Tweet Of The Day – Panti Bliss

The polls close in 90 minutes.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Could not have been a more perfect campaign for equality.
    PS: Any exit poll data yet?

    • another_steve

      Didn’t see your comment prior to my asking the same question, DV. 😉

      Here in the States, the networks would already be predicting the results.

  • AW

    I feel like there was a lot of support for this. But I worry that it’s another California… just hope and fear is what I have but I wish Ireland the best. And though it doesn’t really have much impact on my life, I wish my Irish brothers, sisters and the spectrum the very best of luck. It was hard fought and they deserve to win.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Reports of a high turnout likely to favor the ‘Yes’ side.

      With the once mighty Catholic Church’s influence ravaged by child abuse scandals, opinion polls indicated the proposal would pass by as much as two-to-one, making Ireland the first country to adopt same-sex marriage via a popular vote.

      Link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/22/us-ireland-gaymarriage-idUSKBN0O717R20150522

    • Daithi in SF

      This won’t be Prop 8. This will be an historic win. While I could not make it home, so many friends are involved and are now predicting a big win. Huge day for equality.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        Awesome! I am very optimistic and encouraged. I know some are worried, but the turnout has been really, really high; which means young people are out and voting!

      • AW

        Thanks for the update! Certainly a good day if true!

    • matthewrettenmund

      It’s not comparable to CA because with CA, the problem was not taking the issue seriously, thinking it was a done deal.

      • Six Pins Delores

        The problem was apathy of the general population and TAX FREE churches getting their minions out to vote upon civil rights of other citizens.

        • Steverino

          And the “this will be taught in the public schools / oh, won’t somebody PUH-LEEAZE think of the children?” code for pedophilia / recruiting of children, bullshit propaganda. So many people ended up voting against this nonsense, rather than vote for marriage equality.

          • Six Pins Delores

            It is annoying and worrisome that textbooks for children in the public school system are mostly distributed throughout the U.S. from Texas.

          • txscotty39

            and I can’t think of anything much scarier than that bit of info.

      • Pete N SFO

        As someone that actively worked on the campaign, I have to disagree. We were up against an unholy alliance between Mormon & Catholic churches. In a ballot box, people voted their bigotry.

        • Octavio

          I fear the mormons have also figured out there is a buck to be made off of us gehys. That’s one thing that really turns their heads: money.

          • gaymex

            I was in the immigration office in Merida last week when a gaggle of mormon missionaries swept in to renew their propaganda permission paperwork. Lots of magic underwear, giggling, hugging and kissing as each new member entered the office. As a gay friend said: “We’d be arrested if we carried on like that in public.” I’ve usually only seen them riding around on their bicycles with those insane white shirts and ties in 100 plus heat, so it was a surprise to find myself in a roomful of gay-hating, scripture quoting little girls before their big adventure spreading their crap all over the Yucatan.

          • RoFaWh

            Momomissionaries endlessly amuse me.

            Amusement #1: those little name tags they wear saying “Elder so-and-so”. The missionaries are generally around twenty years old. Do they not know the meaning of “elder” outside momospeak? (Answer: yes and no.)

            Amusement #2: the white shirt and tie the momo authorities insist the male momomissionaries wear. The momo authorities apparently think that this induces feelings of respect. In reality, these days anyone wearing a white shirt and tie is identified as The Man, and fear is the primary reaction.

            Amusement #3 (a few years ago): working in my garden in front of the house, wearing only a pair of shorts, tattoos and tit rings flapping in the breeze, when two female momomissonaries come down my driveway wearing their synthetic smiles. I told them to “go peddle your lies somewhere else”. End of smiles and hasty retreat promptly followed.

            Amusement #4: the frequency of reports that momomalemissionaries can be had and often have been.

            Momoism isn’t sinister like the scieno cult; it’s just amusing. Too bad it isn’t universally seen as the joke it is. Joe Smith must be laughing his ass off on Kolob.

          • Octavio

            If I were you I’d go to a doctor and get a prophylactic shot so you don’t come down with a case of mormonitis. 🙂

      • Ninja0980

        Indeed, that was the biggest factor.
        The people running the show simply didn’t expect to lose and thus didn’t take steps they should have.

    • Bruno

      In California, the most any poll showed was 55% a few months before the vote. It was always going to be close. If the Ireland vote goes against, when most polls are showing huge margins just days before the elections, it would be a shock indeed. But we’re all worried about that happening.

  • Leo

    Asked one friend from Dublin from my study abroad years ago and he said he thought it might be close. Idk…I’m nervous.

    • ChrisMorley

      chill, the bookies know it’ll be yes

      • The Odds

        Only trust gay bookies though.

        • ChrisMorley

          Irish bookies employ LGBT pundits.

      • Six Pins Delores

        That is hopeful!

      • RoverSerton

        Never bet against the wiseguys unless you really know something.

  • Toasterlad

    Cautiously optimistic.

  • another_steve

    Is there “exit polling” in Ireland?

    • BobSF_94117

      Their election laws seem pretty sensible, so probably no.

  • TK

    Looking from the outside, here across the pond, I can’t imagine that there is more they could have done. The YES! campaign was completely on message. Their commercials were fantastic and honest. Their spokespeople were intelligent and focused. It was refreshing to see such a massive campaign go so well. We’re all hoping for the best and correct outcome.

    Raise your glass, Ireland! I’ll raise one with you!
    https://38.media.tumblr.com/b38666fe18a651c629984706177def67/tumblr_mwtzrzMwkg1rh4mwfo1_500.gif

    • Daithi in SF

      There is a lot of anecdotal evidence that older no voters are not voting or abstaining rather than go against their children. This will be a big post election story

      • As someone whose parents both voted to enshrine the marriage ban into the Texas Constitution, knowing I am gay, I relish the announcement by SCOTUS overturning these hateful laws and throwing water in their anger flushed faces.

        • TampaDink

          I’m sorry to learn that your folks did that. My mom had left FL before marriage equality was voted on, I’m hoping that she’d have voted in opposition to the ban.

          • When the lone lesbian couple married in Austin a couple months ago he had a shit fit. I have all the paperwork in order so if he strokes out on me in June, all is taken care of. As in, *I* am taken care of.

          • TampaDink

            Hopefully, as his gay son, you’ll be the one to determine whether a 4th or 5th rate nursing home is where he’ll spend his final days.

          • I have all the legal powers all set up and already have control over everything. And there is no nursing home in his future. Told him that when he died he was to just go to bed some evening and I was to wake up and find him dead — “none of that lingering around shit like mom.” I laughed, he laughed… nervously.

          • TampaDink

            Glad that your sense of duty & honor are greater than the sense of respect shown to you.

        • rextrek1

          yikes….I couldn’t even Imagine my folks doing that to me…….and I also, have a gay sister……2 of us outa’ 8 children…..so, sorry to hear your parents would do that to you….

          • pierre denerome

            What about me? I also have a gay sister
            …2 of us outa’ 8 children. My husband is
            …3 outa’ 6 children.
            Real French-Canadian Catholic Family
            value. Oy Vey.

          • RoFaWh

            Here, have a Montreal smoked meat sandwich.

            PS: Thank gawd for Quebec. Without Quebec, Canada would be a much duller country, in many ways.

          • Six Pins Delores

            Dull!? Honey it would be the 51st and largest State in our exceptional Union.

        • Wynter Marie Starr

          Wow. I’m helping to raise a young gay relative. I would go to the mat for him. I will stand in front of him, beside him and at his back. I became an ally a little over a decade ago and a fierce vocal ally when my family situation happened. I can’t even imagine how this makes you feel. (other than the anger part)

          I’m so sorry. Sending you mommy hugs.

    • TK
      • David Walker

        Thanks. I love the sharing here on JMG.

  • Gustav2

    “Sláinte chugat!”

  • bambinoitaliano

    It’s almost 9 pm over there? When will the result be out?

    • Gustav2

      Tomorrow, paper ballots. The count takes time.

      • ChrisMorley

        Two counts; presidential age vote too.

      • RoFaWh

        Canada uses paper ballots, too.

        Much more difficult to cook election results with paper.

    • ChrisMorley

      The count doesn’t start until Saturday morning.
      It’s is now 9.05pm, 55 minutes till closing.

      • bambinoitaliano

        Hopefully I wake up to good news tomorrow. Between this and SCOTUS, I’m just nervous for everyone involve.

  • LonelyLiberal

    When will results start coming in, or are we not going to find out until their Saturday, our extremely early Saturday?

    • ChrisMorley

      The final result should be known sometime on Saturday afternoon (Irish / British Summertime GMT +1 hr) from the official site which will post the result from each constituency as they are confirmed http://www.referendum.ie/

      Irish Times will maintain a Live Blog as the results come in from the count which starts on Saturday morning. http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/referendum-counts-coverage-on-irishtimes-com-1.2222197

      • TampaDink

        Thanks for those links. We’re keeping our fingers crossed for our Irish brothers & sisters.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Same here. Keeping our weeners crossed.

          • TampaDink

            That sounds like much more fun.

  • bkmn

    Panti’s attitude reminds me of when we were fighting the Minnesota GOP lead anti-marriage equality amendment. We had done our best and all you can do is hope for is the best. In the end we prevailed and I hope for the same result for Ireland.

    • HoneyBoySmith

      Panti’s attitude reminds me of when we were fighting the Minnesota GOP lead anti-marriage equality amendment.

      Remembering that sweet moment of victory from 2012 still brings tears to my eyes.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQZxF_roWyk

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        That magic moment at the 3:00 mark took my breath away. Again.

  • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

    At the end of the day, no matter what the outcome, there is nothing like the quiet personal satisfaction of knowing you could *not* have done more.

  • SoCalVet

    I’m just hanging on waiting for the results…I can’t do anything until I know. I love Panti, can’t wait to visit her bar, and hope for the best for Ireland.

    • IamM

      I know the feeling. There may be projections from exit polls tonight, but I believe the actual counting starts tomorrow morning.

  • LonelyLiberal

    Anybody want to make gentlemen’s bets on the outcome whilst we wait?

    I’ll start with Yes: 54%.

    • Sam_Handwich

      yes 65%

    • Bruno

      Yes: 58%.

    • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

      So do we win a gentleman if we’re right?

      • RoFaWh

        Be careful; you might get what you want. Like, for example, me: well over the hill, and big enough for two. That’s waist size I’m speaking of, btw. And definitely not a gentleman.

    • brian

      Yes, will be around 70%. A guy can dream after all.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Sam_Handwich
      • Philly Mike

        How wonderful! That made me tear up.

        • TampaDink

          Me too….then again, my Irish ancestry seems to have a requirement that I get misty over nearly everything.

          • Six Pins Delores

            Sláinte & JeeZuzz, toss a whiskey and chase that awayTD

      • People4Humanity

        How pretty.

  • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

    Of course I hope yes wins. But the conservative argument in the states are “let the people decide”. An affirmative in Ireland would play right into that narrative. Now , like all of you, I feel that our human rights should NEVER be up for a vote.. We have a Supreme Court that’s not dealing with a full deck. An Irish win could spell trouble at home. Justice Kennedy would LOVE to think the states can do this on their own.

    • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

      I wonder… Kennedy especially loves international influences, and definitely considers international consensus. ‘Civilized’ international consensus, however, is not that marriage equality should be decided by popular vote (after all, look at the legislative passages in France and England), but that marriage equality should be the law of the land. In the eyes of the international community, for Kennedy not to rule in favor of gay rights would not be looked upon favorably by anyone except the outright brutes of the world.

    • Bruno

      If he thinks the states should do it on their own, then he shouldn’t have (presumably) voted to deny cert on previous cases that removed state bans, and (presumably) voted to deny motions to issue a stay on lower court rulings that had the same effect. He’d make the court, rightly, look like complete imbeciles.

      • Ninja0980

        Kennedy didn’t let the states do it on their own when it came to sodomy laws or capital punishment for people under the age of 18 or prison overcrowding.
        I fully expect him to take that same tact here.

    • IamM

      It’s different situations.

      Ireland’s ban is part of their constitution and it requires a referendum to amend it. There’s little their courts or the legislature alone could do without that.

      The state bans on marriage equality in the U.S. violate several civil rights protections, starting with freedom of religion, that are guaranteed to everyone by the Federal constitution and SCOTUS can and should slap swat them down on like 87 different grounds.

  • Ninja0980

    Keeping the fingers crossed.

  • MaryOGrady

    Slainte, Ireland! Make the bishops hysterical!

  • Queequeg

    Any indication of how the vote is going? Exit polls, maybe?

    • James

      Counting starts Saturday at 9am. The marriage referendum ballots will be counted first. First results will be out mid-morning, final result by early afternoon.

      • DaddyRay

        Thank you James – I am keeping my fingers, toes, legs crossed. I would cross my eyes but it would give me a nasty headache.

      • Queequeg

        I’ll check JMG as soon as I get up. The votes should be counted by then.

  • James

    I love Rory/Panti. What a fantastic person/activist/role model. I’m awaiting the result with cautious optimism.

  • The great success story of my day was that my young, trans and very queer friend managed to convince his lovely but very very Born-Again mother to abstain from the vote on the grounds that she should render unto Caesar.

    I’m sure the entire campaign was fought on a thousand points of light.