Ben Shapiro Files Battery Charges Against Transgender Reporter Zoey Tur

Via Breitbart:

Breitbart News Senior Editor-at-Large Ben Shapiro has filed a report with the Los Angeles Police Department alleging battery against transgender Inside Edition reporter Zoey Tur, née Robert Albert Tur. Shapiro filed the report Sunday morning, two days after a contentious exchange with Tur on the HLN program Dr. Drew. On a panel discussion over Bruce Jenner’s receipt of ESPN’s Arthur Ashe Courage Award, Tur grabbed Shapiro’s neck and growled, “You cut that out now, or you’ll go home in an ambulance.” Shapiro later alleged that Tur had threatened him after the appearance, “I’ll see you in the parking lot,” and that CNN security had escorted Shapiro to his car after ensuring Tur had left the premises. Tur also tweeted out on Friday that he would like to “curb stomp” Shapiro.

Here’s the video again.

  • Daniel

    Tur did not “growl”. Watch the video.

    • John P.

      Tur just said the things we are all thinking! Twas sweet!

  • TommyTune

    What a little pussy. Seriously!

    • Jeffg166

      Whining weenie more like it.

    • SoCalVet

      I wanted to say something like that, it’s just that most women I know aren’t nearly as small and petty and weak as that little boy.

    • John T

      Pussies are strong and resilient. They can take a pounding. Ben Shapiro runs crying to the cops at the slightest touch.

      • Robincho

        Little Ben Shazero reminds me of Little Eric Cantor, who’d say something super butch and
        then run and peek out from behind Boehner’s petticoats. I wanna pants them both at recess and steal their fucking lunch money…

  • Ginger Snap

    The bigots love to bully but they sure do hate it when it’s done to them. Bullying is wrong no matter who does it but I hope he wet his pants like a scared little boy.

    • TommyTune

      A typical case of being able to dish it out but not take it.

  • Daniel

    Shapiro’s behaviour is babyish: provoke, provoke, provoke, provoke, then cry about being attacked.

    • TommyTune

      I’d say his behavior is more typical of your average bully than your average baby. Push back and they fold like a house of cards.

      • Daniel

        I’m not seeing an either/or.

      • tristram

        Either way (or both) I think BS got exactly the reaction he wanted, and he’s going to do whatever he can to pump up the views on this video because it plays directly to certain fears and discomfort of many people who are not personally invested in the issue.

        • John Masters

          I’m not positive that will work. Sure, he’ll get a bunch of views, but a lot of knuckle-draggers he appeals to will likely laugh at him for letting a woman kick is ass.

          • tristram

            It’s not so much the knuckle-draggers as the soccer-moms that I’m thinking of.

        • Piet

          I know he’s stupid, but can he really be so stupid he’d want more views of this? He comes off so poorly — immature, rude, arrogant, and, yes, terribly stupid. It would be a case of any publicity is better than none?

          • tristram

            He’s not stupid because for at least 80% of the viewers the focus is entirely on Tur. She is the issue, not him. The haters are gonna hate her in any case, and we’re gonna hate BS. But he is trying to make her look bad to the undecideds – people who are curious about and a bit afraid of transpeople but trying to come to grips with something they don’t understand. And from that perspective, Tur’s behavior wipes out a lot of the good stuff that’s been happening recently.

          • Friday

            Also, dude, Trump is leading in the Republican polls. Yes, he wants people to think his rudeness, immaturity, stupidity, and arrogance are right there to praise as ‘virtue.’

            It’s a sorry state of affairs, but so it is in corporate-media-land.

      • D. J.

        Shapiro wrote a handbook on bullying and media. He’s practicing his trade.

    • oikos

      Typical christianist , nailing someone to the cross and then whining about how he hit his thumb with the hammer while doing it and how it’s the crucifixion victim’s fault.

      • Ian

        Point of order. Ben is a Jew.

        • oikos

          Ok, he’s an honorary christian or a Jew for Jesus.

          • jvc in NYC

            No, just a Jew. Right wing looks come in a variety of flavors.

        • AtticusP

          Po-Tay-to; Right wing delusional asshole.

        • Rambie

          Then he should know better or go back to history class.

        • JD

          I wonder if he fucks his wife through a hole in a sheet and thanks G-d that he wasn’t born a woman. http://www.jewfaq.org/sex.htm

        • Friday

          Well, frankly, being at least nominally Jewish doesn’t mean he’s not a constant media advocate for Christianism. 🙂

        • Brian C

          Shapiro is an ORTHODOX Jew. Cut from the same cloth as all fundamentalists.

    • JT

      This is hilarious. What a little pissant Shapiro is.

      • Tom G

        His wife must be very proud of his manly chromosomes.

        • AtticusP

          I didn’t know he was married.

          My sincere condolences to the unlucky bride.

        • JT

          “Mommy, you know how my peepee shrivels up even smaller when someone talks back to me. Only you can tell when I have wood anway, and that’s why I married you. Thank you, mommy, for making your little Benny feel like someone big.”

    • Primitive Behavior

      Touching is completely inappropriate and threats are not to be rewarded as bravery at all. Tur has some anger management issues. I do not like Shapiro at all but he should not be given fuel by bad and aggressive behavior when he is desperately looking for attention.

      • Goodboy

        So is trolling…

        • Mike in Houston

          So don’t.

          • Goodboy

            Welcome back Mike. Sounds better then Primitive.

        • Primitive Behavior

          I am not a troll. I have been on the site for years. If this happened to me, I would immediately demand that your hands be removed OR I am called the cops – no exceptions from anyone! This is primitive, aggressive behavior and we have evolved (or should be evolving) beyond this. I can’t stand Shapiro and his ilk but don’t put your hands on them – period. You might not like that you are not getting the response that you desire and I don’t care.

          • Goodboy

            Good. Then use your member name.

          • Primitive Behavior

            Cute, but NO!

          • Rich Farias

            Then you’re a bloody coward: either stand by your comments, or don’t make them.

      • Friday

        I’ve been pretty suspicious about her as a ‘trans spokesperson’ just after what was described as a rather sudden-seeming later-life transition. I mean, her life’s her life, but I don’t think she even *knows* enough to put herself in that sort of position. as seems to be demonstrated by her doing and saying some things that are all-too-convenient for the Right as it is.

        At least she kinda needs to get her head together, here. Not that I necessarily believe a word the likes of Shapiro *say,* mind you.

        • SoCalVet

          I don’t think she presented herself as a trans spokesperson…just what one ‘celebrity’ trans person thinks.

          • Friday

            Well, she publishes news articles and gives interviews with that kind of byline, … and she wasn’t on that very interview just to talk about her individual self and all, certainly not in the interviewer’s eyes.

      • Shapiro was looking for a fight and got one. He’s not an innocent victim and shouldn’t be treated like one.

    • DB

      The person who resorts to physical violence is the childish one. He was on a panel. He spoke. He used words. The proper response from a normal person would take the form of words.

      • another_steve

        Oh absolutely, DB. Is there really any “other side” to what you say?

        You don’t physically touch — in an aggressive manner or in a manner that might be interpreted as aggressive — the person you’re debating with.

        If this is what Tur did, the charges against him are totally appropriate.

        • RaygunsGoZap

          HER. Charges against her….

          🙂

          • another_steve

            My bad. Pronoun error. 😉

          • RaygunsGoZap

            i figured. i read that and thought “they got another_steve!” got = tricked him into using the wrong pronoun

          • another_steve

            Lol.

            Look, we’re all learning. All growing. All evolving.

            But you were right to correct me, and for that I thank you. 😉

          • rkwright

            That pronoun “error” is exactly what started the mess in the first place.

          • Kevin

            No, what started the assault (not a mess, an assault) was when Tur placed her hands on Shapiro. And then threatened to send him home in an ambulance and then later to “curb stomp” him. Responsibility for Tur’s actions lie with Tur.

          • tomfromthenews

            Except that BS intentionally made that “error” to provoke; it’s so clear. Not that grabbing him by the neck was OK (it was not).

          • forcebear

            And the crack about “what are your genetics?”

          • DonnaLee

            Well to be fair, Joe made the same mistake.

      • Goodboy

        Where exactly was the “Physical Violence” part? Was there a part of this video I missed?

        • Adam King

          Unwanted touching constitutes an assault. It doesn’t have to be or appear “violent.” It’s never appropriate to put your hands on someone you’re arguing with, even if he’s a nasty little piece of shit. Anyway, who knows what sorts of germs he might be carrying.

          • Big Gay Sam

            straight germs… ewww

          • kevin000

            Unwanted touching constitutes a battery. The threat of a battery constitutes an assault. In this case there was both.

          • Friday

            True, Kevin, but it’s also misleading to imply that was ‘physical violence’ as though it were like she’d actually *done* the things she was accused of threatening later, because of that contact.

            Frankly, she shouldn’t be trying to represent trans people if that’s how she’s going to respond to even all that provocation. Which she has to know comes from the likes of Shapiro. Not that I’ve got any sympathy for Shapiro either since they try to provoke (not to mention threaten) *everyone* and then act all victimized and vindicated about their defamations if they finally succeed at it.

            I mean, the fact that he and all the other people in that studio were the ones in control of that situation, not her, and decided to keep pushing and provoking and defaming and insulting and such …for their TV show… really makes their whining victimhood in the further service of the same bigotry not-worth-respecting, either.

            Her actions were in the wrong and frankly I think mean that she’s not suited to the position she’s put herself in as a trans media spokesperson so early in her transitioned life. Especially having demonstrated ignorance before about who she’s put herself up to represent…

            Then again, in the context of someone *staging a TV show* trying to deliberately provoke and demean someone, it’s not like that all came out of nowhere or occurred in some vacuum. She’s in the wrong, he’s just pathetic.

          • I think it took incredible restraint not the smack him into the next county.

            BTW, I have been assaulted myself and it was a LOT worse than that and I would up not pressing charges

          • forcebear

            As much as I’d like to take Tur’s side, I was shocked when she made that crack about the ambulance. She would have made a much stronger showing if she had only mocked the twerp.

          • Friday

            As I’ve said elsewhere I totally didn’t believe she was a credible spokesperson for transwomen the *last* time something blew up and she still isn’t yet now. I hope she’s trying, but the fact remains she was being some kind of macho media personality for years, transitioned secretly late in life, and suddenly started appearing as an expert/advocate for the trans community and seems to get lots of publicity by being contrarian and getting stuff wrong.

            That said I think Shapiro acting martyred over successfully provoking someone (*because he makes money doing just that as much as he can on the TV*) ….who he claims he thought ‘mentally ill’ in order to support his defamations of an entire community also really doesn’t deserve the dignity of being taken seriously.

            I guess, more succinctly, Shapiro’s a weasel, Tur is not a competent spokesperson for trans people, why are *either* of these people allegedly ‘the news?’

          • Friday

            No dispute there, I was just saying claiming or implying ‘physical violence’ occurred is misleading.

          • pablo

            She also just doxxed some guy on Twitter who referred to her as unclassy. She’s a psycho of the Andrea James kind.

            The previous deleted comment was mine. My phone autocorrected “doxxed” and changed it to “do dee”. WTF?

      • RaygunsGoZap

        Very true. I don’t understand why not confront his disrespect with words. When he refers to you as a male/man/dude/”he”, use that as the key to talk about verbal abuse and lack of respect.

      • radiofreerome

        Zoe should have addressed Ben as “Herr Shapiro.”

        • Robincho

          “Wenn Sie verlassen, lassen Sie nicht DIESE Tür im Arsch schlagen!” — Z.T.

          • Ireyon

            Gah! The mangled german!

            “Passen Sie auf, dass die Tür Ihnen nicht auf den Arsch knallt, wenn Sie rausgehen.”

      • Nelson Kerr

        He was on a panel threw out complrty unnecessary personal insults and got a response. In most social situation throwing insults at people gets your face re-arranged

    • Michael Rush

      Ben Shapiro should have turned himself in to police
      as a ” whiny little bitch ” and pleaded no contest .

    • Brian in Valdosta

      The thing is: the little turd was never attacked. Ms Tur merely gave him fair warning about behaving both professionally and in an adult, mature manner. That is all. In other words: she called him on his bullshit.

      I see no attack. A threat, certainly. No attack.

    • LarryChemEngr

      This is obviously a bullshit frivolous lawsuit mean to garner attention. It will be thrown out, but this asshole will have achieved what he wants. Some attention, that he does not deserve.

    • Michael Rush

      go read the COMMENTS on this story over at breitbart , it’s like living in a weird parallel universe whose inhabitants you cannot communicate with ….

      http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/07/20/ben-shapiro-files-police-report-against-transgender-reporter-zoey-tur/

      • Daniel

        go read the COMMENTS on this story over at breitbart

        No, thanks; I decline to pollute my mind or my browser with that filth. But thanks.

    • Emma Duncan

      not unlike $cientologists.

  • cminca

    Ben Shapiro got beat up by a girl…..hehehehehehehe

    • Michael Smith

      It’s just like third grade all over again.

    • TampaDink

      I’ll always think of “The West Wing” when I hear or read that comment.
      https://youtu.be/D93295KpIZw?t=197

      • cminca

        Me too actually. I’m a huge “TWW” fan.

      • Duh-David

        Dog, I miss The West Wing. Sniffle.

        • TampaDink

          It was good television, I miss it too.

    • Gustav2

      Wait, did Shapiro have to file against her legal name?

      Heh.

      • Damn, that must’ve just added insult to…lack of actual physical injury.

      • Steverino

        I would love it if the spineless little wimp referred to Tur using male pronouns, and his “case” got tossed out for incorrect facts.

        • Friday

          Yeah, cause apparently alleged ‘journalists’ can’t be held to that standard on some networks. 🙂

    • Pieter

      Nah, he really didn’t. If Tur was a real girl, he wouldn’t have reacted like a barroom brawler.

      • clay

        Wow, your experience with “real girls” is pretty limited, huh?

        • RaygunsGoZap

          He’s just used to girls taking the punches not threatening to dish them.

          • Pieter

            Never witnessed in my entire life a girl or woman initiate hostile physical contact with a male who wasn’t a bf, family member or close friend. Certainly never saw this on TV, on a panel discussion focused on public policy.

            Let’s do an experiment. TV has been around for nearly 70 years. Can you think of any example of a “cisgender” (aka real) woman acting like this on a talk show or a panel discussion or a public affairs show? Give me any example from any decade, from free TV or cable, from any country in the world. Any example at all. Meet The Press in the 60s, Dick Cavett in the 70s, This Week With David Brinkley in the 80s, Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher in the 90s — any talk show or public affairs show you like.

            Just two limitations: 1) the male must be a stranger to the violent female (not a spouse, relative, etc.) and 2) the violence has to be real; fake violence of the sort that used to be featured on shows like Jerry Springer doesn’t count.

          • clay

            I’m still not sure she’s the one who initiated it. It depends on what he said out of mic range. With a daughter, two older sisters and lots of female friends, I’ve seen a clear majority will throw the first punch, depending on the words that preceded it, even against a guy they’ve just met.

          • Friday

            Also, yeah, funny enough one of my straight sisters would. She didn’t often take my side in school violence and bullying, but when she did, *look out.* Me being the queer one everything was my fault if I *ever* fought back *while *getting kicked around, literally,* but she had no such constraints to consider. 🙂 And she was all about makeup and boys and shit. 🙂

            Not sure if I ought to count all the punk rock and riotgrrls or certain exes of mine, but well, you know. Stuff happens. 🙂

            Heh, was with one of my exes when a car full of bigots kind of did one of those driveby-shooting off at the mouth things, then found themselves stuck behind something or other before they could do the usual stepping on the gas. I was still winding up for a theatrical *plant feet and flip them off with a big grin* when my ex freaking went *house* on their arses. She wasn’t as used to it, but it’d happened a few times and that was *it.* 🙂

          • RaygunsGoZap

            Let’s not do that experiment.

            Let’s do this one: Why don’t you journal your feelings about gender, sexual orientation, marriage and culture and then come back here and we’ll see who gives a hoot.

            Funny, you didn’t say you never hit a woman – ‘real’ or otherwise.

          • Friday

            Eh, daytime talk shows, dude. It happens pretty frequently actually. (Not that one case would be memorable compared to another, but when I had TV reception I’d tend to fall asleep in front of the tube for late night sci fi reruns and wake up to some of the sorriest displays of humanity in a cage you ever saw. 🙂

            (Also apart from these shows loving to provoke threats and such dramas like that to stoke people up and actually having security looking bored with ‘Not this again, insurance liabilities,’ and separating people, …you couldn’t doubt we’re primates less if the audience actually crapped in their hands and threw it at each other. Gods, just the sounds. They’d give Jane Goodall a migraine. 🙂 )

            (Nice adding of ‘Oh, except daytime talk shows,’ in the edit, btw, pieter. 🙂 Legally it should make no difference, never mind by your own premises of gender absolutism.)

          • Diogenes

            It does make a difference because the “violence” on those daytime talk shows was all fake. In fact, there was never any a single criminal complaint or civil lawsuit arising out of any of the “violence” on shows like Springer. Examples of real violence on those shows – like the famous “secret admirer” murder stemming from Jenny Jones or the busted nose on Geraldo Rivera – were all perpetrated by men. Men like Zoey Tur.

          • Friday

            Apart from your self-contradiction, there, you’re being circular, apparently to justify general transphobia in the first place. Regardless of what you may think of Tur’s personal authenticity, you’re trying to say all these deliberate provocations, threats and personal contact on daytime talk shows are ‘fake violence’ but Tur *not* breaking someone’s nose on another talk show under protracted deliberate provocation is somehow ‘real violence?’

            Where’s the difference there in your own claim? Sure, these shows *contrive* these situations, which is why you consider it ‘fake’ unless apparently it happens to an obvious *transphobe* of a professional ‘provocateur.’

          • DonnaLee

            Wow, you really are that stupid? So because you never saw it on TV, it’s never happened? And to think, all those years I was beating up on men when I was younger, word didn’t get passed along to you.

            And yes….I was born a woman…who was told by the other women in my life to not take any shit from anybody.

          • Diogenes

            The problem is that we have no way of verifying your claim. We don’t know who you are or what you did years ago or what the circumstances were. Pieter wants to test whether real women acted like Tur under the same or similar circumstances, i.e., on a TV public affairs show. It’s an interesting test.

          • clay

            No, it’s a sexist test.

          • DonnaLee

            I just found the assertion absurd. He’s never witnessed it, ergo it doesn’t happen!

          • JCF

            “Can you think of any example of a “cisgender” (aka real) woman”

            Flagged.

          • Friday

            Eh, let it be seen, JCF. It’s exactly the provocation under discussion here, really.

          • D. J.

            I see Zoey’s reaction as a warning, not a threat.

      • Friday

        Zoey spent a whole life *presenting as a guy* or her best impression of one, and only stopped doing that a year or two ago. I wouldn’t say it says one way or another how ‘real’ she is as a trans person, but I *do* think it means she jumped into this ‘media spokesperson’ out of nowhere all too damn soon.

        I’m sure near fifty years of habit (even of throwing weight around to avoid being called queer, even un-transitioned trans people have those fears people will know, etc, even if they *are* keeping up a birth assigned facade well enough. ) …aren’t that easy to file off, but trans people do, generally. She really ought to learn how to represent if she wants to represent.

        • clay

          I’m not going to hold a trans-woman to feminine stereotypes any more than a lesbian or a straight cis-woman.

          • Friday

            Not my intention, but just on lack of *knowing* the community she made herself a spokesperson for, never mind, as it happens even managing to avoid looking like a defamatory caricatures , I’m not sure she’s ready to represent all trans people in the mass media. Particularly in *hostile* mass-media.

            I mean, I’d say much the same if she were trying to over compensate and act *too* stereotypically-feminine, which actually at least is or was reasonably common. You know, there’s being authentic and then there’s getting up in a microphone to represent *and acting* like a ‘man in a dress.’ ) People could be authentically non-representative of their community, the issue there is how she comports herself when claiming to be an authority or representative. She generally seems to be getting publicity by doing or saying *bad* things, notably, and *misrepresenting. *

            I have the impression she at least doesn’t even know *how* yet.

            Like I said, those late-transitioning types have a lot more years of habits to sort through and deal with, if it takes more time it takes more time. It might be sensationalistic to be contrarian, but that doesn’t mean it’s expressing anything well.

            Frankly, I fully support anyone’s right to authentically be a complete *weirdo* if that’s who they are. (I’m hardly a poster child for adhering to strict gender roles myself, even,) …it’s just about the *representing* part. (I do also get a little suspicious when someone turns up out of the blue and starts validating defamatory stereotypes for the right wing media, you know?)

          • Friday

            Not sure why previous comments went away, but that wasn’t my intention. If someone’s authentically not a good representative then that’s their life but that doesn’t mean they ought to go forth and *misrepresent.* It’d be the same if she was acting like a caricature of *exaggerated* ‘feminine stereotypes’ too.

            This one’s really more about living down to defamations, honestly.

  • TampaDink

    Everready? Duracel? Energizer? Rayovac? What kind of batteries? AAA? D? 9 volt?

    • As a silly kid, I used to love touching my tongue to those 9 volt batteries. That tingle both excited me and scared me……

      • Cuberly

        That answers a lot of questions…tee hee…..(ducks and runs)

        Kidding, you know I love you biki 😉 actually I did the same thing. Wait, maybe that answers a few questions for me too.

        • olandp

          Hell, I thought about doing it yesterday when changing a smoke detector.

          • Cuberly

            Wow, I think that was the last time I even saw a 9v battery.

            I just remembered that that was what my brother told me to do to check to see if the battery was still good. Yeesh……he was kind of a jerk.

        • hahahahaaaa! Yup!

          Wait??
          You too?
          Coool! I’m not alone in childhood battery licking!

          • Cuberly

            Yep….then there was that one time with the electrical socket….doh!

          • barracks9

            Did you also pee on electric fences?

          • Cuberly

            Well, got chased into an electrified cow fence one time. That was no fun.

          • clay

            220 circuit running the pumping system for a small swimming pool– hard to close it while NOT standing in water.

          • Cuberly

            Yeowza! And you’re still here. Thankfully 😉

          • clay

            Yes, and I learned to use the back of my hand so when the muscles contract I’m NOT latched onto it.

          • Cuberly

            Wow, that’s freakin scary.

          • NO! Honest??? Wow! I’m impressed.

            One of the sons, bored in class unwound a bit of the spiral of his notebook and stuck the ends into the light socket he was sitting next to. Yes, it caught on fire. Yes, he got in masses of trouble. But he claims it was worth it as it was quite interesting.

          • Cuberly

            Ha! Was he in science class? lol…

          • No, he liked science, he was in literature, which he hated.

          • Cuberly

            Farenheit 451 on the reading list perchance?

            Never mind…I’ll show myself out…..lol…

          • L.O.L! He loves that book, no it was Romeo and Juliet. And I have to agree with him, what a load of tripe that story is. It’s like an telenovia, full of over blown emotions and silly feuds.

            I expect a house to fall on me for hating on The Shakespeare.

          • Cuberly

            Nope, it’s not my favorite either. But, with a big caveat, I’m a huge fan of what other artists have done with the story. For example.

            https://youtu.be/xFRJNT7R3F0?t=1812

            If you listen to it it starts quite then gets really loud. It’s one of my favorite driving bits. And I can hit the low parts in it too wonderfully singable….then there’s the looks you get at red lights when this is cranking w/ the windows down.

          • Hello! My name is Biki and I am a barbarian. Not a huge fan of Opera. Ballet yes, if with classical music, poetry no, no, no.

          • Cuberly

            Ha!….no worries. My music tastes are, um, eclectic & not for everyone…lol…

          • Hey, tis perfectly ok by me! I’m the one who listens to Japanese music, and I only have a handful of words, most of which are geared for hello and excuse me, and thank you.

      • clay

        “Welcome! I’d like to introduce you to our new line of products. Right this way . . . “

        • oooooo! following you excitedly!

        • Bad Tom

          Electrostim — one of my favorite toys!

          • Rich Farias

            Yay!

      • TampaDink

        Between that feat, chasing the bug truck & all of the other stupid shit that I did, it is no small wonder that I lived into my teens.

        • My cousin used to chase the bug truck too! Somehow that scared me, and I would run from the truck.

          However, I used to eat the soft tar that would bubble up to the surface of the street in the summer. Even now, that smell makes my mouth water…. no wonder I’m allergic to so much stuff now!

          • Piet

            Yes, tar! I’ve loved the smell since I was a kid. We used to snatch fresh drips off the little tar trailer when the city came around to patch the road.

          • It’s intoxicating, yeah?

        • Friday

          Sing it: “DDT did a job on me…. 😉 ”

          (Actually I didn’t chase the bug truck, I usually tried to get up higher so I could watch the artificial fog. This, I suppose luckily, usually meant the attic, though of course no AC back then and there so it would likely be an open window. 🙂 )

          (Dim memories come forth. They may have actually been using malathion back then, pardon inaccuracies since I was like fiveor eight years old and space monsters seemed a potentially-more-pressing problem at the time. Yes I could spell malathion, though. 😉 )

  • Six Pins Delores

    Another Reich wing nut needlessly costs the taxpayer again.

  • Isaac

    Shapiro is a moron and a complete fucking bigot. But nobody has the right to assault another person like this. People need to keep their hands to themselves. If Tur is not prosecuted or held liable, then that would hurt our community. It would make us look special and untouchable.

    • barracks9

      ALLEGED assault. It’s not as though Ben’s above lying.

      • Isaac

        Very very common misconception that assault must be physical. An assault is making someone feel like an act of physical violence will occur against them. Battery, on the other hand, is a successful assault. Tur committed assault.

        • barracks9

          OK, Alleged Battery is what the article says. Perhaps you are right, Tur may have committed assault. Where’s the proof that Tur committed battery?

          • Isaac

            Well an alleged crime is simply a crime that hasn’t had its day in court. There’s video evidence here, so “alleged” battery is certainly very generous. People have it in their minds that only extreme violence is prosecuted. Touching someone with the intent that Tur had is a triable crime.

          • barracks9

            Why have a trial? Seems as though you’ve already convicted Tur.

          • Isaac

            So that’s the standard now? People cannot be said to do unacceptably bad things unless a judge has convicted them?

            So Casey Anthony should be able to have a Sittercity profile because she was not convicted of murder? Should we help OJ Simpson find his wife’s real murderer? 9/11 never happened because none of the 19 hijackers were convicted?

            Why is it so hard to say it’s not okay to assault people? Comments like yours express the kind of sentiment that embarrasses our community in times like these.

          • Friday

            I think there’s a distinction here in this discussion between whether or not she’ll get convicted and whether or not she should have said and done that… There is also a great deal of contempt for Shapiro whining to the police about ‘battery’ when he actually was deliberately provoking someone for money. Not to mention promoting transphobia that does lead to *real* violence all the time.

          • Toasterlad

            She both touched and threatened him on camera. It only remains for a judge to determine if that constitutes assault and battery. From my understanding, Tur’s actions fall well within the legal definition.

            Just because we like and sympathize with someone doesn’t mean they’re not legally in the wrong.

        • MickinDetroit

          committed the battery when she touched him too…

    • bkmn

      A simple touch on the neck is not assault. If there are bruises it would be a different issue.

      • JustSayin’

        In most jurisdictions unwanted touching is an assault. Though in this case it will be at mos a $100 fine and a hearty giggle by the judge.

  • barracks9

    I’m sure CNN security can confirm whether they had to walk him to his car. Oh, wait – what? That never happened? Oh…

    I’m just so shocked that this little man would lie. Woulda thunk?

    • JustSayin’

      But I bet he cried for an escort…,to his car

      • TampaDink

        His car, which ironically, is also an Escort.

      • chrisinphx

        He cried there had better be an escort waiting in his car to rock him back and forth and tell him everything will be ok.

        • barracks9

          Does that service also come with a pillow and tennis racket?

  • Scott Carpenter

    He’s a delicate flower, and that mean ol’ lady hurt his widdle feewings.

  • BlueberriesForMe

    I wonder when the last time someone actually touched him – and not because they had to.

    • Elliott

      Or paid to.

  • Gigi

    Shapiro is such a little pussy. He reminds me of about 100 little dweebs that I went to school with. Tough when they were together and scared shitless if they were on their own.

  • bkmn

    He really is such a small man.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      In every sense of the word.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    In the suit, Baby Ben is claiming damages and is asking for dry cleaning bills and a fresh pair of undies, – size extra small.

    • barracks9

      Hey, Underoos aren’t cheap!

      • Mark

        I thought he wore sponge bob….

        • barracks9

          Do they make Sponge Bob pull-ups?

          • clay

            “Now! with actual sponges!”

          • Cuberly
          • barracks9

            That which is seen cannot be unseen.

          • Cuberly

            Ick, now I have sponge bob training pants in my google search history. Gonna have to purge that puppy again. Don’t want those ads popping up that’s for sure.

          • AtticusP

            Yes, but only in big boys sizes. Little Benny has not proven himself worthy.

        • TreGibbs

          Way too liberal of a cartoon character.

      • Ziad

        Rather be a guy who wears underoos than a dude who wears panties over an open wound, which he calls a vagina, and which has to be regularly dilated for life to prevent the body from healing itself.

        • barracks9

          What a special thought to share with us. You’re special, you know that, don’t you? Truly special…

          Oh, look…the short bus is here for you.

          • Lena

            As a person with a mentally disabled sister, I don’t find your comment funny. It’s actually quite vile.

          • Rich Farias

            Careful you don’t choke yourself while clutching your pearls, dear.

        • KarenAtFOH

          You seem remarkably familiar with some of the esoteric aspects of SRS. How long have you secretly longed to be a woman?

          • Friday

            He’s not even familiar enough to be *accurate* about it, actually, Karen. SRS is no more defineable as an ‘open wound’ than is a regular vagina, or …an ear piercing for that matter.

            I mean a freaking hysterectomy or other procedures aren’t an ‘open wound’ either. They wouldn’t freaking *manufacture the stents* if the only market for them all these years was, “We think transwomen need a medical-grade dildo.” Gods.

            (Also it’s just plain inaccurate to claim transwomen actually need to dilate much or at all once scar tissue is well-resolved, regardless of how you try to introcuce ‘ick factor.’ )

            Intact membranes are intact membranes. Preventing, or failing to prevent, say, ear piercings from fusing back together by ‘regular dilation’ (ie, not wearing earrings in some of the piercings you got in the 80’s and 90’s, say, ) doesn’t make them retroactively ‘open wounds all along that healed’ if they fuse shut.

        • Rich Farias

          Go DIAF, troll…

  • Ed Burrow

    …cause you know, Shapiro getting “threatened” by Tur is totally the same thing as all the gay/bi/transgender kids who have been beaten up/mauled/tied up to a fence/killed.
    Yup, totally the same fucking thing.

    • gaymex

      Or the gay bashing that’s end the news all the time.

    • Shaffer

      Why are you putting threatened in quotes? He was threatened. And no, it’s not the same as being mauled or killed. It doesn’t have to be. It is still wrong. If she is prosecuted, she won’t be charged with murder and she won’t do a sentence comparable to that of murder. She’ll be held responsible for what she actually did. I have no problem with that.

      • Ed Burrow

        I never excused her actions. What I was trying to do was compare how threatened he was to what our culture has been put through. No, it’s not the same, nor does it have to be. Wrong is wrong.
        It’s the persecution complex that the little fucktwat has.
        And yes, as little a person as I am, I definitely would have kicked his ass to kingdom come, called the police and signed the battery charges myself.

    • Friday

      Frankly, she may have rather hamhandedly been trying to make that very point with some theatrics, come to think of it. Which’d only make Shapiro more of a wuss. Even if it doesn’t make that any more cool, in the abstract.

    • Steverino

      Exactly. I would love for somebody to scour Shapiro’s rants for any time he posted or suggested, in so many words, that LGBT people who have been abused should “stand up on [their] own two feet and take it like a man [sic].”

      Further, this privileged pipsqueak uttered provocative “fighting words” to Tur, and should be held responsible for that. Tur replied with understandable, defensive outrage to Shapiro’s abusive words, which should mitigate any culpability for her alleged “assault” on him.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    I guess he’ll be using his new legal team…….

  • HZ81

    Pussy.

    • Queequeg

      Exactly what I was going to say.

    • CB

      Exactly the word that I thought!!

      • HZ81

        I don’t even like using that word either and have refrained in private life from using it for years now.

        Here it just seems so, so appropriate.

    • Nani

      . . . is what Tur wishes he had.

      • HZ81

        Poor troll.

      • Friday

        Pretty sure she has one, actually., but I wasn’t paying attention.

        If you wanna split hairs, the grow-your-own variety ain’t exactly all sunshine and floral douche commercials either. 😉

  • Ed Burrow

    Hey Ben, you almost got beaten up by a faggot.
    (I’m well aware it’s not pc, but you know…)

  • Christophe

    What did the willfully ignorant, insulting asshole expect, a kiss and hug? Or…perhaps he did…

    • SoCalVet

      if it were a movie she would have slapped him, and everyone including himself would have known he deserved it.

      • olandp

        If she had slapped the shit out of him there would be nothing left but a suit from the boy’s department.

  • Sam_Handwich

    I think what Tur said was inappropriate, but not particularly serious.

    Anyway, best not to feed into the rightwing’s martyrdom complex.

    • TommyTune

      Given their adversarial relationship on that panel, Zoey’s act of putting her hand on Shapiro’s shoulder was paternalistic, and therefore inappropriate. If a man does that to a woman everyone instantly sees what a paternalistic gesture that is. Since fair is fair, I don’t think she should have done that. But like you say, it’s not deserving of assault charges.

      • That said…I’m not sure I wouldn’t have done the same thing given what Shapiro said. Not saying it’s right in the least, but in that type of moment it’s hard to distinguish what’s right and what’s wrong.

        • clay

          gently stroke his ring finger? (and then tell him it doesn’t rub off?)

    • Toasterlad

      If she hadn’t touched him, he probably wouldn’t have much of a case. As it is, though, it seems like he could really get her.

      • Friday

        Well, assuming even the prosecutors want to be in the position of even bringing that before a grand jury, or something: it’s a pretty dubious case despite that it’s all on video: pretty sure the DA doesn’t want to be used for a talk-show sideshow when Shapiro clearly contrived the whole *situation* and spent all that time deliberately provoking someone.

        I mean, they’re in LA: they *really* don’t want every talk show outburst in freaking Burbank being brought to criminal court so people can get more pageviews or something.

        The Right will whine either way, though, of course.

        • Toasterlad

          I hope you’re right about it not going to trial.

    • Cuberly

      I concur.

    • chrisinphx

      See, now I think had she just looked him square in the eye and said it that would have been fine. I cringed a little when she put her hand on him, but now that I think about it, I think it was more of a “eww, Zoey, now you have cooties” cringe

  • olandp

    Poor little Benny, his mommie needs to re-think those big boy pants.

    • barracks9

      It’s Mame all over again – “Why did I buy him those damn long pants?!?”.

  • Cuberly

    What better way to prop up the “violent LGBT cabal” meme in wingnuttia than to file charges.

    Shapiro doesn’t function like a normal, get a clue, human being. He’s 100% breibart indoctrinated and by doing this he’s going to get scads of clicks, yard upon yard of rage-monkey comments, and may even be able to squeeze a few more media appearances out of it.

    Tur may have taken it too far, but anyone with a brain can see little ben baiting her through the entire panel. It was disgusting behavior on his part. For the legal eagles out there, does that constitute incitement or whatever? I’m no lawyer so help me out here.

    • clay

      Fighting words?

      • Cuberly

        Yeah, pretty much.

      • MickinDetroit

        being provoked is not a defense to an assault and battery or whatever it is Shaprio is claiming. It’s something that would lessen a sentence.

        • David Walker

          How about trans-panic?

        • CJAS

          Correct.

        • clay

          It could lessen the sentence to being nominal, only, in that it could be grounds for a counter-suit.

        • Friday

          Yeah, but in this context it might well affect whether or not anyone even figures an ‘assault’ existed… I mean, when a talk show host is *trying* to provoke people into angry reactions on TV shows, whining to the police bout being ‘battered’ by Tur putting a hand there so he can have more anti-LGBT talking points might not really wash with even prosecutors, when they can see the darn video. 🙂

          I mean, seriously, the stuff people scream at each other on daytime talk shows generally doesn’t result in criminal charges. 🙂

      • Mike

        Wow, you’re defending violence? I didn’t expect that coming from you. Sort of lost respect for you, Clay.

        • clay

          Since you’re writing to someone who has broken others’ bones without regret, believes in (limited) corporal punishment for children, was a hunter, fisher, and trained fighter/killer, I’m going to have to say your respect was based on not knowing me very well. If a toddler is reaching their hand to a hot stove, I will smack it away. If a person threatens someone near me (ncluding me), I will restrain them, and if that means I have to injure them, ok, if that means I have to kill them, ok.

          We don’t base laws on people being angels. If they were angels, we wouldn’t need the laws. We base laws on reality and on our fears. Part of that reality is if you say certain things to certain people, a reasonable person would assume you’re going get hit.

    • SoCalVet

      push people around long enough, and we can get violent. Human nature.

      • Cuberly

        Yep, and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that Tur had had her fill of Ben’s baiting.

    • MickinDetroit

      he never threatened her. being an insufferable jerk isn’t cause to tell someone on a chat show they’re going to leave in an ambulance. She is the one doing all the threatening…and she’s the one that committed the assault and battery when she touched him.

      now, was any of his apprehension “reasonable” …that’s another matter.

      • Cuberly

        Not condoning threats just wondering how Ben’s behavior would impact any actual trial.

        But yeah, as far as I’m aware there’s no law against being an insufferable dick.

        • MickinDetroit

          yup.. being provoked into the fight doesn’t get the charges dropped, It’d be a consideration at sentencing.

          • clay

            Criminal convictions require proof beyond reasonable doubt and civil cases require a preponderance of the evidence, without hearing what’s below the mic’s range, I’m not sure it would ever get to sentencing.

    • JustSayin’

      Love the rage-monkey comments …gonna use that

      • Cuberly

        It’s my go to term for Breitbarters. They may have reached a maximum rage level over the weekend, it was jaw dropping. No fan of McCain but wow did they pile on, it was disgusting.

        http://www.bsicomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/1682-monkey-hitman.jpg

        • ZhyKitty

          I love that pic and would love to see the next one…the one I hope was taken a few seconds later. lol

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Monkey Rage !

          • gaymex

            …but can they fly?

          • Cuberly

            Ha! Interesting setup image there isn’t it…lol…

          • Cuberly

            I like how Carl keeps the dude busy while Bernice goes in for the attack… monkey’s is scary.

      • Paula

        Yes!

  • gaymex

    Wasn’t Tur just “standing her ground”?

    • oikos

      Was the interview in Florida? 🙂

      • gaymex

        Maybe she could say she was “standing her ground” just for the viewers in Florida.

        • oikos

          I know. Just kidding.

          • gaymex

            I knew you were. All’s good.

        • D. J.

          Benny did/does(?) have a house in Orlando. Probably next door to Mat Staver.

          • Piet

            He looks like he never leaves it while the sun’s out. Maybe he’s really a vampire and can’t stand sunlight? That might explain why he’s such a nasty piece of work — hunger pangs.

      • Ian

        Twas in LA which means that our “liberal” jury will find for Tur and imprison Benny-boy.

        • oikos

          I can live with that, happily.

    • David Walker

      And then she put her hand on the back of my neck and squeezed it a little…and I liked it. I LIKED it. And she screamed those horrible words at me, “little man,” and I wanted her to say more! I knew I would be unable to do anything physical, so I thought about that lawyer I met at the rest stop last night….

      • gaymex

        That’s fucking hilarious.

  • Bill

    I don’t think there is anything the police can do for your butt-hurt ego, little man.

    • Sam_Handwich

      they can interview Tur, and then point and laugh at Shapiro

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Perhaps this will help……although, he is Jewish…..

  • sherman

    Breaking!! Angela Merkel Files Battery Charges Against George Bush!!!

  • Al

    Shapiro is a total creep. But what Tur did is not acceptable. If you can’t make your point without threats, you don’t have much of one to make. If she wants to behave like she is initiating a barroom brawl, then go to a bar. Her taunting and physical intimidation comes off as ugly, ugly and ugly. When it is done to us, we rightly protest the incivility inherent. To be taken seriously means responsible behaviour even in the face of dumb statements (which he is an expert at). We either tolerate aggressive bullying, or we don’t.

    • MickinDetroit

      Agreed. however, one is a professional provocateur and the other isnt…so I’d cut her some slack. He was aggressively taunting and bullying her… she took the bait and upped the ante.

      • Toasterlad

        Me too…but, unfortunately (or, perhaps, fortunately) the law doesn’t work that way.

      • Friday

        I do think that context kind of matters a lot, especially when they try recasting news a legally ‘opiniotainment’ to legalize *lying on the news and calling it news,* I do have some difficulty taking it seriously when Shapiro’s doing the equivalent of pressing charges to try to act like a martyr over something thin when one trans person of all trans people talks like another former media personality who probably said such things while presenting as male for a living too.

        It’s like if some pro wrestling promoter or manager character started taking everything said on those shows seriously and whining to the cops about it in a way.

        Or more like that Pam Geller thing in Texas where she deliberately provoked an entire community which from top to bottom agreed, “We’re going to ignore this,” and then acted vindicated when she successfully spent all that time and money provoking a couple people into shooting at someone. Then the media acts like there’s some ‘debate’ about who was ‘in the right’ while the Right claims to have ‘proved’ something about the minority they were deliberately trying to provoke, (and to the exclusion of all else regarding that event.)

        I mean, there’s the letter of the law and then there’s not letting people *use* it to *destroy* civil society. Or civility itself. In America we do not choose to go after hate speech even in the media directly. Even if that means occasionally the Klan shows up and causes trouble or even if the Religious Right and Faux news Lies* to stir hatred. (Not with that. Malicious lies directed at someone shouldn’t become ‘OK’ if they aren’t specifically defamed as individuals, I think. )

        There’s a limit to the letter of the law and that’s why we have juries and judges instead of computers and input technicians deciding these things.

        Context does matter even if haters are always trying to circumvent that. Unlike them, most Americans aren’t sociopaths. It’s one thing if ‘provocation’ isn’t a viable defense because it’s too he-said-she-said and subjective: it’s quite another, I think, if there’s like a half hour of deliberate provocation for money right there on ‘videotape.’ 🙂

    • Friday

      Hard to fault her on her reactions except as being successfully-baited and probably not qualified to be the spokesperson she suddenly appeared to claim to be… but Someone who deliberately and all that time finally found someone he could bait and is trying to play a martyr card about deliberate provocations, *that he makesd money from doing?* though?

      No sympathy if he’s trying to use the letter of the law to further defame minorities by whining to the police about getting what he went to such effort to provoke.

  • D. J.

    So, little Benny is playing with the lights AND the siren in the waaaambulance.

  • garyschor

    Oh look, a bigot and a coward. What a surprise.

  • GarySFBCN

    Damn her for not being civil. How could she. And damn those who started the “Stonewall Riots” and the “White Night Riots” because if we can’t do everything legal and “civil”, we’ve lost the argument. Or something.

    • clay

      People are human. ______ [insert sub-culture of choice] don’t have to be angels to please the “normals”.

    • Vengal

      Um, yeah. That argument makes logical sense. lol!

  • Tammy Rainey

    well he IS a fragile looking little puss so…I guess that might be all it takes to assault him.

  • JustSayin’

    So the little pussy is afraid of a Woman…

    • Sam_Handwich

      he’s afraid of life in general

  • Toasterlad

    Tur brought it on herself…you never, ever lay hands on someone you’re debating, no matter the venue or the provocation. That said, I hope she gets off easy. And it IS amusing to see Shapiro come off like a cowardly little wuss. That should play great with his neanderthal fans.

    • TommyTune

      I agree. See my response to Sam Handwich above.

    • QJ201

      Agree with the first sentence 100%. As to whether he was cowardly or not, I don’t know, but I am not inclined to judge a victim, which is what he is in this instance.

      • Toasterlad

        He’s legally the victim, certainly. Whether or not he’s morally the victim is an entirely different matter, and one in which I have no doubts. He’s a cowardly little asshole.

    • Friday

      Yeah, that was bad, and I still question her fitness as a trans spokesperson.

      Then again I have no sympathy for extreme Righties who deliberately provoke people of minorities they hate for money and publicity, when whine like they’re *vindicated and reverse-oppressed little bullies* if it actually works once in a while.

      • Ramona Love

        Tur has never been an ideal spokesperson.

        every time I see a story about her my first reaction is an automatic “oh shit” and it’s because of shit like this.

        but it’s pretty cool seeing Shapiro get his for once. like, oh wow, a right-winger is finally feeling threatened for once.

        sucks doesn’t it guys?

  • Randy

    Of course he did.

  • Matt

    Well, this should be thrown out immediately. Has he received his latest Professional Victim paycheck yet? Or is that what the lawsuit was about?

    • oikos

      Not much money to be had from the sheeple after they gave what they had to save ‘traditional marriage.’ Ben’s working a new angle to the grift.

  • KQCA

    Wow. There is no limit to the disrespect for another human being. Deport him and drop him in troubled area in the middle east and let him see what persecution is really all about.

  • D. J.

    I cannot hear what Bennie said after Zoey said the word Syndrome.
    The other panelists did and thought it provocative and insulting.

  • Blake Jordan

    An actual police report, wow!

    That almost never seems to be the case when “right wingers” claim they have been threatened (or other)…

    • D. J.

      The Palins get to brawl all they want and are delivered in a limo to do it.

  • Lindoro Almaviva

    Yawn. This bitch just crossed the border from pathetic to brutally boring. At least I can jack off thinking about fucking Ryan Anderson.

    • TampaDink

      Followed by a Silkwood Shower, I hope.

  • noni

    Tur’s estrogen was running low and Shapiro’s was running high.

    This is the result.

    • Ramona Love

      that’s pretty transphobic there

      saying a transwoman’s estrogen is running low because someone deliberately and repeatedly provoked her?

      what

      edit: also, is this a new thing? do women never commit violent acts now??

      • noni

        I agree Tur’s testosterone was running high and Ben’s was running low.

        • Ramona Love

          yes, we get it, you are transphobic.

          • noni

            Yes, we get it that you are cisphobic.

          • JCF

            Not a thing.

          • Ramona Love

            no, I have friends that are cis. my best friend is cis!

  • Gene

    poor fool….the dozen other things that are sad about this aside….I DO take a tiny bit of pleasure in knowing that the rednecks and bigots he associates with will DISDAIN him for this 😉 “you took out a restraining order on a SHEMALE?” (that, or something equally insulting, is what they will call her).
    .
    he lost face with….well..EVERYBODY with this move.
    Good

    • MickinDetroit

      the response over in the hinterlands is not that though…they’re looking at it as turnabout being fair play. all those libtard freaks with their claims of being victims are fake or trumped up….so why shouldn’t shapiro do the same?

  • MSW

    Is it wrong to feel so good about seeing the bullying going in the other direction?

  • When you keep poking a bull don’t be surprised if you get a poke back. He pridefully, hatefully, and ignorantly harassed her. He then had his little man shoulder touched by her hand. and was served a bit of verbal spice in return. Battery Charges? Oh my, grrrrrl….

  • Terry

    Good for Shapiro. Yes,I know he’s a little shit, but in this case he’s in the right. No one has the right to put a hand on him. I don’t care what his views are or how “provocative” they might be. We might remember that advocating marriage equality is “provocative” in a lot of places in the US. Same-sex public affection is “provocative.” And calling the Bible a bunch of BS, which it is, is also “provocative.” Don’t be so quick to defend violence as a legitimate response, because it may come back to bite you.

    • oikos

      “We might remember that advocating marriage equality is “provocative” in a lot of places in the US. Same-sex public affection is “provocative.” And calling the Bible a bunch of BS, which it is, is also “provocative.”
      So what. Thanks for your concern trolling but no one has to walk on pins and needles to please people who want us dead.

      • Glinda of the North

        You’re correct. Lots of troll troll troll your boat going on today. You can see it in the forced language. On our side, it’s always good having your voice here, oikos.

        • oikos

          Thank you. Always amazed at the argument that we should be more tolerant of people who oppress us.

    • gaymex

      Violence is already biting us. Would it have been inappropriate for Tur to turn little Benny over her knee and spank him, after all how else do you handle smart mouthed little boys. She used restraint by not slapping the shit out of him, which I still wish she’d done.

      • David Walker

        I dunno. Benny probably likes being spanked.

        • gaymex

          What a waste of a butt slap.

    • Stev84

      Lightly touching someone during a verbal argument is nothing. In what kind of draconian police state do people want to live to make this a criminal offense?

      There are scenarios were touching someone can be violent. Like forcefully grabbing someone’s arm. Or grabbing someone by the shirt. Pushing them. Maybe shaking them somehow. But nothing like that occurred here.

    • Friday

      Eh, there is a difference between calling a subject ‘provocative’ and *words and acts of provocation toward someone.*

      Being LGBT is not either of those. Actually, say, going up and verbally abusing Christians over their religion *might well be.* They’re the ones trying to blur the lines between ‘being someone we don’t like’ and ‘what we do to them.’

  • AtticusP

    Shapiro, little man, you’ve done it again! “She TOUCHED me!!”

    Whiny, pathetic little scum sucking asshole. The judge ought to throw this one out and assign you all costs then laugh you out of his or her courtroom.

    • barracks9

      Imagine if Tur had surreptitiously grabbed his thigh under the table, out of view from the panel and cameras…

      • Cosmo Tupper

        Shapiro would have felt “movement”, I am sure.

    • oikos

      It’s probably the only time he’s been touched by a woman.

    • Geo

      Fine, but then that will be the new standard for hostile physical contact with transwomen. You get one free neck grab and two free threats. Duly noted.

      • Friday

        Eh, if that were the standard for “If you harass, demean, defame, and insult them and everyone in their minority for a half an hour on your for-profit-deliberately-provocative politically-motivated hater show…” Sure.

        Tur’s words and actions in any neutral context would be clearly wrong. Professional bigots who *support* pro-bullying of *children* candidates oughtn’t to profit by it when they manage to successfully provoke minorities they’re trying to demonize, is all.

      • Rich Farias

        You’re a coward, Geo.

    • JCF

      “She TOUCHED me!!”

      But Bennadette would have put it this way—

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_gtf1xjh38

  • D. J.

    Embracing mental illness as a society? Really Shapiro? Shapiro is the one working for Breitbart.
    I hope filing the police report ends any further invitations to appear on TV for him and lands him into the obscurity he should have always resided.

    • Friday

      Heh. That puts an interesting spin on it if he’s actually whining because he spent all that time provoking someone he claims he ‘believed’ was *mentally-ill.*

      Cause if she *were,* that makes him more responsible for what happened, and to make his case it’s basically got to be shown she wasn’t… but it was OK to call her and everyone like her that anyway. Not that logic matters to the Right.

  • Lori

    /smh/ Always amazes me how some gay people are so eager wage battles that are started by trans activists. Tur is not any kind of friend of LGBs. Ben Shapiro isn’t a friend either of course. So let the 2 of them sort it out. Why do we need to take the side of Tur? Because transsexualism is the same as being gay? Because some activists decided in the 1990s to add “T” to LGB and now we all have to pretend like it’s the law of physics that we are joined at the hip? No, there really is no such thing as LGBT other than as an ideological fantasy. LGBs should make our own judgments in our own best interests. In this case, I can’t support Tur given the degree of violence directed by transgender activists against their critics, especially women.

    • Toasterlad

      If you’re going to make distinctions, why should we stand up for Bi people, either? Why can’t they fight their own battles? And why should gay men care what happens to lesbians, or vice versa? And with all the historically anti-gay animus in black churches, why should we care when African Americans are discriminated against?

      You don’t support a minority because they’re the same as you. You support them because it’s morally right to support oppressed people.

      • Friday

        You’d think that would be obvious. It’s not as if ‘pure’ lesbians and gay men have all that much inherently ‘the same’ outside of how all LGBT people can be treated in society.

        Separatists and TERFs and quislings helping the phobes win would hardly be any good for anyone, whether it’s gay men being beaten up over transphobia or ‘nopt being ‘real men’ or lesbians forced to ‘obey proper birth-assigned gender roles for a woman’ including being some man’s sexual property, or trans people beaten or murdered cause someone claimed they’re forms of gay people who for some reason are out to prey on the ‘opposite’ sex…. etc.

        I mean, in a perfectly equitable and sane world we might never have needed to particularly have a lot to do with each other, but we’re all kind of in the same boat, like it or not.

    • danolgb

      Equality, by definition, doesn’t happen until all are equal.

    • Ramona Love

      what’s the score here?

      danolgb: 9 upvotes
      Toasterlad: 17 upvotes
      Lori: 0 upvotes

      sorry TERFs, you’re not convincing anymore. (and never were, actually.)

      don’t let the door hit you on the way out. we don’t want ass prints on our door.

      • JCF

        Win!

    • Friday

      It’s highly debateable whether Tur is any kind of suitable representative of the *trans* community either, so I don’t think there’s any need to start trying to divide there.

      If you don’t understand that LGBT people are all subject to bigotry based on both sexuality *and* people trying to enforce gender roles, I don’t know where you’ve been all these years since Stonewall.

      And your claims that she constitutes ‘trans activists committing unspecified violence especially against women…’ Well, hrm.

      Frankly it seems to be mostly the gay men here making up those who comment she ought to have given Shapiro an actual drubbing under that provocation anyway.

  • If this does result in a lawsuit it could spell the end of Jerry Springer and all other shows that depend on that format that includes such tricks.

    Hey! I wonder if Zoe could simply claim it was all part of the entertainment – based on the history of the format of that sort of show? I mean, this is sorta like a WWE pro wrestler suing because the other guy broke a chair over his head…

    • Joan

      Uggg, this just gives that idiot more airtime to pretend to speak for people who are politically harmed by every word that comes out of her obliviously oppressive mouth.

      • I’m not going to wast time listening to the whole thing – do you know if she said anything incredibly stupid this time?

        • Joan

          No clue, I was planning to utilize the same strategy as you–I suppose I’ll take one for the team and let you know in a few minutes……

        • Joan

          The above video seemed to end abruptly after 15 minutes, so I don’t know how long it went on after that–but unless I missed something, she actually managed to more or less avoid saying anything ridiculously offensive.

          (I feel incredibly sullied by exposure to that Breitbart guy)

          • Thanks! Now, go wash your brain. 🙂

          • Joan

            Lol, started cooking immediately to cleanse psyche/reintroduce balance to the universe–can’t control the existence of fascists, but can make excellent BLTs with hassle-free oven-cooked bacon. The memory of him will dissolve with the first bite (as will the bacon if I’ve done it right)…..like culinary voodoo (foodoo?)

          • OMG you just made my stomach rumble and people two cubes over noticed! I *might* have skipped lunch today returning some wrong-sized kids swimsuits…

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Yup. “Dr. Drew” == Jerry Springer with ferns.

  • Cosmo Tupper

    Ms. Tur did not help the cause and Mr. Shapiro should be ashamed of his demeanor. He is such a nasty and hateful person and appears to NEVER be happy about anything except when someone suffers. Think there is a mental term for that. Bet his home-life is just at miserable, filled with anger and dissent. Don’t know if he is god-fearing but he probably should beg his god’s forgiveness for his “devilish” arrogance and judgment. I am pretty sure he uses his nasty talents to his benefit to provoke those of us whom are getting pretty fed up with his and his ilk’s better-than-thou attitudes.

    • chrisinphx

      Thats the thing, these Y’all Queda types aren’t happy unless they are making some else suffer or feeling superior to others.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Most straight men don’t recoil in fear and file a lawsuit just because a lady patted them on the back. In fact, the usual reaction is quite different. Seems little Benny Boo Boo is afraid of the ladies.

  • CJAS

    It’s hard to argue that he felt endangered given his responses (and his continued provocations).

  • JaniceInToronto

    Hey look! A complete asshole! What a huge turd.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Someone should beat up Ben’s high-school science teacher.

    And whoever taught him his manners.

  • Steven B

    She barely touched him! And the whole thing is on film. Who do you think you’re kidding? Maybe she’s guilty of invading his personal space but that is not against the law.

  • seant426

    “Don’t let your mouth write a check your body can’t cash.”

  • Palto

    I wonder if Shapiro’s feet will touch the floor when he sits in the witness chair.

  • Mike in Houston

    Dr. Drew set this up — and set Zoey Tur up — to get exactly this kind of reaction and click-bait.

    That said, Ms. Tur has enough combat training to know not to walk into an ambush — and should be better equipped to deal with Shapiro than threatening violence.

  • geoffalnutt

    Pussy.

    • Goodboy

      Makes you wonder how the big bad gun toting Brietbart followers will spin this though.

      • oikos

        Just came from there. “Liberal fascism, if he hit her it would be a hate crime, obama’s fault”, etc.

    • zhera

      That’s offensive to all pussies.

  • Ian

    Any legal eagles have a notion about this lawsuit. Battery could simply be a touch. I don’t know why so many conservatives want tort reform if they avail themselves of frivolous tort suits all the time!

    Update from good ‘ole Blacks’s Law:

    “In the United States, the common law requires the contact for battery be “harmful or offensive.” The offensiveness is measured against a reasonable person standard. Looking at a contact objectively, as a reasonable person would see it, would this contact be offensive? Thus, a hypersensitive person would fail on a battery action if jostled by fellow passengers on a subway, as this contact is expected in normal society and a reasonable person would not find it offensive. Harmful is defined by any physical damage to the body.”

    No physical damage, plus a hypersensitive douchebag. He’ll probably fail.

    • Mike in Texas

      Not to mention attention-seeking whore.

    • Belthazar

      Harmful can be either physical or mental in most jurisdictions. As to the passenger example, there usually is no requisite intent.

      • Friday

        Of course, if he claims to be ‘harmed’ there I do not want to hear a fucking *peep* about opposing anti-bullying protections for children out of him or anyone who believes him.

    • Friday

      He’l probably cash in and spend years acting like that moment from a real rookie self-apppointed ‘trans spokesperson’ defines all trans people forever and ever cause he could construe that as reason to call the cops over…. his deliberately provoking someone for money on his TV show. 🙂

  • bambinoitaliano

    Oh honey do you want to show mommy where Auntie Zoey touched you?

  • oikos

    The butthurt at Breitbart (is still dead) is epic. They are having a meltdown over lil benny getting beat up by a girl.

    • People4Humanity

      *chuckles* to “Breitbart (is still dead)”

  • Belthazar

    Unlike some reality shows and the like, I do not think guests sign an agreement “not to sue”. I do know the attorney in me cringed when I watched it. The physical contact along with the threat exposures her to possibly expensive litigation even if there are no criminal charges.

    IMO, he was not afraid (assault) or injured (battery [mentally/physically]) but new exactly what he was doing to elicited the reaction that he wanted. Unfortunately, she gave him the response he could use.

  • The Professor

    Sorry but this is just precious.

  • leo77

    Shapiro wants this fiasco to live on for more news cycles?

    • Cuberly

      Yep.

  • ETownCanuck

    She should have kept her hands to herself, but it’s a pretty HUGE stretch to consider that battery.

    • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

      It does seem frivolous, but any unwanted touching can be considered battery and the threat of it is assault. She did both.

      • ETownCanuck

        I still think he’ll have a hard time making it stick, and all it does in the meantime is make him look like an even bigger little bitch than he already is.

        • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

          Make it stick? There’s a video of it, witnesses and tweets. All he has to do go down to the local magistrate and file a complaint. The state takes care of the rest. A warrant will be issued. They may try to serve it, but if they can’t find her, she will need to turn herself in. If that doesn’t happen an outstanding warrant will exist and the next time she’s stopped for a traffic issue in that state, she will be taken into custody. He won’t get damages, but It’s going to be a pain in the ass for her, he knows that, and that’s why he did it.

          • ETownCanuck

            After the charges have been filed, a prosecutor will look over the report to determine whether or not he or she believes there is enough information contained within the report to prosecute the assailant. If the prosecution believes that there is enough evidence to prosecute, then an arrest warrant will be issued for the assailant’s arrest from the judge. It’s not likely to pass muster under scrutiny.

          • Belthazar

            It is at the discretion of the prosecutor but if it generates enough publicity, the prosecutor may bring charges, although it is unlikely in this case.

            My concern is the civil litigation, which can be costly. However, it’s my guess (could be wong) that he will just milk it in his martyrdom cause.

          • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

            I’m aware of how the process works. There is enough evidence, video, witnesses, tweets to confirm that she committed simple battery in the state of California which the threshold of willfully touching someone in an offensive manner was crossed.

          • Friday

            There’s also kind of a video of the extended provocation and how petty about the charge and not-really-threatened he was on video, too.

            I mean, the fact that he was deliberately provoking someone on a talk show like various screaming daytime talk shows do every day for ratings does kind of change how *seriously* the complaint gets taken in the first place, especially since he’s doing *that* for publicity (And to fuel hate speech against minorities) too.

            I mean, it’s LA. If every time someone said something or swore to croak someone on a daytime talkshow there were full criminal proceedings they’d never have time for anything else. 🙂

  • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

    She was so matter of fact. The little pisher probably pissed his underoos.

    Technically it was assault AND battery because she both threatened and touched him. Won’t amount to much. Without checking local statutes, I would guess probably a class one misdemeanor, $50 fine.

    • Stev84

      Only in America, land of the free, would this even be anything criminal. Bad behavior yes, but just touching someone during a verbal confrontation or making a half-assed threat doesn’t need to rise to the level of being a criminal offense. It’s not like she grabbed him and screamed in his face.

      • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

        The laws are what they are. You can cut in front of someone at the grocery store, bump them and be charged with battery. You can put your hand on someone’s shoulder. Any unwanted touching. It doesn’t have to rise to a serious altercation.

  • rextrek1

    while I agree Tur should not have “touched” him……..ohhh touched……..maybe Transgender people have about reached their limit on being Treated like Piles Of steaming Shit by people…..every week in America a transgender person is Murdered / and or assaulted in this country!

  • JT

    Li’l Benny actually said, “Just because the left has designated someone a member of the victim class does not mean that that person gets to infringe the rights of others. … Until the left learns that, their aggression will not stop.”

    The “aggression” of the left? Yet another Orwellian move by the wingnuts because the little babies just can’t deal with anyone standing up to them.

    • Friday

      I thought they were the ones who *wanted* life to be like that, ‘no such thing as a hate crime’ and all their guns and violent talk and all, actually. Apparently they only want that if they’re the sole ones dishing it out.

  • DaveMiller135

    She should not have touched him, nor threatened him, but où sont les tough-guys d’antan?

    • CB

      Perdus. Tous perdus.

  • SpiderPIG

    I guess I expect to much from humanity, but it never ceases to surprise me how much of disdain a lot of people have for us.
    They come in droves to spew venom at the LGBT folks (emphasis on “T” in this case) and they all play the victim, those poor, poor phony Christians.

    As they say, to use the correct pronouns is “surrender to tyranny” or something.

  • It was however extremely stupid of Tur to lay hands on or make any statement concerning a physical threat towards Ben Shapiro on TV or twitter.

    Playing directly into their hands. You’d never catch Miss Panti being so foolish. The way the current law works, Shapiro will win his suit. He has to. It’s right there.

    And yes, Shapiro is a little weasel-bitch but that’s beside the point.

    • Phaius

      Unfortunately it played right into his clam-like little hands.

    • Friday

      Yes it was stupid and she shouldn’t be trying to represent trans people. For that reason especially.

      Then again he’s still pathetic for playing the victim after getting what he went to so much very public effort to finally successfully provoke.

  • Peter Wde

    That kind of threatening behavior should not be tolerated, Shapiro is right to report it to the authorities.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      I trust you hold that view when it comes to filth of Christianity & conservatives and their very real verbal & physical threats against LGBT’s. If not, well then…..

      • brian

        Yes he does.

    • brian

      Yeah, yeah, we all know where you stand on most issues. Contraian that you are.

      • He gives us contrarians a bad name.

        He’s a POS, actually.

    • Friday

      Frankly, yes, that kind of threatening behavior should not be tolerated, but no, Shapiro is *not* right to report it to the authorities because he freaking deliberately engineered the situation for *money and political hatred* and it’s obvious he’s just trying to use the ‘letter of the law’ to claim defamatory things about others when he’s actually just playing false martyr… for more money, by acting like such a wuss about something he spent a half hour deliberately trying to provoke.

      I don’t think all that much of Tur, either, but Shapiro’s just being a weasel to support his hatreds and profits. He and everyone in that studio were the ones in control of that situation.

  • JoyZeeBoy

    I admire her restraint. I would’ve smack the living shit out of him.

    • ZeeMentalDisorder

      Good to know. We’ll be sure to let people know to use the same approach with transwomen.

      • Rich Farias

        Go DIAF, troll…

  • Mark

    Benny lost the debate…so he’s gonna try his hand at winning in court. He turned the discussion into a personal attack – albeit verbal – and then goes running to his attorney cuz that “trans-woman touched me!” What a pussy!

    And I still would have liked to slap the ever-living-loving shit clean out of him. He’s a punk and a pussy.

    • George

      I’ve taken a screenshot and I think the responsible thing to do is to share your comment on certain websites and forums. That way, the guys on those sites will know that violence is OK when dealing with transwomen. Please keep sharing!

      • Mark

        Maybe I don’t quite get the tone of your take. I don’t think you’re from around these parts. So, you take all the screen shots you want. And for what it’s worth – I feel that way about ANY BULLY who wants to publicly disrespect ANY person. And most of the bullies DO need the shit slapped out of ’em.

  • Oh, she bwoke his wittle arm. She bwoke his wittle arm.

    Bugs Bunny needs to handle this twerp.

  • I didn’t say this last time there was a story about this event, but I’ll say it now. she should have beaten the crap out of that brat. I realize that would be wrong but if she’s going to be charged with the crime anyway she might as well have had the satisfaction.

    • George

      Thanks for sharing that. I’ve taken a screenshot and I think the responsible thing to do is to share your comment on certain websites and forums. That way, the guys on those sites will know that violence is OK when dealing with transwomen. Please keep sharing!

      • Friday

        Since when have you people claimed otherwise?

  • Ninja0980

    This is how a typical bully reacts.
    Provoke, provoke and provoke some more then run crying when someone has the guts to stand up to you.

  • Rich Farias

    Ms. Tur is going to have to get in line if she wants to curb stomp Shapiro… I believe that the wait list for that is longer than the wait list to see “Book of Mormon” on Broadway.

    • George

      Actually, there’s not. Most people know that you don’t use violence to resolve political differences. Here’s hopin’ that learn that too..

      • Friday

        Tell that to the people that *literally* assault and murder transpeople and other LGBTs cause of what that professional bigot is trying to sell. Tur doesn’t belong there as a media spokesperson, particularly not hostile media, but let’s not pretend there was some ‘violence’ there just cause Shapiro finally found someone he could successfully provoke with all that hate speech and defamation …cause that’s what he is paid to do.

        Also I don’t want to hear another *peep* about opposing bullying protections for *children* if you want to support Shapiro whining ‘violence’ to the police over threats he provoked on his *talk show.*

        Screencap *that.*

        • Rich Farias

          Completely off-topic… is your screen name and avatar a reference to Heinlein’s novel?

          • Friday

            Among other things, yes. 🙂

          • Friday

            Ever been treated as an ‘AP?’ 😉

          • Rich Farias

            Heh… from time to time…

          • Friday

            (actually the avvi is from a different book though. Also there’s an old movie and Dragnet. 🙂 )

      • Rich Farias

        Don’t clutch your pearls so tightly, dear… you’ll strangle yourself.

  • Michael

    Once again the right bullies and enrages, then plays victim.

  • Richard B

    You can’t make this stuff up – the odious Ben Shapiro believes he got assaulted after he repeatedly provoked and insult Zoey Tur. It is his brand to be indignant and offend. On the other hand, most people should know better than insult an talented intelligent transgender person, for they will insult you right back in a snap with their overwhelming wit. All she did was warn the toady little boy not to cross the line again or risk going home in a ambulance. My take was the little bully wasn’t used to getting verbally bitch slapped and gloriously humiliated in front of a large audience.

    • Friday

      Of course in Boston a *lady of queerness* does *not* threaten to ‘curbstomp anyone.’ One calmly says, “If you don’t knock it off I’m totally going to punch you in the penis, dude.” 🙂

      (If do right, no can defense. ;))

      OK, I gotta go get punk rock Memory L
      ane out of my system. 🙂

  • Reasonoverhate

    Zoey got played. I despise that little shitstain of a man but he knew exactly what he was doing and got the reaction he wanted. If Zoey is going to continue to be an activist she needs to get her temper under control and wise up!

    • Friday

      She needs to freaking educate herself beyond being a media personality that did most of her transition in secret starting a couple years ago and is promoting herself as an ‘expert.’

      Notice the contrast with Catilin Jenner: similar position, not pretending to be a journalist, despite having been apparently on a big ‘reality TV show’ before being dragged into the spotlight, actually appears to at least have been *trying* to educate herself on real and non-celebrity trans people’s struggles. Zur seems to have appeared suddenly trying to make a ‘controversy’ of herself for being contrarian, then what, starts living down to defamations?

      That’s always kind of had an odor to it and I don’t particularly trust Caitlin Jenner for similar reasons, but at least she *knows* she’s not ‘representative’ of trans people’s circumstances.

  • brian

    While she was overly aggressive with poor little Ben and I can’t condone violence or threats thereof, it would have been great to see her rise up and beat the hell outta the punk.

    • Friday

      Great for everyone but trans people, you mean, especially those without weight *to* throw around, never mind posture with.

  • Delphini

    I really wish Zoey had been assertive without being threatening. She could’ve said “stop that right now, or I’ll start calling you little Miss Douchebag” or some insult without any perceived threat. I get the strong impression that she was venting not making a serious threat, but she should have been aware of how it could be used. I think most people use exaggerations to express anger, but it’s still a good idea not to use such language if there’s any chance it could be misinterpreted. You might say “I coulda punched his head off” as a way to express anger even though you absolutely don’t intend to commit violence. But I would strongly recommend keeping such expressions out of the workplace, emails, and anywhere else where it could be misinterpreted (like a TV show with a nasty little man).

    • Friday

      It’s a conservative pundit, anything you *mean literally* will be *disinterpreted* anyway. It’s not as if he was even freaking listening. 🙂

  • Delphini

    Some random thoughts:
    I have a hard time with seeing the touching of his neck as actually criminal. If you agree to talk with and sit close to someone, should you really be able to complain about being touched on the arm or back? Certainly other types of touching should not be legal unless there’s obvious consent, but just that? Also Shapiro didn’t indicate that he didn’t want to be touched…

    • Friday

      Technically in other contexts it surely would be, particularly with the verbal threats.. though Shapiro’s a total wuss about acting ‘martyred’ over someone getting out of line at his own very public and very deliberate happened-to-be successful bullying and provocation on a *TV show.*

  • Dean Cameron

    I guess since the Battery charges he filed against his Bubbe, his Nana, and his Auntie Sophie turned out so well… why not?

  • SoCalVet

    Over at some little piss-ant right wing nut job blog that was collectively bashing LGBTs, liberals and specifically Zoey Tur, they couldn’t take this comment, and blocked me. HA!

  • goofy_joe

    Kick a hornet’s nest…but then don’t be surprised or offended when they sting you.

  • CJAS

    Since the administration of law is sometimes neither rational nor objective a queer-hating prosecutor and/or judge could complicate this matter.

    • Friday

      That is true, (I mean, it *is* prosecuteable, I think, but also frivolous considering the context and provocation and the fact Shapiro’s actually trying to use the process for hate-politics and publicity for such. Judges ignore far more serious things than this even, notoriously so in domestic cases. Good chance it’ll be down to a mutual restraining order or something, even. ) You know, there’s upholding the law and there’s letting people use it for media stunts.

  • Gerry Fisher

    He tweets it out himself. Extreme douchebaggery mixed with more than a dollop of narcissism.

  • Judge Jody

    “Mr. Shapiro, you are absolutely correct. Ms. Tur cannot put her hands on you, no matter how reprehensible your speech. Sticks and stones, Ms. Tur! On the charge of assault, I find you guilty, and I am awarding Mr. Shapiro $1 in damages.”

    “On your counterclaim against Mr. Shapiro, Ms. Tur, I find in your favor, Madam. I find him guilty of intentionally inflicting emotional distress on you, and I am awarding you $5. Pay the lady $4, Mr. Shapiro. Case closed!”

    “You two deserve each other. Now leave Officer Byrd and me alone! Get out of my courtroom! Step out!”