KENTUCKY: Liberty Counsel Lawyer Says Plaintiffs Don’t Really Want To Get Married

“We were able to see through her testimony that this case, more and more, is really about the plaintiffs wanting to force Kim Davis to issue a marriage license despite her sincerely held religious beliefs. It’s not about the plaintiffs’ desire to get married. They drove two hours to a county where they could have gotten a license if they wanted one. They drove an hour last week to court to a county where they could’ve gotten a license if they wanted one. And they could’ve gotten a license in just about every county in between that they passed through if they had wanted one. Just as Justice Alito predicted in his dissent in Obergefell secularists are trying to ‘stamp out every vestige of dissent’ by targeting people of faith who do not agree with same-sex marriage.” – Liberty Counsel senior attorney Roger Gannam, declaring that since the plaintiffs drove to a different county to attend the hearing of the ACLU’s lawsuit, they don’t really want to get married.

  • oikos

    Yes Roger, they could have found another l̶u̶n̶c̶h̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶e̶a̶t̶ ̶a̶t̶ clerk to give them a license. Kim Davis is forced to grant a license because it’s her fucking job. She can leave her bigoted beliefs at home with her stolen dog.

    • MarkOH

      Exactly. It really does not matter what the intentions of the plaintiffs are, she did NOT do her SWORN duty.

    • Rand503

      This guy is a lawyer?!?!

      • oikos

        Yes. Amazing as that seems.

        • RoFaWh

          Liberty University at its finest.

      • David Walker

        A lawyer? Sort of. He works for “Liberty” “Counsel,” so draw your own conclusions.

  • How dare those faggots live and pay taxes in the same county as a clerk who refuses to issue a marriage license!

    • Gustav2

      By the way, if you want to buy lunch on your trip to the next county…you have to go to the kitchen door in the back of the resturant. Don’t even think of using the restrooms.

  • Marc

    They want to get married in the county they live and pay taxes to, and they should be able to do so. Some thrice-divorced, mother of a dog-napper doesn’t get to determine what two consenting adults who love each other are allowed to do. Her religious beliefs–which clearly *she* is not very sincere about–have no authority over their right to marry.

    • ScottJL

      Sorry but show me in the buy-bull where it says “Thou shall not dognap.”

      • Blake Jordan

        Stealing violates one of the 10 commandments.

      • Todd20036

        Thou shalt not steal.
        Thou shalt not commit adultery.
        Thou shalt not bear false witness.

        Need anything else?

        • ScottJL

          She had sex with the dog??? Ewwww

          Oh, and it is her daughter who allegedly stole the dog.

          • David Walker

            Well, you know. She was between husbands and she’d had one too many Shirley Temples and the dog started to look pretty good. Plus the dog had a license she issued. So she found some peanut butter…

          • ScottJL

            David, TMI. Really! Think of the children who read this site!

          • RoFaWh

            Unlikely. Early on in the world wide web era, I ran across a website (out of Seattle, iirc) full of instructions about having sex with your animal buddies. Where male dogs were concerned, they emphasized that the dog must never be allowed near a female dog in heat, lest the training not take. Gotta have a virgin dog, iow.

            Weird website. No idea what the URL was, nor whether it’s still up.

      • Marc

        since it’s not specifically addressed by name, it must be okay!

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s ass, dog or pussy.

        • Marc

          One of those is not like the other two.

          • HanyBaal

            The Hot Dog?

      • LovesIrony

        I think it’s somewhere between a talking snake and the death of all the first born in Egypt cause god be all bout the love

        • Amanda B. Rekendwith

          …cause god be all bout the love
          or deNile.

    • b

      Sincere means when you take an oath of office you abide by it. You are paid to be a secular officer.

    • StraightGrandmother

      “Some thrice-divorced, mother of a dog-napper”, LOLZ!

      The part that killed me in her testimony was that she prayed and fasted over this agonizing decision. Well if you count going down to one bucket of KFC from two, I guess that is fasting.

      The orders by Evangelical pastors to fast has always struck me as simply a control tactic. I’ll never forget seeing that picture in Africa, I think it was Nigeria or Uganda, the pastor told the congregation to go outside & eat grass and there was that picture of people on their hands and knees grazing like cows on grass. It is a control mechanism, a power ego trip. “I’m rilly SERIOUS about this, now everybody FAST!”

      Oh and the FRC June “Call to Fall” (on your knees pray and fast) those are always highly amusing, they coincide with our Supreme Court decisions that went our way. In fact the Call to Fall ended in 2013 on the day of the WINDSOR DECSION, LOLZ! Call to Fall was still going on when Obergerell came down.

      Kim, you are not kidding anybody you didn’t fast.

      • clay

        (that was Nigeria. Same pastor was illegally building another couple of stories onto an occupied guest-house / apartment complex when the whole thing came down, killing dozens. He now claims the survivors and the relatives shouldn’t be allowed to sue him since he was doing it with the best of intentions.)

        • People4Humanity

          If anyone thinks America is corrupt,
          study Nigeria.

          • douglas

            AMATEURS!!! Check out the Philippines!!

        • Larry Ft Pierce

          There was a native Chief in Africa, long ago.
          OF COURSE HE HAD THE BIGGEST AND MOST SPECTACULAR grass house of anyone else in
          his tribe. The underlings lavished attention on him, always making magnificent
          chairs, “THRONES,” for him to sit on. As soon as they made a new
          throne he would hide it in his grass house. One day the weight of all the new
          thrones made his grass house collapse, while he was under it, and killed him!
          The moral of this story is that PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GRASS HOUSES SHOULDN’T STOW
          THRONES.

          • Steve Teeter

            Oh, Larry, you should be ashamed of yourself. 😉

          • Larry Ft Pierce

            I’ve got “a million of ’em!”

      • RaygunsGoZap

        I think she said she fasted because it adds ‘legitimacy’ to the ‘sincerity’.

        • 2karmanot

          And saves a fortune on her elastic expenditures.

      • Nexus1

        Fasting is something many Evangelicals do and even Native Americans do for vision quests and Muslims do it for Ramadan as well. It’s supposed to bring you back to basics and help you focus on what you want to meditate on or pray about/for. It is something that Baptist, and Apostolic’s and Pentecostals do. Yes it doesn’t make a difference as any similar effort would change nothing in the world, but it makes them feel like they are sacrificing and doing all they can to achieve a result. It’s not an uncommon practice at all in those faiths. Plus Kim Davis said she was Apostolic, so that explains the plain dress and the fasting over a ‘serious’ matter.

        For most of them the fasting is similar to the Muslims with Ramadan where they fast while the sun is up or from the time they wake up till 5pm or something like that. Modern day fasting isn’t about not eating for days on end, it’s about depriving yourself of food and experiencing hunger for several hours. The fasting of biblical times was more like a hunger strike then what is considered fasting now, so she would not have lost much weight if she only did it for a few days. She would have had to do what that idiot in Utah did which was not eat at all for days upon days and only drink water and vitamins in order to have shed any pounds.

      • Marc

        Completely off-topic, SG, and while this gets said often, it doesn’t get said enough: THANK YOU so much for what you’ve done for LGBTs, Americans, and humanity as a whole. You are a force I never want to be on the wrong side of!

  • Blake Jordan

    God forbid people are expected to do the jobs they are paid for, especially when that money comes from TAX PAYERS!!!

  • BearEyes

    Cute but dumb.
    There’s a principle involved and he doesn’t see it (or want to)

    • oikos

      Same tired argument they keep trotting out while failing to acknowledge that the clerks office is not a church and she is not clergy.

  • Phil

    She has a right to adhere to her sincerely held beliefs. She does not have a right to be a county clerk who refuses to perform the requirements of the job. My guess is that the federal judge orders her to issue the licenses or submit her resignation. Anything else will result in her arrest for contempt of court. Whichever route she opts for, I see an acting or interim clerk in that position by the end of August, pending an election.

    • Reality.Bites

      Judge does not have the power to make her resign. It’s issue the licenses or go to jail.

      • Phil

        If she is in jail and therefore unable to perform her duties, she has effectively resigned and an acting clerk must be appointed. The sad part is she still gets paid.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Todd20036

      You have a sick sense of humor.
      *hugs*

    • Ed Burrow

      Now that’s just obscene..

      • Joe in PA

        not that that’s a bad thing. 🙂

    • Bob from CT

      So, Mickey’s a grower not a shower.

      • barracks9

        Mmm…girthy…

    • Lust

      On a purely superficial note, the Liberty Counsel senior attorney is kinda hot. Can someone find out if he has been involved in a gay scandal?

      • Six Pins Delores

        No he isn’t. LOLZ!

        • Beagle

          Some good features, but they don’t add up to much. Probably the dead, soulless look in his eyes.

          • David Walker

            “Everything you’ve got’s about right,
            But the damned thing don’t come out right.”

      • douglas

        not yet but you know it’s coming.

      • allen

        He looks like an ugly young Stallone.

    • BlueberriesForMe

      “Well, that was all very pleasant.”

  • JT

    So, the great minds of “Liberty Counsel” are now attempting to use intent as a way of ruling out the issuing of marriage licenses by renegade clerks?

    Of course, it they were really serious about this, they could issue the license and see it the marriage follows.

    • clay

      No, the great minds of “Liberty Counsel” are now attempting to use driving AFTER THEY WERE DENIED THE LICENSE as a way of ruling out their intent to get the license BEFORE it was denied. All that driving they did was BECAUSE they were denied in their home county, not SO they could be denied.

      • JT

        Yes, but it’s still a claim about intent, which is ridiculous.

  • crewman

    Why is there so much attention on whose “sincerely held beliefs” are most sincere? Why aren’t we just focusing on actions and skip the whole beliefs part of it. The salient facts are that the clerk refused to issue a license to citizens of her county as required by law and by the oath she took when she took office. That’s really all that matters.

    • B Snow

      This. Her sincerely held beliefs could change next week when she decides she wants to join a different church, or has a vision or sees Jesus in a piece of toast.

      • David Walker

        Or starts divorce proceedings against her fourth husband.

        • douglas

          She is already cheating on him with the stolen dog apparently. See above.

          • douglas

            and it was the gays that paved the way for man/woman on dog marriage so………..you are welcome Kim.

          • David Walker

            Yes, but Ricky Santorum has to take the credit for making her canine-curious.

          • RoFaWh

            Poor doggie!

    • RoFaWh

      If anyone who acts on their sincerely held religious belief that Moloch likes the smell of burnt babies, they’ll soon discover that the law does, indeed, look at actions and intents are of minor significance.

  • LovesIrony

    Bigot has got shit for brains

    • lattebud

      Shit for Brains.. another term for “Senior Litigation Counsel at Liberty Counsel”

      • Say in Latin:Stercor pro Cerebro. He’ll probably take it as a compliment.

      • D. J.

        Equal to Senior Fellow at Heritage Foundation and any form of editor at Breitbart.

    • kevin vincent

      Well she is using LIBERTY COUNCIL as defense have they EVER won a case? At least that other chick was smart enough to switch gears on the issue after consulting them.

  • Joe in PA

    So I take it this brilliant mind was edumacated at Liberty University as well? Where is the HAHAHHAHA tag? I could almost see the judges eyes rolling.

  • Mark

    I live way out in the sticks…and I have to drive 5 miles to a gas station, and I have to drive 18 miles to a decent grocery store (ok there is a Brookshire’s about 10 miles west – but I hate having to get a bank loan to pick up some pork chops). And, the county seat is 15 miles. And it is the county seat for the county that I live in – that I pay taxes in. So I’m trying to understand what justification exists in having to drive 30 or 40 miles to a different county seat cuz some body wants to wear their religion on their sleeve – when all the other places I have to drive to have given zero objection to providing goods or services.

    • Gustav2

      In the Northwest Ordinance, Jefferson era rules for taking over the Midwest for white folk, there is a rule stating a county seat may be no further from any part of the county than what a man can walk to and back to his home in a day. Strangely there is nothing about having to go to the next county.

      Hey Liberty, if couples really wanted to get married they could go to Canada or somewhere, right?

  • Happy Dance

    Fact is, they should be able to get a license at ANY court they desire. If they want to get a license at EVERY court in Kentucky, then that is their RIGHT, not hers to deny!!

    • Brian in Valdosta

      Absolutely correct. ANY and EVERY and AT A MOMENT’S NOTICE. This is a public office we’re talking about. Not her own private sitting room.

      • clay

        apparently she thinks the county is her family’s domain, inherited along her mother’s side of the family.

        • RoFaWh

          There’s a strong smell of institutionalized corruption by that family in that county.

          • kevin vincent

            Well they are dognappers

    • What?

      Straight couples would travel to get married in not only different counties but different states. I know in the old days people used to go to Maryland for some reason. Saying the plaintiffs did this only out of contempt for religion is ridiculous and obviously discriminatory on its face, as heterosexuals have always done the same thing.

  • TexPlant

    Who cares, what is on trial is that she is not abiding with the law of the land. Jail the fugly bitch! She holds marriage is such high esteem so she herself was married 4 times. The angry sky monster can’t be happy with that

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      But if she goes to jail, she will come out gay. Then she will have to refuse herself a marriage license for marriage # 5

    • Yes because her sky daddy and sky daddies boy, actually SAID something about divorce. For once the bible was clear and unequivocal about that topic. She is an adulterer in the eyes of her sky daddy.

  • delk

    That asshole should just go ahead and open up a yoga studio with all that stretching he goes through.

    • lattebud

      I be in a sling in a bath house

    • David F.

      You have to be pretty flexible to get your head up your own ass.

      • Reality.Bites

        Not if you’re a pinhead.

  • BudClark

    Girlfriend!

    “Do you rim?” (h/t to Andy Warhol and Little Joe Dallasandro)

    • Steve Teeter

      There was a party back in the 60s once with guests including Aaron Copland and his boyfriend John Kennedy. (John non-Fitzgerald Kennedy, his friends called him) Kennedy was hanging with the gay crowd when a straight guy came up and tried to make polite conversation. He asked Kennedy, “And what do you do?” “I rim” was the answer. All the gay guys nearly choked trying to stifle their laughter. The straight guy, of course, had no idea what was going on, but he tried to laugh too.

  • Cuberly
  • Brian in Valdosta

    I have absolutely no doubt that there are quite a few counties across this great land of ours where the county clerk would love to deny a marriage license to a couple that s/he perceived as “interracial”. And yet, I don’t know of a single county clerk anywhere that would have the brass balls or the brass tits actually to stand up and deny that license to the couple citing any sort of bullshit beliefs.

    All vestiges of dissent on THAT matter were stamped out. So yes, Mr Douchenozzle, we do want to stamp out all remaining dissent on this matter. In the public sphere.

    You and all your ilk are free to think and talk about whatever bullshit you want. But if a person swears to do a job, then s/he should do that fucking job.

    • Reality.Bites

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/15/interracial-couple-denied_n_322784.html

      (AP) NEW ORLEANS A Louisiana justice of the peace said he refused to issue a marriage license to an interracial couple out of concern for any children the couple might have. Keith Bardwell, justice of the peace in Tangipahoa Parish, says it is his experience that most interracial marriages do not last long

      • Phil

        This story is from March of 2010.

        • Reality.Bites

          That’s not the point. The point is that there ARE officials with the brass balls to deny a license to an interracial couple, almost 50 years after loving.

          • Brian in Valdosta

            Did anything happen to them as a result? I’m curious.

      • Toasterlad

        Yeah, there’s always going to be a few regressive fucks who refuse to acknowledge that time has moved on. But I think we can safely declare that the age of denying interracial couples marriage is over…just as the age of denying same-sex couples marriage will soon come to an end.

      • JustSayin’

        You beat me to it…and that JP is not alone. In fact we have several black officials who also avoid marrying interracial couples.

  • Six Pins Delores

    “They drove an hour last week to court to a county where they could’ve gotten a license if they wanted one. And they could’ve gotten a license in just about every county in between that they passed through if they had wanted one.”
    And…?

    • Reality.Bites

      And if they couldn’t, Liberty Counsel would be just fine with that too.

      Let’s have a bit of honesty here – LC not only endorse the idea of EVERY clerk having the right to deny us licenses, they in fact want to DENY every clerk the right to issue us licenses.

      This case is NOT about the individual clerk and the fact that it doesn’t truly deny the right to marry. It’s about the fact that not one single motherfucking clerk anywhere has the right to deny us licenses.

    • barracks9

      And they wouldn’t have HAD to drive an hour to court last week if this harridan had DONE HER FUCKING JOB IN THE FIRST PLACE. Sorry…

      • Six Pins Delores

        No need to be sorry Babe.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      6 years ago, they went on a trip to southern Illinois to visit family, if they REALLY wanted to get married they could have just drove another 9 hours to Canada.
      So there !

    • David Walker

      If A, then B.
      If B, then C.
      Therefore, if A, then 7.

      • I just can’t get the new xtian math. Confounding!

        • David Walker

          Really. I haven’t quite got Grindr math, and now this.

          • I thought Grindr math was X-4?

  • David in Palm Springs

    “…is really about the plaintiffs wanting to force Kim Davis to issue a marriage license despite her sincerely held religious beliefs.”

    Her religious beliefs are irrelevant. She’s not a pastor, and city hall isn’t a church. Nowhere in her job description does it say that she has the authority to decide who can and can’t get married.

  • Cosmo Tupper

    I’d like to sit on his face……and commit diarrhea! I’d drink a gallon of clabbered milk for the chance!

  • Baltimatt

    OT, but April DeBoer and Jayne Rowse have set the date!

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2015/07/21/couple-gay-marriage-case-wedding/30460697/

    Just weeks ago, the two Hazel Park nurses were on pins and needles awaiting the U.S. Supreme Court’s historic decision to legalize gay marriage across the country. The couple’s lawsuit against Michigan was at the forefront of the case.

    Now, the couple is in the midst of planning their Aug. 22 wedding in Southfield.

    “We’re doing all this planning and everything, but I don’t know that it’s actually sunk in that we can do this, that it will be for real this time,” DeBoer said in an interview with the Free Press Tuesday. “The fact it’s not a commitment ceremony but a legal ceremony, it’s still kind of sinking in.”

    Congratulations! Judge Bernard Friedman, who struck down Michigan’s ban on same-sex marriage before being overruled by the Sixth Circuit, will officiate.

    • David Walker

      Thank you for sharing. Excellent.

      • Baltimatt

        You are most welcome. I am so happy for them.

  • mikeinrkfd

    Not much of an argument, is it?

  • Richard Rush

    So, if I understand correctly, Kim Davis thinks that her sincerely held vicious religious beliefs entitle her to be paid to do a job that she refuses to do.

    • David Walker

      As the Gershwins once wrote, “Nice work if you can get, and if you get it, won’t you tell me how?”

  • Dale082

    This reeks of Desperation.

  • 2patricius2

    I think it is pretty obvious Roger Gannam doesn’t expect to win any cases.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Every single one of my fact based, truthful, posts over a that site was deleted within 30 seconds. They just want to hear their own insane ramblings.

    • They can’t stand a single peep of different thinking in their echo chamber of group think.

  • Mike in Texas

    So how is he going to prove that the bigot’s objection is genuinely religious and not just a virtual white sheet? He can start by explaining the ‘sincerity’ of her ‘belief’ while it is not shared by others of the same religion.

    • I’ve wondered about that myself. But the bottom line is simple. Work for the government, follow their rules or be fired.

  • j.martindale

    If gay and lesbian people want to go to extraordinary lengths to make certain that the state does not discriminate against us, then I am ALL FOR IT! If their primary motive is to demand equal treatment under the law, then so be it. These people can talk about their superstitions all they want. As taxpaying citizens, the men and women who appear before these miscreants who think they are above the law because they have delusions about their Gawd, are entitled to see that public servants obey the Constitution as it is interpreted by the highest court of the land. Your fantasies don’t trump our civil rights.

  • Toasterlad

    He’s actually right that this isn’t about marriage. This is about discrimination. This is about being treated the same as anyone else. This is about separate water fountains.

    If these men want a marriage license, they are legally entitled to get one at the same place, at the same time, from the same civil servants, as anyone else who lived where they live does. Their experience should be absolutely identical in every way to a straight couple requesting a license. PERIOD. Anything else is 100% unacceptable.

    All a sane person has to do is read aloud in court the legal testimony from when the last court official tried to block the marriage of an interracial couple on religious grounds, and the case should be dismissed. Not just dismissed, but the defendant and her lawyer should be hauled away and have “BIGOT” tattooed in big red letters on their foreheads.

    • zhera

      LC attorney pretends that his point is relevant, when it’s not. “Pay no attention to the discrimination, look over there; some gays are hunting down christians and feeding them to lions!”

      • RoFaWh

        An overly fatty diet is unhealthy for felines.

  • M. Coen

    Right, so the plaintiffs went out of their way to single out a bigot with no actual intention of being married? How many bigoted clerks do you think they passed to get to her? Why the hell would they single out Kim Davis? Is it her sexy body, grandmotherly charm, or were they simply after her secrets on a successful marriage?

    • People4Humanity

      It must be the perpetual scowl on her sourpuss
      that caused them to choose her.

    • B Snow
    • Beagle

      Must be her belief that she can use her position as county clerk to establish her own personal religious test over who can get married in her county.

  • Lakeview Bob

    How can someone so good looking be such an asshole?

    • j.martindale

      Your remarks make it obvious to me that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. (Ain’t my cup of tea.)

    • Octavio

      You obviously never attended high school LOL!

      • Where it seemed the better looking one was, the more of an asshole they were.

        I attended one high school reunion, my 10th. And do you know the damned cheerleaders were still focused on one thing, making the lives of others shite? It was the geeky kids, the unpopular kids who went on to great things.

        • RoFaWh

          High school is a snake pit.

    • His good looks owe a great deal to the photographer’s skill.

  • People4Humanity

    In other words, the ‘senior attorney’ with ‘Liberty’ ‘Counsel’
    has got nothin’.

    • as per usual.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    So, they could have driven two hours out of there way to get married just like those civil rights activists could have just driven a couple more hours to find a restaurant that tests them equal. She is a fucking state employee. She doesnt get to impose her religious views on others.

  • KQCA

    And that man’s voice, folks, is the sound of desperation grabbing for straws, its last hope.

  • NeverEclipsed81

    that’s pretty misleading, he’s making it seem like they drove far to that county, but I believe they were trying to get a licence in the county they lived in.. bit shady there. 🙁

  • Hue-Man

    The new defense strategy for cops who kill black teens – “he could have gone to another county but instead he came to my town to make me look bad.” Good luck with that.

  • Response: Go to hell.

    • David Walker

      Not to worry.

      • (Not that there is one, but still, it’s the thought that counts.)

  • Gerry Fisher

    So…straight people can get married for any trivial reason they want, drive to any county they want, and behavior abominably before, during, and after their marriages. But we deserve to be turned away from service because we aren’t wanting it badly enough in our county of residence? Our rights apply only if we’re behaving spectacularly well (as judged by homophobic straight people)?!

    HAIL, no!

  • Damn, its Jim Crow days all over again. As long as we keep our place, invisible, we are “allowed” to get married.
    Fuck that, we won, you lost!
    We can drive anywhere we desire in our home states and apply for a marriage license. Just like you homophobic xtians can and do.

    • David Walker

      But we do it in fossil fuel conserving cars; they do it in pick-ups.

      • Reality.Bites

        I’m sure some of us do it in pick-ups. (Or have done it in pick-ups!)

        • hellz yeah! red neck sex can be fun!

        • David Walker

          True. The truck bed is about mattress size.

      • Our only “car” for the first 3 years of our marriage was a pick up truck.

        • David Walker

          I’m sorry. My generalizations get out of control sometimes. I do apologize.

          • It’s ok, I wasn’t the least bitty bit upset. Hugs and smiles dear

  • D. J.

    Roger claims to be clairvoyant? Isn’t that devil stuff? Best check with Bob Larson and have Roger scanned for demons.

  • DaveMiller135

    What you’re calling “dissent,” we call “not doing your damn job.” If I had a vacuum cleaner and it broke down, but I still had a broom and a mop; getting the vacuum cleaner fixed, instead of mopping or sweeping and letting the broken vacuum just sit there, wouldn’t mean that I didn’t want a clean floor.

  • DesertSun59

    Do you see what’s happening here? He actually believes that this woman’s Bronze Age belief system is superior to the modern secular state she lives in, AND he believes she has more power than the SCOTUS.

    This man is MENTAL.

    • Clive Johnson

      Indeed.

      Little in the Bible impresses me or should impress anyone else. Everything in it, from its moral content, its philosophical and human insights, its knowledge of the world and social systems–it has all been surpassed, easily surpassed by what has come after.

      You’d be considered insane if you were doing chemistry and refused to give greater authority to chemistry texts published beyond say 1880.

      But, put a Bible on the table, and suddenly this primitive and sometimes morally repulsive book assumes magical properties of superiority.

  • more ramblings from the party of “personal responsibility”. why should others have to put themselves out because this woman chooses not to do her job (for people who help pay her salary)

  • GayEGO

    “they don’t really want to get married.” What an illogical, ridiculous statement. The state clerk, Kim Davis, should be fired for not doing her civil job and arrested for disobeying the law.

  • Steve Teeter

    It’s worth noting the the 25 day limit for requesting a SCOTUS rehearing of Obergefell expired yesterday. Not one of the four Attorneys General who had standing to make such a request did one damn thing. It’s settled now.

  • JCF

    For all your “could have” (been 2nd-Class citizens): tell it to Rosa Parks!!!

  • Michael

    This from the side trying to stamp out every bit of dissent by bullying/silencing Starbuck’s, Chase, World Vision, Wells Fargo, Guy Benson, etc. and who are now planning to fight for “Christian Civil Rights” by launching 1-day long boycotts of other pro-equality businesses.

  • teedofftaxpayer

    I read at another site on the same subject, she stated she could let her Clerks issue the license but her name in on the License so she has to be true to her faith. Then I guess we have get her name off the license and her out of a job.

  • Terry

    Issue the license or resign…plain and simple!