SWITZERLAND: Catholic Bishop Vitus Huonder Says Bible “Unambiguously” Calls For Executing Homosexuals

Swiss Info reports:

Vitus Huonder, the controversial Catholic bishop of Chur in eastern Switzerland, has once again attracted criticism for quoting homophobic Bible passages and denouncing non-traditional family models. At the “Joy in Faith” forum in the German city of Fulda, he quoted a passage from the Bible which said homosexuals should be punished by death. In his 50-minute address on Friday, titled “Marriage – a gift, sacrament and order”, Huonder quoted various passages backing up his views. He also slammed gender theory, divorce, sex education and gay marriage. Regarding homosexuality, the 73-year-old bishop quoted two verses from the book of Leviticus, including Leviticus 20:13: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” In response to applause, he continued: “Both of these passages alone suffice to clarify unambiguously the church’s position on homosexuality”. In his opinion, the passages also had implications for the definition of marriage and the family. “There is no diversity when it comes to marriage and family models, although a book has just come out in my bishopric called ‘Family Diversity’,” he said. “Even speaking of family diversity is an attack on the Creator.”

The Swiss LGBT rights group Pink Cross says it is looking into having Huonder charged under hate speech laws. Pink Cross: “It was in the name of these same Bible passages that a Jewish extremist stabbed six people.” Yesterday Huonder released a statement in which he expressed regret that his words were interpreted as “contemptuous.”

RELATED: Sanctions against hate speech made on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity were approved by Switzerland’s national legislature in March 2015.

  • well, he shows a profound willful ignorance about his own religion then, eh!?!? Leviticus? baby, Christians don’t follow levitical law.
    might as well say “Catholic Bishop states Christ failed in His mission on the cross”

    • 2karmanot

      We’ll have to ask Jeebus what he said about cross purposes.

    • The blood of Christ on a daily basis isn’t enough blood for them at all.

      • Bad Tom

        They’re soaking in it.

      • Chucktech

        Well… Not if you only get a puny chalice full of christ’s “blood.” You need to consecrate the entire bottle of Manichewitz and knock it back…

    • TheManicMechanic

      That entire outfit the bish is wearing is made from mixed materials, all that gold proves it. Now for that Levitical punishment regarding clothing should apply.

      • Bad Tom

        Good observation!

  • Reality.Bites

    He’s lucky he only said that as a bishop and not a commentator on JMG.

    • LonelyLiberal

      True. Unlike the supposedly holy church, we actually have repercussions for being a complete asshole.

      • Bad Tom

        Yes. Your comment might be deleted.

        Unlike what the Good Bishop is calling for, which is that we ourselves be deleted.

    • Hal Watts

      Yes, what the bishop said is horrible. But we JMG readers hold ourselves to a higher moral standard than do the right-wing theocrats of the world. You, me, and all of us JMG readers are better people than that odious little worm of a bishop.

    • clay

      “this is a test . . . “

  • LonelyLiberal

    So calling for somebody’s death isn’t a contemptuous statement? Good to know that, man of god. Good to know.

    • Gustav2

      The Holy Office of the Inquisition always loved those they tortured and burned.

    • Gerry Fisher

      He’d put us to death with great kindness and respect, you see.

      • BudClark

        Yes. Those motets composed to be sung during the auto da fe are lovely. More info about that when I reach my Canadian confrere.

        • 2karmanot

          You light up my life

    • Contact information for the piece of shit:


    • JoeNCA

      It’s merely a traditional religious belief, you know.

      • GayOldLady

        Yep, it’s just one of those WWJD moments for the Bishop.

      • B Snow

        A *sincerely held* traditional religious belief. That makes it totes okay.

    • OrliJoe in Fla

      Can’t you just feel that Christian love?

      • BudClark

        I thought it was an enflamed hemorrhoid.

    • McSwagg

      He’s just sorry that you interpretted his comments as contemptuous.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    The bible demands the death of people for many things. Why such focus upon this one thing? That question is never answered as if they did answer the depths of their hypocrisy would be revealed to their followers. And that is a place these people just do not want to go to. Someone should inform the bishop and others like him that we can still see their hypocrisy.

    • ScottJL

      Because they love cherry pie to go with all those cherries they pick.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Agreed, but it doesn’t get to the root of the problem or answer my rhetorical question. People like this bishop have a real disconnect and it must be addressed at some point.

    • Bad Tom

      I would bet significant money that the Good Bishop had nothing to say about the similar penalties for the wearing of mixed fabrics, such as used in the robes he was wearing at the time.

      • Chucktech

        “I know Leviticus says that, but this is what they really meant…”

        • Goodboy

          Preach the word brother chuck. Hallelujah! (hands raised) Praise the lord!

          • ScottJL

            Pass The Loot!

          • Bad Tom

            Those robes aren’t going to buy themselves.

          • Goodboy

            No kidding.

          • Bad Tom

            If you’ve ever visited the Vatican, you have seen The World Standard for ostentatious opulence.

          • canoebum

            Trump has nothing on those guys!

          • Bad Tom

            Trump has no taste. The Vatican has taste. Overweening, ostentatious taste, but taste nonetheless.

          • BudClark

            The Sistine Chapel DOES look like a last-gasp whorehouse / bathhouse.

            It’s beautiful, but I can’t imagine trying to PRAY in it.

            Too many pecs and dicks to look at .

          • radiofreerome

            Am I wrong to be reminded of this?

          • Bad Tom

            By any fair comparison, Marilyn Monroe was a sweet, talented, vulnerable woman who epitomized a classic beauty.

            The other one is just an asshole.

          • Goodboy

            Ha. Probably what she was thinking and by she I mean the good cardinal..

          • David Walker

            This lady in red is going to be the poster child for vanity, hubris, ostentation, and loving the embellishments more than “the word” for like forever. I still cannot get over that apron.

          • JR

            Gawd, I am SO glad he isn’t in St. Louis anymore.

          • 2patricius2

            Some people are shit disturbers and some are shit creators. He is a shit creator.

          • 2karmanot

            That dude is wearing the red carpet!

          • Jimmy Joe

            Ugh! Those white shoes….

        • vorpal

          “But but but… the clothing laws were RITUAL laws, and thus were abolished under Jesus! And the sexual laws (that don’t inconvenience me) were PURITY laws, and must be upheld! Only a moron doesn’t know that!”

          • Bad Tom

            What about the defective eyeball rule?

          • 2karmanot

            Makes me just run out an smite a fruit tree!

          • GayEGO

            I am still wearing my pink taffeta gown with lavender chiffon fluff! :>)

          • vorpal

            Well, now you are OBLIGATED to provide us with photographic evidence.

            Purely for educational (not recreational) purposes :D.

        • HadenoughBS

          Death for all homosexuals: the ULTIMATE reparative therapy as practiced by the Catholic Church!

      • 2karmanot

        Bingo great minds and all

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        I’d be betting along with you, Tom. There’s that disconnect. They have an awareness of cultural changes with some things, but absolutely refuse to look at their own bigotry when it comes to other things. The lack of self awareness is unbelievable at times.

        • Goodboy

          Plus, it gets their (dying off) sheeple all riled up with their us against them mentality.

        • Bad Tom

          You’ve identified a key point, Wynter. The Good Bishop can pick out a passage in Leviticus, and completely ignore nearby passages that condemn his own behavior (mixed fabrics, defect in sight, and I’d also put money on eating shrimp, clams, etc.) I just wonder if he actually justifies this somehow, or is he really selectively blind?

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            My own personal opinion is that they know very well there is no real justification for this type of statement. You can’t use one part of the bible to condemn others while ignoring what is inconvenient or doesn’t affect you.

            Most things come down to money and power. That is where I’d begin. WIth acceptance, they lose both money and power. ANd people that have money and power never give up any part of it willingly.

          • Bad Tom

            Money & power are the most addictive (and dangerous) drugs ever created.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            And the first thing that should be looked at when studying history or upheavals. Who has the money and power and who wants it, or some of it. It is a really good starting point for such analysis. And I agree that money and power are indeed a dangerous and powerful drug.

          • Bad Tom

            An inevitable conclusion of this line of thinking is these so-called Holy people don’t believe in their own God. And the higher up in the power-structure they go, the less they believe.

            Because if they really believed in what the Bible says, they would never behave the way they do.

          • Goodboy


          • RoFaWh

            It wouldn’t be the first time that an ideological leader didn’t believe one word of the crap he spewed.

          • Goodboy

            Yup and I’ll never understand that kind of willful ignorance. Any hobbyist will want to understand their craft and would never ignore parts of it. They’d want to understand it all because it’s something they love.

            Here’s what it tells me…they don’t fucking believe it either.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Agreed. It reminds me of a movie or a book or story that I can only remember one part of; priests were taking off their opulent clothing and leaving their full tables to go meet the people, who were all hungry and poor. They didn’t believe of word of what they preached, but pretended to in order to maintain their lifestyle.

          • BudClark

            I asked questions about things like that when I was organist in various Roman churches (I myself am a Pastafarian Socialist High Anglican Democrat).

            I was told not to ask questions.

          • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

            LOL. I learned that in 2nd grade when I asked the nun in front of the rest of the class, “If Adam and Eve only had Cain and Abel, and Cain killed Abel, then where did all the other people come from?” The normally sweet nun got an angry look on her face and very politely told me to essentially STFU and just believe what I’m told without asking questions.

            My little 2nd grade brain was already picturing something Duggar-like going on with the “first family”.

          • Bad Tom

            I was told the same thing as a kid.

            I had read a bio of Nikola Tesla (my hero.) In it was related Tesla’s theory that the Arc of the Covenant was a big capacitor, based on its physical construction, (gold shell, gold interior, around a middle of insulating wood,) the fact that it would kill anyone who approached it too closely, and that it had to be carried on wooden poles for safety.

            I excitedly brought this to the attention of our Pastor (of an Assembly of God congregation,)* thinking the would be so pleased that here was possible physical confirmation of something in the Bible!

            He was not pleased.
            * Ha! Naive little kid.

      • Steverino

        His “theology” has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.

      • douglas

        Let him first stone the pedophile priests for raping little boys.

      • GayEGO

        You should see the lavender chiffon robes he wears in the closet! :>)

    • “Someone should inform the bishop and others like him that we can still see their hypocrisy.” UNDER ALL THEIR LACE SKIRTS.

      • BobSF_94117

        One wonders just how many mixed textiles he’s got going on in one of his holiday frocks.

        • Bad Tom

          More than one. Which is enough for death, by his own book.

      • William

        I want to see him fly through the eye of a needle while wearing that outfit.

    • Goodboy

      That’s some amazing mental gymnastics is all I’ll say. How they’ll believe something unbelievable yet completely ignore any facts that contradict it.

      • Bad Tom

        They ignore that the Bible itself contradicts it.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        I’d say they must have to either work very hard at it or they are so brainwashed and/or entrenched within their mythology that critical thinking is no longer possible.

    • CanuckDon

      It’s his own personal focus….a discontented, miserable 73 year old who continuously denies his desires and causes trouble to the outer world because of it. Too bad the fucker will never grow up.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        A man in his position doesn’t have the luxury of personal focus. Or, he shouldn’t have. He is breaking the covenant if his own religion. The highest command is that you love all others or some such.

        • CanuckDon

          This unfortunately is one of the largest flaws in all of this. It takes a lot of conscious effort (not to mention arrogance and ego) to repress one’s own desires and it will always manifest in some sort of neurosis or obsession…and yet we have men like this…fueled by the words of confused men from long ago…elevated to positions of leadership for a lost, insecure population looking for answers to their own discontented lives.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Except, we’ve seen time after time that they don’t suppress their own desires. They just hide them in public. There is a reason that the RCC is now looking for followers in the most undereducated countries. For the reasons you’ve stated as well as that the more educated people in the Western world are leaving in droves. The centuries long betrayal to the RCC against their own flocks have taken a toll.

          • doninkansas

            I think France, the “eldest” daughter of the church. I have read, unfortunately can’t seem to come up with sources now, but do remember it was in a scholarly Catholic publication, that the areas of France that are the most unchurched are the areas where the church had historically owned most of the land. peasants have long memories and the sins of the clergy from centuries ago are still remembered. the same in Italy to a lesser degree I’m told. although, most of my Italian friends, even the nominally Catholic ones, tend to shrug their shoulders about anything coming from Rome. familiarity breeds contempt and all of that.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Wow, I’d love to read that article. It sounds fascinating. This isn’t all that surprising. I doubt the sexual assaults of children and other abuses started in our lifetime. I just find it amazing that they got away with it for so long. Tells you how much power they really had.

      • Gerry Fisher

        That does seem very apparent witnessing these priests: developmentally arrested Boy Men.

        • BudClark

          I’ve said that for years.

    • Goodboy

      Well, to be honest with you some are actually practical. Like this wknd I was tying to watch a movie and had to deal with some little brats that wouldn’t shut up. Leviticus and it’s death penalty for loud nasty kids has some practical value there.

      If I killed them couldn’t I get a religious exemption?

      • Chucktech

        Hey, it’s right there, right in the bible…

        • BudClark

          Might it have something to do with the prohibition against putting new wine into old wineskins, because they’ll split?

          Or because different fabrics decay at different rates?

          Just guessing …

          • 2karmanot

            If I’m not mistaken, the Arameic actually translates as : “new wine into old foreskins.” Reminds me of South of Market in the 90’s.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Some of the dietary restrictions made good common sense for a desert tribe of nomads. The rules set for said desert tribe of nomads have been taken out of cultural and historical context. They have been able to adapt in some instances, but the bigotry that remains really can’t be supported with logical thinking.

        • Goodboy

          You sound like the christian women I was talking to on WND one time. Some actually try to be rational. She talked about the historical reasons of the “mixed fabric” issue.

          However, she couldn’t or wouldn’t apply the same logic to the gay issue in leviticus. That’s where the conversation ended.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            LOL, I’m insulted, Goodboy. I’m not christian or even religious. I am however educated in the field of anthropology. I can think of no good reason for the mixed fabric thing unless it was to stand apart from the pagan cultures the Jews were surrounded by.

            I once read an interesting article that gave scientific reasons for the plagues, but for them all to happen at once seems impossible, but I like to have scientific explanations.

            I consider all religions mythology, but within mythology, cultural explanations can be found. There is no justification for bigotry, however. And, I am firmly on the side of the LGBT community and have been for quite some time.

          • Goodboy

            Two different approaches. She was using it as justification for her own sins ie mixed fabrics. She has no interest in understanding anything outside of that. She just wants things to fit so she can get into heaven and be with the noodly appendige or whatever.

            You’re looking at it from a detached scientific approach. Ironic it almost sounds the same but couldn’t be more different.

          • zhera

            I’m curious: What was her reasoning for the mixed fabrics rule?

          • Goodboy

            I think it was something about climate change. They like science when it fits the the BS.

          • zhera

            Hahaha that makes even less sense than what I expected!

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            It sounds the same on the surface. Dig an inch or two and the differences are glaring. “Noodly appendage” Bwahaha!

          • Chucktech

            Goodboy, when it comes to the fag hating part, that’s where academic discussion goes right out the window and bigotry takes over from there.

          • Raising_Rlyeh

            What kind of “historical reason” can you possibly have for banning mixed fabric? I can understand the pork and shellfish as it is a desert environment, but mixed fabric… come on.

          • David L. Caster

            Perhaps it has to do with the sources of the fibers? Certainly some plant fibers come from species that are invasive and could cause problems with food crops. For instance certain kinds of insects favor one kind of crop over another and mixing the crops could have been bent into a tale about mixed fibers. Obviously we are speaking of a time well before direct genetic manipulation, but selective breeding of grasses and other plants might somehow come into play in the mind of an ancient. Mix a bit of this with lore and you have the kernel of truth that often underlies myth.

        • Bad Tom

          Their bigotry can’t be supported by a thoughtful reading of their own Holy Writ. That is what astounds me.

          Which apparently means the Good Bishop has never thoughtfully read the Holy Bible.

          And he is, literally, an anointed expert.

        • RoFaWh

          Are you aware that some scholars think the reason pork is verboten to Jews is that in much earlier times the pig was a sacred animal?

          This is similar to the concept of mana widely accepted throughout Polynesia. High chiefs had great mana and it was forbidden to even touch them. Some were fed using chopsticks so the feeder wouldn’t have to touch.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            No, this is something I’ve never heard of before. The farming package that wound its way throughout Eurasia included pigs. But, this is a very interesting theory and one I’d love to learn more about. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

            The current accepted theory is that pigs were not to be eaten because of disease. Today we know how closely viruses and the like pass from human to pigs and from pigs to humans, often mutating into deadly diseases. This has a basis in history and in science.

            I fully intend on looking at what you’ve added because science changes due to new information and we must be able to adapt to that new information. (Unlike people who think nothing that doesn’t come out of one book is worth knowing.)

          • RobNYNY1957

            But cattle also carry diseases that can spread to humans, so the disease theory of the uncleanliness of pigs makes no sense.


          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Well, that’s part of it. We can get certain diseases from cows, think cowpox, which is how the vaccine for smallpox was developed. But, birds and pigs and humans exchange viruses that mutate and become pandemics. And those were two of the earliest domesticated food animals. We paid a price for giving up a hunter gatherer lifestyle. Disease was one of those things that came along with a sedentary lifestyle.

            Cattle also don’t live in such close proximity to humans as do pigs and chickens, so disease transmission becomes more difficult.

            Another major reason, in the Middle East at any rate, is the difficulty of keeping pigs. China didn’t domesticate cattle and therefore didn’t drink milk and are one of the peoples that don’t digest it very well. You can’t milk a pig.

            Of course, it does go a bit deeper, but this is limited space and only the major over arching themes can be discussed. There are entire books devoted to this subject. (And any other seemingly minor subject you can think of in anthropology)
            It’s not my theory, it’s the anthropological consensus. Or at least the one that is most often taught.

          • doninkansas

            weren’t the ancient Israelites originally a nomadic folk? and the area was a relatively arid area as well. pigs are not the animal for a nomadic people, not to mention being easily overheated and requiring moisture to cool off in heat. therefore, for the ancient Hebrew nomads, pigs would be the animals kept by their settled pagan neighbors. and too, as someone else mentioned, they would be also be used as sacrifices for the those foreign gods. pigs are also scavengers, which were also considered forbidden foods. so there would be a variety of reasons why they could have gotten that bad rap.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Yup, but when the Jews began moving into other areas, they could have begun eating pork. They didn’t for a variety of reasons. Once they settled in the middle East, it would have been difficult to raise pigs, but not impossible. Given the payback of fast frowning and massive amount of flesh, keeping a small number of pigs might have made some economic sense.

            As you’ve said, there are a variety of reasons. But, the original start of this was biblical rules. Some of those rules were common sense and stolen (like not killing) and I mentioned that some to the dietary advice made good sense.

    • Cuberly

      But but, it’s their deeply held belief in cherry-picking.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        True, but at some point they must be held accountable for their lack of critical thinking and their incitement of violence against others along with their refusal to treat others equally.

        • Chucktech

          They’ve never been held accountable, why would that change now?

          • Bad Tom

            The internet.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Because, Chuck, people are beginning to demand that they be held accountable. It may not happen right away, but the process has certain started. They have had centuries in which they were never truly challenged by the population and that is now changing.

          • Chucktech

            You’re right, Wynter, and I was just being cynically snarky. But, as hard as it is to believe, I think you may be absolutely right!

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I became an ally around 11 years ago. It seemed like a very uphill battle at the time. I lost friends because of my position, yet I knew that it was the only position I could take. About five years ago, I knew the tide had turned somewhat. Against all odds, it was true. When I told people I knew that marriage equality would be the law of the land sooner than anyone could imagine, people laughed at me. (The same way people laughed at me when I was very concerned about women living under the Taliban. I knew that whole situation would bite us in the ass and it did.)

            I read culture because of my education in anthropology. I can imagine it being very difficult for those who have been oppressed and discriminated against seeing those tiny changes that will one day amount to an avalanche. It’s understandable and it is also heartbreaking. But, every one of us that fights today makes it easier for the next generation.

            I think I’m right also. The death throes of any social construct are loud and violent.

          • Chucktech

            “When I told people I knew that marriage equality would be the law of the land sooner than anyone could imagine, people laughed at me.”

            Sweetie, I’d have laughed you right the hell outta here myself. It truly has been astounding, hasn’t it?

            BTW, OT, I just came back from a trip to Mexico City (and other places), and their museum of Anthropology and Archaeology is just stunning! It’s world class, and like the Louvre, you could spend forever there studying. Truly phenomenal and exquisitely done.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            You would not have been alone in laughing at me, Chuck. You would have been in the majority of the people I know. I let them all laugh knowing that I’d be the one celebrating. We used to buy a bottle of champagne every year and then drink it on New Years for every year marriage equality wasn’t passed. We did end up buying four bottles, but that last one was opened very early in the morning and late in the year. And it tasted so sweet.

            Mexico City is one place I have never been to although I’ve spent some time in Mexico. I think I’ve never gone because of the history, even though that is something I enjoy a great deal. I’ve always been horrified at what happened to the Aztec people. For some reason I find their story unbearably tragic.

            The museum does sound wonderful though. I’m going to go visit it virtually at the very least. My favorite archeology/anthropology sites/museums are ones that allow you to walk around; Ephesus and the Minoan Place are examples of this. I have a very vivid imagination and to walk in the footsteps and within the homes and rooms is breathtaking for me. Thanks for the rec.

          • Chucktech

            Oh, I hear you about the fate of the Aztecs, believe me, it’s WELL documented in this museum. And of course, the insult to that injury was it also ushered in the initial christianist hegemony in this hemisphere.

            But for anyone who has an interest, academic or otherwise, in the history and cultures of mezzo America, this museum is just a phenomenal resource.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I went and had a look at some of the exhibits that were available online and I would agree with you. It looks like an amazing museum. Maybe once the kids are on their own I can plan such a trip. Thank you so much for telling me about it. There aren’t’ all that many museums dedicated to Anthropology and Archeology.

    • StSean

      when the church starts to persecute non-virgins, people with tattoos, disobedient children, and non-kosher folk, i’ll try to give a fuck then.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Well, that was my point. Although I don’t think anyone should be persecuted, they ignore everyone else that break their rules to focus on the LGBT community. Mainly because it’s easy. I’d say there are less gay folks than non virgins, etc. It’s easy to focus on the sin that doesn’t affect you and to ignore the ones that do.

    • bambinoitaliano

      Because that would mean doing what other dictators like Hitler and Pol Pot, mass genocide of human. They know this day and age they can’t get away with it so they pick a minority group they think that most would go along with it. Religion is a cult. It’s never about the morality. They are consistently working against humanity. This is an institution that need to be obliterated. Giving free licenses to a group of satanists to practice at will eventually lead to the destruction of this planet faster than the asteroid hitting the planet.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        I actually think religion is the opiate of the masses. It keeps people in line and allows those at the top of the food chain to remain in control of everyone else. It worked very well for thousands of years. People are beginning to throw off those old chains and those at the top are desperate to maintain their authority.

        • Bad Tom

          “Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.” — Karl Marx

        • bambinoitaliano

          It is. It’s a pyramid scheme. The problem is those self appointed dictators becomes so entitled with over inflated egos they have lost touch of humanity. They have no qualms of calling the execution of any group of people to keep their minions to toe the line. At the opposite end you have those sheep with no independent thought processing capability and happily following or carry out the orders believing that they will be first in line to enter the gate of imaginary Disney world on the other side of life.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Yes. And this is why the people at both ends frighten me. The ones at the top know well what they are doing and the extremists at the bottom are happy to follow orders.

        • we have several different types of Satanists in this country, and i suspect they’d be very offended by your comparison to catholic criminals and hatemongers.

          our Satanists are busy fighting the good fight against laws and policies that privilege xtians. in courts, not temples. america is a fucked up place right now, and sometimes the only way to battle xtian oppression of the non-xtian minority here is to use a word that scares them a lot.

          • Chucktech

            CD, some of our Satanist friends are really just atheists putting their devil stick in the christianist eye for spite!

          • that’s what i meant by “several.”

            i read Friendly Atheist daily, i am very aware of what different groups of american Satanists are saying, doing, etc. i’m glad Joe occasionally posts on them.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I don’t actually have any compassion for religious extremists. I think their hate talk is criminal at the very least. I do have compassion for the kids who are brainwashed into this nonsense and who aren’t allowed to get an education because that would mean they might have a chance of escape.

            I agree that what is going on in many parts of the country is frightening for all of us. I also agree that there is much oppression. I fight against it in my own way. I refuse to let anyone get away with hate talk or bigotry in my presence, and will argue with anyone who tries that shit with me. I’ve lost friends (who weren’t worth the time anyway) over my position.

            I look at religion from an outsider POV and perhaps that comes off as agreement, Chicago. It isn’t. It is a dispassionate POV and may even seem cold. I sometimes have to do that or lose my mind over the crap that is being said about my fellow Americans and the laws that are being passed to hurt people.

            If I said what I really think about this bishop, I’d likely be banned. I have a lot of respect for the satanists that fight back against the incursion of christianity within our schools and in our culture.

    • JT

      What an atrocity this shithead is! And to stand behind a religion for his calls for genocide! NAZI!

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        And, if some ill person takes this as permission to harm others, he will disavow his remarks entirely.

    • Sk3ptic

      Interestingly, the one thing all these anti-gay mitre hats keep screaming for the death penalty for is not even mentioned by name.
      Everything else IS. Over and over.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        That’s because they were not talking about the concept of homosexuality as we know it today. They have misinterpreted their own text over and over and changed it numerous times to suit current cultural concepts. It is inherently dishonest and never admitted.

        • Sk3ptic

          Exactly. And more interestingly, there have been many cases of same sex marriages recognized in the RCC and the Anglican churches over the centuries. Those also get buried.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            They certainly do get buried, but students of history or culture are aware of them. As do the many other types of marriage that have been entered into throughout history and across cultures.

    • Lau’

      Here is the link of a petition you can sign to show your disapproval


      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Thank you.

  • Knock knock

    Ok. If someone calls for my execution, then all fucking rules about decency in commenting are out the window. I can fantasize about wanting to have this POS drown in a vat of santorum without making it happen.

    • Billanddogs

      A Catholic bishop? He probably came close to meeting that fate last weekend.

      • Gerry Fisher

        Fate or goal?

  • chillwallball

    Scary how they’ll just blindingly follow whatever the 2000 year old desert scribblings says. EVEN if means genociding an entire minority population. Ah yes, Christian love

    • abel

      Oh, Leviticus is a LOT older than 2000 years. It’s tribal law and unfortunately an intrinsic part of the Abrahamic religions. All of which need discarding. Religion’s benefits are outweighed by its results.

      • William

        Most of the issues in Leviticus can be dealt with through hand washing and refrigeration.

        • Chucktech

          And proper cooking time for the pork…

          • Octavio

            And the right seasonings for a good shell fish boil.

      • BobSF_94117

        Some parts and some ideas are quite old, but the assemblage isn’t really that much older, about 2300 to 2600 years ago.

  • Greg B.

    And I unambiguously suggest that he shove his bible so far up his ass that I can read Leviticus when he yawns.

  • abel

    Beyond disgusting. I hope he is censured. Or maybe just ignored.

    • He’s 73. Nature takes care of these things without any assistance.

      • John P.

        That’s so PC! but I like it.

  • Happy Dance

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think number 6 of the 10 commandments is “thou shalt not kill”…I think that is pretty much clearly written that it’s not anyone’s place to kill, execute, murder anyone.

  • ScottJL

    Don’t need to speak against religion when their own representatives do it all!

    • TampaDink

      And with such efficient & direct wording.

  • Goodboy

    “Both of these passages alone suffice to clarify unambiguously the church’s position on homosexuality”.

    Why stop there child molester. Plenty more to kill. Unruly kids, followers of other religions, adulterers, etc.

    You know how stupid they are when they use that as an excuse to their hate. The smart ones know better then to step on that land mine.

    • RoFaWh

      There are smart ones?

      Ones with a certain animal cunning, maybe, but not smart ones.

  • GarySFBCN

    It will be interesting to see how The Advocate’s Man of the Year (Pope Francis) deals with this.

  • So said the [as yet unconfirmed] child molester.

  • hdtex

    The “Joy In Faith” forum….Oh, the irony.

    • TampaDink

      In 21st century church speak, I think that they left something out of their forum’s theme.
      Joy™ in Faith.
      (dishwashing liquid, and not the kind you want to soak in)

  • Rich

    He’s a contemptuous man. His words clearly reflect his horrific nature.

  • Max_1

    Shorter Catholic bishop Vitus Huonder: “When I said kill I didn’t mean kill.”
    What the fuck did you mean then?

    • Chucktech

      I think he meant “kill.”

      • It was Bishop Amalric who said:

        • Chucktech

          Really? I thought it was some redneck asshole with a gun down in Dixie who said that…

          • Really.
            Arnaud Amaury or Arnaud Amalric (died 1225) was a Cistercian abbot who took a prominent role in the Albigensian Crusade. He is most remembered for allegedly advising a soldier, who was worrying about killing orthodox Catholics along with the heretics during the sack of the Cathar stronghold of Béziers, Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius. (“Kill them. For the Lord knows those that are His own.”)

          • Chucktech

            Thank you! Just another lapse in my Catholic High School education.

          • There is lots more they did not bother to tell you. Do you still go to Mass?

          • Chucktech

            Still go to mass???? Honey, I gave up that crap, along with pretending to be straight, when my high school prom date got drunk and threw up all over my red VW Fastback!

          • You had a red fastback. Lucky duck.
            I actually went back to a Mass – and Polish food festival – with my 83 year old in the closet gay friend Walter. We are both half Polish.
            I found the mass kind of soothing. And the food and beer were great.
            I walked out of the church at 14 vowing never to go back. And I did not until Walter asked me to go with him. Nobody meaner than a Polish Catholic.

          • BudClark

            I was organist for a VERY short time at St. Mary’s, Lorain, OH … a Polish parish with Irish clergy. Now THAT was a combination. They hated EVERYBODY. Ugliest church … green bathroom tile on the walls .. ugliest liturgy … none of the priests could sing, but they did anyway … and a choir of 70-year-old Polish men who hated my guts.

            Good times!

          • Great Jesus, that made me LOL.
            My boss Thomas MacBeth was an organist and a handsome gay man. He produced a music magazine with Richard Chronister. Without gay men, there would be no church music programs. He was in the first generation of HIV deaths. I miss him still.

          • 2karmanot

            But I loved that institutional green stall with a glory hole that said pray here.

          • 2karmanot

            Well, now that zombies are trending, a cannibal Mass does have a certain macabre pull.,

          • Absolutely. Think of the costumes. There are atheist congregations now. Maybe they would be interested.

        • madknits

          Actually, the correct quote was, “Kill them all, God will know his own.” Since there were both faithful Catholics and heretics in the town, and the soldiers couldn’t tell them apart.

          • I know that. I had three years of Latin when we had education in the US a long time ago.

            It was the proverbial redneck American who transformed the specific words. Hat tip to CHUCKTECH.

            Sort of how I and others are using and abusing MOLON LABE.


          • madknits

            I could only stomach a year of Latin.
            I learned it reading a biography of Eleanor of Aquitaine.

            I knew that at some point it had been changed. I rather like the original.

          • You learned just reading a book? You have a talent for languages.
            The biography had been changed?
            All that work and I only remember one sentence in Latin = Omnia Gallia in tres partes divisa est. First sentence in Commentary on the Gallic Wars.

  • GarySFBCN

    And does anyone doubt that the good bishop is wearing cotton, silk and polyester AT THE SAME TIME?

  • KCMC

    “my bishopric,” sounds like something to be lanced and/or biopsied.

  • 2karmanot

    “Joy in Faith” Oh, the irony—-it burns! Someone might remind the Bish that if his gold drag has mixed fibers Leviticus says we can stone him.

    • Gustav2

      That’s the beauty of Roman Catholicism, you can be the sadist and the masochist at the same time!

    • And the bishop has a defect of the eyes. He is not even allowed to approach the altar of God.
      Leviticus 21:18

    • RoFaWh

      Echoes of the “Strength through joy” movement.

      [“Kraft durch Freude” in German.]

  • Billanddogs

    And then there’s this:

  • HZ81

    Oh, come for me, Vitus. I’ll shove that “holy book” so far up your ass, you’ll have to use your tongue to turn the pages.

  • CanuckDon

    Funny how these religious creeps excitedly find the parts of the bible containing references to homosexuality. No doubt, it’s very much like the boner-excitement I had as a youngster finding them in magazines, newspapers, and encyclopedias.

    • Bad Tom

      The difference is:
      You grew up.

  • ChrisInKansas

    Like any sane person needed another reason to send religion to the dusty tombs of ancient history.

  • Charles in Bloomington

    Seems Churlish.

    • Robincho

      Of all the curs we must endure,
      The worst, for sure, is a cur from Chur…

      • Octavio

        Yer on a roll, son. Keep it up! 🙂

        • Robincho

          That’s me — just a gay son of a brioche!

  • Chucktech

    Let’s see… The good bishop is 73 years old, and since he is such a vile hateful fuck, he’ll only live for another 60 or 70 years…

    • Bad Tom

      Kinda like Pat Robertson.
      The hate is like embalming fluid for the living.

  • Get the popcorn. This is going to be epic.

  • DaveMiller135

    So he’s a non-contemptuous, accessory to murder wannabe? Good to know. That’s the thing with the religious; they never want to do their own killing. They want to talk someone else into doing it, so they can slither back under a rock when it’s time to take responsibility.

  • MattM

    Cast the first stone, Holy Man. I absolutely dare you. If you’re so devout, grab some rocks and try to execute some fags as your god so unambiguously ordered.

  • oikos
  • Dear Bishop Kiddiefucker of Cur,

    Fuck yourself and the palanquin you rode in on.

  • MDB

    You’re sorry you think people MISUNDERSTOOD your OUTRAGEOUS and MALICIOUS comments ?? Do you really think we’re that ignorant ??? Get on your fucking knees and beg our forgiveness. You’re no better than that vile ultra-orthodox P.O.S. Jewish maniac who murdered an innocent and has injured many in Israel in the name of your hateful sex-obsessed God ???
    I hope the Swiss authorities throw the book at you, and maybe even a few sharp objects for good measure. WHAT AN IGNORANT, ARROGANT, SANCTIMONIOUS ASSHOLE !!!!

  • Robert Conner

    The main thing, the only thing, one really needs to know about the Christian religion is that it’s fake. All of it is fake. Everything that follows from it, particularly the claim of this Catholic Magic Cracker salesman, is based on a lie. The Romans had this all figured out 18 centuries ago and once the Church got political power it also got busy busy busy suppressing their criticisms. Read the details here and get educated:


  • William

    Did he make a sacrifice of burnt offerings on the altar before making this announcement? If the wants to go Old Testament, he must follow it all. No pork sausage or mixing meat and milk either.

    • Octavio

      And they need to put LSD back in the sacramental wine.

  • Ninja0980

    Bring it on you son of a bitch.

  • John Ruff

    Catholics f&*king suck.

  • Gerry Fisher

    One of many great reasons not to use that book as a moral guide. It’s too flawed and contradictory. Dan Savage said it best, “The bible got it wrong about the worst evil in human history: slavery. What are the odds that it got it wrong about something as complex as human sexuality?”

  • Jeff D

    Paging Jeffrey Dahmer — At the “Joy in Faith” forum … homosexuals should be punished by death.
    So now we know what brings Bishop Huonder joy… killing gay men.

  • Mark

    Fuck. You. Asshole.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    “Both of these passages alone suffice to clarify unambiguously the church’s position on homosexuality”.

    Says a man in a dress who believes in invisible sky daddies and thinks fairy tales from thousands and thousands of years ago are real. Yeah, he’s credible.

  • Gregory In Seattle

    What about the passages mandating death for doing anything that might be construed as work between sunset Friday and sunset Saturday? (Exodus 31:14 and 35:2, Numbers 15:31-32) What about the passage mandating death for blasphemy? (Leviticus 24:14-23) What about the passage mandating death for disobeying a priest? (Deuteronomy 17:12) What about the passage mandating death for adultery? (Deuteronomy 22:22) What about the passages mandating death for sassing your parents? (Exodus 21:15-17, Deuteronomy 21:18-21)

    Ain’t it funny, how the Holy Laws of God Almighty don’t count when you want to ignore them, and apply only to people you hate.

    • Chucktech

      “Ain’t it funny, how the Holy Laws of God Almighty don’t count when you want to ignore them, and apply only to people you hate.”

      Yeah, it’s a real knee slapper… 😉

    • TampaDink

      He’ll bring those up at another conference. This one was all about JOY.

  • Hue-Man

    This is the same bishop who fired a priest in April, 2015.

    “A Swiss priest has been dismissed after blessing a lesbian couple, saying: “Why shouldn’t you bless a couple that wants to walk together with God?”

    Swiss priest Wendelin Bucheli has to leave his parish in Uri, a canton in Switzerland, after blessing a lesbian couple in October 2014 because it “caused a stir” across borders.” http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/02/10/priest-sacked-for-blessing-lesbian-couple/

    I won’t spoil the follow-up story but I should have said “tried to fire”! Turns out the priest’s congregation didn’t agree with the bishop.

    • Stev84

      He also made many other anti-gay comments

  • Dramphooey

    So apparently JoeMyGod’s Commenting Reminder is a better guide to morality and living a good life than that supposedly holy book?

    • Yes. That is one of the reasons I hang here. The other is great humor. And kind people like Schlukitz.

    • zhera


  • lymis

    It’s only unambiguous as it relates to Israelites while wandering in the desert, and only then, arguably, about bisexual wandering Israelites, since any gay ones wouldn’t be doing what they’d do with a woman.

    Given that most of the Levitical laws got reconned by the New Testament, there’s nothing “unambiguous” about them now.

    Gay sex has been clearly okayed, by no less an authority than St. Peter:

    Mark 7:15

    “there is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man.”

    • RoFaWh

      IOW, fuck and suck cock all you want, but don’t anyone dare to cum.

      I knew there was a good reason to study edging techniques.

  • Ted

    Note to gay Catholics.

    He wants you dead.

    Just drawing that to your attention…

    • lymis

      Be fair.

      He wants us all dead, not just the Catholic ones.

      • joe ho

        and the money those gay catholics put in the collection plate goes to fund anti-gay initiatives around the world.

        • True. Life is not perfect and then you die.
          I live in Philly, the first municipality to put a Catholic Monsignor in jail for not reporting child abuse.
          I have to look at Archbishop Chaput who was sent to Philly to mess with our child abuse laws. You are preaching to the choir.

          • joe ho

            it is indefensible and immoral to knowingly contribute money voluntarily to an organization that uses it to demonize you and to spread the homophobic messages that cause gay youth to commit suicide while stirring up anti-gay violence abroad.

            no amount of love for a 2000 year old dead jew on a stick can justify that level of hypocrisy and moral irresponsibility.

            if they can’t live with out their jesus, they can join a denomination that refrains from harming lgbts and their families.

          • The Catholic Church has been telling me what I do is ‘indefensible and immoral’ for decades.
            Fuck you and the horse your rode in on, Joan.
            In a Christian fashion of co;urse.

          • joe ho

            lol. if you can’t tell the difference between and/or are trying to equate gay sex (what the rcc says is indefensible and immoral) and knowingly and voluntarily contriubting to persecuting and demonizing gays (what i say is indefensible and immoral) you’re a mush-brained waste of space.

          • Chucktech

            I believe the Catholic parlance is “intrinsicly disordered.”

          • Yes. The Magisterium are shitweasels.

          • RoFaWh

            What is the Latin for shitweasel?

          • Mustela is Latin for weasel. Merdo is shit. MERDOMUSTELA for shitweasel singular. I have forgotten how to make it plural. Maybe MerdoMustelae.

          • Octavio

            I know so many catholics, both male and female, current believers or lapsed, who physically cut themselves. It is definitely a religion-inspired psychosis.

          • Oh yeah. What can you say about an organization whose principles make it okay to castrate 9 year old boys for musical tones because they would not allow women to sing.
            They are nuts. And they teach children like me to be nuts along with them. I did not give them access to my children.

      • NZArtist

        And yet you empower them.
        Boy are *you* dumb.

      • NZArtist

        (… in response to your reply to me which was deleted….)

        Do you identify as ‘catholic’? Your previous post implied you do.
        That’s all I need to know to qualify my previous comment. You empower the people who work to suppress you. You give legitimacy to the idea of having an invisible friend. You are used by the catholic hierarchy to conflate their membership numbers thereby giving them more political power.
        You (assuming I was correct about the ‘catholic’ part…) empower that organization of crazies.
        And it is so incredibly easy for you not to be the dumb-arse. You can just walk away from them. It’s incredibly simple just to say ‘Blimey, you’re right, it *is* all a load of crazy bollox’ and walk away.
        But no, you are *choosing* to stay a part of the cult of crazies. By your *choice* you empower these crazies. So, yeah, you’re really dumb.

    • TampaDink

      Some of us are more thick headed than others…and took decades too long to get the fuck out. Unfortunately, shit like what this particular asshole spew almost never get enough attention that our straight allies who are still mired down in their “faith” consider leaving as well.

  • Richard Rush

    If Pope Francis doesn’t fire this guy, then he will have proved that his previous words inching toward some understanding of gay people were empty rhetoric at best, or fraud at worst.

    • He fired Cardinal Burke. That is a very big deal.

      • Chucktech

        “Do it again, daddy! Er, um, I mean… il Pappa…”

  • Blake Jordan

    How many children has he molested or allowed to be molested?

  • TexPlant

    More of that christian love made to smother us all

  • A Big Sarcastic Fairy!

    I bet you dollars to doughnuts he will soon be caught in a sex scandal.

  • Joe knows who I am.

    Of course he said that! He’s a European, white, conservative, religious male who has, sadly, been allowed throughout history to remain unchallenged at the top of the food chain. Why wouldn’t he say something like that when he becomes threatened?

  • FuBear

    Methinks that this clean shaven lass is just a wee bit of a hypocrite.

  • joe ho

    and the state religion of ancient rome called for executing christians who would not offer a sacrifice to the divinity of the emperor.

    what’s his point?

    one set of mythological beliefs vs. another.

    he needs to grow up.

  • Gregory In Seattle

    It always amuses me when men who (allegedly) do not have sex with women, and who spend their days playing dress up in brocade gowns and satin slippers, condemn homosexuality.

  • joe ho

    the ancient romans considered the christians to be “haters of mankind.”

    this is why.

  • ScottChicago

    Joy in Faith? Didn’t the Nazis have some slogan with the word joy in it?

  • rextrek1

    more confirmation as to WHY Im no Longer religious and NOW an Atheist

  • GayOldLady

    Ugh, what a repulsive old man!!!

  • Steverino

    Professional eunuch says what about marriage and sexuality?

  • mml34

    uncanny resemblance to Dick Cheney.

  • Ginger Snap

    How anyone can follow someone who has nothing but hate in his heart for humanity amazes me.

    • JustSayin’

      All organized religion is based on fear. Fear of an invisible God. Fear of some unknown eternity. Fear that some other God is more powerful than your own. With out fear, sadness, depression and uncertainty religion would never have come into existence.

      From hedge witches to shamans to the pope, fear is the essential tool used to collect followers to their claim of spiritual protection.

      It follows that creating a target that is an emblem of your fear, particularly a physical target, is a rationale used for millennium to draw in new followers and focus current alcolytes on. That makes it appear the rest of your teachings are true.

      Blind obedience against the evils that your church identifies is required.

  • delk

    Those pretty little gloves won’t hide the blood on your hands.

    A true embarrassment to your so-called faith. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/958c6e3a63d62d5de19edbfc03cdac5b1510ed030fc0d68946b23bce35a56e3f.jpg

  • mikeinrkfd

    Once again a Catholic Bishop hate speaks without regard to any consequences.

  • GayOldLady

    And this is the same crap that the Evangelicals are doing from the pulpit, all around this country. They think they can proliferate hatred in the name of the bible or jesus or some prophet and that makes everything A-OK. And they tell me I’m suppose to worry about Islamic extremists? Right!!!!

  • Christophe

    Given such statements, there is no question that their organization and those who “believe” like them, are openly hostile to human rights and the civil law. These are not “religions” – they’re criminal syndicates that encourage violence against innocent men, women and children who have done nothing wrong. It’s long past time to “tax” these organizations; rather, charge, prosecute and incarcerate them as threats to the public welfare and shut them down permanently.

  • zhera

    History and logic tells us that this guy has more than a few skeletons in his closet.
    How many passages from the OT do the Catholic church live by? Seems to me the only ones they use are about homosexual sex.

  • Bob from CT

    And yet, they ignore and never quote these passages…

    Deuteronomy 21:18-21
    If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place. And they say unto the elders of his city, this our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. So shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

    Deuteronomy 22:20-21
    If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

    • billbear1961

      No proof, because, for reasons other than sex, her hymen may have broken. But that’s good enough reason to MURDER her.

      They also don’t mention that a father may sell his daughter into slavery in certain circumstances.

      They don’t call for witches or adulterers to be put to death.

      They don’t mention that a slave owes his master obedience.

      They don’t mention that if a rapist marries the girl he violates and satisfies her father with some kind of financial settlement, he is excused his crime.

      There’s LOTS the vicious FRAUDS don’t mention in their “holy” book of HORRORS.

      But the hypocrites are always ready with a handy curse and sentence of death against US.

      • Macbill

        It’s easier to unite folks against a common enemy: their ultimate goal is increased donations to “help us fight” the “Evil”.

    • Jan Wesselius

      But he is a bishop in the catholic church and has no children or at least ones that he knows about.

  • Ogre Magi

    I don’t know why so many LGBT people act like the catholics are somehow not as bad as the evangelicals

    • Some of us are Catholic.

      • Octavio

        ¡Qué lástima. Ojalá que mejore pronto!

    • billbear1961

      There is solid and large majority support among Catholics in the western world, certainly in the States, for equality for gay people, and that includes support for M.E. This isn’t true among evangelicals, where only 1 in 3 support M.E., for example, in this country (although that number is more than double the 15% it was ten years ago).

      There’s a big gulf between most lay Catholics and the reptilian Catholic hierarchy on most social issues (abortion being one of the few exceptions where there’s general agreement between them).

      • Chucktech

        Mr. Bear, I just returned from a trip to Mexico. Talk about your uber Catholic country!.

        Yet, nether I nor my husband received the first cross look, not the first glare, or sneer, or raised eyebrow, or cold shoulder. NADA! And it seemed to me that the reason was that, yes, while they are devoutly religious, there’s this sort of bifurcation in the culture that completely separates secular from religious. I was pleasantly surprised!

        • billbear1961

          I’m glad you had a good experience, Chuck, especially as there were some right-wing Catholic nutcases demonstrating against M.E. in the streets of a number of Mexican cities just last week, with the same tired old arguments that have failed in court after court after court!

          • Chucktech

            And, again, what’s truly shocking, is that those tired, bullshit arguments are ALSO losing in Mexico, too.

    • Stev84

      There is a small segment of hardcore Catholiban, but most of the laity is relatively harmless. It’s the hierarchy that is evil through and through.

  • Bryan

    “Bishopric” or “Bishoprick”?

    • Octavio

      Only his altar boys know for sure. 🙂

  • JustSayin’

    The pope may be telling this clown to retire any day now. Particularly if the Swiss government takes a stand on his statements.

    • TampaDink

      Let’s not hold our breath as we wait & hope.

  • radiofreerome

    I think he’s testing the Swiss hate speech law.

    • Is it not grand? Like watching wrestling with candles and incense. Popcorn time. Hand over that beer. .

    • Chucktech

      I hope his “test” is a resounding failure.

  • JT
    • Kissmagrits

      Gawd! That silly looking creature with the train and awful hat must have been the original client of Queen Elizabeth’s milliner.

    • billbear1961

      Oh, there are photos of Catholic clergy giving Nazi salutes.

      • Octavio

        There are photos of catlick clergy giving nazis blow jobs, too.

        • billbear1961

          Wouldn’t surprise me.

          • Octavio

            I’m dead serious.

          • gaymex

            …but they weren’t in uniform at the time, so that’s different.

  • SockMikey

    “Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”

  • Fighting Fossils

    What’s the biblical punishment for child molestation–promotion to Bishop?

    • David Walker

      Cardinal, if you’re really good at it.

    • Kissmagrits

      He might go even higher. Look what it did for Cardinal Law – – –

      • 2karmanot

        Oh yes, cardinal Law and his seminary for semenists.

    • billbear1961


  • Jan Wesselius

    the 73-year-old bishop quoted two verses from the book of Leviticus,
    While wearing nice clothes made of silk, cotton and wool. Afterwards had a lunch of lobster and shrimp salad.

  • Kissmagrits

    Somehow I read his name as Bishop Virus Huonder – – –

  • the mutt

    Oh great, a Churlish priest…

    • “Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?”” – Pope Frankie channeling King Henry.

      • brian

        I’m open to assisting, should need be.

  • Tor

    How could the asshole possibly be surprised that his words would be “interpreted” any way but “contemptuous?” BTW it is not an “interpretation.” Those were his actual words.

  • Gigi

    Leviticus 20:9-10 says that mouthy children and adulterers should be killed as well. Are we still supporting those two verses, or just the ones that allegedly condemn all gay people?

    • Constitution > Scripture

      Yeah, what Bishop Childfucker actually revealed is that civilized society no longer observes archaic scriptures.

      New Hate Speech laws, however, may be a different matter.

    • billbear1961

      Guess, Gigi.

  • Joseph Miceli

    Evil fucknazi says “what?”

    • Octavio

      “Heil Me! See my show. I’m the German Ethel Merman, don’t cha know!” 🙂

  • billbear1961

    You’re strongly implying we should be put to death and by horrific means (if we’re male homosexuals–I guess women are covered because if they’re unmarried and not virgins, they must be stoned to death, too), and you “regret” your words may have been interpreted as “contemptuous”??

    Monster, you’re no better than a guard at a Nazi death camp–you’re cut from the same murderous cloth.

    Of course, you would rely on your followers to carry out the BUTCHERY. Then, again, who knows? You might enjoy getting blood on your hands, you smirking reptile.

    People applauded what this SADIST had to say.

    Why, it’s their religious freedom to do so!

    Shameless SAVAGES!

    And they call themselves the followers of CHRIST!


    • Ben in Oakland

      Reptiles are not and cannot be catholic. Find another group to malign. Perhaps intestinal parasites?

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Why do so many people who wrap themselves in the cloak of a higher morality feel entitled to promote murder and even genocide?? There is something egregiously wrong with this heartless bishop. No compassion or empathy, a brutal rejection of the Golden Rule – yet he smugly lays claim to moral authority?!?! Its almost a pathological delusion!!

    • Chucktech

      “Almost” has nothing to do with it.

    • brian

      In thinking about it, isn’t being delusional by its very nature pathological?

    • Since the primary motive of the evil is disguise, one of the places evil people are most likely to be found is within the church. What better way to conceal one’s evil from oneself, as well as from others, than to be a deacon or some other highly visible form of Christian within our culture? … I do not mean to imply that the evil are anything other than a small minority among the religious or that the religious motives of most people are in any way spurious. I mean only that evil people tend to gravitate toward piety for the disguise and concealment it can offer them.
      Martin Buber

  • What percentage of Swiss people actually attend mass? Take away the fabulous drag paraphernalia and he’s just another lunatic ranting on the street corner about who knows what.

    • Chucktech

      Yeah, see, I knew this had sort of a death rattle characteristic to it…

    • RoFaWh

      I wonder if he practices his sermons by yelling them at passengers on trams?

  • Peter Wde

    ^ “The Swiss LGBT rights group Pink Cross says it is looking into having Huonder charged under hate speech laws.”

    Why the 1A is fabulous.

    • Chucktech

      Why don’t you go wrap yourself in the American flag and masturbate? You know you want to…

      • Peter Wde

        Done and done.

        • Oh Say Can You Semen

          Typical conservative using the flag as a cum rag.

          • Peter Wde

            Hate speech + US Flag desecration = protected speech…three cheers for the 1A

          • ThingsToLearnFromEurope

            Keep exercising that right. It will be easier to limit Hate Speech when civilized society sees Free Speech and Freedom of Religion abused in the name of hatred and bigotry. I got people working on it already.

          • Peter Wde

            Go for it, glad to help you out here!

            This is gonna be so good, give it your very best shot!

            Hate speech = protected speech…and that’s great!

            Go USA.

          • Everything Has Limits

            Try Wrap-n-Fap in public and see if it’s protected speech.

          • Peter Wde

            I’ll be sure to do that.

    • Free Speech ≠ Hate Speech

      1A is overrated. Time to reconsider. Also, definitely seeing the need for some limits on inflicting religion on the public. And if false ‘profit’ motherfuckers like this guy keep pressing the case, it won’t take long.

      • Peter Wde

        There’s certainly a protocol for amending the US Constitution, go for it, I want to watch.

        Hate speech = protected speech…Yeeeaaahh

  • The Cur of Chur has a Chub for Charnel.

  • Kissmagrits

    It looks like the RCC has staked their future on the shaky belief that the best defense is a totally repugnant offense.

    Never mind it’s costing them big time in South, Central and North America as well as much of Europe – which leads to the question: What part of this reality do they not understand?

    • Ben in Oakland

      The reality part?

      If you can believe that God sacrificed himself to himself to atone to himself for being himself, you can believe anything.

      • Kissmagrits

        Very good. I think your observation is a fine
        start for the next Halloween special on “The Simpsons”. And they could include the “Holy Ghost” part to fit the occasion.

  • justmeeeee

    You fucked up, buddy, and you are about to learn that the Swiss don’t give a shit about your church and its delusions. Your papa better start whoopin’ your ass good or he might go down with you.

  • Ronald Ibach

    Ah, the sweet words of Xtian love.

  • TampaDink

    Bring it, bitch.
    Seriously, I hope that this “message of dog’s love” will be spread to all who still struggle with & suffer from cathoholism. It will make it easier for the hangers on in our families to finally break free & kick the habit.

  • JR

    Well isn’t he just precious.

  • Apparently this guy isn’t aware that the Catholic Church has a handy official “Catechism” to explain things – I grant the Catechism can be an issue, in itself, but it doesn’t call for executing gay people. As it is, his interpretation of the Leviticus passage is addled and wrong, even if it is a fundamentalist position out of stupidity, bigotry, hatred and ignorance.

    Sadly, even though the Catechism doesn’t address “gender theory,” the RCC’s notions of what this is are seriously deficient. Needless to say, when this bishop is so quick to cite Leviticus, he (and the Church) should read Isaiah 56:5-7, Mt:25:12 and Acts 8 before being so snide about trans people.

    • Not to mention those passages, and so many others, are badly mistranslated. But of course, that doesn’t matter to them.

      • RoFaWh

        Tom, you are wrong about bad translation.

        Since roughly 1850, bibblical scholars have worked very hard to establish, as best they are able, what the original text was, in whatever language, and what that text means. This research has often caused a great deal of unhappiness among the “religious”. (Note astute use of scare quotes.)

        It was a huge advance when the Oxyrhynchus papyri were recovered from ancient trash heaps in the Fayum around 1900. Until then, the Greek of the NT had been something of a puzzle, as it differed from classical Greek in many ways. The O. p. revealed that the NT is written in the everyday spoken Greek of the day, koine. This has led to great improvements in translations of the bibble.

        In a similar way, the Dead Sea scrolls have shed light on ancient Hebrew grammar, vocabulary, and idiom.

        If today you buy a modern translation of the bibble prepared by scholars not interested in grinding an axe, you are getting a pretty good translation into English.

        Also note that the pursuit of the “original text” and its meaning is something that has been worked on since the very early days of xtiandom.

        Paleography has also revealed that considerable parts of the OT are derived from the religious writings of older middle eastern cultures. The Noah’s Ark tale is just one example. Again, the “religious” intensely dislike this. Like cockroaches, they don’t like light. Or enlightenment.

    • Stev84

      He claims that he was just speaking metaphorically and that Leviticus in a non-literal way proves the “catechism” right

      • The Magisterium (“teaching authority) of the RCC is *way* off the mark when it comes to interpreting biblical passages on moral issues.

        I can preach on the “sin of Onan” and show that the “spilling the seed on the ground” in and of itself is not the sin, but Onan’s motivation of selfishness and avarice. Similarly, if one understands that “lying with a man” in and of itself isn’t a sin – it’s if one does it with an intent to debase and humiliate the penetratee – much as what the Men of Sodom wanted to do with lot’s visitors. The fact that both should be “executed?” For the macho’s victim, it’s a sort of “Death because of being Dishonored.” The passage really has nothing to do with modern concepts involving loving relationships – though the Bible gives us Jonathan and Saul, and perhaps Naomi and Ruth, as examples.


    Michele Bachmann’s Swiss citizenship finally makes sense.

  • Cosmo Tupper

    “If a Catholic Bishop also lie with a child, as he lieth with a woman, the “man-o-god” has committed an abomination: he shall surely be put to death; his blood shall be upon himself.”

    • Chucktech

      Oh, c’mon, now… I’d phrase it more like, “If a Catholic Bishop also lie with a child, as he lieth with a woman, the “man-o-god” has committed an abomination: he shall surely be thrown in prison for about 30 years and his archdiocese will be sued into non-existence.”

  • Porkie

    The bible also calls for the execution of unmarried non virgins, adulterers ( according to the baby Jesus that should include divorced remarried people) Oh, and children who are not polite to their parents.
    The Catholic church trying so hard to find relevence in the modern world and ……er…..failing.
    BTW, the frock , Yellow is NOT your colour.

  • Princess Lardass

    I find it nearly impossible to be intimidated by such passages when the person who is quoting them is dressed like THAT!

    • Frommer_Gast

      Don´t mistake ridiculousness for harmlessness … it is tempting, but dangerous!

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Arrest the criminal Catholic priest for hate speech and lock him up for good.

  • Octavio

    How many altar boys has this bishop diddled?

    • gaymex

      Hey diddle, diddle,
      The Pope’s in the middle
      While the bishop fucks little boys.

      • Ben in Oakland

        The little dog laughed
        To see such a sport
        And Bish ran away with the toys.

        • gaymex


  • TampaDink

    In the last half of the 20th century the r.c. church brought about (at least in N. America) an annual “theme weekend”. They call it “Right to Life Sunday”…where all clergy are compelled to preach against abortion.
    I hope that they’ll be bold enough to push this towards a theme weekend.
    I firmly believe that “Right to Kill Sunday” should help thin the herd.

    • RoFaWh

      Fortunately, in developed countries the RC laity give at best lip service to the church’s ravings about sex.

      They (the laity) know that RC hierarchs are celibate men who know very little about sexual life as experienced by. others. They may have experience with altar boys, women in confessionals, or other men when on vacation a long way from home, but a happy couple of any description is terra incognita to them.

      • TampaDink

        Perhaps one day the U.S. will fall into this category. Catholics in the U.S. may not abide by every/any official church teachings but those who do attend mass consistently are all exposed to statements, demands & money begs from bishops who often will demonize us as part of their gig.

    • Deina
  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    People applauding a call for the execution of their fellow citizens at an event titled, *Joy in Faith*. That’s just fucked up.

    • Catholics give good gaslighting,

      The Pontifical Council for Culture in Rome, presided over by Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi and made up of cardinals and bishops who are all men, discussed “Women’s Cultures: Equality and Difference” from February 4-7, 2015. The council chose Man Ray’s Venus Restored 1936 as the cover illustration for its study document in preparation for the meeting.


      • RoFaWh

        I wonder if that sculpture (or the photo of it) is under copyright and, if so, they thought to get permission to use it.

        • Whoa. Good question. I like the way you think.

        • Man Ray died in 1976, so his works will still be under copyright.

          His Venus Restored evidently comes in two versions, the better-known being the black-and-white photograph of 1936 which he issued in an edition of 10, and the sculpture of which the Pontifical Council has used a colour photo.

          Google didn’t enlighten me on whether MR created several copies of it also, but if he did, it is possible that there is one in the Vatican collection and they simply took a photo of it and could claim that putting that on the cover of their document constituted fair use of an item they own. It’s also possible that they hired a stock photograph from someone like Getty Images.

          Either way it strikes me as a peculiar choice of image; one wonders what point they intended to make with it.


  • matt n

    he can kiss the possibility of a red beanie goodbye under francis

    • Yep. Andiamo Pope Frankie!

      • matt n

        it looks like hounder is pretty happy with that giant penis tip on his head. the most gay hating of them sure love extravagant costumes… burke is off the charts with his $30,000 robes.

        • And his Bishop’s ruby ring would choke a horse. He has a boy to hold his train. Pope Frankie fired him. Good.

  • NancyP

    The best possible outcome is for this guy’s words to be disseminated among the diocesan congregations and for the people in the pews to stop giving money to the Church. That’s the only language the hierarchy understands.

  • duanebidoux

    It also unambiguously calls for the subjugation of women and slavery which just goes to show the Bible is in totaliity a Bronze Age piece of shit.

    • RoFaWh

      A Bronze Age p.o.s. that by happenstance includes a few elementary observations on morality. (Nothing special)

      There. Fixed that for you.

      • ,,,and some great poetry.

      • duanebidoux

        Elementary being your key word

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    “Both of these passages alone suffice to clarify unambiguously the church’s position on homosexuality”.

    It’s nice to confirm what we already know. That under that thin veneer of niceness the catholic church is chomping at the bit to get back to the good old days of fag burning.

    • Daniel

      Champing, but yeah.

      • CARLIN!

      • Raising_Rlyeh

        Thanks for the correction.

  • Mark

    Dude is standing there all dolled up in gold with his doily-on-a-poker, he’s got a cardboard cutout on his head, and he thinks I’m the queer? Even Neiman doesn’t carry those pitiful digs. So, I guess, dude will have to off himself….without jack.

  • StraightGrandmother

    Ant Gay Hatred is institutionalized in the Catholic church.
    Just remember all the exercisms they have done where laws were changed & gay couples could marry. I know that they did one for the State of Illinois, might have been Bishop Jenky or even an arch bishop.

    They did the same thing in Mexico. If i remember right in Mexico they even brought over an “expert” exorcist out of Spain.

    It starts at the top with Pope Francis saying all Catholics should fight, “Gender Idolatry” It is so unbelievable as there are so many gay priests, Bishops & Cardinals.

    Edit: I think Minnesota too, that Arch Bishop or maybe it is a Cardinal, the one who got kicked out of his job for being gay after a prosecutor filed charges against the arch diocese for covering p child sexual abuse. . They had like 8 priests & lay people swear the dude (Arch Bishop/Cardinal) was gay. That guy too, I think he did an exorcism when Minnesota passed gay marriage.

    • Ben in Oakland

      Archbishop Nienstedt in Minneapolis, Grandma.

  • 2guysnamedjoe

    Nice frock, Vitee. Matches your eyes.

  • Daniel

    Keep talkin’! You’re helpin’!

  • And the clocking ticking down to the moment hes’ caught with his cock in a minor starts….NOW.

  • Stev84

    I see that he is wearing glasses.

    “For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. No man who has any defect may come near: […] no man who has any eye defect” — Leviticus 20:17-20

    • gaymex

      He needs to be able to spot any stray altarboy pubes on the front of his frock.

      • noni

        and girls.

        • gaymex

          Yep..I keep forgetting they are equally perverse with boys and girls.

  • Drake

    This guy looks just like Dick Cheny.

    • gaymex

      For sure.

  • gaymex

    Please don’t make any comments that could be used against us. It will give them the ammunition they need to prove what awful, unfit subhuman beings we are. Please, please, please. He is a spokesperson for the Catholic Church…respect that.

    • noni

      I agree with you. However they need no ammunition from us for their hate speech. They come up with all kinds of lies about us out of thin air daily so no matter what we say or do we can’t compete with their hate speech.

      As for respecting the Catholic Church spokesmodels that’s absurd.

      • gaymex

        I meant the whole thing as absurd. I have no respect for that evil empire and I don’t think we should hold our tongues if we are saying what is true…or even what our fantasy punishment would be for all the hate they send us. Surely that hate is a manifestation of what they call a soul.

        • Ben in Oakland

          If you’re going to be sarcastic, make your sarcasm a little bit more obvious. You’ve done a reverse poe.

          • gaymex

            I thought it was pretty outrageous myself. Sorry for the miscommunication. I actually totally hate the fuckers and what they stand for. That said, I was glad to learn what a reverse poe is. I need to learn to make those little winky things.

          • Ben in Oakland

            I figured that out in your next few postings. Your first one wasn’t so clear, but it seemed like sarcasm, which I noted to the person who responded to you.

    • Ben in Oakland

      I don’t intend to make any comments that could be used against us, because I’m not interested in threatening anybody’s life. But neither will I allow anyone to call for my execution and not go by unchallenged.

      You say to respect That he is a spokesman for the church. Why does that merit automatic respect? If he and his church wants to be respected, then maybe he and his church ought to act respectably.

      Calling for my execution is not exactly what I would call respectable. So, I will continue to call people like this bigots, self-righteous, and full of hate.

      • gaymex

        I couldn’t agree with you more.

    • Matthew 23

      Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

      2 The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:

      3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

      4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

      5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

      6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

      7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

      8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

      9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

    • ExGayTherapyKills

      you are right we should not call them pedophiles instead call them child rapist.

  • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

    He expressed regret that his words were interpreted as contemptuous. In other words, “I’m sorry you didn’t applaud me.”

  • noni

    Catholic Rules and Regs that they have and would like to impose on everyone.

    Chastity and homosexuality

    2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

    2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

    2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.


    • KarenAtFOH

      When Christian Perfection consists of executing LGBT people, I’ll be good with my imperfections, thanks.

    • ExGayTherapyKills

      Have you tried to get help?

    • ExGayTherapyKills

      Catholics do not rule, the rich and the powerful control the Catholic Church and use it as a tool to control people. They have no real power other than the power you give them.

  • noni

    One of many reasons Catholics become so warped about human sexuality and why their leadership is able to so easily sexual assault the members (including their children) of their church:

    2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. “Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.”138 “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of “the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved.”139


    • noni

      The Magisterium? I call bullshit and rename it to the
      Immagisterium of the Church, something akin to the Imagineers.

  • radiofreerome

    A certain Bishop Atherton of Northern Ireland insisted on imposing a death penalty for sodomy. Of course he was the first man executed under this law. Careful what you wish for, Bish!

  • anne marie in philly

    and yet you are comfortable with raping young children and beating up young children? thought so! STFU!

  • dwieboldt

    While, of course, the bible says nothing about priest molesting children in church…

  • That’s right, we need a lesson on what is the right thing to do from Nazi collaborators.

  • The Bishop’s bible apparently has a footnote.

    Old Testament: “Thou shalt not kill*”

    New Testament: “And the second is like, namely this, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is none other commandment greater than these.*”

    *this commandment is null and void for homosexuals; instead, thou shalt kill them and hate them like no other

  • Schlukitz

    “Yesterday Huonder released a statement in which he expressed regret that his words were interpreted as “contemptuous.”

    The usual non-apology that we’ve all become so accustomed to hear from the haters.

    He meant every fucking word of what he said. He just regrets being called on them. I hope that he gets charged with hate speech.

  • Tom (Winnipeg)

    This unabashedly narcissistic cross-dresser takes great pride in speaking for God. I just read that dozens of his churches have closed their doors. When more people begin to see these psychological menaces for what they are, many more of these churches will close down. Good riddance to them.

  • Mark Glenn

    I like “also” meaning committing adultery, Oops

  • JCF

    He seems nice.

  • Isn’t it interesting how many “Christians” have their heads firmly stuck up their Leviticus. It’s like Jesus never existed.

  • NMNative

    Sanctimonious ass wipe. Then tries to apologize. Go to hell Bishop, most of your contemporaries will be there waiting for you.

  • TheSeer

    The only difference between The Bible and Mein Kampf is that one was victorious and the other was not.

  • GayEGO

    We have all heard that negative, hateful, crap written by uneducated people of the old days. It should be left back in the old days as civilization is learning that it is nonsense and they are supporting equality for humans.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    It that guy with the crazy hat still there?

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Only the criminally insane want to kill innocent people.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    How many children has the bishop raped and abused?

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    He looks gay.

  • Lau’

    Hello !

    I share here the link of a petition, demanding a public disapproval of Huonder’s hate speech from the Swiss Bishops Conference :


    Every signature helps !

    Please sign, and share as much as possible this link.

    Laurence Mamin, Initiator of the petition.

    (and sorry for my bad English ! 🙂 )

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Stop criminal Catholics

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Has he been arrested yet?

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