NEW YORK: Dozens Of Catholic Churches Close As Archdiocese Consolidates

Reuters reports:

Teary-eyed and angry Catholic parishioners across New York attended final mass services on Friday in some of dozens of churches closing or stopping regular worship services. The closures follow an announcement by the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York in November that it would consolidate 368 parishes into 294, reflecting a national trend of parish closures in the United States caused by low attendance, a shortage of priests and financial troubles. Parishioners expressed sadness at the shuttering of churches like Our Lady of Peace, a red brick church with an ornate interior on Manhattan’s Upper East Side that is more than 100 years old. “It’s like a death in the family,” said Manhattan resident Lola Skaro, a retiree in her late 70s, who became emotional when talking about the church she had visited everyday since her retirement.

The Daily News notes that workers were changing the locks at some of the nearly two dozen closing churches in New York City as the final mass took place. (Tipped by JMG reader Jerald)

  • vorpal

    This article, like the remaining parishioners, made me teary-eyed, too: with joy.

    Decreasing church attendance is a massive win for the human race as a whole, as far as I’m concerned.

    • Corey

      It is also a win for real estate developers who will convert them into condos or apartments or bulldoze them.

      • Bill

        A friend of mine “converted” a church for her family and whatever animals she has. It’s suppose to a great place now.
        Converted Warehouses for Artist in Tribeca,
        Converted Fire Houses……….
        Heck at lest there should be no demons, around unless you enjoy them.

    • Sashineb

      Yes, exactly. And I can’t wait to hear similar news about Southern Baptist churches.

      • Steverino

        And evangelical fundamentalist mega-churches like Saddleback. They are the worst.

        • Sashineb

          Yes — and that includes any church that uses the pulpit to influence people to hate other people. The “righteous” evangelicals are the worst.

        • Nic Peterson

          And let’s not forget that churches have excellent accoustics which lend quite nicely to being repurposed as gay bars!

          • Captain Jack

            I remember going to one in 1970 in New York City called the sanctuary … The DJ was up near the altar.

      • radiofreerome

        My brother and I have an agreement that the first of us who becomes filthy rich will build “The Last Baptist Church.”

    • b

      Good news. Bye, bigots. Don’t let the Door hit you on your way out.

    • ExGayTherapyKills

      Why are they hiding the money they owe abuse victims?

    • chrisinphx

      Now, teh gays need to buy up the closed churches and turn them into fabulous lofts.

  • Reality.Bites

    Reminds me of the old lawyer joke “What do you call a busload of lawyers driving off a cliff?”

    What do you call dozens of Catholic churches being closed? A good start.

    • Schlukitz

      Or a shipload of lawyers sinking in the Atlantic. ;-P

  • Homo Erectus

    Praise the Lard!

  • StraightGrandmother

    Hopefully they close Bill Donohue’s church and he has to go find a new home.
    VERY GOOD NEWS!
    Catholics wield way to much power here and globally. It is a joy to see them closing up shop in many places. I hope the trend continues. They want our laws to mirror Catholic beliefs, they should stay out of politics, that is their downfall. And this Pope is actually the most Political Pope in my lifetime.
    I’m gonna BARF when he gets the red carpet rolled out to address a Joint Session of Congress. We should NOT have religious leaders (it is a fig leaf that he is also head of State of Vatican State, that is NOT a State it is a RELIGION) addressing our joint sessions of Congress. Catholic Boehner did this.
    We are NOT the United Catholic States of America!

    • Gustav2

      Donohue probably attends St Pat’s to keep a high profile.

    • Reality.Bites

      Does he actually attend church? It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s not a regular churchgoer. Churches have a congregation and he strikes me as a cantankerous unpleasant person.

      • JIM W

        He probably has a priest that’s on call to come to his house to say mass. Yes, it happens.

    • Craig Howell

      Or, more simply and historically resonant, the Papal States of America.

    • Schlukitz

      “We are NOT the United Catholic States of America!”

      Ya cudda fooled me! LOL

    • BobSF_94117

      1) JPII was, by far, the most political pope of the last century. Francis would have to go full liberal warrior for the poor and the planet to match him. (And that ain’t gonna happen.)

      2) Catholic voters support gay rights (and women’s rights and the rights of the poor) more than any other major denomination or group of denominations. Catholicism is often a great liberal force. See point #1 as to why that’s less the case now than in the 70s.

      • Schlukitz

        Source for item 2 please?

      • DaveW

        Is this a defense of Catholicism? The church does some PR and they are a great liberal force? Someone has been duped. Those developing. Areas that they “help” are the largest sources of growth they have had. It’s pretty obvious what the PR machine is up to there.

        And those liberal voters? You mean the ones who hat fund the hate machine. I do not believe for one second that masses of them vote for us in the privacy of the booth. They vote for their “salvation”.

        Maybe point 1 co tributes but it’s the right-ification of society, allowing them to look nicer than they are, that most have observed since the 70’s.
        Gullible is a trait they exploit very well.

        • BobSF_94117

          “I do not believe for one second that masses of them vote for us in the privacy of the booth.”

          Then you must not believe in polling.

          I’m not particularly defending Catholicism so much as Catholics. There’s something about being raised Catholic that leads an awful lot of them to be way more liberal than recent residents of Papal Throne would like.

    • RobNYNY1957

      It’s quite common for non-heads of state to address Congress. Angela Merkel and Tony Blair come to mind. The Dalai Lama actually led Congress in prayer.

      • DaveW

        Two wrongs…. Religion does not belong in our government. Keep it in the trailer parks if you must-it’s trash.

        Growing up we didn’t socialize with Catholics . Not allowed in our club as the working class religion. As Anglicans we thought we were better. Took me until age 12 to figure that one out., but I still hate episcopalian less.
        But ateast I knew the whore from Rome was evil and for bad people. All the Catholics I know don’t care about the bigotry. They may not agree but the fund it. Trash, I say!

      • Schlukitz

        Common, indeed!

    • Randy Left Brooklyn

      You seem to be forgetting Pope John Paul II.

  • oikos

    Puts a smile on my face and a spring in my step.

    https://youtu.be/JSUIQgEVDM4

    • Dan M

      ahhh, the opening theme from Apocalypse Now never sounded so good. πŸ™‚

      • Gindy51

        I love the smell of RCC church closings in the morning!

  • Bj Lincoln

    I never understood why some women went to church every day. One would think they have something better to do with their time instead of supporting a belief that is backward and hateful. Be a real christian and spend your time helping the poor and needy.

    • Happy Dance

      I have a lady friend who is Catholic. She goes to church all the time too. They are always at the church just praising the jeebus! She loves to post on FB about how full her spirit is.

      • Gustav2

        Did you say, “Full of s….pirit.”

      • tom dumptee

        my catlik nutjob neib has her cell “set” so it calls her 10 TIMES a day,to REMIND her to tell jesus how much she loves him

        • Reality.Bites

          I bet Jesus started blocking her number years ago

        • Bj Lincoln

          That is just sad.

        • Happy Dance

          If one loves the Jeebs so much, why would they need an alarm to remind them?

      • Schlukitz

        That’s not all she is “full of”. ;-P

    • StraightGrandmother

      Because they are bored an have nothing else in their lives.

      • Reality.Bites

        Wassa matter? They too good for martinis and porn?

  • Reality.Bites

    This will help with New York’s perennial parking problem.

  • JT

    How much is that land worth and what will the diocese make off of it now?

    • Bj Lincoln

      They may sell it but so many are ‘historical’ and can’t be tore down or turned into something else. Maybe someone can buy one and turn it into a Big Gay Wedding Chapel!

      • Homo Erectus

        That’s a brilliant idea!

        • Bj Lincoln

          Thank you.

      • RDnDC

        In DC, some former churches have been developed into Condos or Coops. The units are unique in space planning.

      • IcyFaye

        Strip Club.

      • Schlukitz

        “Having tried hard in several churches to raise funds for legacy expenses, I know it’s a tough sell, and getting tougher. And it should be a tough sell. Churches had no business building facilities they could barely afford to construct, not endowing them to cover ongoing expenses, and expecting future generations to be locked into their decisions.
        This is especially true in situations where over-the-top grandeur fed the hubris of a certain group, and now that group and their deep pockets are gone.

        The problem is that too many religious institutions have built their lives around maintaining legacy facilities. They haven’t built the community and shared mission that would enable them to abandon the Gothic pile and still have a reason for being. Take away their facilities, and suddenly there isn’t anything binding them.

        https://sojo.net/articles/what-shopping-malls-can-learn-churches

  • BearEyes

    Now those buildings need to be re-purposed into something good.

    • Reality.Bites

      It’s always nice when a garbage dump is reclaimed.

    • Homo Erectus

      Alice’s Restaurant anybody?

    • Ed Burrow

      Well, Amsterdam did have that huge dance club that was an old church. Works for me.

      • geoffalnutt

        There was Limelight…years ago.

  • Homo Erectus

    74 down, 294 to go.

    • bill

      to the tune of 100 Bottles of beer on the wall…
      to cute

    • McSwagg

      20% is a good down payment on any real estate deal.

  • A Big Sarcastic Fairy!

    Just desserts.

  • I wonder how many of these properties will end up being sold off to endow cemetery funds so Kiddie Rape, Inc. can attempt to shield billions more from judgments against them?

    • RNegron

      “Kiddie Rape, Inc.” – That is soooo… 20th century. I prefer “industrial scale duggarers”.

    • TampaDink

      Dolan has a history of doing just what you’ve described exactly as he did in his last post Arch bastard of Milwaukee.

      • McSwagg

        “Arch-bastard” sounds like an evil genius master criminal from the world of ‘Batman, the Dark Knight’.

        I like it!!!!

        • TampaDink

          Liquidating assets via parish closures & hiding the money in cemetery trust funds seems like something an evil foe of a super hero would do.

  • Adam

    I wonder what will be done with the buildings. I know may non-profits are starved for affordable meeting places and performance venues. Hopefully at leave a few will become non-profit performance spaces or rented by community orgs. I am sure many of these buildings have historic preservation restrictions, and won’t be torn down any time soon.
    I’m not as anti-religion as some on this board; I can understand the anger and distrust many have for the Catholic Church. Still, it makes me sad to see these multi-decade community institutions close.

    • BobSF_94117

      If we lived in more “socialist” times, many of them would continue to be used by the local communities, as meeting halls, performance spaces, social-service offices, etc., etc. Instead, they’ll be converted into cramped, expensive condos.

    • RoFaWh

      But even a non-profit will face the expense of maintaining an old, overly fancy building that needs a new heating system, a new roof, proper insulation of exterior surfaces, and such.

      Better to wash one’s hands of it, tear down the surplus edifices, and build more useful structures on their sites.

  • Richard Rush

    It’s nice to wake up on a Monday morning to some genuinely Good News!

  • Jan Wesselius

    Attendance is down, maybe people are finding out that all religion is just a bunch of myths designed to keep people in line for the church control. They are hateful myths too. After reading the bible I would not have much to with God either. Kills people, destroys cities, makes fathers kill their sons, makes daughters get sold or married to rapists. Yep religion is so wonderful makes you fear God.

  • Toasterlad

    Catholic tears are the SWEETEST tears.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    Many of the rules regarding biological evolution apply to culture. If an entity is unable (or unwilling) to change with the times , or evolve, they are doomed to eventual extinction.

    The RCC has changed many times in the past, but they can’t find their way to reconcile women’s rights and LGBT rights within their dogma. The coverup of the sexual abuse didn’t help and the disclosure that abusing priests were merely transferred rather than subjected to the legal system has further eroded trust for the church.

    Those crying about church closures should look at the real reasons.

    The church pictured is lovely. They could make a very pretty penny by selling it as a private home.

    • Schlukitz

      Yes. A new era is at hand.

      Old-fashioned gold-encrusted temples of worship filled with priceless art, 24K gold accessories and stained glass windows are cloing in large numbers. They are the albatrosses of an era of excesses, just like the mansions of the neuveau riche at the turn of the twentieth century.

      These buildings were costly to erect to begin with and taking inflation into account, exceedingly costly to maintain. Many are reaching the end of their useful lives and the cost of refurbishing them would be staggering. Much cheaper to just walk away from them after stripping them.

      Has anyone noticed the proliferation of “churches” in abandoned stores in malls around the country as of late?

      http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/02/us/religion-journal-yes-god-is-everywhere-even-at-the-local-mall.html

      I would hazzard a guess that we probably have more churches in the USA at this moment, than in the entire history of this country. They just don’t look like the churches that we grew up with.

      Almost every mall here in Florida seems to have one.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        I’ve seen storefront churches, but never one in a mall. I’d say that there are a ton of differences between “traditional” church buildings and storefronts. Some of those include many small sects that break off from larger congregations due to ideological differences, they are not the main attraction within a community, and I would venture to say they have far less influence.

        A small space that might only have a few dozen people attending at any one time can’t compare with a church in which large community meetings can be held and that contain classrooms for Sunday school, along with a number of other spaces.

        I can’t help but see these various evangelical churches as small individual cults.

        Do they get to pay less rent I wonder?

        • Schlukitz
          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I had no doubt you were right, it’s just that in the malls I frequent, I’ve never seen one. But then, there are only two malls I go to on a regular basis. Thanks for the links.

          • Schlukitz

            You are exceedingly welcome. πŸ™‚

          • McSwagg

            Perhaps its just a matter of semantics. In some parts of the country, a shopping center with a half dozen storefronts and a parking lot out front is often referred to as a ‘strip mall’.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I assumed Schlukitz was talking about one of the larger malls and not a strip mall. Both of those terms are pretty clearcut throughout the country.

            But, many terms aren’t and it can be like talking a different language when we move from place to place. Here’s a fun quiz that showcases that very nicely.

            http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?_r=0

          • McSwagg

            I was born in Texas and raised in the South by parents who themselves were from New England. My dad was in the military. Regional language differences have been a part of my life from my earliest memories. You are right that it can seem like talking a different language as you move from place to place.

            My grandfather once told me he could tell which Boston suburban town someone was from by their speech. After that, I could detect the differences, but couldn’t name the towns as I wasn’t that familiar with the regional geography.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I belong to an online group with people all over the country and the world. We often discuss those regional differences and I find it beyond interesting. Something as simple as a dessert can mean so many different things. depending on where you are from. All of these differences are catalogued by linguists because they can tell us so much. But even behavior can alert us to certain things.

            I could be anyplace in the world and pick out a native New Yorker because there are two types of behavior that are unique to them.

            Did you ever have any problems in school if you used any of the New England terms? As far as your grandpa, you’d have to be a native in order to do what he could do, or have a really good ear and a lot of experience.

          • McSwagg

            Since I was born and raised in the south, I tend to speak more ‘southern’ than ‘Yankee’, although it was really a bit of a mixture. People in the south said I talked like a Yankee, and my relatives in Massachusetts teased me for sounding ‘southern’. In a sense, I was bi-lingual in the two dialects, able to go back and forth between the two without much effort, but my accent is more (weakly) southern. I caught more hell over being Catholic in the south than anything else.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            In some ways, you really were bilingual. And, I’m very aware of how evangelicals view catholics. We have a former catholic in the family who became evangelical. The stuff she says about the catholics are truly scary. I don’t care for violence in any form, but she has no problem saying what she thinks should happen to those that adhere to mythology different than hers. It must have been difficult for you.

          • McSwagg

            The bigoted teachers were the worst. But I left all that religious hocus-pocus behind decades ago. It’s all water under the bridge now.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Okay, just went through the links you sent, and you are correct. I haven’t been paying attention. All of this is new information to me. I especially like the malls being turned into college space. Thanks again.

          • Schlukitz

            At your service, with a bow and a tip of the hat, Ma’am. πŸ™‚

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            LOL, and they say chivalry is dead.

          • Schlukitz

            One of my favorite Mae West lines. πŸ™‚

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I adore Mae West. A woman who was light years ahead of her time.

          • Schlukitz

            She certainly was.

        • Six Pins Delores

          “Do they get to pay less rent I wonder?”
          Being TAX FREE must help.

        • Schlukitz

          The annual rent that they pay is far less than the cost of heating, air-conditioning, utilities, repairs, maintenance and and the staff required for the upkeep of an aging building.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            That makes a lot of sense.

          • RoFaWh

            A large, complex building at that.

            And generally one that was built long before modern advances in heating, ventilation, fire suppression, disabled access, and structural design.

          • Schlukitz

            Excellent points.

      • BobSF_94117

        Given a choice between well-crafted buildings built to last centuries and strip-mall churches, I’ll take the former.

        • Schlukitz

          As long as it’s on your dime…and not mine. LOL

          • BobSF_94117

            Well, the communities already built the buildings, so it’s not on your dime or mine. Unless you’re referring to new places of worship. Certainly no dime coming from me on that one…

          • Schlukitz

            Actually, it is on both of our dimes.

            We pick up the taxes that the churches do not pay because of their “special privileges” that they enjoy while yapping about how wrong it is for we LGBT people to be asking for “special privileges which are actually civil rights that they enjoy but do not wish us to have.

            That’s a subsidy that neither of us agreed to.

        • RoFaWh

          Given the dire photographs of decayed buuildings in Detroit, including any number of churches, I have concluded that very few churches, if any, are or were “built to last for centuries.”

          Without constant upkeep, they don’t even last a couple of decades.

    • Craig Howell

      Or as a gay-oriented B&B.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Whatever they turn the building into, I hope it stays up because it’s very pretty and charming. I’ve seen a number of homes that were repurposed from old churches and they are really beautiful. The smaller ones aren’t always practical for private bedrooms, but they are awesome as private homes.

        • Six Pins Delores

          It is a shame they don’t use them to shelter the homeless instead of installing water systems on active buildings to chase them off.

          • Schlukitz

            That would mean that they would have to spend money otherwise used for pampering themselves with all of the creature comforts of this world.

            Not gonna happen anytime soon, unfortuantely.

        • Schlukitz
          • Wynter Marie Starr

            There’s a lot more of them on a google search of “homes made from old churches”

          • Schlukitz

            Yes, there is.

            I’ve seen quite a few of them and I must say that I could be quite happy living in any number of them. πŸ™‚

  • Hue-Man

    Another foreign multinational closes unprofitable American branch plants.

    • Mark Cross

      AMEN, exactly!

  • Robert W. Pierce

    A very good thing. Let’s hope the trend continues ad infinitum.

  • bkmn

    The irony is that even with the kiddie abuse lawsuits the RCC has enough wealth amassed to pay the injured and keep all the churches open. The RCC could have all the priests they need if they changed their stance on celibacy.

    • Reality.Bites

      I don’t know about that. I don’t think mainline churches are awash with ministers. It’s a hard life, with few compensations and it’s very hard on your family

    • Schlukitz

      They no longer need priests.

      They now have our taxpayer funded politicians to do that for them.

  • Mark

    And this is what happens when money and faith move from a personal assurance to a public seat via a lead role in a cage. No one likes being confined and restricted when life in today’s realm offers a wandering path of tribulation and triumph. So the old iron stalls come down…

    • Schlukitz

      This is not exactly something to be cheerful about. A tremendous change is taking place in the field of religion, just as in the transtion of business from bricks and motor to the Internet.

      Why do they need their own buildings when they can preach from the pulpits of our secular government buildings, our schools, the media and the Internet and reach a far bigger audience than their meager little gold plated sanctuaries could ever offer?

      There’s no money is Sunday Masses to nice little grey-haired ladies living on a fixed stipend. The big bucks come from the aforementioned sources.

      That way, the taxpayers and consumers pick up the tab.

      • Toasterlad

        Most people don’t go to mass to see god. They go to mass to see their friends and do something social together.

        Once the Catholic church makes it impossible – or even inconvenient – to meet their “weekly obligation”, people will be done with the church. No one is going to get anyone under 70 to listen to the radio for an hour every Sunday when they could be watching TV or surfing the internet. Closing down brick and mortar buildings is indeed a sign that the church is dying.

        • Schlukitz

          I would not be too quick to buy into the myth that the church is dying. Morphing into a different beast perhaps…but not dying.

          Bricks and moror businesses are dying as well, but are being quickly replaced by Internet giants like Amazon, etc.

          Fastest growing church in the world.

          https://www.elam.com/article/fastest-growing-church-world

          Another church that is growing rapidly and is largely responsible for what is happening in Uganda.

          https://carm.org/ihop

          I would strongly recommend the film “God Loves Uganda” which is available for free viewing on Netflix if you have an account.

          • Toasterlad

            Churches grow in places where there is poverty and hopelessness. Like Uganda. Like our South. But they need a vacuum to grow, and the internet and social media are an anathema to that. When kids are exposed to differing points of view prior to the age of reason, they can’t be fully indoctrinated in a way that they will carry throughout their lives.

            It is ludicrous to compare brick and mortar stores to churches. B&M stores sell physical things that people want and/or need. and which they can still get from online retailers. Churches sell false ideologies and phony spirituality, which people quickly learn to do without once they can no longer access it in communal form. If you remove the community aspect to the church, it will die.

            The church is interested in one thing: making money. They don’t give a shit about the “message” that politicians are spreading, beyond the extent that it promotes their brand. They sell xenophobia and homophobia and sexism because these have historically been good motivators to get people to feel superior about themselves. In today’s shrinking world, such tactics are no longer valid. Those churches which embrace the new realities regarding gays and women will survive longer than those who don’t, but all are ultimately doomed by wireless broadband.

          • Schlukitz

            “Churches grow in places where there is poverty and hopelessness. Like Uganda.”

            The movie God Loves uganda makes that point very strongly.

  • Mister Don

    Shortage of altar boys?

  • uhhuhh

    Progress toward its ultimate demise.

  • David F.

    Done in by their own greed. My old church was always Franciscan RC. Our last Fransican priest was a spiritual man. He cared for the people and all the parishioners. Then the Diocese forced him out since he wouldn’t enforce tithing to the Diocese Development Fund, which had officially ended five years before his arrival (it was their cash cow). You don’t tell a bunch of coal and steel workers who have lost their jobs and are barely scraping by that they must contribute 10% or they are no longer welcome. Father Sylvan was the embodiment of all the good that was once the Catholic Church and he was one of the most amazing people that I ever knew. He was the embodiment of true spirituality. The replacement was from the Diocese. A liar, a thief, and a kiddie diddler. And terrified of the dark – would stay up till dawn then go to bed. By the time I graduated high school my faith in the Church as an institution was gone. I was already a long time agnostic by that time and just going through the motions to keep peace in the family. By the time I graduated college the church had been closed and I was an atheist. The Catholic church brought this upon themselves and the parishioners let it happen and didn’t force any accountability on the Church. Karma’s a bitch.

    • radiofreerome

      There’s a fairly interesting book in the story you just told. I’d certainly read it.

    • joeyj1220

      Like you I was born and raised Catholic and attended Catholic high school run by some incredible nuns who were passionate about social justice and fired up my activism side. While the closing of these churches does not make me sad, I do think of some of these religious figures with fondness and a spirit of thanks

  • Duh-David

    This happened five-ten years ago on the Northcoast with the Diocese of Cleveland closing or merging 52 churches. Our neighborhood parish was thriving with a full convent, full K-12 school and weekday masses. All closed. After several years parts of the school reopened as a secular preschool and day care, the church was leased to a small Evangelical Baptist congregation and although they at first had a shuttle bus to take the faithful 10 miles to St. Philomena’s in East Cleveland, my neighbor lady nows tells me St. P’s is closed so the bus will no longer run. She tells me she and her little old lady friends are now getting their required mass from the radio, because it is too difficult to get to their assigned parish. Thus goes the once mighty Catholic church.

  • Webslinger

    I could not resist

  • Jeffg166

    Luxury condo conversion.

  • joe ho

    the roman catholic church, one of the most evil institutions in the history of mankind.

  • Schlukitz

    What a wonderful opportunity for re-purposing. These churches would make a wonderful home for New York City’s homeless children.

    I will not hold my breath in the hope that the RC Church will ever make them available as a gift to the city for such a purpose like the many estates that have been made available to them for re-purposing like Greymoor at Garrison, NY, for example.

    They’ll let them rot and collapse before that ever happens. πŸ™

    Meanwhile, IHOP is expanding like mushrooms on a hopped-up fertilizer program and claims that by 2020 (God Loves Uganda), it will have taken over the world. One form of Christianity (the old order) is dying but is being replaced by an even more evil, reprehensible religion that does not even resemble Christianity and looks so much like what happened in 1930s Germany.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

  • Michael Rush

    file under ” the lord works in mysterious ways ” .

    • zhera

      The lard closed the churches because he’s angry at the gheys.

      • Michael Rush

        the lord is punishing you for your judgmental and hypocritical ways , pot – ay – to , pa – tat – oh .

      • Schlukitz

        That’ll show ’em!

    • Schlukitz

      Truth be known, the lord is a lazy bastard who doesn’t want to lift a finger.

      He constantly calls upon others to do his dirty work for him.

      He must also be a lousy money-manager too. Why else would he always be begging for yet more money on top of all the tax-free donations he has already received for the past two-thousand years?

  • geoffalnutt

    Oh, great! Maybe they’ll turn those pieces of real estate into something useful. Never mind. Wait – (now that I think about it) anything at all would be more useful…even a parking lot.

  • NMNative

    Great old buildings.
    Maybe they can finally be used for something worthwhile.

    • Schlukitz

      Monuments to their repressive power and evilness.

    • Some of them would make great pocket theaters, most churches have great acoustics.

  • Marides48

    Perhaps they should not have spent so much $$$ to defeat Same sex marriage in California & other parts oft the USA? Or not have hired pedophile priests. Some poor choices were made.

    Maybe the Vatican could have a huge garage sale or NOM could return some $$$?

  • mAP

    Churches close and Dolan continues to live in a $40 million mansion

    • Schlukitz

      From which he can postulate his evil agenda via the internet from the comfort of his oak-paneled den while sipping epensive vintage liquor, scotch, wine, whatever at his pleasure and being assured of being called to dinner on time served by a full house staff and on the finest bone china and crystal, and Vermeil flatware available.

      • All from a man who took a vow of poverty. Think of all the good that could have been done with that money if the leaders of the church followed their own tenets.

        • Schlukitz

          Amen, brother.

  • JustSayin’

    How long before Bill Donahue, Ted Cruz, breitbart, or wing nuts daily claim these closures are the global gay cabals attack on Christians?….1….2….3……GO!

  • The Roman Catholic Church had the occasion during Vatican II in the 1960’s, to make its encounter with “the Modern World” a fruitful and positive engagement. Unfortunately, from the moment the doors closed on the ecumenical council, the reactionary forces started their headlong retreat from that “Modern World,” unexpectedly led by the then newly-elevated head of the Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (who had previously been on the staff of one of the more liberal German bishops), who served as chief advisor to three popes before becoming pope himself.

    During the course of the Ratzinger leadership, the Church, in its most macho patriarchal and misogynistic manner, condemned “artificial birth control,” became stridently anti-abortion, obstinately anti-LGBT, and even invalidated baptisms that did not use masculine forms for the members of the Trinity. Needless to say, the Roman Catholic Church’s moral bankruptcy on so many issues has been troubling to many Catholics – who are either lapsed, or of the “cafeteria” variety (those who stay for the incense, but not the most evil of the teachings).

    The current Pope, for all his “popularity,” is only putting a new face on the same erroneous and evil moral theology, (Anyone who likens people like me to the destruction of the rain forest has to have more than a few screws loose).

    The result? Fewer Catholics are “practicing.”

    • SilasMarner

      “The current Pope, for all his “popularity,” is only putting a new face on the same erroneous and evil moral theology”

      sort of like putting lipstick on a pig, huh?

    • Robert Conner

      There is no way to reconcile Christianity with the modern world. The Romans had that figured out 18 centuries ago:

      https://www.scribd.com/doc/269575794/Christianity-s-Critics-The-Romans-Meet-Jesus-by-Robert-Conner

      • That article is fascinating reading. Thanks.

        The “Christianity” of early Christians was co-opted by the Emperor Constantine to become the official religion of the Roman Empire, and save for the brief restoration of the old Roman religion under Julian the Apostate, Christianity has been one of the founding pillars of western civilization, built on the remnants of its predecessor Greco-Roman civilization. The Western Church split off from the Imperial-based Orthodox churches in 1054 CE, and later split into many denominations with widely disparate beliefs, even though the Roman Catholic church remains the largest of these.

        The Christian orthodoxy that existed from 325 CE to 1054 (and continues in the Orthodox Churches) was a creature of the Reman Empire (and then the Eastern/Byzantine Empire after the West disintegrated). By 1054, the nascent West needed the split and invented the “Filioque” for the purpose – changing its concept of the nature of the Trinity, just so the Pope could claim more than being “first among equals” among the patriarchs of Christianity having episcopates descended from one of the apostles (at least as claimed),

        At one point, Christianity, with a nudge from Aquinas, was able to help kickstart the Renaisssance at a time when Islam, ravaged by the Mongols, turned fundamentalist and rejected science.

        Today’s Roman Catholic Church (and many of the more “conservative” splinter sects) has fallen far behind the civilization it once helped nourish. It’s the still-barbaric “moral” theology that has not evolved to a civilized level. Christianity managed to do it with slavery, it can do it on LGBT and women;s issues – and if it does not, then the sooner it disappears, the better for civilization.

      • JCF

        Thanks for the tip, look forward to reading.

      • Homo Erectus

        Thank you for that excellent bit of history.

    • ExGayTherapyKills

      Emperor Constantine the most rich and powerful and smartest person in the world hijacked the Christian religion to use it as a tool to control the people and make money by doing it, since he and the other rich and powerful Romans had control of the government all they needed to do was take over the control of the Christian religion and the rich and powerful still control it today along with most of the worlds governments. We are all slaves to the worlds rich and powerful, about 10 world banking families are the slave masters. Follow the money. They make more you make less.

  • douglas

    Declining church attendance is not just a catholic issue but it is all a product of their anti-gay, anti-woman preaching.

    • Schlukitz

      Do check out the movie, God Loves Uganda on netflix.

      • KQCA

        I checked this doc out at your suggestion. I wish I could promote your comment as the most important here on jmg.com. You are right. EVERYONE should see that doc.

        A few weeks ago I learned of a gay-friendly church here in my town that is housing lesbian and gay refugees from Uganda. They had to flee for their lives after being targeted in Uganda. Some had their homes seized, others were evicted from their apartments, they were fired from their jobs, and there were life-threatening legal proceedings against them. One would picture these to be people who would not be missed in society, but they were well-educated, productive members of society. Now these folks are at the mercy and kindness of a group of Americans who are sheltering and protecting them at a time when many Americans are screaming about immigrants and gays.

  • radiofreerome

    The down side is that it will be harder to find holy water in case of a vampire attack.

  • GunnaHurt

    “a national trend of parish closures in the United States caused by low attendance, a shortage of priests and financial troubles.” best news I’ve heard all year.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Are they going to sell their churches to pay all of the victims of abuse or hide it like they have been doing to keep from paying off the priest victims?

    • RoFaWh

      I hope the lawyers for everyone currently suing the RCC for one or another of its many misdeeds go before the judges and ask for injunctions to prevent the proceeds from selling redundant churches disappearing into “cemetery funds” and such.

  • DaveW

    Proof it’s an illness people succumb to. Retired lady (has money?) gets succored into going DAILY?

    How sad. Her heirs need to check the will. What a horrible cult to prey on these people.

  • Michael Hampton

    I’m sure this will somehow be blamed on us.

    • Schlukitz

      It already has been, Michael.

      They call it the Gay Mafia, The Gay Agenda and the war on Christianity by LGBT people.

      It’s front-page news everyday.

  • Octavio

    Great news. Enterprising gay businessmen/women can buy them up and open nice gay B&Bs. πŸ™‚

  • 2karmanot

    When the last Catholic church is strangled by the entrails of the last Baptist church……..

  • All Out of Ghivvaphuck

    Get over it, Grandma. Dolan doesn’t give a good goddamn about you as a person. Only the extent your money can keep him in beer, hot dogs, and hot boys.

  • e jerry powell

    Hmmm. Looks like the Roman Catholic church is no different from for-profit corporations in this sense. Find ways to reduce expenses, and be a little ruthless about it if necessary.

  • Gregory Peterson

    For whatever the reasons, I can really sympathize with people loosing their church home.

    • JCF

      …or even losing their church home. [Sorry, you just hit my biggest internet misspelling bugaboo. For 20 years now.]

      • Gregory Peterson

        When homophones attack! Thanks for telling me.

  • Robert Conner

    Best news yet! The Church of the Magic Cracker, this millennium-old hate machine, the source of millions of murders of “heretics,” Jews and other non-Christians, the Church that burned gays alive, opposed every scientific advance, preached creationism before there were creationists, and in modern times snuggled up with every mass murderer and dictator, is slowly but very surely closing up shop. This blot on human decency is even losing traction in Spain and Ireland, once bastions of its medieval ignorance. Is it possible that humanity may recover from the disease of Christianity?

    • ExGayTherapyKills

      You forgot to add that today the Christians and Catholics stalk and harass LGBT people today using psychological warfare to destroy them. The reason is that all of the killing and murdering of LGBT people in the past left too much of a blood trail to their door. With their anti-gay psyops they can get away with murder and not get a drop on blood on their hands or so they think. You have psychiatry and the US Government to thank for giving them psyops of psychological warfare.

  • NZArtist

    Yaaaaaaay!

    • ExGayTherapyKills

      Remember this, The people who run the world are the 10 world banking families who buy off governments and pay off religions to make their money and make people into slaves.

  • JIM W

    They brought it on themselves by not being willing to change with the times. They just have to cling on to centuries old dogma.

  • JCF

    The Episcopal Church Welcomes You.

  • Strike up the band, I feel like dancing!

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    If it were not for capital punishment we would not have the christian religion that we have today.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Is the Catholic church going to sell the churches to pay off all of the money they owe the victims of child abuse? Or are they going to continue to hide their money from them?

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Idol worshipers

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Are the priest still waiting for the rapeture?

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    They really think they are the holy people.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Will they use the money from the sale to pay off the children who were raped by Catholic priest? Or will they try to buy the next president?

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Why are they selling out? Why are they hiding their priest and money from victims of pedophile priest?

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    My friend was raped when he was a young boy in one of the churches they are selling by a Catholic priest.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    I wonder how many children were raped in those Catholic Churches by priest?