TRIAL VIDEO: Ex-Gay JONAH Witness Explains How Naked Dance Parties With Men Totally Made Him Straight

Via the SPLC:

This is a condensed version of a sworn video deposition presented at a June 2015 trial in New Jersey: Ferguson v. JONAH. Conversion therapy provider JONAH offered Hoffman as a “success story” witness claiming that conversion therapy works to change sexual orientation from gay to straight. A jury unanimously decided that JONAH is liable for consumer fraud for misrepresentations including that its program was effective in changing sexual orientation from gay to straight.

You have GOT to watch this. “It’s literally just a fun ‘boy’ atmosphere where men are just having a lot of fun together experiencing their wild side. By the time the ‘wild party’ comes along everybody just kind of joins the fun unclothed. After the ‘wild party’ they are led to the showers.”

(Via Equality Case Files)

  • bkmn

    He is a success, every weekend at the rest stop on I-95.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Oh Yeah! He’s totally straight. I’m convinced! NOT!

    • NedFlaherty

      He admits he’s not straight in the last frame of the video, even after 7 years wasted at JONAH.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        I didn’t make it to the end. After 3 minutes of insanity I had to turn it off.

      • Eric in Oakland

        Well, if he got to attend naked dance parties with lots of cute guys it wasn’t totally a waste of time…

  • BearEyes

    I can still hear the jury laughing.

    • They, remarkably, remained deadpan through most of the trial. The rest of us were having a very difficult time not snickering and eye-rolling through hours of this kind of testimony.

      • GunnaHurt

        I would have been thrown off the jury if I had to maintain a straight face through “they blindfold us and get us naked and cover us with baby powder and rub us and then we go dance naked and have a naked food fight and then naked group showers and then we go snuggle in bed and go hunting for Frogs and then there’s a BEAUTIFUL woman and now I’m CURED!!!. I would have totally lost it.

        • NedFlaherty

          This witness never actually dares to claim he’s cured at all.

          Skip to 8:21, and watch the last text line of the vicdeo:

          “Hoffman began conversion therapy with JONAH in 2007, but admits to remaining sexually attracted to men.”

          ADMITS TO.
          REMAINING.
          SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO MEN.

          And this was a witness for JONAH. No wonder they lost.

      • So, all that “fun music!” Did it turn out to be showtunes?

      • BearEyes

        Kudos to the jury then.

    • Soren456

      How long did it take the jury to deliberate this? Five minutes?

  • Funbud

    Good God! Talk about “Phone call for MARY in the lobby! Phone call for MARY!”

    No Sirreee, nothing GAY going on here! No Sirree! Nothing QUEER to see here.

    These people are pathetically deluded.

  • B Snow

    “By the time the ‘wild party’ comes along everybody just kind of joins the fun unclothed. After the ‘wild party’ they are led to the showers.”

    I’ll be in my bunk.

    • StSean

      i flooded my basement.

      • RoFaWh

        Really? Special diet or something?

        • StSean

          jelqing.

  • GarySFBCN

    Reminds me of friend James Dobson’s advice:

    “…the boy’s father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son’s maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger. “

  • JT

    Prescription: Swallow at least once a day for the rest of your life and you will be cured of homosexuality.

    • Ed Burrow

      Well, if ever there was a cure all….

  • Circle Thomas

    Maybe he thought he was going to a JONAH meeting, but accidentally ended up at a Bear in the Woods party instead?

  • David F.

    The wonderful line from the first episode of Will & Grace – “Dead people know you’re gay!”

    • Anastasia Beaverhousen

      Ah cripes, honey, let me give it to you straight, these guys are big, flaming, feather-wearing, man-kissing, disco-dancing… Vermont-living, Christina Aguilera-loving, Mykonos-going… Honey, take it on home…..
      They’re queer dear.

      • Gaiboi66

        Just change Christina Aguilera to Lady Gaga and you’d have it just about right!

  • olandp

    I knew it! This is just an orgy. I should have gone.

    Naked and fun music, really fun!

    • Herald

      Sounds like an orgy that’s all foreplay. It’s all very, very creepy.

      • sequel

        You know how to make it less creepy? Get blindfolded every time a new naked game starts or ends.

      • vorpal

        Probably with lots and lots of crying.
        And using their own tears for lube.

    • D. J.

      Depends on the admission price. I think they were charging waaayy too much.

      • Gustav2

        any White Party is cheaper.

    • Corey

      “They might touch themselves, sure, because they are that feeling masculine energy”

      Circle jerk

  • John

    Hold the phone! Hold the phone! There’s cake? THERE’S CAKE? We have made a mistake: JONAH needs to be resurrected.

    • PLAINTOM

      lol

    • Dan

      You make a point. I do love cake.

      • Soren456

        I’ve never thrown cake at naked guys, but I could learn.

      • noni

        preferably made by forcing a “christian” to make it for me. It’s more delicious.

    • RoFaWh

      A recipe from Sunset Magazine about 40 years ago to help solve the difficult problem of cake hunger. It’s very good, and the old-fashioned flavoring with mace and brandy is a welcome change from the over-used lemon.

      Old-fashioned Poundcake

      Preheat oven to 325F

      Grease and flour a 10-inch tube pan, a 12-cup fluted tube cake pan, or two 5 by 9-inch loaf pans.

      2 cups butter, softened
      2 cups sugar
      9 eggs, separated
      1½ tsp vanilla extract
      3 tbsp brandy (or ¼ tsp brandy extract)
      4 cups sifted cake flour
      or 3½ cups sifted all purpose flour
      1 tsp ground mace or nutmeg
      ½ tsp cream of tartar
      ½ tsp salt

      Beat the butter and 1½ cups of the sugar together until very creamy and fluffy, about 5 minutes on medium speed of an electric mixer. Add egg yolks, one at a time, beating after each addition; beat in vanilla and brandy until blended.

      Sift flour before measuring, then sift with the mace, cream of tartar, and salt; gradually add to the creamy mixture, beating thoroughly until blended.

      In a large bowl, beat the egg whites until frothy. Begin adding remaining ½ cup of sugar 2 tablespoons at a time, beating after each addition; continue beating until stiff, glossy peaks form. Carefully fold a quarter of the batter at a time into whites until blended.

      Turn batter into greased and floured pan(s). Bake in 325F oven until a long pick inserted in center comes out clean, about 1 hour for loaf pans or about 1 hour and 15 minutes for tube pans. Makes about 25 servings.

      • olandp

        Is that your recipe or one you found on the internet? I start with the sour cream pound cake recipe and then add my own tweaks (I’ll never tell, but I do use real Mexican vanilla) not quite as much work, but delicious! I’ve never had any complaints…

        • RoFaWh

          To quote myself “A recipe from Sunset Magazine about 40 years ago”

          The internet has only been widely accessible for twenty years.

          The important thing for would-be cake makers to note is that I’ve made this recipe any number of times. It’s excellent.

          The only thing I don’t like about it is the number of bowls you have to dirty: one for the egg yolks etc, one for the dry ingredients, and one for the whites. And in the process, you dirty two sets of beaters so as not to get yolk mixed into the white, which would make the whites hard to work up into proper froth.

          • olandp

            I don’t see the Sunset Magazine line anywhere in your post, I make rhubarb pie from a recipe in the Good Housekeeping Cookbook my mother had in Home-EC copyright 1946.

          • agcons

            It’s in the first line, sweetie. Did you have a wee bit of an accident with your mascara and false eyelashes this morning? 😀

          • olandp

            I got all kinds of computer gobbledy gook yesterday at the beginning of your post, but it is there now.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    And this is supposed to turn gay men straight? Sounds more like a great way to get laid. It also sounds like the leaders were using these boys/men for their own perverse pleasure.

    • bkmn

      And making money doing so, ie. whores.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Well, yeah, that too. It’s freaking ridiculous.Let’s look at it from the other side, that of turning someone straight into someone gay. If I was going to party with a bunch of hot naked men in an effort to make me gay, just how would that work? I’d be in the woods having fun and it wouldn’t matter how many hot women they paraded in front of me. I’d still be straight and interested in the naked men.

        The poor men that were subjected to this bullshit were tortured if you think about it. They were surrounded by other gay men, all of them were naked and encouraged to touch, but not in a sexual way. That isn’t how biology works. Or the sex drive.

        • Robincho

          “That isn’t how it works. That isn’t how ANY of this works…”

        • RoFaWh

          ITYM “…disinterested in the naked men.”

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            No, I’m a straight woman. I’m quite interested in naked men. You just can’t change your orientation. You could lie about it or suppress it, but what you like is what you like.

            Now, if every man disappeared tomorrow, I’d adapt, LOL.

          • RoFaWh

            Shows you just how much attention I pay.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            LOL, no worries!

          • NedFlaherty

            No; “disinterested” is correct, because Wynter Marie Starr is a female and she’s describing how conversion therapy would totally fail to make her a lesbian.

    • Soren456

      Cameras behind the vent grilles.

      • CanuckDon

        Who needs to hide the cameras? They’ve got them blindfolded!

      • buddyboy

        I got a boner listening to this video. If I were 14 years old when I heard this, I’d have jacked off. It’s funny how clueless people can be.

    • bambinoitaliano

      An unintentional White Party.

      • Drew2U

        Sounds more like “Flaming Man.”

        • bambinoitaliano

          Hallelujah it’s Flaming man…….

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      I want to hear from the ones that Fled and ran
      yelling : ” You weren’t suppose to make me Gay- ER !

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Thanks for the laugh. It was surely needed today. Wish I could up vote you a couple of hundred times.

        • Uncle Sal

          Excuse me, sir. . . where do I sign up for the naked woods dance party?

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            I’d like to sign up too. My husband may not be happy, but looking is okay. I wonder how much land these people had that they could hold naked parties in the open?

          • BobSF_94117

            You should assure your hubby you’ll be perfectly safe…

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Yes, if the naked men were gay. But not if they were straight.

          • Good Shot Green

            This is the time of of year for it. I’d rather dance naked in the woods than in a club or on a beach.

    • David Ehrenstein

      Well DUH!
      The Blindfolds are the biggest “tell”

    • vorpal

      I feel twice as gay AFTER watching this deposition.
      What the fuck is wrong with these people?!?!

      Wait… I KNOW what is wrong with them: they are convinced that their homosexuality is a defect due to something being broken in them when the truth of the matter is that they just need to get the fuck over it and realize that their homosexuality is simply factual.

      I love to tell people who think that homosexuality is a choice: “I never had any choice in the matter, but if I did, I would absolutely choose homosexuality. In fact, I highly recommend it!”

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Homosexuality is no more a “choice” than heterosexuality. It just is.

        • vorpal

          Of course, YOU know that and I know that, but these self-hating gay men are perverted into believing that heterosexuality is the default setting and homosexuality occurs only when a human is deeply broken.

          So fucking sad.

          I started to realize I was gay at four, knew it conclusively by seven, and have never had an issue with it, apart from the fear and isolation I felt in high school from being closeted.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Well, if there is a default setting, I’d say it was bisexuality. I think it’s the culture they grow up in that makes them self hating. It’s sad once they grow up and are able to get some education if they still feel the same way.

            ANd, it pisses me off that any kid feels fear and/or isolation because of their orientation.

          • vorpal

            I am completely inclined to agree. I mean, our closest genetic relatives, the bonobos, are fully bisexual and actually – IIRC – engage in same-sex behaviour more often than opposite-sex behaviour. It’s also speculated to be the reason that, unlike chimpanzees, they’re very peaceful animals: sex is used as a means of bonding and conflict resolution. (“Oh, did I upset you? Well, let’s see how mad you can still be at me after I give you a nice sloppy blowjob!”)

            I am so thankful how far we’ve come as a society in such a short period of time. If, when I was a kid, we had the portrayals of gay people and couples that are available now, I would have felt SO much better.

            We still have a long way to go, but the progress we’ve made so quickly is truly amazing and a testament to how fucking awesome we LGBT people and our supporters are!

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Yes, the progress over the last decade has been amazing. There is still so much more to go, but we’ll get there. There is no going backwards. We do have to watch carefully because the extremists in our country are not doing to allow any more progress without a hell of a fight.

            I quite like bonobos. They are cute and as you said, very peaceful. It’s very unfortunate that they are in so much trouble.

          • vorpal

            My (sexually bisexual, but almost exclusively homoromantic) husband studied primatology / evolutionary biology in university, and he particularly loved bonobos. They are sweet and gentle animals. I wish humans were LESS like chimpanzees in personality and more like bonobos: we would probably be better off, at least now. There is a lot for us to feel some shame about as a species, especially when you read about how humans almost certainly (if my understanding is correct) caused mass extinctions, especially with regards to other early primates that were probably even more intelligent than we are.

            Fortunately, we have made a lot of progress in many regards, but as a species, the amount of suffering that certain members of our group have caused each other is truly shocking.

            Thank goodness that – at least in the west – religion is on the decline. It has been the justification for so many atrocities that it can’t die fast enough for my tastes. If we are to evolve culturally and technologically to survive, it must be extinguished or altered.

            The religious conservatives are bringing about their own downfall and looking for a scapegoat and a rally point based on hatred, over and over again, and it is becoming less and less acceptable.

            Still, when I think of the fact that less than 100 years ago, women and racial minority groups were unable to vote, I don’t feel very optimistic for humans as a whole. It is utterly amazing that it took that long for us to better ourselves, and I suspect that it may be too late for us.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            My main field of study has been anthropology, which includes physical anthro, which means apes and earlier hominids. (My main focus has been cultural, however)

            I don’t know if you’ve seen the recent news, but we are now right smack at the start of a new massive extinction. Mammals are not going to fare well. The fact is, we are going to have to put aside the things that separate us and learn to work together in order to live. Extinction level events don’t give a crap about such social contrasts such as religion. Those that are straight will die just the same as those that are gay. Or asexual. Or bisexual.

            There is increasing evidence that Neanderthals were wiped out by a combination of things, which include gene swamping, murder, exposure to disease, appropriation of hunting grounds, and intermarriage. They are the only other species that approached our level of intelligence. (That we are currently aware of)

            I’m not really sure we’d have come this far without a certain amount of aggression, but humans, like chimps take it too far and it’s a double edged sword.

            If not for the dark ages, due to religion, many of our problems may have already been solved. We lost a good 300 years of advancement. Your husband has good taste. If you like primates it’s impossible to dislike bonobos. Here’s an interesting video he may enjoy.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2lSZPTa3ho

          • Good Shot Green

            Yeah, I was really young too. I remember sometime in the early ’80s watching a Sixers game with my mother and saying that the blond, feather-haired player was handsome and Mom saying something like, hush! You’re not supposed to think that! I couldn’t have been more than 9 years old.

            So between the ages of 9 and 19 I was closeted, until I couldn’t take it anymore. The closet is psychologically damaging, which is why we all must be out and about. I don’t want kids to be fucked up in the head like I was for ten years.

            I took solace in UHF reruns with Jack Tripper, who only pretended to be gay but was played by a straight man with, looking back later, enormous empathy and kindness. This is why John Ritter’s passing remains the one celebrity death that felt like a gut punch. (On an 11th of September on top of it all.)

          • vorpal

            Ahhh… yeah. My mom caught a group of me and my guy friends naked in the woods behind the house when I was very young (six? seven?), orchestrated by me (which I don’t think she knew) and engaged in sexual curiosity. She was not impressed and the next day, she read my slightly younger brother and I a book about “the way things are supposed to be” (a man and woman falling in love, marrying, and then having sex and kids), and I remember thinking to myself, “The way I feel is something that I have to hide.”

            It took me 10 whole years after that to find someone I trusted enough to tell that I was gay, and that 10 years was a nightmare of sadness, confusion, deep loneliness, depression anxiety, suicidal urges, and extremely angsty poetry.

            No kid EVER should have to go through that, and I probably had it much easier than most.

            Life is cruel to those who don’t find it easy or natural to conform to societal expectations.

          • Good Shot Green

            I recall being in the woods with an older boy, Bryan, when we came upon a used condom, which he identified as a rubber and I was like, a rubber what?

            But, yeah, I encourage my het friends with kids to allow their children to be who they are. To not do that will produce fucked-up weirdos like myself.

        • Robincho

          “Heterosexuality is not normal. It’s just common.” — Dorothy Parker

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            What a great quote!

      • Good Shot Green

        Yes! Being gay is the best! I’m not proud — it’s not an accomplishment — but I love love love being a homosexual male. So much fun. A stone gas, man!

        Sex with men is the best kind of sex, if you ask me.

        • vorpal

          I have only ever had sex with guys, but YES! I talk to my heterosexual friends, who are constantly trying their best to work with gender differences and expectations, and many of them are jealous of gay people and how much easier it can be to NOT have to navigate those profound differences.

          I can’t imagine being heterosexual. What a chore! Same-sex sex is fucking HOT and fun, and at least for my hubby and I, having been through what we’ve gone through – i.e. having to be okay with rejecting cultural traditions and norms due to not fitting them – has made us more honest, open, and understanding about our thoughts and feelings.

          I’m not proud, per se, of finding other guys hot, but I’m PROUD of who I am and the amazing strength and solidarity that gay people have had to endure struggling against a society bombarding us with negative messages about ourselves. We should be proud of what we’ve managed to overcome and what we’ve accomplished! We are fucking AWESOME!

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Your last sentence is SO DEAN ON !
            🙂

    • Orly

      That’s what it sounded like to me too – that this was just a stealth sexual adventure for the “counselors”.

      People paid money for this shit?

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Right? I can’t imagine anyone sending their child to this nonsense.

      • BobSF_94117

        Imagine you’re a very unhappy gay man, racked with guilt and shame. For a mere few hundred bucks, you can spend a week naked with a bunch of other men, running around playing and dancing and engaging in a lot of profoundly emotional interaction. Even without sex — even with the express purpose of teaching you not to want sex — it has to be deeply rewarding in many ways.

    • grada3784

      Maybe a prelude to an orgy?

    • Goodboy

      He says they danced around with a silky cloth to mimic the idea being with women. Wtf?

      It all comes down to what do you jerk off to? That stuff that make Jesus weep and all. If you can open up a playboy and get off to it that then congrads. Your not gay. However, if the thought of a hot man is the only thing that gets your rocks off then your still gay.

      These fucking religious types I mean ex-gays have got the lying to yourself and just plain delusional down to a science.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        I laughed at that part as well. I fully expected him to start talking about masturbating with it.

        Personally, I think sex, sexuality, and love may be a bit more complicated. After all, for straight women that watch porn, their number one choice is lesbian porn, followed by gay porn. And, it is far from uncommon for those men that identify as straight to have experimented with other boys during their teen years.

        Maybe it’s more about who you fall in love with.

        I don’t like the damage that ex gay spokesmen do. But, for those that identify as ex gay, I feel nothing but pity. Every person deserves to find a companion in life. One that stirs their deepest love and passion, How can you find that if you are lying about who you really want to walk through life with?

    • neonzx

      Where can I sign up???

    • PhilDavisNYC

      I want to see the porn version of this.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        I wouldn’t mind seeing it either.

    • Six Pins Delores

      Listening to this obviously troubled young guy describe his experience made me wish to express consequences for the “archetype fathers” that I can’t state here due to Joes rules.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        The thing is, that when he was describing the archetypical father, I knew what the inventor of this bullshit was going for. It became clear however, that he didn’t really understand the concept behind archetypes and appropriated it for his or her own use in order to “sound” like they could change the sexuality of theses kids. The whole rebirthing thing is also troublesome.

        What they did was take a whole bunch of ideas and concepts from any number of disciplines and cobble them together to rip people off. They had to have begun with the idea that (or played into the idea) that gay boys were somehow “turned” gay in childhood, either by an overbearing mother, an absent father, or an assault.

        Hopefully some or most of these young men have been able to move on and have accepted that they are gay. I also hope for their sake their families have also accepted that fact.

  • The above is an excerpt of the video testimony presented at trial. Here’s the transcript for the full testimony. http://bit.ly/1JUOwXy

    • sequel

      If the rest is just half as creepy as this, I won’t be able to stomach it.

    • B Snow

      I’m just on page 3 and I feel SO SORRY for this guy. Sounds like his family completely messed him up from the time he was a teenager. Ugh.

    • 2amor

      Thank you. However, there is no way I could read through it. The whole thing turns my stomach… Jail is to good for this bunch of grifters.

    • Tom

      As glad as I am that SPLC won and as ridiculous as this testimony is, it does come off as unfair and a bit shady to only release selected tidbits of testimony stitched together. SPLC may call it “condensed,” but it’s it’s not a condensed version of the whole depo, just a compilation of their selections. It even cuts off in the middle of what seems to be a key moment. I think SPLC should release the entire thing and let people judge for themselves.. Keep the excerpts, but also make the whole video available.

      • First, the deposition video itself is under a protective order and no part of it could be made public until a portion of it was played in court. Then, the plaintiffs clarified with the judge that any portion that had been played in open court was, in fact, no longer under the protective order – a clarification that was necessary before SPLC could release the transcript of the excerpt to me. Any part not played in court remains under the protective order.

        Second, the portion of the deposition that was played in court (and thus available publicly) ran over an hour; the transcript for that portion is available here if you’re wondering what was left out: http://bit.ly/1JUOwXy

        Third, the entire question of how these videos wound up substituting for live testimony in the case is enmeshed in the battles over discovery. There’s an explanatory note on the transcript page I linked in the previous paragraph.

  • JT

    “He’s a fun dad who comes into the room and says ‘Let’s have fun, boys.'”

    “Yes, sometimes they touch themselves.”

    So the solution to homosexuality is Duggarite sex between boys and dad.

    It’s incredible that any of the subjects bought this shit.

  • Daniel

    3:03 “butt mud” ?!!

    • Dan

      You know….from when you drag your ass through the mud around a camp fire with all the other naked boys.

      Like all boys do.

      • Daniel

        Oh. Right! I mean, right, I knew that! I was just…um…testing to see if you knew that!

        • Dan

          Don’t worry. I didn’t do that either. Probably why I’m so fond of dick and HGTV.

          • Daniel

            Okeh, yeah, I can see how that would happen, because we didn’t go through the described necessary formative stages, yeah. So! Anyone for a round of cake and butt mud, then?

        • People4Humanity

          OK, you two. Off to the showers!

          • Daniel

            »grabs soap, drops it«

            »drops it again«

    • Steverino

      Santorum?

  • sequel

    Soooooo creepy. If Maggie had to include this video in every article she wrote about the loss of religious freedom the JONAH case brought, not a single fundy would support her cause.

    • D. J.

      Sounds like a plan to me…. Oh, wait. She always deletes comments.

  • Ex-gay.

    LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL (Repeat 5000 times).

    Edited because I was on my phone earlier:

    Blindfolding
    Adult/Baby play
    Diaper play
    Fun music!
    Food play
    More Adult/Baby play
    Fun music!
    Blindfolding
    Adolescent roleplay
    Skinny dipping
    Blindfolding
    Tapping into feminine energy
    Beautiful music
    Dance of the Seven Veils
    Blindfolding
    Naked in the woods
    Tasting fruits in the woods
    Blindfolding
    Sacred whore

    Sweet Baby Cthulu! That’s just way too much work and unfulfilled kink to try to be someone you’re not. Give it up and go suck a cock!

    • DaddyRay

      Sounds like one of my typical weekends when I was a lad

      • Cuberly

        Dance of the Seven Veils?

        Ok, this I GOTTA see. 😉

    • sequel

      “Sacred whore” – you totally hit the nail on the head with that description. The comments didn’t give enough attention to that part.

  • GunnaHurt

    Wait… dancing naked, flinging around food, water slides, acting crazy… that’s Lazy Bear. It also ends with sex.

  • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

    I’m… actually… I want to laugh at this and find it funny, but it’s so deeply disturbing, the terrifying vulnerability forced upon these saps, this is like something by Tim and Eric, but not funny, just terribly, terribly wrong. I’ve never been molested or raped or anything, but it’s somehow triggering visceral feelings of fear and disgust in me.

    • David

      This was my exact reaction. It’s so ridiculous, but all I can think of is what must have been done to these men to make them believe that there’s something wrong with them, and even more that this would fix it. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t just so fucking sad.

    • Palmer

      Tim & Eric???????

      They’re very gay supportive. They’d never do anything as ridiculous as this!

      By the way…

      “This is what I do, I sit on you, sit on you, sit on you…”

      • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

        They’re certainly supportive of LGBT people, but their work and rhetoric does often explore super creepy relationships between men and boys. Like the final episode of the Bedtime Stories: Baby Man, or the Jeffrey scene from the Billion Dollar Movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70atgKUKaeY

        • Palmer

          Creepy is a good word for T&E’s work.

          Now, I want you to look at my icon and think “Shhhrrrriiiiimmmmmm!”

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Was totally gonna skip this but followed Joe’s Suggestion.

    WOW and WTF !

    Rebirth ?? Should have totally Aborted !!!

  • pj

    i feel so sad for people like this deluded soul. so much energy and time and money for what. id like to fly but that isnt going to happen either. accept who you are….and be happy.

    • noni

      This is what religion does to people.

    • B Snow

      I’m reading through the transcript. He really does seem to think of homosexuality like alcoholism — it will always be with him, but if he works every day and fights it with all his strength, he can keep from falling off the wagon.

      His history is like other guys in the ex-gay movement — he used to be into porn, drugs, sex, and he didn’t want that anymore. And apparently he couldn’t stop that behavior without also stopping the same-sex attraction. Can anyone explain that leap in logic to me?

      Sad all around.

      • pj

        my feeling is that he never had any support, that his intro to the queer life was drugs and drinking and bad sex. thats what he thought being gay is.
        he made no effort to make connections and ease into it, to accept more than fight it. sometimes its a rough entry and the reaction is to say i dont want this. thats too bad. a caring, queer positive shrink could have helped him a lot. and a few friends. we all have our own path. thankfully with our new found acceptance and respect things might be different for people like him.

  • Bill T.

    Sounds like a lot of ball playing to me.

    • Ed Burrow

      Now that sounds delicious. Very delicious.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Hello Ed.

  • oikos

    Sounds completely heterosexual to me. I can’t imagine how it could have failed to work on gay men. “They might touch themselves.” oh my what will the baby jeebus think?

  • TheManicMechanic

    Okay, JONAH being a Jewish organization and that, anyone else see the irony in that phrase, “they are led to the showers?”

    • Outlaw Woman

      I caught that right away … somewhat ominous.

    • Queequeg

      I thought that as well. Pretty creepy.

    • Anastasia Beaverhousen

      I am laughing over having Trix for breakfast…

  • Dale Snyder

    That was the most disturbing video I’ve seen in a long time. The staff clearly uses these “customers” to fulfill their own repressed sexuality. This is nothing short of criminal activity.

    • He is now “staff” and is currently one of JONAH’s “life coaches” in Israel. Though he does admit that he doesn’t do naked one-on-one sessions, because of the liability issues.

      • Robincho

        Yeah, he’d be “liable” to get a raging boner…

        • Or, as the JONAH/PCC crowd refer to them, “groinal sensations.”

          • Menergy

            I get those a lot, too…..;)

          • Ben in Oakland

            They don’t have groin all sensations, they have been cured of that. These are groinal protrusions.

        • Menergy

          (snort)! LOLOL

      • People4Humanity

        I have said this before: Thank you for all your good and valuable work in behalf of the gay community, and society.

      • Six Pins Delores

        So the abused has become an abuser.

    • Cuberly

      That was my take. I can’t even snark on it. I’m pretty much aghast.

    • Orly

      The staff clearly uses these “customers” to fulfill their own repressed sexuality.

      Yes, my thoughts exactly.

  • jomicur

    If this son of a bitch is straight, I’m the Archduke Ferdinand.

    • sequel

      I’m pretty sure that was also a quote in the judge’s opinion.

      • jomicur

        LOL!

    • teeveedub

      “… and I am Marie of Rumania.”

      – Dorothy Parker

    • Todd20036

      Really? They started a war over you

      • jomicur

        And I’m worth it. 🙂

    • Ben in Oakland

      But you couldn’t be, because archdukeFerdinand was assassinated in 1913. And this guy is heterosexual.

      • NedFlaherty

        Nope. The last frame of the testimony is text which admits that, even after 7 years wasted at JONAH, he still likes guys.

        • Ben in Oakland

          Of course he does. If I wanted to get rid of my “unwanted sexual attractions”, the last thing I do is hang around with a bunch of naked guys my own age, laying down on mattresses and taking showers together.

      • jomicur

        You mean you don’t believe in resurrection? 😉

        • Ben in Oakland

          Well, I do. But only in the ” resurrection of the flesh” that you find in Boccaccio, which is a metaphor for sex.

          but this guy is dead only spiritually. And for that, there is not much of a cure, not as long as he is peddling Exgay trash

      • grada3784

        1914.
        Queen Marie was married to King Ferdinand. Archduke was married morganatically to Countess Sophie.

        • Ben in Oakland

          I thought it might be 1914, but I wasn’t sure and I was too lazy to look it up. The point however still holds.

    • David in Palm Springs

      Whatever you say, your highness 😜

    • NedFlaherty

      No, he’s not straight, and he doesn’t claim to be. Skip to 8:21, and watch the last text line of the video:

      “Hoffman began conversion therapy with JONAH in 2007, but admits to remaining sexually attracted to men.”

      ADMITS TO.
      REMAINING.
      SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO MEN.

      • jomicur

        He claims to be “ex-gay.” If that’s not straight, what is it? Any number of “ex-gay” figures admit they still have same-sex attractions but claim their “therapy has helped them overcome them, i.e. they won’t admit they’re gay anymore..

        • NedFlaherty

          For Mr. Hoffman, “ex-gay” apparently includes still being male-attracted. No, it makes no sense, but yes, that’s his story, and he’s sticking to it, by golly.

        • zhera

          Could they mean it the way ex-smokers are sometimes dying for a smoke?

          All though I’ve never heard of anyone quitting smoking by having some sort of nicotine binge party…

        • NedFlaherty

          In Hoffman’s mind, “ex-gay” means a gay man who (1) marries a woman and (2) lives as if he’s not gay (3) even though he is still gay.

          This just proves why “ex-gay” treatments should be universally outlawed.

    • People4Humanity

      Good evening, your Lordship.

  • PLAINTOM

    This should be required viewing for all church members, just in case someone in the congregation wants to start an ex-gay support group.

    • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

      Just posted it to my facebook page with that very statement.

  • RaygunsGoZap

    Made it halfway! Long enough to:

    Hear he is still totally gay

    Identify he’d be totally fuckable if he weren’t in need of help

    Be creeped out at this process

    Catch his mis-speak when he said the showers were to clean off – among others things – buttmud

  • Steverino

    (5:08) “The ‘anema?'” Enema? Plural of “animus,” “anima?” WTF?

    • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

      Anima? From Jungian psychology? As if any of the people who designed this curriculum ever cracked open a psych. book. Just cracked open their own disturbing fantasies

  • From plaintiffs’ attorney’s closing argument,

    “Our plaintiffs did not want to become the sort of straight guy that Jonathan Hoffman claims he is, who sleeps around, showers, cuddles, sleeps and acts out with their male friends. I don’t think anyone can say that is the definition of a straight man.”

    • Ben in Oakland

      You might even say that these are not the arguments serious people.

    • Now the first part of that there’s argle-bargle, jiggery-pokery, and pure applesauce all rolled up into one amazing pastry with a light dusting of baby powder.

  • delk

    Too fucking nelly to get into any of my naked dance parties.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxLR_VaWkMM

  • SelectFromWhere

    The lulz…oh, my sides!

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    Oh Mary! Gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay.

    I’ve seen picnic baskets full of parrots that were straighter.

  • delk

    Did sweet Melissa provide the cakes?

    • 2patricius2

      I’m sure she did. She made whip cream cakes that they could throw at each other while they were running around naked, getting in touch with their masculine energy before she walked into the room in her feminine attire making them all straight.

  • bambinoitaliano

    I nominate Jake Gyllenhaal for his role and all the reenactment of what’s taking place in that “therapy”.

    • sfprman

      He looks more like Marnie’s ex-boyfriend on Girls.

    • Joe in PA

      we know there will be nudity…yeah, I’m in!

    • Steven Leahy

      arf

  • leo77

    Sounds like a night at Zone DK. Except nobody ever walked out of Zone DK claiming be any less gay.

  • Stephen Rutledge

    Or as I call it: The 1970s.

  • 2patricius2

    Kinky. Never been at a party as wild as this. I’ve heard of the saying “party naked.” Amazing that the guys running these naked parties thought they could impress the court with this testimony.

    • noni

      Please powder my bottom.

  • Queequeg

    Funny but partying with other naked men would have the opposite effect on me.

  • Gold Jerry, GOLD!!!!

  • CanuckDon

    Speaking only from a DJ’s experience, most straight men do not care for “fun music”.

  • shellback

    Accident waiting to happen:
    Naked dancing + Fireworks

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      It will end in tears.

  • KQCA

    This is the most creepy interview I have ever seen in my life….and that’s saying somethin’, believe me. This beats the Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dalmer footage on candy-coating their creepiness.

  • Todd Allis

    I haven’t watched the video yet, but I love this story title.

  • EdmondWherever

    Okay, who’s turned on? Be honest.

    • Drew2U

      This sounds like the Best. Weekend. EVER.

      • EdmondWherever

        Right? I mean, a little frog catching, some dancing with a silk cloth…. sign me up! I’m sure I’ll find some spare time for the rest.

        • Joe in PA

          they had me at talcum powder.

          • Oh’behr

            They have me at motorcycle. Above and naked dancing.

    • Joe in PA

      I think I’m having a “groinal sensation”. In the worst way. Ahem.

    • Cuberly

      To be honest I feel horrified by how happy he sounds describing it and how it’s designed to kill his potential for happiness in being intimate, friendfull, and sexy with other gay men.

      • EdmondWherever

        Seriously, it was fairly psychotic. I don’t know if these people (JONAH) were just secretly getting off on watching, or if they absolutely had no fucking idea what the hell they were doing.

        • vorpal

          Both, I’d imagine.

        • Cuberly

          It’s bizarrely elaborate.

          In articles after the trial even Christopher Doyle said he found some of Jonah’s methods quite “different” compared to the bs he engages in.

          Beginning to think SPLC went after Jonah cuz it’s freakin low hanging fruit. It’s crazy nonsense and what a better way to illustrate it than with this type of testimony.

  • ETownCanuck

    Shit, if I had know these kinds of shenanigans were what ensued, I would have joined this organization years ago….If they shut ’em down, who is gonna host naked dance parties now? 🙁

    • noni

      Those I’ve talked to who have went through these “therapy” things say it really was a way to hook up with other gay guys.

      • ETownCanuck

        Oh I’m sure it was, It sounds like that’s ALL it was. How can he not hear himself spewing all of this nonsense and have an epiphany and think “Hey wait a minute, this is quackery, there is no science behind this, they just wanted to see me naked and fondle me”.

        • IamM

          Thinking that and saying it out loud where it could affect his income, are two very different things.

  • bambinoitaliano

    We got a new name for a party Conversion Therapy. Hey y’all I’m having a Conversion Therapy at my place this Saturday night at 8pm. Lubes,condoms and talcum powder are provided. Space is limited please email me for confirmation. RSVP will send out two hours before the event. Any last minute cancellation will not be invited for future event.

    • GunnaHurt

      I’m in

      • bambinoitaliano

        🙂

  • Arkansan

    Leave the woman at the end out of it and it sounds like the perfect coming out party.

    • sfprman

      But he noted that she was “well-dressed” which is a totally giveaway.

  • SLK in SF

    I don’t keep up with the porn world the way I used to, but I think someone should use this for a plot device if it hasn’t already been done.

  • KP

    Twisted beyond belief its really exploiting these gay guys’ fears and making money off them. BTW I think the Mormonboyz do the whole male ritual thing much, much better. Elder Kensington is my fave.

  • David4

    Boys getting naked and running around together all weekend? Sounds like a lot of soft core foreplay at a Gay Bathhouse. I’m sure the camp counselors got all the naked young boy candy they wanted. No hidden cameras on site? Now that could be interesting.

  • studd55

    Religion ruined his life.

    • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

      Yep. He’s hiding his light under a yarmulke.

  • Ben in Oakland

    So bunch of young men are running around naked together, doing things on mattresses, and taking showers. Sounds like gay summer camp to me

    I can see the sign now: “gentleman playing leapfrog are requested to complete their leaps.”

  • noni
  • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

    Sounds like a weekend at Jake Cruise’s house.

    • Harley

      Or Donald Burns house.

  • Mark

    Led to the showers where a circle jerk thus ensued.

  • kanehau

    All these ex-gay places should just rebrand as gay fun camps.

  • 2amor

    Having a five year old son, this made me cry!! How in the hell could ANY parent make a child go through this sort of thing? How could you hate or disapprove of a innocent child so much? I am astounded that people would be this afraid of a gay child!! And JONAH, how many fucking pedophiles do they employ? These people don’t need a judgment against them, they need to go to jail………

  • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

    Better get your money back dear.

    http://s5.postimg.org/xn3apbsvb/jonah.jpg

  • David in Palm Springs

    So eating Trix cereal makes you straight. Good to know.
    Oh, and the guy in video: 100% gay, which includes a Joe.My.God Guarantee™ of permanent homosexuality regardless of which cereal you happen to eat.

    • noni

      only if sugar coated like the bowling alley owner says out in Oregon.

    • NedFlaherty

      He admits he’s still gay in the last frame. Of his own testimony. On behalf of JONAH.
      OMFG

    • Cuberly

      Honey Comb makes you a lesbian.
      Lucky Charms makes you bi.
      Sugar Smacks makes you trans.

      Oh, and Captain Crunch with Crunch Berries makes you gay.

      Any questions? /s

      • Oh’behr

        Damn, another reason I didn’t get a toaster. I didn’t eat Captain Crunch with Crunch Berries when I was a kid. Dammit.

        • Cuberly

          Ha! All those tasty pink crunch berries. lol….

          Actually growing up my parents where very strict on how much sugar they’d let us eat. We hardly ever had sugared cereal.

          When I got to college it was like heaven, in the cafeteria, all the capt’n crunch w/ crunch berries I could ever want….lol….

  • Joe in PA

    fuck the “consumer fraud”, Jonah organizers should be in JAIL! And Magpie…smart as she is got behind this? (you should pardon the expression)

    • ETownCanuck

      Exactly, a lot of these “therapies” sound like thinly veiled sexual assaults.

  • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

    and then the men were led naked, and blindfolded, like into the woods, to like experience the Earth and then….

    http://i.giphy.com/l41lUuLRdNcUr1ZAI.gif

    • Menergy

      Bwuahahahah! That’s great!

    • KCMC

      ahhh

      • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

        I love her!

  • bkmn

    Radical Don’t-want-to-be-faeries?

  • BaddogLtd

    “Hello, is the JONAH offices?” http://i.imgur.com/AvpDhg2.gif

  • sequel

    Just a quick clarification? This guy was a witness for the defendants? Because in that case, the judge should have thrown the case out for an inadequate defence on the defence lawyer’s part. Any lawyer trying to defend JONAH would have prepped this guy about playing down the amount of nudity involved. Maybe the lawyer is also an ex-gay who thought that’s the type of thing straight guys do.

    • NONE of the defendants deny there was nudity. They NEVER denied that as part of their “therapy” they use nudity, including having clients strip down completely naked in one-on-one sessions when the ‘therapist’/life coach is the only other person in the room.

      Their claim is that this is all totally legit and part of effective therapy to help men overcome “ssa” (same sex attraction. Note: JONAH doesn’t concede that there’s any such thing as a gay person — per JONAH, all men are straight and develop “ssa” in response to developmental issues and/or traumas in their lives – things like sexual abuse or an overbearing mother/distant father. It’s totally quack ‘junk science’ stuff.

      One of the weirder elements of the trial, for me, was watching Chuck LiMandri act as their defense attorney. I can’t image that he found any of this exactly comfortable.

      • JustSayin

        Who is chuck limandri

        • http://www.consciencedefense.org/contents/en-us/d4_Page_4.html

          He teamed up with Maggie Gallagher to start the “Freedom of Conscious Defense Fund.” If there’s anything anti-gay going on in California, Chuck’s fingerprints are all over it.

          As much as he tried to portray this as a freedom of religion case, and all a big giant gay conspiracy out to crush the “mom and pop” non-profit that was just trying to help young men live by their conservative jewish values, I think even he was creeped out a little by what JONAH was doing.

    • JustSayin

      This is the played down version

    • Fyva Prold

      That’s what they call “hostile witness”

  • vorpal

    It is SO sad that these fools feel they have to WORK THEMSELVES up so hard to feel masculine and find women remotely attractive.

    Sexual attraction shouldn’t be work, and there is nothing masculine, IMO, or remotely sexy about these crybabies and their self-hatred.

  • Cuberly

    Um, uh…wha….um…

    http://i.imgur.com/TYChdEw.gif

  • Steven Leahy

    Only took me the first 5 words or so to figure her out.

    • NedFlaherty

      Or the last 4 words: “sexually attracted to men” which he admits to being, even after wasting 7 years at JONAH.

  • Harley

    Am I the only one that is a little disturbed about taking homosexual men naked and blindfolded into the “showers”? And this is a JEWISH group? Did they get their therapy guidance from Hitler? Is the cost of admission your gold fillings?

  • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

    I read something years ago about a man who went undercover into one of the events and wrote about all of the supercharged sexual tension and lots of man to man contact. The one I found most interesting was the “motorcycle technique” where he described sitting on the floor, fully clothed and being bear hugged from behind by another man. He describes the other man as having an erection. I must find that link.

    udated to add link:

    http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/undercover-gay-conversion-camp/

  • SammySeattle

    Oh, my. This is gayer than any gay party I’ve ever experienced!

  • BaddogLtd
    • KQCA

      Perfect. Fabulous. Absolutely.

    • Cuberly

      Exactly!

  • Richard Rush

    It sure sounds as if this program was designed to attract self-loathing gays looking for a really hot time without the associated guilt.

    • No coincidence that it was designed by a couple of these “ex-gays” who run the programs.

  • JDM

    “And is baby powder part of that?” “Yes.”

    AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    • vorpal

      I’m willing to be during all that naked man-on-man dancing, baby oil, too.

  • DaddyRay

    I’ve been to Winter Party – am I straight?

    • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

      Yes. Now please get undressed and have some cereal. Ooooh…. it looks like boy needs to have his bottom powdered up!

      • DaddyRay

        Kinky

  • Octavio

    “fun care free mud and cake ‘n stuff . . . budding up of masculinity . . . everyone is together and undressed . . . skinny dipping into a pool . . . . that’s what boys do, they have fun together . . . carefree . . . real fun environment, fun atmosphere . . . men are blindfolded and given a silky cloth . . . it’s really interesting and really cool . . . dancing with it . . . lay down with the cloth and play like its a woman . . . then they are taken to an open space in the woods, blindfolded and asked to take off their clothes . . . men can feel very one with Earth . . . ”

    Sorry. I don’t want their cake.

    • Harley

      Or the kool-aid.

  • KQCA

    I get the sense he has human heads in his refrigerator.

  • James

    This is simultaneously homoerotic, totally unerotic, funny, and deeply disturbing. The twisted ideas it reflects about what it is to be “adult,” “male,” “manly,” “gay” and “straight” alone are jaw-dropping.

  • Mark

    On the initial viewing – I guess I did sorta laugh at the antics they did. But about 4 seconds after it ends…..

    Where’s the part where they must explain why they don’t want to be homosexual? And I wonder how many were forced into these concentration camps against their own will? And how in the hell did something like this even get permitted or licensed in the U.S.? Who the fuck to these people hope to be by telling these ‘kids’ their innate sexual preference is wrong! AND can be “corrected”??

    And yes, I DESPISE religion.

  • noni

    Whatever powders your bottom.

  • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

    I just realized where I’ve seen this before…ice cream, mattresses, boys, dancing….it’s in there

    https://youtu.be/WZ5Px_tR3uo?t=1m24s

    • gaymex

      I’m saving that.

  • JustSayin

    Who knew that a JONAH conversion played out a lot like Lazy Bear Weekend.

  • Dan

    Didn’t Corbin Fisher shoot a video where the models go out to a cabin and do all these activities?

    • GunnaHurt

      I think it was Fratmen, but yes.

      • Harley

        Or a weekend at Donald Burns house.

  • Ronald Reagan is Dead!

    I am definitely not going to turn Straight being in a room full of dancing naked men especially if they are cute. I might turn into a slut but not straight.

    • People4Humanity

      You might turn straight into a slut?

  • pleasebereasonable

    So then……getting hard makes you straight?

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    So that’s what a self-denying, self-loathing, delusional liar looks like…..a shame really, he’s kinda cute…..in gay geek sort of way.

    • Daniel

      Reminds me of that kid at the Young Conservateeves of Amairca convention (or whatever it was) some years back who thought he was coming off as earnest when he prattled in a bright pink voice on camera about how all people experience…certain…thoughts and…desires that it’s perfectly natural for them not to…necessarily…y’know…act on…if doing so would be…y’know…against their values…right? I mean…right?

  • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

    I sent my buddy a link to this story and he just texted me this pic….

    http://s5.postimg.org/lxcc4nizr/bathtub_cereal.jpg

    • Cuberly

      Oh my…….

    • It makes you wonder, who keeps that many gallons of milk around on the off chance they’ll have a photo op?

  • Andrea_Rae

    holy fucked up Batman!!

  • Steverino

    The dozens of purses falling out of that boy’s mouth is proof positive that this is a total grifter’s wet-dream scam.

    • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

      Sad part is he’s cute, seems educated and engaging. He probably wouldn’t be a bad date. Except for the self loathing homosexual part.

  • DaveMiller135

    Stop. You had me at “naked wild party.”

  • Jeffrey

    Sounds like any weekend in Palm Springs.

  • Fyva Prold
    • Be aware that some of the questions are coming from the defense attorney Chuck LiMandri and some are from plaintiffs’ attorney Sam Wolfe (SPLC). When reading the transcript, It can be a little difficult to tell where the transitions are because of the disjointed nature of the video excerpts. I intend to annotate the transcript eventually, but just haven’t had time.

      • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

        That’s the biggest load of shit that I’ve read in quite some time. First, he is clearly lying. He remembers the processes quite well, but when pressed for details, he doesn’t recall. They don’t use labels hetero, homo, bi, etc. They exist on a spectrum with hetero at one end and homo at the other. The purpose of these processes is to allow them to express same sex attractions with cuddling and touch but resist the urge to have a sexual release. Here’s the key, they equate being gay with a sexual act. Wherein, we as healthy people, equate gay as part of who are we. They define healthy touch as cuddling, either clothed or unclothed, with an erection or not, with another man. A slip up is when a joint, sexual release occurs. They focus on parts of the male body as male power symbols, the pecs, the penis and learn to view them as sources of power, not sources of attraction. The deposition should have covered where all this sexual energy goes. Again, they are on a spectrum, so cuddling and nurturing with another man is OK. It’s not gay. A sexual release, thus would be gay, ergo bad. He defines his slip up as viewing gay porn. It’s curious, he doesn’t use labels for his position on the sexual spectrum, but “gay” porn is labeled and it’s bad. He says it’s OK to recognize that a man is handsome, but not OK to desire a sexual release. These men are being conditioned to feel shame for desiring or having a sexual release with another man, whereas cuddling or nurturing with another man is OK. That’s the purpose of the constant nudity. It’s a desensitization. They are simply substituting sexual behavior with men for non sexual behavior with men. That’s why he meets his “friends” and cuddle and sleep together. In fact, I would believe it’s an integral part of the process. It’s like being on a diet and having celery and carrots available to quell your craving for doughnuts. I would have asked about masturbation and fantasy. The question was touched on when he was asked if he ever fantasized about sex with men while having sex with women. I assume masturbation, while not an official part of the process, must be integral to releasing the pent up sexual energy. I can’t imagine this guy can walk between to subway stops without having to stop and masturbate. They never explain what to do when the feelings or desires surface. I wonder what tools they are given to deal with that other than repression? At least a person in AA could visit a meeting, or call a sponsor. What do these men do? Call a friend for an emergency session of cuddling? He mentioned they aren’t “electrically shocked” when viewing gay porn as a way to repress the urge, but in a way they are. They are self shocking with shame. It’s really a very insipid and twisted way of destroying someone’s psyche.

        • “I would have asked about masturbation and fantasy.”

          This may have been discussed more thoroughly in his deposition. Without having access to the entire depo (much of which is still under a protective order) it’s not possible for us to know.

          And, yes, your assessment of what’s going on here is spot on.

  • seththayer

    ummmm…what???? This isn’t parody?

  • DoISoundExGay?

    Is this a trailer for the documentary “Do I Sound Gay?”?

  • Robin

    Sounds like a great summer camp to relax and de- stress… Sign me up!

  • jawnbc

    he’s cute. I’d nurture the fuck out of him.

    • KQCA

      lol… you can bet the job has already been done. He’s got shit jacked up into his brain.

  • Robert

    BAHAHAHAHA, “and they found kid cereal, TRIX…”…was that served at the Chelsea Piers darling?…shadyyyyyyyy…sounds like a fetish party

  • furyatx

    Indeed still totally gay!

  • BudClark

    Sounds like Courage (RC “ex-gay” ministry headed by Scalia’s priest son Paul) with their sports camps. Sweaty, naked teenagers jammed into gang showers.

    OH, YEAH!

    Plot for a Bel Ami porn flick.

  • Michael Rush

    jeopardy : alex i’ll try ” things that didn’t take ” for 500

  • IamM

    Orgy-themed Circuit parties make you strait?

  • 2karmanot

    Oh please…………………

  • KQCA

    Reminds me of my adventurous early summer vacation long ago, when I took a solo journey to Guerneville, California. Aaaah….sweet, sexy memories in the beauty of wine country.