Anti-Gay Oregon Bakers Reap $352,000 From Christian Crowdfunding Site

Via the Washington Times:

A crowdfunding campaign for the Oregon bakery Sweet Cakes by Melissa has set a site record by raising $352,500 in about two months after being kicked off the GoFundMe website, far exceeding the initial goal of $150,000. Jesse Wellhoefer, founder of Continue to Give, said the Sweet Cakes effort has raised more than any previous campaign on behalf of individuals in the three-year-old crowdfunding website’s history. Mr. Wellhoefer said his company had received “lots and lots” of complaints about the Sweet Cakes crowdfunding campaign, but that he has refused to remove it. “Lots of people have been asking us to take it off,” Mr. Wellhoefer said. “Our response has been, ‘Thank you for your concern, have a great day and God bless you.’” Launched May 5, the Sweet Cakes crowdfunding campaign has received 7,651 donations and thousands of messages of support such as, “Keep on fighting,” “God bless you,” and “Don’t back down!! We are standing with you.”

The amount raised is nearly triple the fine. Plus it appears the Kleins get to keep the $110K raised before GoFundMe pulled the plug. (Tipped by JMG reader Blair)

  • bkmn

    Lots of grifters, er, Xtains are gonna want to get in on this scam.

  • barracks9

    And yet, every hatemonger online would have us believe these two charlatans are penniless and homeless now, after this fine. So many lies, such easy grifting.

    • Herald

      Why should they tell the truth when lies are serving them so well?

    • OdieDenCO

      give it time. Every grifter within reach of the internet knows they are “christian” with scads of money. They will declare bankruptcy with in 2 years.

      • barracks9

        That too will be our fault.

  • AtticusP

    I miss George Carlin!

    • radiofreerome

      Not really. George didn’t know the difference between a median and a mean.

      • AtticusP

        Perhaps.

        But I have yet to hear why it is that we park in driveways yet drive on parkways.

        I think that humor transcends statistical formulae.

        At least, I hope so.

      • teeveedub

        It’s a punchline.

  • Rick

    I read an article today that explained that the fine was for the emotional duress caused by the death threats the lesbian couple received after the asshole husband published their personal information on his Facebook page.

    • danolgb

      Yep. But you won’t read that in any of the right of center media.

      • Blake Jordan

        Of course not, it hardly endorses the false idea that the bakers are the victims!

        • danolgb

          Meanwhile, according to the right of center media, the couple is under a gag order and can’t talk about the case. a “violation” of their First Amendment rights. Yet.. wait, how else would we know about the imaginary gag order?

      • Doug105

        Like a number here, were not crying over the fine being too high.
        Not naming just pointing out.

    • BobSF_94117

      Well, that article is wrong. The fine was for what they did in refusing the customers and in broadcasting an intent to deny service.

      Dealing with his exposing them to ridicule and abuse would something for a civil case (which the ladies might consider now that the cretins are flush with cash…).

      • cmh

        I thought the fine was for damages in exposing the couple to death threats for posting their public information.

        • David L. Caster

          That has been reported here. There is also a link there to the court’s ruling in the civil case.

  • Drayfield

    I’m hoping they have gay children

    • danolgb

      Why would you subject gay children to the torture of having these parents?

    • Pugsandcoffee

      Man, I hope they DO NOT. They do not seem to be the kind of people capable of change and compassion, and that’ll just lead to increased suicide possibilities for the children.

      • Octavio

        Plus, it keeps the gene pool muddy.

    • Ninja0980

      Why, so they can be disowned and thrown onto the streets?

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      I hope both their dads come out as gay and move in together.

      • TampaDink

        And when their two dads decide to marry one another, may they buy a very expensive cake from another baker.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          And tweet the giant cock cake to sweet sweet never so sweet Melissa.

          • TampaDink

            Perfect. We know that the happy couple would have the manners to invite their children but it is highly unlikely that Melissa & her baseball cap attached to a human would be in attendance.

    • Toasterlad

      The last thing I would wish upon any gay child is parents like that.

  • Pugsandcoffee

    There’s a lot of money in the fake outrage machine.

    • Herald

      The professional self made martyr / grifter can pay well and they are milking it.

  • gaylib

    I hope someone at the IRS is paying attention.

    • danolgb

      Sadly, the way these funding sites are structured, the funds aren’t taxable. You can “gift” up to $14,000 without it being taxable and each “donation” is a separate “gift.”

      • ahh fucking hellz! the deck is stacked in their favor, as per usual.

        • gaylib

          Well, there is Karma. And I here she’s a real bitch.

      • gaylib

        🙁

      • lattebud

        Since the $20K threshold was passed, the Continue to Give administrator will need to be a 1099-K produced and sent to the IRS. Now, the recipient of that 1099-K better account for it on their taxes. They can try and convince the IRS it was all small gifts to them. But, will the IRS go for this?? “We received these funds because we made a bad business decision”

        • danolgb

          Sorry.. hadn’t been paying attention to this thread. Yes, they will receive a 1099K, but that doesn’t mean the money is taxable. IRS probably won’t get involved. The definition of a gift is pretty loose and 1099K does not report the money as earned income. It just reports money changed hands.

  • LADY MABELINE

    Fucking shameful when you think how that money could be used to alleviate some misery for those who are poor or hungry. “Christians” my ass.

    • oikos

      It’s their own fault. Those poor or hungry people should have inherited lots of money and they wouldn’t be poor. Instead they just want free handouts from the industrious Kleins.

      • David L. Caster

        The poor and unemployed need to work more hours, according to Jeb Bush.

  • Circ09

    I’m sure their first priority is to donate all that excess to a good Xtian cause.

    • Homo Erectus

      You funny lady.

  • Funbud

    Truly horrible people. Just be grateful you don’t have to wake up in the morning and be them.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Or have to be their neighbors.

  • Blake Jordan

    Think of all the charitable work they will be able to do with this money, Jesus will be so happy… HA FUCKING HA!!!

    • barracks9

      Maybe he can finally afford to have the doctor remove that ugly growth from his chin.

      Wait, what?

      • TampaDink

        His beard isn’t always on his face.

  • JaniceInToronto

    Something about a fool and his money…

  • bambinoitaliano

    This is why all the anti gay vitriol. It’s money in the bank.

    • Tor

      At least for now. The idea of “reward the bigot” is still novel. Donor fatigue will set in.

  • AW

    Well this seems like a good business plan actually:

    1. Open business
    2. Discriminate against the gays
    3. Close up shop citing “death threats” over my “religious liberty”
    4. PROFIT! (only because the dumbest people alive will donate to this)

    • bambinoitaliano

      We gays are the one that keep giving. We are the most desirable business commodity.

      • canoebum

        More exactly, it’s hatred of gays that pays so well. This accumulation of money is the expression of pure animus. I hope the AG steps in to enforce the Son of Sam laws.

    • Octavio

      It’s one of Glenn Beck’s recipes for becoming a successful christain.

    • Brian Keith

      I’d rather have the fools donating towards their vacation rather than other causes.

      • bkmn

        Every dollar that goes to the haterz is not going to Republican candidates or the RNC so it is good.

        • Bill

          Don’t forget…..State, Local and Fed Taxes I believe will need to be paid.
          Yes Allot of money for these idiots, but hopefully a decent amount will need to be paid back to the Government.

          • Tor

            I’ve read contradictory opinions on that. Some say each of the individual gifts is low enough to be non-taxable…

          • cmh

            I believe you are right, donations under 10,000 per individual gift are not taxable. The woman who was tormented on the school bus by middle schoolers a while back ended up with around 650,000 and I believe it was free of taxation.

            Frankly the fact that they got this makes me angry. Fuck them. However I wonder if they with tithe 10%.

        • Toasterlad

          Republican candidates and the RNC don’t get their money from the toothless hillbillies in the bible belt who send money to bigoted bakery owners. They get their money from greedy billionaires who don’t give two shits what gets written on a fucking cake, as long as their taxes stay obscenely low.

          • Nexus1

            Yep. Basically all of this money is coming out of Pat Robertsons pocket or whatever televangelist the bigots would have donated to this month. I don’t think they’ll be too happy with the Kliens. Pastor needs a new gold lining for his 3rd houses swimming pool ya know.

    • D. J.

      Wait until every relative and person they ever met comes to them with their hands out for a loan or gift of money.
      Their problems have just started. (Hehehe)

      • Gest2016

        Plus I get a real methamphetamine vibe from them, one of them will no doubt end up in God;s loving arms sooner than later.

    • Tor

      You don’t even have to actually discriminate, Just announce you intend to, given the chance, like the pizza haters.

    • Grifters

      Oregon has a “Son of Sam” law that makes it illegal for a criminal to profit from their crime. The state’s Attorney General should be stepping in and confiscating every cent of these ill gotten gains, but she is apparently refusing to enforce the law in this case.

      The Attorney General is Ellen Rosenblum and the phone number is (503) 378-4400. Call her and demand the she enforce Oregon’s law against these criminals!

      • Bj Lincoln

        They did break the law and are profiting from it. Thanks for the post.

      • AW

        Perfect! That’s amazing. Thanks for this.

    • Gest2016

      People who win the lottery typically revert to their previous economic status within ten years. These bigots are human trash and will no doubt end up in the garbage where they belong.

    • Steve Teeter

      Yeah, but even the dumbest people alive eventually wise up. This is a scam that can be done once or twice, but not much more. Even the idiots will balk when the 25th anti-gay baker comes along with his hand out.

  • royinhell

    Why does it seem that christians have so much available money to throw away on crap like this (also see: Megachurches)?

    • bambinoitaliano

      Don’t forget US is still one of the most generous donors in the world. The difference is the media rarely focus on foreign aid these days. So they are plenty of money to be given domestically.

  • KaBoomBOX

    More money than they would have made making cakes. Hate pays.

  • Jafafa Hots

    Hate is profitable.
    Except hating Christians, that is.

  • Ninja0980

    That money could have gone to homeless shelters, veterans programs, animal shelters etc.
    Instead it’s being used to fund hate.
    These bigots and all them who enable them disguist me with their hate, they truly do.

    • TampaDink

      But some of those homeless, & vets might be godless homos….and animals, well, they fuck animals!

    • Steverino

      We give to organizations like the Ali Forney Center, that help people in need.

      They give to faux-martyrs like these two drips, who are only interested in helping themselves.

    • Blake J Butler

      Republicans are only charitable when it’s convient for them, meaning to use a issue to gain money and influence. Yes that money could have been used for worthy causes like you just mentioned, but the conservatives only fight for rights that contradict their views. They fight to death for the rights of a fetus, yet when that child is born and becomes a person, and asks for education and healthcare, social programs period, they cut those things, because of the costs. And that’s just a example, because they constantly screw oVer everyone. If those kind of folks were always in charge of how this county runs, you’d only have it made when your inside the womb, because when your outside, your fucked for life.

    • Nexus1

      Hatred is an easier emotion for them to feel rather than compassion. Hating is easy, loving is hard it seems.

  • Ginger Snap

    Being a bigot is way more profitable than working g hard and following the laws of this country. This is what scum of the earth looks like.

    • oikos

      They have lots of role models: Franklin Graham, Tony PerKKKIns, Brian Brownstain, ………………………………

      • Octavio

        Mittens Romney.

    • colaboy29

      I look at it this way: the first few luck out. As other “good Christians” start screaming of persecution and start a page to get money, more and more of people who donate will run out of funds to give away.

  • BaddogLtd

    Remember:

    • AW

      Ahh! The real reason…

  • Paula

    Hate pays!

    • TampaDink

      And quite well too.

  • KnownDonorDad

    Ah, cake martyrs…they suffer so little that they actually make a profit.

  • Sean Williams

    One of the more successful income redistribution programs. I support it.

  • Ninja0980

    I’m assuming this website owner will be as supportive of someone who violates Oregon’s discrimination laws when it comes to Christians then?

    • TampaDink

      Or why not regarding racial, gender, ethnicity, or age?
      This could turn into a cottage industry….actually it could turn into a huge subdivision industry.

  • Octavio

    Empirical evidence that Jesus does not save. He grifts.

  • Bill T.

    Since the beginning of time, hate pays.

  • Megrim Twist

    Hate reaps $$$. It never fails!

  • Ninja0980

    If this had been 50 years ago, it would have been black or interracial couples the Kleins would have been denying service to, and if the internet had been around back then, we sadly would have seen the same thing.
    Sad to say but money in raised in hate is often more successful then that raised in love.

    • Tor

      Not “often,” but “almost always.” It’s what keeps churches and the Republican Partei in business.

  • CaliforniaDude

    i love this. everybody wins! The couple discriminated against gets their money…paid courtesy of the bigots! Everybody wins! Keep paying those fines bigots! Christians break the law…then they have to pay the penalty for breaking the law. everybody wins and the Christians are happy to help out for a good cause:)

    • Toasterlad

      I know you’re being sarcastic, but no…not everybody wins. The reason for the fine in the first place was because these fuckers humiliated and dehumanized two innocent women. All this does is encourage more ignorant fuckers to humiliate and dehumanize more innocent people…people who would probably prefer to just be treated like anyone else by a business establishment, rather than having to take them to court in the hopes of maybe getting a monetary settlement.

      • Tor

        I have a feeling the anti-gay martyr business will get old pretty fast, and there won’t be so many dollars to be made. There will be a fixed amount of money to spread around an increasingly large group of grifters-to-be. Donor fatigue.

        • Homo Erectus

          Remember the ice bucket challenge?

  • Robert W. Pierce

    Nice piece of change for grifters.

  • John T

    This is precisely the reason why the amount of the fine was so high, and precisely the reason why y’all concern trolls are idiots for wringing your hands about “I don’t know, guys, I’m concerned that the fine was unfair…”

    • David L. Caster

      Here is a more complete account.

  • Jmdintpa

    i got me one of them there go fund me accounts and all i got was a bunch of hateful queens making hateful remarks

    • TampaDink

      Maybe you (and I) need a course in remedial grifting.

    • bkmn

      You forgot the holier than thou part – that is what gets the money rolling in.

      • Jmdintpa

        dammit…. i need lessons… reckon i might need to sign up for the reverend cleetus b jacksons bible college and edumacate myself.

  • John T

    I propose a neologism: Chrifting (a portmanteau of Christian and grifting).

    • BlueberriesForMe

      “Chriftingist” – one who practices Chrifting.

      • John T

        Keep it simple, just go with “chrifter”.

      • John T

        “Chriftivist”: someone who thinks he’s stickin’ it to the homofascists by donating to a chrifter’s crowdfunding campaign

  • SFBruce

    Anti-gay bigotry: the new path to fame and fortune. And not only do they get to rake in a nice heap of cash, they claim victimhood and a victory for Jesus. The right wing jackpot.

    According to the Washington Times article Joe references, they also get to keep the 109K from GoFundMe before they got shut down.

  • Toasterlad

    Just like it’s illegal from convicted criminals to profit from their criminal notoriety, it should be illegal for bigots to profit from their discrimination. Any money collected in support of these neanderthals should go to the victims of their ignorant bigotry.

    • SFBruce

      That would get my vote.

    • KQCA

      You stop that making sense, Toasterlad, you stop it right now, ya hear?

    • Veylon

      Anybody got a story to tell about that one time you smoked weed? Watch out because the government’s liable to be on your case about it.

      Let these handful (a dozen, maybe?) of haters have their windfalls; it’s better that than a law that could have some horrible implications.

      • Toasterlad

        People having to go to court to sue for the rights they’re entitled to as Americans aren’t horrible enough implications for you?

  • Galvestonian

    WOW ! get close to half a million dollars for being a bigot … Republican Conservation Educational Values at their best. Hate & Fear – it’s what makes a Republican the wackadoodle that he is.

  • KQCA

    A sign of the support for hate and bigotry. We need to take this as a sign of what we’re up against in the 2016 election.

    As I observed years ago when working in Christian television, rallying a people in hate against another pays BIG time!

  • Mike__in_Houston

    As George Gershwin once penned, “Nice work if you can get it…”

  • Ogre Magi
    • Toasterlad

      I remember that little asshole! Glad he came around.

  • JT

    Hate sells.

  • Michael Rush

    are they working from their home or online so they can refuse service to anyone ? i suppose they closed down their retail store . they do have a website.

    • Tor

      I can’t imagine having my wedding cake delivered by FedEx.

  • clarknt67

    At least it is $352K these rubes did not give to NOM or FRC.

  • Harley

    More power to them. That is that much less paid in tithes and for republican candidates, not that the politician need help with their Koch Brothers support.

  • BobSF_94117

    I wonder how much will be left after the lawyers get their cut.

  • lenvus

    Okay, time for me to sign up! I want to travel on a world-wide, year long cruise — oh, and buy a Mercedes CLS 6.3 AMG — but I can’t because I have a job. So, I’ll claim my job is prejudicing me by wasting what would otherwise be valuable time by forcing me to actually perform my assigned tasks. Then, I create a “GoFundMe” account. Any suggestions?

  • Delphini

    Okay, someone seriously needs to call out Tony Perkins and Todd Starnes for claiming the Kleins are in danger of becoming homeless. They really, REALLY need to answer for the claims they’re spreading around: http://www.christianpost.com/news/lien-on-me-how-the-state-of-oregon-is-threatening-a-christian-bakers-home-141391/
    The same claims are posted elsewhere too. Where is the money going that they can’t pay the fine? Is there a reporter who could confront them on this?

    • TampaDink

      Xtian talking points are never required to be factual.

  • mwest

    It’s a lot of money but half of the 800,000 raised for that Indianan pizzeria. 7500 isn’t really a lot of people either. I think sooner or later they’ll get tired of propping these businesses.

  • Ninja0980

    The website raising this money will of course fail to mention the Kleins knew they were breaking the law and bragged about it.
    They will also neglect to mention how Aaron put the lesbians couples home address on his facebook page and encouraged people to give them a “friendly” call, which is the main reason the fine was so high.
    And they will almost certainly fail to mention the fact the Kleins have options about other groups as well, which includes ideas about blacks being monkeys.
    Omitting facts is still lying, something their Gawd strongly condemns.

  • TJay229

    Sad.
    But, Im fine they got their grift on… One things for sure, they won’t be in the public business no more. Which is good.

  • franklinb23

    Well, this strategy worked in our favor, didn’t it? Not only do the Kleins get to tour across country as “martyrs” for the Religious Right, they come out ahead financially as well. Nicely played, I guess.

    If someone refuses service, publicize their refusal and boycott them, and then find another shop. They won’t be able to do a thing about it.

    • Professional martyrdom has a rather short use-by date. They’ll be nine-day wonders until the next Christianist hero comes along. Has anyone heard from Ladyfingers lately?

  • Punitia

    Perhaps they weren’t fined enough?

  • Bill

    REAL christians help OTHER christians break the law.

    It’s just what Jesus wants.

  • robirob

    haters gonna hate … and make profits!

  • JoyZeeBoy

    Yeah, well, that crowdfunding thing is gonna get old, fast, when the current crop of donors realizes that we’re filing more suits than they can possibly afford to offset.

  • Peter Wde

    Good, glad they’re at least going to come out ahead and maybe with a real nice little nest egg if that outrageous fine is dismissed on appeal.

    • NZArtist

      You *really* enjoy hanging around with gays, don’t you.

      • Peter Wde

        Yeah I do actually, but gay, straight, lesbian, trans…whats the difference. Do draw the line at whiny liberals though, gotta have some standards.

        • NZArtist

          Comment redacted… I apologize for feeding the trolls.
          Bad NZArtist. Go sit in the corner.

          • Peter Wde

            It was delicious though.

        • joe ho

          lol. but you don’t mind siding with whiny christers who don’t want to be polluted by selling wedding cakes to lgbts! oh the conservatard irony!

          • NZArtist

            It’s only conservatism when the free market favours christers. It’s totally evil corporate bullying and anarchy when business are gay-friendly.
            Having an invisible friend does bad things to your cognitive abilities.

          • Peter Wde

            Personally, I’ll side with anyone who’s offering cake…except whiny liberals of course.

          • joe ho

            lol. and yet you seem very whiny yourself!

          • Peter Wde

            Yes am whiny…but not whiny liberal…you see the difference?

          • joe ho

            lol. a typical bit of conservatard nonsense. you really are quite the clowns, aren’t you? now go and plug yourself into your favorite ted cruz audio-book for your daily dose of conservatard whining and bigotry!

          • Peter Wde

            Humor does always help I find.

            Sorry to dash your preconceptions (bigotry even!) but there’s as much chance I’d vote for Cruz as HRC (or read the scribblings of either).

            Never done the audio-book thing, though there’s nothing wrong with audio-books (a little elitism there?) but just try taking my kindle away…

            Now back to whining.

  • Stephen

    Ignorant people will always be fleeced

  • DesertSun59

    Not a cent of that money will be used to feed the hungry or any other traditional Christian reason to exist.

  • Dennis

    Karma.
    They’ll get the funds minus the crowdfunding site’s cut, then paying their fine, then maybe they’ll open up their bakery again. But why would they? They might be asked to bake for gays again.
    So instead they’ll buy a new house, cars, ATVs, a little nip and tuck for the Missus, vacations etc. Three months later they’re down to their last $200 wondering where it all went.

    Karma

    • Peter Wde

      Well, at least they’ll have something to show for it, house, truck, ATV etc. not too shabby.

      • Dennis

        House: needs new furniture, upkeep, grounds work, taxes etc
        Automotives: Useful life of about five-seven years with maintenance
        Clothing: annual turn over
        Vacations: only photos remain, as does that case of herpes Mister contracted from the cruise ship bartender

        • Peter Wde

          Still better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick though.

        • You really can’t put a price on the herpes down-low, can you?

      • NZArtist

        Material possessions are *so* important to christians. Their bible was all about the accumulation of wealth, and being wankers to your fellow humans.
        They’re so very much archetypal christians. They encapsulate everything christianity is known for.

        • Peter Wde

          Well, natch can’t speak for them, but I’m pretty attached to my worldly goods, maybe it’s different for you.

          • NZArtist

            As I said, they’re archetypal christians – a shining example of everything christianity stands for.
            They’re a credit to atheism.

          • Peter Wde

            If they want to be atheists, then welcome on board!

    • LonelyLiberal

      Missus might want to schedule some lipo as well. Just sayin’.

      You’re probably right. 350K sounds like a huge amount of money. Properly managed, it is a pretty good clip of cash.

      I have no confidence these people will manage it properly. More likely, as you said, they’ll blow it–and there won’t be a second handout.

    • Schlukitz
  • Harlan92

    Pfft. I’d rather not have $200K and not have history remember me as a total arsehole.

  • TexasBoy

    Why isn’t it illegal to make money by breaking the law? A court should be able to seize the funds and distribute them to the suing party for damages.

    • I would have thought so — “earnings from crime” and all that — but what American law has to say about that I don’t know. Especially as the Christianists will maintain that giving those people money is legally-protected exercise of religion.

      it will be interesting to see what happens in the next case(s) that hit the Courts. Will judges take the probable availability of go-fund-me money into account when assessing punitive damages?

  • Marides48

    So will the excess Money collected be donated to charity?
    Probably not! After all, chrsitians can be greedy. Not holding my breath until they give donations.
    At least the plaintiffs will get their share of the $$$

  • Duh-David

    Magic Eightball says: Outlook not so good

    Taxes, greed, fighting, divorce — Bad money brings bad.

  • TreGibbs

    ka-CHING !!!!

    • zhera

      Brian Brown is probably looking into how to start a bakery. Preferably in the gayest town in USA.

  • Cyril

    this is disgusting!!

  • NZArtist

    Dogs below, I hope someone can revisit where this couple is at in ten years time.

    • John T

      They will have divorced by then, of course, and be despised by their teenage children.

  • Nexus1

    Well considering that the racists of this country gave Zimmerman and Micheal Brown’s killer over a million dollars, it’s no surprised that the bigots helped the cake martyrs. This will still be lucrative for the bigots for a while to come, that’s exactly why the laws need to be enforced. Businesses who violate public accommodations laws and anti discrimination laws/ordinances need to be fined or to have their business licenses revoked. They can all try to make money from crowdfunding if they want to, but the buying public needs to be protected first and foremost. See this is where the arguments that ‘the market will punish business owners for discrimination, we don’t need to file complaints or lawsuits’ argument falls apart. This couple has made more money off of breaking the law and humiliating a gay couple then they would have if they kept making shitty cakes. There may be even more brazen service refusals to come after this. Sometimes the market won’t balance things out, that’s why we have the law.

    Also to those who say that the couple shouldn’t have filed a complaint, in the other handful (and lets remember there are only 6 or 7 of these cases in the last 12 years) at least two of the couples didn’t even file a complaint, they just talked about it to friend via social media and word got out and the state pursued action. We all know that there have been more than just 6 or 7 gay people or couples who have been refused service over the last 12 years, so to complain about the half a dozen who spoke up about it is foolish in my opinion. You can’t police over 30 million LGBT’s actions. I hope that the lesbian couple get all of their settlement quickly now since the Kliens have more than enough funds to meet the judgement against them.

    • Peter Wde

      Nope sorry, they’re appealing the decision, as is their right.

      • Nexus1

        That’s all you’ve got? How does that contradict my statement? Whenever this is finally adjudicated I hope that the lesbian couple gets their settlement quickly since the Kleins have more than enough funds to meet the judgement against them. Whether that is now or in a years time when they have exhausted their appeals.

        • Peter Wde

          Maybe, we’ll just have to wait and see. I predict the fine will be sharply reduced on appeal since it obviously is outrageous and completely out of proportion to the facts of the case.

          • Nexus1

            The judgment against the Kliens isn’t a fine, it’s punitive damages for the emotional duress they caused by putting the lesbian couples personal information on the bakeries Facebook page and the death threats the couple received from that and the resulting media attention the Kliens have sought since the complaint was filed. I don’t think that will be sharply reduced. But even if it is, the couple should receive what is rightfully theirs without delay once the case has been fully adjudicated.

          • Peter Wde

            The death threats are not germane to the fine/penalty, at least not unless the Kleins were responsible for making them. As for the lesbian couple, from the itemized list of emotional distress episodes triggered by “sorry, cant bake you a cake” one of them at least is either profoundly psychologically damaged or a pathological liar.

          • Nexus1

            Tell all of that to the judge who sited them and the history of jurisprudence that holds people accountable for triggering harm through their actions even if they are not the ones directly responsible. Publishing someones personal information without their consent has lead to civil damages in the past and will continue to do so. What the Kliens did went beyond “sorry, can’t bake you a cake”, but given your posting history I wouldn’t expect you to acknowledge that. Regardless of your opinion there have been thousands of cases of people claiming emotion damages and distress from lesser incidents than this and receiving thousand and sometimes millions of dollars for it. What you think someone should not suffer distress from is immaterial, the judge didn’t agree, nor have thousands of other judges on similar matters over the last several decades of judicial history.

          • Peter Wde

            Oh, I know all the facts of the case, and I reiterate, one of the lesbian couple is either damaged goods and should get professional medical help or is a liar.
            I would certainly be all ears on a case where someone received “millions of dollars” for an incident of less serious import that “no cake for you”.

            But we’ll just have to see what the appeal decision yields.

          • Nexus1

            So those 4 young men at the Woolworths lunch counter were just denied a sandwich? I have seen workers comp cases where people received hundreds of thousands of dollars in benefits over years for being yelled at on the job and one case where a woman overheard an argument and fight/assault and was emotionally damaged to the point where she could no longer work. It seemed she was rather fragile. Even if we feel that she was weak, she still did suffer the damage. It doesn’t mater if she was ‘damaged goods’ as you put it, if the action caused the harm it doesn’t matter if the person was fragile beforehand. There are plenty of fragile and sensitive people in this world, that doesn’t preclude them from being awarded damages if a judge sees fit to do so.

            Yes we will. But I don’t think the logic of ‘toughen up buttercup’ will be used to reduce the damages though.

          • Peter Wde

            Years of being yelled at vs. “sorry I cant bake you a cake”…mmmmmm

            Fragile indeed and only hundreds of thousands of dollars will make me all better…or a liar.

            Indeed we will see, will be watching out for appeal decision.

          • Nexus1

            I didn’t say it was years, quite often it’s just an incident or two. Plus by your logic the woman that overheard the assault was weak and didn’t deserve her compensation as well. The majority of these people aren’t liars, they are genuinely injured and damaged, the fact that you don’t want to believe that doesn’t stop it from being true. The couple in this incident were not treated as politely as “sorry I
            can’t back you a cake” I doubt there would have even been a complaint if
            they had been treated even that civilly. You actually contradict yourself because you both call them weak and liars, they can’t be both. If they are weak, but still aggrieved and injured then they have a right to their compensation regardless of your opinion on the matter. If they are liars it will be found out in the end. Compensation doesn’t ‘make things all better’ as you put it, most times it can’t, but it can help the injured party get by or to maintain their home and pay expenses. Not all people who receive compensatory damages are moochers or liars, you impugn them when you make blanket statements based on your opinion of this particular couple.

            Good to know. May justice be served in the end.

          • Peter Wde

            I didn’t call them weak it’s either psychologically damaged and needs help or pathological liar. My guess would be the latter since presumably the former state would have been in evidence prior to the cake episode (maybe such evidence will be advanced at the appeal).
            And I never made the claim that all claims for damages are made my moochers. I do, however, stand by my claim that no sane or honest individual can claim the effects made by this pair for being refused a cake. The penalty assessed is also outrageous, I would asses $100.00, max.
            But we will just have to wait for the outcome of the appeal.

          • Peter Wde

            Oh and I forgot to add, if you are emotionally tramatized to the point of incapacitation by merely overhearing an argument and fight/assault then you are indeed a very weak individual and should seek counseling…at your own expense of course.

          • uhhuhh

            He look, it’s the little Christianist troll who had to get a new Disqus account.

          • Peter Wde

            Hi there!

          • NZArtist

            “Sorry, cant bake you a cake because of who you are and what my invisible friend says about that.”
            If your argument is strong you shouldn’t need to lie to support it.

          • Peter Wde

            No lie, telling someone you can’t bake them a cake for personal reasons does not trigger major episodes of psychological distress and a bunch of other neurotic symptoms in sane individuals.

          • NZArtist

            Keep going. You’re an asset to the forum. I love what you bring to this place. People like you do more than one hundred of me could ever hope to achieve.
            Here, have another twenty feet of rope.

          • Peter Wde

            Why thank you, it’s always nice to know you’re appreciated and I certainly always aim to please!

          • gaymex

            Peter, have you ever entertained the notion of STFU?

          • Peter Wde

            never

      • Homo Erectus

        Good. then the lawyers will get the remainder. Usually, you can’t appeal unless you post a supersedeas bond.

        • Peter Wde

          You’re right the lawyers will get paid unless they’re working pro-bono, however, I think the Kleins legal costs are being covered by others.

  • Wait till taxes come around, that will seiously dent that windfall.

    Plus I hope they’ll give to charity.

    But you know what? I’ts not my business what they do with their money.

    • uhhuhh

      Charity???? LOL!!!!

      Have you seen that loser of a husband?

  • Ian

    Oh good, then they have enough for compensatory and punitive damages, plus court costs….ahem….*yoink*

    • leastyebejudged

      Not after taxes, lol.

  • ClevelandJim

    stupid, gullible christers

  • dcurlee

    Just disgusting the stupidity of people

    • Homo Erectus

      At least the stupid people won’t be able to send it to NOM.

  • Michael

    Welcome to the 2015 “Christian” community. Sin pays off big time! The big loser here is Jesus (Matthew 7:12).

    • NZArtist

      Jesus is making megabux outta modern christianity. Probably more than Bilbo, Luke Skywalker, Iron man, and all those other fictional characters.
      What’s very cool is that these cake-martyrs are being lauded and held up as shining examples of christians. It’s fantastic such arseholism has become the definition of christianity. More power to religious nutcases like this being held to the light to show how morally bankrupt it is to have your actions dictated by an invisible friend.

      • Schlukitz

        Almost a half million bucks raked in, tax free, and yet the haters like Tony Perkins, et al, will continue to play the martyr game by saying that Sweet Cakes, Cottonelle and their iike are being put out of business, are at risk of losing their homes and being ruined financially.

        Not once, despite crying to the high heavens about being victims, has any of these hypocrites mentioned the financial windfalls that the “victims” had dropped into their laps, one after the other.

        Hatred and homophobia, like crime, pays apparently.

        • NZArtist

          In the short-term it pays. The long-term isn’t going to be kind to these people.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Well now, Martyrdom seems to pay rather well…..until the IRS comes to call 🙂

    • danolgb

      Except most of that money is classified as gifts, so it’s not even taxable.

  • Kissmagrits

    Christianists who still think crowdfunding is going to bail them out of civil rights beefs are two years late applying for it. I think it’s safe to assume that compassion fatigue has already set in and will only get worse.

    Heretofore, funding donations have been spurred by the old reliable “a stick in the eye” for “them goddam queers” – but, that won’t work much longer. And there’s still the seventeen feckless GOP wannabees in the clown car who will work at ever higher levels of stupid as the silly season slouches toward a lurching conclusion in November 2016.

    Will the outcome be a theocracy? – -No. – – Continuing chaos? Definitely! Progress? Only if we pay attention and keep those lawsuits coming. So much to be done – and as for the Kleins? Fuck ’em. Let ’em eat cake!

    • People4Humanity

      “Let ’em eat cake!”
      {This is not a food group.}

  • Ben in Oakland

    Well, well well!
    Melissa came to do good, and she did very well indeed.

  • uhhuhh

    Yeeee-haw! That loser husband ain’t ne’er goin haf’ tuh werk agin!

    • Talisman

      Leaves him more time for road tripsrest area bathrooms.

      • KQCA

        Yea, was thinkin’ along those lines too. There’s something more than bread bakin’ in that baker’s oven. We’ve seen it too many times, when the wife plays along as a deterrent from facing the secret of what’s going on in their marriage. Or more accurately, what is NOT going on in their marriage.

      • BudClark

        Hmmm … great minds …

  • Phil in Colorado

    Honestly, I don’t give a damn about how much money they rake in. The law is still there and still intact. The state of Oregon still says that you cannot deny gays or lesbians service in the areas of public accomodation. Time will enforce this law into a routine and it will become the norm.

  • KentDean

    Well … so much for that “Lay up not for yourselves treasures on earth …” thingy.

  • NZArtist

    Karma would be the judge saying:
    “I understand you’ve made considerable money through the prior judgement. I also understand you’ve been getting publicity for your actions. Both of the above have contributed to increased emotional distress for the parties you wronged. I therefore increase the punitive damages against you to $500,000 and suggest you shut the hell up.”

  • leastyebejudged

    Jesus !

  • gaymex

    Why waste time and money on buying a lottery ticket?

  • Mark

    They still gotta pay the fine…and not a dime of that money is mine. So, I’ll just hope they run on down to city hall, plunk their funds on the counter – and fade right back into oblivion. They can grift all they want from those stupid xtians – but they’re not gonna suck up anymore of my time.

  • Homo Erectus

    That’s a lotta dough.

  • Chrissy

    Awesome — they should pay their fine — all the attorneys fees (cause you know Liberty Counsel doesn’t work for free) and shut up. The good news is that money doesn’t go into FRC, NOM, or any similar organizations coffers.

  • Gerry Fisher

    This Discrimination is Profitable Through Crowd Funding thing is so despicable. [grumble, grumble, grumble]

    • NZArtist

      Don’t despair. We’re witnessing the death throes of a badly wounded, dangerous animal.
      Take a look around the world and see how we’re winning equality, hearts and minds. This is a blip. It’s a hateful, but fortunately transient, speedbump on the road to equality.
      History and time will really be very unkind to these christian fuck-warts.

      • KQCA

        Your comment got me all warm inside. We need these reminders. Thanks. 🙂 ((NZArtist))

  • Max_1

    Watch for the GoFundMe account to pay the taxes…

    • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

      No taxes are due on this money. It’s all tax free. Same goes for the pizza bigots and their 800k. Tax free windfall.

  • KQCA

    Is this what “persecution of Christians” they’ve been predicting looks like? DAMN…WTH are they complaining about? Bring me some o’ that!

  • teedofftaxpayer

    Surprise? Well by giving them the money it’s less money to fight us with. Maybe gay person ought come out against the gays and make some money and donate to one of the gay foundations. That would teach them.

  • BudClark

    Dude has SERIOUS Ghey Face; she’s a lactating bovine.

  • The only good thing is that this will spiral out of control as every cynic who wants to win the conservative casino lottery lines up to scream about religious freedom and get themselves a GoFundMe and some facetime.

    They’ll sometimes hit the jackpot but they’ll lose the legal and political war and make the ’cause’ look ridiculous in the meantime.

  • Remember, this is money that would have been donated to Scott Walker, or NOM, or a functioning anti-gay political entity of some kind.

    Now it’s gonna get spent on dune buggies and pedicures.

  • Eric in Oakland

    This really shows the priorities of the Christian Right. There are money drives for poor children with cancer that fail to even reach 10% of what is needed. But boatloads of money can be raised to support denying service to homos. So much for helping the poor and sick, defending the lives of children, and providing hospitality to strangers as the Bible teaches.

  • Halloween_Jack

    welp, looks like “anti-gay for pay” is a thing now.