Tweet Of The Day – Big Gay Ice Cream

Big Gay Ice Cream has two Manhattan locations, one in Philadelphia, and one about to open in Los Angeles.

  • David Walker

    Smart-ass kid. Love it.

    • Todd20036

      The kids are all right.

      • I went to a conference on Monday at which about four dozen or so students had submitted poster presentations of their work. Some were pretty standard but at least a quarter of them were serious and successful efforts to address problems in their own community. To say I was impressed would be an understatement. In awe would be more accurate.

    • Brilliant. And ballsy!

  • The Amendment That Dare Not Speak Its Name?

  • Todd20036

    But the tea baggers keep claiming the First Amendment gives them the right to discriminate against us.
    Gee, I wish I weren’t gay, then I’d be a full citizen of the US, too.

    • Doug105

      And least we forget the right to wear NRA shirts.

      • medaka

        and carry “semi” automatic weapons into Chipotles

  • NEPA78

    The Supreme Court has ruled a few times that the free-speech rights of students in a public school are limited. As a gay man and high school teacher, I completely agree with those rulings. Some things just aren’t appropriate in an educational setting, especially if they will disrupt the learning experience. This cuts both ways: banning a confederate flag t-shirt and banning a gay ice cream t shirt. My school is very careful to enforce the rule both ways.

    • Gustav2

      That was my first thought. An over careful “cause no ruckus.”

    • TommyTune

      So who gets to decide what’s appropriate and what’s not? The school principal? That seems rather arbitrary for something so subjective in nature.

    • BobSF_94117

      When you say they’re limited, they are, but only just a little bit. The federal courts have been expanding free speech for students for decades and it’s accelerating these days, led by the right.

    • RJ Tremor

      Sadly, I can see confederate flags being a-okay in plenty of places, just as much as I can see that Big Gay ice cream being just fine in other places. It all depends on the surroundings.

    • i still struggle with the idea of clothing being “disruptive.” in my day, we wore all sorts of “disruptive” (by today’s definitions) clothing… black leather, punk band T shirts, chains, pins, ‘offensive’ buttons, ethnic flags and banners. i even went to a fancy private school with a dress code, which we pushed at every opportunity.

      the only people who ever seem “disrupted” by teen clothing choices seem to be parents who disagree with whatever someone else’s teen is wearing. and the poor teachers who have to placate them.

      • marshlc

        Yes, times are a lot milder, aren’t they? Clothes I wore, things I did, in high school in the 70s without anyone raising an eyebrow are national news these days.

        • RoFaWh

          Cripey, that’s nothing. Back in the fifties when I was in junior high school, at least once one of the boys got de-pantsed and pushed into the girls’ restroom.

          AFAIK, no fallout ensued.

          • teedofftaxpayer

            And you had to wear pants because jeans were for hoods.

        • Jafafa Hots

          Times are not milder. Times are harsher. Oppression is many times greater. There are bright spots and advances have been made, but overall society is back into 1950s conservative mode.

      • Jafafa Hots

        I agree. I had a pleather jacket that it became a school “thing” for everyone to sign, and that created a fuss, people crowding around on various days, writing on it, reading it… that could be considered disruptive… Certainly it was more disruptive than this shirt is.

        Some public schools now have not only dress codes, but school uniforms. My own nieces public school in FL (figures…) required a certain kind of shoe, a certain style of black pants, and limits on sleeve lengths, no messages on shirts, etc.

        The excuse is that it is to “make sure no students feel lesser because they can’t afford as nice clothes as their friends…” but that’s utter bullshit. It was totally Florida conservative conformity. After all, this is a community that required homeowners to paint their houses one of two choices of shades of beige, nothing else.

        I would have rebelled. My father would have backed me on it too.

        • you are not wrong that the argument “uniforms erase class distinction” is bullshit.

          at my school, we wore uniforms every day except every other friday, when we could wear casual clothes. the uniforms were made by one specific company and you had to buy them, on top of private school tuition.

          but the richer kids? well, there weren’t any rules about jewelry, or shoes (except the size of a girl’s heel), or coats, or cars…

          everyone knew who had the money, and who was a scholarship student. uniforms will never hide that. it’s stupid to think kids are that dumb and can’t perceive those kinds of differences.

          • Jafafa Hots

            And if there were no uniforms, everyone would still dress the same – jeans with holes in the knees and t-shirts, except for that jewelry, etc.

    • JW Swift

      I had the same thoughts reading this. It’s easy to forget that you’re not an adult in the eyes of the law and fully responsible for your own actions (or have full rights and responsibilities under the law) until you’re eighteen.

      Did this particular school go too far? I believe they did, yes, but it was still within their rights to do so.

      • Mark_in_MN

        On the other hand, constitutional rights are actually restrictions on government action and not meant merely for those who are “an adult in the eyes of the law” or someone who is “fully responsible for [their] own actions.”

    • RaygunsGoZap

      I actually prefer school uniforms to avoid all the bullshit false equivalence and hand ringing that goes on as well as the classist BS that comes along with fashion. If student A cant wear his Confederate shirt, then student B can’t wear a stores shirt because the word gay is in it, then students C and D can’t wear their NAACP or NABJ shirts because it could be disruptive to white students or African-American students offended by “black” or “colored”….it just goes on and on.

      Uniforms Now!

      • RoFaWh

        Again referring to my own school days, it’s not a stretch to call the chinos and shirt combos every boy wore a uniform. Not imposed by the school; it was simply the fashion of the day for boys.

        • RaygunsGoZap


      • Jafafa Hots

        Great. Conformity. Uniformity. Little robots. How wonderful.

        No thanks.

        • Mark_in_MN

          Yep. This.

    • Mark_in_MN

      Is this really any more disruptive than the black arm bands protesting the Vietnam War that the Supreme Court said were constitutionally protected?

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Arrgghh! Bigots want to ban happy ice-cream now!
    I could scream, …
    we could all scream – for BIG GAY ICE CREAM!

  • Gustav2

    Columbus here, not amazed at all. The schools are very careful about ‘speech.’

  • LDinMN

    Gay also means happy.

    • Gustav2

      There you go again, changing the meaning of…

      • medaka

        iow, redefining….happy.

  • Bluto

    No cake, no ice cream for the homos! Apparently we don’t deserve equal rights nor dessert.

  • TommyTune

    Oh please, the Big Gay Ice Cream truck has even been featured on the Food Network. The delicate sensibilities of some people who don’t ever want their beliefs challenged are getting to be a bit much.

    • Tor

      Some people just cannot say, see or hear the word “gay,” as if it had four letters.

  • bkmn

    First amendment rights for me but not for thee.

  • At every school there are a handful of kids who understand how things actually work. It’s best not to fuck with them, especially in the era of social media. The “Don’t I have 1st Amendment Rights?” sign is way better than the Big Gay Ice Cream logo! But alas, according to the courts 1st amendment rights on campus are limited. 🙁

  • BobSF_94117

    I think free speech rights for teenagers is a very silly idea, but it is the law (thanks largely to the right-wing, by the way).

    It surprises me when school administrators even try this anymore.

    • WideGapingHole

      Actually, students don’t have free speech rights in schools. There is no law that prohibits schools, even public schools, from telling students what they can and can’t wear.

      • Rillion

        Actually they do. Everyone has 1st Amendment free speech rights. The government needs different levels of justification for infringing on those rights depending on several different factors. Schools can burden students right to free speech in order to adance their educational goals. So if the school does not have a dress code that bans all messages on tshirts they would need a justification why they are censoring this message beyond not liking the message.

        • WideGapingHole

          Sooo…Everybody has free speech rights except students when the government can justify infringing on those rights depending on several different factors. That’s some qualifier. I guess I need to reread the First Amendment. I don’t remember all the loopholes. LOL.

          • Rillion

            I gave a general statement about the prevailing view of 1st Amendment jurisprudence because I’m not inclined to write a huge treatise on all the different ruless for speech that receives less protection (obsenity, fighting words, incitement, commercial speech, military, schools, prisons, etc), on my phone. But your statement that students have no free speech rights in school is flat out wrong. They do have rights, it is just those rights are less protected from government interference.

          • BobSF_94117

            Well, you should be reading some things, but I wouldn’t just stick to the one amendment if I were you.

          • WideGapingHole

            Ooh, an insult, an implication that you know something I don’t without specifying what that is and a total lack of an argument. Always a safe go-to for the ill-equipped. Nicely done.

          • BobSF_94117

            You’re welcome. Someone else tried and you just dismissed them, so I figured why bother.

    • Mark_in_MN

      Why is free speech rights for teenagers a very silly idea?

      • BobSF_94117

        Because they’re immature. I’m fine with limited free speech rights.

        • Mark_in_MN

          And, yet, I’ve certainly seen my share of adults who are less mature than a good many teenagers.

          • BobSF_94117

            Well, I’d be all for limiting their free speech rights, too. Pesky Constitution!


          • Mark_in_MN

            I don’t think the government has any business limiting any person’s free speech rights for just about any reason (while noting that a corporation isn’t a person in this sense).

          • BobSF_94117

            Well, we’ll have to agree to differ. I’m all for sending the asshat who wears a “Fags must die” t-shirt home.

          • Mark_in_MN

            That’s a direct threat and calling for the death of others. That would be one of the reasons I said “for just about any reason” rather than “for any reason” without any qualification. I just didn’t care to try to provide some exhaustive list of what might be allowed, in part because I don’t think it’s quite possible to create such a list.

          • BobSF_94117

            I picked a rather outlandish example. It wouldn’t pass constitutional muster for the reasons you mention. But the courts have been deciding some pretty ridiculous cases in favor of kids. I’d just rather teachers and principals have the right to send those kids home. Yes, I realize that sometimes cuts against us and leaves a lot of kids vulnerable to asshat teachers. The alternative is letting asshat kids rule over school authorities, and that’s just not a good idea.

          • Mark_in_MN

            Can you cite some examples of “pretty ridiculous cases” decided in favor of kids that shouldn’t have been?

            I don’t think the alternative is letting kids override school authorities. Schools can (and should) carefully craft policies that speak about behavior that effects others, such as threatening messages, harassment, and active and actual disruption of a classroom, without involving preemptive measures or content based decisions.

          • BobSF_94117

            There have been several cases of anti-gay t-shirts allowed by the courts. They’re not considered “disruptive” because the likelihood of the gay kids beating anyone up about them is near nil.

            We just disagree. I don’t think minors have the same rights as adults. They don’t for a lot of other things. And whenever the right-wing is pushing for something, I’m always, always suspicious.

  • Octavio

    I encourage Big Gay Ice Cream to donate tubs of their stuff to the school lunch brigade. No need to say who’s ice cream they are serving. Just get it served and make everyone’s day a little creamier. 🙂

    • ted-


    • gaymex

      Yep. We used to have an ice cream franchise and that’s exactly the tactic we would use to overcome this sort of issue. They could also set up a guerrilla marketing location nearby for free ice cream for the kids on their way home from school. If you do it right, the press will get the message out and the school administrators might rethink their position. Would they ban chic-fil-a shirts?

      • Octavio

        Excellent point.

  • vorpal

    I’ll just leave this video by gay rapper Cazwell here:

    • RoFaWh

      It’s a tribute to the pervasiveness of prudery in the US that the young men in that video, who should be naked and showing all, aren’t.

      Nudity is not per se obscene. As anyone who’s gone to Wreck Beach in Vancouver knows. Maybe we should buy a ticket to Vancouver for the OMM?

      Footnote: Canada has something of a reputation for being a quieter, somewhat less in-your-face country than the US, but even 40+ years ago, it wasn’t unheard of to be hiking along and run across someone sunning in a clearing, in the altogether.

    • SockMikey

      I still like this one… 🙂


  • anne marie in philly

    there is NOTHING offensive about this shirt! booooooooo to the school!

    • Paladin SF

      Student Safety and having a functional educational environment limits a students rights. I believe it was from a court case that says students cannot wear American Flag t-shirts.

      • Jafafa Hots

        Explain how this shirt makes school unsafe or would make the educational environment non-functional.

        • Paladin SF

          It may create tension between conservative students and the wearer which may turn into a violent encounter / bullying. These tensions and possible bullying may be disruptive to the educational learning enviroment.

          • Jafafa Hots

            You know what else could, besides wearing a Big Gay Ice Cream t-shirt?
            Being gay.

            Perhaps schools should prohibit expression of that fact? Or of being hetero, for that matter.

            Or of having any opinion at all. On anything. No teaching of evolution. Climate change. The age of the earth. Fossils. No sex ed. Nothing that would reflect badly on America… no history of slavery or of the genocide of native Americans.

            Those things are WAY more controversial than some innocuous t-shirt.

          • Paladin SF

            My comment only reflected the view of the 9th circuit court:

            A California school that stopped students from wearing American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo didn’t violate their constitutional rights, an appeals court ruled Thursday.

            The school’s approach, according to the appeals court, kept students safe in a climate of racial tension.

            “The controversy and tension remained,” a panel of judges from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals said in their opinion, “but the school’s actions presciently avoided an altercation.”


          • Jafafa Hots

            I see. Well, I just posted another reply, please take it as my feelings, not as a personal attack, If these are not your beliefs, then consider my remarks rhetorical and aimed at the 9th circuit court.

          • Jafafa Hots

            What kind of environment do you have when you make sure nothing in that environment could upset very conservative people?

            The answer is that you have a very conservative environment.

            The answer to school bullying is NOT to make everyone conform to ultra-conservative feelings. The answer is to punish bullies.

            You do not tell kids what not to wear to prevent them from being victimized – you punish people who victimize.

            You do not prevent rape by telling women what not to wear.

            You do not prevent racism by telling black kids to not wear cornrows or hoodies.

          • Paladin SF

            I agree with you. Unfortunately, the liberal justices feel different. My opinion is useless.

  • Chuck in PA

    When I went to school kids would wear T-shirts with pot leaves on them, etc. When I worked retail I used to wear a T-shirt for Day without Art. Nowadays many school and workplaces don’t allow words or brand labels bigger than a quarter. Not sure what this school allows?

    • Gustav2

      My last ‘office’ workplace only allowed the company’s logo on shirts, except for a small Izod, RL Polo, etc. I wore an Obama t-shirt under a dress shirt and flashed co-workers.

  • theSaint

    Big Gay needs to get their rainbow right.

    • Gustav2

      I suspect it is a printing thing. The more colors, the more costs. Multiply that by the times you use the logo and it is a chunk of money.

  • Macbill

    What’s the difference between a “Coke” branded T-shirt, and a “Gay Ice Cream” branded T-shirt? They are both trademarked brands (I presume) to their respective companies.

    • ScottJL

      “Coke” advertising drugs, “Gay Ice Cream” advertises homosexual sex.

      • Creamy, delicious homosexual sex.

        • ScottJL

          If homosexual sex produced ice cream more people might be interested in it.

  • Tipsy

    Lactose intolerance?

  • unclemike

    To be fair, courts have consistently ruled that students do not have full access to rights when on campus; e.g., admins can and do routinely search lockers and backpacks.

    That said, stop being such assholes, school!!

    • Mark_in_MN

      But the limits definitely have limits. There needs to be some legally permissible justification for the trespass on those rights.

      That said, I do think the courts have gone too far on some of these things. The “Bong hits for Jesus” case is a particularly strong example of the court going too far to limit student rights. Allowing routine locker and backpack searches without some suspicion is, in my book, another.

      • unclemike

        If a shirt advertises an illegal activity (smoking pot–in some states anyway) the school has the right to make a student change clothes. I’m a teacher and I personally have no problem with weed. And I would have no problem with my high-school aged kid wearing a Bong Hits For Jesus shirt. Outside of school.

        In school? No. Different environment. My students have been sent home for wearing Modelo Cerveza shirts. I don’t really see a difference.

        But, again, the Big Gay Ice Cream shirt is not in the same league. And the school is wrong here.

        • Mark_in_MN

          Yes, I agree the school is wrong here. The problem with the “bong hits for Jesus” case was that the student was suspended for displaying a banner across the street from the school when they were permitted out to watch an Olympic torch relay. When the student in question and friends unfurled the banner, having waited for television cameras, the principle ran across the street to seize the sign. The Roberts Court, in my opinion, erred in applying school speech presidents to the case, when the incident happened off school grounds, where school jurisdiction should not apply. John Paul Stevens noted in his dissent (joined by Souter and Ginsburg) that banner made an ambiguous statement that didn’t justify disciplining the student.

  • Mark_in_MN

    If the shirt actually causes some problem, it seems like a prime time for an educational experience about how people might have differing opinions, but we still need to be able to live together in community and respect their right to those opinions. If the shirt doesn’t actually cause some problems, then there is no reason to do anything about it.

  • According to the Big Gay Ice Cream Twitter page, this turns out to have been a hoax. But students in public schools DO have First Amendment rights!