self-serving narrative that has emerged is that it was a drag club and it was black drag queens who were mostly involved in the event. Thank you for quoting historians to debunk that self-serving narrative.

      Based on the trailer, this movie is too white, as I’ve repeatedly said. A correct depiction is not one in which all white gay men are erased and replaced by a mob of black drag queens. All your snide far-left sanctimony won’t make the self-serving narrative any truer than a lily white, exclusively butch male narrative is.

      The “intersectional” demand for fair inclusion of everyone has lately metastasized into a bullying crusade to entirely silence non-trans white gay men. And now it’s even spread to efforts to silence white trans folks. Caitlyn Jenner is on shaky ground speaking about trans experiences because she is part of a tiny minority of the super wealthy, but I’ve also seen far too many critics declare that her trans voice is somehow illegitimate because it is white, as though white trans folks are now required to shut up and go away.

      • pangelboy

        You can’t be serious, can you?

        Trans people of color are much more likely to be poor, disadvantaged, forced into sex work, and killed. But, my empathy should be reserved for Caitlyn Jenner?

        I don’t hate white LGBT people. What I dislike is trying to rewrite the past to fit into what the white mainstream (and by extension the white LGBT community) likes to see. Which is other white people to the near exclusion of other faces.

        There’s no grand conspiracy to erase white people. It’s actually kinda funny that when racial minorities or gender minorities ask for more inclusion, the majority is fearful of some type of “divine retribution” and think they’re all going to be erased. Get a life, get a grip, and get over it. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • uhhuhh

          What are you, 12 years old? This thing you do where you make up a position for somebody and then attack it? That’s called knocking down a straw man. It’s a fallacy. Here ya go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

          • pangelboy

            Are you really accusing me of using a strawman when you simultaneously accused me of pushing a “self-serving narrative” after thanking me for debunking it?

            Keep fighting the good fight. Wouldn’t want those white voices to be silenced. I mean money, privilege, and numbers can only do so much for a people.

            http://i.imgur.com/cqyUOW4.gif

          • uhhuhh

            So, yes, you are 12 years old.

  • Michael Varian Daly

    That riot was led by big Black drag queens. I was there and that’s what I saw.

    • People4Humanity

      Thanks to the black drag queens!

  • Cuberly

    Roland Emmerich, yeah, that guy. A pet project? Independence Day? Um, uh.

    I’ve wandered through the comments here but I’m reserving judgement. I’ll see it. Wow, in the theater even.

  • Javier Smith

    Is this a remake of the 1996 Stonewall film? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN6BI7mEtKg

  • Blake Jordan

    They already did this fictional version of Stonewall in 1995, staring Frederick Weller as the masc., white hero.

  • Gregory In Seattle

    From the trailer, it seems almost indistinguishable from the earlier movie, maybe a bit grittier. Why was this made?

  • JCF

    God forbid any version of “history” NOT have a pretty white boy as its focus, eh?

    That said, maybe it’s inevitable that the Stonewall Uprising (the actual historical events, not any one depiction of same) will ALWAYS be a Rashomon: different for everyone who was there, and whose (reliable? unreliable?) memories have then been passed on to the rest of us youngsters/not-there-sters. God bless all who WERE there, even if they don’t agree on exactly what happened (or who made it happen). Their lives became Our History, and let us give thanks!

    • Schlukitz

      Thanks for the nod in the direction of those who helped shape our gay history…many of whom are no longer with us.

      And it goes without saying, but I will say it nevertheless, we owe a deep debt to the many people who were working their butts off lto achieve equality long before Stonewall took place.

      Stonewall was the galvanizing action that unified the modern day gay movement for all Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgendered folks.

  • Nax

    It’s a movie. I’ll watch it.

  • Chris Lion

    I’ve read up on Stonewall and seen a few great documentaries, so I’m good on the history… but this seems a little over the top. Then again, that’s what sells. As for the protagonist being a cute, corn-fed jock? Tough as it may be, I’ll get through this… and if he takes off his shirt a lot, I’ll struggle with that as well. I’m a giver…

  • Guest

    So many theaters won’t show a gay themed movie. So few mainstream movies even have openly gay characters. We need so much more LGBT media.